Closing the gap: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist than 25 years ago

The Closing The Gap report should have been a wake up call about the way the government is failing First Australians. It won't be.


In 2001 John Howard was telling Liberal voters to put One Nation last on their ballots. In 2017 the Liberals are making preference deals with them in WA and ridiculously insisting that they're "more sophisticated" now.

Labor senator Penny Wong called shenanigans on this ludicrous claim, arguing that it was the Liberal Party which had changed, but you know what? It's not just the Liberal Party: over the past 25 years Australia as a whole has gotten meaner, dumber and more racist.

This was made crystal clear yesterday when the Closing The Gap report on indigenous health, welfare and education was presented to Parliament, announcing to those MPs which could be bothered showing up that the government was currently on track to fail at just about everything, including six of the seven stated targets to improve life expectancy for indigenous folks.    

The current gap in life expectancy between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians is 10.6 years for men and 9.5 years for women. Child mortality hasn't improved. Unemployment is still almost 50 per cent. Literacy and numeracy is similarly poor.

Both Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten made noises about how disappointing these results were and that clearly action was needed, but let's be honest: nothing will happen.

Why? Because indigenous issues don't win elections, thanks to a quarter century of governments making it OK for Australians to be openly stupid, cruel, and racist.

I turned 18 in 1990 and was in my first year of university in Adelaide: a middle class white boy fresh out of private school. Indigenous affairs were not even remotely on my radar. My knowledge of Australian history, like my peers, went pretty much as follows: Captain Cook, convicts, goldrush, Gallipoli, ANZACs, Bradman, done.

And then I heard Archie Roach's Took The Children Away. That was the first time the Stolen Generation came across my radar, and the more I learnt the more horrified I became.

Then came Yothu Yindi's Treaty, calling out the government's hypocrisy on land rights. It was also when I learnt that Canada had made treaties with their First Peoples, including land rights, proving that it was entirely possible – indeed reasonable – for a grown up country to do so.

Just to send that message home the Kev Carmody/Paul Kelly song From Little Things Big Things Grow appeared a few months later, elegantly telling the story of Vincent Lingiari and the struggle for land rights in four chords. Change seemed in the air.

In 1991 the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody concluded, exposing the nation to heartbreaking reality of state-sanctioned murder, making a suite of recommendations.

And in December 1992 Paul Keating gave his "Redfern Speech", one of the defining moments of his prime ministership, in which he officially acknowledged the wrongs done to the First Australians.

How have things improved since?

In 1998 Pauline Hanson entered Parliament for the first time with a speech that included the assertion that "Along with millions of Australians, I am fed up to the back teeth with the inequalities that are being promoted by the government and paid for by the taxpayer under the assumption that Aboriginals are the most disadvantaged people in Australia." Evidently "dead a decade earlier than other Australians" was some sort of advantage in Hanson's eyes.

And sure, Labor PM Kevin Rudd finally gave an official apology to the Stolen Generation in 2008, which should have been a moment of healing and another chance to kickstart the spluttering engine of reconciliation, but that didn't exactly happen – not least because it was explicitly made clear that there would be no suggestion of any actual compensation for those wronged.

And let's never forget the pack of Liberal Party cretins that made a big deal of walking out on the apology: a team which included such beloved intellectual giants as erotic war novel author Dennis Jensen, Sophie "the only Liberal MP so unpopular that she still lost her seat in the 2013 Coalition landslide" Mirabella, and your Immigration Minister, Peter Dutton: a man inexplicably being touted as possible leadership material.

These days you don't need to hunt too far for bloviating gasbags on talk radio or Sky News insisting that the Stolen Generation never even happened; and if it did happen, that it wasn't nearly as widespread as people say; and if it was that widespread, then it was purely in the best interests of the children; and if it was not in their best interests then it was ages ago anyway and people have to stop using past injustices as excuses for their current predicament.   

There's no sign of a treaty – but our government is bickering over whether we should consider perhaps maybe at some point looking at the wording of how we might include some sort of indigenous recognition in the Constitution, possibly, in the fullness of time. So that's good.

Land rights? Living on traditional lands (which, incidentally, is a pre-requisite for claiming any sort of rights) is a "lifestyle choice", according to Tony Abbott. So then in 2016 the WA government announced plans to cut funding to a number of remote communities which, by an amazing coincidence, all happened to be Aboriginal. What are the odds, eh?

We've seen what happens to people in youth detention in NT - the territory which still has the paternalistic, victim-blaming, openly racist Intervention, which we now know was justified on spurious grounds and yet has remained policy under Labor and Coalition governments. Those royal commission deaths in custody recommendations? Almost entirely ignored.

Abbott also celebrated his tenure as the self proclaimed "Prime Minister for Aboriginal Affairs" by cutting over half a billion dollars from indigenous programs and projects in his first budget. Let the healing begin!

Twenty-five years ago we seemed ready to grow the hell up and reconcile with our complicated and often shameful history and look to a strong future as a united nation. But we decided instead to be cowards – or, more accurately, racists.

Closing the Gap isn't just yet another national shame: it's a tangible reminder of just how far our nation has fallen, and how much further we're eventually going to have to climb back up.



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Yep.
The dumber comes from so-called progressives like you who have been busy screwing up society for a couple of generations.
The racist comes from people like you who would like to consign the white nationalities to re-education camps or worse.
And the meaner, ditto, because you people are so mean-spirited you can't tolerate opinions which don't fit with your view of the world and do your best to shout them down or otherwise suppress them.

So yes, you're quite right.

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:34pm:

Yep. The dumber comes from so-called progressives like you who have been busy screwing up society for a couple of generations. The racist comes from people like you who would like to consign the white nationalities to re-education camps or worse. And the meaner, ditto, because you people are so mean-spirited you can't tolerate opinions which don't fit with your view of the world and do your best to shout them down or otherwise suppress them. So yes, you're quite right.

Case in point.

With 25 years of group polarization, accelerated by the internet and advances in propaganda technology, this observation is not exactly surprising.

Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress. 

when will the left pack up and leave this god forsaken country that they cannot find a decent thing to print about.. >:( >:(

I am sick to death of reading complaint after complaint...

whinging aborigines is nothing new...

but now we have shortarse talking about poisoned wells and blankets ....

why not put a bullet in every white persons head and be done with it Bill????

as for the SMh .. what exactly have they ever done to change things????...

did saying sorry change a bloody thing?

......what about MABO..??? what about the billions over years and years of demands.?

they were even given their own management ATSIC.. and a fine mess they made of that.....again everything that is done is turned into the  white mans fault....

why because the Aborigine Industry  live in the past and refuse to move forward.. refuse to meet the govt halfway.



did the smh bring this up during the rudd/gillard years??????.....

what about all those Labor State govts??????.. what are they doing...

lets hear one of them tell the Aboriginals to move forward they  will never move forward carrying that rock of self pity on their backs.. >:( >:(

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:01pm:

With 25 years of group polarization, accelerated by the internet and advances in propaganda technology, this observation is not exactly surprising. Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.

