I might have to revise my opinion of this woman, whom I admit to previously regarding as a bit of a yobbo.

As reported in ABC News, she apparently took apart some Islamic woman supporter of sharia law on the Q&A program.
There is only one law for everybody here she yelled at her and that isn't sharia law. So the report says, she received huge applause for her stand.
Well done senator.

She further said she supported the Trump measure to ban immigration from specified countries and wanted a similar measure here.

Amen to that.

Lambie as usual wasn't articulate on the issue but it doesn't invalidate her conclusion. Abdel-Magied only wanted to talk about the parts of the sharia that pertain to her praying and other personal aspects of it, conveniently leaving out all the barbarity.

As for Abdel-Magied shouting down Lambie that under sharia, Muslims must follow the laws of the country they reside.

Yes that's true, but as with everything Islam, there's a catch.

Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is a Islamic state (al-khilafa), Muslim countries, or non-Muslim countries such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.

So as long as the law of the land dovetails with Sharia, we're all hunky dory.

http://www.daruliftaa.com/node/5852

See: if some nutter wants Sharia law, we just tell them 'no'.

Simples!

Stop worrying your pretty little heads over something that's never gonna happen here.

Yes Gordon, it's clear Islam is an ideology of deception.
It's very clever at deceiving the unwary that it will permit its followers to blend in with the laws of infidels. And it's plain to see how many unwary there are.
But the green light is there for any of the faithful to disregard any of the rules of civilised society as they choose, with the knowledge that there will always bean imam to back & encourage them.

Sharia law = *ALL* practices of the Islamic faith - it includes praying, worshipping God alone, fasting, charity etc. These are all personal acts of worship, not meant to be imposed on anyone else.

*SOME*, not all, muslims also believe Sharia involves actual codified law, enforced by the government - such as enforcement of religious dress, punishment for adultery, death for apostasy etc.

Yasminn, the lady Jacqui was shouting at, does *NOT* believe sharia involves the latter. She was trying to make this point, telling Jacqui that sharia involves, for her, praying 5 times a day.

What Yasminn objected too...

was Jacquis simplistic motto "if you want sharia, you should be deported" - when she clearly didn't understand what sharia means - or indeed that sharia means something completely different from one muslim to another.

It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn - who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty (praying, fasting, give charity etc) - to be told that if I want to practice my religion that hurts no one - I am not welcome in this country.

Clearly Jacqui does not mean that people should be deported for praying or fasting - but in this dialogue she made it very clear she is not interested in being educated on the subject.

Says Yasminn:


Quote:

My frustration is that people talk about Islam without knowing anything about it and they're willing to completely negate any of my rights as a human being

Some of you may remember Jacqui's response when she was first asked what she understood Sharia to mean a couple of years back: "ummm... well... it obviously involves terrorism"

Its pretty obvious Jacqui has not made any efforts since then to better understand the Sharia and that there is no one simplistic definition of it.  Worse, it almost seems maintaining her ignorance is a deliberate ploy to 'maintain the rage' and scapegoat muslims for populist gain.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 8:32am:

Sharia law = *ALL* practices of the Islamic faith - it includes praying, worshipping God alone, fasting, charity etc. These are all personal acts of worship, not meant to be imposed on anyone else. *SOME*, not all, muslims also believe Sharia involves actual codified law, enforced by the government - such as enforcement of religious dress, punishment for adultery, death for apostasy etc.

Some moslems.........     you mean, like    Mohammed    for example ?


ISLAM's revered Messenger of Allah confirms it.....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260





And, it is codified within ISLAMIC law, that killing non-moslems is lawful.

gandalf,       Is Shia ISLAMIC law different from this -------- >


Google;
islam, unbelief is worse than killing


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 8:32am:

Its pretty obvious Jacqui has not made any efforts since then to better understand the Sharia and that there is no one simplistic definition of it.

Yeah well its also pretty obvious that progressives haven't made any efforts to better understand the opinions of their "conservative" compatriots either.  Not surprising, considering they shut down every forum where they could potentially hear what those opinions are. 

And so here we are, the channels of dialogue broken down, progressives unwilling to compromise on pushing through their year zero agenda, and conservatives fed up with conceding point after point after point. 

Maybe more propaganda is what's needed to fix this potentially explosive state of affairs.  

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 8:32am:

It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn - who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty.......

gandalf,

That is because your and Yasminn's interpretation of sharia law,        to be practiced here, in Australia,       follows a formula of devotion that will lead us into a peaceful utopian society.

Correct ?

/sarc off





gandalf,

Some advice......

You will never win us over, unless you are willing to confront the truth.



gandalf,

Where are all of these peaceful utopian ISLAMIC societies, which adhere to your and Yasminn's interpretation of sharia law ?

WHEN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION gandalf,        DON'T DISAPPOINT ME NOW!!!!!!!!

