really should reconsider their priorities.

A video recording of Indonesian vigilantes detaining two young gay men captures them kicking, slapping and insulting the pair, shortly before they are turned over to the province's religious police.
Key points:

    Detained men face maximum penalty of 100 strokes of cane
    Rights groups say discrimination against minorities increasing in Indonesia
    Religious police in Banda Aceh enforce province's strict sharia law

The young men, aged 20 and 23, have already been held in custody for 10 days and are likely to be the country's first gay couple to face trial for breaching religious laws.

In the latest example of Indonesia's growing religious conservatism, the men will be caned if convicted and face a maximum penalty of 100 strokes.

The shaky cell phone video shows a naked young man slumped on the floor, making a desperate phone call.

link

We have pillow-biters on the OzPol membership roll-call who never fail to go leaping to the defence of Islam and Muslims whenever these are mentioned by the cynics here, as though by doing so they're earning credit chips against the day when a group of burly and bearded swarthy gentlemen will be knocking on their door around midnight under a future theocratic Islamic regime.

Are there any examples of Muslim majority countries that are improving?

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 8:26am:

Are there any examples of Muslim majority countries that are improving?

Gandalf? What does your research tell you?

Is Karnal sure this isn't Pakistan,  she often confuses the two.

ABC is now reporting what I've been saying for a while.

In the latest example of Indonesia's growing religious conservatism

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 8:19am:

really should reconsider their priorities. A video recording of Indonesian vigilantes detaining two young gay men captures them kicking, slapping and insulting the pair, shortly before they are turned over to the province's religious police. Key points:     Detained men face maximum penalty of 100 strokes of cane     Rights groups say discrimination against minorities increasing in Indonesia     Religious police in Banda Aceh enforce province's strict sharia law The young men, aged 20 and 23, have already been held in custody for 10 days and are likely to be the country's first gay couple to face trial for breaching religious laws. In the latest example of Indonesia's growing religious conservatism, the men will be caned if convicted and face a maximum penalty of 100 strokes. The shaky cell phone video shows a naked young man slumped on the floor, making a desperate phone call. link We have pillow-biters on the OzPol membership roll-call who never fail to go leaping to the defence of Islam and Muslims whenever these are mentioned by the cynics here, as though by doing so they're earning credit chips against the day when a group of burly and bearded swarthy gentlemen will be knocking on their door around midnight under a future theocratic Islamic regime.

I don't know how many gay friends you have Herb, not many I'm guessing, but I can tell you that mine are all anti-Muzlim, for obvious reasons.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 8:37am:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 8:26am: Are there any examples of Muslim majority countries that are improving? Gandalf? What does your research tell you?

improving in what way exactly??.. to some people killing more infidels! is improving.. ::)

issuevoter wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:15am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 8:19am: really should reconsider their priorities. A video recording of Indonesian vigilantes detaining two young gay men captures them kicking, slapping and insulting the pair, shortly before they are turned over to the province's religious police. Key points:     Detained men face maximum penalty of 100 strokes of cane     Rights groups say discrimination against minorities increasing in Indonesia     Religious police in Banda Aceh enforce province's strict sharia law The young men, aged 20 and 23, have already been held in custody for 10 days and are likely to be the country's first gay couple to face trial for breaching religious laws. In the latest example of Indonesia's growing religious conservatism, the men will be caned if convicted and face a maximum penalty of 100 strokes. The shaky cell phone video shows a naked young man slumped on the floor, making a desperate phone call. link We have pillow-biters on the OzPol membership roll-call who never fail to go leaping to the defence of Islam and Muslims whenever these are mentioned by the cynics here, as though by doing so they're earning credit chips against the day when a group of burly and bearded swarthy gentlemen will be knocking on their door around midnight under a future theocratic Islamic regime. I don't know how many gay friends you have Herb, not many I'm guessing, but I can tell you that mine are all anti-Muzlim, for obvious reasons.

issuevoter,

QUESTION;
Are you yourself, a 'reformed' gay apologist for moslems ?

You are gay.

Time to 'come out' ?



Sorry.

None of my business       ....is it.

:)

issuevoter wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:15am:

I don't know how many gay friends you have Herb, not many I'm guessing, but I can tell you that mine are all anti-Muzlim, for obvious reasons.

I don't, and never have had gay friends (that I know of) - but it always surprises me when I see gay groups on TV demonstrating against 'rightwing' groups who are demonstrating against Islam and Muslim immigration ...

Banners are up, saying things like 'NOT IN OUR NAME!' ... 'DOWN WITH RACISM!' ... 'REFUGEES ARE WELCOME HERE!' ... 'OUTLAW HATE, NOT REFUGEES!' ...

