This victim of a horrific acid attack nailed the problem in how we see terrorism.

Jameel Muhktar thought it was some sort of "practical joke" at first. But soon after the 37-year-old rolled down his car window in East London to greet the man who'd been knocking on the glass, he realized the stranger had far darker motives.

"He just squirted this clear liquid over us," Muhktar told Channel 4 News. Then, Muhktar's skin started to burn.

Muhktar had been doused with acid.

Resham Khan, Muhktar's younger cousin who'd been sitting next to him in the car, was also targeted.

Left with severe burns covering large areas of their bodies, Muhktar and Khan, who are both Muslim, needed emergency skin-grafting procedures to repair their overwhelmingly painful injuries.

"I'm devastated," Khan wrote in a tweet thread that's gone viral. "I keep wondering if my life will ever be the same."

The two had been celebrating Khan's 21st birthday the day they were attacked.

"We're innocent people," Muhktar told Channel 4. "We didn't deserve that. I've never seen this guy in my life."

The guy Muhktar spoke of is 24-year-old John Tomlin — the reported attacker, known to have ties to the far right.

John Tomlin, 24, sought by police following acid attack

Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported.

“A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British."

In his interview with Channel 4 News, Muhktar pointed out a sad reality: Why isn't his country reacting the same way it would if he'd been a white man attacked by a Muslim?

As Muhktar explained:

“It's definitely a hate crime. I believe it's something to do with Islamophobia. Maybe he's got it in for Muslims because of the things that have been going on lately. ... If this was an Asian guy like myself, going up to a couple in a car ... an English couple, and acid attacking them, I know for a fact and the whole country knows it would be straight-away classed as a terrorism attack."


Muhktar's comment points to a disturbing trend in the U.S. and Europe.

The way we view violence is heavily dependent on who's committing the crime. When a white person, motivated by hate, attacks a person (or people) of a different group, do we perceive it as a heinous act?

We tend not to — even though white, right-wing extremists have killed more people in the U.S. in recent years than jihadists have. We see those acts as crimes committed by "lone wolfs," though — people acting independently of any sort of hate-filled ideology. That's simply not the case.

As anti-Muslim attitudes and violence rise in the West, it's important we get our facts straight.

Fortunately, many people in the U.K. and around the world have been alarmed by Tomlin's acts of violence, and they have rallied behind Muhktar and Khan in their time of need.

Two separate GoFundMe pages have been set up — one for Mukhtar and one for Khan — so that supporters can help the two with mounting medical expenses.

"Although we have faith justice will be served once the criminal is caught, the scars Resham and Jameel will carry will last a life time," reads one of the pages.


https://www.upworthy.com/this-victim-of-a-horrific-acid-attack-nailed-the-problem-in-how-we-see-terrorism/?ef

I urge you all to pay attention to this:

Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported.

“A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British."


Were this attack committed by a Muslim with a similar online profile and wanted status, we would without hesitation call it terrorism.

What is this if it is not terrorism?

What is it if it is not extremism?

Seriously, check yourselves before you find you have anything at all in common with this terrorist ... and so very many of you do.

Consider yourselves held up in stark relief.

Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type fuels this kind of extremism.

Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible.

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This victim of a horrific acid attack nailed the problem in how we see terrorism. "He just squirted this clear liquid over us," Muhktar told Channel 4 News. Then, Muhktar's skin started to burn. Muhktar had been doused with acid. ........Why isn't his country reacting the same way it would if he'd been a white man attacked by a Muslim?

I strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem.

It is pure          LAWLESSNESS,         which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!




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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 4:55am:

I urge you all to pay attention to this: Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type         fuels this kind of extremism. Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible.

Really mothra ?

When exactly, did         YOU         renounce ISLAM ?

Moslem hypocrite.




"Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance....fuels this kind of extremism."
- mothra


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111





We have also witnessed        MOSLEMS        in the UK, who have also condemned the killing of innocent people.

But, sadly, that 'rhetoric' was simply more moslem community deceit.



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The cornerstone of        ALL         communication by moslems, with disbelievers, is lying and deceit and sophistry.

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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.


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Inside the sect that loves terror August 07, 2005 ......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


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YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

That is because i am blind, mothra.




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polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

Quote: "Peace summarises everything in Islam..." Thanks Yadda - good quote.  :)

Why has this thread about an attack on Muslim people been turned into an attack on Muslim people?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands.

Funny, after reading the above, your 'message' isn't exactly the epitome of goodwill.......Hypocritical eh....

Fuzzball wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:46am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Funny, after reading the above, your 'message' isn't exactly the epitome of goodwill.......Hypocritical eh....

Nope. Would you like to try again?

Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:55am:

Quote: This victim of a horrific acid attack.... I, Yadda, strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem. It is pure          LAWLESSNESS,         which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!

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mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:19am:

Why has this thread about an attack on Muslim people been turned into an attack on Muslim people?

Err, .......is it coz many ordinary people are coming to see that moslems always [falsely] present themselves as victims [of wrongdoing],           and then will urge those within their community to forcefully and violently 'strike-out',              and take back their righteous moral authority from those FILTHY STINKING DISBELIEVERS ?

Is it ?

/sarc off




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The cornerstone of        ALL         communication by moslems, with disbelievers, is lying and deceit and sophistry.

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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.


Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror August 07, 2005 ......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”

these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;


Quote:

YT KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE "...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems." "....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God." "...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God." "...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM." "...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does." "...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]" "...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:35am:

You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down.

Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all.

Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable?

Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims?

What's the score, Hammer?

Is this terrorism?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands.

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism?

It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied.

I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem.

I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum.

I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged.

Which are you, Hammer?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself?

No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:56am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer?

When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing. What's happening is not my fault or others like me. It's a response to Muslim terrorism. When something negative happens there's always negative response.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:00am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:56am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer? When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing. What's happening is not my fault or others like me. It's a response to Muslim terrorism. When something negative happens there's always negative response.

But the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful.

Do you like the idea that all right wing people are represented by this revolting acid thrower?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:02am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:00am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:56am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer? When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing. What's happening is not my fault or others like me. It's a response to Muslim terrorism. When something negative happens there's always negative response. But the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful. Do you like the idea that all right wing people are represented by this revolting acid thrower?