WHERE.. you must have knowledge of where exactly this HATRED is so prevalent...

just a hint will do..

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:06pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:01pm: With 25 years of group polarization, accelerated by the internet and advances in propaganda technology, this observation is not exactly surprising. Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.  WHERE.. you must have knowledge of where exactly this HATRED is so prevalent... just a hint will do..

Erm...havent ou noticed that "righties" and "lefties" are not exactly civil towards one another?

I was watching the Aboriginal Broadcasting Commission the other day and two knob ends were discussing the Oscars. One knob end said to the other knob end, "It seems it's going to be a much less white Oscars this year". The other knob end said, "That's got to be a good thing".  I take that to mean that white Americans who make up three quarters of the population should be forced to watch African-Americans (like Denzel Washington playing a cowboy in a western-WTF?). The same sort of anti-white sentiment is occurring all throughout western, Christian countries. As being born white is THE sin of the 21st century, all races, religions and cultures of the world should be celebrated for their exotic, old world appeal and while anything even remotely 'white' should be demonised. This is the sort of racism to which you refer, isn't it Mothballs?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:18pm:

I was watching the Aboriginal Broadcasting Commission the other day and two knob ends were discussing the Oscars. One knob end said to the other knob end, "It seems it's going to be a much less white Oscars this year". The other knob end said, "That's got to be a good thing".  I take that to mean that white Americans who make up three quarters of the population should be forced to watch African-Americans (like Denzel Washington playing a cowboy in a western-WTF?). The same sort of anti-white sentiment is occurring all throughout western, Christian countries. As being born white is THE sin of the 21st century, all races, religions and cultures of the world should be celebrated for their exotic, old world appeal and while anything even remotely 'white' should be demonised. This is the sort of racism to which you refer, isn't it Mothballs?

There is a reason why people in positions of power aren't given advantages, Hammer.

See if you can work out why?

So Anglo-saxons should turn their backs on their heritage because it offends minorities. Got it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

So Anglo-saxons should turn their backs on their heritage because it offends minorities. Got it.

No, not because it offends minorities - because it offends lefties, who have adopted minorities as weapons with which to attack righties.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:01pm:

Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.

Good work, Honky. This has been your objective all along, no?

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:27pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:01pm: Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.  Good work, Honky. This has been your objective all along, no?

Not me mate. 

All I want is to be left alone, im not looking to implement year zero.

I would have walked out on the 'sorry speech' as well. For every fire and brimstone missionary who wanted to scrub the sin out of a native was many more well-meaning Australians who acted out of genuine compassion for the sorry existences of many Aboriginal children. Apparently their kindness required an apology to be made by super-annuated public servants while they soak up the tax-payer's dime. What a farkin' joke!

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:07pm:

cods wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:06pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:01pm: With 25 years of group polarization, accelerated by the internet and advances in propaganda technology, this observation is not exactly surprising. Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.  WHERE.. you must have knowledge of where exactly this HATRED is so prevalent... just a hint will do.. Erm...havent ou noticed that "righties" and "lefties" are not exactly civil towards one another?

guess what where I live we dont abuse each other in the streets..

  because it happens on here....doesnt mean we do it outside..maybe where you .live is different..

where I live we are very reasonable...

so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them...

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:25pm: So Anglo-saxons should turn their backs on their heritage because it offends minorities. Got it. No, not because it offends minorities - because it offends lefties, who have adopted minorities as weapons with which to attack righties.

yeah like the Stan Grants.. more white than black...but who cares....as long as they are whinging..

how many on here actually work with aborigines???????.....actually get out there and see what they do for themselves..???>...

I am all for helping those who help themselves...
I dont give a stuff what colour they are as long as they are trying and not sitting back waiting for the govt to do it.....or whinging about the past.. its done its gone

do we carry dead bodies around with us???

well i know I dont....cant speak for everyone...but I am sure we let those who have past rest in peace...

and thats what we should do with our history....its there and never to be forgotten...

but as for making each generation pay for the pasts mistakes..  >:( >:(


get over it.. ::) ::) ::)

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them...

Nope.  The yearning to "educate" everyone until they think exactly like you  isnt anything I want a part of.  Youd fit in well with the left with that attitude.

This is what actual "diversity" and "tolerance" looks like, when the concepts havent been hollowed out and bastardised as a means of control.

I often watch Al-Jazeera. I'll say this much, the good people of Saudi Arabia don't seem to be too pre-occupied with apologising for their culture and history. Why are we?

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

cods wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:36pm: so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them... Nope.  The yearning to "educate" everyone until they think exactly like you  isnt anything I want a part of.  Youd fit in well with the left with that attitude. This is what actual "diversity" and "tolerance" looks like, when the concepts havent been hollowed out and bastardised as a means of control.

really all that because I cant stand whingers... well I never..

no one thinks like me.... I have known that for a long time..

but over the years I have seen a few come round to my way of thinking..

you believe in keeping the aboriginal childlike dependent on big daddy....
good luck with that..

I brought all my kids up to be independent....I am the same with my grandkids...

meet me halfway and I will do what I can to help you..

sit on your bum whining.. ::).forget it..

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

[quote author=cods link=1487219326/15#15 date=1487223372] so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them...

Nope. 


forgot to mention'
'a classic case of not backing yourself up" :(


I wouldnt dream of trying to educate the likes of you

people like yourself dont change !!

they complain about something not working

but will they change it.....

nope they keep on going in the same direction...



makes sense to some!

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:27pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:01pm: Hatred for our fellow countrymen is at an all time high - this is progress.  Good work, Honky. This has been your objective all along, no? Not me mate.  All I want is to be left alone, im not looking to implement year zero.

Left alone by whom, Honky?

I'm curious.

cods wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:43pm: [quote author=cods link=1487219326/15#15 date=1487223372] so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them... Nope.  forgot to mention' 'a classic case of not backing yourself up" :( I wouldnt dream of trying to educate the likes of you people like yourself dont change !! they complain about something not working but will they change it..... nope they keep on going in the same direction... makes sense to some!

Of course, why wouldnt i keep going?  The one person youve got control of is yourself. 

Was it gandhi that said "be the change you want to see in the world"?  I think he was onto something, how about you?

more white Australian Bashing..

are you taking over from BraincellBatteries? or what ever its name is?

the do-gooders, virtue signallers and apologists are keeping the abo's in the conditions that they find themselves that they are in today..

oh.. and they need to take responsibility for their own position as well..

NO ONE ELSE...

they'd want to thank their lucky stars that I'm not running for PM.. '

they'd get the biggest kick up their asses that they've ever had..  >:(

abos can't look after themselves so it white Australia's fault mothballs?? ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 2:34pm: Yep. The dumber comes from so-called progressives like you who have been busy screwing up society for a couple of generations. The racist comes from people like you who would like to consign the white nationalities to re-education camps or worse. And the meaner, ditto, because you people are so mean-spirited you can't tolerate opinions which don't fit with your view of the world and do your best to shout them down or otherwise suppress them. So yes, you're quite right. Case in point.

