"I don’t think it’s morally evil to own somebody."

"A male owner of a female slave has the right to sexual access to her.”

These views don’t come from an ISIS underground bunker, but out of the brilliantly lit halls of Georgetown University where rape and slavery are defended by an Islamic studies professor."

. . . ."I don’t think it’s morally evil to own somebody,” (Prof)Jonathan Brown explained to attendees at his lecture. “Slavery cannot just be treated as a moral evil in and of itself.”

. . . ."To a man who argued that slavery was wrong, Brown retorted, “How can you say, if you’re Muslim, the Prophet of God had slaves. He had slaves. There’s no denying that. Was he—are you more morally mature than the Prophet of God? No you’re not.”

Slavery can’t be wrong. Not if Mohammed, the prophet of Allah and founder of Islam, had slaves. The Koran is the touchstone of Brown’s personal morality, as it is of every Muslim.

Mohammed was the perfect man and a role model for all Muslims. Therefore rape and child abuse can’t be wrong either. Not when the founder of Islam was both a rapist and a pedophile."

Read full article:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265794/rape-and-slavery-no-campus-will-condemn-daniel-greenfield

Quote:

During his talk at Georgetown University, Jonathan A.C. Brown condemned slavery when it took place historically in America and other Western countries,            but praised the practise of slavery as it happened in Muslim societies,            explained that Muslim slaves lived "a pretty good life", and claimed that it is "not immoral for one human to own another human." Regarding the vexed matter of whether it is right or wrong to have sex with one of your slaves, Brown, who is director of the Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, said that "consent isn't necessary for lawful sex".

Google


bogarde,

Could i just posit on this forum,        that it is obvious that (Prof)Jonathan Brown holds extremely 'progressive' views !

LOL


QUESTION;
Any Lefties here on OzPol want to express that they concur with the opinion of the good Prof ?






HEY, BRIAN,

(Prof)Jonathan Brown must be a Christian eh ?

[(Prof)Jonathan Brown] 'who is director of the Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding'



Well, if (Prof)Jonathan Brown is tolerant of ISLAM,       then he can't be all bad [even if he is a Christian],         eh Brian !!!!!

:D

They'll choose to concur tacitly.

David Horowitz.

He blamed slavery on black Africans abetted by dark-skinned Arabs, didn't he?

Did he? Go away and find it and post it. We'll all be interested.
Of course among the worst enemies of the African slaves were and still are the Arab slave traders together with their own tribal chiefs.

But what about the subject matter? Is this true that the Koran or Quran or Arab Crazy Book tells muslims they can have sex slaves and child sexual objects?
I don't know so I'm interested to hear rebuttals of this article.
Maybe this professor is just another LW crazy. There are so many of them about these days.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frederic Bastiat





It is an article of faith of ISLAM,      that the lands and the possessions of all other peoples, belong to moslems.


"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44


"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27



ISLAM is a creed which teaches, to the moslem, that the whole world belongs to him.

And that all that the moslem need do, is to take what is his - that is what ISLAM teaches to moslems.

And how are moslems encouraged, to take what is theirs ?


Google;
"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad,...."
- Sheik Feiz Mohammed



Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220


".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062





It is SATAN's creed

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Did he?

Pretty sure he did.

He's a bit of a racist.

I have a working relationship with Satan. He/She doesn't bother me with things like conscience or bad luck . . .so far. I don't annoy Him/Her by throwing salt over my shoulder.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

I have a working relationship with Satan. He/She doesn't bother me with things like conscience or bad luck . . .so far. I don't annoy Him/Her by throwing salt over my shoulder.

bogarde,

All men 'accommodate' SATAN, to some degree.

It is just the nature of the beast [the flesh],       and it is what we all do,       this world has taught every one of us, that we need to 'go along, to get along'         [to get what we want, and to get what our flesh desires].


But do we ?


John 12:42
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43  For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.


And look what Jesus fate was !!!!!!!              :o

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

David Horowitz. He blamed slavery on black Africans abetted by dark-skinned Arabs, didn't he?

And he was quite correct - except for the 'Arabs' bit (I think).