What's right wing Mothra. I have opinions both left and right. I'm a nature lover who hates land clearing . The British government is the blame for this. They let this problem fester and now people are taking the law into their own hands. What is happening is  not a reflection on me at all.

You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes?

So was this revolting acid thrower.

No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online.

Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists?

If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself? No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain?

Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"?

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:12am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:57am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself? No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain? Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"? Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not.

Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective?

FD? Are you honestly that shameless?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:12am:

You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now.

I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:19am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now. I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies.

Hammer. You are exceedingly racist and classist.

I think, and i say this with tremendous affection, that you would be hugely happier if you got over both.

Work on it.

Read.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:25am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:19am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now. I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies. Hammer. You are exceedingly racist and classist. I think, and i say this with tremendous affections, that you would be hugely happier if you got over both. Work on it. Read.

So this has somehow become about me? Stick to the topic Mothra. Anybody can get personal. I can plenty of bias in your personality.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:27am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:25am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:19am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now. I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies. Hammer. You are exceedingly racist and classist. I think, and i say this with tremendous affections, that you would be hugely happier if you got over both. Work on it. Read. So this has somehow become about me? Stick to the topic Mothra. Anybody can get personal. I can plenty of bias in your personality.

I'm sorry that you feel that. It wasn't my intention.

But perhaps what you are feeling has given you some insight into how Muslims feel when there is an extremist attack that people very much like you expect them to apologise for and take responsibility for?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:33am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:27am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:25am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:19am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now. I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies. Hammer. You are exceedingly racist and classist. I think, and i say this with tremendous affections, that you would be hugely happier if you got over both. Work on it. Read. So this has somehow become about me? Stick to the topic Mothra. Anybody can get personal. I can plenty of bias in your personality. I'm sorry that you feel that. It wasn't my intention. But perhaps what you are feeling has given you some insight into how Muslims feel when there is an extremist attack that people very much like you expect them to apologise for and take responsibility for?

I don't expect all Muslims to take responsibility for terrorism. That's the thing you don't understand about me. I hate the ideology. Not the people. If people have the ideology  I question their motives. Islam is corruptive and faulty. I don't like any religion. I do believe Muslims could be doing more in the family and in the mosque to counter extremism. Maybe many don't want to?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:37am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:33am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:27am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:25am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:19am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: You're right wing on race, religion and immigration though, yes? So was this revolting acid thrower. No doubt he was inspired by comments he read online. Do you think you are any more responsible for the actions of this man than moderate Muslims are for the actions of extremists? If so, perhaps you would like to start apologising now. I'm not so much right wing on race or whatever I just don't believe in the cultural and racial genocide that's delivered with multiculturalism. It's a rich mans tactic to divide the population and keep labour costs down. People have been banging on about Muslims for years Mothra. Since those little kids were killed in Manchester 2 attacks against Muslims in the UK have occurred. That's where the motivation lies. Hammer. You are exceedingly racist and classist. I think, and i say this with tremendous affections, that you would be hugely happier if you got over both. Work on it. Read. So this has somehow become about me? Stick to the topic Mothra. Anybody can get personal. I can plenty of bias in your personality. I'm sorry that you feel that. It wasn't my intention. But perhaps what you are feeling has given you some insight into how Muslims feel when there is an extremist attack that people very much like you expect them to apologise for and take responsibility for? I don't expect all Muslims to take responsibility for terrorism. That's the thing you don't understand about me. I hate the ideology. Not the people. If people have the ideology  I question their motives. Islam is corruptive and faulty. I don't like any religion. I do believe Muslims could be doing more in the family and in the mosque to counter extremism. Maybe many don't want to?

Hammer, can you see how you contradict yourself?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:18am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:57am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself? No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain? Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"? Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not. Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective? FD? Are you honestly that shameless?

Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications?

I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:18am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:57am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself? No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain? Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"? Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not. Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective? FD? Are you honestly that shameless? Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications? I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

Mothra is never critical of posters she likes or share her politics.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:03am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:37am: I don't expect all Muslims to take responsibility for terrorism. That's the thing you don't understand about me. I hate the ideology. Not the people. If people have the ideology  I question their motives. Islam is corruptive and faulty. I don't like any religion. I do believe Muslims could be doing more in the family and in the mosque to counter extremism. Maybe many don't want to? Hammer, can you see how you contradict yourself?

No, I can't see any.

Spell out what contradiction you see.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

Yadda's     'standards' ???

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mothra,

An unequivocal condemnation, by me, of this type of violence, is not good enough for you ?

How surprising.      .....NOT!



Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:55am:

Quote: This victim of a horrific acid attack.... I, Yadda, strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem. It is pure          LAWLESSNESS,         which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!

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mothra,

I encourage all people to educate themselves, about what ISLAM really teaches.

And i encourage all people to educate themselves, about the violent religious bigotry against non-moslems, which the mainstream religious doctrines of ISLAM encourage.

And i encourage everyone who chooses to oppose ISLAM, here in Australia, to act within the law,      in that opposition, to this very dangerous and wicked philosophy, and its followers.


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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IMAGE.....
https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Muslims-Quran.jpeg

"We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah and we are not ashamed of that,..."



Quote:

By Nicolai Sennels on May 31, 2017 09:02 am The real cause of Islamic terrorism: “We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah” Every time a new jihad attack strikes innocents in the West, media and politicians get busy blaming “bad integration,” “poverty,” “marginalization,” “racism,” etc. For some reason, it never occurs to them to ask if Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Islam and the increasing number of followers of this particular religion in our countries......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/the-real-cause-of-islamic-terrorism-we-are-motivated-by-our-religion-by-our-quran-and-sunnah




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Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine declares that unbelief [i.e. atheism], even by 'John Citizen' [i.e. anyone!], is a capital crime.     !!!!!!!


One of the principle tenets of ISLAM, states that,     .....'unbelief is worse than killing'.

i.e.
Unbelief among mankind,        is worse than killing mankind [i.e. unbelievers].

Google;
islam, unbelief is worse than killing




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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:42am: FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care? Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK. I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

You know you're very irrational, yes?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:42am: FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care? Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK. I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away. You know you're very irrational, yes?

Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:56am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:54am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:42am: FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care? Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK. I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away. You know you're very irrational, yes? Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again?

Can't think of the last time i've ever done that. Is this a usual technique of yours?

You seem reluctant to answer the question though. Highly reluctant. Do you think that posting anti-Islam sentiments (as Yadda does, and you too) contribute towards extremism?

Because i have a much more moderate view, of which i am certain contributes to no extremism at all.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:56am:

I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum.

Oh,     you see,        "a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum",        do you!


mothra,

QUESTIONS;

1/ Do you see any extremism in the tenets and in the religious texts of ISLAM ?

AND IF NOT, WHY NOT ?



And do you see any concealed and hidden extremism, at all, within the moslem community, here in Australia ???

AND IF NOT, WHY NOT ?




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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives.


And on, and on, and on.....

Quran (4:104)

Quran (5:33)

Quran (8:12)

Quran (8:15)

Quran (8:39)

Quran (8:57)

Quran (8:67)



and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....

all the way to....

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them......


All cited here.....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx



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AND WITHIN THE AUSTRALIAN MOSLEM COMMUNITY ?


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Q.
What is wrong with ISLAM ???

A.
Nothing at all !     [just ask Malcolm Turnbull]




Watch good 'Aussie' moslems,      practicing ISLAM      behind closed doors.....

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands.

Unreality Girl strikes again !!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:56am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:54am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:42am: FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care? Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK. I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away. You know you're very irrational, yes? Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again? Can't think of the last time i've ever done that. Is this a usual technique of yours? You seem reluctant to answer the question though. Highly reluctant. Do you think that posting anti-Islam sentiments (as Yadda does, and you too) contribute towards extremism? Because i have a much more moderate view, of which i am certain contributes to no extremism at all.

Speaking of reluctance, do Gandalf's views contribute to extremism? Or does the blame only go one way?

What about all the promotion of violence in the Koran? Does it contribute to violence?

So you'd rather focus on what i think about Gandalf than what may contribute to an acid attack on innocent Muslims by a right wing terrorist?

Interesting.

What do you think, FD, about the way Muslims are represented on social media?

Far right?

I'd have thought "Asian" women are the main targets of these sorts of attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

So you'd rather focus on what i think about Gandalf than what may contribute to an acid attack on innocent Muslims by a right wing terrorist? Interesting. What do you think, FD, about the way Muslims are represented on social media?

I'd like to know if the blame goes both ways. If Yadda's ignorance is absolutely complicit in this UK attack, what of Gandalf's promotion of Islamic genocide or the promotion of violence in the Koran?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

Not a myth at all.


Islam Is a Religion of Violence
To understand whether violence is inherent in the doctrine of Islam, it is important to look at the example of the founding father of Islam, Mohammed, and the passages in the Quran and Islamic jurisprudence used to justify the violence we currently see in so many parts of the Muslim world. In Mecca, Mohammed preached to his fellow tribesmen to abandon their gods and accept his. He preached about charity and the conditions of widows and orphans. (This method of proselytizing or persuasion, called dawa in Arabic, remains an important component of Islam to this day.) However, during his time in Mecca, Mohammed and his small band of believers had little success in converting others to this new religion. So, a decade after Mohammed first began preaching, he fled to Medina. Over time he cobbled together a militia and began to wage wars.

Anyone seeking support for armed jihad in the name of Allah will find ample support in the passages in the Quran and Hadith that relate to Mohammed’s Medina period. For example, Q4:95 states, “Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home).” Q8:60 advises Muslims “to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” Finally, Q9:29 instructs Muslims: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Mainstream Islamic jurisprudence continues to maintain that the so-called “sword verses” (9:5 and 9:29) have “abrogated, canceled, and replaced” those verses in the Quran that call for “tolerance, compassion, and peace.”

As for the example of Mohammed, Sahih Muslim, one of the six major authoritative Hadith collections, claims the Prophet Mohammed undertook no fewer than 19 military expeditions, personally fighting in eight of them. In the aftermath of the 627 Battle of the Trench, “Mohammed felt free to deal harshly with the Banu Qurayza, executing their men and selling their women and children into slavery,” according to Yale Professor of Religious Studies Gerhard Bowering in his book Islamic Political Thought. As the Princeton scholar Michael Cook observed in his book Ancient Religions, Modern Politics, “the historical salience of warfare against unbelievers … was thus written into the foundational texts” of Islam.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09/islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-ayaan-hirsi-ali-debate-islamic-state/

Read the whole thing and then tell us about 'myths'.

Are most Muslims violent, Frank?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:42am: FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games. On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack? How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned  that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members? Do you feel a duty of care? Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK. I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away. You know you're very irrational, yes?

LOL


Yadda holds up a large        MIRROR,      just so mothra can get a glimpse of,         .....herself.


:)

LOL Unreality Girl....

You think maybe all those terrorist attacks and dead innocent people all over the world and particularly in britain, might have something to do with this idiots act? :o

Grendel wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:23pm:

LOL Unreality Girl.... You think maybe all those terrorist attacks and dead innocent people all over the world and particularly in britain, might have something to do with this idiots act? :o

Do you think it has something to do with most Muslims?

Do you think the acid attack in the OP has something to do with most right wing people?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:26pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: LOL Unreality Girl.... You think maybe all those terrorist attacks and dead innocent people all over the world and particularly in britain, might have something to do with this idiots act? :o Do you think it has something to do with most Muslims? You are such and idiot.  Go back and actually read the information Frank posted for you. My response is No. Do you think the acid attack in the OP has something to do with most right wing people?

No....  but you are the one making the idiotic claim not me.  To make LW prog idiotic claims about criminal lunatics being political is moronic...  You keep doing it. :D :D :D
Islamic Terrorists make their motivations clear.  They are also criminal lunatics.  They are more organised and widespread than individuals like this twat.  You are trying to compare apples and oranges you are a spineless brainless apologist.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Are most Muslims violent, Frank?

Q.
Are most moslems,        moslems,      mothra ?







Don't be duped, by moslem denials.

THE TRUTH....

Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.



ISLAM, is a philosophy,        which EVERY MOSLEM, has chosen to follow, to be a follower of.