Yadda wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:00am:

ISLAM's revered Messenger of Allah confirms it..... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Ah yes, that old trusty some guy said  - 200 years after the event, that some guy said that some guy said the Prophet said...

sounds legit.

Much more legit than the actual Islamic holy book:

there is no compulsion in religion
2:256

The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve
18:29

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:22am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:00am: ISLAM's revered Messenger of Allah confirms it..... "...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD. hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260 Ah yes, that old trusty some guy said  - 200 years after the event, that some guy said that some guy said the Prophet said... sounds legit.

gandalf,

As i am sure you are aware bukhari is the MOST respected and authoritative of the Hadith writings.



ALSO,    the Hadith writings    are not commentaries about ISLAM, by some obscure unknown historian.

Many of the Hadith are regarded as authoritative historic ISLAMIC texts, which all moslems refer to, to inform themselves, in knowledge, regarding the early formative years of their faith.        Do you deny that ?



QUESTION;
gandalf,     In you obvious complaint about my reference to what Mohammed declared on that subject,              are you going to actually claim here, that mainstream ISLAM [in its tenets and doctrines] actually disregards and forgives, apostasy by the moslem ?




.





polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:22am:

Much more legit than the actual Islamic holy book: there is no compulsion in religion 2:256 The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve 18:29

Very disingenuous gandalf.

I am certain that you are very well aware, that those verses [at least the 2:256] were abrogated by Allah's later additions to the Koran.


Dictionary;
abrogate = = repeal or do away with (a law or agreement).

Gandalf, really, who the hell is interested in having Islamic law preached at them?
We've seen enough of this barbaric dark age ideology in action for years now to understand we don't want it near our society and that it must be opposed and thwarted at every opportunity.

Once bitten twice shy . . .and we've been.bitten too many times.

Perhaps you could explain this then Gandalf or forward it on to jackie.


Quote:

As a legal system, Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legal codes regulate public behavior, Sharia law regulates public behavior, private behavior and even private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to Sharia law: • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above, Islamophobia). • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death. • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death. • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (Allah moon god). • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion). • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death. • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death (Naskh). • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old. • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251). • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more. • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (Religion of Peace). • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce. • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it. • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman. • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s). • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's. • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (Errors in Quran). • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval). • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative. • Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal". • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam. • The list goes on (Sharia law in America, UK, Europe and Saudi Arabia).

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

Gandalf, really, who the hell is interested in having Islamic law preached at them? We've seen enough of this barbaric dark age ideology in action for years now to understand we don't want it near our society and that it must be opposed and thwarted at every opportunity. Once bitten twice shy . . .and we've been.bitten too many times.

Not me, So I don't go to a Mosque or ask a Muslim to rant at me.  You?

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:53am: Gandalf, really, who the hell is interested in having Islamic law preached at them? We've seen enough of this barbaric dark age ideology in action for years now to understand we don't want it near our society and that it must be opposed and thwarted at every opportunity. Once bitten twice shy . . .and we've been.bitten too many times. Not me, So I don't go to a Mosque or ask a Muslim to rant at me.  You?

Yeah, it's pretty simple really.

When was the last time a Muslim knocked on your door trying to sell you their religion?

Christians, on the other hand ...


http://www.salamandersociety.com/slamtoons/telestial/2006/060309phoenix_rising_ball_knocker.jpg

Why knock on doors when you can go on TV and hector thousands of viewers at once?

... wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Why knock on doors when you can go on TV and hector thousands of viewers at once?

I found this thing on my TV remote which is really useful.

http://a.rgbimg.com/cache1qDFQb/users/b/be/beckymerrett/300/n3FUQWy.jpg

Anyway, aren't all (at least most) of the Sunday morning religious shows on TV Christian?

I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box.

But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination.

... wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:54am:

I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination.

What is?

... wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:54am:

I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination.

In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it.

Not once has a Muslim done anything like that.

Never, ever.

What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:02am:

... wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:54am: I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination. In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it. Not once has a Muslim done anything like that. Never, ever. What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get.

Same here. 

One of the regular Coast Cabbies is a Bible Basher and is in the ear of his passengers all the time.  He also tries it at Ranks and is told to piss off very quickly.  Known by all as the Preacher.

Aussie wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:02am: ... wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:54am: I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination. In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it. Not once has a Muslim done anything like that. Never, ever. What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get. Same here.  One of the regular Coast Cabbies is a Bible Basher and is in the ear of his passengers all the time.  He also tries it at Ranks and is told to piss off very quickly.  Known by all as the Preacher.

No surprise at all.

The preaching cabbie, the crazy guy in the city, the crusader on TV, the douche-bag knocking on your door, and the cretin putting leaflets in your letterbox - all Christians.

I'll reiterate: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it.

In fact, the Muslims I know never initiate discussion of their religion.

