This is probably just the start and still being hidden is what the government will pay PNG to immunize itself from PNG law suits.

There is also the demobilization costs and any payouts to detention contractors who may also sue.

Australian taxpayers, give till it hurts:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/13/asia/australia-manus-island/index.html


Quote:

The Australian government has agreed to pay detainees on Manus Island more than $70 million (US$52.75 million) in the "largest settlement in a human rights class-action" in the country's history. More than 1,900 detainees had alleged they suffered serious physical and psychological injuries during their time in the Australian government's offshore asylum seeker detention center on the Papua New Guinea island, between 2012 and 2016. Australian law firm Slater and Gordon, who represented the plaintiffs, confirmed Wednesday a deal had been struck with the government, although it had yet to be approved by the court. Majid Kamasaee, a 35-year-old Iranian detainee, who was held on the center for 11 months after fleeing Iran, was the lead plaintiff in the case. "I came to Australia seeking peace but I was sent to Manus which was hell," Kamasaee said in a statement after the announcement. "I was in pain every minute of every day and I cried every night until I had nothing left." Australia has long been criticized for its offshore detention centers, including the one on Manus, where it has held thousands of asylum seekers and refugees since 2012 who have attempted to reach its shores. Claims of psychological trauma, physical illness, self harm attempts and even violent attacks have been regularly reported at the camps since they were opened. At least three people have died. In a statement released Wednesday, the Australia Immigration Minister's office said they "strongly refuted" the detainee's claims and the settlement was not an admission of liability. The Australian government announced in August 2016 it would close the Manus Island center, although there has been no update on when exactly it might happen. As of April, 821 men were still detained by Australia on Manus Island. Almost a quarter of all those held by Australia have been in detention for more than two years.

thank you Kevin bloody Rudd.. >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

thank you Kevin bloody Rudd.. >:( >:( >:(

Cods, and it's mate Beaugarde73 was one of the outspoken supporters of this policy.

cods wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

thank you Kevin bloody Rudd.. >:( >:( >:(

at what point exactly do the libs become responsible for that they do?

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 2:45pm: thank you Kevin bloody Rudd.. >:( >:( >:( at what point exactly do the libs become responsible for that they do?

The Liberals snatched people from the high seas in international waters and transported them to hell holes in third countries. That is kidnapping and illegal detention.

Malcolm [he's the PM!] gives boat people a brand new 'Pull Factor'


AUD $70 million / 1,900 =       +AUD $36,000


e.g.
"All you have to do is buy your ticket, and get on our boat, people.
And sail for Australia.
And if the Australian government prevent you from arriving in Australia, and detain you offshore, then use the Australian legal system to sue the Australian government for the psychological harm that the Australian government has caused you. And receive an excellent return on your money risked, to embark on our world class immigrant boat!"



Quote:

Manus Island: Why asylum seekers sued the Commonwealth By Emma Younger Updated June 14, 2017 The Commonwealth has agreed to pay $70 million in compensation to more than 1,900 asylum seekers who spent time on Manus Island between 2012 and 2016.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-14/manus-island-why-are-asylum-seekers-suing-the-commonwealth/8610482

nuke em

$70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim.

That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer.

Great way to incentivize a tsunami of human sewerage.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm:

$70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer.

That's just the start. It doesn't compensate for kidnapping on the high seas, years of detention, and mental cruelty.

The Australian taxpayer has deep pockets. More should be paid.

I wonder what the total cost is of this policy and the Manus fiasco.

Gordon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Great way to incentivize a tsunami of human sewerage.

Are Gordon's relatives on their way?

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Great way to incentivize a tsunami of human sewerage. Are Gordon's relatives on their way?

No, my relatives are white.

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. That's just the start. It doesn't compensate for kidnapping on the high seas, years of detention, and mental cruelty. The Australian taxpayer has deep pockets. More should be paid. I wonder what the total cost is of this policy and the Manus fiasco.

It's all Kevin Rudd's fault.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

It's all Kevin Rudd's fault.

no, it's all the fault of the idiots that locked them up indefinitely

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:52pm:

$70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer.

Should come out of the politicians future fund.

Valkie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund.

They'll take it from your dole money Valkie, and give you a wedgie as a receipt.
;D ;D ;D ;D

Valkie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund.

Kevin Rudd should make an apology.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund. Kevin Rudd should make an apology.

