its confusing as hell as to why trump won.
i can understand the lefts confusion.
i can understand the media confusion.

What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump.

being butt hurt and complaining isnt helping the left, so i feel it is my duty to educate them about what happened.


The first thing you have to understand is that the mainstream media personality and , indeed, your average Joe Lunchbox is , in 2017, a complete beta male. He is a sheep and he is in very low consciousness.

the media cant complain...they created this guy and their commentators neccessarily have to be like that to vibe with the audience.

so the media and all the fat steves are operating in a pretty mediocre way.

Now trump comes along and interacts with this system.

he goes on mainstream media who are used to shaming politicians (shaming beta males is the narrative), but they just cant shame this guy.

who's going to pay for the wall donald?

mexico

now donald, dont be silly, they say they wont

they will

they say they have no money

they will pay

they cant

they will .


the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck"
the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all


Q  mr trump,  tell us about your tax returns

A  your shows ratings are terrible

Q  your tax returns

A  you are a loser of a journalist

Q  your tax returns sir

A  how does it feel to be a loser at a network with falling ratings.


Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities.

he is  DEFINING THE FRAME.

and when you dominate like this and DEFINE THE FRAME, you , despite what the betas think , become super attractive as a leader to the fat steves and joe lunchboxes out there.

Steve and joe are NOT thinking deeply about things.
they see trump on TV and they see strength
they see a winner, they wake up a bit and they vibe with that.

the election comes.

they think (in their reptilian brain), "if i dont go vote for this dominating champ , who i now feel comfort with because he is a wolf and i am a mother f"ing sheep and i want a wolf to lead my country" then

1  i wont get to see him on tv
2  i wont feel these good emotions (because we absorb emotional states like sponges and trumps emotional state of "i dont give a f*ck" is the emotional state that the sheep is desperately trying to get , in this emotionally uncalibrated world.

the irony for the leftie is that the more you attack trump
the more you try to rattle his cage, the more histrionic you become

THE MORE ATTRACTIVE YOU MAKE HIM TO FAT STEVE  AND JOE LUNCHBOX.

all trump has to do is keep playing with these fools and he wins.

if the left want to beat trump, they are never going to do it by having beta males attack him as he is "anti fragile"

that doesnt mean he is robust.
it is much better then just being robust

that actually means that he is ANTI FRAGILE.

the more you kick him, he doesnt just "not break", he actually becomes stronger.  he actually becomes more robust.

so if you keep attacking, just remember you are one dumb motherf*cker  ;)

I disagree, it's easy to see why Trump won.

On 2 levels.


1/ He won more electorate votes than Hillary did.
     All jokes aside, in America, that is how you win.


2/ He worked his butt off. He worked intelligently, but he worked.
He put in the hard yards. He never stopped.
He put his pedal to the metal.
He did many more speeches than Hillary to many more people per speech.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

I disagree, it's easy to see why Trump won. On 2 levels. 1/ He won more electorate votes than Hillary did.      All jokes aside, in America, that is how you win. 2/ He worked his butt off. He worked intelligently, but he worked. He put in the hard yards. He never stopped. He put his pedal to the metal. He did many more speeches than Hillary to many more people per speech.

i dont know if he got people out to vote for him off the back of "many more speeches".

Leaders have certain characteristics which "prompt" our subconcious mind.
People want a leader to "handle poo" so they can get on with "pleasuring themselves" in peace and comfort.

A leader who is unshakeable is very very attractive.
thats what lefties dont get.
they attack him on some logical level , (ie.  he cant build a wall) but he responds by just giving off an emotional response of "super confidence" and he plays them at the level of emotions. and because the media are beta's , they lose. They inevitably lose, because you cant bring him down. 
Its odd to me that his own party cant seem to see this either and are attempting to "shame" him into stopping the tweets.

his tweets convey "i dont give a f*ck"
and when people see that they see a leader who is not scared and not a hand wringer and is strong.

you attract what you are
by remaining strong , care free and staying in that frame, he is untouchable.

if he starts trying to be more submissive to calm the media, he is screwed.

he has to maintain the frame.
he has burnt the boats, he cannot turn back

and fat steve and joe lunchbox dont want him to turn back anyway . ;)

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:13am:

its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump.

