No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation.

A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man.

But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police.

The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in.

The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/

I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for?

You seem very selective in your outrage.

Oh look, everyone!

Gordon has been caught out in another thread, hoping that an innocent young woman is murdered by Donald Trump, so he's started this thread as a distraction.

Dear oh dear.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage.

Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

Oh look, everyone! Gordon has been caught out in another thread, hoping that an innocent young woman is murdered by Donald Trump, so he's started this thread as a distraction. Dear oh dear.

In just one hour gregs protected IS  terrorists and people who arrange child marriage.  Well done you.
How's your white backwater going today, Adolf?

"Hopefully Trump takes her out with a drone strike."

Hoping an innocent young girl is murdered.

Dear oh dear.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:35am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave.

No. I think it's very much an international problem with the way women and girls are considered to be "property".

Plenty of that in Australia.

But you don't really care about the women and girls, do you. This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:48am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:35am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave. No. I think it's very much an international problem with the way women and girls are considered to be "property". Plenty of that in Australia. But you don't really care about the women and girls, do you. This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia.

Nailed it!

He couldn't care less about the women & kids.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:48am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:35am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave. No. I think it's very much an international problem with the way women and girls are considered to be "property". Plenty of that in Australia. But you don't really care about the women and girls, do you. This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia.

Did the article mention Islam?
Lovely day down there in your white enclave? Why do you pretend to be so multicultural yet hide yourself away in such a monocultural society?  Bloody hypocrite.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:48am:

This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia.

Indeed.

His Islamophobia hover car.

How on earth would you know the demographics where i live?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:53am:

How on earth would you know the demographics where i live?

;D

Poor old Gordy: owned, yet again.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:53am:

How on earth would you know the demographics where i live?

Anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne looks like a Hitler youth poster.  Even eastern subs is more ethnicity diverse.  Fc you're a fraud, you'd shte your thai fisherman's pants if you went to lakemba.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:59am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:53am: How on earth would you know the demographics where i live? Anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne looks like a Hitler youth poster.  Even eastern subs is more ethnicity diverse.  Fc you're a fraud, you'd shte your thai fisherman's pants if you went to lakemba.

Do you never tire of being wrong?

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:59am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:53am: How on earth would you know the demographics where i live? Anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne looks like a Hitler youth poster.

That's because you're staring at the wallpaper on your smartphone, you nong.


http://spartacus-educational.com/00hitlerY1.jpg

Have you finished your coffee, Gordon?


http://www.military-print.co.uk/images/user/HJposter%201.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 11:11am:

Have you finished your coffee, Gordon? http://www.military-print.co.uk/images/user/HJposter%201.jpg

I think he drinks tea.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/a0/d8/49a0d8c726958ad1f3f5ececa49cd62e.jpg

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 11:00am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:59am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:53am: How on earth would you know the demographics where i live? Anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne looks like a Hitler youth poster.  Even eastern subs is more ethnicity diverse.  Fc you're a fraud, you'd shte your thai fisherman's pants if you went to lakemba. Do you never tire of being wrong?

i think that this is sound advice.

gordon wishes to climb the "narrow road to success"
a realisation that all climbers must come to is that you have to cut certain influences that are holding you back.

people who are emotionally uncalibrated such as gweg and yourself need to be cut from your circle of concerns.

in the same way a climber looks at a big mac and says 'dont eat that , it wont help you"
in the same way a climber looks at gossip on social media and says "dont read that, it wont help you"

a climber must look at negative toxic influences like internet trolls and say "dont interact with them, they wont help you".

in all seriousness, if you interact with a troll like gweg, you may get sucked into "his " frame.  and if you do this enough, guess what, you "become" gweg.

gordon...get yourself around success.
vibe with success.
dont vibe with failures.

they are just heavy weights you are putting in your backpack as you climb the "narrow road"

put in too many weights and you will never make it to the top.  any influence that is not helping you, any emotion that is not increasing your awesomeness needs to be jettisoned  ;) ;)

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 11:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 11:11am: Have you finished your coffee, Gordon? http://www.military-print.co.uk/images/user/HJposter%201.jpg I think he drinks tea. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/a0/d8/49a0d8c726958ad1f3f5ececa49cd62e.jpg

Only another five months, and he can get his Christmas decorations out.


http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/180465.jpg

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage.

mothra,

Why don't you stand up, and support Australian law ?



Forced marriage in Australia, is unlawful.

Underage marriage in Australia, is unlawful.


Why are you trying to distract attention away from those ILLEGAL activities, being hidden, by moslems living in Australia, and being winked at, by moslems living in Australia ?

You are just one, of so, so many 'apologists' for moslem LAWLESSNESS in this country.





IMAGE....
https://media.makeameme.org/created/apologists-apologists-everywhere-evt0bf.jpg



You are seeking to destroy the peace of this country.

On YOUR head be it.

Yadda wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. mothra, Why don't you stand up, and support Australian law ? Forced marriage in Australia, is unlawful. Underage marriage in Australia, is unlawful. You are seeking to destroy the peace of this country. On YOUR head be it.

Nobody here is condoning forced and/or underage marriage in this or any other country.

Yadda == full of crap   <------------ dictionary definition.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/

You know what's disturbing about this article?

1. We all know that Islam AND the parents are behind this BS.

2. No Cth or State govt agency has the balls to competently deal with the matter.

3. A Protestant organisation with limited funding is left to clean up the sordid mess left behind by 1. and 2.

Disgusting!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article?

Yes, I do.

Gordon has no concern for the women and children involved.

He's quite simply using this article as a means to push his Islamophobic agenda.

That's what's disturbing.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:48am: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:35am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave. No. I think it's very much an international problem with the way women and girls are considered to be "property". Plenty of that in Australia. But you don't really care about the women and girls, do you. This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia. Did the article mention Islam? Lovely day down there in your white enclave? Why do you pretend to be so multicultural yet hide yourself away in such a monocultural society?  Bloody hypocrite.

The article didn't mention Islam because it was written by a soft cock!

It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:50pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article? Yes, I do.

Really? I don't think so.

Where's YOUR condemnation re THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE POSTED ARTICLE?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 12:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:52am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:48am: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:35am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:31am: I'm interested in why you never seem to hold issue with the thousands of forced child marriages every year in the US amongst Christian communities that are perfectly legal and well legislated for? You seem very selective in your outrage. Think local. Bet not much of this occurring in your white enclave. No. I think it's very much an international problem with the way women and girls are considered to be "property". Plenty of that in Australia. But you don't really care about the women and girls, do you. This is just a vehicle for you to push your ever present Islamophobia. Did the article mention Islam? Lovely day down there in your white enclave? Why do you pretend to be so multicultural yet hide yourself away in such a monocultural society?  Bloody hypocrite. The article didn't mention Islam because it was written by a soft cock! It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one!

