The European Court of Human Rights has upheld Belgium's law banning the full face veil in public.

It has said in short that wearing face veils is not compatible with democracy.

Can it be that some semblance of sanity is returning to Europe?
Now, is there such a court in this country with similar vision and courage.

Good.

When will they ban that cult ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 8:04am:

Good. When will they ban that cult ?

When they abandon their constitutions, Sprint.

In the fullness of time.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 6:54am:

The European Court of Human Rights has upheld Belgium's law banning the full face veil in public. It has said in short that wearing face veils is not compatible with democracy. Can it be that some semblance of sanity is returning to Europe? Now, is there such a court in this country with similar vision and courage.

No it did not.  Democracy was never mentioned.

Link.

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 8:04am: Good. When will they ban that cult ? When they abandon their constitutions, Sprint. In the fullness of time.

Well, Europeans are good at that.
Apart from the Benelux states, Denmark and Norway, Australia's constitution is olden than any of the written European constitutions.

Whatsamatter Karnage?
You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you?
I'm sure your good friend Mothra does.

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does.

And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it?

I think the European Court's decision to uphold the ban had less to do with 'democracy' than it did with the concern that any decision to overturn the ruling would only seek to cement anti-EU sentiments in Belgium.....

they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women....

I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :(

Auggie wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

I think the European Court's decision to uphold the ban had less to do with 'democracy' than it did with the concern that any decision to overturn the ruling would only seek to cement anti-EU sentiments in Belgium.....

So European Court are not independent from the EU Commissions and their political interests?? Ie there is no proper separation of powers in the EU?

Brexit IS the answer then.

Aussie wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it?

Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion.

Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on.

People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them.

cods wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 11:34pm:

they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women.... I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :(

yes , all muslims should go live in those countries.

It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing.

Gotta laugh    ;D

cods wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 11:34pm:

they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women.... I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :(

I see.  So only those you like are allowed the freedom to dress as they please.  How very democratic of you cods.

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Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 2:17pm:

cods wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 11:34pm: they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women.... I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :( I see.  So only those you like are allowed the freedom to dress as they please.  How very democratic of you cods.

and you would allow them in your cab I am sure..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6442662-3x2-700x467.jpg


greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D

thats the trouble it isnt just a piece of

clothing...

do you call a ski mask a piece of clothing as well

would you be happy to see all sorts of men walking around with them on??..

would you find them amusing.. http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/legacy.images/smosh-pit/4/masks-4.jpg


would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...


yes or no will do.. ::) ::)

cods wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

[/img] Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 2:17pm: cods wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 11:34pm: they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women.... I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :( I see.  So only those you like are allowed the freedom to dress as they please.  How very democratic of you cods. and you would allow them in your cab I am sure.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6442662-3x2-700x467.jpg greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm: It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D thats the trouble it isnt just a piece of clothing... do you call a ski mask a piece of clothing as well would you be happy to see all sorts of men walking around with them on??.. would you find them amusing.. http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/legacy.images/smosh-pit/4/masks-4.jpg would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... yes or no will do.. ::) ::)

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

People can wear whatever they like on their heads (or any other part of their body).

Tell me cods, would you have this burns victim prosecuted for wearing this head covering?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/30/article-2137279-12D731AA000005DC-65_634x425.jpg

Quote:

would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???...

You wanted 'Yes or No.'

No.

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No.

Racist Islamophobe.

cods: do you want these masks banned?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

cods wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 11:34pm:

they can always go and live in a country that prefers its women folk to be covered head to toe and only to be seen in the company of other women.... I am not sure where they are but I know they have a few choices... :(

Why should they go somewhere where they are forced to wear something because somewhere else forces them not to wear something?

Don't you think a demographic, civilised country should support individual freedoms?

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 12:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them.

Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them?

And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision?

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No.

Why not, Aussie?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them. Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them? And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision?

If you do not show me your face because your idiotic Islamic religion holds my culture, where the face is shown, in contempt and you do this in my culture, then the least I can do is to hold you in utter contempt and refuse to deal with you ON YOUR DESPICABLE TERMS.

That's why, critical nonthinker extraordinaire.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them. Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them? And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision?

I bet you don't get one.

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them. Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them? And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision? If you do not show me your face because your idiotic Islamic religion holds my culture, where the face is shown, in contempt and you do this in my culture, then the least I can do is to hold you in utter contempt and refuse to deal with you ON YOUR DESPICABLE TERMS. That's why, critical nonthinker extraordinaire.

Why do you assume that they hold your culture in contempt?

Why can't they be a part of "your" culture and still wear what they want?

Frank, i did ask for a reasonable answer.

