Agnes was under a ban.  She said so in public.  During the ban period, she posted using a sock of hers......and this was detected by a GMod about 8.00 pm last night. 

But, Agnes logged in a couple of hours ago tonight.

That means her original ban was extended by a very, very short period, if at all.

I understood the ramifications were much worse.  I thought:

Say 'Aussie' was naughty and had been given a seven day ban.  If during those seven days, 'he' logged in as "Mod," then from that moment....the ban would have been 14 more days locked out.

Vic, can you explain that?

More mod bashing planned I see aussie.

Why don't you just setup your own forum. Go there and run it as you see fit.

Everyday there is a new drama that you have to dig up in a vendetta again someone or another.

It is just toxic.

What the mods do with any individual is between the mod and that person. It has nothing to do with you and you have no rights in this regard. Your desire to see those you don't like or have a current issue with suffer some form of sanction here is just childish.

Super Nova wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 12:12am:

More mod bashing planned I see aussie. Why don't you just setup your own forum. Go there and run it as you see fit. Everyday there is a new drama that you have to dig up in a vendetta again someone or another. It is just toxic. What the mods do with any individual is between the mod and that person. It has nothing to do with you and you have no rights in this regard. Your desire to see those you don't like or have a current issue with suffer some form of sanction here is just childish.

Not at all Super Nova.  I am simply trying to understand how the Rules are applied.

That is what this Thread is about.  Just a simple request for clarification so everyone is well aware of outcomes.

Now, please cease drama queening everything I post into something it is not.

I do hope you can manage that.  I know you can, with some genuine good will and actually letting go of old self inflicted wounds you allow to fester.

Cheers.

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 12:25am:

Super Nova wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 12:12am: More mod bashing planned I see aussie. Why don't you just setup your own forum. Go there and run it as you see fit. Everyday there is a new drama that you have to dig up in a vendetta again someone or another. It is just toxic. What the mods do with any individual is between the mod and that person. It has nothing to do with you and you have no rights in this regard. Your desire to see those you don't like or have a current issue with suffer some form of sanction here is just childish. Not at all Super Nova.  I am simply trying to understand how the Rules are applied. That is what this Thread is about.  Just a simple request for clarification so everyone is well aware of outcomes. Now, please cease drama queening everything I post into something it is not. I do hope you can manage that.  I know you can, with some genuine good will and actually letting go of old self inflicted wounds you allow to fester. Cheers.

That's easy, if she breached a forum wide ban she would have had her ban lengthened. It does not apply here. She got a short forum wide ban for ignoring the sub-forum ban.

Oh I see.

So a Mod's ban is not as 'important' as a GMod's ban.  It's a pecking order thing.

I get it.

>:(

Setanta, she did not ignore it.  She acted quite deliberately in acknowledgement and defiance of it, deliberately using a sock.

So, if I post at The Tavern in defiance of her ban of me there, all I get is a 24 hour forum wide ban?  Yes.

I really think sometimes Aussie you need to get a life!  ::) ::)

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I really think sometimes Aussie you need to get a life!  ::) ::)

Thanks for that.  You really have no idea about my life Mr Neck, so feel entirely free to comment on it.  I'll feel quite free to disregard that sort of play school, rubbish and hackneyed www comment.

Cheers.

Super Nova wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 12:12am:

More mod bashing planned I see aussie. Why don't you just setup your own forum. Go there and run it as you see fit. Everyday there is a new drama that you have to dig up in a vendetta again someone or another. It is just toxic. What the mods do with any individual is between the mod and that person. It has nothing to do with you and you have no rights in this regard. Your desire to see those you don't like or have a current issue with suffer some form of sanction here is just childish.

Stupor Nova started life as a snot-nosed, whiney, blitheringly dumb, brat.

He's now a geriatric. Nothing has changed, except his age.

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:16pm:

Oh I see. So a Mod's ban is not as 'important' as a GMod's ban.  It's a pecking order thing. I get it. >:( Setanta, she did not ignore it.  She acted quite deliberately in acknowledgement and defiance of it, deliberately using a sock. So, if I post at The Tavern in defiance of her ban of me there, all I get is a 24 hour forum wide ban?  Yes.

Probably, it's what I have given others for breaching her ban. It will be extended with each further breach though.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:27pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 5:16pm: Oh I see. So a Mod's ban is not as 'important' as a GMod's ban.  It's a pecking order thing. I get it. >:( Setanta, she did not ignore it.  She acted quite deliberately in acknowledgement and defiance of it, deliberately using a sock. So, if I post at The Tavern in defiance of her ban of me there, all I get is a 24 hour forum wide ban?  Yes. Probably, it's what I have given others for breaching her ban. It will be extended with each further breach though.

Okay, then why hasn't her ban been extended.  She has priors for exactly the same thing.

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:19pm:

I really think sometimes Aussie you need to get a life!  ::) ::)

No question.

Hey ozzi, why not start another thread about your ban.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 5:19pm: I really think sometimes Aussie you need to get a life!  ::) ::) No question.

Thanks for that.  You really have no idea about my life Mr Hicks, so feel entirely free to comment on it.  I'll feel quite free to disregard that sort of play school, rubbish and hackneyed www comment.

In your case, Mr Hicks, I will add....I have a very short fuse for occasional fly in GMods arriving from long absence to toss their pearls of wisdom turds of ignorance around.  Belay that sort of childish conduct, please.

Cheers.

