Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:10pm
Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:08pm:
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Title: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm
And, Muslim men have slower reaction times and no ability to multi-task but are physically stronger and obliged to be the leader in a marriage.
Seriously, enough is enough. Protecting this bizarre regressive head up it's arse pile of turd religion has to stop. Reem AlloucheThe 30-minute video aimed to discuss a contentious verse from the Koran that says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous woman are Qanitat, and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them." http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslim-men-permitted-to-hit-wives-in-a-soft-and-symbolic-way-hizb-uttahrir-australia-women-say-20170413-gvk8rl.html |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:56pm
Where does it say a man must hit a woman lightly or mention a miswak in the Quran, these ladies are sugar coating this wife beating.
quran.com/4/34 Muslims on wife beating which is allowed by Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy. youtube.com/results?search_query=wife+beating+islam Only the morally bankrupt can defend this religion. ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by gandalf on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:57pm Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Its despicable, but I do hope this starts up a conversation within the muslim community, and we get to hear the progressive muslims who completely reject this interpretation of the Quran. I also (shock horror) hope that leftists who defend muslims won't be afraid to condemn these misogynistic remarks |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by gandalf on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:00pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
no, only the morally bankrupt can defend this interpretation of this religion. It is not the only interpretation, and there are muslims who reject the 'beating' interpretation - no matter how much you mock and try to discredit them. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:06pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
Muslims tell us the Quran is the words of Allah, the Quran is very clear your Allah allows wife beating if you fear disobedience. Is your Allah wrong about wife beating, the Quran is very clear despite attempts to sugar coat this wife beating. quran.com/4/34 How are you going to insert do not before the part about hitting women, will that be corrupting Allah's message? ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by miketrees on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:08pm [highlight] It is not the only interpretation, and there are muslims who reject the 'beating' interpretation - no matter how much you mock and try to discredit them.[/highlight] I think we need to see all Muslims (and everyone else) reject this, not just some. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:09pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
It looks like Saudi Arabia's investment in proselytising their puritanical rubbish is paying off. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:12pm
Why not Mr Rort? After all the Bible bashers do it, so why deny the Muslims the same flexibility.
Any 'religion' which asserts that violence against a partner is to be encouraged or condoned ain't worth jack schit, not that I need to rely on that single issue to make the assertion that all religion is worth jack schit. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:25pm Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
All muslims follow the Quran. google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wife+beating+iran |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:29pm
I don't see the apologists jumping to the defense of this CULT this time.....yet.
If there were any doubt that this CULT is full of liars and insane people, this is just another example. Were the women lying or just totally insane? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:31pm Quote:
There you go according to dim witted dopey retarded morally bankrupt leftists we should show some cultural sensitivity and not ask muslims why they beat their wives, the leftists would like to appease Islam by making muslims exempt from our domestic violence laws. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by gandalf on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:32pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Baron its not "its hit - now we have to excuse it and explain it away" - its questioning whether the word is 'hit" to begin with. It comes down to the interpretation of the word with the arabic root ضرب - 'D-R-B' The argument that it doesn't mean 'hit' draws on other references in the Quran where it is used, but the literal interpration 'hit' simply doesn't make sense |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm
Its just one of the reasons islamic women wear a burka.
To hide both the foreplay scars and beating bruises. Muslim foreplay= beat a woman/child unconscious. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:45pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Keysar Trad has better Arabic than you he says wife beating is allowed, are we to believe he is wrong as well and you are right? ::) google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=keysar+trad+wife+beating Keysar says it's a last resort, he is following the Quran. quran.com/4/34 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:46pm Quote:
Crap. Show me any posts made by anyone here (or any comment by a 'leftist' at large) which backs that up. Go on, off you toddle. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:48pm Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:45pm:
From your own link Mr Rort: Quote:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm
The compassionate thing to do for Muslims is to lead them away from Islam.
All religions stink but Islam is the most rotten. It's a collection of the worst ideas |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:59pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Is it the same word Aisha used when she said Muhammad struck her in the chest, causing her pain, after she went out of the house without his permission? How did Allah punish Muhammad for beating his favourite child bride? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:00pm Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Which link is that Arsie, did he start backpeddling after outrage from the centre -right? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:01pm Quote:
Your links ~ you ought to read them, Mr Rort. ;D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:08pm Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
I did read them Keysar says hitting a woman is the last resort just like his Allah says right here- quran.com/4/34 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:08pm
Abu often argued that Islam places strict limitations on wife beating. You have to be respectful about it, like using a soggy miswak for example. A miswak is a revolting thing that desert arabs chew on as an alternative to brushing their teeth.