Again, no concern for the women and children.

Just irrational Islamophobia.

Dear oh dear.

The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community.

The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:50pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article? Yes, I do. Really? I don't think so. Where's YOUR condemnation re THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE POSTED ARTICLE?

I condemn all forced and/or underage marriage.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c

"57 per cent identified as Christian."

Oh dear.

It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preoccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one!

Wouldn't you agree, Lisa?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:54pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:50pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article? Yes, I do. Really? I don't think so. Where's YOUR condemnation re THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE POSTED ARTICLE? I condemn all forced and/or underage marriage.

I didn't ask if you condemned all forced and/or underage marriage.


I DID ASK :

Where's YOUR condemnation re THE ISSUES RAISED IN THE POSTED ARTICLE?

And you want to know why?

Because up until now.....all you've contributed in here has been trolling and the hijacking of this serious topic with nothing but off topic spam!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:02pm: The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c "57 per cent identified as Christian." Oh dear. It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preoccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one! Wouldn't you agree, Lisa?

Up!  For Lisa.

I think she's pretending she didn't see it, Greg.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:02pm: The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c "57 per cent identified as Christian." Oh dear. It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preoccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one! Wouldn't you agree, Lisa?

Up!   For Lisa.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 1:02pm: The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c "57 per cent identified as Christian." Oh dear. It's high time we faced the brutal reality of this vile so called "religion" and its association and preoccupation with paedophilia...and name its perverse crimes as they appear in our media....one by one! Wouldn't you agree, Lisa?

Up!   For Lisa.

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation.

Your article omits a number of facts, Gordon: the key details of the case, but most importantly, the age of the young person.

A child is defined as someone under 14 in the Children's Act. Those aged 14 - 17 are defined as young people. Depending on the age of this person, if the matter was being investigated by the Federal police, FACS would have no role in such an investigation. The police can seize passports and issue AVOs, and they most certainly would if they suspected an underage marriage. Ultimately, the only legal power FACS has is the ability to apply for legal orders to place a child/young person into care. Again, depending on their age, this would not necessarily assist.

Forced marriage of a young person under 18 automatically screens in as Risk Of Significant Harm, thus requiring a secondary assessment. The article states that the young person did not receive a face-to-face assessment. It's likely that FACS reported to the Federal Police, found that the case was under investigation, and closed the case. FACS automatically refers cases of underage marriage to the federal police as per FACS policy.

What else should they do?

Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now.

I wonder why?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 2:47pm:

Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why?

Something to do with this, maybe:

"The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "

:-/

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 2:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. Your article omits a number of facts, Gordon: the key details of the case, but most importantly, the age of the young person. A child is defined as someone under 14 in the Children's Act. Those aged 14 - 17 are defined as young people. Depending on the age of this person, if the matter was being investigated by the Federal police, FACS would have no role in such an investigation. The police can seize passports and issue AVOs, and they most certainly would if they suspected an underage marriage. Ultimately, the only legal power FACS has is the ability to apply for legal orders to place a child/young person into care. Again, depending on their age, this would not necessarily assist. Forced marriage of a young person under 18 automatically screens in as Risk Of Significant Harm, thus requiring a secondary assessment. The article states that the young person did not receive a face-to-face assessment. It's likely that FACS reported to the Federal Police, found that the case was under investigation, and closed the case. FACS automatically refers cases of underage marriage to the federal police as per FACS policy. What else should they do?

And the obfuscation begins :)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 2:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/

Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on

FORCED MARRIAGE

NOT

UNDER AGE MARRIAGE.

Can you even read English???

And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see.

Yes indeed. Did you check out the link?

The Christian religious right are seriously twisted.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see.

Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later.

You seem to have gone all silent over here too :

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15


I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted.

Up! For Lisa.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later. You seem to have gone all silent over here too : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15 I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

Oh look....Greg's been exposed for exactly what he is.....so  he's logged off.

Pffffft! Loser!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article? 1. We all know that Islam AND the parents are behind this BS. 2. No Cth or State govt agency has the balls to competently deal with the matter. 3. A Protestant organisation with limited funding is left to clean up the sordid mess left behind by 1. and 2. Disgusting!

THIS is where the topic was at.....before it was spammed by Greg et al!

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted.

Indeed.

Lisa seems very keen on defending them, though.

I wonder why that is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted. Indeed. Lisa seems very keen on defending them, though. I wonder why that is.

So it seems.

She's taking to spamming the thread to cover up the truth.

Gordy has just bolted.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later. You seem to have gone all silent over here too : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15 I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

Up for Gweggy!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/ You know what's disturbing about this article? 1. We all know that Islam AND the parents are behind this BS. 2. No Cth or State govt agency has the balls to competently deal with the matter. 3. A Protestant organisation with limited funding is left to clean up the sordid mess left behind by 1. and 2. Disgusting!

THIS is where the topic was at.....before it was spammed by Greg et al for bloody pages!

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c

Up! For Lisa (and Gordy).

Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:03pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 10:30am: No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. Your article omits a number of facts, Gordon: the key details of the case, but most importantly, the age of the young person. A child is defined as someone under 14 in the Children's Act. Those aged 14 - 17 are defined as young people. Depending on the age of this person, if the matter was being investigated by the Federal police, FACS would have no role in such an investigation. The police can seize passports and issue AVOs, and they most certainly would if they suspected an underage marriage. Ultimately, the only legal power FACS has is the ability to apply for legal orders to place a child/young person into care. Again, depending on their age, this would not necessarily assist. Forced marriage of a young person under 18 automatically screens in as Risk Of Significant Harm, thus requiring a secondary assessment. The article states that the young person did not receive a face-to-face assessment. It's likely that FACS reported to the Federal Police, found that the case was under investigation, and closed the case. FACS automatically refers cases of underage marriage to the federal police as per FACS policy. What else should they do? And the obfuscation begins :)

Don't want to answer the question, eh?

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:26pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted. Indeed. Lisa seems very keen on defending them, though. I wonder why that is. So it seems. She's taking to spamming the thread to cover up the truth. Gordy has just bolted.

Yes, Gordy always bolts. He's so predictable.

Lisa will persist with the large fonts for a while, though.

Then the highlighting will start.

And let's not forget the "Up!"s.

Let's hope the buzzer goes off on the washing machine soon.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE..

