A petition (inset) asking the ABC to sack Muslim youth activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied as the presenter of its Australia Wide program (left) has attracted more than 10,600 signatures. A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. She was engaged in a fiery clash with Tasmanian senator Jacqui Lambie (right).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/auhome/index.html

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 1:11am:

A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law.

Outrageous.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:44am:

rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous.

It sure is.

'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever.

link

I'd dump her from Australia Wide just because she is a poor presenter.  When she comes on I turn off...
Makes you wonder why she got the job in the first place.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:24am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link

But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law?

And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law?

We are still waiting for you to cite the verse in the Quran that says she has to obey Australian laws.  ::)

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think?

No contradiction at all, and at the risk of repeating myself, I'll let Ruby explain the point - agian...


Quote:

It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code. As long as we fail to make this simple but vital distinction, Muslims will continue to be demonised and the real issue will continue to be missed.

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-its-not-enough-to-counter-fear-of-sharia-law-by-insisting-islam-is-feminist-20170216-guec5m.html

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68828427.jpg

This one has some pretty sinister misogynistic overtones too.

how dare a muslim woman in a hijab be confident, successful, liberated and assertive against anti-Islam bigotry

The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world?

moses wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world?

They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

This one has some pretty sinister misogynistic overtones too. how dare a muslim woman in a hijab be confident, successful, liberated and assertive against anti-Islam bigotry

Might help here if she was against Muslim bigotry too then eh? ;)

moses wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world?

Exactly.

There'll be 'showcase' Sharia Courts that anyone can sit in on, and then there'll be the real Sharia Courts hidden away from public scrutiny.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:49pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think? No contradiction at all, and at the risk of repeating myself, I'll let Ruby explain the point - agian... Quote: It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code. As long as we fail to make this simple but vital distinction, Muslims will continue to be demonised and the real issue will continue to be missed. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-its-not-enough-to-counter-fear-of-sharia-law-by-insisting-islam-is-feminist-20170216-guec5m.html

Yes, we know that she is claiming that but that is not  Sharia law in reality is it? You cannot say that in practise Sharia law allows individuals to practise their own version of it.

Quote:

The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them.

[/quote]


Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah.

I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.?

It's got nuffin to do wif islam.

moses wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them.

Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah.

I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.?

[/quote]

That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world".

There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists.

If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law?

The problem is that this claim is not shared by all of them, and is simply a matter of personal idiosyncrasy as to which part of the Islamic sacred text they prefer to be loyal to.

I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors.

I'd pay to sit in on a debate between her and Ayaan Hirsi Ali - with Brigitte Gabriel as Mistress of Ceremonies.  8-)

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68828427.jpg

I blame Islam.

moses wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 1:15pm:

The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world?

Ah yes, but what are the Jews going to do about the laws of Leviticus?

You've never said, Moses.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.?

That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ".

There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists.

If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this.


[/quote]
Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  you better tell bwian.  Those BAD MUSLIMS follow SHARIA to the letter eh?

Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  careful...  I feel a Fatwah coming on for you Gweggy. :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm: moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.? That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ". There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists. If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this.

Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  [/quote]

Sure are.

Moreover, nobody has ever said anything to the contrary.

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...

Yes.

Those are the words moses used.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487517090/10#10

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

This one has some pretty sinister misogynistic overtones too. how dare a muslim woman in a hijab be confident, successful, liberated and assertive against anti-Islam bigotry

Why is it that Islam is the most bigoted of ALL religions Gandalf?

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:35pm: Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  Yes. Those are the words moses used. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487517090/10#10

You too apparently... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
FATWAH is a comin' your way... :D

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:42pm: Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:35pm: Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  Yes. Those are the words moses used. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487517090/10#10 You too apparently...

That's correct.

I directly quoted him.

Why you find that amusing, is anyone's guess.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:44am:

rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous.

She lied though about Jihad.

She forgot to mention the four states of Jihad. The last one being the KILLER!

She asked hizbut tahrir how to "improve her arguments" got told more or less "don't come monday".

She also forgot the little girl of 13 who was forcibly married, raped, suffered an optectic pregnancy.

But ISLAM is a feminist religion.