Would you like to try again?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

cods: do you want these masks banned? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg

Medical. Not ideological, Turdy McTurdface.

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:44pm: cods: do you want these masks banned? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg Medical. Not ideological, Turdy McTurdface.

So, you want everyone to think within your parameters?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them. Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them? And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision? If you do not show me your face because your idiotic Islamic religion holds my culture, where the face is shown, in contempt and you do this in my culture, then the least I can do is to hold you in utter contempt and refuse to deal with you ON YOUR DESPICABLE TERMS. That's why, critical nonthinker extraordinaire. Why do you assume that they hold your culture in contempt?

Because in my culture you do not interact with others while hiding your face. Because in my culture PERSONHOOD is important. Because  in my culture women are not required to submit to the idea that their PERSONHOOD is the evil temptation of men and so they must hide their woman-ness and personhood


Cheeses!!!! You are soooo bloody thick, it's painful.

It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag??

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:29pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:26pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:54pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 12:06pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:37pm: bogarde73 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:02pm: Whatsamatter Karnage? You want women to have the freedom to show their faces don't you? I'm sure your good friend Mothra does. And why can't they have the freedom to hide them, Mr 73?  Democracy, is it? Yeah, strike a blow for social cohesion. Can we then refuse to have any dealings with them, in shops, offices, schools, while they hide their faces? For them to have freedoms in our societies and but everyone else's response to them is regulated and the 'wrong' behaviour criminalised  - that's not not on. People must have the right to refuse to deal with them. Freedom and democracy would be served only if people could freely choose how they respond to niqabis, including ostracising them. Why would someone want to refuse to deal with them? And what reasonable argument could they ,make to support that decision? If you do not show me your face because your idiotic Islamic religion holds my culture, where the face is shown, in contempt and you do this in my culture, then the least I can do is to hold you in utter contempt and refuse to deal with you ON YOUR DESPICABLE TERMS. That's why, critical nonthinker extraordinaire. Why do you assume that they hold your culture in contempt? Because in my culture you do not interact with others while hiding your face. Because in my culture PERSONHOOD is important. Because  in my culture women are not required to submit to the idea that their PERSONHOOD is the evil temptation of men and so they must hide their woman-ness and personhood Cheese!!!! You are soooo bloody thick, it's painful.

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes?

And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:36pm:

It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag??

I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants.

I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights.

These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag??

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag??

The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes.

Have you not listened to them?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them?

bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 1:23pm:

It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D

Not ME
But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings"
Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne'

I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not
It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE
It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T

It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices

There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself.

You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear.

You have no right to do that.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm: It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D Not ME But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings" Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne' I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation

rubbish.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that.

Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas??

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:44pm: cods: do you want these masks banned? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg Medical. Not ideological, Turdy McTurdface.

Hold on a minute, bucko.

You and your fellow Islamophobes frequently cite "security reasons" for banning Islamic face coverings.

Those burns masks cover the entire face, and there's no way of  knowing who's under there.

Why doesn't that concern you?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas??

What does my happiness have to do with it?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:44pm: cods: do you want these masks banned? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412294881305_wps_21_Dana_jpg.jpg Medical. Not ideological, Turdy McTurdface. Hold on a minute, bucko. You and your fellow Islamophobes frequently cite "security reasons" for banning Islamic face coverings. Those burns masks cover the entire face, and there's no way of  knowing who's under there. Why doesn't that concern you?

The same could be said of how much make-up some women wear. They are completely unrecognisable from their natural faces.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas??

Why would anyone be happy about that?

Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing.

I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes?

Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course).

Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother??

You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo.

It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? What does my happiness have to do with it?

Happiness? I'll throw that in the too hard basket.

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose.

So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters.

No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie?

Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere?

Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time.

So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie? Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere? Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in.

What about women who are unrecognisable under their extensive make-up? Sunglasses and facial hair?

Where do you draw the line?

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:54pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie? Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere? Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in.

what about a burqa?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey?

You really struggle, don't you Homo?

It has nothing to do with happiness.

I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody.

Not in a million years.

However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing.

Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it.

Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'?

Lol.  Look who i'm asking.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters?

Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa?

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:54pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie? Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere? Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in. What about women who are unrecognisable under their extensive make-up? Sunglasses and facial hair? Where do you draw the line?

Simple.  If I can see they have gone out of their way to disguise.....no......they ain't getting in the Cab.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that?

Homo "thinks" everyone is like him (God forbid such a thing).

i.e. if you don't like something, you ask for it to be banned.

I don't like the idea of Homo walking around Mt Druitt with swastikas all over his hoody.

Not one bit.