No matter how you spin it, more people voted for Clinton.

3 million more, in fact.

Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 9:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. No matter how you spin it, more people voted for Clinton. 3 million more, in fact. Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate.

You know that the US system is very similar to our system don't you?


You can win the popular vote and still lose the election, which has happened multiple times. So stop carrying on likes its some conspiracy against you to leave this board. You lost fair and square, now fkk off from here.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 9:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:27am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. No matter how you spin it, more people voted for Clinton. 3 million more, in fact. Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. You can win the popular vote and still lose the election, which has happened multiple times.

That's correct.

None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate.

Clinton was far more popular with the voters.

Neither candidate was popular with me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 9:45am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:42am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:27am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. No matter how you spin it, more people voted for Clinton. 3 million more, in fact. Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. You can win the popular vote and still lose the election, which has happened multiple times. That's correct. None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. Clinton was far more popular with the voters. Neither candidate was popular with me.

Pity voting isn't a popularity contest, much the same as the multitude of pointless reality shows on TV, hey?


Most of the people in most of the electorates is how you win elections, not a TV Week phone in.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:13am:

its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. being butt hurt and complaining isnt helping the left, so i feel it is my duty to educate them about what happened. The first thing you have to understand is that the mainstream media personality and , indeed, your average Joe Lunchbox is , in 2017, a complete beta male. He is a sheep and he is in very low consciousness. the media cant complain...they created this guy and their commentators neccessarily have to be like that to vibe with the audience. so the media and all the fat steves are operating in a pretty mediocre way. Now trump comes along and interacts with this system. he goes on mainstream media who are used to shaming politicians (shaming beta males is the narrative), but they just cant shame this guy. who's going to pay for the wall donald? mexico now donald, dont be silly, they say they wont they will they say they have no money they will pay they cant they will . the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck" the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all Q  mr trump,  tell us about your tax returns A  your shows ratings are terrible Q  your tax returns A  you are a loser of a journalist Q  your tax returns sir A  how does it feel to be a loser at a network with falling ratings. Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities. he is  DEFINING THE FRAME.

Trump is defining the frame through deception, dear. The narrow road to success is driven by integrity.

Fat Steve ignored Trump's lies because he said he'd get tough on Mexicans and Muslims. Now that Trump's lies on Obamacare are exposed - he said he'd make it more affordable AND cover more people - Fat Steve will find out that he's worse off under Trump. Trump's les will now count. By the end of this presidency, Fat Steve will be hankering for a president who's honest and up-front.

The narrow road to success is defined by outcomes and achievements. Many aspiring to this path lose their way. Most fail.

Trump will be one of those men.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 9:49am:

Most of the people in most of the electorates is how you win elections, not a TV Week phone in.

Correct.

None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate.

Nobody is saying Trump didn't win the election fair and square.

However, horse-boy is arguing that he won because of his popularity.

He didn't.

Clinton was more popular.

