The first 75% of the Quran: that is, based on a chronological ordering of the Quran, doesn't mention Muhammad, nor is there any mention of the Prophet.

In the Meccan verses, God (supposedly) speaks; but then in the Medinan era, there are phrases which say 'obey God and the Prophet...' but the latter concept of 'obeying Muhammad is fundamentally at odds with the first 3/4 of the Quran. Also, the Quran's message is not about 'obeying Muhammad' but obeying God.

Here's an interesting question: why was Muhammad not mentioned in the first 3/4's of the Quran, and then all of sudden, appeared?

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad. Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people. You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:54pm: Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad. Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people. You don't believe that, do you? The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

There are no rules in literature.

Have you read many books?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:54pm: Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad. Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people. You don't believe that, do you? The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins. There are no rules in literature. Have you read many books?

Which is precisely my point: it's just a book. The idea that a book is inerrant is fundamentally flawed, because it assumes that human beings are perfect.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:54pm: Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad. Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people. You don't believe that, do you? The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins. There are no rules in literature. Have you read many books?

Can I ask: what if the significance of Abraham Lincoln wearing a gas mask?

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 6:11pm: Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:59pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:54pm: Auggie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:37pm: freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:29pm: That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain. Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad. Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people. You don't believe that, do you? The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins. There are no rules in literature. Have you read many books? Can I ask: what if the significance of Abraham Lincoln wearing a gas mask?

No idea.

I just liked the look of it.

I think I'll change it again.

Muzlims believe the Koran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, concluding in the year of his death. Muzlims regard the Koran as the most important miracle of Muhammad, a proof of his prophethood, and the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with the messages revealed to Adam and ended with Muhammad.

As this slight of hand was delivered by Mo, there was no necessity to mention himself, as long as mugs believed its divine origin.

The most import point here, is that to be a Muzlim you have to believe the Koran, and that Mo was God's prophet. There just is no way around it. When Muzlims pretend to be "moderate," thier honesty can be tested by whether they are prepared to denounce the Koran and the Prophet as a sham and its creator. Its a problem for them. They would have to invent a new religion.

Ah yes, but does it mention terrorism? You tell me that.

How do you cast terror into the hearts of people if not by acts of terror / terrorism?

qur'an 3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

Seems pretty clear-cut  muzzies shall cast terror into the hears of those who associate others with allah in worship.

Christians are supposed to be the ones who colligate allah and Christ in worship.

This was nothing more than a deliberate lie by muhammad, in order to promote terrorism, as Christian doctrine proclaims Christ as the son of Y.H.W.H., not the pagan moon god allah worshipped by muhammad.

Terrorism is an essential part of the qur'an.

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:19pm:

chronological ordering of the Quran

Thats the problem, the koran is NOT in timeline order.

Got It?

Would have thought that our leader in chief would have pointed out that little doozy!