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Message started by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:12am

Title: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:12am
The warnings of insufficient Gas are a joke - if it wasn't  so serious. The Gas companies advise that we are facing a crisis. We are one of the biggest exporters of Gas in the  World yet suppliers say we are facing a shortage crisis

The only ones who should be facing a crisis are the Gas companies

It is our Gas, the Australian peoples' that is. Malcolm Turnbull should legislate that the supplier MUST supply local requirements before exporting any Gas overseas

If they don't like it then cancel their licence to operate here

Price fixing for Australian consumers should also figure in the Legislation

Could you see Donald Trump allowing such a scenario to happen in America


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 1:59pm

Are you starting to feel angry yet?..Angry at these money grubbing Gas Companies raping our resources for them to get rich whilst we can go piss in the corner with a tin cup for a bit of our own property?

Malcolm Turnbull is a piss ant...He should take lessons from Donald Trump on how to manage what is ours. We are having our pants pulled down over our national Gas reserves

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 2:31pm
We only export CSG - fracked Coal Seam gas.

and there's no shortage of that at the moment. The gas companies just choose to chase the higher export price above any domestic market.

Our domestic gas is LPG

Liquid Petroleum Gas

it comes from the refining of oil

there is no shortage of LPG.

This is a total scam so to allow big gas & oil to expand their Coal Seam Gas exploration and drilling and operations into areas they have been denied access because of environmental issues.

They want to use it to turn around the Victorian govts decision to ban "fracking" gas operation in their state.

GAS is not GAS.

There is no shortage .... it's a con.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 3:41pm
Interesting comment Gnads. Nothing that big business or big Government say is true. There's always a twist involved

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by cods on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm
the PM has fixed it................for now at any rate.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Aussie on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:25pm

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
the PM has fixed it................for now at any rate.


How?  All he has done is to tell the Gas Companies to fix it!

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:28pm

cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
the PM has fixed it................for now at any rate.



bullsh1t ... this is another cop out by turdball so that he doesn't have to legislate against the big corporations. Getting them to say they'll guarantee to meet demand isn't a guarantee of any worth.

Domestic demand must be legislated so as to protect the public.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm
With LNG plants like Barrow Island and Curtis Island its a crime that we have no domestic gas.

Another case of Government looking after big business and not the electorate.

We have an abundance but a hand full of greedy men reap all the benefits.

It's criminal, nothing else can describe it............. >:(

Gorgon Plant Barrow Island



Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Valkie on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:07pm
This is all just a well Planned and executed exercise in getting the grubberment to bend over and let the gas companies frack to their hearts content,.

And our prime minister has fallen for it and is now vowing to relax the obstacles preventing gas extraction by any means they want.

There is also no mention of recouping more taxes as a result.
It appears that Japan makes more in tax than the Australian grubberment from the gas taken from our country.

Australian politicians.......fools, idiiots and bribe takers

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:08pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
With LNG plants like Barrow Island and Curtis Island its a crime that we have no domestic gas.

Another case of Government looking after big business and not the electorate.

We have an abundance but a hand full of greedy men reap all the benefits.

It's criminal, nothing else can describe it............. >:(

Gorgon Plant Barrow Island



It's not LNG ..... that's just a convenient name to deflect any heat from the process which produces this gas.

And it's as far from NATURAL as you can get.

It's all gas extracted by unconventional multi hole horizontal Hydraulic Fracturing of coal seams.

Pumping into the earth a concoction of toxic chemicals that they won't divulge to anyone including govt.

That's also criminal yet both LNP & LABOR govts have condoned it.  ::)

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:10pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
This is all just a well Planned and executed exercise in getting the grubberment to bend over and let the gas companies frack to their hearts content,.

And our prime minister has fallen for it and is now vowing to relax the obstacles preventing gas extraction by any means they want.

There is also no mention of recouping more taxes as a result.
It appears that Japan makes more in tax than the Australian grubberment from the gas taken from our country.

Australian politicians.......fools, idiiots and bribe takers


Exactly what I've been saying ... it's a con/ a sham.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Unforgiven on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:46pm
Pipelines across Australia would be prohibitively expensive.