Make Kevin pay it back, he can borrow it from his Mrs.

Rudd’s wife, Therese Rein is worth as much as $200 million despite missing this year’s BRW Rich 200 (the cut off this year was $235 million). Rein is the managing director and owner of Ingeus, a welfare-to-work company with operations around the world

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When 'William' becomes KING.

His first major duty will be to 'remove' the Union Jack from the Australian Flag.
"With this auspicious moment of mine, that I hereby remove the Union Jack from that bloody convict rag and set forth the future of Australia like a kick out the door. God speed and good riddance!"

Australia will be forced to become a Republic and the World will flood into the country in their MILLIONS !!

Gordon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Make Kevin pay it back, he can borrow it from his Mrs.

make Abbott pay it back. ... afterall, it was his idea to abandon any sense of decency in how they were treated.



what I'd like to know is just how badly were they treated? The govt. has settled every single case so far rather than risk one going to court. After assuring us for years that they weren't breaking any domestic laws or breaching any international obligations.  :D :D :D

Labors virtue signalling and virtual invite lost control of the borders. Read Triumph and Demise, Julia knew it even if numpties here deny it. 

But Rudd fixed it, with a tow back policy where safe to do so, Keatings mandatory detention legislation and Rudds country shoppers washing up in boats never ever to be settled in Australia legislation sorted it out.

Takes draconian measures but labor was up for it. 

The bill is labors but it was a small price to pay to stop the graph of country shopper arrivals reaching vertical.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

Labors virtue signalling and virtual invite lost control of the borders. Read Triumph and Demise, Julia knew it even if numpties here deny it.  But Rudd fixed it, with a tow back policy where safe to do so, Keatings mandatory detention legislation and Rudds country shoppers washing up in boats never ever to be settled in Australia legislation sorted it out. Takes draconian measures but labor was up for it.  The bill is labors but it was a small price to pay to stop the graph of country shopper arrivals reaching vertical.

the compensation wasn't for putting them on manus (something you can blame/praise labor for) the compensation was for how they were treated after they were taken to manus  ... something that remains solely the responsibility of the libtards

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:40pm: Labors virtue signalling and virtual invite lost control of the borders. Read Triumph and Demise, Julia knew it even if numpties here deny it.  But Rudd fixed it, with a tow back policy where safe to do so, Keatings mandatory detention legislation and Rudds country shoppers washing up in boats never ever to be settled in Australia legislation sorted it out. Takes draconian measures but labor was up for it.  The bill is labors but it was a small price to pay to stop the graph of country shopper arrivals reaching vertical. the compensation wasn't for putting them on manus (something you can blame/praise labor for) the compensation was for how they were treated after they were taken to manus  ... something that remains solely the responsibility of the libtards

When were the contracts signed and the oversight initiated?  I don't know but I am sure you do.   ::). They didn't start entering the gulags as I have seen it described here under Libs. 

I don't think Labor would have done any better and it is dodgy speculation to think that they would have. 

You need to stop looking at things in the terms of footy teams and that your footy team does no wrong.  Plenty of blame to go around. Both parties are lock step but the legislation is Labors.  All of the punitive legislation is because idiots like you who barrack for teams allowed Labor to enact legislation that if attempted by Libs would have clowns like you howling. 

You and your fellow travellers did all this, you allowed and aided and abetted the virtue signalling that encouraged the country shoppers, you allowed the legislation that locked them up and you allowed the legislation that meant they could never ever settle here.

Thanks to your efforts, the borders are again secure.  :)

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

the oversight initiated?

oversight initiated?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

when was the last time you heard labor cite 'operational secrecy' as an excuse? The libs changed all the rules before they could even change their undies.
The compensation wasn't for what happened in their first week on manus, it was for what happened over the next 4 years.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

You and your fellow travellers did all this, you allowed and aided and abetted the virtue signalling that encouraged the country shoppers, you allowed the legislation that locked them up and you allowed the legislation that meant they could never ever settle here.

rubbish. I always said they should fly them over to the mainland. That way there was no risk of drownings.
I never supported labors asylum seeker policy, I only ever supported it over the libs since it was the best option available off the two . You have to play with the cards you're dealt, not the cards you wish you had.