Karnal wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. being butt hurt and complaining isnt helping the left, so i feel it is my duty to educate them about what happened. The first thing you have to understand is that the mainstream media personality and , indeed, your average Joe Lunchbox is , in 2017, a complete beta male. He is a sheep and he is in very low consciousness. the media cant complain...they created this guy and their commentators neccessarily have to be like that to vibe with the audience. so the media and all the fat steves are operating in a pretty mediocre way. Now trump comes along and interacts with this system. he goes on mainstream media who are used to shaming politicians (shaming beta males is the narrative), but they just cant shame this guy. who's going to pay for the wall donald? mexico now donald, dont be silly, they say they wont they will they say they have no money they will pay they cant they will . the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck" the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all Q  mr trump,  tell us about your tax returns A  your shows ratings are terrible Q  your tax returns A  you are a loser of a journalist Q  your tax returns sir A  how does it feel to be a loser at a network with falling ratings. Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities. he is  DEFINING THE FRAME. Trump is defining the frame through deception, dear. The narrow road to success is driven by integrity. Fat Steve ignored Trump's lies because he said he'd get tough on Mexicans and Muslims. Now that Trump's lies on Obamacare are exposed - he said he'd make it more affordable AND cover more people - Fat Steve will find out that he's worse off under Trump. Trump's les will now count. By the end of this presidency, Fat Steve will be hankering for a president who's honest and up-front. The narrow road to success is defined by outcomes and achievements. Many aspiring to this path lose their way. Most fail. Trump will be one of those men.

you are assuming that fat steve and joe lunchbox are going to become "engaged".

i dont see that happening.

but i can tell you what will happen if trump takes the advice of the republicans telling him to stop the tweets and try to soften his image.

he will be destroyed

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:03am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. being butt hurt and complaining isnt helping the left, so i feel it is my duty to educate them about what happened. The first thing you have to understand is that the mainstream media personality and , indeed, your average Joe Lunchbox is , in 2017, a complete beta male. He is a sheep and he is in very low consciousness. the media cant complain...they created this guy and their commentators neccessarily have to be like that to vibe with the audience. so the media and all the fat steves are operating in a pretty mediocre way. Now trump comes along and interacts with this system. he goes on mainstream media who are used to shaming politicians (shaming beta males is the narrative), but they just cant shame this guy. who's going to pay for the wall donald? mexico now donald, dont be silly, they say they wont they will they say they have no money they will pay they cant they will . the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck" the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all Q  mr trump,  tell us about your tax returns A  your shows ratings are terrible Q  your tax returns A  you are a loser of a journalist Q  your tax returns sir A  how does it feel to be a loser at a network with falling ratings. Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities. he is  DEFINING THE FRAME. Trump is defining the frame through deception, dear. The narrow road to success is driven by integrity. Fat Steve ignored Trump's lies because he said he'd get tough on Mexicans and Muslims. Now that Trump's lies on Obamacare are exposed - he said he'd make it more affordable AND cover more people - Fat Steve will find out that he's worse off under Trump. Trump's les will now count. By the end of this presidency, Fat Steve will be hankering for a president who's honest and up-front. The narrow road to success is defined by outcomes and achievements. Many aspiring to this path lose their way. Most fail. Trump will be one of those men. you are assuming that fat steve and joe lunchbox are going to become "engaged". i dont see that happening.

It's happened already. Trump's disapproval rating is sitting around 65%, and growing.

Once people's friends and relatives are denied health care, they will indeed blame Trump - even if the Obamacare reforms stall in the senate and Obamacare remains in place.

Trump is now in charge. The buck, as president Eisenhower said, stops with him. He can't cover up ineptitude in government. Fat Steve and Joe Lunchbox see right through this.

While they not be engaged enough to vote, they define the narrative. Trump can no longer play the anti-politician. The only way for Trump to survive on the narrow road to success is to improve things, as he said he would do.

Trump has had no success with this yet, dear.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 10:09am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:49am: Most of the people in most of the electorates is how you win elections, not a TV Week phone in. Correct. None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. Nobody is saying Trump didn't win the election fair and square. However, horse-boy is arguing that he won because of his popularity. He didn't. Clinton was more popular.

Correct, none of which is relevant to the electing the president of the USA.


Now if trump was in the running for a Gold Logie, you would have a complaint to lodge here, but this is the real world isn't it?



What is of a more serious concern is the fact you are still here posting.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:09am: BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:49am: Most of the people in most of the electorates is how you win elections, not a TV Week phone in. Correct. None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. Nobody is saying Trump didn't win the election fair and square. However, horse-boy is arguing that he won because of his popularity. He didn't. Clinton was more popular. Correct, none of which is relevant to the electing the president of the USA. Now if trump was in the running for a Gold Logie, you would have a complaint to lodge here, but this is the real world isn't it? What is of a more serious concern is the fact you are still here posting.

