There is almost a group paranoia in western society.
Don't mention the Islamic threat. Don't even mention it once, we won't get away with it.

There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer.
But they didn't go away did they? They damn well nearly conquered the world, with the help of Japan.

Now it's about Islam. People have lulled themselves into a soporific state of misbelief that, if only we welcome these barbarians into our culture with a smile and open arms, they will cherish the society we have invited to them.

Can someone please call for the Mass Psychiatry Service.
There are dreamers at large who present a danger to themselves and everybody about them.

The only bit of western society which has remained sane throughout all this is the tiny outpost of Israel. They know the truth.

Fear.... fear hiding behind political correctness.

Thank you comrade.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

There is almost a group paranoia in western society. Don't mention the Islamic threat. Don't even mention it once, we won't get away with it.

What threat are you talking about, Bogie?

The enemy of my enemy syndrome is probably a driving force.

Leftards who absolutely hate themselves, their culture, Jews, Christians, the west (America in particular), white society in general.

islam in its' present regressive state, makes a perfect ally for them. 

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer.

Actually you have it back to front.

People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons.

People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis.

This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

Would you care to explain then the actions and manifesto of jihadist groups and ISIS?  How does it vary from the Nazi manifesto?

It doesn't differ Grendel, in many ways its probably worse.

But congratulations on missing the point.

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Would you care to explain then the actions and manifesto of jihadist groups and ISIS?  How does it vary from the Nazi manifesto?

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bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

There is almost a group paranoia in western society. Don't mention the Islamic threat. Don't even mention it once, we won't get away with it. There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. But they didn't go away did they? They damn well nearly conquered the world, with the help of Japan. Now it's about Islam. People have lulled themselves into a soporific state of misbelief that, if only we welcome these barbarians into our culture with a smile and open arms, they will cherish the society we have invited to them. Can someone please call for the Mass Psychiatry Service. There are dreamers at large who present a danger to themselves and everybody about them. The only bit of western society which has remained sane throughout all this is the tiny outpost of Israel. They know the truth.

I'm not afraid.

Just so you know. :P

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around.
We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own.
This is defending your culture NOT persecution.

The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts.

Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for.

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bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around. We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own. This is defending your culture NOT persecution. The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts. Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for.

So, according to you, Bogarde, all the lessons learnt about how bad persecution can become, under the Nazis, under Stalinesque regimes, should just be ignored because you don't like a particular group and feel that you should be allowed to persecute them to drive them "back to their countries or origin"?

OK, what about the Muslims whom were born in Western Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/etc.?   Where do they go?   What if they refuse to go, afterall, they are citizens of those nations, they were born there, they have inherent rights as citizens.  You going to keep on persecuting them?   When will your persecution stop?  When you've "Arbeit macht Frei'ed" them?   Sent them in cattle-trucks to concentration or extermination camps?   What happens when you run out of Muslims to persecute?  You going to start on the Africans?  How about the Jews?  How about the red-heads?  How about those who open their hard-boiled eggs at the opposite end to you?

You disgust me.  You act as if you own the world but in reality, you only own your own brain.  Get out your Nazi uniform, Bogarde, it will suit you down to the ground while you drive the people you've decided you don't like onto those cattle-trucks.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 3:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around. We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own. This is defending your culture NOT persecution. The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts. Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for. So, according to you, Bogarde, all the lessons learnt about how bad persecution can become, under the Nazis, under Stalinesque regimes, should just be ignored because you don't like a particular group and feel that you should be allowed to persecute them to drive them "back to their countries or origin"? OK, what about the Muslims whom were born in Western Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/etc.?   Where do they go?   What if they refuse to go, afterall, they are citizens of those nations, they were born there, they have inherent rights as citizens.  You going to keep on persecuting them?   When will your persecution stop?  When you've "Arbeit macht Frei'ed" them?   Sent them in cattle-trucks to concentration or extermination camps?   What happens when you run out of Muslims to persecute?  You going to start on the Africans?  How about the Jews?  How about the red-heads?  How about those who open their hard-boiled eggs at the opposite end to you? You disgust me.  You act as if you own the world but in reality, you only own your own brain.  Get out your Nazi uniform, Bogarde, it will suit you down to the ground while you drive the people you've decided you don't like onto those cattle-trucks.    ::) ::)

Actually it is YOU who is disgusting "Brian".

Tell me....what did the Ottoman Muslim Turks do to Armenians and Pontian Greeks in Asia Minor?

I'm of course referring to the people who had been in their homeland for THOUSANDS of years.

Not just 1 or 2 generations.

You do realize that during your pontificating....you omitted to mention the fact that Hitler looked at what happened in these earlier genocides for ideas.

Hypocrite!

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:35pm:

Actually it is YOU who is disgusting "Brian".

Hello, Lisa.  So, how am I "disgusting"?


Quote:

Tell me....what did the Ottoman Muslim Turks do to Armenians and Pontian Greeks in Asia Minor? I'm of course referring to the people who had been in their homeland for THOUSANDS of years. Not just 1 or 2 generations. You do realize that during your pontificating....you omitted to mention the fact that Hitler looked at what happened in these earlier genocides for ideas. Hypocrite!

Nope.  Now, where have I denied the Armenian Genocide?   Can you quote me saying, "Oh, the Armenian Genocide, that never happened..."?

I look forward to your efforts.   I'll even find you some space:


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Off you go!

As for Hitler looking at earlier Genocides, that is his business, today we look at Hitler's effort at being the most horrendous and industrialised one in modern history.   I wonder if you believe persecution of Australian Muslims for the crimes that Turkish Muslims committed four generations ago is justifiable?   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 4:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 4:15pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 3:51pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around. We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own. This is defending your culture NOT persecution. The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts. Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for. So, according to you, Bogarde, all the lessons learnt about how bad persecution can become, under the Nazis, under Stalinesque regimes, should just be ignored because you don't like a particular group and feel that you should be allowed to persecute them to drive them "back to their countries or origin"? OK, what about the Muslims whom were born in Western Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/etc.?   Where do they go?   What if they refuse to go, afterall, they are citizens of those nations, they were born there, they have inherent rights as citizens.  You going to keep on persecuting them?   When will your persecution stop?  When you've "Arbeit macht Frei'ed" them?   Sent them in cattle-trucks to concentration or extermination camps?   What happens when you run out of Muslims to persecute?  You going to start on the Africans?  How about the Jews?  How about the red-heads?  How about those who open their hard-boiled eggs at the opposite end to you? You disgust me.  You act as if you own the world but in reality, you only own your own brain.  Get out your Nazi uniform, Bogarde, it will suit you down to the ground while you drive the people you've decided you don't like onto those cattle-trucks.    ::) ::) Actually it is YOU who is disgusting "Brian". Tell me....what did the Ottoman Muslim Turks do to Armenians and Pontian Greeks in Asia Minor? I'm of course referring to the people who had been in their homeland for THOUSANDS of years. Not just 1 or 2 generations. You do realize that during your pontificating....you omitted to mention the fact that Hitler looked at what happened in these earlier genocides for ideas. Hypocrite!

One last observation....you consistently and intentionally ignore large slabs of history which undermine and contradict your posts in the vain hope they'll go undetected and you'll be able to proceed wth your fallacious and ridiculous arguments.

In fact, you've done this MANY times before in the past. Mainly under your Brian nic.

It leaves one wondering why you would stoop so low as to prostitute the historical record of genocide with your incessant nonsense.

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One last observation....you consistently and intentionally ignore large slabs of history which undermine and contradict your posts in the vain hope they'll go undetected and you'll be able to proceed wth your fallacious and ridiculous arguments. In fact, you've done this MANY times before in the past. Mainly under your Brian nic. It leaves one wondering why you would stoop so low as to prostitute the historical record of genocide with your incessant nonsense.

Pfft.

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bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

There is almost a group paranoia in western society. Don't mention the Islamic threat. Don't even mention it once, we won't get away with it. ......People have lulled themselves into a soporific state of misbelief that, if only we welcome these barbarians into our culture with a smile and open arms, they will cherish the society we have invited to them. Can someone please call for the Mass Psychiatry Service. There are dreamers at large who present a danger to themselves and everybody about them.

'Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger?'

That is easy bogarde.



The West, circa 2017, is a 'fat country'.