I know, dear. Gordon has cunningly switched terms after he couldn't find another Muslim underage marriage. Sneaky, no?

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:26pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted. Indeed. Lisa seems very keen on defending them, though. I wonder why that is. So it seems. She's taking to spamming the thread to cover up the truth. Gordy has just bolted. Yes, Gordy always bolts. He's so predictable.

Oh, for heaven's sake. Gordon has much more important things to do than sit around on an Internet forum all day being trolled. Gordon has a bris to attend.

He'll be back to discuss Muslim genital mutilation when they're done.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later. You seem to have gone all silent over here too : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15 I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

Up for Gweggy!

Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender.

I reckon the font size will increase before the day's done.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:26pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:19pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Yes indeed. Did you check out the link? The Christian religious right are seriously twisted. Indeed. Lisa seems very keen on defending them, though. I wonder why that is. So it seems. She's taking to spamming the thread to cover up the truth. Gordy has just bolted.

well done gordon.

one of the main lessons on the narrow road to success is that all people who are not helping fill your life with joy and positive emotions are to be ignored.

this is part of the "strong personal boundaries" that are a vital part of the superior man.

when a woman tries to push your hot buttons....just draw a boundary and ignore them.

and watch them chase.

you are now the source of the validation.

and the more icey and indifferent you are, the more they will develop a "need for an outcome".

they will literally blow up your phone (or in this case the internet) they will be that desperate.

the superior man always has women that are chasing him, as mothra is chasing you right now  ;)

What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later. You seem to have gone all silent over here too : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15 I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

Up for Gweggy!

Who just can't answer.....all of a sudden.

Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet.

You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?

Australian-born Christians, apparently.

"The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "

aquascoot wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

well done gordon. one of the main lessons on the narrow road to success is that all people who are not helping fill your life with joy and positive emotions are to be ignored. this is part of the "strong personal boundaries" that are a vital part of the superior man. when a woman tries to push your hot buttons....just draw a boundary and ignore them. and watch them chase. you are now the source of the validation. and the more icey and indifferent you are, the more they will develop a "need for an outcome". they will literally blow up your phone (or in this case the internet) they will be that desperate. the superior man always has women that are chasing him, as mothra is chasing you right now  ;)

Hmm?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... "

What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 2:47pm: Lisa and Gordy seem to be ignoring this thread now. I wonder why? Something to do with this, maybe: "The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " :-/ Listen here you creepy cyber junkie troll.....this topic is on FORCED MARRIAGE NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE. Can you even read English??? And you've been spamming this topic also....with irrelevant dribble I see. Oi Greg.....I know you've just $hitted yourself....but hurry along....you an clean yourself up later. You seem to have gone all silent over here too : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1499224693/15 I want to know what plans you have for laughing at and celebrating the death of my mum...the Australian (migrant) who (only ever) voted Liberal.

Up for Gweggy!

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.

"piece of crap"

;D

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:

What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man?

Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS.

YEP MUSLIMS.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS.

Nope. The Christian right. I posted a link about it and all.

No point denying it. It's only makes you look churlish.

Like Lisa said it Muslims. The other group that does it is Indians. Lebanese Muslims are into it a big way. They marry cousins in big family clans. Women can't inherit money according to sharia so they marry into the family which keeps her money within her clan. With Indians it's connected to the dowry system amongst other things.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:03pm:

Like Lisa said it Muslims. The other group that does it is Indians. Lebanese Muslims are into it a big way. They marry cousins in big family clans. Women can't inherit money according to sharia so they marry into the family which keeps her money within her clan. With Indians it's connected to the dowry system amongst other things.

Nope. The Christian right. Both here and in the US.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:03pm: Like Lisa said it Muslims. The other group that does it is Indians. Lebanese Muslims are into it a big way. They marry cousins in big family clans. Women can't inherit money according to sharia so they marry into the family which keeps her money within her clan. With Indians it's connected to the dowry system amongst other things. Nope. The Christian right. Both here and in the US.

rubbish.

It's interesting how little the members of this forum actually care about the issue.

They'd rather ignore the evidence and instead focus on their illogical hatred of all things Muslim.

That's not helping the kids, people.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS.

Actually, it's the Christian right.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:58pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS.

THIS TOPIC IS ON FORCED MARRIAGE.

NOT

UNDER AGE MARRIAGE

WHICH ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.

FORCED MARRIAGE IS A MUSLIM PROBLEM.

IT'S A SHAME AND A DISGRACE THAT CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS (eg as per the OP... Salvos) WITH LIMITED FUNDING ARE LEFT TO PICK UP THE PIECES OF MUSLIM WOMEN WHO ARE TRAPPED AND HELPLESS.

Disgusting!

Ms Kandal, a 17 year old girl, contacted police on 4 May 2010 stating that she was being taken to Lebanon to be married against her will by her mother and ‘perhaps other family members’. Her flight had been booked for 19 May 2010. Ms Kandal was living with her mother and step-father however she claimed that both her father and step-father supported the decision for her removal from Australia.

Ms Kandal gave enough information to the police that they were able to verify her identity and her place of residence. She stated however that she wanted minimal involvement from authorities and wanted to be placed on the Airport Watch List.

The Family Court made an order against her mother, father and step-father to restrain them from removing or attempting to remove the girl from Australia and to surrender her passport to the court. She was also placed on the Airport Watch List and an order made under section 68B of the Family Law Act 1975 for her mother, father and step-father to be restrained by way of injunction from assaulting, threatening, harassing or intimidating her.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. THIS TOPIC IS ON FORCED MARRIAGE. NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE WHICH ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. FORCED MARRIAGE IS A ...

... big problem within the Christian right.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:08pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. THIS TOPIC IS ON FORCED MARRIAGE. NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE WHICH ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. FORCED MARRIAGE IS A ... ... big problem within the Christian right.

Indeed. Girls are sometimes forced to marry their rapists.

In the US, it's girls as young as 11. Legally.

"Report: Child And Forced Marriage In U.S. Linked To Religion"

"The extensive report documents the shocking and often hidden reality of child and forced marriage in America.

"While many Americans may believe that child and forced marriage is something that happens to women in desperate third world countries, the fact is many American women and girls are forced or coerced into marriage. 

"The first part of the two-part series examines domestic cases of child and forced marriage, which often involve fundamentalist and isolated Christian sects."

Oh dear.

Why do Lisa and Hammer condone this sort of thing?

Forced marriage an emerging problem in Australia despite laws, welfare groups say

By Liz Hobday 

Updated 23 Jul 2014, 10:33pm

Related Story: Former Victorian premier calls for ban on marriage dowries

Hundreds of women in Australia are still being forced into marriage despite the practice being made illegal just over a year ago, Victorian welfare groups have said.