It's got nothing to do with complaining.

The point is that horse-boy is arguing that Trump won because of his popularity.

He didn't.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 11:44am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 11:38am: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:09am: BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 9:49am: Most of the people in most of the electorates is how you win elections, not a TV Week phone in. Correct. None of which changes the fact that Trump won because of the electoral college system - not because he was the most popular candidate. Nobody is saying Trump didn't win the election fair and square. However, horse-boy is arguing that he won because of his popularity. He didn't. Clinton was more popular. Correct, none of which is relevant to the electing the president of the USA. Now if trump was in the running for a Gold Logie, you would have a complaint to lodge here, but this is the real world isn't it? What is of a more serious concern is the fact you are still here posting. It's got nothing to do with complaining. The point is that horse-boy is arguing that Trump won because of his popularity. He didn't.

Then what he is saying is also irrelevant and has nothing to do with the electoral process.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

I disagree, it's easy to see why Trump won. On 2 levels. 1/ He won more electorate votes than Hillary did.      All jokes aside, in America, that is how you win. 2/ He worked his butt off. He worked intelligently, but he worked. He put in the hard yards. He never stopped. He put his pedal to the metal. He did many more speeches than Hillary to many more people per speech.

Another way to look at it is:

1. Trump won because America is not a Democracy, a Democracy where 50% + 1 = victory. 

2. Trump won because America is not a "Mobocracy" .... See #1

3. Trump won because America is a Republic.....a Constitutional Republic, where laws protect the minority from the majority, where the People are protected from the majority will of the People via the Rule of Law over popularity. ;)

panther


Quote:

..............With nearly all votes counted, Trump had clinched 304 electoral votes to Clinton's 224, according to an Associated Press tally of the voting by 538 electors across the country.........

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/trump-formally-wins-presidency/8134366

that is WAY over 50%

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 1:10pm:

panther Quote: ..............With nearly all votes counted, Trump had clinched 304 electoral votes to Clinton's 224, according to an Associated Press tally of the voting by 538 electors across the country......... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/trump-formally-wins-presidency/8134366 that is WAY over 50%

Indeed.

He didn't win the election based on his popularity, though.

Far from it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:10pm: panther Quote: ..............With nearly all votes counted, Trump had clinched 304 electoral votes to Clinton's 224, according to an Associated Press tally of the voting by 538 electors across the country......... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/trump-formally-wins-presidency/8134366 that is WAY over 50% Indeed. He didn't win the election based on his popularity, though. Far from it.

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aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:23pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:10pm: panther Quote: ..............With nearly all votes counted, Trump had clinched 304 electoral votes to Clinton's 224, according to an Associated Press tally of the voting by 538 electors across the country......... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/trump-formally-wins-presidency/8134366 that is WAY over 50% Indeed. He didn't win the election based on his popularity, though. Far from it.

That's not in dispute.

You claim he won because of his popularity.

He didn't.

Panther wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 1:00pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:48am: I disagree, it's easy to see why Trump won. On 2 levels. 1/ He won more electorate votes than Hillary did.      All jokes aside, in America, that is how you win. 2/ He worked his butt off. He worked intelligently, but he worked. He put in the hard yards. He never stopped. He put his pedal to the metal. He did many more speeches than Hillary to many more people per speech. Another way to look at it is: 1. Trump won because America is not a Democracy, a Democracy where 50% + 1 = victory.  2. Trump won because America is not a "Mobocracy" .... See #1 3. Trump won because America is a Republic.....a Constitutional Republic, where laws protect the minority from the majority, where the People are protected from the majority will of the People via the Rule of Law over popularity. ;)

still claiming that USA is not a democracy, Pancake?