However, I would never tell him to take his hoody off, or ask politicians to legislate against his appalling dress sense.

Homo has absolutely no idea what 'tolerance' means.

It's a totally foreign concept to him.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking.

Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm: It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D Not ME But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings" Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne' I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation rubbish.

Were your EARS burning ?



I rest my case

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa?

How are they equatable?

One is the symbol of violence, intolerance and white supremacy ... the other is simply religious garb.

How can you compare the two?

In any event, when did i suggest that i got upset at swastikas? I rarely think anything beyond pity.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:54pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie? Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere? Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in. what about a burqa?

They get in just like I would allow a Nun wearing her garb to get in.

In those cases, I am taking a risk by assuming they are wearying that stuff for cultural or religious reasons.  Yes, it is a gamble.  Life is like that.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm: It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D Not ME But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings" Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne' I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation rubbish. Were your EARS burning ? I rest my case

We'll tolerate the burqa when you tolerate our disapproval of gay marriage?

Aussie wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:54pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:55pm: Aussie wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Quote: would aussie allow someone wearing that into his cab???... You wanted 'Yes or No.' No. Why not, Aussie? Bloke wearing a balaclava in a Cab where there are cameras everywhere? Nah.  He takes it off, and then gets in. What about women who are unrecognisable under their extensive make-up? Sunglasses and facial hair? Where do you draw the line? Simple.  If I can see they have gone out of their way to disguise.....no......they ain't getting in the Cab.

Fair point. Fair distinction.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking. Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging?

The people don't want Trump.

More people voted for Clinton than him.

And, most Americans want him impeached now.

Why won't you respect their choice, Homo?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking. Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging? The people don't want Trump. More people voted for Clinton than him. And, most Americans want him impeached now. Why won't you respect their choice, Homo?

Well tolerate the US political system that put Trump in? It was devised by smarter people than you ass clown.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa?

Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo?

Take your time ...

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking. Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging? The people don't want Trump. More people voted for Clinton than him. And, most Americans want him impeached now. Why won't you respect their choice, Homo? Well tolerate the US political system that put Trump in? .

I do.

Within minutes of him winning the election, I was the first to congratulate him.

However, the truth of the matter is, more people wanted Clinton.

And, most Americans now want to see him impeached.

Why don't you respect their choice, Homo?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ...

fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead.

So, that's two terms you don't understand:

1. tolerance

2. clothing

Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking. Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging? The people don't want Trump. More people voted for Clinton than him. And, most Americans want him impeached now. Why won't you respect their choice, Homo? Well tolerate the US political system that put Trump in? . I do. Within minutes of him winning the election, I was the first to congratulate him. However, the truth of the matter is, more people wanted Clinton. And, most Americans now want to see him impeached. Why don't you respect their choice, Homo?

And, most Americans now want to see him impeached??? Proof? More rubbish from Pecca. Most American's haven't been asked anything. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo?

He overlooked "choice" also.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:47pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:39pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm: It's funny how a feminist like Mothra supports women walking around life in a bag?? I support a woman's right to wear whatever she wants. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that people like you and Frank tell women what they must not wear under the pretence that it for their rights. These woman have pressure put on them Mothra. It isn't their choice. What right minded human being would spend their life walking around in a bag?? The women in Australia overwhelmingly report that it is their choice. Some even do it against their husband's wishes. Have you not listened to them? bs. they cover girls up when they are 8 years old. They are conditioned. Wake up to yourself. You're wrong Hammer. And you are doing exactly what you are complaining about. Telling women what they can or cannot wear. You have no right to do that. Are you happy with skinheads wearing swastikas?? Why would anyone be happy about that? Moreover, a swastika isn't an item of clothing. I'm surprised disappointed that you need that explained to you, Homo. It's their beliefs sh itbag and their choice. Stick to your beliefs hey? You really struggle, don't you Homo? It has nothing to do with happiness. I wouldn't be happy to see someone like you wearing a swastika on your Target hoody. Not in a million years. However, I wouldn't abuse you for doing so, and I wouldn't demand any law be made to stop you stitching it on to your clothing. Do whatever you like, Homo, but don't expect me to be happy about it. Have you ever heard of the term 'tolerance'? Lol.  Look who i'm asking. Tolerance?? You don't tolerate anything. Tolerate the peoples choice for Trump you muppet and stop whinging? The people don't want Trump. More people voted for Clinton than him. And, most Americans want him impeached now. Why won't you respect their choice, Homo? Well tolerate the US political system that put Trump in? . I do. Within minutes of him winning the election, I was the first to congratulate him. However, the truth of the matter is, more people wanted Clinton. And, most Americans now want to see him impeached. Why don't you respect their choice, Homo? And, most Americans now want to see him impeached???