The slave trade could never have become an industry but for a series of coastal tribes who captured Africans and passed them 'down the line' to the embarkation ports. American Negroes now visitting these ports are astonished to hear for the first time from African tourist guides that there were more than 10 times the number of blacks involved in the people-trafficking business than there were whites.

It was Africans themselves who delivered all those thousands of blacks to the slave ports for white man's goodies. 

I've seen the documentary.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:41pm: Did he? Pretty sure he did. He's a bit of a racist.

But what about the subject matter as I asked?
Don't want to get into that one?
A rebuttal would be good.

PS Doesn't matter really. Gandalf will be along sometime. I have invaded his mosque and brought viewers, probably still with their shoes on.
He'll have something to say about this bloke and the truth of it all or not.

And of course that other Islamist, Brian whatshisname, he'll have his two bobs worth I expect, littered with his usual abusive language and threats. Very Islamic.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:48pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:41pm: Did he? Pretty sure he did. He's a bit of a racist. But what about the subject matter as I asked?

Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 1:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:48pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:41pm: Did he? Pretty sure he did. He's a bit of a racist. But what about the subject matter as I asked? Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it.

Because Muhammed practiced slavery (it was both an economic and sexual cornerstone of his empire) Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong.

That's why it was so difficult to eradicate slavery from the Muslim world, and why it is still not fully complete.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 1:50pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 1:29pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:48pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:41pm: Did he? Pretty sure he did. He's a bit of a racist. But what about the subject matter as I asked? Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it. Because Muhammed practiced slavery (it was both an economic and sexual cornerstone of his empire) Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong. That's why it was so difficult to eradicate slavery from the Muslim world, and why it is still not fully complete.

Some "Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong".

Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it.

That's true, Bogie. The leftards don't care about Muslim slavery and rape, but they'll throw a hissy-fit if Mr Tump does it.

Typical hypocrisy of the left.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it.

I can show you many.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many.

Do it.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it.

No probs.

Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them.

;D

Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh?

Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things?

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things?

They have no problem with questions.

When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand.

Excuse me, who here has a problem answering questions?

Please explain.

Karnal wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Excuse me, who here has a problem answering questions? Please explain.

Well, FD always answers questions in a prompt and concise manner, so it can't be him.

I'll have to get back to you on that one.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Excuse me, who here has a problem answering questions? Please explain. Well, FD always answers questions in a prompt and concise manner, so it can't be him. I'll have to get back to you on that one.

Oh, I see. Thanks for answering that, Gregggery. We asked FD himself if he answers questions, but for some reason, he wouldn't say.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand.

Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things?

Karnal wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:05pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Excuse me, who here has a problem answering questions? Please explain. Well, FD always answers questions in a prompt and concise manner, so it can't be him. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Oh, I see. Thanks for answering that, Gregggery. We asked FD himself if he answers questions, but for some reason, he wouldn't say.

Hmm, that's unusual.

Next thing, he'll be answering questions with questions.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:09pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:05pm: Karnal wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Excuse me, who here has a problem answering questions? Please explain. Well, FD always answers questions in a prompt and concise manner, so it can't be him. I'll have to get back to you on that one. Oh, I see. Thanks for answering that, Gregggery. We asked FD himself if he answers questions, but for some reason, he wouldn't say. Hmm, that's unusual. Next thing, he'll be answering questions with questions.

He wouldn't do that, I'm sure. We'll ask him, shall we?

FD, would you do something as cunning and mendacious as answering a question with a question?

Let's wait and see, Greggery. We'll do the right thing and see hear what FD has to say for himself.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:07pm:

Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it.

.




greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many.

IF WE FOUND A MOSLEM WILLING TO DECLARE THAT SLAVERY IS ALWAYS WRONG.....

By making that public declaration,       that moslem, would be publicly denying the absolute authority, that ISLAMIC law has, over the life of the moslem and his community.

It would be a declaration of actual, personal, apostasy.



The idea is an absurdity.

Every moslem knows that.

Every moslem knows, that a moslem can NEVER, EVER, publicly [and sincerely] deny the absolute authority, that ISLAMIC law has, over his life,        and remain a bona fide moslem.





