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Title: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:12am
The warnings of insufficient Gas are a joke - if it wasn't so serious. The Gas companies advise that we are facing a crisis. We are one of the biggest exporters of Gas in the World yet suppliers say we are facing a shortage crisis
The only ones who should be facing a crisis are the Gas companies It is our Gas, the Australian peoples' that is. Malcolm Turnbull should legislate that the supplier MUST supply local requirements before exporting any Gas overseas If they don't like it then cancel their licence to operate here Price fixing for Australian consumers should also figure in the Legislation Could you see Donald Trump allowing such a scenario to happen in America |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 1:59pm Are you starting to feel angry yet?..Angry at these money grubbing Gas Companies raping our resources for them to get rich whilst we can go piss in the corner with a tin cup for a bit of our own property? Malcolm Turnbull is a piss ant...He should take lessons from Donald Trump on how to manage what is ours. We are having our pants pulled down over our national Gas reserves |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 2:31pm
We only export CSG - fracked Coal Seam gas.
and there's no shortage of that at the moment. The gas companies just choose to chase the higher export price above any domestic market. Our domestic gas is LPG Liquid Petroleum Gas it comes from the refining of oil there is no shortage of LPG. This is a total scam so to allow big gas & oil to expand their Coal Seam Gas exploration and drilling and operations into areas they have been denied access because of environmental issues. They want to use it to turn around the Victorian govts decision to ban "fracking" gas operation in their state. GAS is not GAS. There is no shortage .... it's a con. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 15th, 2017 at 3:41pm
Interesting comment Gnads. Nothing that big business or big Government say is true. There's always a twist involved
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Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by cods on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm
the PM has fixed it................for now at any rate.
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Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Aussie on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:25pm cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
How? All he has done is to tell the Gas Companies to fix it! |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:28pm cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
bullsh1t ... this is another cop out by turdball so that he doesn't have to legislate against the big corporations. Getting them to say they'll guarantee to meet demand isn't a guarantee of any worth. Domestic demand must be legislated so as to protect the public. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm
With LNG plants like Barrow Island and Curtis Island its a crime that we have no domestic gas.
Another case of Government looking after big business and not the electorate. We have an abundance but a hand full of greedy men reap all the benefits. It's criminal, nothing else can describe it............. >:( Gorgon Plant Barrow Island |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Valkie on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:07pm
This is all just a well Planned and executed exercise in getting the grubberment to bend over and let the gas companies frack to their hearts content,.
And our prime minister has fallen for it and is now vowing to relax the obstacles preventing gas extraction by any means they want. There is also no mention of recouping more taxes as a result. It appears that Japan makes more in tax than the Australian grubberment from the gas taken from our country. Australian politicians.......fools, idiiots and bribe takers |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:08pm Ajax wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
It's not LNG ..... that's just a convenient name to deflect any heat from the process which produces this gas. And it's as far from NATURAL as you can get. It's all gas extracted by unconventional multi hole horizontal Hydraulic Fracturing of coal seams. Pumping into the earth a concoction of toxic chemicals that they won't divulge to anyone including govt. That's also criminal yet both LNP & LABOR govts have condoned it. ::) |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Gnads on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:10pm Valkie wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Exactly what I've been saying ... it's a con/ a sham. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Unforgiven on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:46pm
Pipelines across Australia would be prohibitively expensive.
The last politician with the foresight for such a plan was Rex Connor in the Whitlam government. Unfortunately Red Baron voted for the small minded politicians of the day. Connor proposed an East-West national energy grid and a gas pipeline. A concept too big for tiny Australian minds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Connor Quote:
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Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ard Reagh Ye Grappler on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:25pm
"BREAKING NEWS: The dust is still settling on the details, but Malcolm Turnbull has just announced that gas companies will be forced to reserve Australian gas, for Australian use, at a lower Australian price.
When the AWU started pushing for a gas reservation policy three years ago, our position was considered extreme. Gas was a fringe issue. But we fought hard and we fought persistently, in public and behind closed doors. We made gas reservation a national priority. Two weeks ago, we wrote to Malcolm Turnbull calling on him to meet with energy companies, and renegotiate a better deal for Australians. At our National Conference we called again for gas reservation. Well, today, after meeting with the gas exporters, the PM has promised Australians reservation and “reliable, secure, and affordable gas.” Got the above in an email from the Union... here's a link:- http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/awu-calls-on-malcolm-turnbull-to-renegotiate-contracts-with-gas-exporters-20170226-guluvy.html |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:30pm Unforgiven wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Used to know his son, Jnr. Had dinner at my place a few times. Interesting character. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.