And those who live in this 'fat country' have come to feel that they are comfortable and safe.

That nothing could ever assail them.

But that belief/confidence is an illusion.



"Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day."



We are all men and women.

And we all compelled to travel this 'journey' here,       .....to live in the world.

And most of us, are [become the] creatures of this world.

We learn to hate sacrifice [to experience loss].

And, we love what the spirits of this world offer to us.

This is SATAN's domain.

SATAN has power here.



Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


Matthew 6:19
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20  But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21  For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23  But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!






If what i have said above is true....

If we are indeed, 'strangers' here,       ...if we are, 'strangers in a strange land', then what does the LORD of [the] hosts require of us ?


Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?


Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48  Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.


Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.





John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.


John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.


John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



.



Psalms 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2  He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3  He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4  Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5  Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6  Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.





bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

The only bit of western society which has remained sane throughout all this is the tiny outpost of Israel. They know the truth.

Despite the threats which Israel faces, Israel is thriving and secure, blessed.

Why is that ?

:)



Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....


Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.


Numbers 22:12
And God said unto Balaam..... thou shalt not curse the people: for they are blessed.




We have made choices.

We have all chosen.

And now, the 'concrete' has set.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

Hitler had a Bosnian muslim SS division, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNzTL4zu5Xg

The muslims and Nazis are aligned in their hatred of the Yahud (Jews).The muslims have more in common with the Nazis than they do with westerners.

The Bosnian muslims are fairly hardcore, how can criticism of muslims be racist when Bosnian muslims are white?

The Bosnian Jihad Nasheed video has English subtitles so people like little pecca- John Smith and Brian can understand what they are so keen to defend and why we call them morally bankrupt leftards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0G7zmbfIh0

Lots of Jihad Nasheed videos on youtube, are you going to tell us they're not doing Islam properly?

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

One last observation....you consistently and intentionally ignore large slabs of history which undermine and contradict your posts in the vain hope they'll go undetected and you'll be able to proceed wth your fallacious and ridiculous arguments. In fact, you've done this MANY times before in the past. Mainly under your Brian nic. It leaves one wondering why you would stoop so low as to prostitute the historical record of genocide with your incessant nonsense.

You have evidence that I have knowingly done this, Lisa?

Why have you failed - consistently I must note - provided evidence of this?

You are all huff and puff, it would appear.  You present no evidence, you use innuendo, you attempt to bluster your way out of your predicament.

Either put your evidence before us or piss off.     ::) ::)

@ gandalf......


bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts. Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for.

You got it ! bogarde

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. Hitler had a Bosnian muslim SS division, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNzTL4zu5Xg The muslims and Nazis are aligned in their hatred of the Yahud (Jews).The muslims have more in common with the Nazis than they do with westerners. The Bosnian muslims are fairly hardcore, how can criticism of muslims be racist when Bosnian muslims are white? The Bosnian Jihad Nasheed video has English subtitles so people like little pecca- John Smith and Brian can understand what they are so keen to defend and why we call them morally bankrupt leftards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0G7zmbfIh0 Lots of Jihad Nasheed videos on youtube, are you going to tell us they're not doing Islam properly?

I wonder if the resident apologists like Aussie-Brian-Little Pecca or John Smith have anything to say about the Bosnian Jihad Nasheed video I posted. 8-)

Yadda:  John, 11 35.

So much for your "Christianity".  I find it interesting that you're the only "Christian" in this forum, who continually quotes The Old Testament.   Funny that...    ::) ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

The difference is that Islam is far closer to Nazism.


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So much for your "Christianity".  I find it interesting that you're the only "Christian" in this forum, who continually quotes The Old Testament.   Funny that...

You often try to characterise Christianity by the old testament. You are certainly loathe to acknowledge any difference most of the time.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

It doesn't differ Grendel, in many ways its probably worse. But congratulations on missing the point.

Didn't miss the point....  it was irrelevant.

That was my point...  did you miss that? ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 5:20pm:

Yadda:  John, 11 35. So much for your "Christianity".  I find it interesting that you're the only "Christian" in this forum, who continually quotes The Old Testament. Funny that...

Yes, it is hilarious.              :)



Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2017 at 7:57pm:

You really are a bigot who has lost sight of his supposed Christian values, haven't you?    ::)

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.




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Matthew 15:7
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.     [Isaiah 29:13]



Google;
jesus quoted old testament



Matthew:
4:4       Deut 8:3 (Luke 4:4)
4:7       Deut 6:16 (Luke 4:12)
4:10     Duet 6:13 (Luke 4:8)
5:21     Exodus 20:13
5:27     Exodus 20:14
5:31     Deut 24:1
5:38     Exodus 21:24, Lev 24:20, Deut 19:21
5:43     Lev 19:18
9:13     Hosea 6:6
10:36   Micah 7:6
11:10   Mal 3:1 (Luke 7:27)
12:7     Hosea 6:6
13:15   Isaiah 6:9-10 (Mark 4:12) (Luke 8:10 v9)
15:4     Exodus 20:12, Deut 5:16 (Mark 7:10)
15:4     Exodus 21:17, Lev 20:9 (Mark 7:10)
15:9     Isaiah 29:13 (Mark 7:7)
18:16   Deut 19:15
19:4     Gen 1:27 (Mark 10:6)
19:5     Gen 2:24 (Mark 10:8)
19:19   Exodus 20:12-16, Deut 5:16-20 (Mark 10:19) (Luke 18:20)
21:13   Isaiah 56:7 (Mark 11:17) (Luke 19:46)
21:13   Jer 7:11 (Mark 11:17) (Luke 19:46)
21:16   Psalm 8:2
22:42   Psalm 118:22-23 (Mark 12:11) (Luke 20:17)
22:32   Exodus 3:6 (Mark 12:26) (Luke 20:37)
22:37   Deut 6:5 (v 4-5 Mark)  (Mark 12:30)
22:39:  Lev 19:18 (Mark 12:31)
22:44   Psalm 110:1 (Mark 12:36) (Luke 20:43)
23:39   Psalm 118:26 (Luke 13:35)
24:15   Daniel 9:27, 11:31, 12:11 (Mark 13:14)
24:29   Isaiah 13:10, 34:4 (Mark 13:24)
26:31   Zech 13:7 (Mark 14:27)
27:46   Psalm 22:1 (Mark 15:34)

Mark:
9:48     Isaiah 66:24

Luke:
4:18-19 Isaiah 61:1-2
22:37    Isaiah 53:12
23:30   Hosea 10:8

John:
6:45     Isaiah 54:13
10:34   Psalm 82:6
13:18   Psalm 41:9
15:25   Psalm 35:19

Revelation:
2:27     Psalm 2:9


https://www.redletterchristians.org/when-jesus-quoted-the-ot-and-why-it-matters/




Jesus was a Jewish man, and a Torah [law] teacher.

"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."
Matthew 19:16-19


Jesus was a Torah observant Jewish man.

Q.
And who were Jesus' intended audience ?

Was it the whole world, the gentiles [aka 'heathens'] ?

No.



Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[n.b......later, Paul was commissioned by the risen Christ [Acts 9], to proclaim the gospel of repentance and redemption, to the gentiles.]

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

I'm not afraid. Just so you know. :P

Nor was Jill Meagher when she set off home by her own.

The problem with Islam is that it has an enemy - and that enemy is us.

Yadda:  John, 11 35.

You appear to have forgotten the meaning of Christ's message, Yadda in studying his words so hard.

Remember what Jesus supposedly said about "love thy enemies"? 


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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 5:44

Where is your love for thy enemies, Yadda?  All you preach is hatred.  You are truly an Old Testament Christian, aren't you?   Tsk, tsk...   ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 7:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 3:48pm: I'm not afraid. Just so you know. :P Nor was Jill Meagher when she set off home by her own. The problem with Islam is that it has an enemy - and that enemy is us.

ISLAM has an enemy - and that enemy is everyone who is not a moslem.



Google;
divisions of the world, according to islam


Google;
ISLAM divides the world, into the House of Islam and the House of War



ISLAMIC 'religious' doctrine, divides the world into two distinct camps.