According to Ab, the purpose of wife beating was not to leave a visible bruise, but to humiliate her into submission. The soggy miswak thing ties in well with that. He never could produce any Islamic justification for limiting wife beating, which kind of contradicted his point about it being unIslamic to forbid something that Islam permits. I guess Abu was a reformer, just like Gandalf. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
is this the same person who talked about how he would "deck" a women.. ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Sir Bobby on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm
So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
The straight answer is.....yes. Gender is not recognised in criminal law. Women are not given ten yards start or a gender 'get out of jail' free card. If a woman provokes a man, then the reaction can be the same as if a man provokes a man. If a woman assaults a man, the reaction can be the same as if a man assaults a man. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
no bobs read the posts.. you may touch them with a damp stick.. ::) ::) ::)...but only as a last resort pet.. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) of course dear ... in your world I am sure its ok. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Sir Bobby on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
a damp stick? that sounds rude. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm:
I was referring to the 'legal' world, cods. Deal with it. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm
Funny stuff
We would like to acknowledge the very understandable concern expressed from sections of our Muslim community regarding a recent posting we made of an event on the tafsir of a verse of Surat al-Nisa (subsequently dug up and given the usual tabloid treatment by media). Indeed, we express our gratitude for the sincere advice we have received and continue to receive from members of the community. Sincere criticism from the community one serves is a blessing. We firmly believe that we, as a community, must not shy away from the clarification of Islamic injunctions, however controversial, let alone succumb to reinterpretations of Islam forced by liberal hounding. In fact, the greater the pressure, the greater our adherence to Islam must be. Nevertheless, there is a need to be sensitive to the environment in which we operate and the context in which we are speaking. When mud-slinging at Islam is the order of the day in an increasingly hostile West, more thought needs to be given to the question of purpose, worth and risk of sharing content online. We acknowledge our mistake in this respect in this instance. We would especially like to acknowledge in this regard sisters in our community involved in the Domestic Violence space and their advice on how things can be misconstrued on this topic and we thank them for their tremendous ongoing work. Domestic Violence is an abomination that Islam rejects in the strongest terms. The condition of the community and the potential to invite harm upon it is, and must be, a great concern. May Allah (swt) bless and strengthen us all, give the tawfiq to learn and grow and make our efforts a source of goodness and baraka in increasingly difficult times. As for media coverage and political commentary on the matter, well what can one say? Apparently the likes of The Australian, shock-jocks like Ben Fordham and Andrew Bolt, and government ministers care about women and the violence against them! These are the same folk whose careers have been built on the consistent shameless demonisation of Muslim women (and Islam generally) and who carry water from the political establishment and its foreign policies that kill thousands of women every year in Asia and Africa and destroy the lives of many more. These are the same folk who are a hundred times louder on “terrorism” and “extremism”, simply because it sells, than on the domestic violence, which is a far greater menace in this country. Domestic violence kills around 70 women every year in Australia and destroys the lives of thousands. Yet, it is giving nothing more than nominal lip-service by policy makers and mainstream media alike. For them, this is just another opportunity, just another day of the week, in which to attack Islam and Muslims as they do every other day. As such, they can continue talking to themselves as far as we are concerned, pretending to occupy the moral high ground while throwing stones from glass houses. We firmly refuse them their demand of interrogating Islam for they are in no position to lecture anyone on women or violence. Media Office of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia, Women's Section |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
no pet... I know what you meant |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:59pm Quote:
I doubt that, but you could have a go at telling us what I meant. I bet you don't. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 13th, 2017 at 8:43pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
I've already condemned this in another thread but i am happy to repeat it here. These sentiments are reprehensible. Inexcusable. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Like if she continues to be willfully disobedient? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 13th, 2017 at 9:16pm Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm:
In other words, they must work harder to misrepresent and conceal the barbaric aspects of Islam, at the same time as working harder to impose them and never, ever questioning their own beliefs. They must put people like Mothra to work representing Muslims to the wider community so they can pretend Muslims don't really believe this crap. This is what Abu was getting at when he said Muslims need to be more strategic in promoting Islam |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
No Bobby, you can only give your own miswaking but you have to get one first. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Baronvonrort on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:26am Setanta wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
Where does it say anything about miswaking in this verse? quran.com/4/34 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:37am Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:26am:
No idea, I was referring to the video like I believe Bobby was. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am
.. if they hit you repeatedly........ no individual should suffer and accept threat to life and limb....
Argument ends.... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 14th, 2017 at 2:12am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am:
Perhaps it should be modernised to a Mrswaking or a Mswaking. Religions, you gotta feel sorry for the dumb f@cks that follow them. Many years ago when my wife was a fundy christian before I showed her how things should be, demanded that I exercise "authority" over her as per her beliefs. I refused to play the role. edit: And yes she would have let me beat her or other unholy poo, in the name of god. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by issuevoter on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:14am
It's OK for Muzlim men to hit women, as long as its OK for the women to kick them in the balls.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Agnes on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:27am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am:
And that is the problem ..in this country alone women die at the hands of men at something like two a week ... I see domestic violence as a problem that effect's every country not just a muslim country.. men are still killing women because they think women are their possessions to treat any way they please. I don't see this attitude changing any time soon- it is too ingrained onto the psyche of most males. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 14th, 2017 at 1:57pm
Muzzos are all alike
The men, if you can call them that, are cowards who only attack defenceless women and children. The only way they even dare to attack a real man is when they outnumber him 5 to 1. Cowardice is islam. Muhellmut, was the consumate coward. Meek and mild, probably giving head to his enemies until he felt safe enough to come back and kill them. ALL muzzos are tarred with the same brush. Cowards, liars, insane and barbaric in everything they do. Just like muzzo bwyannnnnnnn |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:42pm
it's never ok to hit a woman ...