--------- >

ISLAM says;           Fight against those who are disbelievers, kill those disbelievers who reject ISLAM.

The mainstream doctrines of ISLAM teach the moslem,           that when a moslem kills a disbeliever, that he has performed an act of religious virtue.

Q.
Would a person who is an honest person, and a person who is a moral person,      choose, to be a follower of such a murderous philosophy ?




.




Every person who willingly declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his messenger."

......is a terrorist or a latent terrorist.



'Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1496708257/0#0





Every moslem in Australia, is a moslem.


The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.
    - Winston Churchill



.





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

Grendel wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:33pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:26pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: LOL Unreality Girl.... You think maybe all those terrorist attacks and dead innocent people all over the world and particularly in britain, might have something to do with this idiots act? :o Do you think it has something to do with most Muslims? You are such and idiot.  Go back and actually read the information Frank posted for you. My response is No. Do you think the acid attack in the OP has something to do with most right wing people? No....  but you are the one making the idiotic claim not me.  To make LW prog idiotic claims about criminal lunatics being political is moronic...  You keep doing it. :D :D :D Islamic Terrorists make their motivations clear.  They are also criminal lunatics.  They are more organised and widespread than individuals like this twat.  You are trying to compare apples and oranges you are a spineless brainless apologist.

Grendel? Are you seriously this naive?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Are most Muslims violent, Frank?

Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way?

Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:38pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are most Muslims violent, Frank? Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way? Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam?

Why are you trying to turn a thread about the the Islamophobic attack on Muslims into a discussion about the violence towards other people?

Are you personally confronted by violence towards Muslims?

Has this hit a nerve?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are most Muslims violent, Frank? Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way? Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam? Why are you trying to turn a thread about the the Islamophobic attack on Muslims into a discussion about the violence towards other people? Are you personally confronted by violence towards Muslims? Has this hit a nerve?

I am trying to figure out whether the blame goes both ways. Apparently Yadda is, merely by being ignorant, "absolutely complicit" in the UK attack. But on the other hand Muslims who promote violence through the Koran, Hadith, and the example set by Muhammad are shielded from blame for the violence committed in the name of Islam unless they actually commit it.

Is this a fair characterisation of your double standard?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:51pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are most Muslims violent, Frank? Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way? Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam? Why are you trying to turn a thread about the the Islamophobic attack on Muslims into a discussion about the violence towards other people? Are you personally confronted by violence towards Muslims? Has this hit a nerve? I am trying to figure out whether the blame goes both ways. Apparently Yadda is, merely by being ignorant, "absolutely complicit" in the UK attack. But on the other hand Muslims who promote violence through the Koran, Hadith, and the example set by Muhammad are shielded from blame for the violence committed in the name of Islam unless they actually commit it. Is this a fair characterisation of your double standard?

The blame for what, FD?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:51pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are most Muslims violent, Frank? Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way? Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam? Why are you trying to turn a thread about the the Islamophobic attack on Muslims into a discussion about the violence towards other people? Are you personally confronted by violence towards Muslims? Has this hit a nerve? I am trying to figure out whether the blame goes both ways. Apparently Yadda is, merely by being ignorant, "absolutely complicit" in the UK attack. But on the other hand Muslims who promote violence through the Koran, Hadith, and the example set by Muhammad are shielded from blame for the violence committed in the name of Islam unless they actually commit it. Is this a fair characterisation of your double standard? The blame for what, FD?

For violence committed in the name of Islam.

Is there anything else you would like me to repeat?

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:19pm:

do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Are most Muslims violent, Frank?

We do notice when you do your usual switcheroo, you know.

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:53pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:52pm: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:51pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:43pm: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: Are most Muslims violent, Frank? Is Yadda violent? Or does the blame only go one way? Do Muslims have to be personally violent in order to be "absolutely complicit" in the violence that is inspired by Islam and committed in the name of Islam? Why are you trying to turn a thread about the the Islamophobic attack on Muslims into a discussion about the violence towards other people? Are you personally confronted by violence towards Muslims? Has this hit a nerve? I am trying to figure out whether the blame goes both ways. Apparently Yadda is, merely by being ignorant, "absolutely complicit" in the UK attack. But on the other hand Muslims who promote violence through the Koran, Hadith, and the example set by Muhammad are shielded from blame for the violence committed in the name of Islam unless they actually commit it. Is this a fair characterisation of your double standard? The blame for what, FD? For violence committed in the name of Islam. Is there anything else you would like me to repeat?

Well that's not what this thread is about.

This thread is about attacks on peaceful Muslims by a right wing extremist who doused them with acid.

They will be scarred for the rest of their lives.

Does this mean nothing to you?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 4:55am:

I urge you all to pay attention to this: Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported. “A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British." Were this attack committed by a Muslim with a similar online profile and wanted status, we would without hesitation call it terrorism. What is this if it is not terrorism? What is it if it is not extremism? Seriously, check yourselves before you find you have anything at all in common with this terrorist ... and so very many of you do. Consider yourselves held up in stark relief. Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type fuels this kind of extremism. Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible.

Proportion is important.

How many people have Muslims murdered in Britain for Allah?

How many Muslims have been killed in Britain in response?



For over a decade you and your like have been saying that Muslims have nuffin' to do with Islamic violence - but now you want all of us to own and take responsibility for a violent attack on Muslims.

Where the hell do you get orf???

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:12pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:55am: I urge you all to pay attention to this: Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported. “A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British." Were this attack committed by a Muslim with a similar online profile and wanted status, we would without hesitation call it terrorism. What is this if it is not terrorism? What is it if it is not extremism? Seriously, check yourselves before you find you have anything at all in common with this terrorist ... and so very many of you do. Consider yourselves held up in stark relief. Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type fuels this kind of extremism. Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible. Proportion is important. How many people have Muslims murdered in Britain for Allah? How many Muslims have been killed in Britain in response?

Nope. It's not about the death count.

Do you think the people permanantly disformed for life by an acid attack are overthining death tolls?

Violence is violence. Extremism is extremism.

Now ask yourself if you are in any way contributing towards extremism?