idiot

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:23pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 1:10pm: panther Quote: ..............With nearly all votes counted, Trump had clinched 304 electoral votes to Clinton's 224, according to an Associated Press tally of the voting by 538 electors across the country......... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/trump-formally-wins-presidency/8134366 that is WAY over 50% Indeed. He didn't win the election based on his popularity, though. Far from it.

what a pointless graphic. From a person whose every posts 'drips' in pointlessness.

another thought occured to me about trump.

i was with a car salesman and i thought "this guy is a bit slick, but , by god, he understands human psychology."
why is that?

i think it is because the salesman gets almost instant feedback on every interaction he enters into.
he gets to see the result in real time.
he becomes super aware and socially intelligent or he starves.
a salesman, probably knows how to push buttons, how to stroke egos, how to dominate and manipulate.  he probably knows exactly what he is doing and he is now operating at a paradigm of mastery with his ability to understand others.


what better skill to take to a presidential campaign, then the millions of hours of brutal training from the sales office.

is it any wonder that trump won.
it was almost inevitable.

he has so much more knowledge and street smarts , based on this constant feedback, then a democrat who lives "stuck in his own head".

its why , in this world, it is important to be in touch with reality.
another word for reality is "the marketplace".

lefties should really all go run a business to sharpen their skills. it will be much more productive then just remaining stuck in their own mental masturbation

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

I disagree, it's easy to see why Trump won. On 2 levels. 1/ He won more electorate votes than Hillary did.      All jokes aside, in America, that is how you win. 2/ He worked his butt off. He worked intelligently, but he worked. He put in the hard yards. He never stopped. He put his pedal to the metal. He did many more speeches than Hillary to many more people per speech.

Can not help but consider the impact that the Russians had in his support or what all the phone calls to Trump Tower from the Russians were about.

There was a huge impact on the election caused by all the anti Hillary fake news.

Then there is the fact that the FBI investigation being improperly re opened 11 days before the vote which changed the result of the election.

Karnal wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck" the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities. he is  DEFINING THE FRAME. Trump is defining the frame through deception, dear. The narrow road to success is driven by integrity. Fat Steve ignored Trump's lies because he said he'd get tough on Mexicans and Muslims. Now that Trump's lies on Obamacare are exposed - he said he'd make it more affordable AND cover more people - Fat Steve will find out that he's worse off under Trump. Trump's les will now count. By the end of this presidency, Fat Steve will be hankering for a president who's honest and up-front. The narrow road to success is defined by outcomes and achievements. Many aspiring to this path lose their way. Most fail. Trump will be one of those men.

Aqua, you are describing the malignant narcissism of a man who is both rich enough and too old to care what the consequences of his political incompetence may be... Yes, narcissism masquerades as confidence and competence, but its manifestation is proportional to the sufferer's sense of inner doubt and terror of his inability (from which, at the 3AM of his soul, he knows he suffers)... i.e. the more the cockiness, the greater the inner turmoil.

Karnal, of course, is right... As with the ancient truism by which we all instinctively judge our leaders, 'You will know them by their deeds' will ultimately expose Trump's fundamental incompetence... What would you do to your 'alpha male horse' if he proved incapable of siring offspring?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 9:39am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 10:03am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. i can understand the lefts confusion. i can understand the media confusion. What on earth led people to vote for a guy like trump. the guy just clearly "does not give a f*ck" the guy just clearly is so cocky and so unshakeable that they cannot shame him and they cannot dominate him at all Trump is just exhibiting super alpha qualities. he is  DEFINING THE FRAME. Trump is defining the frame through deception, dear. The narrow road to success is driven by integrity. Fat Steve ignored Trump's lies because he said he'd get tough on Mexicans and Muslims. Now that Trump's lies on Obamacare are exposed - he said he'd make it more affordable AND cover more people - Fat Steve will find out that he's worse off under Trump. Trump's les will now count. By the end of this presidency, Fat Steve will be hankering for a president who's honest and up-front. The narrow road to success is defined by outcomes and achievements. Many aspiring to this path lose their way. Most fail. Trump will be one of those men. Aqua, you are describing the malignant narcissism of a man who is both rich enough and too old to care what the consequences of his political incompetence may be... Yes, narcissism masquerades as confidence and competence, but its manifestation is proportional to the sufferer's sense of inner doubt and terror of his inability (from which, at the 3AM of his soul, he knows he suffers)... i.e. the more the cockiness, the greater the inner turmoil. Karnal, of course, is right... As with the ancient truism by which we all instinctively judge our leaders, 'You will know them by their deeds' will ultimately expose Trump's fundamental incompetence... What would you do to your 'alpha male horse' if he proved incapable of siring offspring?