She should be deported for hate speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:49pm: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think? No contradiction at all, and at the risk of repeating myself, I'll let Ruby explain the point - agian... Quote: It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code. As long as we fail to make this simple but vital distinction, Muslims will continue to be demonised and the real issue will continue to be missed. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-its-not-enough-to-counter-fear-of-sharia-law-by-insisting-islam-is-feminist-20170216-guec5m.html Yes, we know that she is claiming that but that is not  Sharia law in reality is it? You cannot say that in practise Sharia law allows individuals to practise their own version of it.

Why can't I say? Because you see a few boof heads claiming that on TV - and because those few take up all the media coverage of muslims?

I suspect that like Lambie, this is actually the first time you've heard of a sharia law that doesn't involve beheadings and amputations - and just like Lambie, you dismiss it out of hand. Why? Well thats not really clear. There is certainly no legitimate reason. But whatever the reason, it leads you to unfairly default to accusing her and others who argue the same, as liars, hypocrites etc.

As for your question about sharia law not allowing freedom of thought. Easily refuted:

there is no compulsion in religion - Quran 2:256

The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve - Quran 18:29

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 2:32pm:

I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors.

Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:32pm: I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors. Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Have I EVER said anything less than what's fair, reasonable, and sensitive to other people's feelings despite the fact I might strongly disagree with them?   ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:32pm: I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors. Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif]

And that is what the teachings of Islam can add to our society - like the stance of Muhammed Ali.

Jihad, innit.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:32pm: I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors. Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif] Have I EVER said anything less than what's fair, reasonable, and sensitive to other people's feelings despite the fact I might strongly disagree with them?   ::)

Never. You've always stood up for people who say what they truly think.

Well, almost always.

Karnal wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:24pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:32pm: I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors. Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif] Have I EVER said anything less than what's fair, reasonable, and sensitive to other people's feelings despite the fact I might strongly disagree with them?   ::) Never. You've always stood up for people who say what they truly think. Well, almost always.

The UK's Daily Mail is a case in point. They're not afraid to print the stories the others reject for fear of another 'Je Suis Charlie'.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:20pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:49pm: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think? No contradiction at all, and at the risk of repeating myself, I'll let Ruby explain the point - agian... Quote: It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code. As long as we fail to make this simple but vital distinction, Muslims will continue to be demonised and the real issue will continue to be missed. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-its-not-enough-to-counter-fear-of-sharia-law-by-insisting-islam-is-feminist-20170216-guec5m.html Yes, we know that she is claiming that but that is not  Sharia law in reality is it? You cannot say that in practise Sharia law allows individuals to practise their own version of it. Why can't I say? Because you see a few boof heads claiming that on TV - and because those few take up all the media coverage of muslims? I suspect that like Lambie, this is actually the first time you've heard of a sharia law that doesn't involve beheadings and amputations - and just like Lambie, you dismiss it out of hand. Why? Well thats not really clear. There is certainly no legitimate reason. But whatever the reason, it leads you to unfairly default to accusing her and others who argue the same, as liars, hypocrites etc. As for your question about sharia law not allowing freedom of thought. Easily refuted: there is no compulsion in religion - Quran 2:256 The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve - Quran 18:29

Nice deflection. However, name one area which practises Sharia law which allows individual interpretations and practise.

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 8:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:35pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:24pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:19pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:32pm: I quite like this woman, and I admire her for sticking her neck out and stating her piece whilst knowing she will attract many detractors. Credit to you for saying that Herbie.  [smiley=thumbup.gif] Have I EVER said anything less than what's fair, reasonable, and sensitive to other people's feelings despite the fact I might strongly disagree with them?   ::) Never. You've always stood up for people who say what they truly think. Well, almost always. The UK's Daily Mail is a case in point. They're not afraid to print the stories the others reject for fear of another 'Je Suis Charlie'.

As is the Koran. You've always stood up for Australians of Anglo anscestry to learn that, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 11:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law?

I'm obliged to obey Australian law too, but this isn't because my behaviour is driven by some mumbo jumbo but because of my understanding of morals based on upbringing, my genetically make up and my understanding of science.