Gordon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund. Kevin Rudd should make an apology. Make Kevin pay it back, he can borrow it from his Mrs. Rudd’s wife, Therese Rein is worth as much as $200 million despite missing this year’s BRW Rich 200 (the cut off this year was $235 million). Rein is the managing director and owner of Ingeus, a welfare-to-work company with operations around the world

Who gave the Govt. legal advice that what they were doing was legal?

Maybe that law firm should be sued?

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:15pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:09pm: the oversight initiated?  oversight initiated?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D when was the last time you heard labor cite 'operational secrecy' as an excuse? The libs changed all the rules before they could even change their undies. The compensation wasn't for what happened in their first week on manus, it was for what happened over the next 4 years.

Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed.  It wasn't a difficult paragraph to understand. 

I don't think Labor would have done better, you opinion is that they would have.  Considering the dogs breakfast they made of the whole border situation I suspect I am closer to the truth than you are.

Having said that, they lost control of the borders but then regained control. They had to, it is an election losing issue having country shoppers washing up every day as happened under Labors watch. 

But now we are in the sunny uplands and you can bet that Labor at least won't be dismantling their legislations and if ever worse measures are needed, they will be up for again because idiots like you will let them.

Presumably Labor will be in the next election, there maybe some chancers who will try it on with a few boats.  What do you reckon Labors response will be? 

Met with fairy floss and welcomes or shipped off to detention? 

It seems that the whole world is stuffed.

Parasite, lying, country shoppers get a payout
And
Hard working Australians get to pay

The trick appears to be.
Worthless
Screaming stupid
Parasites
Black
Allergic to work
Oh yeah

And a muzzo scum
Looks like bwyann is in for a windfall.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund. Kevin Rudd should make an apology. Make Kevin pay it back, he can borrow it from his Mrs. Rudd’s wife, Therese Rein is worth as much as $200 million despite missing this year’s BRW Rich 200 (the cut off this year was $235 million). Rein is the managing director and owner of Ingeus, a welfare-to-work company with operations around the world Who gave the Govt. legal advice that what they were doing was legal? Maybe that law firm should be sued?

How many times did this Black Duck say that the whole of Operation Sovereign Borders was illegal?

Aussie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:19pm: Gordon wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:14pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:13pm: Valkie wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund. Kevin Rudd should make an apology. Make Kevin pay it back, he can borrow it from his Mrs. Rudd’s wife, Therese Rein is worth as much as $200 million despite missing this year’s BRW Rich 200 (the cut off this year was $235 million). Rein is the managing director and owner of Ingeus, a welfare-to-work company with operations around the world Who gave the Govt. legal advice that what they were doing was legal? Maybe that law firm should be sued? How many times did this Black Duck say that the whole of Operation Sovereign Borders was illegal?

Was it taken to the high court?

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:09pm: You and your fellow travellers did all this, you allowed and aided and abetted the virtue signalling that encouraged the country shoppers, you allowed the legislation that locked them up and you allowed the legislation that meant they could never ever settle here. rubbish. I always said they should fly them over to the mainland. That way there was no risk of drownings. I never supported labors asylum seeker policy, I only ever supported it over the libs since it was the best option available off the two . You have to play with the cards you're dealt, not the cards you wish you had.

Of course you didn't, none of you did.  ::)

None the less, under Whitlam, Keating and Rudd your team, because of idiots like you (that is Labor supporters because you seem to think I am talking about you personally as being responsible for Labor policy  ::)) who have legislated every bugger over of country shoppers. 

You and your team, you barracked for them, this was the playbook they created,  non point crying about it now, own it numptie.

In fact be proud, it is various Labor legislations that are keeping the borders secure and scaring off country shoppers.   

Unless you want to point at some Liberal legislation that you think is relevent, if so, post it.  :)

No, Bobby......because 'operational matters' made sure the evidence was suppressed.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Bobby. wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 6:52pm: $70M/1900 =  $36,842 for each victim. That's a nice payout from the generous taxpayer. Should come out of the politicians future fund. Kevin Rudd should make an apology.

He is no doubt sorry that the dopes who want to blame him are so dumb.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed.

https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

Of course you didn't, none of you did

wrong.  i  did.