Are you Frank?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:16pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:12pm: Proportion is important. How many people have Muslims murdered in Britain for Allah? How many Muslims have been killed in Britain in response? Nope. It's not about the death count. Do you think the people permanantly disformed for life by an acid attack are overthining death tolls? Violence is violence. Extremism is extremism. Now ask yourself if you are in any way contributing towards extremism? Are you Frank?

For over a decade you and your like have been saying that Muslims have nuffin' to do with Islamic violence - but now you want all of us to own and take responsibility for a violent attack on Muslims.

Where the hell do you get orf???

"The vast majority of non-Muslims have nothing to do with the tiny minority of non-Muslims."  These random Muslims had acid sprayed on them because of the decade long murdering of Brits by Muslims in their own country. The two are causally related. I will even that Muslims would be much more accepted if they were seen as being effectively countering the extremists among them, rather than being forever arse-covering and saying they have nuffin' to do with Islamists, thereby being complicit.

It is terrible to have acid sprayed on anyone, for any reason.  But a backlash like this doesn't come from nowhere. It is called a BACK lash because it is a response to something. The 'vast majority of the Muslim community' could have eliminated the 'tiny minority' among them if they really wanted to.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:16pm: Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:12pm: Proportion is important. How many people have Muslims murdered in Britain for Allah? How many Muslims have been killed in Britain in response? Nope. It's not about the death count. Do you think the people permanantly disformed for life by an acid attack are overthining death tolls? Violence is violence. Extremism is extremism. Now ask yourself if you are in any way contributing towards extremism? Are you Frank? For over a decade you and your like have been saying that Muslims have nuffin' to do with Islamic violence - but now you want all of us to own and take responsibility for a violent attack on Muslims. Where the hell do you get orf??? "The vast majority of non-Muslims have nothing to do with the tiny minority of non-Muslims."  These random Muslims had acid sprayed on them because of the decade long murdering of Brits by Muslims in their own country. The two are causally related. I will even that Muslims would be much more accepted if they were seen as being effectively countering the extremists among them, rather than being forever arse-covering and saying they have nuffin' to do with Islamists, thereby being complicit. It is terrible to have acid sprayed on anyone, for any reason.  But a backlash like this doesn't come from nowhere. It is called a BACK lash because it is a response to something. The 'vast majority of the Muslim community' could have eliminated the 'tiny minority' among them if they really wanted to.

Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years?

No-one has ever said "it has nothing to do with Islam".

No-one.

What people have said is that most people who follow Islam don't ascribe to violence.

Some people have twisted holy words ... but that happens. It happens with every religion.

Terrorism however s more political than religious. Agreed? There's a war on, in case you haven't noticed. The other side is fighting back.

It's not about Islam. Not at least, how most people practice Islam.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:33pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:26pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 12:23pm: LOL Unreality Girl.... You think maybe all those terrorist attacks and dead innocent people all over the world and particularly in britain, might have something to do with this idiots act? :o Do you think it has something to do with most Muslims? You are such and idiot.  Go back and actually read the information Frank posted for you. My response is No. Do you think the acid attack in the OP has something to do with most right wing people? No....  but you are the one making the idiotic claim not me.  To make LW prog idiotic claims about criminal lunatics being political is moronic...  You keep doing it. :D :D :D Islamic Terrorists make their motivations clear.  They are also criminal lunatics.  They are more organised and widespread than individuals like this twat.  You are trying to compare apples and oranges you are a spineless brainless apologist. Grendel? Are you seriously this naive?

Nothing naive about what I said you just toss words about to put others down based on nothing.
Your comments are idiotic...

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:34pm:

Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? No-one has ever said "it has nothing to do with Islam". No-one.

Therefore it is to do with Islam.  And if the vast majority of Muslims do not want jihad they could have stopped it by now. But they haven't. They just say it has nothing to do with them - as if the Western civilians murdered by Muslims in their own countries somehow did not implicate the do-fvckall Muslim going about their business in hijabs and pajamas and listening to 'peaceful' imams blaming everyone for Islamic violence except the very ideology Islam itself.

I simply do not believe in the 'vast majority' mantra. There is no factual reason to believe it.
If they were really that vast a majority and really that committed to peace they would have ended Islamic jihad in the West within 2 minutes flat. But they haven't because they are ideologically much closer to the head hackers than is comfortable to admit.
SO they just do a little bit of gesticulating here and there but mostly are excusing the head hackers on the grounds of Western interference in 'Muslim lands' - as if their very presence and jihad in 'Western lands' wasn't interference.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:48pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:34pm: Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? No-one has ever said "it has nothing to do with Islam". No-one. Therefore it is to do with Islam.  And if the vast majority of Muslims do not want jihad they could have stopped it by now. But they haven't. They just say it has nothing to do with them - as if the Western civilians murdered by Muslims in their own countries somehow did not implicate the do-fvckall Muslim going about their business in hijabs and pajamas and listening to 'peaceful' imams blaming everyone for Islamic violence except the very ideology Islam itself. I simply do not believe in the 'vast majority' mantra. There is no factual reason to believe it. If they were really that vast a majority and really that committed to peace they would have ended Islamic jihad in the West within 2 minutes flat. But they haven't because they are ideologically much closer to the head hackers than is comfortable to admit. SO they just do a little bit of gesticulating here and there but mostly are excusing the head hackers on the grounds of Western interference in 'Muslim lands' - as if their very presence and jihad in 'Western lands' wasn't interference.

Have you stopped men raping?

Shouldn't you have stopped it by now?

Grendel wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:47pm:

Grendel? Are you seriously this naive?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:34pm:

Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years?

Don't try this silly 'are you so naive' crap, Mother.  You have neither insight nor functioning critical faculties. Bandying about the word 'naive' will not cover it up.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:51pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:47pm: Grendel? Are you seriously this naive? mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:34pm: Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? Don't try this silly 'are you so naive' crap, Mother.  You have neither insight nor functioning critical faculties. Bandying about the word 'naive' will not cover it up.

Oh yes. I do.