SHARIA IS A FEMINIST LAW!!! I was pissing myself laughing when I heard that dumb muppet say that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

SHARIA IS A FEMINIST RELIGION!!! I was pissing myself laughing when I heard that dumb muppet say that.

As opposed to pissing yourself in a drunken stupor?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 11:14am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:02am: ... wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:54am: I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination. In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it. Not once has a Muslim done anything like that. Never, ever. What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get. Same here.  One of the regular Coast Cabbies is a Bible Basher and is in the ear of his passengers all the time.  He also tries it at Ranks and is told to piss off very quickly.  Known by all as the Preacher. No surprise at all. The preaching cabbie, the crazy guy in the city, the crusader on TV, the douche-bag knocking on your door, and the cretin putting leaflets in your letterbox - all Christians. I'll reiterate: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it. In fact, the Muslims I know never initiate discussion of their religion.

Muslims represent 2.2% of the population and you live in the city with the least Muslims in the country.

My cousin is a uni professor and PhD in theology actually, he regularly goes to those interfaith hoo-has and he said like clockwork, the Imams get their Allah out of their pants and try to ram in down everyone throats.

Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:14am: Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:02am: ... wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:54am: I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination. In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it. Not once has a Muslim done anything like that. Never, ever. What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get. Same here.  One of the regular Coast Cabbies is a Bible Basher and is in the ear of his passengers all the time.  He also tries it at Ranks and is told to piss off very quickly.  Known by all as the Preacher. No surprise at all. The preaching cabbie, the crazy guy in the city, the crusader on TV, the douche-bag knocking on your door, and the cretin putting leaflets in your letterbox - all Christians. I'll reiterate: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it. In fact, the Muslims I know never initiate discussion of their religion. Muslims represent 2.2% of the population and you live in the city with the least Muslims in the country. My cousin is a uni professor and PhD in theology actually, he regularly goes to those interfaith hoo-has and he said like clockwork, the Imams get their Allah out of their pants and try to ram in down everyone throats.

I know a lot of Muslims, and I've visited Muslim countries (and Sydney, and Melbourne, etc.).

Again: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it.

Not once.

Regarding your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect?

Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion?

Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 7:49am:

See: if some nutter wants Sharia law, we just tell them 'no'. Simples! Stop worrying your pretty little heads over something that's never gonna happen here.

'An estimated 30 sharia councils exist in the UK, giving Islamic divorce certificates and advice on other aspects of religious law. They have garnered fierce criticism, particularly for their treatment of women seeking religious divorces, who make up the core clientele'.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:14am: Aussie wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 11:02am: ... wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 10:54am: I wouldnt know whats on the idiot box. But I do know it was most disingenuous to pretend door knocking was a main avenue of religious harassment and indoctrination. In my life I've had several Christians knock on my door, stop me in the street, and corner me at parties, in a bid to convince me that their religion is the only one true religion, and that I should be a part of it. Not once has a Muslim done anything like that. Never, ever. What's really disingenuous, is people like you who try to pretend that Christians aren't trying to ram their religion down your throat at every opportunity they get. Same here.  One of the regular Coast Cabbies is a Bible Basher and is in the ear of his passengers all the time.  He also tries it at Ranks and is told to piss off very quickly.  Known by all as the Preacher. No surprise at all. The preaching cabbie, the crazy guy in the city, the crusader on TV, the douche-bag knocking on your door, and the cretin putting leaflets in your letterbox - all Christians. I'll reiterate: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it. In fact, the Muslims I know never initiate discussion of their religion. Muslims represent 2.2% of the population and you live in the city with the least Muslims in the country. My cousin is a uni professor and PhD in theology actually, he regularly goes to those interfaith hoo-has and he said like clockwork, the Imams get their Allah out of their pants and try to ram in down everyone throats. I know a lot of Muslims, and I've visited Muslim countries (and Sydney, and Melbourne, etc.). Again: not once has a Muslim tried to convince me that their religion is the best, and that I should be a part of it. Not once. Regarding your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect? Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion? Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox?

Every time I go to Lakemba there are Muslims proselytising on the street. Every time, handing out pamhplets and the Koran on a CD.

Once again it's all about numbers. You can sure as poo believe if their numbers were substantial, they'd be all over the place waving their Allah in your face.

BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect? Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion? Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox?

Tell that to non-Muslim prisoners beginning their time in our jails. If they don't agree to convert - they're beaten up until they either agree, or have to be put into protective custody.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

Gandalf, really, who the hell is interested in having Islamic law preached at them? We've seen enough of this barbaric dark age ideology in action for years now to understand we don't want it near our society and that it must be opposed and thwarted at every opportunity. Once bitten twice shy . . .and we've been.bitten too many times.

Sorry boges, but when someone screams at me that they want to kick me out of my own country because of a patently false understanding of my religion - they're going to get some preaching. I think I'm entitled to that.