You don't have a case or point. ::)

He summed you up well.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 2:34pm: Yep. The dumber comes from so-called progressives like you who have been busy screwing up society for a couple of generations. The racist comes from people like you who would like to consign the white nationalities to re-education camps or worse. And the meaner, ditto, because you people are so mean-spirited you can't tolerate opinions which don't fit with your view of the world and do your best to shout them down or otherwise suppress them. So yes, you're quite right. Case in point.

Indeed.

Bogie walked right into that one    ;D

Read above Peccar ... ditto to you.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 2:34pm: Yep. The dumber comes from so-called progressives like you who have been busy screwing up society for a couple of generations. The racist comes from people like you who would like to consign the white nationalities to re-education camps or worse. And the meaner, ditto, because you people are so mean-spirited you can't tolerate opinions which don't fit with your view of the world and do your best to shout them down or otherwise suppress them. So yes, you're quite right. Case in point.

Bogie can always be relied upon to represent the worst of the rightards.

Is there anything in the article that backs up the headline?

The Aboriginal Industries "Stolen Generation"

is a load of shyte.

Another guilt trip exercise to hang on white Australia.

Funny thing is that whilst all this stealing of aboriginal children was supposed to be going on there were just as many white children being removed from neglectful homes

... and thousands of children of unmarried mothers (forcibly) removed after birth for adoption because that's what happened in many many families in those days.

The Aboriginal Stolen Generation is a furphy..... many of those half /quarter caste children would have been ostracized in their own communities.

A perpetuation of the victimhood mentality with the sole intent of making money.   

I find it appalling and ungrateful that the Australian Aboriginals seem to think they are hard done by.

They get far more opportunity than many Aborigines from other countries and yet they still cry for more.

When they are given land, they sell it and then cry that their land is gone.
The money goes soon after with waste and poor investments.


If only I were an Australian Aboriginal.
I could have gone through Uni at next to no cost.
I could have low cost loans and free transport.
My children would be looked after when I got drunk and started beating them.
I would be given more for doing nothing and granted loans that were never expected to be paid back.

The Australian Aboriginals need to see what real racism is.
How blacks are treated in other countries, not that many Australian Aboriginals are actually black.

The only reason they don't succeed is that they never bother to try.
Laziness is ingrained, but so is a continual want and expectation for more for nothing.

Where would they be without white "Invasion"?
They would still be pre-stone age with an infant mortality rate beyond belief.
And as soon as any other advanced culture found Australia, they would be doomed.

They should thank us, not denigrate us.
They should take advantage of the opportunities given them and become more than a culture of parasitic complainers.

Its up to them.
You cant help those who wont help themselves

By continually feeding this victim "I want" mentality, we are doing them no favors.
Like spoilt children, they get and expect more.
Its time to shut down the tit and make them work and live like all other Australians.

God helps those who helps themselves, the devil waits for those that dont.

Whole lotta meaner, dumber and more racist on this thread.

But i knew there would be.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Whole lotta meaner, dumber and more racist on this thread. But i knew there would be.

You know SFA.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Whole lotta meaner, dumber and more racist on this thread. But i knew there would be.

Would you be calling me a racist???

Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist

Sad but true.

Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact.

Valkie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm: Whole lotta meaner, dumber and more racist on this thread. But i knew there would be. Would you be calling me a racist???

Would you like to try that shoe on in the 9 1/2 sir ?

I'm going to Jordan so I can critcise/stand in judgment of their history, culture and government. I wonder what the punishment would be for 'chucking a Mothra' in Jordan? Imprisonment without trial? Lashes? A bit of hand surgery? Yeah, evil ole racist Australia!

I don't believe there's any racism in Australia -

we all live in multicultural peace & harmony.

Valkie wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:26pm: Whole lotta meaner, dumber and more racist on this thread. But i knew there would be. Would you be calling me a racist???

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c2/c20b5828bda2c50b72c70cf2f829b4e9b20f080ba8d18f2bfe80916b4ac5165e.jpg

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

I'm going to Jordan so I can critcise/stand in judgment of their history, culture and government. I wonder what the punishment would be for 'chucking a Mothra' in Jordan? Imprisonment without trial? Lashes? A bit of hand surgery? Yeah, evil ole racist Australia!

Try the motherland,  KSA.  See what happens if you try to take a suitcase full of bibles in.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact.

Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here.

Do you guys know how far Pecker had to go to get away from tinted Australians in order to obtain the right to call other people racist? Fair shake of the sauce bottle, nimbys!

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here.

Better than war, persecution, or death.

lee wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here.

Yes it does. Good to see that you don't disagree with the sad fact though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:55pm:

lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death.

Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey?

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:54pm:

Do you guys know how far Pecker had to go to get away from tinted Australians in order to obtain the right to call other people racist? Fair shake of the sauce bottle, nimbys!

What size shoe Hammer ?

I'll take a Victoria Park in white.
;)

Gordon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey?

Completely irrelevant.

It's where they originate from that counts.

You already knew that, though.

Not one of them will end in in Pecker's suburb!
;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though.

They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm

Gordon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm

Who could blame them?

Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia?

If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place

Gordon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place

Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best.

I admire people who strive for the best.

They're the sort of people we need in this country.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country.

They sounds like economic migrants.  Let them apply for the appropriate visa.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country.

People like Trump.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country. People like Trump.

No.

He breaks the law.

Asylum seekers don't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country. People like Trump. No. He breaks the law. Asylum seekers don't.

Not by applying for asylum, they don't, but Trump is free to apply like anyone else. 

He'd have a good case - persecuted in his home country, his life in danger, and remember that a persons wealth has no bearing.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:24pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country. People like Trump. No. He breaks the law. Asylum seekers don't. Not by applying for asylum, they don't, but Trump is free to apply like anyone else.  He'd have a good case - persecuted in his home country, his life in danger, and remember that a persons wealth has no bearing.

Let him apply then.

... wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

cods wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:52pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 3:43pm: [quote author=cods link=1487219326/15#15 date=1487223372] so point out where all these rednecks are.. I am interested... we can help educate them... Nope.  forgot to mention' 'a classic case of not backing yourself up" :( I wouldnt dream of trying to educate the likes of you people like yourself dont change !! they complain about something not working but will they change it..... nope they keep on going in the same direction... makes sense to some! Of course, why wouldnt i keep going?  The one person youve got control of is yourself.  Was it gandhi that said "be the change you want to see in the world"?  I think he was onto something, how about you?

what I liked about Gandhi he didnt ask anyone to do anything he wouldnt do himself.. and he was usually the first to do it..

sadly from where I sit  most people especially on here are couch leaders..

dont do as I do
do as I say..

I have always thought of the greens like that....

and it irks me...

Ganghi believed in what he wanted for his countrymen....

and they killed him..


Martin Luther King Jr.. had a dream

and they killed him..