As such, while I obey I also question laws.  Does sharia allow Muslims to question the laws of the land they live in? And if so, what do they use to judge the worthiness of said laws?

rhino wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 8:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:16pm: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:20pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:49pm: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 12:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? And yet supports Sharia law, contradiction dont you think? No contradiction at all, and at the risk of repeating myself, I'll let Ruby explain the point - agian... Quote: It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code. As long as we fail to make this simple but vital distinction, Muslims will continue to be demonised and the real issue will continue to be missed. http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/why-its-not-enough-to-counter-fear-of-sharia-law-by-insisting-islam-is-feminist-20170216-guec5m.html Yes, we know that she is claiming that but that is not  Sharia law in reality is it? You cannot say that in practise Sharia law allows individuals to practise their own version of it. Why can't I say? Because you see a few boof heads claiming that on TV - and because those few take up all the media coverage of muslims? I suspect that like Lambie, this is actually the first time you've heard of a sharia law that doesn't involve beheadings and amputations - and just like Lambie, you dismiss it out of hand. Why? Well thats not really clear. There is certainly no legitimate reason. But whatever the reason, it leads you to unfairly default to accusing her and others who argue the same, as liars, hypocrites etc. As for your question about sharia law not allowing freedom of thought. Easily refuted: there is no compulsion in religion - Quran 2:256 The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve - Quran 18:29 Nice deflection. However, name one area which practises Sharia law which allows individual interpretations and practise.

In the practices of the majority of muslims in Australia - for a start.

Yes thats right, sharia law is flourishing in Australia. Think about it.

to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 5:13am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? I'm obliged to obey Australian law too, but this isn't because my behaviour is driven by some mumbo jumbo but because of my understanding of morals based on upbringing, my genetically make up and my understanding of science. As such, while I obey I also question laws.  Does sharia allow Muslims to question the laws of the land they live in? And if so, what do they use to judge the worthiness of said laws?

Flawed logic alevine.

You're desperately searching for sneaky little loopholes where none need exist.

Just another example of this mentality that muslims are guilty by default and must prove their innocence.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 6:48am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:13am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 11:55am: Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:24am: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:44am: rhino wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:11am: A right-wing group is campaigning against the Sudanese-born writer for telling the Q&A program last week her Sharia meant she was obliged to obey Australian law. Outrageous. It sure is. 'Sharia' is discriminatory against women in that if you should happen to shake a woman's hand as is the custom in the West, you may not be able to control the instantaneous impulse to rape this loose and profligate bitch-dog Unbeliever. link But Herb are you outraged at this uppity muslim asserting that she is obligated by her religion to obey Australian law? I'm obliged to obey Australian law too, but this isn't because my behaviour is driven by some mumbo jumbo but because of my understanding of morals based on upbringing, my genetically make up and my understanding of science. As such, while I obey I also question laws.  Does sharia allow Muslims to question the laws of the land they live in? And if so, what do they use to judge the worthiness of said laws? Flawed logic alevine. You're desperately searching for sneaky little loopholes where none need exist. Just another example of this mentality that muslims are guilty by default and must prove their innocence.

How is it flawed logic, Gandalf?  I'm asking where our behaviours and opinions come from.  And I'm not at all blaming all Muslims. I'm simply asking how many conservative Muslims we must accept, who will have their morals and opinions based on their interpretations of their lovely little book and crazy ideology.  It's not about obeying the law. It's about the opinion of whether the law is morally right or not.

Alevine heaven forbid that a muslim follows a version of Islam that is logical and consistent with your "understanding of morals based on upbringing, my genetically make up and my understanding of science" - right? The insinuation I'm getting from you is that you have common sense, logic and sound morals on the one hand - and a 'lovely little book' that necessarily promotes 'mumbo jumbo' and 'crazy ideology' on the other - and never the twain shall meet. And *IF* by some miracle some of that mumbo jumbo just happens to promote something that is in line with your sound non-religious morals - then thats just pot luck, which has nothing to do with the religion standing for any values that are the same as yours.

Grendel wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 3:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm: moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.? That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ". There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists. If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this.

Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  you better tell bwian.  Those BAD MUSLIMS follow SHARIA to the letter eh?

Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  careful...  I feel a Fatwah coming on for you Gweggy. :D[/quote]
Well Gandalf according to Gweggy there are BAD MUSLIMS....  do you think there are BAD MUSLIMS?  If so how do you identify these BAD MUSLIMS. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 8:31am:

Alevine heaven forbid that a muslim follows a version of Islam that is logical and consistent with your "understanding of morals based on upbringing, my genetically make up and my understanding of science" - right? The insinuation I'm getting from you is that you have common sense, logic and sound morals on the one hand - and a 'lovely little book' that necessarily promotes 'mumbo jumbo' and 'crazy ideology' on the other - and never the twain shall meet. And *IF* by some miracle some of that mumbo jumbo just happens to promote something that is in line with your sound non-religious morals - then thats just pot luck, which has nothing to do with the religion standing for any values that are the same as yours.