That's correct.

And more people voted for Clinton than Trump.

Why won't you respect their choice, Homo?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo?

More snobbery from pecca. The biggest social justice warrior on earth is a snob who laughs at peoples dead relatives.

mothra wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also.

What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing?

I mean, seriously!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously!

What sort of person mocks a posters loss?

Just words, Hammer. Isn't that what you told me?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss?

What have you lost, Homo?

Apart from this argument, that is.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:16pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is.

You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is. You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job.

I don't hate anyone, Homo.

Especially not you.

Even on my worst day, you make me look like Einstein.

So, what did you lose (apart from this argument)?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is. You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job. I don't hate anyone, Homo. Especially not you. Even on my worst day, you make me look like Einstein. So, what did you lose (apart from this argument)?

you've shown your colours Pecca. I don't need to write one more thing about you. You've said it all.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is. You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job. I don't hate anyone, Homo. Especially not you. Even on my worst day, you make me look like Einstein. So, what did you lose (apart from this argument)? you've shown your colours Pecca. I don't need to write one more thing about you. You've said it all.

What was your loss, Homo?

You didn't say.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is. You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job. I don't hate anyone, Homo. Especially not you. Even on my worst day, you make me look like Einstein. So, what did you lose (apart from this argument)? you've shown your colours Pecca. I don't need to write one more thing about you. You've said it all. What was your loss, Homo? You didn't say.

I wouldn't dare talk about loss with you. You'll make a joke out of it.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:27pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:19pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:16pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:15pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:14pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:10pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:08pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:06pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 8:00pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:55pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Frank wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:50pm: mothra wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:37pm: You do understand that the reasons women given for covering in Australia do not align with the reasons you apply to them, yes? And do you seriously think that women aren't restricted in what they can and cannot wear in "your" culture? You know in some workplaces, women are expected to wear makeup, yes? Behaviour in this culture is to be judged by the standards and expectation of this culture, not by every strange and alien one. If you are in Australia, accept the behavioural norms of Australia. Islam has no overriding claim on your behaviour while you are here. It CERTAINLY doesn't have an overriding claim on MY behaviour towards you. If you wish to prefer Islamic codes of behaviour here, I do not want to accept them as being also thereby applicable to me. So show your face when talking to me or f orf. Your submission to Islam does not demand that I also submit to Islam. F that.  (but that is exactly the gambit claim, of course). Muslim women have absolutely NO right to expect that everyone else must accept nd accommodate their covering up. How bloody arrogant can they be? And how thick and uncritical can YOU be, mother?? You are now agitating for Muslim womens' human right to self-abnegation, you silly goose. So, you expect people to adhere to ideology within your parameters. No wonder you're so unhappy all the time. So you expect skinheads to fall within your parameters? Not at all. Where have i ever suggested that i expect that? well don' get upset at swastikas  and I won't get upset at the burqa? Who's asking for swastikas to be banned, Homo? Take your time ... fair enough. I'll carve one on your girly forehead. So, that's two terms you don't understand: 1. tolerance 2. clothing Ever thought of going to Mt Druitt TAFE, Homo? He overlooked "choice" also. What sort of person thinks that physically assaulting someone, by using a knife to carve a symbol into their forehead, is the same as someone wearing a piece of clothing? I mean, seriously! What sort of person mocks a posters loss? What have you lost, Homo? Apart from this argument, that is. You've shown your true colours pecca. You are just your typical spiteful hater. You just have more properties and a better job. I don't hate anyone, Homo. Especially not you. Even on my worst day, you make me look like Einstein. So, what did you lose (apart from this argument)? you've shown your colours Pecca. I don't need to write one more thing about you. You've said it all. What was your loss, Homo? You didn't say. I wouldn't dare talk about loss with you. You'll make a joke out of it.

Homo: you are the one who mentioned it, not me.

So, why?

Why did you mention your loss, and what is it?

Homo?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:46pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2017 at 1:23pm: It always amazes me just how many "men" are frightened by a piece of women's clothing. Gotta laugh    ;D Not ME But I'm used to ALL sorts of religious "trimmings" Ive worked in retail, in a heavily Muslim populated suburb of Melbourne' I've dealt with Muslim mothers and daughters - some veiled and some not It's a personal gesture to God - and is in not enforced by ANYONE It can be compared to the way some Christan women CHOOSE to wear crucifixes around their necks - and some Christian women DON'T It's all really a matter of familiarising yourself with different religious and cultural practices There's a few Islamophobes on Ozpolitic that could benefit from that familiarisation rubbish. Were your EARS burning ? I rest my case

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