Nelson Mandela  also had a dream and they tried hard to kill him


I believe in all those men..

you know why..

they didnt sit at home whinging

why dont you do something for me Mr Govt?

they went out and did it.. worked until they died....trying to fix the wrong..

I like men like that...I cant stand whiners who spend their whole life wining about how miserable their lives are.. whilst sitting in the comfort of their home..

quite often what someone else has paid for...

perhaps you dont agree with me.. which I believe you have every right not to do...

lucky for you and I we live in a free country with free speech I do hope we never get that taken away from us.

"Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist"

Yes... but on the bright side, we're very conscientious about it.... and give everyone equal treatment......

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:24pm:

... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country. People like Trump. No. He breaks the law. Asylum seekers don't.

Illegal immigrants break our immigration law.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PZ0XViFksPI/T-uHVptYDuI/AAAAAAAAKVI/KwwspgNv2KY/s250/White%2BAustralia%2Bhas%2Ba%2Bblack%2Bhistory.jpg

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 3:28am:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PZ0XViFksPI/T-uHVptYDuI/AAAAAAAAKVI/KwwspgNv2KY/s250/White%2BAustralia%2Bhas%2Ba%2Bblack%2Bhistory.jpg

What does Multi-cultural Australia have? A white history?  ;D

Perhaps you can look at it a different way?
This concept has been traced to the 12th century, attributed to Bernard of Chartres. Its most familiar expression in English is by Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."

How you choose to see it is a choice.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country.

Yeah ... best welfare state

Every country they head to .... that is the top KSC.

Setanta wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 3:34am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 3:28am: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PZ0XViFksPI/T-uHVptYDuI/AAAAAAAAKVI/KwwspgNv2KY/s250/White%2BAustralia%2Bhas%2Ba%2Bblack%2Bhistory.jpg What does Multi-cultural Australia have? A white history?  ;D Perhaps you can look at it a different way? This concept has been traced to the 12th century, attributed to Bernard of Chartres. Its most familiar expression in English is by Isaac Newton in 1676: "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." How you choose to see it is a choice.

if only Capt Cook had been BLACK... ::) ::)

There is no better example of the terrible toxic and deadly effects of the welfare state then the current lives of the australian aboriginal people.

$100 billion dollars to destroy their personal responsibility and make a once resilient people "victims".

and they used to be in partnership with the wonderful cattlemen, feeling strong and proud until the leftards interfered.

how shameful to be a leftard

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:24pm: ... wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:20pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:17pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:09pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 9:00pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:58pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Is there war and persecution in Indonesia where they generally embark on the final leg of their journey? Completely irrelevant. It's where they originate from that counts. You already knew that, though. They hang out in McDonald's in Jakarta to use the WIFI to hook up with people smugglers.  They leave a safe place for a dangerous boat to get to a place with Centrelink. Hmmmm Who could blame them? Would you rather live in Indonesia, or Australia? If I escaped a war zone I'd be happy in a safe place Some people settle, and some people strive for the very best. I admire people who strive for the best. They're the sort of people we need in this country. People like Trump. No. He breaks the law. Asylum seekers don't. Illegal immigrants break our immigration law.

We aren't talking about illegal immigrants.

We're talking about asylum seekers.

This is hard for you, isn't it?

Seems just as hard for you

They're illegal country shopping economic migrants

hiding behind the "Asylum Seeker" label.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:09am:

We aren't talking about illegal immigrants. We're talking about asylum seekers. This is hard for you, isn't it?

Potato, potarto

Here's one of the worlds richest Islamic countries in action
with migrant policy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-deports-40000-pakistan-workers-terror-fears-attacks-counter-terrorism-a7578151.html

Not only did they take zero Muslim refugees from the Syrian conflict ...........

they have deported 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers ....

they say because of terrorism fears ....

when what it is is because the baztards don't pay these workers & treat them like shyte.

Solution when the workers whinge about this exploitation

DEPORT THEM wholesale.

What do we do for migrant workers being exploited in Australia?

Backed by the Union movement, expose & prosecute the corrupt employers and get the migrant workers entitlements.

mothra wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

Closing the gap: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist than 25 years ago The Closing The Gap report should have been a wake up call about the way the government is failing First Australians. It won't be. In 2001 John Howard was telling Liberal voters to put One Nation last on their ballots. In 2017 the Liberals are making preference deals with them in WA and ridiculously insisting that they're "more sophisticated" now. Labor senator Penny Wong called shenanigans on this ludicrous claim, arguing that it was the Liberal Party which had changed, but you know what? It's not just the Liberal Party: over the past 25 years Australia as a whole has gotten meaner, dumber and more racist. This was made crystal clear yesterday when the Closing The Gap report on indigenous health, welfare and education was presented to Parliament, announcing to those MPs which could be bothered showing up that the government was currently on track to fail at just about everything, including six of the seven stated targets to improve life expectancy for indigenous folks.     The current gap in life expectancy between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians is 10.6 years for men and 9.5 years for women. Child mortality hasn't improved. Unemployment is still almost 50 per cent. Literacy and numeracy is similarly poor. Both Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten made noises about how disappointing these results were and that clearly action was needed, but let's be honest: nothing will happen. Why? Because indigenous issues don't win elections, thanks to a quarter century of governments making it OK for Australians to be openly stupid, cruel, and racist. I turned 18 in 1990 and was in my first year of university in Adelaide: a middle class white boy fresh out of private school. Indigenous affairs were not even remotely on my radar. My knowledge of Australian history, like my peers, went pretty much as follows: Captain Cook, convicts, goldrush, Gallipoli, ANZACs, Bradman, done. And then I heard Archie Roach's Took The Children Away. That was the first time the Stolen Generation came across my radar, and the more I learnt the more horrified I became. Then came Yothu Yindi's Treaty, calling out the government's hypocrisy on land rights. It was also when I learnt that Canada had made treaties with their First Peoples, including land rights, proving that it was entirely possible – indeed reasonable – for a grown up country to do so. Just to send that message home the Kev Carmody/Paul Kelly song From Little Things Big Things Grow appeared a few months later, elegantly telling the story of Vincent Lingiari and the struggle for land rights in four chords. Change seemed in the air.

the left have only made this issue worse. if you convince people they're victims and everyone else should change, then don't expect the 'victims' to change. treaties and money does little without the willpower and desire to actually want change.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:55pm:

lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death.

Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 8:57pm:

lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Yes it does. Good to see that you don't disagree with the sad fact though.

You notice I didn't agree with it either?

Gnads wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:17am:

Here's one of the worlds richest Islamic countries in action with migrant policy. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-deports-40000-pakistan-workers-terror-fears-attacks-counter-terrorism-a7578151.html Not only did they take zero Muslim refugees from the Syrian conflict ........... they have deported 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers .... they say because of terrorism fears .... when what it is is because the baztards don't pay these workers & treat them like shyte. Solution when the workers whinge about this exploitation DEPORT THEM wholesale. What do we do for migrant workers being exploited in Australia? Backed by the Union movement, expose & prosecute the corrupt employers and get the migrant workers entitlements.

sad fact is most.." asylum seekers" as some insist they are..pass through some safe countries before trying to get here...