"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

Anyone who tells you they ask awkward questions of their Muslim 'friends' or workmates is lying to you. Any attempt at embarrassing them with compromising questions would very quickly see you being ostracized by them.

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things?

Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself?

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things? Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself?

What I really want you to do is answer a question once in a while.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:11pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things? Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself? What I really want you to do is answer a question once in a while.

Is there any point me meeting these Muslim friends of yours? Have you just made it all up and projected on to them what you really want Muslims to think?

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:11pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things? Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself? What I really want you to do is answer a question once in a while. Is there any point me meeting these Muslim friends of yours? Have you just made it all up and projected on to them what you really want Muslims to think?

I haven't made up a thing.

I regularly speak to Muslims.

I ask them questions.

When you finally meet one, you'll see just how approachable they are.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:11pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things? Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself? What I really want you to do is answer a question once in a while. Is there any point me meeting these Muslim friends of yours? Have you just made it all up and projected on to them what you really want Muslims to think? I haven't made up a thing. I regularly speak to Muslims. I ask them questions. When you finally meet one, you'll see just how approachable they are.

That is correct greggery.

All the moslems i have met have been polite and personable people.





IMAGE.....
http://www.flameministries.org/Belitz/Fr%20Justin%20Belitz.jpg

QUESTION;
Is the moslem in the West, a wolf, posing as a sheep ?

Or are the vast majority of moslems in the West, all peace-loving and honest folk ?




FOR A CLUE, LOOK HERE.

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In a BBC poll, 45% of British moslems are willing to admit, that encouraging 'extremism' [i.e. terrorism] is mainstream within ISLAM, and within their community!!!

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https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx




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OR, LOOK HERE !!!!!

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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:13pm: freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:11pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:30pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:25pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:22pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:10pm: freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2017 at 8:07pm: Show me a Muslim who is prepared to say that slavery is always wrong, even when Muhammed does it. I can show you many. Do it. No probs. Look me up when you're in Perth, and I'll introduce you to them. ;D Just don't ask them any tricky questions about Muhammed and slavery eh? Are you aware of any Muslims who think this and are prepared to go on the public record, or is this some secret society of Muslims who think Muhammed did evil things? They have no problem with questions. When you finally meet a Muslim, you'll understand. Have any of them said to you that they think Muhammed did evil things? Pecca? Do you really want me to go to the effort of meeting these Muslims only to find out you have completely misrepresented them in some convoluted effort to defend Islam from itself? What I really want you to do is answer a question once in a while. Is there any point me meeting these Muslim friends of yours? Have you just made it all up and projected on to them what you really want Muslims to think? I haven't made up a thing. I regularly speak to Muslims. I ask them questions. When you finally meet one, you'll see just how approachable they are.

What sort of questions do you ask them?

Would you like fries with that?

Or was Muhammed wrong to build an empire on slavery?

Or: are you, or have you ever been, a Moslem?

Ban them.

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Yadda wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

QUESTION; ......are the vast majority of moslems in the West all, virtuous, peace-loving and honest folk ?

Alternatively, if we want to understand the moslem psyche [i.e. "are the vast majority of moslems in the West all, virtuous, peace-loving and honest folk ?"]......

I suggest that we simply look at, scrutinise, every society/nation, in this world, that the moslem psyche has been responsible for making/'bringing into being'.        !!!!!



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QUESTION;
And of all of those nations, which is the very best society/nation, in the whole world, which the moslem psyche has 'brought into being' ?

Out of 100+ moslem majority nations.....

Pick the very, very best one !


QUESTIONS;
Is there open justice there ?

Is there human freedom [of choice] there ?

Is there freedom of religion there ?

Is it a nation which has very little corruption ?

Is it a prosperous nation, because of the efforts of its citizens ?

Is the political system of that nation, a political 'model' which others nations should try to emulate ?




QUESTION;
If moslems can't get there own societies 'right',
then what right do moslems who come to live in the West have,
to try to change our nations into yet another 'perfect' ISLAMIC utopia, by trying to impose Sharia [and by trying to impose their 'virtuous' ISLAMIC societal values] upon those host nations ?