Treasurer threatens tax hike to fund NDIS
February 15, 2017
News.com.au

   

Treasurer Scott Morrison has threatened to increase taxes if a raft of welfare cuts worth billions of dollars are blocked by the Senate.   :-?

The government expected to generate $5.6 billion in savings through its welfare omnibus bill - which appears certain to fail - earmarking $1.6 billion for childcare fee subsidies and the remaining $4 billion for the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

"If you don't fund it (the NDIS) by getting welfare under control, you've got two other options, increase taxes or increase debt," Mr Morrison told News Corp.

Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill, leaving only One Nation in favour.   :)

The treasurer said price fluctuations meant the government could not rely on a spike in iron ore revenues to bankroll spending and achieve structural change.

"If the parliament is going to insist that the government spend more and more money, particularly on welfare, then someone has to pay for that." he told Sky News Business on Tuesday.

There were only two options to do so, and finding savings was the government's first preference.

"But if you don't do that, you've either got to have higher debt - which is a tax on your children - or you have to do it with other revenue measures.

Perhaps they simply need to look at
1) Excessive and continued donations overseas.
2) Serious reduction or better still removal of politician and senior public service asset test free pensions.
3) Taxing multinationals, Business and mega rich fairly and equally with the taxpayer.
4) Reigning in expenditure on stupid things and fringe group benefits.
5) Reducing politician and public service numbers, we are far far over the top, look out Greece, here we come.

But what is their cure.........?

TAX THE TAXPAYER MORE,     YEAH RIGHT.

We don't want the senate to become an automatic rubber stamp.  For the coalition, or labor.   :( 

There is a massive problem with the "senate".

In order for the herd to prosper, the alpha male at the top has to be able to decide on herd policy and the beta's have to be forced into line (for their own good).

the betas (essentially sheep) are under constant threat from the wolves and the alpha needs the freedom to do what is necessary to keep the wolves away.

But the senate are a corrupting influence on this time honoured and tested system.

the senate , by interefering in "natural law" put the sheep at risk.

for example, by not allowing alpha male Scott Morrison to run the paddock correctly, the "wolves" (in this case asian businesses) are slowly eating the sheep.

The wolves are buying the pasture from under the noses of the sheep, who will be relegated to poorer and poorer pastures. Whilst the wolves live on prime pasture in inner sydney, the sheep will be forced out to dry paddocks in western sydney and they will be slave labour to the new alphas, that scott could not keep at bay.

So the senate , is actively working against the interests of Scott but in doing so, is actively seeing the sheep get cheered off the cliff.

its time the sheep woke up and told the senate to leave it to scott. but they are sheep, so this wont happen.

poor scott...he wants to protect them but he cant.  i guess they'll just have to die of starvation

Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill.  Thank heavens for these good people in the senate.   :)

Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability.

whiteknight wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:52am:

Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill.  Thank heavens for these good people in the senate.   :)

Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. How is cutting those people off a bad thing? You can't have your cake and eat it. It's either cutting off payments to people who shouldn't even be receiving them or taxes are raised. Labor's unfunded NDIS has to be paid for somehow, so you decide how.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:54am:

Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability.

So you have no problem with people receiving taxpayer-funded benefits when they do not qualify for them and should not be receiving them?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:56am:

Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it.

what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:54am:

Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability.

I agree Smithy....If the private health care rebate, superannuation concessions, negative gearing and capitol gains tax where all reigned in as the ALP proposed their would be no funding shortfall for the NDIS....The priority for the LNP is being re elected not looking after the disabled who do not vote for them!!!

>:( >:( >:(

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool.

Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you?

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:54am: Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability. I agree Smithy....If the private health care rebate, superannuation concessions, negative gearing and capitol gains tax where all reigned in as the ALP proposed their would be no funding shortfall for the NDIS....The priority for the LNP is being re elected not looking after the disabled who do not vote for them!!! >:( >:( >:(

If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system. Better to pay a little to have people in private health care than to pay a lot for more people to use the public system.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you?

I have a very good idea how easy it is to dupe you

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system

bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth

Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times.

Better idea dummy is shut down the Private Health Insurance scam and put the money into medicare they could expand medicare to cover dental as well and still have money left over!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:56am:

whiteknight wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:52am: Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill.  Thank heavens for these good people in the senate.   :) Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it.

Rubbish. They do qualify for it. If they don't qualify for it, why is the legislation even necessary?