::) ::) ::)

but no one questions that! ::) ::)

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:13am:

Australia is meaner, dumber

Applies quite nicely to you mothball with the addition of disingenuous and duplicitous......

We all know how many sub-continental and Middle Eastern countries treat foreign dissidents. Mothballs should thank her lucky stars we're sooooo racist.

lee wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear.

Why settle for second best?

cods wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:17am: Here's one of the worlds richest Islamic countries in action with migrant policy. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-deports-40000-pakistan-workers-terror-fears-attacks-counter-terrorism-a7578151.html Not only did they take zero Muslim refugees from the Syrian conflict ........... they have deported 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers .... they say because of terrorism fears .... when what it is is because the baztards don't pay these workers & treat them like shyte. Solution when the workers whinge about this exploitation DEPORT THEM wholesale. What do we do for migrant workers being exploited in Australia? Backed by the Union movement, expose & prosecute the corrupt employers and get the migrant workers entitlements. sad fact is most.." asylum seekers" as some insist they are..pass through some safe countries before trying to get here... but no one questions that!

If someone says they're seeking asylum, they're an asylum seeker.

There's no arguing that fact.

However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're a refugee.

And, there's no need to question asylum seekers passing through "safe countries".

If I were in their shoes, I'd strive for the best possible outcome too.

Tell me cods, would you rather live in Australia or Indonesia?

No one lives in Indonesia

They exist.

Valkie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

No one lives in Indonesia They exist.

True.

I wouldn't call it living.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 11:59am:

lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear. Why settle for second best?

But if Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist it must rate below best. ;)

lee wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear. Why settle for second best? But if Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist it must rate below best. ;)

Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist than it used to be.

It's not meaner, dumber and more racist than a lot of other countries, though.

If you read the OP, you'll see it's a comparison of Australia today, with Australia 25 years ago.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear. Why settle for second best? But if Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist it must rate below best. ;) Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist than it used to be. It's not meaner, dumber and more racist than a lot of other countries, though. If you read the OP, you'll see it's a comparison of Australia today, with Australia 25 years ago.

So we are getting over the cultural cringe and joining the rest of the world?

Edit: I guess that's what happens when you invite the rest of the world to live here.

Got it! We need to be dumber, meaner and even more racist.

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:19pm:

Got it! We need to be dumber, meaner and even more racist.

An impossible task for you, Homo.

I have said this many times, but once more for the thick ones.

Australia is not racist.
Even with all the idiots screaming that we are racist, islamaphobes and homophobic, these people still have a better quality of life than in most other countries.

If these people who continually call Australians racist, islamaphobes or homophobic actually travelled the world as saw what true racism, true Homophobic people and people who are Islamic treat others, they would get quite a shock.

Imagine a homo in Afghanistan or other Muslim dominated countries they would have real reason to fear.

Imagine a Christian in a Muslim country or worse still a Jew in these countries, life in constant fear is the norm.

I have seen how blacks are treated in the USA, and for that matter how Mexicans are treated as second class citizens.
The Australian Aboriginals would see true racism if they saw how the American Aboriginals were treated.

Australia, Meaner, Dumber and More Racist............Than what?
Mean.....Because we are continually under attack from every group who see us as an easy mark and call us racist, Islamaphobic and homophobic every chance they get.
What do you expect?
A self fulfilling prophesy, you call us racist often enough we will start to believe it, you call us Ismaphobes and homophobes and we will eventually believe you.
Its stupid and mean.

Dumber...Yes, we are, we allow you intolerant and overly vocal screamers to dictate our own feelings.
You refuse to debate anything, you simply shout and scream that you are always right.
We are not all happy with Islamist's and their backward culture.
We are not all happy being called infidels and being told we are nothing and that we should be beheaded.
We are not all attracted to members of the same sex, for some of us (most of us) it is abhorrent and unnatural.
We are not all responsible for the alleged crimes and treatment of our Aboriginals by our ancestors.

Racist....Not quite yet, but if you keep telling us we are, eventually we will be.

Be careful what you call for, for you may just get it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:19pm: Got it! We need to be dumber, meaner and even more racist. An impossible task for you, Homo.

Maybe I'll go full Muslim.
;)

Valkie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

I have said this many times, but once more for the thick ones. Australia is not racist. Even with all the idiots screaming that we are racist, islamaphobes and homophobic, these people still have a better quality of life than in most other countries. If these people who continually call Australians racist, islamaphobes or homophobic actually travelled the world as saw what true racism, true Homophobic people and people who are Islamic treat others, they would get quite a shock. Imagine a homo in Afghanistan or other Muslim dominated countries they would have real reason to fear. Imagine a Christian in a Muslim country or worse still a Jew in these countries, life in constant fear is the norm. I have seen how blacks are treated in the USA, and for that matter how Mexicans are treated as second class citizens. The Australian Aboriginals would see true racism if they saw how the American Aboriginals were treated. Australia, Meaner, Dumber and More Racist............Than what? Mean.....Because we are continually under attack from every group who see us as an easy mark and call us racist, Islamaphobic and homophobic every chance they get. What do you expect? A self fulfilling prophesy, you call us racist often enough we will start to believe it, you call us Ismaphobes and homophobes and we will eventually believe you. Its stupid and mean. Dumber...Yes, we are, we allow you intolerant and overly vocal screamers to dictate our own feelings. You refuse to debate anything, you simply shout and scream that you are always right. We are not all happy with Islamist's and their backward culture. We are not all happy being called infidels and being told we are nothing and that we should be beheaded. We are not all attracted to members of the same sex, for some of us (most of us) it is abhorrent and unnatural. We are not all responsible for the alleged crimes and treatment of our Aboriginals by our ancestors. Racist....Not quite yet, but if you keep telling us we are, eventually we will be. Be careful what you call for, for you may just get it.

Ah.

The good old "We don't do what other countries do, therefore, we're not bad at all" defence.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

Valkie wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 8:23pm: I have said this many times, but once more for the thick ones. Australia is not racist. Even with all the idiots screaming that we are racist, islamaphobes and homophobic, these people still have a better quality of life than in most other countries. If these people who continually call Australians racist, islamaphobes or homophobic actually travelled the world as saw what true racism, true Homophobic people and people who are Islamic treat others, they would get quite a shock. Imagine a homo in Afghanistan or other Muslim dominated countries they would have real reason to fear. Imagine a Christian in a Muslim country or worse still a Jew in these countries, life in constant fear is the norm. I have seen how blacks are treated in the USA, and for that matter how Mexicans are treated as second class citizens. The Australian Aboriginals would see true racism if they saw how the American Aboriginals were treated. Australia, Meaner, Dumber and More Racist............Than what? Mean.....Because we are continually under attack from every group who see us as an easy mark and call us racist, Islamaphobic and homophobic every chance they get. What do you expect? A self fulfilling prophesy, you call us racist often enough we will start to believe it, you call us Ismaphobes and homophobes and we will eventually believe you. Its stupid and mean. Dumber...Yes, we are, we allow you intolerant and overly vocal screamers to dictate our own feelings. You refuse to debate anything, you simply shout and scream that you are always right. We are not all happy with Islamist's and their backward culture. We are not all happy being called infidels and being told we are nothing and that we should be beheaded. We are not all attracted to members of the same sex, for some of us (most of us) it is abhorrent and unnatural. We are not all responsible for the alleged crimes and treatment of our Aboriginals by our ancestors. Racist....Not quite yet, but if you keep telling us we are, eventually we will be. Be careful what you call for, for you may just get it. Ah. The good old "We don't do what other countries do, therefore, we're not bad at all" defence.