Laws passed by the Labor government in 2013 made it illegal to coerce, threaten or deceive someone into marriage.

And while Victorian authorities have yet to prosecute anyone under the new laws, forced marriage has been described as an emerging problem in Australia and many cases are thought to go unreported.

Meanwhile, a report from Plan International Australia has found there were 250 cases of children being forced into marriage in the past two years.

The charity said it was difficult to say whether the marriages were taking place in Australia, or if they were being flown to other countries for the ceremony then returning home, because it is largely under-reported.

Two years ago a 16-year-old Afghan refugee, who wants to be known as Ayan because she fears for her safety, was flown to Pakistan for a family holiday and forced to marry a man whom she had never met.

"When I went there everything just happened so quickly," she said.

"When I signed the marriage paper I had no knowledge of the fact that it was the marriage paper."




I was a shame to them. I was going to be ostracised.

She did not speak the same dialect as her husband so they could not communicate.

She was kept in Pakistan for four months.

"For that period of time it was just torture for me because no one was listening to me."

Ayan is now divorced, but only after a stand-off with her family that lasted years.

"I was a shame to them. I was going to be ostracised," she said.

"Usually what happens is the parent will take the girl overseas and the expectation is that the girl will return being married.

"It was the first time ever in my family anyone had refused like I did."

"But that didn't really matter because I knew that one day my parents would look at me and thank me for not letting them destroy my soul."

Girls to be taught forced marriage is wrong

The welfare group Good Shepherd regularly sees victims of forced marriage at its offices in Melbourne, mostly women dealing with domestic violence.

Good Shepherd chief executive officer Robyn Roberts said it was an emerging problem.

"It's really hard for us to understand at this stage the scope and scale of forced marriage in Australia," Ms Roberts said.

"But certainly anecdotal evidence is suggesting that it's prevalent in the community."

The federal police have investigated more than a dozen cases of forced marriage, most involving teenage girls.

Under Commonwealth legislation introduced a year ago, those involved in organising a forced marriage, including family members and wedding planners, face up to seven years in jail if convicted.

In New South Wales a 62-year-old man is due to stand trial accused of consenting to the marriage of his 12-year-old daughter.

It is alleged the man consented to his daughter's religious marriage to a 26-year-old Lebanese national and they were illegally married by a Muslim cleric in the lounge room of the father's home in January.




We know that it's grossly under-reported and many of these types of incidents occur within a family environment.

Superintendent Rod Jouning, Victoria Police



In Victoria, police have yet to lay any charges under the new laws, but Victoria Police Superintendent Rod Jouning said several cases had been investigated.

"We know that it's grossly under-reported and many of these types of incidents occur within a family environment," he said.

Victoria Police is developing a state-wide training program so officers can tackle the problem.

"It hasn't started yet but it will do and hopefully will cover every member of this organisation," Superintendent Jouning said.

The police training program will be rolled out later this year.

It is a move Ayan would welcome.

She said more education is needed so that victims of forced marriage realise that what is happened to them is wrong.

"With the culture we are supposed to be docile. We are supposed to listen to our parents because they are older and know what's best for us," she said.

"But I felt [it was] very wrong. Like how is it right to force me to sleep in the same room with someone who I hardly know and can't speak to?"

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. Actually, it's....

Muslims. That's right. Muslims.

And all you've achieved today is waste an entire day trolling under various nics spamming every topic you've infected.....with unsubstantiated and off topic dribble.

This topic is yet another prime example where you've demonstrated your inability to understand the topic title ie FORCED MARRIAGE.

You still seem to think it means under age marriage.

Even though you've been told they're not.

Eise vlakas!

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:08pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. THIS TOPIC IS ON FORCED MARRIAGE. NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE WHICH ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. FORCED MARRIAGE IS A ... ... big problem within the Christian right. Indeed. Girls are sometimes forced to marry their rapists. In the US, it's girls as young as 11. Legally.

Dear oh dear.

And Lisa and Hammer condone this sort of thing?

Why?

"Lyndsy Duet, now a school counselor in Texas, told me that she was forced into a marriage at 17 after enduring a series of rapes beginning when she was 14, by a young man her conservative Christian family had taken into the house."

Pecca Breath and Mothra need to be educated.

Arranged Marriages and Dowry


We are all familiar with the story : boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, boy and girl gets married. For the majority of the western world, this is our ideal of a great beginning to a perfect marriage. It is important to realize that while India is very modernized in some aspects (i.e.. they lead the world in student's math and science scores and produce the largest amount of engineers in the world) they still keep to the tradition of arranged marriages. Marriages formed out of love AKA "love marriages" do happen in India but it is not the norm. It is an accepted fact that a person's family will play a role in picking the marriage partner.

While to many people raised in the west, this might sound odd. It is important to remember that in Indian society an arranged marriage is seen as an act of love. Since marriage is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make and because divorce is not accepted among most Indians, it is imperative that the marriage choice is carefully thought out and planned. How can a young person make such an important decision on his/her own? Instead, the family (usually the parents) look for certain traits in a marriage partner. Some desirable traits looked for in both male and female are: matching levels of education, matching cultures, close parental cities, matching religions, and matching vegetarians/non-vegetarians just to name a few.

Potential bride-grooms come under close scrutiny for several areas of the matching process. Do they have enough means to support the bride? Do they appear to be men who will make good husbands and fathers? Often, the bride will live with her in-laws after marriage in what is called a joint family. Because of this, the groom's family is also brought under close scrutiny. Do the women of the household seem well cared for? Do they have a big enough house for another person and grandchildren? Does the family have a good reputation?

Potential brides also come under scrutiny by the boy's parents. Since it is a commonly held belief that brides are the embodiment of that family's honor and pride, the girl must be from good family and have good manners. She should be respectable and have no taint on her name. Does she have the makings of a good wife and mother? Does she want to work after marriage or stay at home? There are so many factors to weigh, that I can not list them all.

Often, this turns into an interview process where photos are provided of the boy/girl in question along with bio-data about his/her life and family. If that meets with approval, arrangements will be made for the parents to meet the boy/girl and their family. Traditionally, however, the bride and groom would not even see each other until the day of their wedding. Today, while most marriages are still arranged, times are changing. There is usually a small courtship period where the bride and groom can meet and talk under the careful watch of a guardian. Also, if either one of the two do not want the marriage, it is likely to be cancelled. Very few family's today "force" marriages upon their children.