Don't want preaching? Don't spew ignorant hatred. Simple.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 7:49am: See: if some nutter wants Sharia law, we just tell them 'no'. Simples! Stop worrying your pretty little heads over something that's never gonna happen here. 'An estimated 30 sharia councils exist in the UK, giving Islamic divorce certificates and advice on other aspects of religious law. They have garnered fierce criticism, particularly for their treatment of women seeking religious divorces, who make up the core clientele'.

"They have garnered fierce criticism"

;)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:24pm: your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect? Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion? Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox? Tell that to non-Muslim prisoners beginning their time in our jails. If they don't agree to convert - they're beaten up until they either agree, or have to be put into protective custody.

Why lie?

Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:33pm:

BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked.

;D ;D ;D

There's an exquisite irony here.

For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail.

And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community.

The politicians stopped it over-night.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:24pm: your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect? Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion? Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox? Tell that to non-Muslim prisoners beginning their time in our jails. If they don't agree to convert - they're beaten up until they either agree, or have to be put into protective custody. Why lie?

Why indeed when there's no reason to?

link

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community. The politicians stopped it over-night.

Why lie?

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

Perhaps you could explain this then Gandalf or forward it on to jackie. Quote: As a legal system, Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legal codes regulate public behavior, Sharia law regulates public behavior, private behavior and even private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to Sharia law: • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above, Islamophobia). • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death. • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death. • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (Allah moon god). • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion). • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death. • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death (Naskh). • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old. • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251). • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more. • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (Religion of Peace). • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce. • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it. • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman. • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s). • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's. • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (Errors in Quran). • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval). • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative. • Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal". • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam. • The list goes on (Sharia law in America, UK, Europe and Saudi Arabia).

I'm ready any time you are... ;D

Do you actually try and be obtuse grendel?


polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 8:32am:

It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn[- who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty (praying, fasting, give charity etc)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Do you actually try and be obtuse grendel? polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:32am: It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn[- who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty (praying, fasting, give charity etc)

hence my question...  please feel free to educate us all.

Oh and I have no respect for that stupid bint from the ABC...  so don't think mentioning her will help, she's an idiot. :D

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Sharia law ‘affecting court rulings’     Rebecca Urban     The Australian     12:00AM September 5, 2016 Two Sydney children have been placed into foster care and their 17-year-old brother reluctantly permitted to live with his violent father after their Lebanese-born mother cited “Islamic law” as the reason she was unable to care for them. In the case highlighting how Australian courts are increasingly having to deal with the fallout from arrangements struck under Islamic, or sharia, law the mother argued religious law prevented her children living with her because her new husband should not be burdened with the responsibility for caring for them. Sharia law was also invoked in a matter heard in November by the District Court of South Australia, where disagreement over an ­alleged loan was complicated by the existence of two contracts; one in English referring to a sum of $70,000 plus interest, another handwritten in Farsi that made no mention of interest. The court heard evidence that under Islamic law lending money in return for interest was for­bidden and the second document had been drafted for “religious ­reasons” to hide the fact interest was being charged. According to Flinders University academic Hossein Esmaeili, an expert in Islamic and Middle Eastern law, many Australian Muslims distrust the secular legal system, preferring traditional religious oversight of their personal and business affairs. In a recent paper published in the Flinders Law Journal, Dr Esmaeili argues that there is significant evidence the broad principles of sharia are already being ­practised covertly by Muslims in Australia. “While many Muslims in Australia do not support the introduction of sharia law … many follow certain sharia legal principles as part of their religious obser­vances,” he writes. “These include matters which ordinarily are legal issues in Australia such as inheritance law, wills, paying special taxes, marriage and divorce, and matters relating to personal property, banking and finance.” Dr Esmaeili says courts’ recognition of certain Islamic laws might help Muslims use Australia’s justice system more effectively and realise it can accommodate some sharia practices. In one high-profile case heard by a NSW local court and, on ­appeal, by the Supreme Court, an Islamic prenuptial agreement struck by a Sydney couple was found to be enforceable under the principles of contract law. The court found the husband had initiated separation from his wife and therefore owed her $50,000 in compensation, a sharia dowry. The 2012 case was thought to be the first of its kind in Australia. According to the appeal judge, it raised the issue of the way agreements based on religious or cultural tradition should be dealt with in Australian society. Dr Esmaeili told The Australian many Westerners associated sharia with harsh punishments and believed it to be incompatible with secular society. But it was, he pointed out, a broad philosophy governing most aspects of a Muslim’s life, ranging from daily rituals such as prayer through to the way they arranged business affairs. He said aspects of sharia were “problematic”, such as the ancient doctrine of kofr, which separated Muslims and non-Muslims, but few Muslims wanted those ­applied in Australia. “Australia’s legal system is secular and 99.9 per cent of the community is happy with that, including Muslims,” he said. “It is not that courts here are applying Islamic law, more they are establishing the facts, which may reference Islamic principles. “And this tends to apply to … the law of contracts, not criminal law, and nor should it.” In the case of the Sydney children placed in foster care, the Family Court in Parramatta heard the nine- and 14-year-olds had effectively been abandoned by their mother, who divorced their father and later remarried. Their father, also born in Lebanon, was deemed violent, lacking in parental authority and incapable of attending to the children’s needs. “The mother has completely abrogated her responsibilities as a parent in refusing to have the children live with her and proffering as an excuse that her new husband should not be required to care for another man’s children as it’s contrary to Islamic law,” the 2014 judgment said. The court ordered the two youngest into state care, to have only supervised contact with ­either parent. Dr Esmaeili questioned the mother’s interpretation of Islamic law. “She may have made the claim, but it is not based on Islamic law,” he said.