If the government really wanted to pursue savings, they could cut parliamentary pensions to those who are working. Double dipping is not in their vocabulary for people like that overpaid oaf, Hockey - $300K pension AND a salary. That's insane!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:57am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:54am: Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability. So you have no problem with people receiving taxpayer-funded benefits when they do not qualify for them and should not be receiving them?

Like Joe Hockey?

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times. Better idea dummy is shut down the Private Health Insurance scam and put the money into medicare they could expand medicare to cover dental as well and still have money left over!

Do you even know what the waiting time is to see a dentist in the public system? Good idea, dummy!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you?

Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system?

Bam wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:18am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system?

How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:15am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times. Better idea dummy is shut down the Private Health Insurance scam and put the money into medicare they could expand medicare to cover dental as well and still have money left over! Do you even know what the waiting time is to see a dentist in the public system? Good idea, dummy!

You're really not the sharpest tool in the shed when you post crap like that. Do you even know how Medicare works?

With the amount of money the Federal Budget spends on the PHI rebate, we could fund $300 of basic dental care a year for every person in the country. Medicare Dental is affordable.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold?

None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983.

How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT?

Bam wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:15am: Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times. Better idea dummy is shut down the Private Health Insurance scam and put the money into medicare they could expand medicare to cover dental as well and still have money left over! Do you even know what the waiting time is to see a dentist in the public system? Good idea, dummy! You're really not the sharpest tool in the shed when you post crap like that. Do you even know how Medicare works? With the amount of money the Federal Budget spends on the PHI rebate, we could fund $300 of basic dental care a year for every person in the country. Medicare Dental is affordable.

Great, so it's cheaper and the waiting times blow out even further. I used to live in Newcastle and to see a dentist in the public system entailed waiting 4-6 months. That's how far out in advance the dentists were booked out. That's before your magical plan. Imagine how long the waiting time would be under your plan.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money.

I don't give a fig about private health insurers. Take all the money out of private health and put it into the public system and everyone would be better off.
It's up to the insurers to make themselves competitive, not the govt. Premiums have gone up at far higher levels than cpi for years, and that's with rebates. Perhaps if they stopping paying for stupid things like sunnies, gym and joggers, and concentrated on real health matters,  they can cut their premiums. Instead they're using tax payer dollars to come up with gimmicks that still fail the policy holder if they get really sick. Most of the policies out there are little more than ambulance cover, and even then you're out of pocket.

Bam wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:24am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold? None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT?

So if that's true, why didn't Swan do anything about it? He had ample time and opportunity. It's not like he couldn't have passed any legislation he wanted to.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07am: If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. I don't give a fig about private health insurers. Take all the money out of private health and put it into the public system and everyone would be better off.

That's the kind of mentality I'd expect from a Greeny like Lee Rhiannon. Idiocy in the extreme.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Great, so it's cheaper and the waiting times blow out even further. I used to live in Newcastle and to see a dentist in the public system entailed waiting 4-6 months. That's how far out in advance the dentists were booked out. That's before your magical plan. Imagine how long the waiting time would be under your plan.

that's because there is no dental medicare ... introduce a dental system and EVERY dentist would be able to access it, not just the one or two in each city currently providing public dental  :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:33am: Great, so it's cheaper and the waiting times blow out even further. I used to live in Newcastle and to see a dentist in the public system entailed waiting 4-6 months. That's how far out in advance the dentists were booked out. That's before your magical plan. Imagine how long the waiting time would be under your plan. that's because there is no dental medicare ... introduce a dental system and EVERY dentist would be able to access it, not just the one or two in each city currently providing public dental  :D :D :D

There's about 20 private dental clinics in and around Newcastle. Not one or two. And the one I used to go to employed about a dozen dentists. Not one or two.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:33am: Great, so it's cheaper and the waiting times blow out even further. I used to live in Newcastle and to see a dentist in the public system entailed waiting 4-6 months. That's how far out in advance the dentists were booked out. That's before your magical plan. Imagine how long the waiting time would be under your plan. that's because there is no dental medicare ... introduce a dental system and EVERY dentist would be able to access it, not just the one or two in each city currently providing public dental  :D :D :D

People seem to be getting ancillaries mixed up with Hospital insurance John.  people can have all the dental treatment they like under the ancillaries part of their plan and get the pleasure of a minute part of it back!

I am thinking of dropping my cover and just keeping the ancillaries - although the funds are gradually decreasing the benefits they pay there as well.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:39am:

There's about 20 private dental clinics in and around Newcastle. Not one or two. And the one I used to go to employed about a dozen dentists. Not one or two.

generally, all dental clinics are private you fool ..