Perhaps it's the good old "We don't do what other countries do, therefore, we're not as bad at all" defence.



greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

It's not meaner, dumber and more racist than a lot of other countries, though.

lee wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 4:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear. Why settle for second best? But if Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist it must rate below best. ;)

Very true but there was a time when we were pretty good.

Australia has been shown as the least racist country in the world. Nothing to be ashamed of.

rhino wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:36pm:

Australia has been shown as the least racist country in the world. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Really? Shown by who? And where?

Valkie wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

No one lives in Indonesia They exist.

whingers should live in a remote Indonesian village for 6 months. They will never complain about anything again.

mothra wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:38pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:36pm: Australia has been shown as the least racist country in the world. Nothing to be ashamed of. Really? Shown by who? And where?

The study has been posted here a number of times.  And any well travelled person will concur, Australians are very accepting compared to other cultures and countries.

rhino wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:40pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:38pm: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:36pm: Australia has been shown as the least racist country in the world. Nothing to be ashamed of. Really? Shown by who? And where? The study has been posted here a number of times.  And any well travelled person will concur, Australians are very accepting compared to other cultures and countries.

So surely, if it's so readily available, you'll be able to post it again?

Forgive mee for not wanting to just take your word for it.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:59am: lee wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 10:35am: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:55pm: lee wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 8:51pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 16th, 2017 at 7:52pm: Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist Sad but true. Unfortunately no study or report required to see this fact. Makes you wonder why so many "asylum seekers" want to come here. Better than war, persecution, or death. Makes you wonder why they didn't stop once clear. Why settle for second best? But if Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist it must rate below best. ;) Very true but there was a time when we were pretty good.

Who is the best we rate below? Not being perfect is understandable in this world, you do not have to be perfect to be best.

mothra wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:40pm: mothra wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:38pm: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:36pm: Australia has been shown as the least racist country in the world. Nothing to be ashamed of. Really? Shown by who? And where? The study has been posted here a number of times.  And any well travelled person will concur, Australians are very accepting compared to other cultures and countries. So surely, if it's so readily available, you'll be able to post it again? Forgive mee for not wanting to just take your word for it.

Heres one news story on it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist than it used to be. It's not meaner, dumber and more racist than a lot of other countries, though. If you read the OP, you'll see it's a comparison of Australia today, with Australia 25 years ago.

You were the one saying they didn't want to settle for second best.

So if we are now no longer the best; how far down the list have we fallen? ;)

Thread abandoned. :'(

Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist.

rhino wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 11:27pm:

Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist.

Whinge about what happened 200 years ago?

Showing your ignorance on that one.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 12:40am:

rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one.

How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit?

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 12:59am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:40am: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one. How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit?

You talking to me? Or Rhino?

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:02am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:59am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:40am: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one. How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit? You talking to me? Or Rhino?

You my friend. How long should we hold onto what was done in the past? If not for William, the Irish would not have been sent here on their life or death mission to survive, the aboriginals would have been left to the French. When do we let go and get on with now?

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:05am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:02am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:59am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:40am: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one. How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit? You talking to me? Or Rhino? You my friend. How long should we hold onto what was done in the past? If not for William, the Irish would not have been sent here on their life or death mission to survive, the aboriginals would have been left to the French. When do we let go and get on with now?

What was done to the First People is still happening.

That's why i scoffed at Rhino's 200 year comment.

How long have they been able to vote for? Is it 200 years?

How long since their communities were decimated?

How long since the Stolen Generations?

How long since deaths in custody?

200 years?

This isn't just living memory, which would be enough to continue awareness, this is now.

There is a very unequal playing field. We need to attend to that.

Everyone simplifies the situation of Aboriginal and Torrees Strait Islanders to the remote communities and judges them on those outcomes.

25% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders live in remote communities. Many of these function well.

32% live in cities where most are getting along just fine.

You people and your prejudice knows no bounds.

That's not to say there aren't very real problems of DV and child abuse within these communities. There are and it's a national embarrassment.

But wherever you find grief and loss and disadvantage, you may find these sorts of problems.

It's not the majority though.

th way Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are talked about on here would make one think it's each and every one of them. While they;re driving thir new SUV.

Gobsmacking ignorance.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:15am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:02am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:59am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:40am: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one. How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit? You talking to me? Or Rhino? You my friend. How long should we hold onto what was done in the past? If not for William, the Irish would not have been sent here on their life or death mission to survive, the aboriginals would have been left to the French. When do we let go and get on with now? What was done to the First People is still happening. That's why i scoffed at Rhino's 200 year comment. How long have they been able to vote for? Is it 200 years? How long since their communities were decimated? How long since the Stolen Generations? How long since deaths in custody? 200 years? This isn't just living memory, which would be enough to continue awareness, this is now. There is a very unequal playing field. We need to attend to that.

How long since the Irish were free? It's the same the wold over. There is no point in dwelling in victimisation. How long since forced deportation, children told their parents were dead and sent here? Life and history are not fairytales that end well. It is what it is. That's what you deal with. You cannot fix the past, you can sympathise with the victims of history but they need to live in the world as it is.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:26am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:15am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:02am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:59am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:40am: rhino wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 11:27pm: Abos need to fix themselves, they have the opportunities.  All they want to do is whinge about what happened 200 years ago. Like a lot of people, Im over it. Doesnt make me dumber, meaner or more racist. Whinge about what happened 200 years ago? Showing your ignorance on that one. How dare the Irish lament William of Orange. Do you give a shiit? You talking to me? Or Rhino? You my friend. How long should we hold onto what was done in the past? If not for William, the Irish would not have been sent here on their life or death mission to survive, the aboriginals would have been left to the French. When do we let go and get on with now? What was done to the First People is still happening. That's why i scoffed at Rhino's 200 year comment. How long have they been able to vote for? Is it 200 years? How long since their communities were decimated? How long since the Stolen Generations? How long since deaths in custody? 200 years? This isn't just living memory, which would be enough to continue awareness, this is now. There is a very unequal playing field. We need to attend to that. How long since the Irish were free? It's the same the wold over. There is no point in dwelling in victimisation. How long since forced deportation, children told their parents were dead and sent here? Life and history are not fairytales that end well. It is what it is. That's what you deal with. You cannot fix the past, you can sympathise with the victims of history but they need to live in the world as it is.