DIVISIONS OF THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO ISLAM,

Dar al-Islam = = the house of Islam, the house of Peace [those places where Sharia has authority].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Islam

Dar al-Harb = = "house of war", those countries where Sharia does not rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Harb



Dar al-Harb = = the "house of war"

Dar al-Harb = = every enemy land, a land where Sharia law is rejected.

The moslem who is living in Australia, regards EVERY disbeliever [i.e. every Australian] as a 'Harbi'.

And what is a 'Harbi' ?



Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war", a non-moslem, WHO DOES NOT LIVE UNDER MOSLEM RULE.

".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi


A Harbi, is an enemy of Allah.


n.b.
".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."


Google,
"A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."





"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

Yadda:  John, 11 35. You appear to have forgotten the meaning of Christ's message, Yadda in studying his words so hard. Remember what Jesus supposedly said about "love thy enemies"?  Quote: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44 Where is your love for thy enemies, Yadda? All you preach is hatred.  You are truly an Old Testament Christian, aren't you?   Tsk, tsk...   ::)

I know how to forgive.

And i know that God will judge me, for all of my choices.





Brian,

Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4  For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.



Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
....
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


In Matthew 15, and Matthew 19, was Jesus saying that the righteous should obey God's law ?

Or, did Jesus promote; Forgive murder and lawlessness, in the unrepentant ?



Is your argument, that this is 'done away' in Christ ?

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Torah;

"....the murderer shall surely be put to death."

Yadda wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:11pm: Yadda:  John, 11 35. You appear to have forgotten the meaning of Christ's message, Yadda in studying his words so hard. Remember what Jesus supposedly said about "love thy enemies"?  Quote: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44 Where is your love for thy enemies, Yadda? All you preach is hatred.  You are truly an Old Testament Christian, aren't you?   Tsk, tsk...   ::) I know how to forgive. And i know that God will judge me, for all of my choices.

And how does God judge those that knowingly forsake his teachings, Yadda?  Tsk, tsk.  We all know where you're headed and it's not to Heaven...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 7:11pm: Yadda:  John, 11 35. You appear to have forgotten the meaning of Christ's message, Yadda in studying his words so hard. Remember what Jesus supposedly said about "love thy enemies"?  Quote: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44 Where is your love for thy enemies, Yadda? All you preach is hatred.  You are truly an Old Testament Christian, aren't you?   Tsk, tsk...   ::) I know how to forgive. And i know that God will judge me, for all of my choices. And how does God judge those that knowingly forsake his teachings, Yadda?  Tsk, tsk. We all know where you're headed and it's not to Heaven...   ::)

If my God, my creator, hates me, then you are correct.




I trust in God.

If i am found to be unworthy to live in his presence, i cannot fault him.


Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


1 Chronicles 28:9
........for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts.....



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1214199336/431#431

Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world.

The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam.

The compulsion to suppress contrary opinions and freedom of speech generally. We have seen that in his threats in thus forum.

The persistent lies about people who dare to speak out against Islamic invasion.

These people are dangerous and the sooner the western world comes to its senses on this issue the sooner they will be able to effectively protect themselves.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 5:05am:

Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world. The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam. The compulsion to suppress contrary opinions and freedom of speech generally. We have seen that in his threats in thus forum. The persistent lies about people who dare to speak out against Islamic invasion. These people are dangerous and the sooner the western world comes to its senses on this issue the sooner they will be able to effectively protect themselves.

Well . . . by pretending there is no problem, it is solved.

issuevoter wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:46am:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 5:05am: Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world. The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam. The compulsion to suppress contrary opinions and freedom of speech generally. We have seen that in his threats in thus forum. The persistent lies about people who dare to speak out against Islamic invasion. These people are dangerous and the sooner the western world comes to its senses on this issue the sooner they will be able to effectively protect themselves. Well . . . by pretending there is no problem, it is solved.

ARGUMENT;

The West, Western culture, circa 2017,       is particularly good at ignorance and apathy ["I don't know, and i don't care."].

And also, so is every immoral individual.



Dictionary;
moral = =
1 concerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour and the goodness or badness of human character.
2 adhering to the code of behaviour that is considered right or acceptable.



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IMO, there is probably nothing more unethical in the world today, than the 'humanist' worldview, and those who promote so called liberal 'ethics'. IMO, this generation of mankind has lost the ability to discern between good and evil. ...... Humanist, and liberal ethics.... Today, our children are taught,      that it is wrong to try to 'discriminate' between good and evil, and to reject what is evil. Today, they and we, are taught that, essentially, good and evil do not exist.

- cited......http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1434160480/1#1





"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;...."


"....in the last days perilous times shall come.......For men shall be lovers of their own selves......lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;"



Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


We have all been given a conscience, to know....

.....spiritual 'things'.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around. We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own. This is defending your culture NOT persecution.

Define "as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries" boges.

What about people like me who were born here? What does "origin countries" mean?

You may genuinely feel you are not interested in persecution, but at the very best you are being naive to think that mass deportations of people who have done nothing wrong is not persecution.

You are also either extremely naive or have selective vision if you insist there are no sinister overtones in the attacks on the muslim communities. The man you spend most of your time worshipping openly canvassed the idea of a 'muslim register'  - which I'm sure the parrallels that has with 1930s Germany will fly right over your head. Since getting elected, his own PR staff have blatantly invented terrorist attacks purely to demonize muslims (Bowling Green, Atlanta). But that is just the tip of the iceberg. On this very board we have people who openly advocate violence against muslims, including someone commending a brutal assault on an elderly couple in the UK as "totally justified" because of what happened in Paris. These sorts of views while not mainstream by any stretch, are common enough to pose a significant threat to the community. Threats that inevitably boil over into things like the Quebec City mosque shooting - which incidentally Trump was strangely silent on. People like you and FD who exhibit all the moral outrage in the world when muslims behave badly, are suddenly mute whenever muslims have their rights attacked. This is not 'playing the victim' or whatever you want to dismiss it as - this is literally how the nazis got away with genocide - seemingly good, moral people doing and saying nothing while the bigots literally get away with murder.

No I don't want to deport Muslims born here. I was basically talking about these.mass migrations of economic migrants posing as refugees.

But on the other hand people who were born here but have dual nationality, that's another question if they do the wrong thing.

And above all, Muslims who live here MUST accept our laws as supreme, cannot carry.on polygamous relationships financed by.welfare, must allow freedom to women. This must remain a western.liberal society.

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Muslims who live here MUST accept our laws as supreme

What makes you believe they have a choice.  It is a given they....must.  There is no other option.  Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike.

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Quote: Muslims who live here MUST accept our laws as supreme What makes you believe they have a choice.  It is a given they....must.  There is no other option.  Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike.

Really?
Not many Muslims in Qld then eh?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/moutia-elzahed-loses-bid-to-sue-police-over-assault-claims/news-story/744584491d46b35d1654f62a69004b4f

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Alqudsi, who was convicted of helping seven men travel to Syria to fight with Islamist rebels, is serving a sentence of eight years with a non-parole period of six years. His other wife, Carnita Matthews, was found guilty of falsely accusing a police officer of trying to remove her veil during a traffic stop in 2010.

Are you familiar with the Carnita Matthews case?  They try it on all the time.

Gandalf himself says he obeys Sharia Law.  Which is more than just a legal system BTW. 

Never heard of all those Muslims who refuse to stand in Court?  Like I said...  they try it on all the time.
Not all Muslims are good law abiding citizens you know Aussie.  Some are very used to playing the system.  Some just outright defy it.  Some use their religion as an excuse for their behaviour...  unfortunately most judges are ignorant.

Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by.

Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike.

For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS....

Muslim law overrides the law of the land.

Fact!

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 5:05am:

Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world. The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam. The compulsion to suppress contrary opinions and freedom of speech generally. We have seen that in his threats in thus forum. The persistent lies about people who dare to speak out against Islamic invasion. These people are dangerous and the sooner the western world comes to its senses on this issue the sooner they will be able to effectively protect themselves.

"Brian Ross" is a multi troll nic.

Did you expect anything different?

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS.... Muslim law overrides the law of the land. Fact!

What an absurd comment to make.  Self evidently, ridiculous.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 5:05am:

Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world.

Ah, OK, so if I "continually promote Islam" you should be able to quote something from me, where I have "promoted Islam", Bogarde.

Here you go, here is some space to do it in:


Quote:


Quote:

The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam.