Perhaps we need to roll back all of howards unsustainable pork barreling 

whiteknight wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:54am:

Treasurer threatens tax hike to fund NDIS February 15, 2017 News.com.au     Treasurer Scott Morrison has threatened to increase taxes if a raft of welfare cuts worth billions of dollars are blocked by the Senate.   :-? The government expected to generate $5.6 billion in savings through its welfare omnibus bill - which appears certain to fail - earmarking $1.6 billion for childcare fee subsidies and the remaining $4 billion for the National Disability Insurance Scheme. "If you don't fund it (the NDIS) by getting welfare under control, you've got two other options, increase taxes or increase debt," Mr Morrison told News Corp. Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill, leaving only One Nation in favour.   :)

The problem with most numpties is that they don't realise 'free' stuff costs a lot of money and money needs to be acquired in one of a very few ways.

1. Makes savings elsewhere and spend only what you have (preferred)

2. Take more money from people and spend, spend spend. (not preferred)

3. Borrow money and worry about paying it back later. (the greek option)


Don't complain when your taxes are increased if all you do is demand 'free stuff' from the government.


Most parasites learn to not kill or irritate their hosts.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:24am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold? None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT? So if that's true, why didn't Swan do anything about it? He had ample time and opportunity. It's not like he couldn't have passed any legislation he wanted to.

The Senate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:23am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:15am: Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:14am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:04am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:02am: If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system bulls1t. Thats the private health industries and libs scare tactics, with little basis on truth Let me dumb it down for you, dumb-dumb. If you lower the rebate, private health insurers will have no choice other than to increase fees because contrary to your erroneous beliefs, medical care costs a lot of money. So when the fees for private health care rise, many who can only just afford it will be forced back onto the public health system, putting further pressure on it. This will also lead to a decrease in the level of healthcare for patients as they endure longer wait times. Better idea dummy is shut down the Private Health Insurance scam and put the money into medicare they could expand medicare to cover dental as well and still have money left over! Do you even know what the waiting time is to see a dentist in the public system? Good idea, dummy! You're really not the sharpest tool in the shed when you post crap like that. Do you even know how Medicare works? With the amount of money the Federal Budget spends on the PHI rebate, we could fund $300 of basic dental care a year for every person in the country. Medicare Dental is affordable. Great, so it's cheaper and the waiting times blow out even further. I used to live in Newcastle and to see a dentist in the public system entailed waiting 4-6 months. That's how far out in advance the dentists were booked out. That's before your magical plan. Imagine how long the waiting time would be under your plan.

You still don't get it. You really should work out how Medicare works before posting more of your stupid nonsense. It's been in place for more than 30 years, and you STILL haven't worked out how it works? Are you being stupid on purpose or is there a village missing its idiot?

Is there a four-month waiting time to see a doctor because they charge to Medicare? NO. There ISN'T. Why would Medicare dental care be any different? Medicare dental would lead to SHORTER waiting times for public dental, not longer, and only those procedures not covered by Medicare would even need this. Otherwise, people would be able to access PRIVATE dentists, just like they access PRIVATE doctors.

Valkie wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:20am:

2) Serious reduction or better still removal of politician and senior public service asset test free pensions.

More information please.

aquascoot wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:47am:

There is a massive problem with the "senate". In order for the herd to prosper, the alpha male at the top has to be able to decide on herd policy and the beta's have to be forced into line (for their own good). the betas (essentially sheep) are under constant threat from the wolves and the alpha needs the freedom to do what is necessary to keep the wolves away. But the senate are a corrupting influence on this time honoured and tested system. the senate , by interefering in "natural law" put the sheep at risk. for example, by not allowing alpha male Scott Morrison to run the paddock correctly, the "wolves" (in this case asian businesses) are slowly eating the sheep. The wolves are buying the pasture from under the noses of the sheep, who will be relegated to poorer and poorer pastures. Whilst the wolves live on prime pasture in inner sydney, the sheep will be forced out to dry paddocks in western sydney and they will be slave labour to the new alphas, that scott could not keep at bay. So the senate , is actively working against the interests of Scott but in doing so, is actively seeing the sheep get cheered off the cliff. its time the sheep woke up and told the senate to leave it to scott. but they are sheep, so this wont happen. poor scott...he wants to protect them but he cant.  i guess they'll just have to die of starvation

Why doews it always come down to ALPHA this and ALPHA that?

