http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048

". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.”

But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . .

. . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country.

. . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one"

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048 ". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.” But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . . . . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country. . . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one"

So in your dim-witted singe-eye view of the world, the unsourced and unproven 'fact' that republicans are rare in journalism means something? Or the same fact that the Christian world is overwhelmingly republican as is law enforcement. The education sector is overwhelmingly Democrat as is the social services area. So you point is what exactly? That some political groups gravitate to certain careers and sectors as if that is somehow NEWS???

But the overwhelming fail in this assessment is that it does not address 'accuracy' in journalism, only political bias. You can be both politically partisan and still report the truth and facts. And they do.

You just dont like it because they are exposing Trump as a monstrous fraud and grossly incompetent narcissist. Even his latest 'tax reform' is aimed entirely at people like himself and his benefit.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 27th, 2017 at 4:51pm: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048 ". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.” But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . . . . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country. . . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one" So in your dim-witted singe-eye view of the world, the unsourced and unproven 'fact' that republicans are rare in journalism means something? Or the same fact that the Christian world is overwhelmingly republican as is law enforcement. The education sector is overwhelmingly Democrat as is the social services area. So you point is what exactly? That some political groups gravitate to certain careers and sectors as if that is somehow NEWS??? But the overwhelming fail in this assessment is that it does not address 'accuracy' in journalism, only political bias. You can be both politically partisan and still report the truth and facts. And they do. You just dont like it because they are exposing Trump as a monstrous fraud and grossly incompetent narcissist. Even his latest 'tax reform' is aimed entirely at people like himself and his benefit.

The article is commenting on the change by journalists away from the traditional press  to online publishing. The quote from Bannon “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on” is pretty obvious.

Nothing about Trump or tax reform.

Weekends reaction is just way over the top - crazy! He really is unhinged!

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism!

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism!

America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

Richdude wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:22am: Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism! America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all ....

Goebbels reading Politico and believing it's news. Oh, that is funny. 

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:33am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:52am: AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:22am: Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism! America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing. Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all ....

average health is declining even though more $ are being made by the 'health care' industry.

Rip the bandage off.
It ain't working anyway.

With journalists, its not just liberalism in politics. A large proportion of them are gay. The once reputable magazine National Geographic ran a special issue in January devoted entirely to legitimizing neurotic homosexual behavior.

issuevoter wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:23am:

With journalists, its not just liberalism in politics. A large proportion of them are gay. The once reputable magazine National Geographic ran a special issue in January devoted entirely to legitimizing neurotic homosexual behavior.

Link?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 2:33am: Richdude wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:52am: AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:22am: Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism! America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing. Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all .... average health is declining even though more $ are being made by the 'health care' industry. Rip the bandage off. It ain't working anyway.

Glad to know you are a Bernie Sander supporter. He is the only one advocating radical surgery.

Marla wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Goebbels reading Politico and believing it's news. Oh, that is funny.

I appreciate you would prefer I only get my comment from the People's Fraternal Information Distribution Cooperative . . .but I'm dazzled by the bright colours available in other places.

PS couldn't I be Rudolf Hess for a change, I'm bored with Goebbels.

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism!

That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:22am: Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism! That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad.

You may be on to something. It is simply astounding to me when I talk, or try to talk, about healthcare around the world to Americans ...

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 1:32pm: AiA wrote on Apr 28th, 2017 at 12:22am: Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ...  Communism! That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad. You may be on to something. It is simply astounding to me when I talk, or try to talk, about healthcare around the world to Americans ...

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Go to Australia! Nah! To far to drive!

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:09am: [quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial. Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

  If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars

Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars.

I'd call that a good start

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:20am: Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:09am: [quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial. Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.   If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity. However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Richdude, how're you going mate?
I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular.
For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages.

But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems.
Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

red baron wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars. I'd call that a good start

would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting?

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 1:55pm: AiA wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:20am: Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:09am: [quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial. Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.   If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity. However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press. Richdude, how're you going mate? I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular. For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages. But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems. Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

Thanks Bogarde.