So, ALL Muslims are "abusive" and "supposedly peaceful followers of Islam"?  Really?

Talk about religious persecution. ::) ::)

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 11:01am:

There is almost a group paranoia in western society. Don't mention the Islamic threat. Don't even mention it once, we won't get away with it. There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. But they didn't go away did they? They damn well nearly conquered the world, with the help of Japan. Now it's about Islam. People have lulled themselves into a soporific state of misbelief that, if only we welcome these barbarians into our culture with a smile and open arms, they will cherish the society we have invited to them. Can someone please call for the Mass Psychiatry Service. There are dreamers at large who present a danger to themselves and everybody about them. The only bit of western society which has remained sane throughout all this is the tiny outpost of Israel. They know the truth.

Ostracism is immediate and personal, whereas societal destruction will likely affect the poor masses (whom they despise) first, by the time the results of their actions really hits home, the enablers will be long dead. 

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike.

So your answer is no....  fair enough.

We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 5:05am: Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world. Ah, OK, so if I "continually promote Islam" you should be able to quote something from me, where I have "promoted Islam", Bogarde. Here you go, here is some space to do it in: Quote: [quote] The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam.

So, ALL Muslims are "abusive" and "supposedly peaceful followers of Islam"?  Really?

Talk about religious persecution. ::) ::)


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So does constantly being an apologist and defending Islam and Muslims even when clearly the claims are indefensible and calling people names ridiculing and libeling people lead one to believe you constantly "promote" Islam?  Or not.  How would you define it if not.

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm: Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike. So your answer is no....  fair enough. We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D

By whom?  Got a link? The Law is quite clear in Australia ~ you may be married at Law to just one person.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

No I don't want to deport Muslims born here. I was basically talking about these.mass migrations of economic migrants posing as refugees.

You have evidence that is occurring here?  Or are you referring to Europe?   If you are, why not say so, instead of using innuendo to imply that this is occurring in Australia.  Tsk. tsk. like all Islamophobes you hide your true intent, don't you, Bogarde?   ::)


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But on the other hand people who were born here but have dual nationality, that's another question if they do the wrong thing.

If they have dual nationality, that is there choice, a choice which the Government has recognised.   So, why only attack Muslims?  What about the British/European migrants, the American migrants, etc. who have dual nationality?   Why is it always the Muslims who at fault in your mind, Bogarde?


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And above all, Muslims who live here MUST accept our laws as supreme, cannot carry.on polygamous relationships financed by.welfare, must allow freedom to women. This must remain a western.liberal society.

And it is.  How about the Christians who don't allow freedom to women?  The Ultra-Orthodox Jews?  The Chinese/Vietnamese immigrants?   Australian laws are supreme and the overwhelming majority of any immigrant group recognise that.  Why persecute that overwhelming majority for the crimes of the minority who don't?    ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS.... Muslim law overrides the law of the land. Fact!

Actually, the Q'ran admonishes all Muslims to obey the law of the land in which they reside.  Sh'ria law does not work in Australia, Lisa.   Time you woke up to the bullshit you're peddling.   ::) ::)

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:54pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 5:05am: Brian Ross represents everything that is dangerous and evil about the Islam which he continually promotes and wishes to see expand here and throughout the western world. The violence of his abusive outbursts is typical of what we see repeatedly from the supposedly peaceful followers of Islam. The compulsion to suppress contrary opinions and freedom of speech generally. We have seen that in his threats in thus forum. The persistent lies about people who dare to speak out against Islamic invasion. These people are dangerous and the sooner the western world comes to its senses on this issue the sooner they will be able to effectively protect themselves. "Brian Ross" is a multi troll nic.

You have evidence that I utilise different logins, Lisa?  I have challenged you to present it before and you have failed to.  I wonder why?  Could it be that you have none?  How unsurprising.   Tsk, tsk, lies and innuendo.  How typical of you.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm: For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS.... Muslim law overrides the law of the land. Fact! Actually, the Q'ran admonishes all Muslims to obey the law of the land in which they reside.  Sh'ria law does not work in Australia, Lisa.   Time you woke up to the bullshit you're peddling.   ::) ::)

Snow flakes chance in Hell.

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm: Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike. So your answer is no....  fair enough. We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D

You have evidence of that, Geoff?  Why haven't you presented it to the Police?  Tsk, tsk, an accessory after the fact, who'd have believed it of you?    ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

So does constantly being an apologist and defending Islam and Muslims even when clearly the claims are indefensible and calling people names ridiculing and libeling people lead one to believe you constantly "promote" Islam?  Or not.  How would you define it if not.

Have you any evidence that I "constantly promote Islam", Geoff?

If not, piss off with your lies and innuendos.   You are an Islamophobe as this thread shows.  Why do you hate Muslims so much, Geoff?  Did one scare you as a baby?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:40pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm: For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS.... Muslim law overrides the law of the land. Fact! Actually, the Q'ran admonishes all Muslims to obey the law of the land in which they reside.  Sh'ria law does not work in Australia, Lisa.   Time you woke up to the bullshit you're peddling.   ::) ::) Snow flakes chance in Hell.

There is always hope, Aussie.  Lisa can stop peddling bullshit any time she wants.   ::)

Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism.

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm: Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike. So your answer is no....  fair enough. We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D By whom?  Got a link? The Law is quite clear in Australia ~ you may be married at Law to just one person.

Not on me but there were posts links and other stuff in the media recently...  why don't you have a look for yourself for a change.  might be something new for you to be informed by actually doing the work yourself.  It is related to centrelink and the decision to pay the wives as wives and not single mothers I think...  only clue I can give you.
Otherwise you'll just have to wait.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm: Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike. So your answer is no....  fair enough. We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D You have evidence of that, Geoff?  Why haven't you presented it to the Police?  Tsk, tsk, an accessory after the fact, who'd have believed it of you?    ::) ::)

I'm surprised you're not already on top of it bwian...  wassup, too busy insulting people?  TROLL.... :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:35pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:16pm: Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:45pm: Jayzuz Grendel, there is but one Law we all must abide by. Break the Law, you will be dealt with according to Law.  Calathumpian and Muslim alike. So your answer is no....  fair enough. We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...   :D By whom?  Got a link? The Law is quite clear in Australia ~ you may be married at Law to just one person. Not on me but there were posts links and other stuff in the media recently...  why don't you have a look for yourself for a change.  might be something new for you to be informed by actually doing the work yourself.  It is related to centrelink and the decision to pay the wives as wives and not single mothers I think...  only clue I can give you. Otherwise you'll just have to wait.

Tell us, Grendel ~ What is bigamy at Law?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/centrelink-legalises-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/35f49d0c38789e22e133d00c67e55899


Quote:

CENTRELINK is ignoring Islamic polygamy, paying spousal benefits to Muslim families with multiple wives in an effort to save taxpayers’ money.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/samantha-maiden-polygamists-married-to-a-love-of-multiple-welfare-cheques/news-story/82b0184cc12b60d2e825a8042eecea25

Quote:

It’s easy to dismiss the polygamy argument as a freak show put up in Australia by opponents of gay marriage. But the reality is that it is happening in Australia and it’s not illegal under the Marriage Act unless someone tries to register it at Births, Deaths and Marriages. And it’s raising some issues for Centrelink when people with interesting arrangements at home rock up asking for a welfare cheque.

Oh and you 2 can both apologise to be for doubting my word yet again and the ridicule and ad hom.... ::)

Grendel the offence is bigamy is this ~ marrying someone while already married to another person.

One does not 'marry' at Law by having a God Botherer mumble some words about "husband and wife."  It requires the signing and filing of documents.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-over-centrelink-benefits-for-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/7dfb6e2004e5439b0b2051f91d686fad


Quote:

Conservative MP Cory Bernardi says the payment of Centrelink spousal benefits to the wives of polygamous Muslim men is political correctness gone mad.

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

Grendel the offence is bigamy is this ~ marrying someone while already married to another person. One does not 'marry' at Law by having a God Botherer mumble some words about "husband and wife."  It requires the signing and filing of documents.

oh dear....  polygamy bigamy....  happy for you to play pedant....  Islamic husbands inAustralia, with multiple wives would be both wouldn't they?