The last politician with the foresight for such a plan was Rex Connor in the Whitlam government. Unfortunately Red Baron voted for the small minded politicians of the day.

Connor proposed an East-West national energy grid and a gas pipeline. A concept too big for tiny Australian minds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Connor


Quote:
Minister[edit]
At the 1972 election Labor came to power under Gough Whitlam, and Connor was elected to the front-bench and appointed Minister for Minerals and Energy. In this portfolio he sought to develop an Australian-controlled mining and energy sector, one not controlled by the mining companies he disliked. Among his plans were a national energy grid and a gas pipe-line across Australia from the North-West Shelf gasfields to the cities of the south-east. He liked to recite a piece of poetry by Sam Walter Foss (who was, ironically, American):

Give me men to match my mountains,
Give me men to match my plains,
Men with freedom in their visions
And creation in their veins.

Connor's economic nationalism was popular with the Labor rank-and-file, and the 1973 oil crisis seemed to many to be a vindication of his views. After the 1974 election he topped the Caucus ballot for the second Whitlam ministry. But the flood of petrodollars which accompanied the energy crisis proved to be Connor's undoing.

During 1974 Connor sought to bypass the usual loan raising processes and raise money in the Middle East through an intermediary, a mysterious Pakistani banker called Tirath Khemlani. Because of strong opposition from the Treasury and the Attorney-General's Department about the legality of the loan (and about Khemlani's general bona fides), Cabinet decided in May 1975 that only the Treasurer, not Connor, was authorised to negotiate foreign loans in the name of the Australian government. Nevertheless, Connor went on negotiating through Khemlani for a huge petrodollar loan for his various development projects, confident that if he succeeded no-one would blame him, and if he failed no-one would know.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ard Reagh Ye Grappler on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:25pm
"BREAKING NEWS: The dust is still settling on the details, but Malcolm Turnbull has just announced that gas companies will be forced to reserve Australian gas, for Australian use, at a lower Australian price.

When the AWU started pushing for a gas reservation policy three years ago, our position was considered extreme. Gas was a fringe issue. But we fought hard and we fought persistently, in public and behind closed doors. We made gas reservation a national priority.

Two weeks ago, we wrote to Malcolm Turnbull calling on him to meet with energy companies, and renegotiate a better deal for Australians. At our National Conference we called again for gas reservation.

Well, today, after meeting with the gas exporters, the PM has promised Australians reservation and “reliable, secure, and affordable gas.”


Got the above in an email from the Union... here's a link:-

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/awu-calls-on-malcolm-turnbull-to-renegotiate-contracts-with-gas-exporters-20170226-guluvy.html

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:30pm

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
The last politician with the foresight for such a plan was Rex Connor in the Whitlam government.



Used to know his son, Jnr. Had dinner at my place a few times.
Interesting character.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


51% of all revenue raised from minerals should go to the govt. Alla Norway!

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:55pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


51% of all revenue raised from minerals should go to the govt. Alla Norway!


You de man, John.

I totally agree.

I'm all for capitalism and the profit motive but not when a small group of people driven by greed own almost all of the nation's natural assets. 

And then we have the idiots who run NSW legislating to allow 50% of all investment properties to be bought by foreign nationals.

Like Britain, Australia is run by idiots.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm
I totally agree Lord Herbert. Everything from power to water should be nationalised and protected. And also bans should be in place to prevent foreign nationals owning property in Australia you know..., a bit like it is in China for instance :D

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Unforgiven on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:42pm

red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
I totally agree Lord Herbert. Everything from power to water should be nationalised and protected. And also bans should be in place to prevent foreign nationals owning property in Australia you know..., a bit like it is in China for instance :D


Red Baron turns pinko.

Abandons capitalism now Red Baron is on welfare.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:40pm
Ha ha ha ha Unforgiven. I haven't turned anything, after all what I suggested is right in line with what Donald Trump is doing right now in America. That is he is telling the world to go f....k itself and concentrating on looking after the U.S.A. I can't see a single thing wrong with that. After all China has been doing it for years, reaming the world that is.