Now that is not a bad article, its balanced and only someone with a chip on their shoulders would have issue with what is stated.  It's obvious Muslims live by Sharia law, Gandalf and Yassmin say they do...  well bits of it.  Not sure all Muslims would be happy about that.  Some would certainly like the more barbaric aspects of it and its penalties adopted here.  Those who fight for the Caliphate and support ISIS for example.
So since Gandalf refused to clear things up, I have posted this article.  Hope that helps gandalf. ::)

What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia.

What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity?

Muslims tell us to learn Sharia Law when there's multiple versions and interpretations . Just like the Koran has various interpretations. It's impossible when they don't even know what sharia law is.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity?

So you don't even know what Sharia law is?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. The one implicit in my request you explain what is contained in the post. What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity?  Nope I don't support it either.  I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? :D ;D :D

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

Muslims tell us to learn Sharia Law when there's multiple versions and interpretations . Just like the Koran has various interpretations. It's impossible when they don't even know what sharia law is.

:) :) :)

Cheers Grendel. :) :)

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm: BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked. ;D ;D ;D There's an exquisite irony here. For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail. And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community. The politicians stopped it over-night.

what a load of rubbish ... I still get them knocking a few times a year and find pamphlets in my letter box periodically

why do you make this crap up?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:40pm:

Cheers Grendel. :) :)

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John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:45pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm: BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked. ;D ;D ;D There's an exquisite irony here. For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail. And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community. The politicians stopped it over-night. what a load of rubbish ... I still get them knocking a few times a year and find pamphlets in my letter box periodically why do you make this crap up?

I though you lived in a gated community.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:44pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg

No answer it seems. ::)

Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:41pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:45pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm: BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked. ;D ;D ;D There's an exquisite irony here. For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail. And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community. The politicians stopped it over-night. what a load of rubbish ... I still get them knocking a few times a year and find pamphlets in my letter box periodically why do you make this crap up? I though you lived in a gated community.

I don't know about bible bashers in bondi, but the ones up here are well versed in using an intercom. Besides, it's not difficult to walk in behind a car when the gate is open.

It's usually the Jehovas that come knocking although there have been other christian groups  :D :D

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::)

did you ask a question?

Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:41pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:45pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm: BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked. ;D ;D ;D There's an exquisite irony here. For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail. And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community. The politicians stopped it over-night. what a load of rubbish ... I still get them knocking a few times a year and find pamphlets in my letter box periodically why do you make this crap up? I though you lived in a gated community.

got him!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question?

I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations?

how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations?

That's a silly answer. A question with a question. I'm wasting my time with you muppet.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations?

The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not.

gandalf wrote:Reply #9 - Today at 9:22am


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there is no compulsion in religion 2:256 The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve 18:29

Well kiss a black rock and call me allah, that a lovely bit of taqiyya gandi, islam's just all peaches and cream.

Here's a very small sample (there are scores more) of verses which preach the exact opposite. 

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Nuh no peaches and cream there, be harsh and strive against the disbeliever.

qur'an 8.55: For the vilest of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

No, none here either, just more hatred against the disbeliever.

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

Hokey scissors, no peaches and cream here, just seize and kill them disbelievers.


When are you going to be honest about the hate and violence in the qur'an gandalf.

Oh that's right, you know you can't, because according to the qur'an the jihadists and the isis boys are the true blue muslim.

You have the leftards on side, they thrive on lies and deception, the rest of us want a bit of truth from you gandi.

rhino wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations? The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not.

ohh, so the roman catholic agree with the church of England, who in turn agrees with the Russian orthodox, whoi agree with the Greek Orthodox, who agree with the joho's, who agree with all the other 'christian' faiths?

get real.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

That's a silly answer. A question with a question. I'm wasting my time with you muppet.

it was a silly question ... and yet you felt compelled to ask it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:06pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations? The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not. ohh, so the roman catholic agree with the church of England, who in turn agrees with the Russian orthodox, whoi agree with the Greek Orthodox, who agree with the joho's, who agree with all the other 'christian' faiths? get real.