As for the herd.
They are culling the horsies because there are too many of them.
Perhaps we need to consider similar actions for our pollies and pubic servants.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold?

As usual the LNP & it lackies expect those with the least to fund those with the most.

To answer your question NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS CORPORATE TAX REBATES (50 billion reported only Monday)

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tax-sink-hole-gas-multinationals-claim-50-billion-more-in-relief-credits-in-a-year-20170213-gubmfv.html

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:02am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:54am: Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability. I agree Smithy....If the private health care rebate, superannuation concessions, negative gearing and capitol gains tax where all reigned in as the ALP proposed their would be no funding shortfall for the NDIS....The priority for the LNP is being re elected not looking after the disabled who do not vote for them!!! >:( >:( >:( If you lower or axe the private health care rebate, then you will increase pressure on the public system. Better to pay a little to have people in private health care than to pay a lot for more people to use the public system.

How so?  All the private hospitals will still get their well-heeled clients, and they will still get rebates ONLY.... let the business model be as business model and not a social business model as and when it suits.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:24am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold? None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT? So if that's true, why didn't Swan do anything about it? He had ample time and opportunity. It's not like he couldn't have passed any legislation he wanted to.

How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT?

Morriscum could easily pay for the NDIS by abolishing negative gearing but it's obvious that hoarding old dumps built decades ago is more important than the welfare of disadvantaged people !!

Bam wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:28am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:33am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:24am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold? None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT? So if that's true, why didn't Swan do anything about it? He had ample time and opportunity. It's not like he couldn't have passed any legislation he wanted to. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT?

So you want to massively increase taxes to pay for your 'free' stuff'?


And you think 'the rich' aren't smart enough to find a way around our sh1t fight of a tax system to not pay those taxes anyway.


What a brilliant plan, you should run this country all on your own.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

So you want to massively increase taxes to pay for your 'free' stuff'? And you think 'the rich' aren't smart enough to find a way around our sh1t fight of a tax system to not pay those taxes anyway. What a brilliant plan, you should run this country all on your own.

So what's your ideas
Eugenics?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:26pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So you want to massively increase taxes to pay for your 'free' stuff'? And you think 'the rich' aren't smart enough to find a way around our sh1t fight of a tax system to not pay those taxes anyway. What a brilliant plan, you should run this country all on your own. So what's your ideas Eugenics?

I stated the options early, it included raising taxes, but it would be everyone's taxes, not just the ones smart enough and rich enough to avoid them.

Spend less

Tax more

Borrow more


Free stuff provided by the government is always fkken expensive.

Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth

Its time wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth

That link DSmithy put up showing $50B in subsidies to gas companies is ridiculous. What the fkk is wrong with these damn politicians?  We're paying them to take our gas instead of the other way around. if you ran a business like that you'd be broke within a month. No wonder they have no money to help the poor.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:29pm: Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth That link DSmithy put up showing $50B in subsidies to gas companies is ridiculous. What the fkk is wrong with these damn politicians?  We're paying them to take our gas instead of the other way around. if you ran a business like that you'd be broke within a month. No wonder they have no money to help the poor.

Libs wont be doing anything about that

Its time wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Its time wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:29pm: Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth That link DSmithy put up showing $50B in subsidies to gas companies is ridiculous. What the fkk is wrong with these damn politicians?  We're paying them to take our gas instead of the other way around. if you ran a business like that you'd be broke within a month. No wonder they have no money to help the poor. Libs wont be doing anything about that

Because it is not true.

The 2015 total subsidies for coal, petroleum and gas was less that $50 bil. So you lot of Nancys are as gullible as children.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

Because it is not true.

of course not ... I know, lets call them tax credits and hope that no one notices. :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Because it is not true. of course not ... I know, lets call them tax credits and hope that no one notices. :D :D :D

You mean those tax credits that are assessable income? ;)


OH, You mean tax credits for money spent.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:29pm: Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth That link DSmithy put up showing $50B in subsidies to gas companies is ridiculous. What the fkk is wrong with these damn politicians?  We're paying them to take our gas instead of the other way around. if you ran a business like that you'd be broke within a month. No wonder they have no money to help the poor.