but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine :D :D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:50pm John Smith wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan? Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:52pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
i wouldn't get myself in that position in the first place. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:00pm John Smith wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:52pm:
It's a hypothetical - since you would never place yourself in that position, you simply cannot say that it is never all right to hit a woman. As I said before - every human is entitled to a legitimate self-defence, and gender does not preclude the attack from just self-defence or legitimate defence of others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83DVg6A65w |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:00pm
"It's OK to hit women"
Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:02pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
I'd go with that. No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason. Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by UnSubRocky on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:04pm
As a matter of fact, the last time I hit a woman, I was so overcome by a sense of shame that I let her beat the daylights out of me for her revenge. Then she yelled at me for not defending myself. Then she realised how remorseful I was (as well as a bit bruised). So, she gave me a hug and forgave me. I had a black eye for a few days.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 10:14am Aussie wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Oh dear. Victim blaming. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:08am UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:00pm:
it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone... >:( |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:09am cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:08am:
+10. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:41am cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:08am:
+20 Tell that to my ex next time she gets upset over something.... and punches me while I'm driving or something... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:42am Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 10:14am:
Please explain? :-? I was of the belief that my comment there was studiedly neutral and covered all possibilities equally.... if the meth'd up teenage daughter punches out grampa for no reason, that situation is equally covered... how is there any 'victim blaming' involved here? CCTV would simply resolve who IS the victim and who the perpetrator (or perp for the TV generation).. Sometimes, Gordo, you are stuck in the theory books and the rhetoric going the rounds and are missing the forest for the trees that squeak the loudest (and are permitted to do so in the media etc) - it's called simplistic thinking and following what you are being told rather than being discriminating in your thinking and facts. One reason I like to watch Law and Order SVU is the way it explores often multiple facets of victimhood and realities..... I know it can be boring after a few years, but it still has content.... for the observant and thinking person... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:46am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:42am:
People shouldn't hit people. (except for playing spotto on a long drive). If woman is verbally abusive man needs to go for a walk. If woman is physically abusive to a man he needs to defend himself then leave her (if it's a regular thing). |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:53am Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Ah - so he CAN hit a woman in certain circumstances, i.e. self-defence? What would you consider would be the probable outcome of intervention of the forces of law under our current paradigm (review my posts and you will see that is part of the problem and not of the solution today)? A lady I know, separated from her husband, went to HER home (she contributed the majority to is purchase), knocked and said she wanted some things - he had his new girlfriend there one week after separation and slammed the door in her face..... she retaliated by kicking the sh1t out of the girlfriend's car, he came out and grabbed her, bruising her wrist and she retaliated by giving him a black eye. Get back to me for the outcome.... who - in this situation, is the victim and which the perpetrator? Who is guilty and of what? (let's play Hypothetical for a moment and see, eh?) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:40pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Defence needs to be proportional and yes I know the deck is stacked against the man but that's because more often than not, the man is to blame for the physical side, even if they have been psychologically assaulted/provoked. In your case, he should have just videod her kicking the crap out of the car/door and called 911 :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:43pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:41am:
There will be a time when the only recourse is to resort to violence. If my family or myself are in danger, I will not hesitate to strike and strike hard. But hitting a child with vicious intent, or a man hitting a woman simply shows that he is not a man. If a woman attacks a man, block the strike and walk away. There is no need to strike someone smaller and weaker, unless you are a cowardly muzzo, that is. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:48pm Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
That is the ethos I instilled in my children.... both do just that... same as I did in my security guy days.... in other circumstances of confrontation, I would walk away giving the other person one chance.... they follow and continue at their peril... BTW I have been described by a Commando officer as 'gentle' - correct - gentle does not mean weak, it means measured response when necessary. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:50pm Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:43pm:
It should be a universal rule not restricted to age or gender. Defend yourself proportionally. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:57pm Quote:
I dislike violence myself, but I do not fear it. 18 years of martial arts, 12 as an instructor and 8 fighting competitively has given me an insight into human nature. Fear, this is why most fights start. One man pushes another, hevfears that he will seem weak or simply that he has to prove he can fight so as not to be attacked. Like a dog getting his hackes up and growling. I simply say.."you win" and back away. They call me names, but the fight goes out of them. They see I am not frightened, and that I am giving them an out. In nearly every xase they take it. But if they push it, I dont play, I hit hard to take them down. There are no rules on the street and a groin kick is as good as any. If I see a weapon, they will be lucky if they ever walk straight again, I go straight for the CL Fighting is nnot good for either party. But if one has to fight, fight like its your life on the line.......it just may be that it is. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Fireball on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:58pm
Can't agree with hitting Jack........he'd whine like a baby and we'd never hear the last of it........eh pussy?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:01pm Fuzzball wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
you couldn't hit the Great Wall of China if you had a cannon and were standing 2 ft in front of it. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Fireball on Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:03pm John Smith wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:01pm:
Thought I'd get a response..... bitch...... you'd scratch and pull hair...... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:09pm Fuzzball wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
keep telling yourself that. ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:40pm Setanta wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:37am:
The Koran instructs Muslims to beat women. It places no restrictions on this. That is why there is such a broad range of Muslim views on what you can use to beat women with. It is entirely fabricated. Even Muslims dislike Islam. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
The Bible instructs Christians to beat children and kill women. Do you condone this? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm
Not sure how that would be consistent with the whole 'do unto others' thing. But no, I do not condone killing women or beating children. Odd that you would even ask.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:45pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
Thanks bugger that the bible is seldom taken literally while the Koran is said to be a direct mind fart of Allah and every word is sacred. Hope this helps. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:47pm freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
So, you condemn Christianity and the Bible - yes? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:42pm:
really... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:49pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Did you miss this kind of crap? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:50pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Yes, really. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
well show me where... it says kill women and beat children.. one presumes until dead.... dont tell me you have sorted out a couple of verse to fit in with your extreme beliefs that everyone else is wrong.. whilst you are right.. ::) ::) ::) very arrogant of you.. >:( |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:01pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:53pm:
"If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
No. I think the Bible says to do unto others have you would have them do unto you. I think if you were not trying so hard to misrepresent it, you would agree this an entirely good message. I condemn killing women. The Koran instructs Muslims to beat women. It places no restrictions on this. That is why there is such a broad range of Muslim views on what you can use to beat women with. It is entirely fabricated. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:03pm “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:06pm
Now Greg I am going to ask you to stretch your mental faculties a bit. Do you think the bit about do unto others contradicts that bit?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
This was a STORY an example. And the big difference between the insane CULT and Christianity is Christians know that. Otherwise, just like the CULT, we might go around killing people because they dont have a mark on their heads. If you havve problems understanding that. Try putting the bong down for a while. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:10pm Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:08pm:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
so very selective... fd says it all... a DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.. now thats a part of Bible everyone knows... maybe you prefer not to read that bit though.. :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:12pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
The Bible commands Christians to kill women and children. Why do you choose to ignore that, cods? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:15pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
no it doesnt pet.... you have to read the whole chapter....and remember the words go back many years... .. so the word kill would have meant many things... most of us have the brains to sort that out.. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:17pm freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:03pm:
:D :D :D :D :D you accuse others of misrepresentation? :D :D :D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by John Smith on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:18pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
really? what else would 'kill' have meant cods? I can't wait for this one :D :D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:19pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
Yes, it does. I just gave you two examples, yet you continue to ignore the fact. Why is that? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:20pm
We'd need a time machine to witness the bible being taken literally. To see it with the koran, it's just a hop skip and a jump to Indonesia
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:20pm cods wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
So, using your "logic", the Koran is misinterpreted too - yes? Or, are you only here to defend Christian murderers? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:22pm
Greggy defends this.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:23pm freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:06pm:
I knew that would be asking too much. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:23pm John Smith wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:18pm:
Nor me. How long do you think it will take? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm
Lets look at the difference between Christianity and the CULT.