Aren't we talking about Sharia Law. Now we've moved on to religion. I'll ask again- how are we meant to understand Sharia when it comes in various forms?

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:06pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations? The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not. ohh, so the roman catholic agree with the church of England, who in turn agrees with the Russian orthodox, whoi agree with the Greek Orthodox, who agree with the joho's, who agree with all the other 'christian' faiths? get real.

No the point though, there are agreed interpretations of the Bible, the King James version being one. There are no agreed interpretations of sharia law.

rhino wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

No the point though, there are agreed interpretations of the Bible,

as there are agreed interpretations on sharia ... all the extremists agree on their version, the moderates on theirs, and others still might believe in another version altogether.

Not that I believe in any of them anyway, but the one thing I definitely don't believe is some Islamphobes version of Sharia.

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? [/color] :D ;D :D

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

I explained myself perfectly, and I'll explain again just for you: those "laws" you list are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. To me, Sharia is only personal acts of worship that don't affect anyone else: praying, fasting, giving charity, belief in one God etc. That, in case you are still confused is "explaining myself and Sharia".

If you were after something else, I suggest you learn how to compose the right question in coherent English.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:32pm: I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? [/color] :D ;D :D Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained myself perfectly, and I'll explain again just for you: those "laws" you list are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. To me, Sharia is only personal acts of worship that don't affect anyone else: praying, fasting, giving charity, belief in one God etc. That, in case you are still confused is "explaining myself and Sharia". If you were after something else, I suggest you learn how to compose the right question in coherent English.

Are YOU sure YOU are not BWIAN?
BTW if you have bothered to read what I posted/wrote...  YOU are the one with ENGLISH COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS. :D :D :D :D :D
I have no problems with HALAL except where the money goes, I have no real issues with SHARIA except the more stupid laws and punishments that belong no where sane people live.

rhino wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:22pm: rhino wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:06pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations? The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not. ohh, so the roman catholic agree with the church of England, who in turn agrees with the Russian orthodox, whoi agree with the Greek Orthodox, who agree with the joho's, who agree with all the other 'christian' faiths? get real. No the point though, there are agreed interpretations of the Bible, the King James version being one. There are no agreed interpretations of sharia law.

The King James Bible is a translation, Rhino, not an interpretation.

Sharia law is all interpretation. It's based on Muhammed's teachings and other Sharia rulings. It often calls to question other Sharia rulings.

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:53pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:32pm: I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? [/color] :D ;D :D Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained myself perfectly, and I'll explain again just for you: those "laws" you list are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. To me, Sharia is only personal acts of worship that don't affect anyone else: praying, fasting, giving charity, belief in one God etc. That, in case you are still confused is "explaining myself and Sharia". If you were after something else, I suggest you learn how to compose the right question in coherent English. Are YOU sure YOU are not BWIAN?

Is this the right question, G?

Karnal wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:04pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:37pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:22pm: rhino wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:06pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:58pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:53pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:40pm: Cheers Grendel. :) :) http://rs199.pbsrc.com/albums/aa279/LolaBonne/Forum%20Pics/Anotherwankfest.jpg No answer it seems. ::) did you ask a question? I'll repeat myself dumbass. How are people meant to understand Sharia Law when it is has various  interpretations? how do people understand the bible when it has various interpretations? The Bible is in writing with agreed interpretations, Sharia law is not. ohh, so the roman catholic agree with the church of England, who in turn agrees with the Russian orthodox, whoi agree with the Greek Orthodox, who agree with the joho's, who agree with all the other 'christian' faiths? get real. No the point though, there are agreed interpretations of the Bible, the King James version being one. There are no agreed interpretations of sharia law. The King James Bible is a translation, Rhino, not an interpretation.

Incorrect. It is an interpretation.


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Sharia law is all interpretation. It's based on Muhammed's teachings and other Sharia rulings. It often calls to question other Sharia rulings.

Incorrect again, Sharia law is simply customary law which obviously varies from region to region, even between villages in the same region.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:32pm: I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? [/color] :D ;D :D Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained myself perfectly, and I'll explain again just for you: those "laws" you list are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. To me, Sharia is only personal acts of worship that don't affect anyone else: praying, fasting, giving charity, belief in one God etc. That, in case you are still confused is "explaining myself and Sharia". If you were after something else, I suggest you learn how to compose the right question in coherent English.

Good grief bwian....  you need to explain your pov in general, you need to explain Sharia to those who don't understand it.  I merely gave you the opportunity...  you don't need to explain it to me. I already get it.
You need to be a realist though and not an apologist...  you need admit there are problems with it in the non-muslim societies muslims choose to reside in.