Of course, with any society, you have those people who just will not adapt and change. There are places in India where time has not moved forward. For those people, they carry on their lives as their parents have and their grandparents before them. Shockingly, there are still some forced marriages and child brides.

Which brings me to the issue of the dowry system....yes, folks it still exists. Now before you make that grimace of distaste, let me tell you a little about it. The dowry system has been in place since before the written record and it has been used by parents in every country imaginable, including America in older times. The point of the dowry system was to provide for the bride should something unfortunate occur with her husband such as death or divorce. As you can probably imagine, daughters can be extremely expensive offspring. Parents had/have to make a mad scramble to get enough wealth and material goods together to see their daughter well taken care of by the time she is of marriageable age. In Northern India, today this age can vary from 18-25 though exceptions do apply depending on socio-economic factors.

As you can see, the dowry system was something originally honorable in intention and provided for the independent wealth of the bride in a time when she was unlikely to work outside of the home. Like many customs and traditions, time can alter their original meaning and purpose. While the dowry system is still in place, it has become more of a "bride-price" system. The parents of a baby girl must come up with a respectable dowry (the term respectable is arbitrary, respectable dowry can be anything from $50 worth of material goods to $50,000 or more worth of material goods depending on the family's standing in society). If a good dowry is not made, the girl is unlikely to have a "good" match. This again, is mostly arbitrary. A good match for a very poor family might be marriage of their daughter into a slightly better financed family or a good match for a middle income family might be finding a husband that is a doctor or engineer. As you have probably guessed, there are very few brides who actually retain their dowry after marriage.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:07pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. Actually, it's.... Muslims. That's right. Muslims. And all you've achieved today is waste an entire day trolling under various nics spamming every topic you've infected.....with unsubstantiated and off topic dribble. This topic is yet another prime example where you've demonstrated your inability to understand the topic title ie FORCED MARRIAGE. You still seem to think it means under age marriage. Even though you've been told they're not. Eise vlakas!

Nope. The majority are Christians.

Tell me Lisa, do you consider a person under 18 capable of consenting to marriage?

Oh joy. We've hit spam-a-lot.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:07pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. Actually, it's.... Muslims. That's right. Muslims. And all you've achieved today is waste an entire day trolling under various nics spamming every topic you've infected.....with unsubstantiated and off topic dribble. This topic is yet another prime example where you've demonstrated your inability to understand the topic title ie FORCED MARRIAGE. You still seem to think it means under age marriage. Even though you've been told they're not. Eise vlakas! mothra- Nope. The majority are Christians.

Here? rubbish!

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:15pm:

You still seem to think it means under age marriage.

Up!   For Lisa.

"Report: Child And Forced Marriage In U.S. Linked To Religion"

"The extensive report documents the shocking and often hidden reality of child and forced marriage in America.

"While many Americans may believe that child and forced marriage is something that happens to women in desperate third world countries, the fact is many American women and girls are forced or coerced into marriage. 

"The first part of the two-part series examines domestic cases of child and forced marriage, which often involve fundamentalist and isolated Christian sects."

Dear oh dear.

You're not condoning these forced Christian marriages, are you Lisa?

Reasons for it- dowry system and inheritance. Suck on it Pecca Breath.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense.

The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia.

2 completely different things.

He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:18pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:07pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. Actually, it's.... Muslims. That's right. Muslims. And all you've achieved today is waste an entire day trolling under various nics spamming every topic you've infected.....with unsubstantiated and off topic dribble. This topic is yet another prime example where you've demonstrated your inability to understand the topic title ie FORCED MARRIAGE. You still seem to think it means under age marriage. Even though you've been told they're not. Eise vlakas! mothra- Nope. The majority are Christians. Here? rubbish!

Nope. Quite true.



mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 1:02pm:

The analysis of 2011 census data by KPMG Demographics reveals under-age marriage in Australia is not confined to any particular religion or community. The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian and 6 per cent were Muslim. About 30 per cent did not state their religion or identified as no religion. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/underage-marriage-in-remote-areas-rife/news-story/9e65f90153f73789d7d2480c37cff71c

"Lyndsy Duet, now a school counselor in Texas, told me that she was forced into a marriage at 17 after enduring a series of rapes beginning when she was 14, by a young man her conservative Christian family had taken into the house."

Dear oh dear.

Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.

Are you seriously suggesting that a 15 year old can consent to marriage Lisa?

Seriously?

Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders.

She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html


All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is. Are you seriously suggesting that a 15 year old can consent to marriage Lisa? Seriously?

It doesn't bode well for her kids.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:21pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is.

FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER..


NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders. She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave.

"unwitting bride"  So, forced.

"11-year old"  So, paedophilia.

"conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right.

And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay?

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is. FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER.. NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.

They most certainly have.

Unless you think a 15 year old can consent to marriage?

Do you think a 15 year old can consent to marriage, Lisa?

Which brings us to the Opening Post.


Gordon wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

No wonder when we have people like our very own Karnal who allegedly work in the office of child marriage obfuscation. A Sydney teenager’s desperate plea to her school was reportedly ignored by the state's family services department when she told them that her parents were trying to force her into an underage marriage with an older man. But the NSW Department of Family and Community Services contend the matter was being investigated by the federal police and state police. The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services. https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36266887/facs-accused-of-ignoring-sydney-teen-facing-child-marriage/

You know what's disturbing about this article?

1. We all know that Islam AND the parents are behind this BS.

2. No Cth or State govt agency has the balls to competently deal with the matter.

3. A Protestant organisation with limited funding is left to clean up the sordid mess left behind by 1. and 2.

Disgusting!

Forced marriage

Australia

That's the topic.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:29pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm: Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders. She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave. "unwitting bride"  So, forced. "11-year old"  So, paedophilia. "conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right. And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay? Dear oh dear oh dear.

Yes. And her baby's birth certificate confirms that she gave birth when she was 10.

10!

P.
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is. FORGOT TO MENTION HAMMER.. NB No stats re forced marriage in Australia AND Christians doing the forcing have been posted in this topic..yet.

And there are no links either re FORCED MARRIAGE IN AUSTRALIA WITH CHRISTIANS FORCING THEIR KIDS TO MARRY.

You will only find stats re overseas stuff OR under age marriage. Nothing on topic.

Just a heads up for any poor person who has the misfortune of entering this topic!

Lisa, why won't you answer?

Do you actually think a 15 year old can consent to marriage?

Seriously?

Or are you just going to ignore me and bump your own incorrect post. Again.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:35pm:

Lisa, why won't you answer? Do you actually think a 15 year old can consent to marriage? Seriously? Or are you just going to ignore me and bump your own incorrect post. Again.