... and young Muslim immigrants, recently arrived from the 7th century, are thoroughly perplexed as to why these screeching homosexuals beneath their rainbow flags are in support of their religion which sees 10 Muslim-majority countries having the Death Penalty for buggery.

What's so appalling is that these Gays-for-Islam ingenues (' generally a girl or a young woman who is endearingly innocent and wholesome') are university students with good, functioning brains that simply refuse to realise the tragic irony of wanting to silence people who want to halt any further immigration of a people who would be their worst nightmare should Islam ascend to political power.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 1:24pm:

I don't, and never have had gay friends (that I know of) - but it always surprises me when I see gay groups on TV demonstrating against 'rightwing' groups who are demonstrating against Islam and Muslim immigration ... Banners are up, saying things like 'NOT IN OUR NAME!' ... 'DOWN WITH RACISM!' ... 'REFUGEES ARE WELCOME HERE!' ... 'OUTLAW HATE, NOT REFUGEES!' ...

CLICK this image search....
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=gays,+refugees+are+welcome+images


"Oh i'm so excited darling!      I can't wait for ISLAMIC law to be imposed here,         and then,       to be beaten to a pulp, and then days later,          be thrown off a high roof top by three big, burly, hirsute boys!"

LGBTIQA;   as smart as a bag of beans.    what would they do without their mommy ?




.





IMAGE....
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/img/round-up-gays-egypt.jpg

Gay men being rounded up for "processing" in the Islamic world





IMAGE....
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4993119.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/Thrown-from-a-roof-stoned-to-death-and-crucified-new-ISIS-executions-show-medieval-brutality.jpg


QUESTION;
Is it only legitimate to have a "phobia" about moslems, AFTER they throw you off a roof?



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-state-throw-two-men-4993204




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx

What a hellhole Aceh must be. That reminds me of a joke.
What do you do if an aborigine wants land rights?
Kick him in the balls and give him 2 achers.

It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community.

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community.

Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians.

Human rights, innit.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit.

One can but on the whole no.

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no.

On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.

On whole most Muslims condemn homosexuality and where they have their law they persecute.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.

Define 'persecute'.

Mistress Nicole wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:14pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians. Define 'persecute'.

Persecute would mean tossing of tall buildings.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.

On the whole, would they tick the box in a referendum which says they approve of homosexual liberation?

The problem in Western countries with large Muslim-minority communities is that nobody dares poll them on certain human and civil rights issues least this reflect badly on them and encourage negative feelings by the broader community against them.

Always, our Muslim communities are protected and shielded against any sort of investigative reporting that might cast a poor light upon them.

A very protected species as no other.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.

On the whole, all moslems have an inclination to lie about ISLAM, and what it means, to be a moslem,        .....to those who are not moslems.

Where's Greggy - he's been gone for days?

On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians.


If they were on the right hole we would not have this problem

No amount of political correctness will make what the bone head Muslims do to gays acceptable.

Unless you are a total fruitloop self loathing drongo

miketrees wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians. If they were on the right hole we would not have this problem No amount of political correctness will make what the bone head Muslims do to gays acceptable. Unless you are a total fruitloop self loathing drongo

It was only less than 150 years ago that England hanged homosexuals.
So did many other countries including us I think.

It was only less than 150 years ago that England hanged homosexuals.
So did many other countries including us I think.

And your point?

miketrees wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

It was only less than 150 years ago that England hanged homosexuals. So did many other countries including us I think. And your point?

My point is that Muslims are only 150 years behind us in progress.

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:20pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:14pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians. On whole most Muslims condemn homosexuality and where they have their law they persecute.

It reads very much like you are not aware of this but in 20 Muslim majority countries, homosexuality is perfectly legal.

In some of those countries, there are specific anti-discrimination laws in place.

Furthermore, in Albania, Tunisia, Lebanon, and Turkey, there are discussions about legalising same sex marriage.

So indeed, on the whole, Muslims do not persecute gays and lesbians.

Mistress Nicole wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:14pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:12pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:08pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 5:53pm: It's a conflict of interests for the mardi gras types, confusion reigns supreme within this community. Not at all. One can be opposed to the persecution of gays and lesbians without condemning all of the people who follow a religion that in parts of the world persecutes gays and lesbians. Human rights, innit. One can but on the whole no. On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians. Define 'persecute'.

Well in 11 Muslim majority countries, homosexuality attracts the death penalty.

In several others, it is illegal.

Is that persecution enough?

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 6:14pm: On the whole, not all Muslims persecute gays and lesbians. On the whole, would they tick the box in a referendum which says they approve of homosexual liberation? The problem in Western countries with large Muslim-minority communities is that nobody dares poll them on certain human and civil rights issues least this reflect badly on them and encourage negative feelings by the broader community against them. Always, our Muslim communities are protected and shielded against any sort of investigative reporting that might cast a poor light upon them. A very protected species as no other.