The bible is recognised by Christians as a collection of stories and examples. Not as a rule book by which to rule your life. The Trash book koran is taken as the absolute truth in all things. Even the stupidity of mutt baby watching the sun sink into a muddy hole. The CULT follows each part as if it were a law. Simple examplem the burka, it is not a requirement, but many insane muzzos think it is. So, its quite simple Christians know their bible is a story book. CULTISTS, believe every word is fact and base their lives on these lies. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:30pm Valkie wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
X100 Close thread |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:12pm Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
I know a quite a few christians that take the bible as the word of god. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:24pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:12pm:
You said you cured your wife of that? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:26pm Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:24pm:
I did, I also worked at a Christian school for 18 years. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:38pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:26pm:
Like I always say. Religion is just a collection of ideas. One in particular on balance hs more stupid ideas. Approach it this way. If you scaled Islam down and it was the belief of one single person, would anyone hold back in expressing their utter contempt for it? Why should it get different treatment just because more people have those same silly ideas? (appeal to the masses fallacy) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:47pm Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:38pm:
I certainly hold it in contempt, just not run of the mill average sucked in believers. And yes I think it's the worst of a bad bunch. edit: Of course I blame the Jews, they started it all. ;D |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:54pm Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:47pm:
People think its going to reform and become progressive but all the evidence is the opposite is true. Saudi Arabia is tipping shitloads if money into religious education all around the world including Australia. Keysar Trad who is a member of the federation of mosques gave us all a wife beating lesson a few months ago. He's the mainstream media goto guy and he parroted THIS guy https://youtu.be/C9bRjK464Uw |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:58pm Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:54pm:
Who knows, all the rest have been tamed to a degree even though there are fundies in them all. Personally I think the world should focus on Sunni Wahabists. The worst of the worst of the worst. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:04am Setanta wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Unfortunately KSA oil reserves have a way to go yet and they're on a mission to make all Muslims their flavor of crazy. Did you read the articles about the King of KSA recent visit to Indonesia and how much they're funding religious education there? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:06am
Just google >christians kill children faith beating< and you'll see the things faith brings with it. This is all religions. Yet we should focus on the worst of them first.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:07am Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:04am:
I'm not a fan of Nuclear power but this is the best argument for it. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:12am Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:07am:
That has been my line for ages. When IraqII kicked off I said USA should be spending that money on power stations and electric cars. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:20am Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:12am:
Neither Iraq wars had much to do with oil or energy. Iraq 1 was for the US dollar as reserve currency, Iraq 2 was a waste and showboating by GWB, look at me! He threatened my daddy! The enemy is KSA and it's ilk. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:01am Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:20am:
My point was that even if it was about terror and 9/11, the best thing to do would have been to stop buying Saudi oil. USA should have had an energy jihad. With the money thats been pissed into the Middle East they could have put a solar panel on ever roof in the USA and sold subsidised electric cars. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:23am Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:01am:
So which is wore, Gordy? The KS who make no apologies for who they are or the US, who pretend to care about truth liberty, justice and freedom and actively not only support the KSA but tacitly sanction, enable and openly finance their human rights violations? It seems to me that you are very selective in your condemnations. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:28am mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:23am:
If Iraq had successfully adopted democracy, would that be better than than what KSA has to offer? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:29am Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:28am:
Now that doesn't answer my question, now does it? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:51am mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:29am:
There are many shades of grey in USAs invasion of Iraq. It turned out terribly but it didn't have to. Right after USA rolled through there was a brief moment of optimism, then enters Zarqawi and the Sunnis showed their true colours by falling in behind him and the rot set in. Usually what the USA does is a jumble of right and wrong. I can't see one single redeeming feature in anything to do with KSA. Can you? What do you think of the similarities of what the Saudi marriage councillor and our very own Keysar Trad who is the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils said about wife beating? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:52am Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:51am:
Still not answering my question. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:53am mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:52am:
This thread is about religiously sanctioned wife beating. What do you think of the similarities of what the Saudi marriage councillor and our very own Keysar Trad who is the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils said about wife beating? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:55am
How much influence is KSA having in Australia?
WikiLeaks 'Saudi Cables' reveal secret Saudi government influence in Australia WikiLeaks has revealed secret Saudi Arabian influence in Arabic media and Islamic religious groups in Australia as well as covert monitoring of Saudi students studying at Australian universities. http://www.smh.com.au/national/wikileaks-saudi-cables-reveal-secret-saudi-government-influence-in-australia-20150620-ght4kp.html |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:57am
LOL!
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:57am
Even Muslim kids are learning it Saudi Style.
Is this a worry? alek Fahd Islamic School was opened in October 1989 with one campus in Greenacre. The purchase of the land for the school was secured through a $12 million gift from King Fahd of Saudi Arabia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malek_Fahd_Islamic_School |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:59am mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:57am:
Saudi influence in Australia is funny? Haw haw haw. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:59am
Mothra what do you think of the Koranic command to beat disobedient women?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:00pm Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:59am:
No. Your obvious deflection is. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:01pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:59am:
Are you suggesting that all Muslim men beat "disobedient" women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:03pm
Keysar Trad is the is the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils.