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 5:27pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 5:16pm: Oh I see. So a Mod's ban is not as 'important' as a GMod's ban.  It's a pecking order thing. I get it. >:( Setanta, she did not ignore it.  She acted quite deliberately in acknowledgement and defiance of it, deliberately using a sock. So, if I post at The Tavern in defiance of her ban of me there, all I get is a 24 hour forum wide ban?  Yes. Probably, it's what I have given others for breaching her ban. It will be extended with each further breach though. Okay, then why hasn't her ban been extended.  She has priors for exactly the same thing.

I'm not going to dig up the past. It's per ban. You allow her back and it's year zero again. That would make sense don't you think seeing as we do not keep "criminal records" on members?

I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept?

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept?

Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?'  How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum?

:-/

Mod. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:11pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:07pm: I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept? Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?'  How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum? :-/

Memory if it is recent?

We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:14pm:

Mod. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:11pm: Mod. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:07pm: I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept? Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?'  How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum? :-/ Memory if it is recent? We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

Come on.  My happiness has SFA to do with it.  All Members ask for is consistency, nothing more.

Surely that is only fair to everyone?

:-[

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:14pm: Mod. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:11pm: [quote author=Mod. link=1499521907/14#14 date=1499602060]I thought there was a GMod Forum where these records were kept? Further, how is that I am told by Vic that if I 'do it again, it will be a week?'  How will he know, if there is no record in that GMod Forum? :-/ Memory if it is recent? We have forum, yes, it is not searchable and I'm not going to read 20 years of shyte just to make you happy.

Come on.  My happiness has SFA to do with it.  All Members ask for is consistency, nothing more.

Surely that is only fair to everyone?

:-[/quote]

We don't have pow wows(courts) about members infractions, impossible, we are not all on at the same time. We are not a government organisation with a database of members transgressions. We work with what we have. You will find consistency within a mods decisions but probably not between them. There's nothing to be done for that and you should learn to accept it. Continually crying about it will get you nowhere and only serves to undermine what we have, as flawed as it is.

I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:42pm:

I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt.

Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105

Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe.

I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by.

I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules.

I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:46pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105 Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe. I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by. I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules. I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin.

No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour.

We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely.  You agree?

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely.  You agree?

Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line.

You should get over it.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:46pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105 Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe. I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by. I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules. I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin. No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour. We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides".

Like me?

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:07pm: Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely.  You agree? Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line. You should get over it.

You keep thinking it is just about me.  It never is.  I am always an issues driven person.  I have nothing to 'get over,' and trying that subjective dismissive approach fails to address the problem.

We ought have a set of Rules the GMods enforce, or we have moderation based on the 'sensibility' of the GMods and no Rules.

Cops don't get to arrest based on what they reckon is 'sensible.'

Bobby. wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:04pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:46pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105 Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe. I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by. I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules. I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin. No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour. We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides". Like me?

You weren't on my list Bobby, sorry. :'(

Aussie wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:07pm: Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely.  You agree? Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line. You should get over it. You keep thinking it is just about me.  It never is.  I am always an issues driven person.  I have nothing to 'get over,' and trying that subjective dismissive approach fails to address the problem. We ought have a set of Rules the GMods enforce, or we have moderation based on the 'sensibility' of the GMods and no Rules. Cops don't get to arrest based on what they reckon is 'sensible.'

Ozpol is not a state, it's private property. You'll either get a very sore head or beat your brains out, give it up.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:32pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:04pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:46pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105 Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe. I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by. I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules. I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin. No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour. We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides". Like me? You weren't on my list Bobby, sorry. :'(

I'd love to see that list.  Then again, I don't want to. 

Why anyone would take it on to fly totally blind without proper guidelines and Leadership direction is way beyond me.

That is why I'd never ever ever take the job here and probably why there is such an appalling GMod attrition rate.

We lose the better ones, like you and Muso.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:37pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:30pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:07pm: Okay, then let's do without those Forum Rules entirely.  You agree? Surely they can be used as a guide at least for those that just can't draw their own line or don't have a line. You should get over it. You keep thinking it is just about me.  It never is.  I am always an issues driven person.  I have nothing to 'get over,' and trying that subjective dismissive approach fails to address the problem. We ought have a set of Rules the GMods enforce, or we have moderation based on the 'sensibility' of the GMods and no Rules. Cops don't get to arrest based on what they reckon is 'sensible.' Ozpol is not a state, it's private property. You'll either get a very sore head or beat your brains out, give it up.

True, and the ultimate loser will be the owner of the private property as the tenants slowly move out.

I don't want that to happen.

Setanta wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 11:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:32pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 11:04pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Setanta wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:46pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 9th, 2017 at 10:42pm: I understand and accept your point.  But, you guys are at the blunt end of ad hoc delivery.  Members are at the very sharp end of quite specific receipt. Then draw your own lines knowing the reality you are here under and don't have them drawn for you. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1492387114/105#105 Ya see, there is the problem.  Nowhere in those Rules which Members sign up for is there anything about what you describe. I'd agree with you 100% if those Rules vanished.  But, they exist and that is what Members agree to abide by. I'm quite happy to see moderation at the absolute whim of sensible people (see the Rules for Member Run Boards) and accept the outcome will be Member exodus of the entire Forum if someone like I am (falsely) described became an Umpire unfettered by Rules. I do see your point, but that is a two sided coin. No-one reads them but pedants looking for an out. Draw your lines on your own behaviour. We are in effect unfettered, perhaps that is why FD is careful in appointing them. I've given my views on who I should be replaced with. Sensible people who don't have an axe to grind on personality or "sides". Like me? You weren't on my list Bobby, sorry. :'(

Oh well -
There are plenty of other people here who have an axe to grind.