Demokrasi

We now have a fundamentalist Islamic country just to our north.
How will this effect Australia?

Jakarta's Christian governor Ahok found guilty in Islam blasphemy trial[/url]

An Indonesian court has sentenced the minority Christian governor of Jakarta to two years in prison for blaspheming the Koran at a trial that undermined the country's reputation for practicing a moderate form of Islam.

In a tense trial that was widely seen as a test of religious tolerance in the world's largest Muslim-majority nation, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, also known as Ahok, was "found to have legitimately and convincingly conducted a criminal act of blasphemy, and because of that we have imposed two years of imprisonment", head judge Dwiarso Budi Santiarto told the court.

The sentence went against the recommendation of prosecutors, who asked that he be given a suspended jail term.

Ahok was charged with blasphemy after he said clerics had used a Koranic verse to mislead voters by telling them that Muslims were not allowed to vote for a Christian.

He has denied wrongdoing, and said he was not criticising the Koran, but rather the clerics' interpretation of the verse.

Judges said he did it deliberately and did not show remorse. His lawyers will appeal.

Thousands of police have been deployed across the capital in case clashes break out between Ahok's supporters and hard-line Islamists who demanded he be sacked and jailed over the allegations.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-09/jakartas-outgoing-governor-ahok-found-guilty-in-blasphemy-trial/8509936

its a wonderful way of dealing with what they call a good kind FAITH  Islam..

tell me this?

why would you have the need to protect

a good kind FAITH? :( :(

this is so sad so wrong


where Human Rights i wonder

You would want to be real careful of what you say in that country, in other Muslim countries he would have been beheaded so he has gotten off light.
They will probably put him in a cell with that gay who was caught in the act. God is great.

you need to be real careful what you say in ozpol too. ::) ::) ::)







just sayin!

Racists!

cods wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 4:23pm:

its a wonderful way of dealing with what they call a good kind FAITH  Islam.. tell me this? why would you have the need to protect a good kind FAITH? :( :( this is so sad so wrong where Human Rights i wonder

Look out Stephen Fry!  Surely he'll be okay won't he cods?

Link.

The same thing will eventually happen in France.

Aussie wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

cods wrote on May 9th, 2017 at 4:23pm: its a wonderful way of dealing with what they call a good kind FAITH  Islam.. tell me this? why would you have the need to protect a good kind FAITH? :( :( this is so sad so wrong where Human Rights i wonder Look out Stephen Fry!  Surely he'll be okay won't he cods? Link.

If you think anything will come of that, you truly are thick as 2 planks.

I fail to see what was wrong with what he said.

But, it was obviously a ploy to get him out and a CULT friendly nutcase into power.

Indos are twisted at best, retarded and easily led by insane clerics.

This CULT takes offence at everything and anything.

But everything it does and is involved in is offensive.

CULL THE CULT, CULL THE CULT.

Ahok imprisoned in Indonesia  ????

Q.
Why was Ahok imprisoned ?

A.
For 'offending' the       'sensibilities'       of moslems.


n.b.
In Indonesia, Ahok 'shockingly' 'dared' to publicly assert,       that he too [as a person who was not a moslem], should be able to publicly express his views [n.b. when Ahok was being publicly criticised by moslems] !



Well, in deciding to imprison Ahok, yesterday an Indonesian court confirmed, that what Ahok tried to do [as a person who was not a moslem] [i.e. publicly express his views [n.b. when Ahok was being publicly criticised by moslems],         is a criminal offence in Indonesian law.

Wake up people!

That is simply 'par for the course' within every moslem majority jurisdiction.





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By Robert Spencer on May 08, 2017 01:07 pm Pakistan: Christian pastor gets life imprisonment for “blasphemous” text message The use of Pakistan’s blasphemy law to persecute Christians and other non-Muslims is ongoing, and should be an international scandal. But no one is particularly concerned. After all, they don’t want to appear “Islamophobic.” “51 year old Pastor given life imprisonment for alleged blasphemous text message,” by Wilson Chowdhry, British Pakistani Christian Association, May 8,.....

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n.b.
HERE IN THE WEST [in our land, and in our secular jurisdiction]......

We often see moslems wanting to exercise       their civic right        to PUBLICLY express their private opinions.