He's considered mainstream. Blink and he sounds like a Saudi Wahabbist. Why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhZUK7Ux-6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bRjK464Uw |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:10pm mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
No Mothra. Are you having trouble understanding the question, or are you merely afraid of your own opinion? What do you think of the Koranic command to beat disobedient women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:18pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
You're not paying attention to what you post .. or to what i reply. Or t the very least you are showing tremendous mental rigidity. If it is a "command", then surely you are saying that all Muslim men beat "disobedient" women. Yes? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:21pm
Mothra, why is the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and a Saudi wife beater in total agreement?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:30pm mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
No Mothra. Are you having trouble understanding the question, or are you merely afraid of your own opinion? What do you think of the Koranic command to beat disobedient women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:30pm Gordon wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Keysar Trad is a "wife beater" is he? I'm sure you have evidence of that. You wouldn't just make something like that up, would you? In any event, he has publicly apologised for those comments (which were revolting) and come out with a qualifying statement that condemns all violence against women. ""I condemn violence against women – it is never ok to hit a woman," he posted. "Acknowledging my clumsy attempt to explain a verse from the holy Qur'an, I want to categorically condemn all forms of violence, especially violence against women. "I condemn and deplore it and stress my continued zeal to support women against violence. I sincerely apologise if my attempt to explain the verse is understood any differently." Perhaps for your own peace of mind, you could focus on that. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:31pm “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35) Oh dear. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:31pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
If your answer is no, your question is wrong. It is simply not a command. Does that clear things up for you? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:32pm “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16)" Goodness me. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:32pm
What is it then Mothra?
And what do you think about it, if you are not afraid to offer an opinion? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:33pm “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” (Hosea 13:16) Oh my. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:34pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Why it's a word in a book, FD. What did you think it was? A "command" or something? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:34pm “Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24) Uh oh! |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:36pm
Where do we get "spare the rod and spoil the child" from, Greg?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:36pm “When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) Ouch! |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:36pm “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16) Eek! |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:39pm mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
Proverbs 13:24, if I'm not mistaken. Hitting children with rods!? Dear oh dear. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:41pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
Well Greg, that would be New Testament, wouldn't it? Well there goes that argument. edit .. nope, strike that it's Old Testament. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:48pm "Biblically speaking all those who are under various authorities can and should be disciplined by those authorities. "The husband wife relationship is no exception to this rule. "So how should a Christian husband go about his duty of disciplining his wife whom God has placed under his authority?" https://biblicalgenderroles.com/2015/10/03/7-ways-to-discipline-your-wife/ Christians! ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 2:58pm mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Not suggesting. It is a fact......even the women tell us that. What do you think this damn thread is about? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:08pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:48pm:
Interesting series of quotes you have there. All from the bible Is this part of your islamophile handbook or somethong you picked up off the webb? But again, I point out to you. IN BIG LEETTERS SO YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANS UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIBLE IS A SERIES OF STORIES AND EXAMPLES WRITTEN MANY YEARS AGO AND KNOWN BY CHRISTIANS AS A STORY AND NOT AS A RULE BOOK. WHEREAS, THE TOILET PAPER KORAN IS TAKEN AS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND MUST BE FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER. Christians do not cut off their wives hands. Give me even 1 example where this has happened? But there is ample and plentiful evidence of muzzos beating their women. This is the difference, Christianity grew up and became civilized. The CULT is anchored in primitive barbarity and has never advanced, and never will. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:40pm mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:30pm:
Trad is a total POS liar (ask Gandalf if you don't believe me) who would say anything for damage control. And I didn't say he IS a wife beater, he agrees with the Saudi beating enthusiast. Oh, and he's a lying POS, did we cover that yet? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:59pm Valkie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
No, it's not. Why lie? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:00pm Valkie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 3:08pm:
Indeed. Do you condone Christian violence against women? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:04pm |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:05pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:00pm:
Do you honestly think that was smart? Seriously? Get off the drugs friend, they are frying your brain. When you can give me just 1 example of a Christian cutting off his wifes hand because of his Christian belief. Then, and only then you wil gain some credability OK Give me 1 example from anywhere in the world Just 1 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:07pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:04pm:
The vast majority of the murderers are non-Muslim, Aussie. Why is it that Mr Hammer, Valkie, Sprint, et al. don't condemn (nor even mention) these killings? I'm curious. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:09pm Valkie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:05pm:
So, that's a 'yes' or a 'no'. You weren't very clear. Do you condone Christian violence against women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:07pm:
And how many hands have been chopped off because of Christian belief? Anything? Or will you again try to change the subject? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:07pm:
No answer from Valkie. He refuses to tell us why he ignores all those murders. What about Sprint and Mr Hammer, though: do they have some balls? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:09pm:
You really are f#@ked in the head arent you? How many times do I have to tell you that I dont believe in violence against women or children? Christian, muslim, jewish, agnostic, buddist etc, etc, etc. But you just dont get it do you? You are so thick that you think this makes some sort of point. Now working from this point. Sometimes, in order to remove cancer, some good cells must die, in order to make the whole body healthy. This does the body little good and it is sick for some time, but eventually it does heal. When the CULT hides behind women and children, like cowards, banking on the fact that they can use this shield to save their lives, it is the ultimate betrayal of the human race. Sometimes some inocents will have to die, for the greater good. But NO i do not condone violence against women or children. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:20pm Quote:
Who here does? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:22pm Valkie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:18pm:
Just to be clear: you're perfectly ok with innocent women and children dying in order to address your irrational fear & hatred of all Muslim men - yes? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:23pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Herbert once said that he would like to see a woman repeatedly raped. Actually, I think he said it more than once. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:24pm
Hey Greggy, what are your thoughts on Keysar Trad who is the president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and a former spokesman for the Grand Mufti, having disturbingly similar views on wife beating as this fella?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bRjK464Uw |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:23pm:
Come to think of it, he repeated it several times. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:35pm
Nobody wants to talk about Keysar Trads views on wife beating.