Feel free to point out anywhere I've got it wrong. Just don't start posting any more yawns.  Oh and don't flame me...  or I will flame back. ;)

... wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:10am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:32am: Its pretty obvious Jacqui has not made any efforts since then to better understand the Sharia and that there is no one simplistic definition of it. Yeah well its also pretty obvious that progressives haven't made any efforts to better understand the opinions of their "conservative" compatriots either.  Not surprising, considering they shut down every forum where they could potentially hear what those opinions are.  And so here we are, the channels of dialogue broken down, progressives unwilling to compromise on pushing through their year zero agenda, and conservatives fed up with conceding point after point after point.  Maybe more propaganda is what's needed to fix this potentially explosive state of affairs.

What I find interesting is how conservatives claim victimhood over the presence of Muslims within their society, while still outnumbering them one thousand to one.   They claim they are not allowed to express their opinions when in reality they doing exactly that, even when their opinions are offensive and of course, persecution of innocents because they look different/worship differently/love people differently to them.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 2:53pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:32pm: I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian????? [/color] :D ;D :D Do you have reading comprehension problems? I explained myself perfectly, and I'll explain again just for you: those "laws" you list are not, in my opinion, part of sharia. To me, Sharia is only personal acts of worship that don't affect anyone else: praying, fasting, giving charity, belief in one God etc. That, in case you are still confused is "explaining myself and Sharia". If you were after something else, I suggest you learn how to compose the right question in coherent English. Good grief bwian....  you need to explain your pov in general, you need to explain Sharia to those who don't understand it.  I merely gave you the opportunity...  you don't need to explain it to me. I already get it. You need to be a realist though and not an apologist...  you need admit there are problems with it in the non-muslim societies muslims choose to reside in. Feel free to point out anywhere I've got it wrong. Just don't start posting any more yawns.  Oh and don't flame me...  or I will flame back. ;)

Methinks you have the wrong attribution for your opinions, Geoff...   ::)

You are welcome to make a constructive comment bwian....  something you may have forgotten how to do.

I was making a point to Gandalf...  which looks to have gone whoosh right over your head.
how ususual ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 8:51pm:

You are welcome to make a constructive comment bwian....  something you may have forgotten how to do. I was making a point to Gandalf...  which looks to have gone whoosh right over your head. how ususual ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

*SIGH*, as usual, you have failed to retract your comment.   I am not Gandalf and Gandalf is not me.   Clear?   I am myself and me alone.   Now, please correct your posts or I will be forced to complain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:51pm: You are welcome to make a constructive comment bwian....  something you may have forgotten how to do. I was making a point to Gandalf...  which looks to have gone whoosh right over your head. how ususual ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D *SIGH*, as usual, you have failed to retract your comment.   I am not Gandalf and Gandalf is not me.   Clear?   I am myself and me alone.   Now, please correct your posts or I will be forced to complain.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

WHOOSH!!!
You are 1 thing bwian...  an idiot.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 6:56am:

I might have to revise my opinion of this woman, whom I admit to previously regarding as a bit of a yobbo. As reported in ABC News, she apparently took apart some Islamic woman supporter of sharia law on the Q&A program. There is only one law for everybody here she yelled at her and that isn't sharia law. So the report says, she received huge applause for her stand. Well done senator. She further said she supported the Trump measure to ban immigration from specified countries and wanted a similar measure here. Amen to that.

Jacqui is very good.

She sees islam as the cult it is.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

Jacqui is very good. She sees islam as the [a] cult it is.

Pity she and you are incorrect...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm: Jacqui is very good. She sees islam as the [a] cult it is. Pity she and you are incorrect...   ::)

cult
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noun: cult; plural noun: cults

    1.
    a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.

take your pick...
a/Muhammad
b/The Black Stone

lambie et al on Islam...
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/chris-kenny/extreme-voices-elicit-mistrust-thus-helping-islamic-extremists/news-story/6b9dac89d99ed6b3ec36c4b914d51977

We scowl at the populist and visceral politicians in our midst — Pauline Hanson, Jacqui Lambie and Cory Bernardi — who raise issues about Muslim migration and fundamentalism. We display our sophistication by eschewing the debate they encourage, instead joining mainstream politicians, commentators and the ABC in ­exhortations about Islam as the religion of peace or even, this week, the epitome of feminism.

When cornered, the politicians commonly will implore us to talk about other things. Or they will patronisingly warn their constituents against bigotry.