IMAGE.....
http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/freedom-of-expression-go-to-hell.jpg

"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"

Gordon wrote on May 9^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

Demokrasi We now have a fundamentalist Islamic country just to our north. How will this effect Australia? Jakarta's Christian governor Ahok found guilty in Islam blasphemy trial[/url] An Indonesian court has sentenced the minority Christian governor of Jakarta to two years in prison for blaspheming the Koran at a trial that undermined the country's reputation for practicing a moderate form of Islam. In a tense trial that was widely seen as a test of religious tolerance in the world's largest Muslim-majority nation, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, also known as Ahok, was "found to have legitimately and convincingly conducted a criminal act of blasphemy, and because of that we have imposed two years of imprisonment", head judge Dwiarso Budi Santiarto told the court. The sentence went against the recommendation of prosecutors, who asked that he be given a suspended jail term. Ahok was charged with blasphemy after he said clerics had used a Koranic verse to mislead voters by telling them that Muslims were not allowed to vote for a Christian. He has denied wrongdoing, and said he was not criticising the Koran, but rather the clerics' interpretation of the verse. Judges said he did it deliberately and did not show remorse. His lawyers will appeal. Thousands of police have been deployed across the capital in case clashes break out between Ahok's supporters and hard-line Islamists who demanded he be sacked and jailed over the allegations. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-09/jakartas-outgoing-governor-ahok-found-guilty-in-blasphemy-trial/8509936

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...........a trial that undermined the country's reputation for practicing a moderate form of Islam...........

that IS a moderate form of islam

The jailing of Ahok is obviously politically motivated.  In this case, the religion had been used as a tool to certain mean. 

In the April election, some 43% of the voters supported Ahok, 40% for the other candidate.  He only lost at the run off election. 

This shows that like us, the Indonesians are quiet fractured in their belief.  But it is not to say that all of the 40% that voted for the other candidate are extremists.   Support for Ahok and protests are only starting, I think there are more to come. 

Indonesia could quite easily fracture along sectarian lines, what a lot of people dont realise there are substantial non Muslim minorities in Indonesia, the official line is that 85 percent of the population identify as Muslim but the real figure in reality could be around 60 percent or so, many people in Indonesia nominate as Muslim simply to get a better job or services, many areas are almost entirely Christian and Bali of course is predominately Hindu.

A monkey hole to the north.

At least we know they have not the intellegence to bother us much.

After all, monkeys hate water.

rhino wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 2:35pm:

Indonesia could quite easily fracture along sectarian lines, what a lot of people dont realise there are substantial non Muslim minorities in Indonesia, the official line is that 85 percent of the population identify as Muslim but the real figure in reality could be around 60 percent or so, many people in Indonesia nominate as Muslim simply to get a better job or services, many areas are almost entirely Christian and Bali of course is predominately Hindu.

It's the same in Malaysia. Plenty of government jobs are only for Muslims. This is how Islam spreads. They follow this up with the death penalty for apostasy. Pretty soon everyone is religiously bowing and scraping 6 times a day.

Ask Gandalf and Brian. They think Malaysia and Indonesia are great examples of Islam in action.

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

It's the same in Malaysia. Plenty of government jobs are only for Muslims. This is how Islam spreads. They follow this up with the death penalty for apostasy. Pretty soon everyone is religiously bowing and scraping 6 times a day. Ask Gandalf and Brian. They think Malaysia and Indonesia are great examples of Islam in action.

A statement which defines and clearly explains             why moslems who live among us, will and must, always feel hostility       and resentment       towards us [non-moslems], and towards the secular institutions of our secular society.

And, the cardinal and immutable reason why moslems who live among us can never,      ever,      be the real and sincere friends, which [to our eyes, and to our faces] our moslem 'friends' pretend to be.

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By Robert Spencer on May 09, 2017 05:25 pm Indonesia: Jakarta’s Christian governor guilty in “blasphemy” trial, gets two years prison Ahok committed the cardinal sin of being a Christian in a position of authority. Islamic law forbids non-Muslims to hold authority over Muslims. That Ahok was governor of Jakarta made something like this show trial inevitable. That Islamic supremacists got him on blasphemy, and had to get him in the first place for the crime.....

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It is the innate belief and conviction [in the psyche] of the moslem [every moslem],       that it is, as a moslem, his 'proper due',         that he, as a moslem, should have [political] authority over those who are not moslems.

It is Allah's will, that this should be so.

His imam every day, reinforces that conviction in the psyche of the moslem,     at the mosque.



Q.
And what does ISLAM teach is the 'remedy', for the cause, of this lack of the moslem's 'pre-eminence' within a [secular] society  ?
[i.e. in every society where moslem communities 'co-exist' with 'disbelievers']

A.
Jihad.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10335/jihad-against-west




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Un-ISLAMIC 'values' are incompatible with ISLAM.