OK, to get the conversation moving I'll totally discount what the HuT women said in the OP on the basis they're considered a fringe group, but Keysar Trad? He's a big swinging burka of Sydney Muslims. Former spokesman of the Grand Mufit Founder of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, that's like being the boss of all Muslims!!!!!! This guy is a respected mainstream Muslim and holds the same views as wife beating as the vile wahabists. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:39pm "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9) Christians ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:43pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Nah...he does not count and can be ignored like the rest of the OT, we are told. But, there are NT verses which establish the subservience and subjugation of women to men in the Christian World. Effendi is have a terrible time trying to pretend they don't exist, in another Sub Forum. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:47pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:43pm:
Personally, I don't let violent Christians, who treat women as second-class citizens, tell me anything. "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:52pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Abu was a big fan of wife beating, as a way of humiliating women into submission. Even Gandalf supports Muhammad beating his favourite child bride. So basically, every Muslim here supports wife beating in one form or another. Are there any nonMuslims? mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
Do you allow yourself to have an opinion on it, or are you only allowed to criticise religions other than Islam? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:55pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Herbert said, on many occasions, that he wanted to see a Muslim woman repeatedly raped. You remember that, don't you? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:56pm freediver wrote on Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:23pm:
Greg are you still running away from this one? Why do you keep posting old testament verses if you run away every time people ask you to put them into context? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:58pm "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24) Oh dear. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:58pm:
Not a 'glory' in sight there Effendi, and nothing at all about women having control of their head. So, what you gonna do, Effendi, with that one? :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:10pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
It does not instruct men to beat their wives Aussie. The Koran does. How about you Aussie, do you allow yourself an opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:19pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:20pm
Still no takers on Trad?
People are willing to discuss the texts of an ancient book yet not what a bloke who is still alive said a month ago. Oh dear. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:23pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 5:10pm:
You are quite right Effendi, it does not instruct men to beat women. It does instruct women to be subservient to men, and subjugate themselves to men. I guess, in the absence of clarification in the NT, we will have to look at the OT to find how a breach of that instruction might be enforced by men. :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:32pm
You could always start with "do unto others" Aussie. Perhaps that is too complicated for you, and you need to be told how to do it to them.
Do you allow yourself an opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
But you willingly allow you masters in the CULT dictate to you? Strange fellow. In countries where the CULT rules women are not second class, the actually have no place other than as a possession. Is this what you crave for pecca? In countries where the Cult rules, women are raped and then stoned, beaten and killed for being raped. Is this what you want pecca? In countries where the CULT rules CHILDREN are raped and then beaten to death. IS THIS TRUELY WHAT YOU WANT PECCA? For the, oh, I dont know how many times. I do not condone harm to either women or children in any form. But your glorious CULT, the one you so fervently protect, does this wholesale on a daily basis. Try to understand, its really quite simple, just like you. The CULT is a brutal, pedophile infested, barbaric, primitive, christophobic, pathetic CULT, that has no worth what so ever. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:38pm
Now, back to the point pecca.
Show me 1, just 1 instance or report of a Christian cutting the hands or hand off his wife. Then look in any form of media and see how many muslim women are stoned, beaten to death, murdered or raped by the CULT followers. See, The difference is that Christians read the Bible as a series of stories. Whereas the CULT sees the perverted scribblings of an insane, self confessed pedophile, sociopath, retard as the absolute truth and that has to be followed to the letter. Even the bit about him talking to the devil??????????? Or watching the sun sink into a muddy hole in the ground????????? The fool was insane and a liar, just like his followers AND YOU |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:43pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
Never read one word of the Koran, Effendi. I was born in Country Queensland where no-one ever heard of the Koran, and I am even less interested in it now. I do enjoy shooting you down when you ignore the contents of the Bible especially those bits which seem to reflect what is supposed to be in the Koran. :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:43pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
hw would understand the command if it used the word DECK fd.. he positively has no trouble with that word. ::) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:44pm
oooooo arsie shooting fd down...
hilarious! |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:55pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
So the bits in the Bible that don't say to beat your wife 'reflect' the bits in the Koran that do say to beat your wife? Why do you always have so much to say on things you know nothing about? Here is verse 4:34 of the Koran, so you don't have to plead ignorance any more: Quote:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:14pm Valkie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
It appears that you have mistaken me for someone else, my boy (or you're pissed on warm VB again). To clarify: I don't support any religion. You, however, support a religion that condones the killing of women and children. Why? Why do you "think" Christianity is so good? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:19pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 6:55pm:
Did you mean 'hit' them once in bed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBIRj3JW3h0 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:09pm
Greg what do you think of the Koran's instruction to beat disobedient women?