Ask Mr Hicks if you like, he seemed to think I should have voted greens just for that one policy :D :D :D :D. He carried on about it like a pork chop for years.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:15pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:09pm: the oversight initiated?  oversight initiated?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D when was the last time you heard labor cite 'operational secrecy' as an excuse? The libs changed all the rules before they could even change their undies. The compensation wasn't for what happened in their first week on manus, it was for what happened over the next 4 years. Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed.  It wasn't a difficult paragraph to understand.  I don't think Labor would have done better, you opinion is that they would have.  Considering the dogs breakfast they made of the whole border situation I suspect I am closer to the truth than you are. Having said that, they lost control of the borders but then regained control. They had to, it is an election losing issue having country shoppers washing up every day as happened under Labors watch.  But now we are in the sunny uplands and you can bet that Labor at least won't be dismantling their legislations and if ever worse measures are needed, they will be up for again because idiots like you will let them. Presumably Labor will be in the next election, there maybe some chancers who will try it on with a few boats.  What do you reckon Labors response will be?  Met with fairy floss and welcomes or shipped off to detention?

I don't think Labor would have done better


Labor held out for almost 6 years before caving to the liberals and re opening Nauru.

The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor.

Aussie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

No, Bobby......because 'operational matters' made sure the evidence was suppressed.

I thought it was in the High court?

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg

It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate. 

Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem. 

Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government?

Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :)

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Of course you didn't, none of you did wrong.  i  did. Ask Mr Hicks if you like, he seemed to think I should have voted greens just for that one policy :D :D :D :D. He carried on about it like a pork chop for years.

Labor supporters in general allowed your party to do these things.  Once more, for you, I am not talking about you personally. 

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:30pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:27pm: Of course you didn't, none of you did wrong.  i  did. Ask Mr Hicks if you like, he seemed to think I should have voted greens just for that one policy :D :D :D :D. He carried on about it like a pork chop for years.

I also supported your position on multiple occasions and routinely called both Liberal and Labor police a disgrace in this area.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:34pm:

The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor.

Bwahahahahaha the problem existed because of Labor.  They lost control of the borders. As things go its not complicated. 

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :)

Quote:

No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers

Mostly country shoppers target small islands and move in after paying the price agreed to.

Larry Ellison and Richard Branson both purchased islands, they are both country shoppers but they were not the first.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:35pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :)

you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right?

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:34pm: The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor. Bwahahahahaha the problem existed because of Labor.  They lost control of the borders. As things go its not complicated.

What a load of rubbish. A few refugees as we see multiplied a hundred fold across the world does not indicate such a situation. It was just a political vote catcher in the form of a scare campaign.

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :) you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right?

Why not they normally do ?

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :) you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right?

My statement


Quote:

When were the contracts signed and the oversight initiated?  I don't know but I am sure you do

Maybe you are right, maybe Labor didn't do any contracts, therefore no oversight, no performance criteria. 

Maybe the whole lot was just done on a handshake and a wink.

I assumed there would be contracts but maybe that assumption was a mistake.  ;)

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :) you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right? My statement Quote: When were the contracts signed and the oversight initiated?  I don't know but I am sure you do Maybe you are right, maybe Labor didn't do any contracts, therefore no oversight, no performance criteria.  Maybe the whole lot was just done on a handshake and a wink. I assumed there would be contracts but maybe that assumption was a mistake.  ;)

Keep digging that hole.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:34pm: The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor. Bwahahahahaha the problem existed because of Labor.  They lost control of the borders. As things go its not complicated.  What a load of rubbish. A few refugees as we see multiplied a hundred fold across the world does not indicate such a situation. It was just a political vote catcher in the form of a scare campaign.

You are right, it was a scare campaign and Labor left themselves vulnerable to it. it was political suicide for Labor to not regain control of the borders after losing it. 

And it was more than a few, it was a lot and the trend was going up and with increasing velocity. That's just history. The situation could not go on, the Australian people would not tolerate it. 

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:58pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :) you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right? My statement Quote: When were the contracts signed and the oversight initiated?  I don't know but I am sure you do Maybe you are right, maybe Labor didn't do any contracts, therefore no oversight, no performance criteria.  Maybe the whole lot was just done on a handshake and a wink. I assumed there would be contracts but maybe that assumption was a mistake.  ;) Keep digging that hole.

No hole.  Governments want stuff done and spend public money that's what they do, sign contracts.  If they want poo done in other countries they sign bits of paper dealing with obligations and payments.  I am sorry you and John are so divorced from reality that you do not believe this.