Too bad the only single Politician who has the guts to do that here, is Pauline Hansen but alas she is no Donald Trump and wasn't exactly at the head of the queue when the grey matter was being handed out.....

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Unforgiven on Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm
Read it and weep. Dig deep for energy costs. It's going to hurt.

Australians should stop whining and come up with the money for gas field exploration and development, as well as the money for long distance pipelines to get the gas to large cities.

When the North Rankin gas field was implemented, the publicity called it "the loneliest gas in the world".

It would not have been developed if not for long term LNG supply contracts with Japan.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-13/residents-most-likely-to-bear-cost-of-gas-shortage/8349790


Quote:
Gas shortage: 'Worst fears being realised' as residents most likely to bear cost of shortage
By business reporter Thuy Ong
Updated Wed at 6:29am

Australia's "worst fears are being realised" when it comes to gas supply, and the market is in crisis with residents most likely to bear the costs, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) chairman Rod Sims has said in a speech to a gas conference.

Key points:

The ACCC says the outlook for gas supply is worse than it was a year ago
Australia is home to some of the largest gas deposits in the world but a gas bonanza in Asia has led to shortages at home
ACCC chairman Rod Sims says the industry had not expected Victoria to ban onshore gas exploration and production until 2020
The scarcity of available gas has seen prices jump up to four times above historic levels.

The ACCC said there were three main factors affecting the east coast's gas supply: the introduction of LNG exports which tripled the demand for gas, oil prices falling faster than forecast, and regulatory uncertainty that has significantly limited or delayed gas supply.

"The outlook for gas supply is now even worse than it was a year ago, indeed, our worst fears are being realised," Mr Sims said.
"At best, how can these companies invest and plan such high and uncertain gas prices and with considerable supply uncertainty. At worst, plants will close and jobs will be lost purely as a result of the current gas crisis."

The ACCC said it had observed a year ago that wholesale gas prices made up 15 to 30 per cent of total residential gas bills and household bills would increase by 5 per cent in NSW and 11 per cent in Victoria, if wholesale gas prices increased by $2 a gigajoule (GJ).

But, the ACCC now says wholesale gas prices have, or will increase by many times that amount.

World's biggest gas exporter

Australia is home to some of the largest gas deposits in the world, but a $200 billion investment in liquefaction and shipping facilities has seen it transformed into the world's biggest gas exporter.

Three massive plants at Curtis Island are contracted to supply Asia with gas, and an unintended consequence of the gas bonanza has been to create shortages at home.

Research by forecasters BIS Oxford Economics and commissioned by the AWU suggests that without affordable and reliable gas, one in five heavy manufacturers will close by 2021, with the loss of 235,000 jobs.

Currently, there are seven, but soon to be 10, export plants liquefying gas and shipping it offshore, and recent research has found the country needs to lift its total energy output by 50 per cent just to meet its expected exports in 2020.

"Ordinarily, higher gas prices would provide producers an incentive to increase investment in exploration and development activities," Mr Sims said.

"However, the east coast gas market was caught in a 'clash of cycles', with historically high domestic gas prices coinciding with falling international oil prices."

The ACCC said LNG gas developers fell into a trap of assuming $100+ oil prices would continue, rather than planning an assumption of the long-run average of prices around $55.

Mr Sims said regulatory uncertainty delayed or stopped development, and that the industry had not expected Victoria to ban all onshore gas exploration and production until 2020. Victoria implemented the policy on environmental and social considerations.

Production forecasts indicated that from the start of the year, meeting expected demand would require the development of new reserves, the ACCC said.

"Australia has enormous gas resources; gas availability is clearly not the issue," he said.
"If I was providing private advice to the LNG producers, I would say they would be well advised to support the domestic market as much as they can at this critical time.

"They could, for example, weigh carefully their willingness to sell gas on the LNG spot markets above meeting their contractual commitments. Alternatively, they could develop additional gas for the domestic market."