You iss the point. It isn;t the past for them.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:29am:

You iss the point. It isn;t the past for them.

That's a choice they make. There is no way the clock will be turned back for them. Every people in the world has to deal with the same thing. They are not special in that regard.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:33am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:29am: You iss the point. It isn;t the past for them. That's a choice they make. There is no way the clock will be turned back for them.

The clock is showing the correct time.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:34am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:33am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:29am: You iss the point. It isn;t the past for them. That's a choice they make. There is no way the clock will be turned back for them. The clock is showing the correct time.

2:36?

2.05 here.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:36am:

2.05 here.

Check again!
;D

The only difference in the minutes that have elapsed is that my wine glass is slightly emptier.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:40am:

The only difference in the minutes that have elapsed is that my wine glass is slightly emptier.

My beer is gone. :'(

If you want to argue past malfunctions of mankind and how they should influence what we choose to do, I'll make a coffee.

What did the Romans ever do for us.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:42am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:40am: The only difference in the minutes that have elapsed is that my wine glass is slightly emptier. My beer is gone. :'( If you want to argue past malfunctions of mankind and how they should influence what we choose to do, I'll make a coffee.

But don't you see? It's not just the past that is causing the problems. It is the now.

All of these myths about what Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are entitled to .. all of the misconceptions about how they live.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:46am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:42am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:40am: The only difference in the minutes that have elapsed is that my wine glass is slightly emptier. My beer is gone. :'( If you want to argue past malfunctions of mankind and how they should influence what we choose to do, I'll make a coffee. But don't you see? It's not just the past that is causing the problems. It is the now. All of these myths about what Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders are entitled to .. all of the misconceptions about how they live.

Yep I see that. Anyone can use Aboriginal medical centres/dentists, ignorance. There is ignorance to spare. It still comes down to what you want for you life. I have blackfella friends. One of my best mates is a TI. His family do not dwell in the past. It's a state of mind, where do I want to be? You control your future you cannot control the past.

I went and dared pinched(racist I know) a white from the wife so it's not coffee time yet. Yay!

They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though.

The TI family are Bahai.

rhino wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:57am:

They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though.

No. It;s up to us. All of us.

And they do not have all th tools they need.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am:

rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us.

We should use force? No it's up to them.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. We should use force? No it's up to them.

They can provide their own Treaty?

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am:

And they do not have all th tools they need.

I could lend them mine as long as the promise to return them. What do they need? Be careful here... I'll PM you my FiLs books.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 1:59am:

rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us.

Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot.

rhino wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot.

Ouch!

Do they in India?

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:00am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. We should use force? No it's up to them. They can provide their own Treaty?

They can provide their own lives in the world as it is, like we do.

rhino wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot.

Giving them everything?

I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities?

And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely.

You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator.

Suits your prejudice i suppose.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:11am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:01am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:00am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. We should use force? No it's up to them. They can provide their own Treaty? They can provide their own lives in the world as it is, like we do.

Yet they don;t have the same starting point.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot. Giving them everything? I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities? And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely. You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator. Suits your prejudice i suppose.

I await your tongue lashing. When you talk about "victims" and the rest there will always be an us and them.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:13am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:11am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:01am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:00am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. We should use force? No it's up to them. They can provide their own Treaty? They can provide their own lives in the world as it is, like we do. Yet they don;t have the same starting point.

They should have been born somewhere else and want to come here because they see what Au has to offer?

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:15am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:12am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot. Giving them everything? I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities? And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely. You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator. Suits your prejudice i suppose. I await your tongue lashing. When you talk about "victims" and the rest there will always be an us and them.

No. I don;t see all Indigenous Australian as a homognous blob.  see many individuals.

Yet it is undeniable that there is inequality in the public perception as there is in the law.

How do you think an educated, successful Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander would feel having read this thread? Do you think they would be offended?

Offended by the likes of members on this forum?

Did you know that almost 40% of Australian think that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders ar unimportant to the story of this country?

Racism?

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:15am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:12am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot. Giving them everything? I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities? And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely. You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator. Suits your prejudice i suppose. I await your tongue lashing. When you talk about "victims" and the rest there will always be an us and them. No. I don;t see all Indigenous Australian as a homognous blob.  see many individuals. Yet it is undeniable that there is inequality in the public perception as there is in the law. How do you think an educated, successful Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander would feel having read this thread? Do you think they would be offended? Offended by the likes of members on this forum? Did you know that almost 40% of Australian think that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders ar unimportant to the story of this country? Racism?

If I was so presumptuous to speak for the ones I know as friends. All I would say is that I think they agree.
They are living in the world as it is.

Setanta wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:29am:

mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:23am: Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:15am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:12am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot. Giving them everything? I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities? And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely. You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator. Suits your prejudice i suppose. I await your tongue lashing. When you talk about "victims" and the rest there will always be an us and them. No. I don;t see all Indigenous Australian as a homognous blob.  see many individuals. Yet it is undeniable that there is inequality in the public perception as there is in the law. How do you think an educated, successful Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander would feel having read this thread? Do you think they would be offended? Offended by the likes of members on this forum? Did you know that almost 40% of Australian think that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders ar unimportant to the story of this country? Racism? If I was so presumptuous to speak for the ones I know as friends. All I would say is that I think they agree. They are living in the world as it is.

So they would not be offended by th coents on this forum about 'Abos'?

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:37am:

So they would not be offended by th coents on this forum about 'Abos'?

They are Bahá'í.

mothra wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:15am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:12am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 2:05am: mothra wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:59am: rhino wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:57am: They have all the tools they need, up to them now. Self determination. Strange how the Abos have never had a leader who unified them though. No. It;s up to us. All of us. Your logic is flawed, thats because its based on emotion. Teach a man to fish, dont give him the fish. And thats the problem, we are giving them everything and getting nothing. All they are learning is to stick their hand out because they are Abos and we are the white opressors, and these people are the first to claim discrimination because of skin colour. Strange because plenty of black immigrants come to this country and make a success of themselves, Ive never seen a poor Indian begging for smokes or whatnot. Giving them everything? I wasn't aware of a great deal of infrastructure in remote Aboriginal communities? And you betray your prejudice by saying "them". Most are getting along uite nicely. You, however, choose to focus on the lowest common denominator. Suits your prejudice i suppose. I await your tongue lashing. When you talk about "victims" and the rest there will always be an us and them. No. I don;t see all Indigenous Australian as a homognous blob.  see many individuals. Yet it is undeniable that there is inequality in the public perception as there is in the law. How do you think an educated, successful Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander would feel having read this thread? Do you think they would be offended? Offended by the likes of members on this forum? Did you know that almost 40% of Australian think that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders ar unimportant to the story of this country? Racism?

as a matter of fact I didnt know that mothra..