Muzzos think 15 is an old maid.

Their twisted prophet mullhuttedd, liked the 9 year olds and many muzzos wont touch any older than that.

You seem to harp on anything other than what these disgusting CULT members do.
Continually protecting their sick practices with fake anectodes about something some white or Christian person does.

But there is a vast difference.
To muzzos its acceptable
To others in the HUMAN community, its not.

How do you justify
CULT sanctioned FGM
Or CULT sanctioned pedophelia
Or CULT sanctioned murder of homosexuals
Or CULT sanctioned murder of child rape victims.
Or CULT sanctioned
Or any number of other sick, barbaric and primitive practices carried out by this twisted CULT?

Are you a muzzo plant perhaps?
Are you even a female, or do you just wear a burka?
What is your problem?

I don't believe it. Pecca and Mothra seriously believe there isn't a issue in Australia with Muslims and Indians pushing  ; their  children into forced marriages??? ;D ;D ;D ;D Now it's a Christian issue in Australia?? What rubbish!! ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:29pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm: Johnson, the former 11-year-old unwitting bride who is now fighting for Florida to set a minimum marriage age (there is none now), says that her family attended a conservative Pentecostal church and that other girls of a similar age periodically also married. Often, she says, this was to hide rapes by church elders. She says she was raped by both a minister and a parishioner and gave birth to a daughter when she was just 10 (the birth certificate confirms that). A judge approved the marriage to end the rape investigation, she says, telling her, “What we want is for you to get married.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html All perfectly legal in the land of the free and home of the brave. "unwitting bride"  So, forced. "11-year old"  So, paedophilia. "conservative Pentecostal church"   So, the Christian right. And Lisa and Hammer think this is okay? Dear oh dear oh dear. Yes. And her baby's birth certificate confirms that she gave birth when she was 10. 10!

And Lisa and Hammer have no problem with this, because they're Christians?

Quite disturbing.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender.

Excuse me, I'll have you know Gordon's intact.

Karnal wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:46pm: Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender. Excuse me, I'll have you know Gordon's intact.

Which part of him?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

Pecca Breath and Mothra need to be educated. Arranged Marriages and Dowry We are all familiar with the story : boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, boy and girl gets married. For the majority of the western world, this is our ideal of a great beginning to a perfect marriage. It is important to realize that while India is very modernized in some aspects (i.e.. they lead the world in student's math and science scores and produce the largest amount of engineers in the world) they still keep to the tradition of arranged marriages. Marriages formed out of love AKA "love marriages" do happen in India but it is not the norm. It is an accepted fact that a person's family will play a role in picking the marriage partner. While to many people raised in the west, this might sound odd. It is important to remember that in Indian society an arranged marriage is seen as an act of love. Since marriage is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make and because divorce is not accepted among most Indians, it is imperative that the marriage choice is carefully thought out and planned. How can a young person make such an important decision on his/her own? Instead, the family (usually the parents) look for certain traits in a marriage partner. Some desirable traits looked for in both male and female are: matching levels of education, matching cultures, close parental cities, matching religions, and matching vegetarians/non-vegetarians just to name a few. Potential bride-grooms come under close scrutiny for several areas of the matching process. Do they have enough means to support the bride? Do they appear to be men who will make good husbands and fathers? Often, the bride will live with her in-laws after marriage in what is called a joint family. Because of this, the groom's family is also brought under close scrutiny. Do the women of the household seem well cared for? Do they have a big enough house for another person and grandchildren? Does the family have a good reputation? Potential brides also come under scrutiny by the boy's parents. Since it is a commonly held belief that brides are the embodiment of that family's honor and pride, the girl must be from good family and have good manners. She should be respectable and have no taint on her name. Does she have the makings of a good wife and mother? Does she want to work after marriage or stay at home? There are so many factors to weigh, that I can not list them all. Often, this turns into an interview process where photos are provided of the boy/girl in question along with bio-data about his/her life and family. If that meets with approval, arrangements will be made for the parents to meet the boy/girl and their family. Traditionally, however, the bride and groom would not even see each other until the day of their wedding. Today, while most marriages are still arranged, times are changing. There is usually a small courtship period where the bride and groom can meet and talk under the careful watch of a guardian. Also, if either one of the two do not want the marriage, it is likely to be cancelled. Very few family's today "force" marriages upon their children. Of course, with any society, you have those people who just will not adapt and change. There are places in India where time has not moved forward. For those people, they carry on their lives as their parents have and their grandparents before them. Shockingly, there are still some forced marriages and child brides. Which brings me to the issue of the dowry system....yes, folks it still exists. Now before you make that grimace of distaste, let me tell you a little about it. The dowry system has been in place since before the written record and it has been used by parents in every country imaginable, including America in older times. The point of the dowry system was to provide for the bride should something unfortunate occur with her husband such as death or divorce. As you can probably imagine, daughters can be extremely expensive offspring. Parents had/have to make a mad scramble to get enough wealth and material goods together to see their daughter well taken care of by the time she is of marriageable age. In Northern India, today this age can vary from 18-25 though exceptions do apply depending on socio-economic factors. As you can see, the dowry system was something originally honorable in intention and provided for the independent wealth of the bride in a time when she was unlikely to work outside of the home. Like many customs and traditions, time can alter their original meaning and purpose. While the dowry system is still in place, it has become more of a "bride-price" system. The parents of a baby girl must  to $50,000 or more worth of material goods depending on the family's standing in society). If a good dowry ihave a "good" match. This again, is mostly arbitrary. A good match for  better financed family or a good match for a middle income family might be finding a husband that is a doctor or engineer. As you have probably guessed, there are very few brides who actually retain their dowry after marriage.

Here you go, Gordon. So we're not talking about underage marriages, and we're not talking about forced marriages. We're talking about arranged marriages.

What did your professor say about them?

Before she was charged with fraud, I mean.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:39pm: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:46pm: Caution! We have a bender in process. A full blown bender. Excuse me, I'll have you know Gordon's intact. Which part of him?

The better half.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:08pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:58pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Forced marriage (which is different to under age marriage NB Greggy and co troll buddy were only enlightened about this by me an hour ago)......well surprise surprise...we're talking MUSLIMS. YEP MUSLIMS. THIS TOPIC IS ON FORCED MARRIAGE. NOT UNDER AGE MARRIAGE WHICH ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. FORCED MARRIAGE IS A ... ... big problem within the Christian right. Indeed. Girls are sometimes forced to marry their rapists. In the US, it's girls as young as 11. Legally. Dear oh dear. And Lisa and Hammer condone this sort of thing? Why? "Lyndsy Duet, now a school counselor in Texas, told me that she was forced into a marriage at 17 after enduring a series of rapes beginning when she was 14, by a young man her conservative Christian family had taken into the house."