Many certainly would.

Like these ones:

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/1200x630/format/jpg/quality/85/http%3A%2F%2Fi.huffpost.com%2Fgen%2F4078700%2Fimages%2Fn-MARDI-GRAS-628x314.jpg

A gay friend of mine from Uni was defending Islam on facebook a while back, but not since Orlando and Palmyra.

Indonesia is lurching towards religious conservatism.
Looks like all the loot Saudi Arabia is pouring into religious education is paying off.


730report did a cover story on in tonight and on the news a human rights watch rep, Andreas Harsono  said Australia should take note as introduction of Aceh style  sharia is gaining traction throughout Indonesia.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

A gay friend of mine from Uni was defending Islam on facebook a while back, but not since Orlando and Palmyra.

I have a homo uncle who was also very senior in Aust signals directorate,  posted for 15+ years in Indo.
Hes never defended Islam :)

200,000,000 to the north of us have different views.

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:38pm:

200,000,000 to the north of us have different views.

Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra.

Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra. Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states.

Did i say it was a "wonderful place"?

I did not.

I merely corrected Jeez.

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra.

Homosexuality is not illegal in Indonesia but the country’s Consitutional Court is considering to recriminalise sex outside of marriage and gay sex.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/gay-couple-filmed-beaten-and-insulted-after-neighbours-report-them-having-sex-to-police/news-story/46dc0b5a1faba86a850ed0a7b32faa36

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 9:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra. Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states.

That ignores it was not so long ago when homosexual activity was a criminal offence in Australia.  You did know that, didn't you Effendi, and you just momentarily forgot, yeas?

;)

Aussie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:04pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:58pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra. Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states. That ignores it was not so long ago when homosexual activity was a criminal offence in Australia.  You did know that, didn't you Effendi, and you just momentarily forgot, yeas? ;)

How does it "ignore it" Aussie? Am I supposed to insert a moral equivalence into every post I make, just in case it makes Islam look bad?

The two poofs caught in Indonesia may set a precedent, the world is watching, nothing like a good caning.

freediver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 10:04pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:58pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra. Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states. That ignores it was not so long ago when homosexual activity was a criminal offence in Australia.  You did know that, didn't you Effendi, and you just momentarily forgot, yeas? ;) How does it "ignore it" Aussie? Am I supposed to insert a moral equivalence into every post I make, just in case it makes Islam look bad?

Why not?  If you are gonna chuck stones, get outside a glass house.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Where's Greggy - he's been gone for days?

Shussssssh.

Lets just assume that a shark took him.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 8:19am:

really should reconsider their priorities. A video recording of Indonesian vigilantes detaining two young gay men captures them kicking, slapping and insulting the pair, shortly before they are turned over to the province's religious police. Key points:     Detained men face maximum penalty of 100 strokes of cane     Rights groups say discrimination against minorities increasing in Indonesia     Religious police in Banda Aceh enforce province's strict sharia law The young men, aged 20 and 23, have already been held in custody for 10 days and are likely to be the country's first gay couple to face trial for breaching religious laws. In the latest example of Indonesia's growing religious conservatism, the men will be caned if convicted and face a maximum penalty of 100 strokes. The shaky cell phone video shows a naked young man slumped on the floor, making a desperate phone call. link We have pillow-biters on the OzPol membership roll-call who never fail to go leaping to the defence of Islam and Muslims whenever these are mentioned by the cynics here, as though by doing so they're earning credit chips against the day when a group of burly and bearded swarthy gentlemen will be knocking on their door around midnight under a future theocratic Islamic regime.

If it's rocking, dear, don't bother knocking.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

miketrees wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 7:42pm: It was only less than 150 years ago that England hanged homosexuals. So did many other countries including us I think. And your point? My point is that Muslims are only 150 years behind us in progress.

Hang em.

Yadda wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 11:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 7:26pm: Where's Greggy - he's been gone for days? Shussssssh. Lets just assume that a shark took him.

Post of the Day.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

It's been like a holiday without him.

If he's been kidnapped I hope his parents don't come up with the ransom money.

Aussie wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 10:20pm: Aussie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 10:04pm: freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:58pm: mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:55pm: Johnnie wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 9:38pm: 200,000,000 to the north of us have different views. Homosexuality is legal in Indonesia, except in Aceh and South Sumatra. Sounds like a wonderful place, if homosexuality is only illegal in two states. That ignores it was not so long ago when homosexual activity was a criminal offence in Australia.  You did know that, didn't you Effendi, and you just momentarily forgot, yeas? ;) How does it "ignore it" Aussie? Am I supposed to insert a moral equivalence into every post I make, just in case it makes Islam look bad? Why not?  If you are gonna chuck stones, get outside a glass house.

Because it takes special brand of spineless apologetics to even suggest such a thing.