The Prog left have always sneered derided and lied.  Ridiculing and harassing those who dissent from their "enlightened" pov.


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Left looks away from Islamist threat Peter Baldwin The Australian 12:00AM July 14, 2017 On a recent episode of the ABC’s Q&A American physicist Lawrence Krauss delighted the audience by claiming that in the US falling fridges posed a greater safety risk than terrorist attacks. Variations on this theme recur in statements by those determined to minimise the threat posed by terrorists inspired by Islamic doctrine. What about bathroom drownings? Electrocutions while changing light bulbs? In Australia we could throw in fun­nel-web spiders and brown snakes. All the better to get people to focus on the real menace: an outbreak of Islamophobia in response to the attacks among the unenlightened masses. This is pernicious nonsense. It is patently absurd to make statistical comparisons between deaths by accident, misadventure and disease with those resulting from deliberately orchestrated violence by groups determined to reshape our society. Morally, there is no comparison between the inevitable accidents of life and planned slaughter. The terrorists responsible for the Manchester atrocity real­ly intended to kill and maim large numbers of teenage girls. People are profoundly unnerved, and rightly so, to think that we have people in our midst capable of forming this kind of evil intention and of carrying it out. And, crucially, we are not just talking about individuals, the proverbial “lone wolves”. In case after case it turns out that the attacks are committed by organised cells, sometimes involving scores of people. In the case of the 2015 Paris attacks, for example, 23 arrests were made in addition to the eight who carried out the attacks. Often the direct perpetrators are just the tip of the iceberg, with others providing weapons, safe houses and other support. This is a stark contrast with the rare cases of lethal anti-Islamic violence, which are almost invariably the work of lone individuals. It is true, of course, that only a tiny minority of Muslims directly participates in these attacks, and most do not support them. But it takes only a handful of violent ­jihadists to cast a pall of fear over a society. I wonder if Krauss can point to any instances of feral ­fridges causing cities to go into lockdown, as happened in Boston, Paris and Brussels. It is also sadly true that substantial minorities in some Muslim communities do identify with the perpetrators. After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, polls in France and Britain revealed that about one-quarter of Muslims expressed some level of sympathy for the terrorists, with support strongest among the young. According to a poll of British Muslims commissioned by Channel 4, two-thirds of those asked would not report a terrorist plot involving someone close to them to the police, a result that the former chairman of Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commis­sion, Trevor Phillips, described as “astonishing” and “troubling”. Mao Zedong famously stated that in a guerilla war the fighters must move among the people “as a fish swims in the sea”. Suburbs such as Molenbeek in Brussels, where the Paris and Brussels terror attacks were incubated, provide just this kind of environment. We need to also bear in mind the “sky’s the limit” mentality of ­jihadist attackers, in which catastrophically successful attacks such as the 9/11 World Trade Centre atrocity are the gold standard. Such attacks need a high level of organisation, technical competence and substantial financial backing. Those responsible would think nothing of inflict­ing hundreds of thousands or even millions of casualties, given the opportunity. This forces Western governments to take extreme measures to ensure security, including legislative and surveillance measures that would not be contemplated in more benign circumstances. In France, heavily armed troops patrol beaches in Nice; Jewish schools and synagogues resemble armed camps. In Britain troops were ordered on to streets after the Manchester bombing. In Melbourne ugly concrete bollards have been placed in 10 CBD locations to protect pedestrians from terror attacks. Our societies are being transformed by all this — and very much for the worse. The most sinister aspect is the effective curbing of free speech. Starting with the fatwa against Salman Rushdie issued by Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989, any high-profile critic of Islam has had to face the prospect of death threats. Many have felt the impact of this, from cartoonists (including this newspaper’s Bill Leak) to historians of Islam who challenge orthodox accounts, such as British author Tom Holland, who was subjected to what he called a “tsunami of death threats” against his family after the airing of a Channel 4 documentary about his ideas. [highlight]At greatest risk are defectors from Islam, apostates such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who must take extraordinary security measures.[ /highlight]

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Even today most Islamic scholars agree apostasy is a capital crime, a daunting prospect for any Muslim inclined to exercise the freedom of religion that we had assumed was an integral feature of our society, let alone to express it publicly. Hirsi Ali can afford 24-hour security. But what about those who cannot, such as Molly Norris, of whom many readers may be unaware? She is a young cartoonist of liberal-progressive politics who was based in Seattle. In 2010 she responded to the censorship of an episode of the television show South Park that depicted Mohammed by calling for an “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”. According to a friend, “she didn’t mean to skewer or offend — she just thought people should lighten up”. This resulted in Norris being placed on a hit list by Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. After being advised by the FBI that the threat was “very serious”, Norris effectively disappeared. Seattle Weekly published this: “You may have noticed that Molly Norris’ comic is not in the paper this week. That’s because there is no more Molly. The gifted artist is alive and well, thankfully. But on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, ‘going ghost’: moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity.” She is still in hiding — in the land of the first amendment. On YouTube you can watch a speech to the American Humanist Association by Sarah Haider, an extraordinarily articulate and courageous young woman from a Pakistani Muslim background, and a founder of the group Ex-Muslims of North America. Needless to say, her group is forced to operate like a secret society, venues and identities carefully concealed. But the most remarkable aspect of her speech was her description of reactions from her erstwhile colleagues of the progressive left. As Haider said: “I always expected feeling unwelcome from Muslim audiences, but I didn’t anticipate an equal amount of hostility from my allies on the left … almost all of whom questioned my motives rather than addressing my claims.”. She lists the epithets directed at people like her: “House Muslim”, “Uncle Tom” and the particularly sinister “native informant”. Who would have thought it? Self-styled “progressives” in a de facto alliance with Islamist fanatics to marginalise and suppress religious dissenters? This is the intellectual and moral abyss that the postmodern left has fallen into with its embrace of identity politics. Peter Baldwin was a minister in the Hawke and Keating governments

The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy.

