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Title: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:40pm

Copper Internet is pure c*%$iness and Turnbull knows his party is battling old demons revisited.... good ol' abbott ::) ::)

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Post by juliar on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:46pm

It is reassuring to have the Top Lefty, who puts the other Lefties to shame, in charge.

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Post by whiteknight on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 5:44pm

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

It's the same breed of c*&^iness: you can't tell me I'm wrong :D :D

That's why juliar is apoplectic!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm

Ah, yes .. Hamlet's ghost on the battlements..... how anyone ever listened to that little short-arsed pr1ck is beyond me.. I don't recall a single sensible word ever passing his lips... little man with a heap of big problems....

The German army did us a dis-service in the 14-18 when they missed his grandfather... who apparently died of shame after Wee Johnnie was set adrift in a chaff bag but saved by Pharaoh's daughter to become the Messiah for his Lib people.....

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Post by Frank on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Valkie on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 9:17pm

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

This evil little turd is still sucking our country dry

THE MOST EXPENSIVE EX POLIE ON EARTH

The wold will be soo much better when he eventually does everyone a favor and takes his las breath.

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Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:01pm

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

fRANK : IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM.... that's directly next to one you tryhard-intelllectual-of-the-whole-interwebs !!!!!!

Howard was a c** (t and you know it ;)

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Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:05pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 9:17pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

This evil little turd is still sucking our country dry

THE MOST EXPENSIVE EX POLIE ON EARTH

The wold will be soo much better when he eventually does everyone a favor and takes his las breath.

He embarrassed every liberal voter for life with this:

I bequeath thee the greatest embarassement to all blue-blooded Australians i.e. non-australians aka planet accountants from janet 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

ah ahhaa ah a hahaha aha aahha or something like that ::)

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by cods on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:08pm

who could forget the stench of lefties and their open borders..

that cost lives.. or dont you remember that drah?????

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Post by Grendel on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

His record as 2nd longest serving PM seems to prove you and your disdain wrong. As for the personal stuff, well I didn't know him, did you?
I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”
Seems like common-sense to me.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:16pm

PS: everyone hates copper internet in the clever country that built the asian century and like hating howard it doesn't matter who you voted for... it's the same c^%titus syndrome called white women whoring for more more more...

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Post by Grendel on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

fRANK : IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM.... that's directly next to one you tryhard-intelllectual-of-the-whole-interwebs !!!!!!

Howard was a c** (t and you know it ;)

Choo-choo...... choo-chooo.....

Actually its not strictly a 2 party system at all.
For starters we have 2 in Government and 1 in Opposition.
And I'm not even counting the Senate, where neither major party holds the balance of power.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

It's well accepted john howard got lucky with 9-11... even I voted for him twice and I hate the bloke!

It's a well accepted political history and you will never be able to tell anyone different because it changed the world and you are just one person..... ;D

Howard was a c** t and you can't change that well accepted fact either: ;)

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:21pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 4:56pm:

Who could forget John Howard, and the evil of his WorkChoices. :(

;D ;D ;D

That was FIVE governments ago. ( the number of fingers you have on one of your hands, in case five is a difficult concept for you)

fRANK : IT'S A TWO PARTY SYSTEM.... that's directly next to one you tryhard-intelllectual-of-the-whole-interwebs !!!!!!

Howard was a c** (t and you know it ;)

Choo-choo...... choo-chooo.....

Actually its not strictly a 2 party system at all.
For starters we have 2 in Government and 1 in Opposition.

You're one of those incompetent con-artists who would die at any fathers hand if you ever got near their kids with your drug induced conversation :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT :)

hey: why don't you try it with mums.... they know a lot of big dicks buddy so I recommend you try it today 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

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Post by Grendel on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:23pm

Choochooo... Chooo-choo...
oh dear.

I don't vote for individuals who lead their parties... I vote for the policies I think will be best for Australia.

You should try it sometime. ::) ::) ::)

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Post by Grendel on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:31pm

oh dear...

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

His record as 2nd longest serving PM seems to prove you and your disdain wrong

Do not see how the length of his embarrassment is relevant.

Quote:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by cods on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:49pm

TheFunPolice wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:

well piz.*^# off to an ASIAN country then..

see if we care.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:22pm

... the rain of election voting comes down and washes the scum from the floor of Parliament.... but the stench remains.. the stench of corruption and self-interest...

(with apologies to Taxi Driver)...