As typical with you Gandalf you misunderstand the point :(. Never did I say my morals are "sound" (but yes, I do think it's more reasonable to seek understanding from science rather than a mumbo jumbo book), I'm simply saying how I obtain my understanding of what is morally right, in comparison to how a conservative Muslim would obtain their understanding of what is morally right, and given the evidence we have of what that means we can easily determine that despite the said conservative Muslim "obeying" western law, it doesn't mean they won't seek to change it at the first opportunity.  In which case I again ask, how many conservative Muslims are we comfortable with when we know the outcomes in Islamic states to date?  As typical you and similar advocates are ignorant to what most people are actually concerned with, and instead look to smear and strawman your way out of what the real issues are.  Never mind. It's nothing new. 

Typical.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 6:42am:

to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics.

There's no such entity as 'private, personal ethics'.

Ethics guides behaviour, and behaviour is for the most part a social phenomenon that effects everybody in the community.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 8:44am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm: moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.? That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ". There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists. If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this. Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  you better tell bwian.  Those BAD MUSLIMS follow SHARIA to the letter eh? Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  careful...  I feel a Fatwah coming on for you Gweggy. :D

Well Gandalf according to Gweggy there are BAD MUSLIMS....  do you think there are BAD MUSLIMS?  If so how do you identify these BAD MUSLIMS.  [/quote]

They'd be the ones doing bad things, you clueless buffoon.

Gweggy as usual missed the point.
However patient as always I'm still waiting for you gandalf.

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 8:44am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm: moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.? That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ". There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists. If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this. Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  you better tell bwian.  Those BAD MUSLIMS follow SHARIA to the letter eh? Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  careful...  I feel a Fatwah coming on for you Gweggy. :D

Well Gandalf according to Gweggy there are BAD MUSLIMS....  do you think there are BAD MUSLIMS?  If so how do you identify these BAD MUSLIMS.  [/quote]

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 11:35am:

Gweggy

Gwendel

How very astute of you Gweggy.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That must have been like having a leg cut off without anesthetic, for the muzzie and the apologists.

Gee there are bad muslims who commit atrocities because the tenets of islam command the pure highest grade muslims to act in the most depraved manner possible.

The question still remains:

When will muslims and the apologists start being honest and address the filth and perversion in the deeds and teachings of muhammad, the commands of the reinvented moon god allah, the verses in the qur'an, the doctrine of islam, all of which cause and motivate the aforesaid beheadings, burnings, child rape, honour killings, murder of homosexuals, amputations, jihadists, female genital mutilation,  legal murder of child brides who die from terminal complications of early pregnancy in an underdeveloped childs' body, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.?

When will these people realize that the only way forward is to honestly evaluate islam and the myriad of aberrant practices muslims carry out in their quest to obey to the very letter islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an?

Cherry picking a couple of part one liners, then sticking their head in the sand, in a desperate attempt to ignore the utter evilness of islam, never was and never will be the answer.   
    

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 10:43am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:42am: to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics. There's no such entity as 'private, personal ethics'. Ethics guides behaviour, and behaviour is for the most part a social phenomenon that effects everybody in the community.

You see? Now this is what a good argument looks like.

Pay attention, Alevine. Herbie can do it.

Pay attention, Moses. No need for hyperbole, just a statement of principle.

Good work, Herb. Now let's follow it up with facts - no porkies, mind. Truths.

No need to be stingy. The fullness of time is here.

Trouble is how're we going to stop all the lying crap from the muzzies and the apologists?