So since Muslims can divorce by saying I divorce you I divorce you I divorce you...  would you care to explain the Islamic wedding ceremony you know like the ones children are put through. :D :D :D

I don't care how pedantic you want to be Aussie
Polygamy is the main issue... 
And Polygamy is also not allowed in australia. :D :D :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

I don't care how pedantic you want to be Aussie Polygamy is the main issue...  And Polygamy is also not allowed in australia. :D :D :D :D :D

You posted:


Quote:

We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie...

Words have a meaning, particularly 'marriage,' Grendel.  In another context, you froth at the mouth defending the sanctity, and gender exclusivity of it against attacks by gays and lesbians who want to 'marry.'

Now, hypocritically, you are prepared to prostitute what it legally means to further your little agenda.

Dumb, Grendel, just dumb.

Auggie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism.

Thank you, Augcaesarustus for noticing.   8-)

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-over-centrelink-benefits-for-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/7dfb6e2004e5439b0b2051f91d686fad Quote: Conservative MP Cory Bernardi says the payment of Centrelink spousal benefits to the wives of polygamous Muslim men is political correctness gone mad.

Cory Bernardi also believes that Climate Change isn't happening and that Gay Marriage leads to bestiality, Geoff.  Who cares what he thinks, he's a loon.   Are you a loon as well?

Now, if you know of bigamy occurring, you must report it to the Police.  Have you done so?  If not, why not?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

Now now, you'll get questions for that. If you're lucky, you'll get your own thread.

In future, you might want to show some sympathy for those 8000 Jews Moh killed for being a mindless collective with no individuality at all, G.

Just a suggestion.

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:30pm: I don't care how pedantic you want to be Aussie Polygamy is the main issue...  And Polygamy is also not allowed in australia. :D :D :D :D :D You posted: Quote: We also have the situation where bigamy is being accepted by authorities Aussie... Words have a meaning, particularly 'marriage,' Grendel.  In another context, you froth at the mouth defending the sanctity, and gender exclusivity of it against attacks by gays and lesbians who want to 'marry.' Now, hypocritically, you are prepared to prostitute what it legally means to further your little agenda. Dumb, Grendel, just dumb.

Really?
What drugs are you on?
Just what are you on about....  polygamy is the issue and bigamists are polygamists you fool.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:47pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-over-centrelink-benefits-for-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/7dfb6e2004e5439b0b2051f91d686fad Quote: Conservative MP Cory Bernardi says the payment of Centrelink spousal benefits to the wives of polygamous Muslim men is political correctness gone mad. Cory Bernardi also believes that Climate Change isn't happening and that Gay Marriage leads to bestiality, Geoff.  Who cares what he thinks, he's a loon.   Are you a loon as well? Now, if you know of bigamy occurring, you must report it to the Police.  Have you done so?  If not, why not?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Address the issue bwian stop playing the man....  yu siad it wasn't happening you inferred I was a liar now you are inferring I'm a loon for posting proof...  well bwian we all know who the loon is...  we all know who the ignorant lying hypocrite is...  you need to stop it. and acknowledge the facts for a change.

So here we have one of the sites Trolls, Aussie, running to pedantry to excuse behaviour and ignore facts, when proven wrong and of course we have Rossco...  in denial and ignoring reality and facts yet again...  You sir are an idiot!!!!!

You both asked for proof.... the question is...  Why do we bother ever posting any? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:47pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:25pm: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-over-centrelink-benefits-for-multiple-muslim-wives/news-story/7dfb6e2004e5439b0b2051f91d686fad Quote: Conservative MP Cory Bernardi says the payment of Centrelink spousal benefits to the wives of polygamous Muslim men is political correctness gone mad. Cory Bernardi also believes that Climate Change isn't happening and that Gay Marriage leads to bestiality, Geoff.  Who cares what he thinks, he's a loon.   Are you a loon as well? Now, if you know of bigamy occurring, you must report it to the Police.  Have you done so?  If not, why not?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Address the issue bwian stop playing the man....  yu siad it wasn't happening you inferred I was a liar now you are inferring I'm a loon for posting proof...  well bwian we all know who the loon is...  we all know who the ignorant lying hypocrite is...  you need to stop it. and acknowledge the facts for a change.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

When you learn to not use ad hominem terms when replying to me, Geoff, I might bother take notice of you.   Grow up, please and stop rolling in the gutter all your time...   ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:56am:

So here we have one of the sites Trolls, Aussie, running to pedantry to excuse behaviour and ignore facts, when proven wrong and of course we have Rossco...  in denial and ignoring reality and facts yet again...  You sir are an idiot!!!!! You both asked for proof.... the question is...  Why do we bother ever posting any? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

When you learn to not use ad hominem terms when replying to me, Geoff, I might bother take notice of you.   Grow up, please and stop rolling in the gutter all your time...   ::)

Bwian....  now you are making me YAWN :D :D :D :D :D Everyone knows you've lost the argument, everyone knows you are a lying hypocrite bwian...  isn't it about time you stopped your stupid behaviour and earned some respect and credibility...  you have nothing bwian.  nothing.... ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:28pm:

Bwian....  now you are making me YAWN :D :D :D :D :D Everyone knows you've lost the argument, everyone knows you are a lying hypocrite bwian...  isn't it about time you stopped your stupid behaviour and earned some respect and credibility...  you have nothing bwian.  nothing.... ;D ;D ;D

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Stop rolling in the gutter, Geoff.  You may enjoy living there but the rest of us all find it filthy and disgusting...  Tsk, tsk...    ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s.

Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense.

The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different.


You are not a victim, don't try to kid us.

Frank wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us.

Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

LOL, bwian still suffers from cultural cringe apparently now its a bad thing to belong to the dominant culture. :D :D :D

LOL....  oh and lets not forget "racial" group....  gee I wonder what that means.  Since bwian says race does not exist. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:53pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us. Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian would it be fair to describe your little rant as racist?

Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger?



The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy.

No its not...  not by a long chalk.

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:53pm: Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us. Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Brian would it be fair to describe your little rant as racist?

You can describe it as you desire, FD.   It's what you always do, when you're attempting to get a rise out of your next victim.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:53am:

LOL, bwian still suffers from cultural cringe apparently now its a bad thing to belong to the dominant culture. :D :D :D LOL....  oh and lets not forget "racial" group....  gee I wonder what that means.  Since bwian says race does not exist. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

There's no place to hide bwian... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy.

Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 4:51pm: For Muslums, ALL MUSLIMS.... Muslim law overrides the law of the land. Fact! Actually, the Q'ran admonishes all Muslims to obey the law of the land in which they reside.  Sh'ria law does not work in Australia, Lisa.   Time you woke up to the bullshit you're peddling.   ::) ::)

Actually that is bullshit bwian...
Lisa is right for Muslims Sharia does override the law of the land....  Muslims are admonished to follow the law of the land they live in  AS LONG AS IT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SHARIA. ::) ::) ::)

I like the way they show respect for the law by standing in the presence of the judge.

You never hear of them saying things like I only respect the law of Allah.

Now this shows how well they integrate & assimilate.

yes and Multiculti is supposed to be about tolerance and respect.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  but that is very much a one way street. ::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4284984.jpg

That just lost you the argument!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:53pm: Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us. Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Brian would it be fair to describe your little rant as racist? You can describe it as you desire, FD.   It's what you always do, when you're attempting to get a rise out of your next victim.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

I will Brian. Do you think it is fair to describe your little rant as racist?

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:38am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away.

Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea.

Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks.

You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 5:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 10:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:53pm: Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us. Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Brian would it be fair to describe your little rant as racist? You can describe it as you desire, FD.   It's what you always do, when you're attempting to get a rise out of your next victim.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) I will Brian. Do you think it is fair to describe your little rant as racist?

Why bother asking when it is obvious your mind is already made up, FD?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ::)

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy.

Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA.

Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA.

OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community.

Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community.

You guys are your own worst enemy.

Try to live with it - own your stupidity.

Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA.

I seldom make excuses for you and promise to attempt to never do it in the future if you insist.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community. Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community. You guys are your own worst enemy. Try to live with it - own your stupidity.

Well that is not true and you should stop being an apologist and flaming everyone who disagrees with you.
just so you know....  YOU ARE WRONG!

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. I seldom make excuses for you and promise to attempt to never do it in the future if you insist.

Being a stupid TROLL doesn't help your argument BTW.

Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. I seldom make excuses for you and promise to attempt to never do it in the future if you insist. Being a stupid TROLL doesn't help your argument BTW.

Oh dear... ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 10:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 10:53pm: Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:47pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. Your attempts to draw parallels between Jews and Muslims is arrant, self-serving nonsense. The history of the Jews and Muslims in Europe is completely different. The actions of Jews and Muslims is completely different. You are not a victim, don't try to kid us. Well, neither are you, Soren.  Afterall, you come from the dominate cultural and "racial" group within Australian society.   Your kind out number Muslims significantly.  Yet you keep claiming your the ones being victimised.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) Brian would it be fair to describe your little rant as racist? You can describe it as you desire, FD.   It's what you always do, when you're attempting to get a rise out of your next victim.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) I will Brian. Do you think it is fair to describe your little rant as racist? Why bother asking when it is obvious your mind is already made up, FD?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) ::)

I ask to find out what your opinion is Brian.

Do you think it is fair to describe your little rant as racist?

Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community. Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community. You guys are your own worst enemy. Try to live with it - own your stupidity. Well that is not true and you should stop being an apologist and flaming everyone who disagrees with you. just so you know....  YOU ARE WRONG!

Difficult to believe that you think that marginalising and vilifying the Muslim community is not going to drive vulnerable young Muslims in the wrong direction.

There is no up side to this type of behaviour, yes it only makes the problem worse.

It is very obvious that I am not wrong.

When are muslims and their apologists going to be start being honest?

muslims who commit theses atrocities in the name of allah, are explicitly told by islam allah muhammad and the qur'an, to perpetrate these depravities against their fellow man.

The root cause of islamic evil is the cult it 'self.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 12:55am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:21pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. I seldom make excuses for you and promise to attempt to never do it in the future if you insist. Being a stupid TROLL doesn't help your argument BTW. Oh dear... ::) ::)

Yes bwian that applies to YOU too. :D :D :D

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community. Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community. You guys are your own worst enemy. Try to live with it - own your stupidity. Well that is not true and you should stop being an apologist and flaming everyone who disagrees with you. just so you know....  YOU ARE WRONG! Difficult to believe that you think that marginalising and vilifying the Muslim community is not going to drive vulnerable young Muslims in the wrong direction. There is no up side to this type of behaviour, yes it only makes the problem worse. It is very obvious that I am not wrong.

LOL....  you don't have to continuously show how stupid you and your beliefs are bwian.
Do you think the people who kill people because of a cartoon are not mentally deficient?
Do we in the West need to be treated with kid gloves and mollycoddled like you expect us to treat your weak hearted weak minded Muslims.  Do you truly think they are so mentally deficient they need that?
Typical LW Progressive pathetic wrong thinking... 
If they are as mentally deficient, precious, rabid, etc as you think they are bwian, then I put it to you... we would be better off without them in our country.

moses wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 8:59am:

When are muslims and their apologists going to be start being honest? muslims who commit theses atrocities in the name of allah, are explicitly told by islam allah muhammad and the qur'an, to perpetrate these depravities against their fellow man. The root cause of islamic evil is the cult it 'self.

It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam.
If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right.
We're in his mosque and this time I have no shoes on.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:39pm:

It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right.

100% wrong.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:42am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community. Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community. You guys are your own worst enemy. Try to live with it - own your stupidity. Well that is not true and you should stop being an apologist and flaming everyone who disagrees with you. just so you know....  YOU ARE WRONG! Difficult to believe that you think that marginalising and vilifying the Muslim community is not going to drive vulnerable young Muslims in the wrong direction. There is no up side to this type of behaviour, yes it only makes the problem worse. It is very obvious that I am not wrong.

Oh no....  you are wrong.
An apologist.
And possibly a lunatic.
No sane person behaves the way you believe.
It is claimed that Islam is a peaceful religion that its adherents pray 5 times a day...  taking that as a given DNA and they are not all mentally and morally deficient just what are you on about? :D :D :D :D :D

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong.

So what is Taqquiya and who adheres to it and why? (yeah yeah its spelt many ways)

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong. So what is Taqquiya and who adheres to it and why? (yeah yeah its spelt many ways)

Not me.

hmmm now is that taqqiya?  :D

Don't know, I already covered that pedantic stupidity... (it is spelt several ways on the Net) but your answer is pretty inadequate....  so I guess you are avoiding the issue.  Much like bwian continually does.  Are you sure you are not bwian?

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong. So what is Taqquiya and who adheres to it and why? (yeah yeah its spelt many ways)

Oh, dear.   To any one else who might actually read it, I'd recommend this article. 

Taqiya.  It tells you everything you need to know about the practice and the limited scope it is used under.

Geoff, as we know you refuse to read anything I post properly, I suppose you can just ignore it, OK?   ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:42am: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 7:14pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:38am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:44pm: Why are people afraid to acknowledge the danger? The biggest threat by far is of the red necked idiots driving a self fulfilling prophesy. Dna is the classic head in the sand, don't mention it and it'll all go away. Yes because driving young Muslims towards radicalisation is such a great idea. Who are the best friends that ISIS have in Australia - you red necked dopey buggars helping to swell their ranks. You claim to be against radical Muslims but do nothing but help to maximise their numbers. great work, you may well produce that self fulfilling prophesy. Puhlease put the blame where it truly belongs...  and stop making excuses for the mentally challenged.  I expect most Muslim more intelligent than you give them credit for DNA. OH I am putting the blame where it belongs the best defence against radical Muslims is a united supported Australian Muslim community. Having a disenfranchised community being persecuted is the best way to guarantee we develop the maximum number of radicals from that community. You guys are your own worst enemy. Try to live with it - own your stupidity. Well that is not true and you should stop being an apologist and flaming everyone who disagrees with you. just so you know....  YOU ARE WRONG! Difficult to believe that you think that marginalising and vilifying the Muslim community is not going to drive vulnerable young Muslims in the wrong direction. There is no up side to this type of behaviour, yes it only makes the problem worse. It is very obvious that I am not wrong. Oh no....  you are wrong. An apologist. And possibly a lunatic. No sane person behaves the way you believe. It is claimed that Islam is a peaceful religion that its adherents pray 5 times a day...  taking that as a given DNA and they are not all mentally and morally deficient just what are you on about? :D :D :D :D :D

There is no logic in what you say and that is very obvious.

Nobody that is treated badly responds well. That includes Muslims.

This is so basic and obviously true that it is beyond belief that people argue with the proposition.

It is certainly not the only driver or even the primary one but it is the only one that we can all easily contribute too.

Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:57pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong. So what is Taqquiya and who adheres to it and why? (yeah yeah its spelt many ways) Oh, dear.   To any one else who might actually read it, I'd recommend this article.  Taqiya.  It tells you everything you need to know about the practice and the limited scope it is used under. Geoff, as we know you refuse to read anything I post properly, I suppose you can just ignore it, OK?   ::)

Ah no bwian I don't you are a liar and an idiot so stop lying. As there are apparently different versions of Sharia  to Muslims I am asking Gandalf to provide his version...  if that is ok with you I already have read quite wiely on the subject.  All you have done is have a go at me as per usual as the TROLL you are and supported  my claim that the word is spelled several ways on the NET...  Gee thanks.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:52am:

Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology?

Well as I pointed out originally the LW PC Prog Brigade will answer yes, because they are afraid of the irrational and violent response they think will occur if we don't. :D :D :D

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:52am:

Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology?

This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference?

I see no reason to denigrate, isolate criticise and condemn German people either.

There are sold arguments to support not being nice to members of ISIS in Australia and I do not see why you guys are so keen to help swell their ranks.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:47am:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? Well as I pointed out originally the LW PC Prog Brigade will answer yes, because they are afraid of the irrational and violent response they think will occur if we don't. :D :D :D

No they will point out that it is a seriously flawed argument.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference?

No he doesn't. He literally equates Islamic beliefs to nazi ideology.

FD really doesn't see any difference between muslims and nazis.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? No he doesn't. He literally equates Islamic beliefs to nazi ideology. FD really doesn't see any difference between muslims and nazis.

What an awful thing to say about FD. Nobody is that dumb.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 8:47am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? Well as I pointed out originally the LW PC Prog Brigade will answer yes, because they are afraid of the irrational and violent response they think will occur if we don't. :D :D :D No they will point out that it is a seriously flawed argument.