It is my assumption that if the contracts were a bit better we would not be in this mess.  But yeah, that's an assumption, I haven't seen the contracts bu there were contracts and Labor signed them.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:34pm: The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor. Bwahahahahaha the problem existed because of Labor.  They lost control of the borders. As things go its not complicated.  What a load of rubbish. A few refugees as we see multiplied a hundred fold across the world does not indicate such a situation. It was just a political vote catcher in the form of a scare campaign. You are right, it was a scare campaign and Labor left themselves vulnerable to it. it was political suicide for Labor to not regain control of the borders after losing it.  And it was more than a few, it was a lot and the trend was going up and with increasing velocity. That's just history. The situation could not go on, the Australian people would not tolerate it.

And you were so frightened. "stop the boats"

Please tell me nobody really swallowed that load of BS.

Boat arrivals has been a vote catcher since the children overboard lie. It is a fictitious issue built by stacking lies on top of lies for electoral gain. There is no problem there never was.

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:59pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:58pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:22pm: Oversight in the  contracts that Labor would have signed. https://ci.memecdn.com/8302507.jpg It is amusing that you think safeguards, oversight and performance standards in contracts are desperate.  Then again, that may have been the issue. Rushed contracts without oversight to fix a political problem.  Apart from the meme, (desperate much yourself  ;D) you got anything substantive to offer?  No opinion on what happens to the first country shoppers that try it on under the next Labor government? Or is that too close to criticising your footy team?   :) you realise that you can't just make crap up about imaginary contracts and expect to get away with it, right? My statement Quote: When were the contracts signed and the oversight initiated?  I don't know but I am sure you do Maybe you are right, maybe Labor didn't do any contracts, therefore no oversight, no performance criteria.  Maybe the whole lot was just done on a handshake and a wink. I assumed there would be contracts but maybe that assumption was a mistake.  ;) Keep digging that hole. No hole.  Governments want stuff done and spend public money that's what they do, sign contracts.  If they want poo done in other countries they sign bits of paper dealing with obligations and payments.  I am sorry you and John are so divorced from reality that you do not believe this. It is my assumption that if the contracts were a bit better we would not be in this mess.  But yeah, that's an assumption, I haven't seen the contracts bu there were contracts and Labor signed them.

The contention isn't if there is a contract just that you know what is in it.

I have made it clear several times I have not seen any contracts.  But I ain't the idiot denying that labor signed contracts.

My contention is that a contract with some oversight and performance provisions might have prevented a lot of the crap. 

But it was labor that signed the contracts and I seem to recall a press conference with Rudd and the PNG Prime Minister doing exactly that.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 9:01pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:47pm: Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:41pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:34pm: The problem would have not existed had it been left to Labor. Bwahahahahaha the problem existed because of Labor.  They lost control of the borders. As things go its not complicated.  What a load of rubbish. A few refugees as we see multiplied a hundred fold across the world does not indicate such a situation. It was just a political vote catcher in the form of a scare campaign. You are right, it was a scare campaign and Labor left themselves vulnerable to it. it was political suicide for Labor to not regain control of the borders after losing it.  And it was more than a few, it was a lot and the trend was going up and with increasing velocity. That's just history. The situation could not go on, the Australian people would not tolerate it.  And you were so frightened. "stop the boats" Please tell me nobody really swallowed that load of BS. Boat arrivals has been a vote catcher since the children overboard lie. It is a fictitious issue built by stacking lies on top of lies for electoral gain. There is no problem there never was.

I accept that there was no problem for the likes of you and John Smith,  but there was an electoral problem and Labor knew it.  That's why they fixed it.

And happily borders will remain secure...until Labor gets in again.  Do you reckon if a few country shoppers wash up when Labor gets in again they are going to try and go soft again, or once bitten and all that?

It's not my issue if you cannot accept political reality.

You have to  be dead set kidding  me?

The "private " company  "contracted" too the job should  wear all the costs / blame.

Ffs. ..fight it in the courts you gutless liberals. ...and if you  don't  win than just change  the laws and don't  pay!


If it was one your Chinese  backers at risk you would  risk it for them.