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2017 at 11:35am:

Gweggy as usual missed the point. However patient as always I'm still waiting for you gandalf. Grendel wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 8:44am: Grendel wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 3:35pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:28pm: moses wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 2:24pm: Quote: The real issue is: What are muslims going to do about those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world? [quote]They'll probably do what all the Muslims I know are doing right now - ignoring them. Well kiss a black rock and call me the moon god allah. I wonder what causes all the: beheading, stoning, amputations,  burning them alive, jihadists, honour killings, female genital mutilation,  forced child marriage, blaming then killing the female who has been raped, killing apostates, killing the homosexuals, killing the blasphemers, etc. etc. etc.? That's caused by the small minority who don't ignore "those segments of sharia law which can only be described as utterly degenerate retardation, which has no place in a modern civilized 21st century world ". There are bad Muslims, just as there are bad Christians, Buddhists, and atheists. If your brain wasn't being rotted away by an irrational fear & hatred of all things 'different', you would realise this. Oh so there are BAD MUSLIMS eh...  you better tell bwian.  Those BAD MUSLIMS follow SHARIA to the letter eh? Hmmm... utterly degenerate retardation has no place in a modern civilised world eh...  careful...  I feel a Fatwah coming on for you Gweggy. :D Well Gandalf according to Gweggy there are BAD MUSLIMS....  do you think there are BAD MUSLIMS?  If so how do you identify these BAD MUSLIMS.

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Gandalf? Oh Gandalf? 

moses wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2017 at 1:17pm:

Trouble is how're we going to stop all the lying crap from the muzzies and the apologists?

G's a Muzzie, Moses. I'm an apologist. If you can point out one piece of lying crap from either one, I'd love to see it.

Well just off the top of my head, G uses the one liners to try and push evil islam as being a doctrine of love and peace, while you have often used the, islam equals Christianity and Judaism in the comparison apologies.

moses wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2017 at 2:21pm:

Well just off the top of my head, G uses the one liners to try and push evil islam as being a doctrine of love and peace, while you have often used the, islam equals Christianity and Judaism in the comparison apologies.

You think a comparison analogy is a lie?

You deliberately use lying crap with your attempts to use ancient superseded (by actual verses and teachings) text as the modern criteria, in order to try and equate the evils of islam with Christianity.

You fit the bill perfectly.

moses wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 1:59pm:

You deliberately use lying crap with your attempts to use ancient superseded (by actual verses and teachings) text as the modern criteria, in order to try and equate the evils of islam with Christianity. You fit the bill perfectly.

I don't even know what this means, Moses.

Can you provide an example using one of my posts?

Well tug her forelock and tell me she's a houri with big tits.

Your selective memory has kicked in again, now you done gone and forgot all them posts trying to link mosaic law to todays' Christianity.

Here's a hint you quote Leviticus

moses wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 3:07pm:

Well tug her forelock and tell me she's a houri with big tits. Your selective memory has kicked in again, now you done gone and forgot all them posts trying to link mosaic law to todays' Christianity. Here's a hint you quote Leviticus

Thanks, Moses, good point. Are you saying Leviticus is less bloodthirsty than the Koran?

I hope not. That, as every schoolboy knows, would be a lie.

There is no equivalence between the Torah and the Koran. The Old Testament must be the most violent book in existence.

So I'm curious. What do you mean?

Your selective memory has kicked in again, now you done gone and forgot all them posts trying to link mosaic law to todays' Christianity.

moses wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2017 at 4:04pm:

Your selective memory has kicked in again, now you done gone and forgot all them posts trying to link mosaic law to todays' Christianity.

Thanks for responding, Moses. The prophet Yeheshua linked Christianity to Mosaic law, as you well know.

Now. Do you want to address the question?

Remember, this is not about our memories. It's about deliberate lies and deceit.

Please address your own question. What's the difference between the Torah and Koran?

Reply #60 - Yesterday at 7:53pm


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Thanks for responding, Moses. The prophet Yeheshua linked Christianity to Mosaic law, as you well know. Now. Do you want to address the question? Remember, this is not about our memories. It's about deliberate lies and deceit. Please address your own question. What's the difference between the Torah and Koran?

Oh I see we are now trying to get away from the lying crap used by muslims and the apologists.

Well what's the diference between the Torah and the qur'an.

can't really say for sure as I don't know much about Judaism, the main difference most likely would be that the Torah teaches worship of the God of Abraham  I AM. or Y.H.W.H.

Whereas the qur'an teaches the worship of the reinvented moon god allah.

Now were you trying to get a comparison of islam and Christianity, and simply didn't know the right questions to ask, as your main line of apology for islamic atrocities seems to hinge on always trying to tie Christianity and ancient superseded mosaic law together?

This line of apology used by you is what I'm referring to when I use the good old Aussie lingo lying crap.