The PRRT was designed by one Craig Emerson and passed into law in 1987. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:33pm: Its time wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:29pm: Im happy to pay more tax if it helps those who need it , i will say i find it remarkable that we can spend 50 billion on subs and 80 billion on planes and keep a straight face whilst we stick the boots in to down trodden in these times of record underemployment and unemployment and low growth That link DSmithy put up showing $50B in subsidies to gas companies is ridiculous. What the fkk is wrong with these damn politicians?  We're paying them to take our gas instead of the other way around. if you ran a business like that you'd be broke within a month. No wonder they have no money to help the poor. The PRRT was designed by one Craig Emerson and passed into law in 1987. ;)

No doubt to the howls of protest by Costello & Howard, how it would stifle investment, cost jobs, you know the same CRAP they sprout now.

Remember the outpouring & hand-wringing over poor Gina with the MRRT.

I don't give a stuff who brought it in or who has let it remain.

They are flogging our LNG off for commercial rates, paying us a pittance THEN claiming 50 BIL off their tax

Pay the 50 Bil
Pay a decent rate for the LNG in the 1st place

1 or the other


Quote:

Having just spent $200 billion over the best part of a decade to become the world's biggest exporter of LNG, Australia is now looking down the barrel of having to import gas for domestic users.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-24/having-spent-200b-to-export-lng-is-australia-about-to-import/8055164


Quote:

Energy bills could be about to rise significantly over the next few years, new research shows. Domestic energy producers are connecting with wholesale exporters of gas as part of Australia's transition to become one of the biggest exporters of LNG. However, big multinational LNG companies are facing significantly higher costs, and those costs are expected to be passed on to local suppliers and, ultimately, Australian households.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-18/energy-bills-could-rise-economist-warns/8191006

And don't bullshit me we cant afford Gonski or the NDIS

lee wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:14pm: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Because it is not true. of course not ... I know, lets call them tax credits and hope that no one notices. :D :D :D You mean those tax credits that are assessable income? ;) no they're not OH, You mean tax credits for money spent.

and then some


you ever wonder why Qatar, who export roughly the same amount of gas as us, earn $26B in tax revenue from the sale of their gas, and we earn only $800m?




lee wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

The PRRT was designed by one Craig Emerson and passed into law in 1987. Wink

actually, it was designed by Ross Garnaut ....... and in 15 yrs of coalition govt. since it hasn't changed it?
despite the govt. being told the original PRRT was designed for specifically for oil, not gas. :D :D :D
:D :D :D


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-30/prrt-review-needed-to-recoup-tax-earlier/8080862

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:14pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Because it is not true. of course not ... I know, lets call them tax credits and hope that no one notices. :D :D :D

Call the subsidies what ever you want, it is still not true.


If you socialists didn't claim tax write off as handout you would not even have an argument to present.

There is no $50 bil subsidy for the gas industry, that statement is a load of sh1t.



All up, coal, petroleum and gas are subsidised to about $40 bill for all three.


The government is getting all the money it is going to get unless it starts screwing more money out of the taxpayer. It will do this to provide 'free' dental back to those very same taxpayers, less 20% handling fee.

You people need to stop demanding free stuff from the government, it is fkking expensive and the people and entities you want to pay for it will not be doing the paying.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

The government is getting all the money it is going to get unless

unless you wake up to the bullsh1t you are being fed


Qatar $26B in tax revenue
Australia $800m in tax revenue


they're not even close. And don't tell me they won't invest :D :D :D ... they seem to have no trouble investing in qatar

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

You people need to stop demanding free stuff from the government, it is fkking expensive and the people and entities you want to pay for it will not be doing the paying.

Funny how when its free stuff for business we cannot only afford it, governments tell us its good for us.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:54pm: The government is getting all the money it is going to get unless unless you wake up to the bullsh1t you are being fed Qatar $26B in tax revenue Australia $800m in tax revenue they're not even close. And don't tell me they won't invest :D :D :D ... they seem to have no trouble investing in qatar

I have no idea why; you have not posted your evidence for review, so it is impossible to argue against such a simplistic statement.


First up, the states own the resources and you are arguing about what the fed does or gets, it seems a little in-congruent.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:19pm:

you have not posted your evidence for review,

someone put it up a couple of weeks ago ... funny how you have no idea, you commented on it at the time.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:35pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:19pm: you have not posted your evidence for review, someone put it up a couple of weeks ago ... funny how you have no idea, you commented on it at the time.

I commented on a lot of things a couple of weeks ago, none of which I fully committed to memory, so your post is no more special than anyone else's in that regard.


It looks like someone is trying to compare apples with house bricks in this case, so that is prolly what I commented on.

All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax..

Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens

But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in

red baron wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in

Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait ..............


Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well.

Are you going to vote ?