Quote:

We wouldn’t want to delude ourselves. At the risk of under­mining the comfort that comes from jihad denialism, let us have a quick stocktake of Islamist ­extremism globally. In Syria and northern Iraq, the bloodthirsty jihadists of Islamic State have slaughtered 50,000 people or more. Children have been executed because of their parents’ faith. Blood has been drained from those refusing to bow to an extreme version of Islam imposed by a self-declared caliphate and women have been raped and chained and sold into slavery. About 150 Australian citizens have voluntarily joined Islamic State. Some have been killed, some as suicide bombers, one infamously had his children hold up severed heads, and many remain. At least as many people still living among us have supported the ­jihadists, helped to recruit them or tried to join them. Some jihadists have come back to our shores; more hope to join them. In the Syrian civil war that has both helped to spawn ­Islamic State and been exacerbated by it, perhaps as many as 400,000 people have been killed. Millions have fled and are encamped in Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey and Iraq, while hundreds of thousands have fled to Europe. Terrorists have hidden among the refugees. The ongoing military conflict is a witch’s brew of competing interests, strategic plays and fundamentalist rivalries that has drawn in global nuclear superpowers the US and Russia. It is also a proxy struggle between the pre-eminent Sunni power of Saudi Arabia and the Shia empire of Iran; and it pushes up against the military might and tense borders of Israel. Across the Middle East and North Africa, Islamic extremists continue to create merry hell for governments, democracy, the rule of law and the safety of non-Muslims. In Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt and Africa’s most populous nation, Nigeria, Islamist extremism has spread bloodshed and either created dystopia or constantly threatened it. In Afghanistan, a decade and a half of foreign intervention is drawing to a close as a feeble ­national government attempts to embed order against persistent and bloody attacks from Taliban extremists and other Islamic terrorist outfits. In Pakistan, girls are slaughtered by extremists for daring to go to school and politicians are assassinated for defending the rights of non-Muslims while the heaving populations of nuclear-armed Pakistan and India square off across the Punjab border. In Paris, Islamic terrorists have gunned down journalists and cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo, music fans at the Bataclan theatre as well as tourists and locals in restaurants. They have used trucks to mow down dozens of families in Nice and Berlin. These are just a few of the worst terror attacks. In the US we have seen the ­unspeakable horror of 9/11 claim almost 3000 lives and more recent atrocities such as the Boston marathon bombing, Orlando massacre and San Bernardino shooting. We have seen bombings, shootings and stabbings in London, Bali, Jakarta, Istanbul, Mumbai, New York, Brussels, Sydney, Parramatta … the list goes on. Innocents — always innocents — brutally and senselessly killed. The evil is so immense and the scale of the acts so overwhelming it is sometimes the micro that gives perspective. After the Boston bombings of 2013, the bodies of two victims were lying on the footpath and could not be moved because the crime scene had to be preserved. One was a 23-year-old university student, Lingzi Lu, and the other an eight-year-old boy, Martin Richard. Out of respect for the victims and their families, a small group of Boston police vowed to stand with the bodies through that day and night in a silent vigil. “We stood there not so much as cops, or veterans, but as fathers,” said Captain Frank Armstrong. “I have five children; every one of us there that night thought ‘but for the grace of God that could be my child, coming in to watch the marathon on a beautiful day’.” Islamic terrorism has changed the way we travel and how we live. It is a global scourge that seeks to foment social, political and strategic upheaval. It strikes at our humanity, under­mines security and chips away at tolerance. So far, it must be said, its chaos theory has been relatively successful.

Oh, dearie, dearie me.   ::) ::)

What a shame all your "facts" are hidden behind a "paywall".  Do you enjoy shoving money into Rupert Murdoch's pockets?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Obviously not bwian because they are posted here...
https://bshistorian.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/shot-down.jpg

oh and bwian I have a great many sources for news and information not just one newspaper...

Are you being a hypocrite yet again and playing the man bwian?
Of course you are. :D :D :D :D :D
SHOTDOWN AGAIN BWIAN
https://bshistorian.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/shot-down.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie me... Tsk, tsk, what a shame you don't use your other media sources then, Geoff, instead of relying just on one...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 3:34pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie me... Tsk, tsk, what a shame you don't use your other media sources then, Geoff, instead of relying just on one...   ::) ::)

Wrong again bwian I use them all the time....  you need to actually read stuff more often... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Or cant you tell the difference between Fairfax and News Ltd? ::) ::) ::)

She looked nice on sunrise this morning, brushed off that funny looking woman with a sort of bun on her forehead, not a hair to be seen, somebody should draw cartoons of these Muslim women.

Grendel wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 19th, 2017 at 3:34pm: Oh, dearie, dearie me... Tsk, tsk, what a shame you don't use your other media sources then, Geoff, instead of relying just on one...   ::) ::) Wrong again bwian I use them all the time....  you need to actually read stuff more often... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Or cant you tell the difference between Fairfax and News Ltd? ::) ::) ::)

Oh, dearie, dearie me... Tsk, tsk,   ::) ::)

Jacqui and Pauline are collaborating as we speak, all other politicians go to ground, ring the bell, round two about to begin.

Oh dear, this could be brutal.