Aussie, still running away? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:16pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
No, I responded to your Quote Bomb. You did not respond to my responses, Effendi. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:18pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:09pm:
It's disgusting, and inexcusable. What do you think of the Bible's instruction to kill women and children? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:49pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:18pm:
It's a godsend. I'm going to take my disobedient son to the city gates in the morning... If I can find them. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Frank on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:59pm Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:49pm:
What's his name, then? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:07pm Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:59pm:
He doesn't need a name, just stone him when we get there and I lay his crime of disobedience before you. Deuteronomy 21:18–21 |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:26pm No reply from FD. No surprises there. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Frank on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:28pm Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Not an aboriginal then, our Jayden, is he? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:45pm Frank wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:28pm:
Close with the name but no cigar. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:46pm Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
So, that's a yes then? greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 8:18pm:
I blame the Jews. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:47pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Apologist. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:51pm
So why do Mothra, Aussie, Brian and the rest do this elaborate tapdance, but Greg has no problem calling it for what it is?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:53pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Two of my Great-great-grandparents were Jews.. obviously they knew how to exercise pussy like everyone else.... I know nothing of Judaism - but what is the 'problem' with Jews? None that I can see..... never met a Jew I didn't like.... to me, no different from anyone else... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:56pm
It was a Biblical reference.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Setanta on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:01pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:53pm:
I met a Jew I didn't like. A user and reluctance to pay. Middle son developed an app for I-Phone for him for autistic kids, he finally got some money out of him then pulled the plug. Hated all Germans, called them names every chance he got. He was a c\/nt. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:07pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:51pm:
No tap dance by me Effendi. Why would you say such an absurd thing when you are very identifiable as the only Poster here who never, ever answers a question put directly to them? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:14pm Setanta wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:01pm:
Hope he wasn't one of mine... my lot always work hard for their money etc.... and have no idea of ripping off anyone... Hard to hate Germans when your antecedents were German Jews.... I see a middle road here.... As before, no person of my Jewish family name survived in Hamburg.... but I'm still proud of German heritage.. I view the NSDP as a serious aberration and not the norm .... and German girls are great....... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:15pm freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:56pm:
Argh aye... so we know it in the Biblical sense..... (aaaargh).... |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 9:15am Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:07pm:
So what do you think of the Koranic command to beat disobedient women? Do you need me to quote it for you again because you have suppressed the memory? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:03am freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 9:51pm:
I have twice on this thread alone unreservedly condemned any suggestion of violence towards women. Not answering your question was not a "tap-dance", FD. It was a particularly stupid question. As was pointed out to you. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:15am mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:03am:
I recall seeing you squirm rather than give an opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women. Of course you oppose violence towards women. Except when it comes from the Koran of course. Then the tapdancing begins. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:16am mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:03am:
you do think changing the word MUTILATION to CUTTING is a step in the right direction though.. at the end of the day.... its still violence against women in this case defencless young girls. no matter what you call it. >:( |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:16am freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:15am:
I didn't squirm at all. I said it wasn't a command. I see you still son't understand that. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:22am mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:16am:
You are still squirming, and you have still not offered an opinion on it, regardless of the label we give it. The tapdancing continues. Who knows what elaborate footwork we will see from Mothra in the next post? My bet is an unreserved condemnation of violence towards women, but more excuses for why he cannot possibly criticise the Koran for commanding Muslims to beat women. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:30am freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:22am:
I'm not squirming in the slightest. You are asking a stupid question. I am not going to answer a stupid question. I have, despite what you say, openly criticised any suggestion of violence towards women twice on this thread alone. Wherever or whoever it comes from. Just because i'm not jumping through the dodgy hoop you're holding tremourously for me doesn't mean i'm "tap-dancing". You see FD, i hold people to account for what they say. Precisely what they say. We are dealing with the written word here. I say what i mean and i men what i say. I hold everyone on here to the same principle. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:10am mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:30am:
So you refuse to give your opinion on the Koranic command to beat disobedient women, at the same as insisting you will openly criticise any suggestion of violence towards women, regardless of where it comes from? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:16am freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:10am:
Focus FD. Do try. I'm firmly of the opinion that you're not very bright but even you should be able to follow this. If it were a "command", then all Muslim men would beat "disobedient" women, yes? I reiterate. It's a stupid question. I have unreservedly given my opinion on any suggestion of beating women. You're just having a little tanty because i don't agree with the terminology you are not so subtly trying to bully me into agreeing with. Even by your standards, this is pathetic. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 12:37pm mothra wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:16am:
Use any label you want. We did earlier in the thread. It made no difference. Either way, you are afraid to offer your opinion on it. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:07pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
Sure, post this command you allude to. The actual words, please. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm
I just love the way apologist, sycophant, sympathiser, trators to the human race always use tge term.
" not all muslims" As if that counts. The fact that any, most, or even a percentage does these evil things in the name of their CULT, condems the CULT as brutal, barbaric and sick. Always thevwords, " not all muslims" is no defence, it is an excuse. Here is a simple quiz for you. If you went into any country, in the world, and asked anybody on the street what they thought of when you say terrorism. What do you think they would answer? And if you asked any person on the street anywhere in the world what the thought about FGM and who practiced it. What do you think they would say. And if you were to ask any person on the street anywhere in the world what or who the associated beheading with. What do you think they would say? And finally, and this is the biggie. If you asked anybody in any city where muzzos live, anywhere in the world, what they thought of the muzzos. What do you think they would say. In every case they would identify with, condem, and be universally repulsed by the barbarity of the CULT. And they would like them to be anywhere else other than near them. This CULT does not and never will be compatible with civilized society, culture or honesty. It is antithetical to freedom, equal rights or tolerance. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 3:58pm Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
Do you mind if, instead, I quote the last time you slithered away from this one? Aussie wrote on Apr 16th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 4:11pm
Oh, good, I see I have already replied.
Thanks. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm
Do you have an opinion on the verse Aussie?