Well as yet you haven't.... :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:49am: Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 8:47am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? Well as I pointed out originally the LW PC Prog Brigade will answer yes, because they are afraid of the irrational and violent response they think will occur if we don't. :D :D :D No they will point out that it is a seriously flawed argument. Well as yet you haven't.... :D :D :D

I have to give you credit for being such a persistent advocate for a lost cause.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:57am: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? No he doesn't. He literally equates Islamic beliefs to nazi ideology. FD really doesn't see any difference between muslims and nazis. What an awful thing to say about FD. Nobody is that dumb.

You're right. No doubt FD will be along shortly to explain how unfair I am being - and he doesn't really think Islamic beliefs are as bad as nazi ideology... any minute now...

The truth is never a lost cause DNA... ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ::) ::) ::)

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? I see no reason to denigrate, isolate criticise and condemn German people either. There are sold arguments to support not being nice to members of ISIS in Australia and I do not see why you guys are so keen to help swell their ranks.

Can you explain the difference? I think you have it backwards. ISIS and Germany are states. You cannot actually say anything about people based solely on where they live. Islam and Nazism on the other hand are ideologies that people choose to believe. They were both founded by maniacs fond of slaughtering Jews. But Hitler was not a pedophile. There you go, I have one difference for you already.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? I see no reason to denigrate, isolate criticise and condemn German people either. There are sold arguments to support not being nice to members of ISIS in Australia and I do not see why you guys are so keen to help swell their ranks. Can you explain the difference? I think you have it backwards. ISIS and Germany are states. You cannot actually say anything about people based solely on where they live. Islam and Nazism on the other hand are ideologies that people choose to believe. They were both founded by maniacs fond of slaughtering Jews. But Hitler was not a pedophile. There you go, I have one difference for you already.

ISIS or Daesh is not a nation state whereas Germany has been since ~1871.  Germany is recognised around the world.  ISIS is not.  The two are not comparable.  Tsk, tsk.   FD, I'd have expected better of you but it appears your Islamophobia is ruling your brain.    ::)

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? I see no reason to denigrate, isolate criticise and condemn German people either. There are sold arguments to support not being nice to members of ISIS in Australia and I do not see why you guys are so keen to help swell their ranks. Can you explain the difference? I think you have it backwards. ISIS and Germany are states. You cannot actually say anything about people based solely on where they live. Islam and Nazism on the other hand are ideologies that people choose to believe. They were both founded by maniacs fond of slaughtering Jews. But Hitler was not a pedophile. There you go, I have one difference for you already.

I think you have it backwards. ISIS and Germany are states


ISIS is a militant group ?

NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument.

Oh, dearie, dearie me... Neither are Daesh all Muslims or represent even a large fraction of all Muslims, Geoff.   They represent a minority of Muslims.   What a shame that you refuse to acknowledge that.  I wonder why?  Islamophobia stopping you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are.

Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism?

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are. Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism?

You can get maps of the Muslim word exactly the same as the unofficial maps of the ISIS held territory.

You will find that the ISIS maps all show territory that is officially part of Iraq or Syria etc This is not really showing a genuine nation.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 4:40pm:

I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are. Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism?

Yes, but some parts of your inbreeding map are a bit out of date, FD.

Maybe you could show us on a Freeeedom graph instead.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 3:20pm:

NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument.

You are just being pedantic nobody is stupid enough to think it relevant to anything.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 4:43pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm: I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are. Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism? You can get maps of the Muslim word exactly the same as the unofficial maps of the ISIS held territory.

Which do you think is the better analogy DNA?

ISIS and Germany - two places.

Islam and Nazism - two ideologies.

Why do you insist on getting this backwards?

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm: I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are. Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism? You can get maps of the Muslim word exactly the same as the unofficial maps of the ISIS held territory. Which do you think is the better analogy DNA? ISIS and Germany - two places. Islam and Nazism - two ideologies. Why do you insist on getting this backwards?

I think it is all meaningless.

ISIS is not a place but a radical group.

Islam is a religion.

Nazism is a virtually obsolete  form of fascism practiced in 1930's and 40's in Germany - a totalitarian nationalistic expansionist regime.

So in fact you are comparing one religion, one country , one political regime and one radical group.

You have no meaningful answer or excuse in this mess.  The parallels that you wish for do not exist in reality.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:20pm: NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument. Oh, dearie, dearie me... Neither are Daesh all Muslims or represent even a large fraction of all Muslims, Geoff.   They represent a minority of Muslims.   What a shame that you refuse to acknowledge that.  I wonder why?  Islamophobia stopping you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Oh dearie dearie me bwian...  you need to wake up to yourself boyo, I give you a chance to elucidate and all you can think of is flaming and trolling.  You are a lost cause aren't you.  BTW I've never denied that about ISIS bwian.
I think you will find I agree bwian... so do grow up, I am slowly but surely losing my patience with your childish stupidity.
Oh and stop with the other crap we've already discussed.  Immature name calling is not why I come here.  people who lie about me is not why I come here. :D :D :D  oh and bwian if you want to be treated with respect...  you need to start showing some, and that means no more lies and hypocrisy bwian.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:35pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:20pm: NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument. Oh, dearie, dearie me... Neither are Daesh all Muslims or represent even a large fraction of all Muslims, Geoff.   They represent a minority of Muslims.   What a shame that you refuse to acknowledge that.  I wonder why?  Islamophobia stopping you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Oh dearie dearie me bwian...  you need to wake up to yourself boyo, I give you a chance to elucidate and all you can think of is flaming and trolling.  You are a lost cause aren't you.  BTW I've never denied that about ISIS bwian. I think you will find I agree bwian... so do grow up, I am slowly but surely losing my patience with your childish stupidity. Oh and stop with the other crap we've already discussed.  Immature name calling is not why I come here.  people who lie about me is not why I come here. :D :D :D  oh and bwian if you want to be treated with respect...  you need to start showing some, and that means no more lies and hypocrisy bwian.

And right on cue, you provide the very proof of what is referred to here in this Thread.

Link.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:43pm: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 4:40pm: I can show you on a map exactly where ISIS is. I can show you where Germany is. I cannot show you where Islam and Nazism are. Which do you think is the better analogy to Nazism? You can get maps of the Muslim word exactly the same as the unofficial maps of the ISIS held territory. Which do you think is the better analogy DNA? ISIS and Germany - two places. Islam and Nazism - two ideologies. Why do you insist on getting this backwards? I think it is all meaningless. ISIS is not a place but a radical group. Islam is a religion. Nazism is a virtually obsolete  form of fascism practiced in 1930's and 40's in Germany - a totalitarian nationalistic expansionist regime. So in fact you are comparing one religion, one country , one political regime and one radical group. You have no meaningful answer or excuse in this mess.  The parallels that you wish for do not exist in reality.

ISIS is defined entirely by the territory it holds. When they loose that territory, ISIS goes with it. I was not asking you for an answer. I was asking you why you insist on getting the analogy backwards. Islam and Nazism are both ideologies. Germany and ISIS are not. Are you afraid to consider the possibility that Islam is similar to Nazism?

Here is is again DNA. Your own words. Explaining to me why I am wrong:


freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:52am: Should we also be nice to Nazis in case they respond badly to our criticism of their ideology? This is an apples and oranges analogy, it should be comparing Nazi's to Isis or Germans to Muslims. See the difference? I see no reason to denigrate, isolate criticise and condemn German people either. There are sold arguments to support not being nice to members of ISIS in Australia and I do not see why you guys are so keen to help swell their ranks. Can you explain the difference? I think you have it backwards. ISIS and Germany are states. You cannot actually say anything about people based solely on where they live. Islam and Nazism on the other hand are ideologies that people choose to believe. They were both founded by maniacs fond of slaughtering Jews. But Hitler was not a pedophile. There you go, I have one difference for you already.

Why should we compare Germans to Muslims? German is a nationality. Islam is a religio/political creed that people choose to adopt. Why should Nazis be compared to ISIS? The people who  now find themselves within ISIS do not all choose to be there.