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by red baron on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:58pm
Already public property has been sold off. Mike Baird sold the Electricity Grid then the prick bailed out for a multi million dollar job in Private Banking

We are going to pay and and pay for his folly but the people of New South Wales had a chance to avert it when we went to the polls but the donkeys could only see the multi billion dollar pay day that selling it off involved

Problems is when Governments have multi billion dollar once in a generation incomes, they go out and spend it like legless sailors. We now have a Grid that is in private hands and we can look forward to the blackouts that Victoria experience because the Grid is not maintained like it was when in public hands

We have ourselves to blame

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:10pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


X2.........well said Herbie.............. 8-)

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
All of the resources are owned by the people genius.


You're brain washed...........LOL.......... ;D

Do the people reap 100% of the profits.........??

OR just a few greedy men who's belly is a bottomless pit....!!


Quote:
Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.


Have you forgotten the days when our government owned all the utilities, our telecommunications, our own bank (outlawed today) and there was employment other than private enterprise.


Quote:
If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2.

Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up.

There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer.

In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will.

All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices.

Nothing could be further from the truth........... >:(

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
All of the resources are owned by the people genius.


You're brain washed...........LOL.......... ;D

Do the people reap 100% of the profits.........??

OR just a few greedy men who's belly is a bottomless pit....!!


Quote:
Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.


Have you forgotten the days when our government owned all the utilities, our telecommunications, our own bank (outlawed today) and there was employment other than private enterprise.

[quote]If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2.

Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up.

There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer.

In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will.

All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices.

Nothing could be further from the truth........... >:(
[/quote]


You have no idea about resources do you?

Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation.


Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about.


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:28pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
You have no idea about resources do you?

Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation.


Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about.


Ok you go on believing Milton Friedman's dribble.....LOL

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!)

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!)


Are you crazy..........??!!

We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!!

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


Poverty?  Poverty? 

Are you friggin mad?

They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


Poverty?  Poverty? 

Are you friggin mad?

They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Take mining and resources out of Australia's economy and get back to me, you economic illiterate.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!)


Are you crazy..........??!!

We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!!


Errrr well it would be a step in the right direction!


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:03pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
You have no idea about resources do you?

Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation.


Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about.


Ok you go on believing Milton Friedman's dribble.....LOL



Who the fkk is milton freidman and what does he have to do with Australia's resources and their ownership?



Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:05pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


Poverty?  Poverty? 

Are you friggin mad?

They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Take mining and resources out of Australia's economy and get back to me, you economic illiterate.  ;D ;D ;D


They pay no tax on the export of this gas what dont you understand about that!

They actually pay tax to Japan to import it!

Nowhere else in the friggin world allows this you fool!

Illiterate FFS you stupid fool  !  >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


Poverty?  Poverty? 

Are you friggin mad?

They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Take mining and resources out of Australia's economy and get back to me, you economic illiterate.  ;D ;D ;D


They pay no tax on the export of this gas what dont you understand about that!

They actually pay tax to Japan to import it!

Nowhere else in the friggin world allows this you fool!

Illiterate FFS you stupid fool  !  >:( >:( >:( >:(



You didn't answer the question, maybe get a child to fully explain to you.

Try again.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm
Never suggested that faarkwit!


Now you can answer why they should pay no tax!


Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Unforgiven on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm

Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!)


Are you crazy..........??!!

We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!!


Dirt is not cheap in Australia. In fact, it is very expensive.

The only thing cheap in Australia is air. Because no government has yet discovered a way to tax it.

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:32pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Never suggested that faarkwit!


Now you can answer why they should pay no tax!


Gone into hiding again Big Hole the fool!

;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:30pm

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm:

Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!)


Are you crazy..........??!!

We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!!


Dirt is not cheap in Australia. In fact, it is very expensive.

The only thing cheap in Australia is air. Because no government has yet discovered a way to tax it.


WRONG.................!!

Ever heard of a carbon tax or an ETS system.

Taxing the free air right there pal........... ;)

Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate
Post by John Smith on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:32pm

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm:
Dirt is not cheap in Australia. In fact, it is very expensive.



NBN guys were today whinging it cost them $99 m3


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