We all have "inner doubt" - those of us who are sane at least. I would say from your mantra "conviction is the art of being certain" that you have more than most. Yes?

As I assume Trump has but what he also has is commitment to what he promised to the people and conviction based on his experience as a businessman that he can do it.

The fact that the corrupt media hates Trump so much should tell you something - he is a threat. Whoever has the superior economic muscle in the US - rules. They can and do put pressure on these media outlets. Trump can break up their rackets and many may end up in jail. Therefore they are panicked. Am I making sense to you?

The average Joe has absolutely no idea of what's going on. He is blind and gagged only knows what the media wants him to believe.

rich,

i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice.
the media will smell blood and go feral.

he must "hold his frame"

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame"

Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage.

Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage.

Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback.

This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US.

Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own.

The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

Richdude wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:43am:

We all have "inner doubt" - those of us who are sane at least. I would say from your mantra "conviction is the art of being certain" that you have more than most. Yes?

I don't know if I have more or less than most... But I believe that doubt is the abyss that separates us all from claiming to know truth... It is the primary reason we humans invent gods (imaginary beings who know, or in the ancient proto-atheistic sense, Plato's 'Philosopher King' - the one who knows).


Richdude wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 4:43am:

The average Joe has absolutely no idea of what's going on. He is blind and gagged only knows what the media wants him to believe.

Are you not also an average Joe?

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

trump would undoubtedly be receiving commentary like this all the time.
but if he lets this infect his brain, he "loses state".
when you have a "state crash" and start to question your own awesomeness, you go into a psychological tailspin.
then the mob will really get out the pitchforks and he will be totally screwed.

what i am saying Karnal , is that you may well be right and it may well pan out like this if trump is , indeed, a counterfeit "superior man".

but if Churchill had read all the doom sayers in 1941
if gandhi or mandella  had let themselves have a state crash and had just become complaint little pussies, then would this have helped their cause?

trump has to soldier on like churchill in 1941. if he blinks, its all over for him.  the die is cast. he has crossed the rubicon, he has burnt the boats. the left are correct in a bemusing way to call him hitler, because i think he will soon call for total war and head to the fuhrer bunker  ;)

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

Nailed it   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7^th, 2017 at 7:13am:

its confusing as hell as to why trump won.

No it's not. It's the easiest thing in the world to understand. Trump won because people were sick of the status quo. They din't care what they got, as long as they got something different. They didn't care that he was racist, a bigot, a pig, a liar or a cheat, they could overlook all that as long as he could 'clean out the swamp'.

The real problem the American public has is that he isn't so different after all, he's part of the very swamp the public want cleaned out. The public failed to recognise that the swamp isn't just full of corrupt politicians, it's also full of self interest lobby groups, and there are none with  more of a self interest than Trump.

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:54am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:13am: its confusing as hell as to why trump won. The public failed to recognise that the swamp isn't just full of corrupt politicians, it's also full of self interest lobby groups, and there are none with  more of a self interest than Trump.

A fact he publicly trumpeted during his campaign... Naturally (being American) without even hint of awareness of its irony.

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 8:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump.

That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers......

The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save.....

All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus.

Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;)

Panther wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers...... The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save..... All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus. Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;)

Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

aquascoot wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 9:28am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. trump would undoubtedly be receiving commentary like this all the time. but if he lets this infect his brain, he "loses state". when you have a "state crash" and start to question your own awesomeness, you go into a psychological tailspin. then the mob will really get out the pitchforks and he will be totally screwed. what i am saying Karnal , is that you may well be right and it may well pan out like this if trump is , indeed, a counterfeit "superior man". but if Churchill had read all the doom sayers in 1941 if gandhi or mandella  had let themselves have a state crash and had just become complaint little pussies, then would this have helped their cause? trump has to soldier on like churchill in 1941. if he blinks, its all over for him.  the die is cast. he has crossed the rubicon, he has burnt the boats. the left are correct in a bemusing way to call him hitler, because i think he will soon call for total war and head to the fuhrer bunker  ;)

It's already over, Aquascoot. Mr Trump can't lead the world. He just gave up.

Some here are excusing this, saying Mr Trump doesn't want to lead the world, he just wants people reading his tweets or buying his T shirts or something.

This is giving in. If Mr Trump won't - or can't - directly influence the world as its anointed leader, he needs to get out of the way. Shoving his way to the front of photo ops is not going to cut it if world leaders avoid him or make excuses for his absence. This is what you do with betas.

Trump can't even compete with Merkel. How could he possibly outwit Putin or Xi Jinping?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers...... The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save..... All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus. Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;) Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism....If you mean let the Parasitical World mend their own fences, & seek resolution to their own worries.....all without the guiding hand, strength, & deep pockets of Uncle Sam.....more power to Isolationism! That's exactly what the Leftist World has been crying for for the last 70 years...No?...Now they will have it......  ;)

Someone once said..."Let them eat cake".....  http://onesmiley.site11.com/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:58pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers...... The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save..... All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus. Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;) Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's?

Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 12:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:58pm: Panther wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers...... The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save..... All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus. Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;) Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's? Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that.

Slight change... Up until WW1 they were considered just a great big country with a second-rate military. Woodrow Wilson was hailed almost as a 'messiah' (in the deepest sense of the word) by the Allies in Europe in 1918...

“the world [must] be made fit and safe to live in; and particularly that it be made safe for every peace-loving nation which, like our own, wishes to live its own life, determine its own institutions, be assured of justice and fair dealing by the other peoples of the world as against force and selfish aggression.”

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 12:54pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:58pm: Panther wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:49am: aquascoot wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:48am: rich, i cant comment on the media except to say that Trump has nothing to gain by changing course and playing nice. the media will smell blood and go feral. he must "hold his frame" Ever see an alpha get owned, dear? We've all seen bullies brought down. Seeing this is one of our biggest pleasures. It's why comedy and tragedy was invented - to let the masses see their oppressors brought down - on stage. Trump is now coming down. His body language during the G19 was pitiful to watch. The US no longer has someone in the driver's seat, standing up for their interests. The western world no longer has the US centre-stage. Trump has been bested by Merkel. The filly in red has taken over as global pack leader. Trump just looks lost. He has, like all exposed bullies, no comeback. This is not a media hoax, it's real. Trump has let his side down, and remember, global negotiating was meant to be his strength. He was going to reach out to the world to get the best deal for the US. Trump has all but given up, which is what the fallen alpha does. This horse isolates from the pack and goes rogue. If he returns, even the fillies go for him. Trump is now in this position. He's on his own. The US is no longer the leader of the free world, and this is all thanks to Trump. That might be the best outcome of all this......He may have gotten the very best deal for the US & the American Taxpayers...... The US not having to be the Leader of the Free World.... Look at all the money that will save..... All the Foreign Aid that will never need to be spent......all the money saved not having to protect the interests of all those who used to reap billions in US Aid, who decried his decision to drop kick the Paris Agreement by delegating the USA to the back of the bus. Pure Genius? ...... time will tell.... ;) Who, in the American-speaking world would want this? Back to US isolationism? What do you think encouraged certain Germans during the 30's? Isolationism will bring USA only trouble. Its engagement in the world is what made it 'great'; in the first place. Up until WW2 they were just a great big country with a second-rate military. Now Trump wants to go back to that. Slight change... Up until WW1 they were considered just a great big country with a second-rate military. Woodrow Wilson was hailed almost as a 'messiah' (in the deepest sense of the word) by the Allies in Europe in 1918... “the world [must] be made fit and safe to live in; and particularly that it be made safe for every peace-loving nation which, like our own, wishes to live its own life, determine its own institutions, be assured of justice and fair dealing by the other peoples of the world as against force and selfish aggression.”