And i'm tremendously happier than either you or Grendel as a result.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:28pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:16pm: Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:12pm: Proportion is important. How many people have Muslims murdered in Britain for Allah? How many Muslims have been killed in Britain in response? Nope. It's not about the death count. Do you think the people permanantly disformed for life by an acid attack are overthining death tolls? Violence is violence. Extremism is extremism. Now ask yourself if you are in any way contributing towards extremism? Are you Frank? For over a decade you and your like have been saying that Muslims have nuffin' to do with Islamic violence - but now you want all of us to own and take responsibility for a violent attack on Muslims. Where the hell do you get orf??? "The vast majority of non-Muslims have nothing to do with the tiny minority of non-Muslims."  These random Muslims had acid sprayed on them because of the decade long murdering of Brits by Muslims in their own country. The two are causally related. I will even that Muslims would be much more accepted if they were seen as being effectively countering the extremists among them, rather than being forever arse-covering and saying they have nuffin' to do with Islamists, thereby being complicit. It is terrible to have acid sprayed on anyone, for any reason.  But a backlash like this doesn't come from nowhere. It is called a BACK lash because it is a response to something. The 'vast majority of the Muslim community' could have eliminated the 'tiny minority' among them if they really wanted to. Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? No-one has ever said "it has nothing to do with Islam". No-one. What people have said is that most people who follow Islam don't ascribe to violence. Some people have twisted holy words ... but that happens. It happens with every religion. Terrorism however s more political than religious. Agreed? There's a war on, in case you haven't noticed. The other side is fighting back. It's not about Islam. Not at least, how most people practice Islam.

Unreality girls strikes again!!!
Do you honestly believe the shyte you write?
Cuckoo Time...

http://orig14.deviantart.net/b987/f/2013/226/1/5/_mickey_mouse_shorts_cuckoo_birds_from_yodelberg__by_purplepeepbits-d6i45ig.jpg

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:50pm:

Have you stopped men raping? Shouldn't you have stopped it by now?

Explain, of critical thinker, how the biological category of maleness and the freely chosen or rejected ideology of Islam are comparable.


What ideology is hidden with in the XY chromosomes, and are you this stupid because you only have two Xs?? Are stupid out of Y-envy??

See? I can denigrade your femaleness just as easily, you silly old bint.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:51pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:47pm: Grendel? Are you seriously this naive? mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:34pm: Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? Don't try this silly 'are you so naive' crap, Mother.  You have neither insight nor functioning critical faculties. Bandying about the word 'naive' will not cover it up. Oh yes. I do. And i'm tremendously happier than either you or Grendel as a result.

Ah...  no you don't...  to both.
You just post crap based on UNREALITY.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:56pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:50pm: Have you stopped men raping? Shouldn't you have stopped it by now? Explain, of critical thinker, how the biological category of maleness and the freely chosen or rejected ideology of Islam are comparable. What ideology is hidden with in the XY chromosomes, and are you this stupid because you only have two Xs?? Are stupid out of Y-envy?? See? I can denigrade your femaleness just as easily, you silly old bint.

I'll just ignore the fact that the question was badly worded and get on with it, shall i?

You want me to evidence the patriarchy in Islam? Why not the patriarchy in Christianity? Or Judaism?

Are you seriously trying to advocate for women's rights in text over application?

All this to avoid talking about the fact that a right wing nut-job dumped acid on two Muslim people for no ther reason than that they were Muslim.

LOL.
You don't know his politics at all.
LW progs call any extremists RW for some unknown reason.
No one said what he did was right or excused it like people of your ilk do to Islamic Terrorists.  Whilst all the while trying to compare individual nut-jobs to an organised religious cult that seeks world domination.
Do you even know what you are on about?

Grendel wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 3:43pm:

LOL. You don't know his politics at all. LW progs call any extremists RW for some unknown reason. No one said what he did was right or excused it like people of your ilk do to Islamic Terrorists.  Whilst all the while trying to compare individual nut-jobs to an organised religious cult that seeks world domination. Do you even know what you are on about?

Ummm yes. We know his politics.

Is this a problem for you Goose?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 3:43pm: LOL. You don't know his politics at all. LW progs call any extremists RW for some unknown reason. No one said what he did was right or excused it like people of your ilk do to Islamic Terrorists.  Whilst all the while trying to compare individual nut-jobs to an organised religious cult that seeks world domination. Do you even know what you are on about? Ummm yes. We know his politics. Is this a problem for you Goose?

really?
So what are they.
And don't try on that leftist poo that racism, bigotry, hatred, etc, etc are all RW political values...  They aint ya twerp.

Didn't read the OP Goose?

Why doesn't that surprise me.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 3:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:56pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:50pm: Have you stopped men raping? Shouldn't you have stopped it by now? Explain, oh critical thinker, how the biological category of maleness and the freely chosen or rejected ideology of Islam are comparable. What ideology is hidden with in the XY chromosomes, and are you this stupid because you only have two Xs?? Are stupid out of Y-envy?? See? I can denigrade your femaleness just as easily, you silly old bint. I'll just ignore the fact that the question was badly worded and get on with it, shall i? You want me to evidence the patriarchy in Islam? Why not the patriarchy in Christianity? Or Judaism?

No, silly bint of limited intelligence and even more limited comprehension, I don't want you to 'evidence' anything (you spend too much time reading The Conversation and New Matilda, you talk like the pseuds writing for them).

This is what I asked you:

Explain, oh critical thinker, how the biological category of maleness and the freely chosen or rejected ideology of Islam are comparable.

Being a man is not a category one chooses. Being a Muslim IS. Rape is not action in the name of a chosen ideology. Muslim terrorism IS.


It shouldn't be so difficult even for a scatter brain like you.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:51pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:47pm: Grendel? Are you seriously this naive? mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 1:34pm: Frank, how can you seriously be so naive after all these years? Don't try this silly 'are you so naive' crap, Mother.  You have neither insight nor functioning critical faculties. Bandying about the word 'naive' will not cover it up. Oh yes. I do. And i'm tremendously happier than either you or Grendel as a result.

Yes, we do know you try to cover up your lack of insights or ability to think. That's what I said.

But it's not working, Mother, no matter how happy you are just by trying to cover it up.

What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank?

You haven't said.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:21pm:

What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said.

He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country.
A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained.

If only Muslims could have so much self control.  That's one more thing they should learn from the West if they want to be accepted.

Interesting. Why do you think Muslim terorists are pissed off?
Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:21pm: What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said. He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country. A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained. If only Muslims could have so much self control.  They should learn yet one more thing from the West.