I am sure you have the link

I have lived here a bloody long time and never once have I been asked my opinion on aboriginals...

letalone if I thought they were worthwhile mentioning in the history books...

who asks questions like that????>...

are aborigines important to the story of this country


seriously who writes crap like that?.... ::) ::) ::)

I wonder what mothra would feel if she had British heritage....and then read some of the things herb says about old poms..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

we would all be bleeding over our keyboards...

abo's as mothra calls them need to toughen up..

the world is moving so fast people dont have time for those who wish to live in the past...

Through the period of the Whitlam, Fraser Hawke and Keating governments issues of race were managed with a unilateral agreed non racial approach by Australian government.

Howard came to power and brought with him about 50 packs or race cards and the Liberal governments since have been desperate to play them all. It has turned out to be political genius it has worked so well for them.

They have even passed on a few decks to Labor the last decade.

Between the 70's and mid 90's Australia was a country making huge gains on issues of race but since the beginning of the Howard government it has been 100% going backwards.

Claiming that Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist is nothing but a very obvious statement of fact.

You can dwell on the past

Continually play the victim card

Demand retribution from THIS GENERATION even though they were not involved

And continually scream racism

Or

Get on with your life and prove that you are more than an oppressed, poor individusl/ group

Do we still blamevALL GERMANS for what was done in the Holocaust?

That would be stupid, m9st had no choice, and this generation is different

To blame this generation will simply push them toward the same ideals

THE SELF FULFILLING PROPHESY

Meaner, dumber, and more racist  . . .  than when?

issuevoter wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Meaner, dumber, and more racist  . . .  than when?

ask Bill Shorten..

according to him we are poisoning water holes and giving out blankets laced with disease...  ::)

issuevoter wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:32am:

Meaner, dumber, and more racist  . . .  than when?

- then we were 20 years ago - Read the report

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:33am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:32am: Meaner, dumber, and more racist  . . .  than when? ask Bill Shorten.. according to him we are poisoning water holes and giving out blankets laced with disease...  ::)

Why not take the novel approach of telling the truth ?

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:38am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:33am: issuevoter wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 7:32am: Meaner, dumber, and more racist  . . .  than when? ask Bill Shorten.. according to him we are poisoning water holes and giving out blankets laced with disease...  ::) Why not take the novel approach of telling the truth ?

are you saying he didnt say it dna??????

when you talk about injustice to the Aboriginal community..... even if it was a 100 years ago.. it is as if its happening right this very day..to many of them..

it was a dreadful thing for a person in his position to bring up...

I for one have never heard of these accusations..

.until he mentioned them as if it was happening right now....

personally I found it disgraceful.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:36am:

Through the period of the Whitlam, Fraser Hawke and Keating governments issues of race were managed with a unilateral agreed non racial approach by Australian government. Howard came to power and brought with him about 50 packs or race cards and the Liberal governments since have been desperate to play them all. It has turned out to be political genius it has worked so well for them. They have even passed on a few decks to Labor the last decade. Between the 70's and mid 90's Australia was a country making huge gains on issues of race but since the beginning of the Howard government it has been 100% going backwards. Claiming that Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist is nothing but a very obvious statement of fact.

Howard learned almost immediately into his first government, that if you can build fear, you can build hate and from there you can say and do what ever you want.


He was and still is a vile little sub human, but that does not say much about Australians that we can be so easily manipulated by someone like him.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:36am:

Through the period of the Whitlam, Fraser Hawke and Keating governments issues of race were managed with a unilateral agreed non racial approach by Australian government. Howard came to power and brought with him about 50 packs or race cards and the Liberal governments since have been desperate to play them all. It has turned out to be political genius it has worked so well for them. They have even passed on a few decks to Labor the last decade. Between the 70's and mid 90's Australia was a country making huge gains on issues of race but since the beginning of the Howard government it has been 100% going backwards. Claiming that Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist is nothing but a very obvious statement of fact.

can you be more specific???.. with those accusations!

howard and Abbott stopped the boats is that what you are referring too???..

yes Multicultralism was a lefty idea..... and it hasnt been all grand you know like you would have us believe...

most of the violent  GANGS are all ethnic

the bikie gangs are the same... we even have ones brought in from overseas.. I guess its all multicultral though.so acceptable. ::) ::)

I believe we even have our own African Gangs now called APEX.roaming some towns...

or do we ignore that small detail..?

they probably dont run havoc through your neck of the woods  but I am sure if you lived in Fairfield/Cabramatta/ ::)



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GANG war over drug turf that has been simmering for two decades has erupted into a series of public shootings that has turned Fairfield in western Sydney into Australia’s most dangerous suburb. Four shootings in the last two weeks alone, with two of them in the same street, have rocked the ethnically diverse suburb which houses Middle Eastern, southeast Asian and African communities 30km west of Sydney’s CBD. War is believed to have broken out between DLASTHR (The Last Hour) gang and a young breakaway group called The True Kings. Both are branches of the Assyrian Kings, the gang that assassinated police officer David Carty in a savage 1997 stabbing murder during which gang members sliced off the constable’s nose.

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SECRET police crime maps reveal Melbourne neighbourhoods near rail corridors and major roads are being terrorised with home invasions and car thefts committed by youth gangs, including Apex. The explosive documents released under Freedom of Information come as Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton urges Victorians against forming neighbourhood vigilante groups to combat rising crime. The operational police maps show parts of Melbourne’s southeast were repeatedly hit last year, in­cluding parts of Murrum­beena, Carnegie, Mordialloc, Men­tone and Sandringham. Elsternwick, Chelsea, Highett and Clarinda were also hit hard. SECRET POLICE MAPS: See how your area is affected (*.pdf) Police told the Herald Sun the crimes recorded on the confidential maps were aggravated burglary, car theft and stealing from cars, offences commonly committed by “young, networked offenders”. Southern Metropolitan Region Inspector Bernie Edwards said the documents were used to deploy officers to emerging hot spots on 24-hour patrols. However, Insp Edwards warned that criminals moved fast.

actually Melb with  a high ethnic community

is virtually out of control with youth crime.

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 8:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 6:36am: Through the period of the Whitlam, Fraser Hawke and Keating governments issues of race were managed with a unilateral agreed non racial approach by Australian government. Howard came to power and brought with him about 50 packs or race cards and the Liberal governments since have been desperate to play them all. It has turned out to be political genius it has worked so well for them. They have even passed on a few decks to Labor the last decade. Between the 70's and mid 90's Australia was a country making huge gains on issues of race but since the beginning of the Howard government it has been 100% going backwards. Claiming that Australia is meaner, dumber and more racist is nothing but a very obvious statement of fact. Howard learned almost immediately into his first government, that if you can build fear, you can build hate and from there you can say and do what ever you want. He was and still is a vile little sub human, but that does not say much about Australians that we can be so easily manipulated by someone like him.

so you are all good with bringing back the boats?.