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance.

USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well...

The  American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933.

Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 4:38pm: USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance. USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well... The  American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933. Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

Drawing parallels to Hitlers Germany is an overworked and erroneous theme attempting to frighten the public.

It wasn't isolationism that caused WW2 - it was expansionism. Hitler absorbed Austria the Czechoslovakia then Poland. That is a country that is expanding its borders.

The next World War (God forbid) will not be fought with aircraft carriers or tanks. It will be ICBM's launched mostly from the US mainland.

Who cares if the US is no longer the no1 World power.
The oil backed USD is finished anyway and that will mean greater freedom for the US to look after its own interests - instead of doing the dirty work as puppets of international banksters.

 

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 4:38pm: USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance. USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well... The  American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933. Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US?

why would they invade it when they can buy it.
the suburbs around me are now sold at nearly 70 % thru auction because that is the chinese preferred option.
the chinese kiddies hit the library and have capitalist parents who are very aspirational for their kids,whilst the aussie kiddies work at fast food joints and have fat steve and his fat wife for parents. all they see is whining , complaining, wanting to "take" and just trying to "cope". just trying to cope with this harsh world.

the level of laziness and apathy amongst aussies is SO CRAZY, that the chinese dont even need to bring their A game to compete. they only need to turn up and the aussies hand over all their assets.

because heres the fundamental truth.

if you are a taker and you live in scarcity (the modern mindset of fat steve and his fat wife), the universe will give you nothing.

the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

if the chinese want australia, they just need to turn up with the right personal philosophy and the universe will turn it over to them.  the ONLY WAY to stop this is for fat steve, his fat wife and his fat kids to start walking the "narrow road to sucess"  this will never happen. ;)

Richdude wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 1:06am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 4:38pm: USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance. USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well... The  American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933. Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US? Drawing parallels to Hitlers Germany is an overworked and erroneous theme attempting to frighten the public. It wasn't isolationism that caused WW2 - it was expansionism. Hitler absorbed Austria the Czechoslovakia then Poland. That is a country that is expanding its borders.

Hitler's expanding of German borders was a test on the will of the Allies... Marching into the Rhineland, marching into Czechoslovakia were provocations to the Allies... invading Poland may have been a bridge too far for the western Europeans but none of this would have been as inevitable if the US and the Allies stared Hitler down between 1933 and 1939...

Of course isolationism didn't cause the war... That's not the point... Isolationism left the proved power of the US off the battlefield until just on the dawn of 1942...

aquascoot wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 8:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 8:27pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11th, 2017 at 4:38pm: USA took a long time to enter WW2 and essentially, not until they were attacked. They were still isolationist in substance. USA took a long time to enter WW1 as well... The  American people became vehemently isolationist after the horrors of WW1... Not so Roosevelt but he was hobbled by a Congress that wanted nothing to do with European affairs after WW1... A big mistake and a tragedy for the world... The Holocaust would likely never have happened had the USA stood with the European Allies against Hitler when appeasement was all free Europe could do to avoid another mass WW1-style slaughter... With the US out of the picture in 1939, it came anyway and, ultimately, the Americans were forced into it and at a cost much greater than had they been with Europe militarily from 1933. Who will stop the Chinese from claiming the western and south Pacific for itself without the US? why would they invade it when they can buy it.

Expansion into the South China Sea?