Interesting.. What do you think has pissed of Muslim terrorists?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Interesting. Why do you think Muslim terorists are pissed off? Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:34pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:21pm: What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said. He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country. A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained. If only Muslims could have so much self control.  They should learn yet one more thing from the West. Interesting.. What do you think has pissed of Muslim terrorists?

The teachings of Mohammed. It is nothing else.

A Muslim front bottoms, taken in by a Western country, has absolutely NO reason other than his Islamic ideology, to kill his Western neighbours. None. And for you to insinuate that somehow he does makes you an ever worse.

It is his totally warped holy book and his warlord that teach him to wage murderous war on the kuffar 'wherever you find them'.  On top of that - why are the sunnis murdering the shia and vice versa??? To show the West how terrible it is?

You are out of your mind even more than they are.

Austria  July 1, 2017
http://www.krone.at/oesterreich/linz-tunesier-toetete-ehepaar-aus-hass-auf-fpoe-exempel-statuieren-story-576661

After the brutal murder of an elderly couple early Friday morning in Linz, the motive for the crime is now resolved: The suspect – a 54 year old Muslim from Tunisia – committed the carnage out of hatred for the Freedom Party of Austria, according to police.
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He confessed to the officers that he had murdered the 85-year-old woman and her 87 year old husband. According to information by “Krone”, the two had even assisted him financially until now, because his organic store was not doing well.





Murder. Not acid. Murder. By a Tunisian in Austria, murdering an elderly couple who have been helping him.

The murderer was one of the 'vast majority of peaceful Muslims' right up to the time when he killed his benefactors because they were not pro-Muslim enough for him in their own country.

Not stopping Muslim immigration to the West is simply madness. Trusting the ones already here is equally mad.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:45pm: Interesting. Why do you think Muslim terorists are pissed off? Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:34pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:21pm: What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said. He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country. A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained. If only Muslims could have so much self control.  They should learn yet one more thing from the West. Interesting.. What do you think has pissed of Muslim terrorists? The teachings of Mohammed. It is nothing else. A Muslim nice people, taken in by a Western country, has absolutely NO reason other than his Islamic ideology, to kill his Western neighbours. None. And for you to insinuate that somehow he does makes you an ever worse. It is his totally warped holy book and his warlord that teach him to wage murderous war on the kuffar 'wherever you find them'.  On top of that - why are the sunnis murdering the shia and vice versa??? To show the West how terrible it is? You are out of your mind even more than they are.

May i ask why most Muslims are peaceful then?

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:54pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:45pm: Interesting. Why do you think Muslim terorists are pissed off? Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:34pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:21pm: What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said. He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country. A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained. If only Muslims could have so much self control.  They should learn yet one more thing from the West. Interesting.. What do you think has pissed of Muslim terrorists? The teachings of Mohammed. It is nothing else. A Muslim nice people, taken in by a Western country, has absolutely NO reason other than his Islamic ideology, to kill his Western neighbours. None. And for you to insinuate that somehow he does makes you an ever worse. It is his totally warped holy book and his warlord that teach him to wage murderous war on the kuffar 'wherever you find them'.  On top of that - why are the sunnis murdering the shia and vice versa??? To show the West how terrible it is? You are out of your mind even more than they are. May i ask why most Muslims are peaceful then?

1. Cowardice.
2. Apostasy - most of them do not actually believe in Islam but are too afraid to say so publicly - see 1 above.
3. Er... that's it.

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:41pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:20pm: Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:54pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:45pm: Interesting. Why do you think Muslim terorists are pissed off? Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:34pm: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:21pm: What do you think about the right wing terrorist who sprayed innocent Muslims with acid, Frank? You haven't said. He was obviously very pissed off about Muslims and their impact on his country. A sentiment widely shared. But nobody else has sprayed acid at Muslims. Considering the extreme provocation since 2001, I think Westerners have been amazingly restrained. If only Muslims could have so much self control.  They should learn yet one more thing from the West. Interesting.. What do you think has pissed of Muslim terrorists? The teachings of Mohammed. It is nothing else. A Muslim nice people, taken in by a Western country, has absolutely NO reason other than his Islamic ideology, to kill his Western neighbours. None. And for you to insinuate that somehow he does makes you an ever worse. It is his totally warped holy book and his warlord that teach him to wage murderous war on the kuffar 'wherever you find them'.  On top of that - why are the sunnis murdering the shia and vice versa??? To show the West how terrible it is? You are out of your mind even more than they are. May i ask why most Muslims are peaceful then? 1. Cowardice. 2. Apostasy - most of them do not actually believe in Islam but are too afraid to say so publicly - see 1 above. 3. Er... that's it.

i,6 billion people are cowards or apostates?

You can't be serious,

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 4:45am:

This victim of a horrific acid attack nailed the problem in how we see terrorism. Jameel Muhktar thought it was some sort of "practical joke" at first. But soon after the 37-year-old rolled down his car window in East London to greet the man who'd been knocking on the glass, he realized the stranger had far darker motives. "He just squirted this clear liquid over us," Muhktar told Channel 4 News. Then, Muhktar's skin started to burn. Muhktar had been doused with acid. Resham Khan, Muhktar's younger cousin who'd been sitting next to him in the car, was also targeted. Left with severe burns covering large areas of their bodies, Muhktar and Khan, who are both Muslim, needed emergency skin-grafting procedures to repair their overwhelmingly painful injuries. "I'm devastated," Khan wrote in a tweet thread that's gone viral. "I keep wondering if my life will ever be the same." The two had been celebrating Khan's 21st birthday the day they were attacked. "We're innocent people," Muhktar told Channel 4. "We didn't deserve that. I've never seen this guy in my life." The guy Muhktar spoke of is 24-year-old John Tomlin — the reported attacker, known to have ties to the far right. John Tomlin, 24, sought by police following acid attack Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported. “A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British." In his interview with Channel 4 News, Muhktar pointed out a sad reality: Why isn't his country reacting the same way it would if he'd been a white man attacked by a Muslim? As Muhktar explained: “It's definitely a hate crime. I believe it's something to do with Islamophobia. Maybe he's got it in for Muslims because of the things that have been going on lately. ... If this was an Asian guy like myself, going up to a couple in a car ... an English couple, and acid attacking them, I know for a fact and the whole country knows it would be straight-away classed as a terrorism attack." Muhktar's comment points to a disturbing trend in the U.S. and Europe. The way we view violence is heavily dependent on who's committing the crime. When a white person, motivated by hate, attacks a person (or people) of a different group, do we perceive it as a heinous act? We tend not to — even though white, right-wing extremists have killed more people in the U.S. in recent years than jihadists have. We see those acts as crimes committed by "lone wolfs," though — people acting independently of any sort of hate-filled ideology. That's simply not the case. As anti-Muslim attitudes and violence rise in the West, it's important we get our facts straight. Fortunately, many people in the U.K. and around the world have been alarmed by Tomlin's acts of violence, and they have rallied behind Muhktar and Khan in their time of need. Two separate GoFundMe pages have been set up — one for Mukhtar and one for Khan — so that supporters can help the two with mounting medical expenses. "Although we have faith justice will be served once the criminal is caught, the scars Resham and Jameel will carry will last a life time," reads one of the pages. https://www.upworthy.com/this-victim-of-a-horrific-acid-attack-nailed-the-problem-in-how-we-see-terrorism/?ef