The better analogy is Islam vs Nazism, as both are ideologies, and ISIS or the original Caliphate vs Nazi Germany, as they are states established as an expression of the ideology.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:35pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:20pm: NAZIS aren't Germany or all Germans bwian...  how does that fit with your argument. Oh, dearie, dearie me... Neither are Daesh all Muslims or represent even a large fraction of all Muslims, Geoff.   They represent a minority of Muslims.   What a shame that you refuse to acknowledge that.  I wonder why?  Islamophobia stopping you?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Oh dearie dearie me bwian...  you need to wake up to yourself boyo, I give you a chance to elucidate and all you can think of is flaming and trolling.  You are a lost cause aren't you.  BTW I've never denied that about ISIS bwian. I think you will find I agree bwian... so do grow up, I am slowly but surely losing my patience with your childish stupidity. Oh and stop with the other crap we've already discussed.  Immature name calling is not why I come here.  people who lie about me is not why I come here. :D :D :D  oh and bwian if you want to be treated with respect...  you need to start showing some, and that means no more lies and hypocrisy bwian.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me...   ::)

Brian is a good person although he seems a little tired. He was in the army you know!!! Perhaps he is shell shot.

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both are ideologies,

Nah.

Islam is a recognised religion.  Pauline reckons it is an ideology.  Nazism was a nasty example of right wing nationalism.

Are you trying to disagree with me Aussie?

Johnnie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:37pm:

Brian is a good person although he seems a little tired. He was in the army you know!!! Perhaps he is shell shot.

If only ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Aussie wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Quote: both are ideologies, Nah. Islam is a recognised religion.  Pauline reckons it is an ideology.  Nazism was a nasty example of right wing nationalism.

Really....  I thought Nazis were Nationalist Socialists

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Are you trying to disagree with me Aussie?

No, I am not trying to.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Are you trying to disagree with me Aussie?

Aussie is just here to snipe from the sidelines as usual FD.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:38pm: Quote: both are ideologies, Nah. Islam is a recognised religion.  Pauline reckons it is an ideology.  Nazism was a nasty example of right wing nationalism. Really....  I thought Nazis were Nationalist Socialists

Okay, I'll go with that as being their ideology as well.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 6:41pm: Are you trying to disagree with me Aussie? Aussie is just here to snipe from the sidelines as usual FD.

Typical.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong.

Are you sure your response is completely accurate Gandalf?
Back to the mosque for re-education.

So what is the difference between; taqiyya, kitman and muruna Gandalf and when do you use them?

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:23pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:39pm: It is not evil for Muslims to lie to infidels if it is for the benefit of Islam. If I'm wrong about that Gandalf will put me right. 100% wrong. Are you sure your response is completely accurate Gandalf? Back to the mosque for re-education.

If you never wanted my opinion in the first place, probably best not to ask me.

wassup?  did I ask something else too difficult to get a courteous and factual reply about?

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

So what is the difference between; taqiyya, kitman and muruna Gandalf and when do you use them?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I knew I was wasting my time when I provided that link to an explanation of Taqiyya.   Tsk, tsk, such a shame that you refused to read it, Geoff.  It would have saved you so much effort at trolling, Gandalf.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm: So what is the difference between; taqiyya, kitman and muruna Gandalf and when do you use them? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I knew I was wasting my time when I provided that link to an explanation of Taqiyya.   Tsk, tsk, such a shame that you refused to read it, Geoff.  It would have saved you so much effort at trolling, Gandalf.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

You  need to shut up bwian  honestly....  you need to concentrate on upping your game, not making stupid wrong statements about others.
I already know what they mean, from a non-Muslim pov, since Muslims seem to have all different interpretations of the same things I need to know where gandalf and his  ilk stand on these issues and terms.
Hope that shuts you up for a while, because you just waste my time continually here. :D :D :D :D :D
BTW YOU are the TROLL bwian so drop the crap eh.

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:40pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:41pm: So what is the difference between; taqiyya, kitman and muruna Gandalf and when do you use them? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I knew I was wasting my time when I provided that link to an explanation of Taqiyya.   Tsk, tsk, such a shame that you refused to read it, Geoff.  It would have saved you so much effort at trolling, Gandalf.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) You  need to shut up bwian  honestly....  you need to concentrate on upping your game, not making stupid wrong statements about others. I already know what they mean, from a non-Muslim pov, since Muslims seem to have all different interpretations of the same things I need to know where gandalf and his  ilk stand on these issues and terms. Hope that shuts you up for a while, because you just waste my time continually here. :D :D :D :D :D BTW YOU are the TROLL bwian so drop the crap eh.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Let me guess, it's Herbie who has control of this account?  No, no, it can't be Herbie.  How about the Baron?  Or Gordon?  Or is it Hammer?   Tsk, tsk, so many people who could masquerade as Geoff.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants.

Which people are attempting genocide of Muslims?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 5:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. Which people are attempting genocide of Muslims?

No one in this instance (ignoring for the moment Myanmar). But nice attempt at a strawman.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 6:39am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:22am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. Which people are attempting genocide of Muslims? No one in this instance (ignoring for the moment Myanmar). But nice attempt at a strawman.

Where's the straw men?  You're comparing western questioning of Muslim belief to nazism.  Aside from this being absolutely absurd and insane, it's just incorrect. So I'd ask you not to devalue an actual genocide and actual Genocidal maniacs by comparing this to people's questioning of conservative Islam (which, we may add, is where much of today's fascism in government is actually centred). 

Incidentally,  if we are gonna talk about violence against Jews in Europe In the modern age, I think you'll find most of it stems from our wonderful jihadists and conservative Muslims.  But, lets not question anyone's beliefs, shall we? After all, all it takes is for a few good men to do nothing.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 7:26am:

Where's the straw men?  You're comparing western questioning of Muslim belief to nazism.  Aside from this being absolutely absurd and insane, it's just incorrect. So I'd ask you not to devalue an actual genocide and actual Genocidal maniacs by comparing this to people's questioning of conservative Islam (which, we may add, is where much of today's fascism in government is actually centred).  Incidentally, also, AS a strawman, if a are gonna talk about violence against Jews in Europe In the modern age, I think you'll find most of it stems from our wonderful jihadists and conservative Muslims.  But, lets not question anyone's beliefs, shall we? After all, all it takes is for a few good men to do nothing.

Google;
similarity between islam and nazism, totalitarianism


If you examine a few of the hits you may be shocked at what you discover.

Auggie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism.

Gotcha 😄

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 7^th, 2017 at 10:25pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism. Gotcha 😄

You got nothing.

mothra wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:25pm: Auggie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism. Gotcha 😄 You got nothing.

Which is a hell of a lot more than you've got.......

Fuzzball wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

mothra wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 10:39am: Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 10:25pm: Auggie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Thank you, Brian Ross, for defending pluralism and liberalism. Gotcha 😄 You got nothing. Which is a hell of a lot more than you've got.......

Whatever you reckon Lisa.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 7:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39am: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:22am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 1:32pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:01am: There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer. Actually you have it back to front. People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons. People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis. This is the danger people recognise from the nazis. Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam. The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. Which people are attempting genocide of Muslims? No one in this instance (ignoring for the moment Myanmar). But nice attempt at a strawman. Where's the straw men?  You're comparing western questioning of Muslim belief to nazism.  Aside from this being absolutely absurd and insane, it's just incorrect. So I'd ask you not to devalue an actual genocide and actual Genocidal maniacs by comparing this to people's questioning of conservative Islam (which, we may add, is where much of today's fascism in government is actually centred).  Incidentally,  if we are gonna talk about violence against Jews in Europe In the modern age, I think you'll find most of it stems from our wonderful jihadists and conservative Muslims.  But, lets not question anyone's beliefs, shall we? After all, all it takes is for a few good men to do nothing.

The irony here of course is that nazis and nazi sympathisers were using eerily similar arguments to excuse vilifcation of the jews: we can't ignore the threat, they are holding Europe hostage, they have a sinister agenda to conquer us... etc etc

Of course I'm not talking about the actual genocide of jews - by then the train was obviously well and trully in motion. I'm talking about the lead up - the demonization campaign, and the creeping discrimination against them. If you are still sceptical - consider that the frontrunner in the upcoming Dutch elections openly advocates closing down all mosques and banning the Quran. Any sane person would be gravely concerned about this.