Now now, Greggery, these are shotgun marriages. Perfectly acceptable.

We're discussing arranged marriages here. Totally different.

For heaven's sake, these people are tinted.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:21pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:55pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:51pm: What sort of parent forces a young girl into marriage with an older man? Australian-born Christians, apparently. "The majority of 15- to 17-year-olds married or in a de facto marriage were born in Australia. Of those who identified as married, 57 per cent identified as Christian ... " What's that piece of crap you downloaded. It doesn't make sense. The nutter has given you bits of stats for Australia.....which is fine as this topic pertains to Australia. BUT the stats he's giving you are in fact on UNDER AGE MARRIAGE NOT FORCED MARRIAGE....in Australia. 2 completely different things. He's once again attempting to blur the details so as to deceive you/make it "appear" that it's not a Muslim issue....which everyone knows that it is. Are you seriously suggesting that a 15 year old can consent to marriage Lisa? Seriously?

Well, why not? We're discussing shotgun marriages, Mother, not those awful tinted arranged ones.

Why can't a 15 year old consent to that?

Seriously.

mothra wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take.

not at all.
the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries.
gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man.

so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up".

if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road).


for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other.
the mediocre man lacks boundaries
the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction.

but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems".

its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet.
but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure.

If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum.

well done gordon.

its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state.

the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example.
i note bobby doesnt bite anymore.
he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;)

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2017 at 4:14pm:

"Report: Child And Forced Marriage In U.S. Linked To Religion" "The extensive report documents the shocking and often hidden reality of child and forced marriage in America. "While many Americans may believe that child and forced marriage is something that happens to women in desperate third world countries, the fact is many American women and girls are forced or coerced into marriage.  "The first part of the two-part series examines domestic cases of child and forced marriage, which often involve fundamentalist and isolated Christian sects." Oh dear. Why do Lisa and Hammer condone this sort of thing?

Up!   For Lisa.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:11am:

mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;)

I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta.

Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 8:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta.

he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power.

"muddy the waters to stir up the fish".

either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning .

the narrow road to success is difficult to climb.
the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down.

when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life.

but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy).

and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff.

everything is bleeding into everything else.

if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:00am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;)

There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults.

This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian.

The superior man reflects on knowledge, which is power.

Fat Steve puts his fingers in his ears and pretends knowledge doesn't exist.

You've got three examples of Fat Steve in this very thread, dear.

The narrow road to success is paved with truth. The superior man never deceives himself by muddying the waters.

This is a beta leftard trait.

Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:00am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;) There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults. This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian. The superior man reflects on knowledge, which is power. Fat Steve puts his fingers in his ears and pretends knowledge doesn't exist. You've got three examples of Fat Steve in this very thread, dear. The narrow road to success is paved with truth. The superior man never deceives himself by muddying the waters. This is a beta leftard trait.

the superior man "doesnt waste significant time on insignificant things".
does it affect my journey whether it is 57 % or not.

unlikely.

the difference between the inferior and the superior is "selective focus",

the inferior man looks at , say donald trump, and he gets butt hurt as hell.
Why?
Getting angry and frustrated is unlikely to create a path.
the superior man looks at, say, Trump and he thinks "what is the lesson here".

for me personally, it is the power of twitter.
i joined that platform and promote 2 businesses thru it and i have been surprised by the result. (certainly a new network of contacts). 

so i can personally thank Mr Trump.

is he a rapist or guilty of incest?
who would be concerned with this , when there is so much learning and climbing to be done by looking at what he did and then copying the bits i like.

selective focus...you can read about this in a book called focus
;).
it has a red light and green light on the front

Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:08am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:00am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;) There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults. This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian. The superior man reflects on knowledge, which is power. Fat Steve puts his fingers in his ears and pretends knowledge doesn't exist. You've got three examples of Fat Steve in this very thread, dear. The narrow road to success is paved with truth. The superior man never deceives himself by muddying the waters. This is a beta leftard trait.

Up!  For Lisa & Homo,

Dear oh dear.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

so i can personally thank Mr Trump. is he a rapist or guilty of incest? who would be concerned with this

The children he allegedly raped and then threatened with physical violence if they told anyone.

That's who would be concerned.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:08am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:00am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;) There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults. This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian. The superior man reflects on knowledge, which is power. Fat Steve puts his fingers in his ears and pretends knowledge doesn't exist. You've got three examples of Fat Steve in this very thread, dear. The narrow road to success is paved with truth. The superior man never deceives himself by muddying the waters. This is a beta leftard trait. the superior man "doesnt waste significant time on insignificant things". does it affect my journey whether it is 57 % or not.

That's the spirit, Aquascoot. I agree.

For some reason, it matters greatly to those in the Durp state.

Moslem == a follower of Islam, dear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:33am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:20am: so i can personally thank Mr Trump. is he a rapist or guilty of incest? who would be concerned with this The children he allegedly raped and then threatened with physical violence if they told anyone. That's who would be concerned.

I'd go one step further and say all women and girls (and their families and those who love them) should be concerned.

Karnal wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:20am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:08am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:00am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:11am: mothra wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm: Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;) There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults. This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian. The superior man reflects on knowledge, which is power. Fat Steve puts his fingers in his ears and pretends knowledge doesn't exist. You've got three examples of Fat Steve in this very thread, dear. The narrow road to success is paved with truth. The superior man never deceives himself by muddying the waters. This is a beta leftard trait. the superior man "doesnt waste significant time on insignificant things". does it affect my journey whether it is 57 % or not. That's the spirit, Aquascoot. I agree. For some reason, it matters greatly to those in the Durp state. Moslem == a follower of Islam, dear.

oh absolutely.

i have been to dubai several times.
i find the aspirational sheiks of the UAE inspirational.
i came back inspired , they are on the narrow road.

but if you are a durrp state muslim from cabramatta who has been fed a lot of negativity, are you more likely be attracted to studying hard at architecture and going to Dubai to hustle it out in a brutally competitive world of alpha males or

are you going to vibe with angry negative youtube clips that "match" your vibe.

its why the superior man always sees it as a duty to "raise the vibration".

