islam promotes terrorism

I'd put it differently.

Conservative mainstream Islam pump primes people so all the extremists have to do is give them a nudge to get them over the line, and then all the Imams do this little farcical dance.....but Islam is the religion of peace.

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

I'd put it differently. Conservative mainstream Islam pump primes people so all the extremists have to do is give them a nudge to get them over the line, and then all the Imams do this little farcical dance.....but Islam is the religion of peace.

I would put it that an enthusiastic muslim is on par with a lunatic christian as far as the level of bat sh1t murdering crazy goes.

So from sane and easy to get a long with to the fkkers who should be killed in their sleep.


Atheists / agnostics / Buddhists

Other eastern religions / Jews

Barely showing up to church christians - weddings, christening, funerals

Enthusiastic christians, go on sundays and believes in the fairy tale

Moderate muslims / orthodox anything

Enthusiastic muslims, lunatic christians, will justify killing in the name of the fairytale

Lunatic muslims / sh1t throwing mental patients (advanced lunatic christians) , actually kills indiscriminately for 'god's approval'

If Islam creates terrorism, why is this so?

Until the Western world required oil, Islam was a backwater of progress. It was not the automobile or power stations that created this thirst for oil, at first. It was when the navies of the world converted their ships from coal fired boilers to oil, around 1900.

But the West was still largely under the thumb of aristocratic clans with their monarchs and princes claiming the sanction of religion. Public education and disemination of printed information set social progress on its way about the same time.

In the West, these changes tended to be attitudes and perceptions that could be traced back through the Enlightenment all the way to the Italian Renaissance.

Had oil not been in the equation, Islam might have remained a great sea of ignorance and superstition, but oil brought the Middle East into the West's sphere of influence. Centres closer to this influence began to liberalise, Turkey being the best example. But this did not sit well with conservative religionists who felt threatened by change.

Islam has to face every day knowing it is still effectively a backwater, and terrorism is the manifestation of this frustration. But to liberalise, it would require admitting their cultural inferiority. And so they cling to the idea that they are the keepers of some great cosmic truth handed to them by God.

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But the West was still largely under the thumb of aristocratic clans with their monarchs and princes claiming the sanction of religion.

In 1900?

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2017 at 8:37am:

Quote: But the West was still largely under the thumb of aristocratic clans with their monarchs and princes claiming the sanction of religion. In 1900?

Great Britain, Germany, Austria, Japan, and Russia, apart from the USA, had the most powerful navies, which were and still are, instruments of foreign policy. All these countries were Monarchies in 1900, held in place by aristocracies, respectability, and sycophantic social climbing industrialists. And the USA was not much better. All the royal families claimed to rule by the grace of God. The church had made the deal to agree, a long time before.

Great Britain is still technically a monarchy, as is Australia. But they have had a significant parliament since about 1700.

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..............A man has been arrested after a truck crashed into a crowd in central Stockholm, killing four people and injuring 15 others in what Sweden's Prime Minister said appeared to be a terrorist attack......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-07/stockholm-attack-man-arrested-after-four-killed-sweden/8427238

islam again

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

Great Britain is still technically a monarchy, as is Australia. But they have had a significant parliament since about 1700.

I blame Islam.

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........................THE Islamic State group claimed responsibility for bombing two Egyptian churches as worshippers gathered to mark Palm Sunday, killing at least 38 people in the deadliest attacks on the Coptic Christian minority in recent memory. The attacks followed a Cairo church bombing in December and came weeks ahead of a planned visit by Catholic Pope Francis intended to show support for the country’s Christian minority.........

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/extremists-kill-13-and-injure-35-others-in-horrific-bomb-blast-at-an-egyptian-church/news-story/829d42cb1d9b695cfec2ad01a5db59c5


karnal - feel free to add your mindless nonsense again

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2017 at 8:37am:

Quote: But the West was still largely under the thumb of aristocratic clans with their monarchs and princes claiming the sanction of religion. In 1900?

In 1915.