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 3:40pm:

actually, it was designed by Ross Garnaut ....... and in 15 yrs of coalition govt. since it hasn't changed it? despite the govt. being told the original PRRT was designed for specifically for oil, not gas.

I guess Craig Emerson is just bignoting himself then.

"Mr Emerson – who designed the petroleum resource rent tax with economist Ross Garnaut in the Hawke government – believes particular scrutiny should be given to extra concessions won by the oil and gas sector since the tax was first imposed on offshore projects in the mid-1980s."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-minister-craig-emerson-urges-inquiry-into-lng-tax-revenue-hole-20161117-gsrd90.html


And don't forget the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Government. They couldn't even do a reasonable job of RSPT.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you?

Oh he does know Armchair Politician.

He's been faking disability for the past 20 yrs.

But the ratbag is more than able to sit online 24/7 and type on a computer. Go figure.  :o

Its time wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well. Are you going to vote ?

Let's not get carried away with this.

I don't vote, I make sure no matter what happens I have my sh1t squared away.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well.

Vested interests get in the way of good policy....irrespective of which government is in office.

lee wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 3:40pm: actually, it was designed by Ross Garnaut ....... and in 15 yrs of coalition govt. since it hasn't changed it? despite the govt. being told the original PRRT was designed for specifically for oil, not gas. I guess Craig Emerson is just bignoting himself then. "Mr Emerson – who designed the petroleum resource rent tax with economist Ross Garnaut in the Hawke government – believes particular scrutiny should be given to extra concessions won by the oil and gas sector since the tax was first imposed on offshore projects in the mid-1980s." http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-minister-craig-emerson-urges-inquiry-into-lng-tax-revenue-hole-20161117-gsrd90.html And don't forget the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Government. They couldn't even do a reasonable job of RSPT.

gee, I guess politicians have never taken credit for others work before now  :D :D :D

rudd / gillard had abbots help in stuffing up the RSPT

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Oh he does know Armchair Politician. He's been faking disability for the past 20 yrs. But the ratbag is more than able to sit online 24/7 and type on a computer. Go figure.  :o

there's your doorbell again ... must be your next customer .... hurry up, put your teeth in and your lippy on

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 5:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:56pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Oh he does know Armchair Politician. He's been faking disability for the past 20 yrs. But the ratbag is more than able to sit online 24/7 and type on a computer. Go figure.  :o there's your doorbell again ... must be your next customer .... hurry up, put your teeth in and your lippy on

I don't have a doorbell.

It must be yours.

Run along and put your pants on. You've spent all day wanking away online again....expecting the taxpayer to foot your wankfest.

It's not gonna continue for much longer.  ;)

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 5:34pm:

rudd / gillard had abbots help in stuffing up the RSPT

They invited him onto the design team? ::)

lee wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:34pm: rudd / gillard had abbots help in stuffing up the RSPT They invited him onto the design team? ::)

nothing wrong with the original design ... it was the changes they made after that were a problem.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 5:39pm:

I don't have a doorbell.

you don't have a brain either ... you play the cards you are dealt

Craig Emerson's role in PRRT

"Garnaut, R. with Emerson, C., 1984, "Mineral Leasing Policy: Competitive Bidding and the Resource Rent Tax Given Various Responses to Risk", The Economic Record, June, Volume 60 (169), pp133-142. "

"Emerson, C. and Lloyd, P., 1981, Improving mineral taxation policy in Australia, Centre for Economic Policy Research ANU, Canberra. "

whiteknight wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:54am:

Treasurer threatens tax hike to fund NDIS February 15, 2017 News.com.au     Treasurer Scott Morrison has threatened to increase taxes if a raft of welfare cuts worth billions of dollars are blocked by the Senate.   :-? The government expected to generate $5.6 billion in savings through its welfare omnibus bill - which appears certain to fail - earmarking $1.6 billion for childcare fee subsidies and the remaining $4 billion for the National Disability Insurance Scheme. "If you don't fund it (the NDIS) by getting welfare under control, you've got two other options, increase taxes or increase debt," Mr Morrison told News Corp. Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill, leaving only One Nation in favour.   :) The treasurer said price fluctuations meant the government could not rely on a spike in iron ore revenues to bankroll spending and achieve structural change. "If the parliament is going to insist that the government spend more and more money, particularly on welfare, then someone has to pay for that." he told Sky News Business on Tuesday. There were only two options to do so, and finding savings was the government's first preference. "But if you don't do that, you've either got to have higher debt - which is a tax on your children - or you have to do it with other revenue measures.