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Grendel on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

His record as 2nd longest serving PM seems to prove you and your disdain wrong

Do not see how the length of his embarrassment is relevant.
Oh dear more political bias... 2nd longest serving PM.... people voted his party in whilst he was leader for years and years and years... not difficult to understand that point DNA.

Quote:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as party of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

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Post by Dnarever on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:50pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as party of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

Actually it was made as party of an election speech to his party.

Actually by the time he got to that election speech he had probably said it over 100 times, the First few were in radio interviews and such talking about children overboard and the Tampa.

It would help if you knew what you were talking about.

Quote:

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

It also doesn't hurt that I am 100% correct - the statement was made to support a lie, that is a fact.

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Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 5:04pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Shows the utter lack of Genuine Talent in politics... ::)

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Post by Vic on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 5:36pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as party of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

It also doesn't hurt that I am 100% correct - the statement was made to support a lie, that is a fact.

[/quote]

It certainly was. Howard and Peter Reith destroyed the life and career of Captain Norman Banks who was the CO of the FFG that was passing the information back to Canberra as it happened, Captain Banks emphatically told Canberra that parents were holding their children in the air as their boat burnt to show that their were young children and babies on board. According to him, at no stage was the information given to Canberra that children were being treated in that manner

The vacuous and lying Peter Reith and Howard deserve to rot in hell for what they did to a dedicated Naval Officer and his crew.

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Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 5:48pm

Vic wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as party of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

It also doesn't hurt that I am 100% correct - the statement was made to support a lie, that is a fact.

It certainly was. Howard and Peter Reith destroyed the life and career of Captain Norman Banks who was the CO of the FFG that was passing the information back to Canberra as it happened, Captain Banks emphatically told Canberra that parents were holding their children in the air as their boat burnt to show that their were young children and babies on board. According to him, at no stage was the information given to Canberra that children were being treated in that manner

The vacuous and lying Peter Reith and Howard deserve to rot in hell for what they did to a dedicated Naval Officer and his crew.[/quote]

Indeed - I commented online at that time that Banks would not be getting a governor's gig.... bastards.

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Post by Aussie on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 6:02pm

Quote:

Captain Norman Banks who was the CO of the FFG.

Here is his Report to a Senate Committee.

Link.

Quote:

In summary, by 10 October, and certainly by 11 October, it was clear to the Commanding Officer Adelaide, Commander JTF 639 and the Maritime Commander Australia that no children had been thrown overboard and that no children had been recovered from the water. In my mind, this would never have been an issue and had not been raised by me. No signal messages originating from HMAS Adelaide had ever referred to an incident involving children overboard. To my knowledge, the first written indication of children being put over the side was mentioned in a CJTF 639 general guidance message about future boardings of SIEVs late on 7 October. That statement in itself was accurate and I did not query it.

Throughout this operation, to my knowledge, the only contact outside the immediate military chain of command by me was with the Administrator, Christmas Island; the Harbourmaster, Christmas Island; a Channel 10 researcher or reporter, the Australian Federal Police detachment at Christmas Island; the Australian Customs Service detachment at Christmas Island; and a DIMA representative at Christmas Island.

The then Minister for Defence, Mr Reith, and the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, visited HMAS Adelaide on 24 October to farewell the ship's company as Adelaide prepared to deploy to the Gulf. Whilst Operation Relex and the Adelaide's role were discussed in very general terms, the details of the SIEV4 incident were not discussed. During the period November to January, whilst on station in the Arabian Gulf, I contributed information by email, DISCON message and occasionally by telephone to the numerous investigations, inquiries and general questions which had arisen from the SIEV4 incident.

Whilst I communicated with the Maritime Commander, Admiral Smith, routinely as my operational commander and my administrative authority; with Major General Powell and his staff in late November and early December; with Ms Bryant in December and January; with the Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Shackleton, on 8 November so 25 December only; with Air Commodore Ekin-Smyth in February 2002 only; and with the Chief of Defence Force, Admiral Barrie, on 17 January and 24 February 2002 to assist with these investigations, at no stage have I communicated with the office of the Minister for Defence nor have I been contacted by any political party or member of any political party or, indeed, any government official. With the exception of an authorised press conference on Wednesday, 13 March 2002, I have had no dealings with the media, tempting as that might have been on occasions. I have zealously adhered to Operation Relex operational security guidance issued by Commander JTF 639 and acknowledged formally by me on 13 October 2001.