Not racist, Mothra - Islam is not a race.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:00am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:56am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer? When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing.

Apologist. What about the Boongs?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:18am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:12am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:57am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am: freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am: How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda? Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace? You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis. There is blood on your hands. Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? All of a sudden we are interested in my standards? Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves. So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself? No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain? Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"? Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way? I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not. Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective? FD? Are you honestly that shameless? Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications? I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

He also says we should torture Jews for their gold, FD. And execute gays who do it Mardi Gras-style.

You?

Karnal wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2017 at 3:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:00am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:56am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer? When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing. Apologist. What about the Boongs?

When they stop blaming whitey for their bad decisions I'll stop bashing them.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2017 at 3:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 3rd, 2017 at 3:25pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 10:00am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:56am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am: You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down. It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all. Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable? Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims? What's the score, Hammer? Is this terrorism? It's a cowardly act and I condone it in no way. I know you are all in a tizzy about it but when a whole bunch of little muslim kids are blown to pieces at a pop concert I'll be more tizzied. I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy. I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem. I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum. I would like to see people be more chilled out and inclusive. I would like to see the chilled out and inclusively minded encouraged and the extremists discouraged. Which are you, Hammer? When Muslims stop murdering  people up I'll stop the Muslim bashing. Apologist. What about the Boongs? When they stop blaming whitey for their bad decisions I'll stop bashing them.

And what about the Pakis?

Frank wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 2:56pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 2:50pm: Have you stopped men raping? Shouldn't you have stopped it by now? Explain, of critical thinker, how the biological category of maleness and the freely chosen or rejected ideology of Islam are comparable.

Correlation not causation, dear boy. People choose Islam because they're tinted. Once they're in, they can't leave. Apostasy, innit. All those burqa-wearers and bearded numpties have to comply. Performative, innit. Islam is their punishment for their inferior genes.

Inferior culture, innit. Correlation not causation. It is a jolly world.

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 4:11pm:

Didn't read the OP Goose? Why doesn't that surprise me.

Why aren't TROLLS like yourself ever banned here mothra.
Got nothing to say...  then just shut up.

BTW I read it and you still fail to acknowledge the facts...

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am:

Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications? I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

Yadda preaches that every single muslim - man woman and child is a latent wannabe murderer and psychopath. He announces this loudly and proudly. He also advocates the internment of all muslims in Australia. Any muslim he refers to he describes with colourful language like "filthy" and "lying" and "deceitful" - and leaves us in no doubt that these qualities are solely a product of them being a follower of Islam - hence his favourite phrase "muslim = a follower of Islam"

Never once have I attacked jews for being jewish, never once stated or implied that jews are inherently prone to violence, deceit, lying etc - simply by virtue of being jewish. I have certainly never advocated mass internment of jews, or described them with such offensive labels as "filthy". In fact, I have never once said anything negative about the jewish religion at all.

And yet, you would compare the hateful bigotry of Yadda, to me hypothesising that an alleged mass execution of warriors 1400 years ago, could probably be justified by the standards of the time (certainly not today's standards)- in view of their colluding with a dangerous enemy who at the time had 10 thousand strong army laying siege to their city!

Do I really need to explain the absurdity of this?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 12:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 11:30am: Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications? I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK. Yadda preaches that every single muslim - man woman and child is a latent wannabe murderer and psychopath. He announces this loudly and proudly. He also advocates the internment of all muslims in Australia. Any muslim he refers to he describes with colourful language like "filthy" and "lying" and "deceitful" - and leaves us in no doubt that these qualities are solely a product of them being a follower of Islam - hence his favourite phrase "muslim = a follower of Islam" Never once have I attacked jews for being jewish, never once stated or implied that jews are inherently prone to violence, deceit, lying etc - simply by virtue of being jewish. I have certainly never advocated mass internment of jews, or described them with such offensive labels as "filthy". In fact, I have never once said anything negative about the jewish religion at all. And yet, you would compare the hateful bigotry of Yadda, to me hypothesising that an alleged mass execution of warriors 1400 years ago, could probably be justified by the standards of the time (certainly not today's standards)- in view of their colluding with a dangerous enemy who at the time had 10 thousand strong army laying siege to their city! Do I really need to explain the absurdity of this?

I see huge tracts of absurdity, if that helps any.

Really?
I don't think so.
You failed to mention what they were didn't you. ;D ;D ;D

FD??

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 1:42pm:

FD??

You know the drill, G. Genocide. Collective punishment. A hive mind. No individuality whatsoever. So unfair.

"kill the mushriken wherever you find them"

How come you guys know that stuff off by heart? ;D ;D ;D

So do we get sensible debate here or not.
oh karnal, you're automatically excluded, out of kindness. ::)

This acid attack thread has outlasted the little kids blown to pieces in Manchester?? That's weird because  the Manchester attack was atrocious and way worse.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 3:29pm:

This acid attack thread has outlasted the little kids blown to pieces in Manchester?? That's weird because  the Manchester attack was atrocious and way worse.

how many posts did you contribute to that thread and how many to this one?



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