stop the laziness
stop following the path of least resistance
stop the addiction to internet gossip and petty BS
stop the victimhood and scarcity mentality
stop the whining and complaining
stop the Karnage  ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:45am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:20am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:08am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 9:00am: Karnal wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 8:53am: [quote author=aquascoot link=1499214611/108#108 date=1499289101][quote author=mothra link=1499214611/59#59 date=1499233983]Horse Boy, that's your funniest post yet. You're taking the piss, aren't you. Go on, confess. It's all just one big piss take. not at all. the superior man has a premium on his time and firm personal boundaries. gordon , if he wants to be a superior man must recognise that the behaviour of yourself and gweg is unhelpful to his emotional state, he must draw a boundary and then do something positive to nurture himself so that his time is not wasted in the emotional "soup" of interacting with the inferior man. so , he goes and lifts his kettle bells, feels stronger, does some work he is passionate about and he "goes up". if he lacks the ability to draw a boundary and ignore mothra and gweg, then he wastes time ( a precious commodity) and he achieves nothing but frustration (a mental state not condusive to climbing the narrow road). for the mediocre man, its fine to just go to and fro on the internet with neither side listening to the other. the mediocre man lacks boundaries the mediocre man just seeks to pleasure himself with that little hit of pleasure every time he provokes a reaction. but the superior man has a direction in life, he has passion for the things he wants to achieve, he has "bigger problems". its not even that the superior man is "mad or angry" at mothra or gweg. i totally get why you do it. its no higher or lower then getting a little hit of pleasure out of a chocalate bar, or watching TV, or reading gossip on the internet. but these little hits of pleasure are the consolation prize for being a failure. If gordon wants to be one of those rare men who are full of joy and expansive energy, then he needs to make sure he doesnt waste time and raise his cortisol and adrenaline by interacting with toxicity on some obscure forum. well done gordon. its intersting to see the literally 100's of posts by id mothra and id gweg trying to sucker people into this lower state. the constant baiting of ID Bobby by gweg is a classic example. i note bobby doesnt bite anymore. he has taken the first steps on the narrow road  ;) I agree, Aquascoot. If Gordon didn't start threads intended to raise cortisol, adrenaline and vitriol he could live peacefully, hold his head high and vibe in his natural state without sneaking away like a cowering beta. he may be applying one of robert greens 46 laws of power. "muddy the waters to stir up the fish". either way, there is no good that comes from the last 5 pages of this thread. there is no learning . the narrow road to success is difficult to climb. the muddy slippery slope to failure is easy to slide down. when we live in a society where people think getting it easy is winning (just look at the threads on raising the pension age as an example)....people view the easy life as the good life. but this then becomes a mindset and we do the easy stuff and we slide down that slope (because its easy). and we post 3 word posts to get a little stimulation because if we tried to read "the memoirs of winston churchill", we couldnt do it. we are addicted to the easy stuff. everything is bleeding into everything else. if you take the easy option to get a little poke or prod. you go down.  thats why theres so many people at the bottom of the pyramid. ;) ;) There is indeed learning, dear. 57% of underage marriages are Christian. The majority of forced marriages in the US are in Christian cults. This thread was started with the premise that Muslims are the source of this problem. What we've learned is the overwhealming majority of cases are Christian. The For some reason, it matters greatly to those in the Durp state. Moslem == a follower of Islam, dear. oh absolutely. i have been to dubai several times. i find the aspirational sheiks of the UAE inspirational. i came back inspired , they are on the narrow road. but if you are a durrp state muslim from cabramatta who has been fed a lot of negativity, are you more likely be attracted to studying hard at architecture and going to Dubai to hustle it out in a brutally competitive world of alpha males or are you going to vibe with angry negative youtube clips that "match" your vibe. its why the superior man always sees it as a duty to "raise the vibration". stop the laziness stop following the path of least resistance stop the addiction to internet gossip and petty BS stop the victimhood and scarcity mentality stop the whining and complaining stop the karnage

Then we agree. However, the superior man frames his terms in the positive:

Start the engagement, start bringing the tribes together, do the work, walk and talk, lead the way, think positive, make love.

Just using these words puts one on the narrow road to success.

Hey Karnal, why does the Salvation Army need a forced marriage specialist?

The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in.

The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services.

Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:03pm:

Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on.

Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please.

Gordon wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please.

Give her a tube of silastic - she'll be fine.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please. Give her a tube of silastic - she'll be fine.

Nah she's old school, prefers a big tub of Vaseline.

Gordon wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please. Give her a tube of silastic - she'll be fine. Nah she's old school, prefers a big tub of Vaseline.

Well, I left mine at Sir Bobby's place.

Just pop down to Bunnings and get some silastic, and I'll pay you back when you come to Perth (or when I'm in Sydney in the next few weeks).

Don't let my poor old Mum get wet.

Gordon wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I bet it was one of those marked down 5 min before closing time as well..gweggy isnt known for his generosity  or at least he would think a half price chook was better than nothing...and mum can fix her own annex he sent her the howtoo details last time it rained..

cods wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I bet it was one of those marked down 5 min before closing time as well..gweggy isnt known for his generosity  or at least he would think a half price chook was better than nothing...and mum can fix her own annex he sent her the how to details last time it rained..

Your point?    :-/

Gordon wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 6:51pm:

Hey Karnal, why does the Salvation Army need a forced marriage specialist? The teenager bravely stepped forward and reported her parents’ threats after they agreed to pay a substantial dowry for a marriage she had no say in. The disturbing case was eventually exposed by Salvation Army’s forced marriage specialist Laura Vidal, who went on to lodge a mandatory report to NSW’s Department of Family and Community Services.

Good question, Gordon. If you remember, I raised this issue in your underage marriage thread.

Back then, you said you had no problem with those sorts of marriages.

Not your fault, of course. You didn't have the important information you have now.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:03pm:

Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on.

Now now, Greggery, who should we believe here? An esteemed professor who specialises in tinted marriage?

Or silly old Karnal?

She's up for fraud and faking her PhD, but don't let that influence your decision.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2017 at 7:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:05pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2017 at 7:03pm: Jesus Christ Gordon, go back to your Balina Hotel room, and put your track dax on. Hey I did what you asked and I dropped a Coles chicken off to your mum at the Balina Big4. She said thanks, but her annex is still leaking, could you come fix it please. Give her a tube of silastic - she'll be fine. Nah she's old school, prefers a big tub of Vaseline. Well, I left mine at Sir Bobby's place. Just pop down to Bunnings and get some silastic, and I'll pay you back when you come to Perth (or when I'm in Sydney in the next few weeks). Don't let my poor old Mum get wet.

Shouldn't you be sharing with Homo? His poor old mum has a dry bag.