In closing, I remain extremely proud of the contribution of the ship's company HMAS Adelaide to the safe and very effective interception and boarding phase but, most importantly, to the courageous rescue of 223 people from the Indian Ocean on 8 October. Their professionalism, spirit and compassion certainly came to the fore when asked to stand tall and do their duty when SIEV4 sank. That there was no loss of life or injury is testament to their training, their skill and their personal efforts as individuals and as team Adelaide. I am also proud of their sustained ability to concentrate on the task at hand and not be distracted when their name, their involvement and their reputation were, on many occasions, called into question by the media over the months since SIEV4. Throughout the 24-day Operation Relex patrol and the following 125 days on Operation Slipper deployment, they have done the Navy and Australia proud. That concludes my rather longwinded opening statement, but I did that in the context of allowing the facts, as I see them, to be presented for the first time to be aired publicly and, as my note says, I have a copy of the statement to offer to the committee.

Howard is a lying rodent and a far king scumbag.

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Post by stunspore on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

hardcore coalition supporters still believe the overboard incident. hardwired sheep.

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Post by Raven on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 7:46pm

John Howard is certainly one of the worst PMs in Australian history.

Let's look at some of his achievements:

On housing affordability, Howard introduced the capital-gains-tax concession; bolstered the first-home buyers' grant; and boosted immigration – all putting pressure on housing demand. Investor entry into the housing market took off from the moment the capital-gains-tax concession began. We wallow helplessly in the backwash of these idiotic decisions.

Speaking of tax, Howard introduced the over-60 superannuation tax holiday, other super concessions, family payments to middle-income households, age-based tax concessions, and lots of income-tax breaks for middle to higher-income households. These have been difficult if not impossible to wind back and have increased inequality in Australia.

In short, Howard squandered the mining boom on buying votes and allowing miners to be lightly taxed.

In education, he dramatically increased federal funding to private schools ,which they largely spent on non-educational luxuries. He starved public schools. The result is the worsening scores Australia gets on national and international testing. Again, it has been difficult to unwind because of the demand that "no school should be worse off", which Julia Gillard was forced to accede to.

In health, Howard's government corroded Medicare by misdirecting money into tax deductions for inefficient private health insurance. Again, they are hard to unwind. Howard set the stage for the present return to the 1960s in the health system – one in which many people cannot afford to pay for healthcare.

We now bemoan the casualisation of the workforce, underemployment and low wages growth. A lot of that is down to Howard's industrial-relations policies, culminating in WorkChoices.

On other iconic questions, he created historic mischief. He divided and ruled on the 1999 republic referendum instead of being a national leader. He demanded his party members vote for an antiquated definition of marriage; we still have division in our society when our English-speaking and European friends and allies have all grown up.

Howard followed the US out of the Kyoto agreement. He reluctantly agreed that a carbon tax would be worthwhile but did nothing about it. He encouraged the states to privatise electricity and, in 1998, set up the national electricity market based on market principles – meaning electricity network owners, suppliers and retailers could screw consumers and small business.

Then there is the myth that the Howard Government were great economic managers.

In 1996, Howard inherited an economy in promising shape. The tax system had been overhauled, the public service had been trimmed to size and the budget returned to structural surplus after decades of deficits.

Australia’s economy strengthened remarkably through the Hawke-Keating period. The world watched in awe as Paul Keating deregulated the banks, floated the Aussie dollar, reduced tariffs on imports, “snapped the stick” of inflation, moved from centralised wage-fixing to enterprise bargaining and privatised publicly-owned non-monopolies.

From about the 20th-ranked economy in 1982, Australia had risen by 1996 to sixth in the world — behind only the United Arab Emirates, Norway, Singapore, Japan and the United States.

That’s measured by the variables: income, growth, wealth, jobs, inflation, interest rates, taxes, economic freedom and credit ratings.

By 2007, however, at the end of the wasted Howard years, Australia had slipped back in the rankings to 10th place.

This was masked, at the time, by global growth and an extraordinarily acquiescent media. But while Howard and Costello alternately blundered and dozed, Australia (with Japan and the USA) was overtaken by Iceland, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Taiwan, Hong Kong and China.

Most of these had lower interest rates, greater support for enterprises and smarter investment strategies — and hence more people employed and stronger growth.

There was no excuse for this deterioration. The structural reforms of the Hawke and Keating years built the foundation for Australia to beat the world — as eventually happened in 2010, when Australia rocketed to the top of the world’s economies.