This is your cue to run away, or pretend you don't speak English. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:29pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
he complains about you not answering a question..lol |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:31pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:26pm:
Yeas I do have an opinion, and I have expressed it. You even quoted it. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Neferti on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:34pm Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:31pm:
Where? Link? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:34pm Valkie wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
What.......no replies, Im amazed. I would have thought all of the apologiser, sycophant, sympathiser, trators wouldvhave been all over this with every excuse under the sun. Just goes to show...........the CULT avoids the truth. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:34pm Aussie wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:31pm:
Is this your opinion on the Koranic command to beat women Aussie? Quote:
Looks like you have combined both strategies. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:36pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
We ll know why muzzos wear burkas. To hide the foreplay scarrs. Muslem foreplay......beat the child/woman into submission or unconciousness. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:52pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
You omitted my clevah 'rhythm stick' comment/U-tube link. Why did you do that, Effendi? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 17th, 2017 at 10:23pm freediver wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
I am most certainly not afraid to offer my opinion on the suggestion of violence towards women. I have done so repeatedly in this thread. How many times do i need to say it? I categorically condemn the suggestion of violence towards women should it come from the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the Vedas or any other religious text. I condemn it it if it is written in any book. I condemn it if it is written in aany law. I condemn violence towards women utterly and completely. What's more i condemn violence towards men and children also. You know FD, a less combative man (or cleverer?) would simply have rephrased the question they were repeatedly corrected on to get the answer they required. But that's not you, now is it. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:24pm Quote:
Are you having difficulty understanding the question Mothra? I am asking you your opinion on a specific verse from the Koran. So far, despite your insistence that you do not hesitate to condemn the mere suggestion of wife beating, your only response has been to speak up in defense of that verse. Why is that? Are you an Islamophobe? Do you think that defending the Koran from suggestions that it is instructive for Muslims is more important than criticising instructions to beat disobedient women? Quote:
I have tried that several times. All I got was more tapdancing from you. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:27pm
Mothra? Would it be fair to say you think it is more important to defend the Koran than the victims of domestic violence?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:28pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
"I categorically condemn the suggestion of violence towards women should it come from the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the Vedas or any other religious text." - Mothra |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:31pm
Cane mala, non biscoctus!
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:54pm
You still haven't commented on the verse from the Koran Mothra. Why is that?
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:59pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Serious question. Do you find you have trouble understanding what is going on around you generally? Or are you just mindlessly combative? It shouldn't need to be explained to you FD, but if i condemn "any suggestion of violence towards women in the Quran", naturally i condemn that verse. Now are you going to drop your ludicrous bone? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:00pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
Well, that's pretty clear. No ambiguity there whatsoever. Only an imbecile would push it any further. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Gordon on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:02pm
Why was she wearing a mask, holding a glass bottle and rushing at the guy who hit her?
I reckon she'll do alright out of this, she'll sell heaps more of her pornos. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:04pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
I gave Mothra an example from the Koran. He defended the Koran. He categorically refused to comment on the command to beat disobedient women. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:06pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
"I categorically condemn the suggestion of violence towards women should it come from the Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the Vedas or any other religious text." Not even a hint of ambiguity. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Aussie on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:07pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Which part of this was too difficult for you, Effendi? Quote:
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:00pm:
Have you seen that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns keeps telling that baseball player to shave his sideburns, and he does ... but Mr. Burns keeps telling him to shave his sideburns, so he ends up with progressively shorter haircuts, Mr. Burns telling him to shave his sideburns all the while .. until he ends up completely bald? Still, Mr. Burns nags him to shave his sideburns. Well, i feel just like that guy. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:08pm
And he bizarrely keeps calling me a 'he'.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by cods on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:10pm
But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand
I think this is a wonderful interpretation fd... forsake them in bed.... :) :) |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:10pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Have you gone to the Gordy school of just making stuff up FD? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:14pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
That is exactly what happened Mothra. You got on your high horse about domestic violence, but when presented with a verse from the Koran commanding Muslims to beat disobedient women, you defended it against the accusation that it is an order, while refusing to offer an opinion on the wife beating bit. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by greggerypeccary on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:14pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
Yes, I've noticed that she started doing that. She seems to think that you and I are one and the same, despite being able to see our IP addresses. Some people are also suggesting I'm Brian. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:16pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
No FD. I said it wasn't a "command", or all Muslim men would beat disobedient women. I see you still haven't worked that out. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:17pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
What fun! Next we'll be called tractors to Australia or something. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Frank on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:21pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 5:28pm:
It's only the Koran. Your Muslim husband could smack you for talking insolently like that, Islam being the most feminist of religions. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:23pm
Oh good! Frank's here. It wasn't all quite ridiculous enough.
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:26pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
That doesn't even make sense Mothra. The command doesn't say to ring all your mates and get them to help you beat a disobedient wife. And it is defending the Koran. It is certainly not "categorically condemning" it. When faced with the opportunity to defend the Koran using typically Muslim appeals to illogic, or condemning the Koran for commanding Muslims to beat disobedient women, your instinct lead you to automatically defend the Koran, and use ever more tenuous justifications to do so. Would you like to offer your version of what the verse does say? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by mothra on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:27pm freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
You're aware of how preposterous you're being, yes? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Ye Grappler on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:31pm
This is a bootless argument - nobody condones the arbitrary beating of women, and any who do so under the umbrella of some religious belief should be punished as hard as anyone else....
Now then - on the overall and real issues surrounding 'domestic violence' as currently postulated - you all know my views already. |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by freediver on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:48pm mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
And the tapdancing begins once more. Would you like to offer your version of what the verse does say? |
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Title: Re: It's OK to hit women Post by Valkie on Apr 19th, 2017 at 7:00pm
Its a particular type of idiocy that some women have Mr Diver
It seems that some women seem to think that they can march right up to any man, give him a slap or a kick and then walk away with impunity. What would happen to a bloke who walked up to another bloke and did the exact same thing? Ill tell you, the gentleman who was struck would simply deck the idiooot. No man in his right mind will go up to a bigger bloke and take a swing, its just plain insanity. And in any mans eyes the big bloke would be in the right. But a woman thinks that they are different, and in many cases that is right,. Most men will not hit the woman, but it only takes one to do it and all hell breaks loose. Some married women also think that she has the right to beat up on her husband. Seen it done, the poor bloke just takes it, because he knows if he so much as raises his voice he will be up for assault This is just not fair. Nagging is also a form of abuse, women can be seriously nasty when nagging, and yet they expect total and unrelenting respect. When someone is smaller and weaker, dont start an argument you will not win. But this is something some women dont get? |
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