Period. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by John Smith on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
51% of all revenue raised from minerals should go to the govt. Alla Norway! |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Lord Herbert on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:55pm John Smith wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
You de man, John. I totally agree. I'm all for capitalism and the profit motive but not when a small group of people driven by greed own almost all of the nation's natural assets. And then we have the idiots who run NSW legislating to allow 50% of all investment properties to be bought by foreign nationals. Like Britain, Australia is run by idiots. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm
I totally agree Lord Herbert. Everything from power to water should be nationalised and protected. And also bans should be in place to prevent foreign nationals owning property in Australia you know..., a bit like it is in China for instance :D
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Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Unforgiven on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:42pm red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
Red Baron turns pinko. Abandons capitalism now Red Baron is on welfare. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:40pm
Ha ha ha ha Unforgiven. I haven't turned anything, after all what I suggested is right in line with what Donald Trump is doing right now in America. That is he is telling the world to go f....k itself and concentrating on looking after the U.S.A. I can't see a single thing wrong with that. After all China has been doing it for years, reaming the world that is.
Too bad the only single Politician who has the guts to do that here, is Pauline Hansen but alas she is no Donald Trump and wasn't exactly at the head of the queue when the grey matter was being handed out..... |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Unforgiven on Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm
Read it and weep. Dig deep for energy costs. It's going to hurt.
Australians should stop whining and come up with the money for gas field exploration and development, as well as the money for long distance pipelines to get the gas to large cities. When the North Rankin gas field was implemented, the publicity called it "the loneliest gas in the world". It would not have been developed if not for long term LNG supply contracts with Japan. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-13/residents-most-likely-to-bear-cost-of-gas-shortage/8349790 Quote:
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Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All of the resources are owned by the people genius. Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question. If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by red baron on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:58pm
Already public property has been sold off. Mike Baird sold the Electricity Grid then the prick bailed out for a multi million dollar job in Private Banking
We are going to pay and and pay for his folly but the people of New South Wales had a chance to avert it when we went to the polls but the donkeys could only see the multi billion dollar pay day that selling it off involved Problems is when Governments have multi billion dollar once in a generation incomes, they go out and spend it like legless sailors. We now have a Grid that is in private hands and we can look forward to the blackouts that Victoria experience because the Grid is not maintained like it was when in public hands We have ourselves to blame |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:10pm Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
X2.........well said Herbie.............. 8-) |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
You're brain washed...........LOL.......... ;D Do the people reap 100% of the profits.........?? OR just a few greedy men who's belly is a bottomless pit....!! Quote:
Have you forgotten the days when our government owned all the utilities, our telecommunications, our own bank (outlawed today) and there was employment other than private enterprise. Quote:
RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2. Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up. There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer. In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will. All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices. Nothing could be further from the truth........... >:( |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2. Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up. There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer. In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will. All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices. Nothing could be further from the truth........... >:( [/quote] You have no idea about resources do you? Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation. Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:28pm BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
Ok you go on believing Milton Friedman's dribble.....LOL |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.
More important these pr1cks should be paying tax PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called. FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free! GRRRRR >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( (Red doing a cods!) |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Are you crazy..........??!! We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!! |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
Poverty? Poverty? Are you friggin mad? They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Take mining and resources out of Australia's economy and get back to me, you economic illiterate. ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Errrr well it would be a step in the right direction! |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:03pm Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
Who the fkk is milton freidman and what does he have to do with Australia's resources and their ownership? |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:05pm BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
They pay no tax on the export of this gas what dont you understand about that! They actually pay tax to Japan to import it! Nowhere else in the friggin world allows this you fool! Illiterate FFS you stupid fool ! >:( >:( >:( >:( |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by BigOl64 on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:05pm:
You didn't answer the question, maybe get a child to fully explain to you. Try again. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm
Never suggested that faarkwit!
Now you can answer why they should pay no tax! |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Unforgiven on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Dirt is not cheap in Australia. In fact, it is very expensive. The only thing cheap in Australia is air. Because no government has yet discovered a way to tax it. |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Redmond Neck on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:32pm Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Gone into hiding again Big Hole the fool! ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by Ajax on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:30pm Unforgiven wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm:
WRONG.................!! Ever heard of a carbon tax or an ETS system. Taxing the free air right there pal........... ;) |
Title: Re: GAS- the lack of - time to Legislate Post by John Smith on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:32pm Unforgiven wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:24pm:
NBN guys were today whinging it cost them $99 m3 |
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