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Post by Grendel on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 8:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as part of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

Actually it was made as part of an election speech to his party.

Actually by the time he got to that election speech he had probably said it over 100 times, the First few were in radio interviews and such talking about children overboard and the Tampa. Actually he hadn't but Pauline Hanson had... ;D ;D ;D

It would help if you knew what you were talking about. For that you'd have to have a strong grasp on reality.

[quote]But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

It also doesn't hurt that I am 100% correct - the statement was made to support a lie, that is a fact. No you are not not even 50%

[/quote]

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Aussie on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:03pm

Grendel...was Howard a lying rodent about 'children overboard,' given we know that the bloke, The Boss on site making reports to Canberra, says that there were no 'children overboard?'

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Post by Dnarever on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:11pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 3:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

I have to admit I agreed a few times with what he said... Chief amongst them... “But we will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.”

Funny that people like one of his biggest lies ? This statement was made in response to children overboard the inference being that people who throw their children overboard and not the type people we want to come to Australia.

Actually it was made as part of an election speech to his party.

The problem for John is that when he was making this politically motivated emotional statement he was fully aware that no children were thrown overboard. It was a con job - a lie on the cusp of an election.

To their shame and should be endless embarrassment people like you swallowed this lie hook line and stinker.

But you are biased DNA.... that is why you think like that.

It also doesn't hurt that I am 100% correct - the statement was made to support a lie, that is a fact. No you are not not even 50%

[/quote]

The time came quickly when these guys knew that what they were saying was untrue.

The photos in question had been cropped to allow false claims to be made. This was either done by the Navy ??? (unlikely) or a politicians office ??? almost certain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3WJ10xGkas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HdpfesWv7s

The statement by Howard is obviously connected to the children overboard incident and at the time the PM was aware that children overboard was a lie.

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Post by Aussie on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:27pm

Jayzuz wept. And there are people here who admire these pricks? Really?

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Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 9:11pm:

The time came quickly when these guys knew that what they were saying was untrue.

The photos in question had been cropped to allow false claims to be made. This was either done by the Navy ??? (unlikely) or a politicians office ??? almost certain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3WJ10xGkas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HdpfesWv7s

The statement by Howard is obviously connected to the children overboard incident and at the time the PM was aware that children overboard was a lie.

The Navy etc. would not do that and are trained in simple realities (nod to Vic) ... they do not do propaganda, but make factual reports, and Howard and Co should hang their heads... before we do.

Then we had WMD.. absolute liars the lot of them, and they must think we're stupid.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by juliar on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 11:23pm

The stench of Bull S. and Labor's vast cesspool of corruption is even worse.

Title: Re: The stench of howard remains the issue:
Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 1:21am

juliar wrote on Jun 18^th, 2017 at 11:23pm:

The stench of Bull S. and Labor's vast cesspool of corruption is even worse.

How so?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUoiy22Q_lw

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Post by Grendel on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:29am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJ1mMPpVuQ

LOL.... told you...

and....

https://museumvictoria.com.au/immigrationmuseum/discoverycentre/identity/videos/politics-videos/john-howards-2001-election-campaign-policy-launch-speech/

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Post by Grendel on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:39am

Oh and....

Hanson stated: "I should have the right to have a say who comes into my country."

Later Howard states: "We will decide who comes to this country, and the circumstances in which they come." He cracked down on asylum seekers, generally with Labor's support. Abbott also agreed with Pauline Hanson's view on this in 2013.

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Post by Ye Grappler on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:53am

Grendel wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 10:39am:

None of which rhetoric has changed to one iota the fact that immigration into this country remains primarily from social/ethnic groups with customs and culture often hugely different from ours. Increasing the pool of labour is one thing, but when the jobs are vanishing as fast as the 'industrial relations' values are....there is no merit in building a mass force of unemployed manual workers.

Talk is one thing.. action another.

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Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 11:50am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 5:04pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 17^th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 16^th, 2017 at 6:38pm:

Shows the utter lack of Genuine Talent in politics... ::)

Howard got his last two terms by pure chance of Terrorism shocking the world...

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Post by juliar on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:24pm

Sort of reminds one of Wenny Pong.

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Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 1:14pm

juliar wrote on Jun 19^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Sort of reminds one of Wenny Pong.

juliar knows turnbull has no chance with the stench of howard and his political love child hamstringing the whole affair: juliar knows every single liberal voter hates copper internet and the applecart is irretrievable :D :D :D :D