Political pluralism, promotes a myriad of ideas and values which are un-ISLAMIC.

ISLAM is incompatible with the lifestyles and ideas and values promoted within nations which encourage pluralism.




Quote:

"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" "It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world or to co-exist in the same land together with a jahili system........"

- SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

OR, Google;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB


Jahiliyya = = any un-ISLAMIC lifestyle, or un-ISLAMIC influence.

e.g. such as pluralism.

The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM.




Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;" "...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya" "...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

After all, monkeys hate water.


I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country.

It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia.

We should not underestimate our neighbours.

I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed

The more they lurch towards Islam, the weaker they will become. If they try really hard they will turn Indonesia into a desert in which to herd their goats and camels.

herd their goats and camels.


Think of the sex tourism from the middle east tho

miketrees wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 11:24am:

After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed

Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge.

Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated.
Their people are patriotic, and brave.

Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts.
Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated.

There is no comparison.
I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on.

Valkie wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 4:59pm:

miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on.

As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 5:00pm:

Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 4:59pm: miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on. As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done.

It's been 'done' for many, many centuries, then.

Aussie wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 5:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm: Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 4:59pm: miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on. As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done. It's been 'done' for many, many centuries, then.

yep. it's a craphole.

Mr Hammer wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 5:30pm:

Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm: Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 4:59pm: miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on. As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done. It's been 'done' for many, many centuries, then. yep. it's a craphole.

Homo, you haven't even been to Bali, dear. Stop telling porkies.

Karnal wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:30pm: Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm: Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 4:59pm: miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on. As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done. It's been 'done' for many, many centuries, then. yep. it's a craphole. Homo, you haven't even been to Bali, dear. Stop telling porkies.

What are your thought on the massive Saudi investment in Indonesias religious institutions?

Well - moderate Muslims can see things from two sides - their way or their way.... so they're not unbalanced....

Karnal wrote on May 13^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:30pm: Aussie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm: Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 4:59pm: miketrees wrote on May 13th, 2017 at 11:24am: After all, monkeys hate water. I seem to remember an Australian politician saying that it was a "Triumph of monkeys over apes" when Japan was invading China or some other Asian country. It wasn't long until they had bombed mainland Australia. We should not underestimate our neighbours. I tried to find a link to that saying,,, failed Big, BIG, HUGE difference between Japan, China and Indonesia. Huge. Japan and China are civilized, organized, forward thinking and dedicated. Their people are patriotic, and brave. Now Indonesia is disorganized, uncivilized, backward and reliant on handouts. Its people are cowards, lazy and under-educated. There is no comparison. I fear not the tiny monkeys from the north, bring them on. As soon as Islam got it's filthy claws in Indonesia was done. It's been 'done' for many, many centuries, then. yep. it's a craphole. Homo, you haven't even been to Bali, dear. Stop telling porkies.

The best part of Bali is when the jet you're on going to Europe or cooler climes, even China, flies overhead, and the captain announces he is emptying the toilet tanks..... ah - that special ambience of the Bali rain.... makes the natives feel right at home....

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

rhino wrote on May 10th, 2017 at 2:35pm: Indonesia could quite easily fracture along sectarian lines, what a lot of people dont realise there are substantial non Muslim minorities in Indonesia, the official line is that 85 percent of the population identify as Muslim but the real figure in reality could be around 60 percent or so, many people in Indonesia nominate as Muslim simply to get a better job or services, many areas are almost entirely Christian and Bali of course is predominately Hindu. It's the same in Malaysia. Plenty of government jobs are only for Muslims. This is how Islam spreads. They follow this up with the death penalty for apostasy. Pretty soon everyone is religiously bowing and scraping 6 times a day. Ask Gandalf and Brian. They think Malaysia and Indonesia are great examples of Islam in action.

They have a shampoo ad in Malaysia with the lady in a hijab.  It's on Youtube. Malaysia shampoo advertisement - with a hijab on.  Iklan Sunsilk

Jailing a non-Muslim for saying that Muslims should not take the hatred in the Koran seriously is bizarre. Muslims seem to want to insist on the hatreds expressed in the Koran.

Can we hate them for insisting on Koranic hatreds? Or is it OK only for them to jail a Christian who tries, hatefully, to conciliate Muslims and others?

Why can Muslims persecute non-Muslims but non-Muslims cannot persecute Muslims for the same thing? Where are the Australian Muslims condemning the Indonesians for this travesty??   

Why are Muslims getting away with what would not be tolerated from any other group? Is it the constant threat of indiscriminate violence?