Hi sir Crook,
notice the Govt. never talks about reducing public service wages?

They can't take the public servants off the gravy train but they
can tax all the rest of us or slug welfare recipients.

John Smith wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

lee wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:45pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 5:34pm: rudd / gillard had abbots help in stuffing up the RSPT They invited him onto the design team? ::) nothing wrong with the original design ... it was the changes they made after that were a problem.

You mean like the refundability on losses?

I can see any government doing that. ;)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:54am:

Only a true C@#t would pit those on welfare against those with a disability.

You know it is Scott who said it, there was never a doubt about his qualifications in that area.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well.

You seem to have not noticed who it is that wants to steal from the poor and if he can't get away with that he will just tax them more instead ?

Nothing to do with Labor at all.

Notice the Govt. never talks about reducing public service wages?

They can't take the public servants off the gravy train but they
can tax all the rest of us or slug welfare recipients.

Meanwhile the CEO of Australia post gets $5.6M per annum.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:30pm:

whiteknight wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:54am: Treasurer threatens tax hike to fund NDIS February 15, 2017 News.com.au     Treasurer Scott Morrison has threatened to increase taxes if a raft of welfare cuts worth billions of dollars are blocked by the Senate.   :-? The government expected to generate $5.6 billion in savings through its welfare omnibus bill - which appears certain to fail - earmarking $1.6 billion for childcare fee subsidies and the remaining $4 billion for the National Disability Insurance Scheme. "If you don't fund it (the NDIS) by getting welfare under control, you've got two other options, increase taxes or increase debt," Mr Morrison told News Corp. Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill, leaving only One Nation in favour.   :) The treasurer said price fluctuations meant the government could not rely on a spike in iron ore revenues to bankroll spending and achieve structural change. "If the parliament is going to insist that the government spend more and more money, particularly on welfare, then someone has to pay for that." he told Sky News Business on Tuesday. There were only two options to do so, and finding savings was the government's first preference. "But if you don't do that, you've either got to have higher debt - which is a tax on your children - or you have to do it with other revenue measures. Hi sir Crook, notice the Govt. never talks about reducing public service wages? They can't take the public servants off the gravy train but they can tax all the rest of us or slug welfare recipients.

yes so many public servants and yet none of them can run the electricity grid so they have to flog it off to private scammers to rip us off :(

Dnarever wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well. You seem to have not noticed who it is that wants to steal from the poor and if he can't get away with that he will just tax them more instead ? Nothing to do with Labor at all.

But labor could have fixed the problem I was actually commenting on (I even highlighted it), but they did nothing; so yes it is nothing to do with labor at all. The do nothing, nothing to see here, not our problem, party.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:30pm: whiteknight wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 6:54am: Treasurer threatens tax hike to fund NDIS February 15, 2017 News.com.au     Treasurer Scott Morrison has threatened to increase taxes if a raft of welfare cuts worth billions of dollars are blocked by the Senate.   :-? The government expected to generate $5.6 billion in savings through its welfare omnibus bill - which appears certain to fail - earmarking $1.6 billion for childcare fee subsidies and the remaining $4 billion for the National Disability Insurance Scheme. "If you don't fund it (the NDIS) by getting welfare under control, you've got two other options, increase taxes or increase debt," Mr Morrison told News Corp. Labor, the Greens, the Nick Xenophon Team and Jacqui Lambie have all signalled they will reject the bill, leaving only One Nation in favour.   :) The treasurer said price fluctuations meant the government could not rely on a spike in iron ore revenues to bankroll spending and achieve structural change. "If the parliament is going to insist that the government spend more and more money, particularly on welfare, then someone has to pay for that." he told Sky News Business on Tuesday. There were only two options to do so, and finding savings was the government's first preference. "But if you don't do that, you've either got to have higher debt - which is a tax on your children - or you have to do it with other revenue measures. Hi sir Crook, notice the Govt. never talks about reducing public service wages? They can't take the public servants off the gravy train but they can tax all the rest of us or slug welfare recipients. yes so many public servants and yet none of them can run the electricity grid so they have to flog it off to private scammers to rip us off :(