This country  is a sad shell of what it was and 2% of what  it could  have been  because  these criminal  we elect  as leaders

John Smith wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 8:18pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14th, 2017 at 8:09pm: You and your fellow travellers did all this, you allowed and aided and abetted the virtue signalling that encouraged the country shoppers, you allowed the legislation that locked them up and you allowed the legislation that meant they could never ever settle here. rubbish. I always said they should fly them over to the mainland. That way there was no risk of drownings. I never supported labors asylum seeker policy, I only ever supported it over the libs since it was the best option available off the two . You have to play with the cards you're dealt, not the cards you wish you had.

here here :)

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 14^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

I have made it clear several times I have not seen any contracts.  But I ain't the idiot denying that labor signed contracts. My contention is that a contract with some oversight and performance provisions might have prevented a lot of the crap.  But it was labor that signed the contracts and I seem to recall a press conference with Rudd and the PNG Prime Minister doing exactly that.

Indeed.. you've seen no contracts, yet you say Labor signed them.

Now it's 2017 - at what point does the LNP accept responsibility?   ::)

Does that mean they piss off back home after they get their money?

Its now 90 million  and no doubt  going to keep going  up.

It should be paid out of the pollies who signed the deals pension

i'm a bit surprised they didnt fight it in court.

if they lost, they could go to the australian taxpayer and say, we now have to increase the medicare levy by .5 % to cover the big cash payouts to people that the majority of the population probably dont want to pay big cash pay outs too.

it sets the liberals up on the side of the battling ozzie taxpayer and leaves the alliance of slater and gordon, the judiciary and the left wing intellectuals exposed to a huge political back lash.

i would even think that the voters would support a winding back of power for the judiciary.

it appears that the judiciary have plenty of people out on bail causing mayhem and the government could pin the whole fiasco on the legal system (which is hardly popular) and could, maybe, reign in some of the legal fraternity and give the power back to the people.

thats how i would have played it.

if the liberals are truly the "noble right' then they would have been

more persistent
unapologetic
willing to stand up for their principles.

this is really 'weak sauce' beta male activity from turnbull.

but the guy likes to catch public transport for gods sake.

thats about as beta male as you can get  :D :D

aquascoot wrote on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 8:22am:

i'm a bit surprised they didnt fight it in court. if they lost, they could go to the australian taxpayer and say, we now have to increase the medicare levy by .5 % to cover the big cash payouts to people that the majority of the population probably dont want to pay big cash pay outs too. it sets the liberals up on the side of the battling ozzie taxpayer and leaves the alliance of slater and gordon, the judiciary and the left wing intellectuals exposed to a huge political back lash. i would even think that the voters would support a winding back of power for the judiciary. it appears that the judiciary have plenty of people out on bail causing mayhem and the government could pin the whole fiasco on the legal system (which is hardly popular) and could, maybe, reign in some of the legal fraternity and give the power back to the people. thats how i would have played it. if the liberals are truly the "noble right' then they would have been more persistent unapologetic willing to stand up for their principles. this is really 'weak sauce' beta male activity from turnbull. but the guy likes to catch public transport for gods sake. thats about as beta male as you can get  :D :D

yes, weak decision to give OUR money to illegals.

The government  must fight this in the courts and sue the private  company  that was contracted to the centre for all costs.

Its just not right and must be stopped  at any cost.

It doesn't  not just meet the pub test....it doesn't  meet any Australians test!

Who was responsible  for this ? Rudd/Gillard /rudd .

What is the name of the private  company. ...who sits on the board...sue all of them.

Dutton is as weak as water >:(

Bring back Abbott  :o

Francis wrote on Jun 15^th, 2017 at 10:18pm:

The government  must fight this in the courts and sue the private  company  that was contracted to the centre for all costs. Its just not right and must be stopped  at any cost. It doesn't  not just meet the pub test....it doesn't  meet any Australians test! Who was responsible  for this ? Rudd/Gillard /rudd . What is the name of the private  company. ...who sits on the board...sue all of them. Dutton is as weak as water >:( Bring back Abbott  :o

Who was responsible  for this ? Rudd/Gillard /rudd .


Try: Abbott, Turnbull, Dutton and Morrison.

Remember it was Scotty who made it illegal for anyone to tell us what was going on in detention camps ?

You don't think it was just a coincidence that they really did need to hide what they were doing ?

It not only occurred during their reign but with their knowledge and approval. Why else would they have legislated to cover it up ?

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It doesn't  not just meet the pub test....it doesn't  meet any Australians test!

Of course it does many on here barracked for years to abuse the rights of refugees. Remember stop the boats reopen Nauru etc.