Gott mit uns.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10^th, 2017 at 2:14am:

Quote: ........................THE Islamic State group claimed responsibility for bombing two Egyptian churches as worshippers gathered to mark Palm Sunday, killing at least 38 people in the deadliest attacks on the Coptic Christian minority in recent memory. The attacks followed a Cairo church bombing in December and came weeks ahead of a planned visit by Catholic Pope Francis intended to show support for the country’s Christian minority......... http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/extremists-kill-13-and-injure-35-others-in-horrific-bomb-blast-at-an-egyptian-church/news-story/829d42cb1d9b695cfec2ad01a5db59c5 karnal - feel free to add your mindless nonsense again

Cesterete them.

It is time to liberate the West from Islam.  They are colonising us, we should turf them out.  Islam bring nothing positive and everything negative. It is a monster of an ideology.

Liberation from Islam now.

Gordon wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

I'd put it differently. Conservative mainstream Islam pump primes people so all the extremists have to do is give them a nudge to get them over the line, and then all the Imams do this little farcical dance.....but Islam is the religion of peace.

The Koran says to terrorise the infidel.

freediver wrote on Apr 8^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

Great Britain is still technically a monarchy, as is Australia. But they have had a significant parliament since about 1700.

Ah no we are not a monarchy...   sorry...  but it just aint so.

Grendel wrote on Apr 20^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 8th, 2017 at 10:03am: Great Britain is still technically a monarchy, as is Australia. But they have had a significant parliament since about 1700. Ah no we are not a monarchy...   sorry...  but it just aint so.

Do we have a queen?

We have a Constitutional Monarchy FD...  not a Monarchy...  there is a difference.

Is a constitutional Monarchy a Monarchy?

issuevoter wrote on Apr 8^th, 2017 at 8:14am:

If Islam creates terrorism, why is this so? Until the Western world required oil, Islam was a backwater of progress. It was not the automobile or power stations that created this thirst for oil, at first. It was when the navies of the world converted their ships from coal fired boilers to oil, around 1900. But the West was still largely under the thumb of aristocratic clans with their monarchs and princes claiming the sanction of religion. Public education and disemination of printed information set social progress on its way about the same time. In the West, these changes tended to be attitudes and perceptions that could be traced back through the Enlightenment all the way to the Italian Renaissance. Had oil not been in the equation, Islam might have remained a great sea of ignorance and superstition, but oil brought the Middle East into the West's sphere of influence. Centres closer to this influence began to liberalise, Turkey being the best example. But this did not sit well with conservative religionists who felt threatened by change. Islam has to face every day knowing it is still effectively a backwater, and terrorism is the manifestation of this frustration. But to liberalise, it would require admitting their cultural inferiority. And so they cling to the idea that they are the keepers of some great cosmic truth handed to them by God.

A good post, Issue, but you're speaking solely of the Arab world, not the Muslim world, which was built many years before 1900 on trade, not oil.

Persia was the nexus between east and west, Europe and China. Sultanates along the silk road held a large bulk of the world's wealth, through taxation. The "Muslim world" secured the route, not only policing and defending travellers from bandits, it gave them wells and comfortable, air-cooled rest houses. Persian rulers were largely pragmatic, benefiting from the spoils of trade. All belief systems were tolerated. In Shiraz, Christians made and exported wine while Muslims traded sultanas - a nice little earner on the spice trade.

While European kingdoms were struggling to get in on this trade, Muslim rulers in places like India were exporting the pepper, cardamom and cinamon. Muslims in Java and Sumatra produced the world's cloves and nutmeg. Like travellers today, Western explorers couldn't believe the wealth in these regions and how well they ate. And not just food, but manufactured goods: woodwork, tiles, textiles. Christopher Columbus, remember, was not looking for America, but India.

The Arabian peninsular was probably one of the least populated Muslim regions, and in geopolitical terms, off the beaten track. It might have spawned Islam, but Islam grew, and largely through trade. Another Muslim benefit was Islamic medicine, its success assisting in converting a number of rulers in Africa and the East Indies.The Enlightenment you described saw the West surpass the Muslim world in surgery and medicine, along with plenty of other things - like military technology.

In reality, the "Muslim world" could not accurately be described as a world at all. The Persians, Ottomans, Moors, Moguls, Javans,, etc - and all the rest - were never united. Like Christian Europe, there were wars and alliances and rival factions.

But Arabia has only ever been one part of this world, and energy (oil) is only a short, if important, chapter of the story.