Yes the BBC has slipped. It was once the yardstick to measure the Worlds journalism standards against. As was the ABC - many years ago.

It's interesting to see that articles from Australian news services are often mentioned here.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

Rip the bandage off. It ain't working anyway.

That's the dumb thinking that allows those who want to shape the system to their own financial advantage to do so.

You can't rip the bandage of until you've got a better alternative ready to cover the wound.

That doesn't seem possible under "Who knew" Trump or whenever the "small Government" Republicans can force changes or roadblock progress in the right direction.

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 1:55pm: AiA wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:20am: Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:09am: [quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial. Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.   If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity. However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press. Richdude, how're you going mate? I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular. For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages. But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems. Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

While the NBC's and CNN's may currently have a small bias Fox has always been well out on the loony right about as far as you can get they like their equally loony counterparts in the news network are not journalistic presenters of news but more participants driving their own version of what the news should be if it were true.

At least in media areas like NBC etc they are still legitimately presenting truthful news.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 2:11pm: Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars. I'd call that a good start would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting?

On a pure numbers basis, it does stack up.

Debt Level, in $ on 20/01/17: $19,947,304,555,212.40
Debt Level, in $ on 27/04/17: $19,846,491,745,845.90

https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2017&endMonth=04&endDay=29&endYear=2017

But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop.  But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters. 

Of course it doesn't work that way when it's something negative, but consistency when facing scrutiny isn't a strength of Trump supporters who live in their own fake news and alternative fact fuelled bubble.

KangAnon wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop.  But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters.

We have to be careful when talking about deb levels too.  Especially highlighted by out local politics, often the Coalition will talk about reducing debt because their opposition's spending was out of control, but the only way they can reduce debt since they don't touch any of the negative spending that benefits them and their donors interests is to under invest where it matters.

Sure the debt level may look better in the short term, but they've created a deficit elsewhere, like in education, health or infrastrucuture funding.

Of course the following Government need to address this issue, which costs money, which then adds to the debt.  The Coalition then complains about debt levels and the cycle continues.

I'm not familiar enough with the US system, but I mostly see Trump supporters advocating for him to issue deep cuts to anything Obama funded.  Literally anything, doesn't matter what it is.  If Obama didn't cut it, or worse, increased funding, unless it's military, it's gotta go, for the sake of the debt levels.

It's that kind of blinkered thinking that will create further inequity amongst the people, all while it will be framed as Trump "caring about the people and the country".

It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.  But more on topic, it shows that while there is no doubt a liberal bubble and there is.  Without it there wouldn't have been such voter apathy or "she'll be right" attitude and Trump wouldn't have won.

But don't anyone for a second think that there isn't an equally if not stronger conservative bubble, especially around the celebrity persona of "Billionaire Trump".

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:51am:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 3:08pm: Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 1:55pm: AiA wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:20am: Richdude wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:09am: [quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197] Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial. Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.   If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity. However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press. Richdude, how're you going mate? I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular. For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages. But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems. Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs. While the NBC's and CNN's may currently have a small bias Fox has always been well out on the loony right about as far as you can get they like their equally loony counterparts in the news network are not journalistic presenters of news but more participants driving their own version of what the news should be if it were true. At least in media areas like NBC etc they are still legitimately presenting truthful news.

Groan!

"Everybody's gotta learn sometime"

KangAnon wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 4:38pm: red baron wrote on Apr 29th, 2017 at 2:11pm: Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars. I'd call that a good start would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting? On a pure numbers basis, it does stack up. Debt Level, in $ on 20/01/17: $19,947,304,555,212.40 Debt Level, in $ on 27/04/17: $19,846,491,745,845.90 https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2017&endMonth=04&endDay=29&endYear=2017 But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop.  But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters.  Of course it doesn't work that way when it's something negative, but consistency when facing scrutiny isn't a strength of Trump supporters who live in their own fake news and alternative fact fuelled bubble.

even debt levels that are rising over time have ebbs and flows, But since Trump hasnt passed a single spending bill or reduction in spending initiatives, he cannot take any responsibility for this, even if it is just a temporary 'ebb.