And be left with blackouts -

where all the politicians will be pointing fingers at each other.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:17pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 11:28am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:33am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:24am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22am: Bam wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:18am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:01am: John Smith wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:59am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 7:56am: Umm, it's $5.6 billion in welfare payments that are going to people who do not qualify for it. what a load of rubbish. If they didn't qualify for it they wouldn't be getting it you fool. Oh you poor misguided fool. You really have no idea how easy it is to dupe the system, do you? Which system? The corporate tax system where $30 billion a year of tax savings can be found without even breaking a sweat? That system? How many billions does the government lose each year because of Swan tripling the tax-free threshold? None. After accounting for inflation, the tax free threshold has the same value it had in 1983. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT? So if that's true, why didn't Swan do anything about it? He had ample time and opportunity. It's not like he couldn't have passed any legislation he wanted to. How many billions does the government lose each year because of Costello cutting taxes on the rich and cutting the CGT? So you want to massively increase taxes to pay for your 'free' stuff'? And you think 'the rich' aren't smart enough to find a way around our sh1t fight of a tax system to not pay those taxes anyway. What a brilliant plan, you should run this country all on your own.

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red baron wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:50pm:

All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in

Exactly ... the company tax cut is unfunded, so why go ahead with it? It's not going to create anywhere near the number of jobs that the government claims.

For about the same amount of money, the government could implement a job guarantee and create real jobs for half a million people. What effect would it have on the economy to put half a million people into full time work? A lot more than this company tax cut where the benefits will be mostly retained by the companies as extra profits. If anyone thinks companies are going to hire half a million people they don't need, they are in need of remedial economics. It's just more trickle down nonsense.

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BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait ..............

... as bigoldfool realises that Labor's been in office for six of the past 20 years ... and the Liberals have been in office for 14 of the past 20 years and done fsckall. Open up your LEFT eye, maybe you'll see something you're missing.


BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well.

And the Liberals will fix it? Bahahahahah!! PMSL! Why aren't they fixing it, idiot?

In fact, the liberals CREATED many of the problems. Howard's government allowed companies to deduct debt on all of their global operations in Australia, so they loaded up on debt here to evade tax, good idea, NOT.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

Notice the Govt. never talks about reducing public service wages? They can't take the public servants off the gravy train but they can tax all the rest of us or slug welfare recipients. Meanwhile the CEO of Australia post gets $5.6M per annum.

The CEO of Australia Post would be paying himself MUCH less if he had to be directly accountable to the voters.

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:25am:

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. ... as bigoldfool realises that Labor's been in office for six of the past 20 years ... and the Liberals have been in office for 14 of the past 20 years and done fsckall. Open up your LEFT eye, maybe you'll see something you're missing. BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well. And the Liberals will fix it? Bahahahahah!! PMSL! Why aren't they fixing it, idiot? In fact, the liberals CREATED many of the problems. Howard's government allowed companies to deduct debt on all of their global operations in Australia, so they loaded up on debt here to evade tax, good idea, NOT.

You are the one hysterically demanding big companies pay more taxes, not me; and at least you acknowledge that in 6 whole years in power the labor party did absolutely nothing to make that happen.

Keep crying like a little b1tch baby and see how that works out for ya.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 11:12am:

Bam wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:25am: BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: red baron wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:50pm: All the Liberals have to do is not to go ahead with the slashing of company tax.. Or they could take a giant step and make the global businesses here start paying their share of tax instead of shipping the profit overseas to shelf companies in tax havens But that would upset the Big End of town..why do that when you can kick the little guy's heads in Like labor did when they spent all those years in power, oh wait .............. ... as bigoldfool realises that Labor's been in office for six of the past 20 years ... and the Liberals have been in office for 14 of the past 20 years and done fsckall. Open up your LEFT eye, maybe you'll see something you're missing. BigOl64 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 4:53pm: Don't point fingers at the liberals when your precious labor did absolutely fkk all about the problem when they were in power and will do in the future as well. And the Liberals will fix it? Bahahahahah!! PMSL! Why aren't they fixing it, idiot? In fact, the liberals CREATED many of the problems. Howard's government allowed companies to deduct debt on all of their global operations in Australia, so they loaded up on debt here to evade tax, good idea, NOT. You are the one hysterically demanding big companies pay more taxes, not me; and at least you acknowledge that in 6 whole years in power the labor party did absolutely nothing to make that happen.

I have not advocated an increase to the company tax rate, and I have made many posts stating that the Parliament can get the company tax rate to 25% by scrapping various forms of corporate welfare. Another straw man post from you.

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You are not acknowledging that the Liberals are doing SFA to fix the problems and have done nothing at all in the past 20 years. Why won't you admit this? Looks like you're one of those small-minded partisan hacks who simply cannot admit that your beloved Liberals are a bunch of do-nothing grubs.