It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

liberal democracy

Er, old boy, you just mentioned the L word.

Have I missed something?

You always miss the point karnal. 
You'd almost think you were doing it on purpose. :D :D :D

Oh well at least there one less lefty in the Senate for a short while.

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 10:33am:

The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy. It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere.

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Yeah, sure, Soren, sure, whatever you claim.  Of course, the rest of the world knows you're talking bullshit but, hey, we can always tolerate it when it comes from a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::)

Wassup bwian, you're laying on the sanctimonious bullsh a bit thick even for you eh.

How about debating some real facts and stop ignoring and avoiding reality for a change? :D :D :D :D :D

Looks to me like all you are good for these days is TROLLING and FLAMING.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::)

Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!!

How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am?

No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic.

Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer.

I am glad to see that there are still a few journalists who don't chant the acceptance of Islam as a religion of peace.  There are some extremely important points in this article. But defense of Islam in the West is not exactly a leftist point of view. Its a form of denial from anyone who cannot bear to recognise that Islam is not a culture which wants multiculturalism. Multiculturalism requires a central umbrella philosophy, in our case, democratic secular pluralism. This is the antithesis of Islam. 

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 12:08am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm: a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::) Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!! How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am? No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic. Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer.

Oh, dear.  I judge you by what you have posted, Soren.   Are you now telling us that you've been lying all these years?    That in reality you don't hate Muslims, you don't hate Multiculturalism, you don't hate Indigenous Australians?  That you don't hate women/gays/etc?

If that is true, then I unreservedly apologise.   However, I suspect it isn't.   Your public statements are all on record.  I've read most of them and they disgust me.  You have no idea it seems from your statements what decency and tolerance is.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:08am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm: a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::) Oooohhhh... now it's a 'known' [your cliched label here]!!! How do you know all this about me, Brian? Have you ever sat down with me to discuss just what a law abiding, enlightened, cultured, 'vast majority' man I am? No. Yet you judge by the Book of Ozpolitic. Tu tut, Brian you dreadully judgemental old duffer. Oh, dear.  I judge you by what you have posted, Soren.   Are you now telling us that you've been lying all these years?    That in reality you don't hate Muslims, you don't hate Multiculturalism, you don't hate Indigenous Australians?  That you don't hate women/gays/etc? If that is true, then I unreservedly apologise.   However, I suspect it isn't.   Your public statements are all on record.  I've read most of them and they disgust me.  You have no idea it seems from your statements what decency and tolerance is.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Caution! Virtue signalling and moral preening above.

issuevoter wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 5:03pm:

I am glad to see that there are still a few journalists who don't chant the acceptance of Islam as a religion of peace.  There are some extremely important points in this article. But defense of Islam in the West is not exactly a leftist point of view. Its a form of denial from anyone who cannot bear to recognise that Islam is not a culture which wants multiculturalism. Multiculturalism requires a central umbrella philosophy, in our case, democratic secular pluralism. This is the antithesis of Islam.

I think it is just an assumption. If you know nothing about it, you are going to assume it is just like other religions, until someone proves otherwise. That doesn't explain people like Brian, unless he has been particularly good at covering his ears every time a Muslim speaks here, but for the most part I think that is what is happening.

The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror.
And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West:

Denmark:
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Canada
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The West should have all those bollards and barriers and walls at the border. But (completely misplaced and baseless) Western guilt is too powerful a seduction for Lefty looneys.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror.

were they? were you asleep at the time that happened?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam.

And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds.

Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp?

As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you?

Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:06pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

We are erecting barriers in our cities to protect us from cultists and you call others blind?

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) We are erecting barriers in our cities to protect us from cultists and you call others blind?

Yes.  Islamophobia blinds people to reality.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::)

Extremists are not individuals, eh?  You are stupider than I though and that is saying something!!!!

ISLAM. Brian. It is about Islam. ISLAM rots their minds and makes them do evil thins.

You have not decoupled their evil deeds from Islam.  Calling me an Islamophobe is calling me sane under the circumstances.  Who the bloody hell would want to accommodate and tolerate a creed that gives rise to so much evil in the name of Islam?  Apart  from you, that is.

But then you are stupider than anyone could imagine. You have a degree in Stupid Studies.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::) Extremists are not individuals, eh?  You are stupider than I though and that is saying something!!!! ISLAM. Brian. It is about Islam. ISLAM rots their minds and makes them do evil thins.

For some Muslims, without a doubt, Soren.  The overwhelming majority though are peaceful, moderate and well assimilated to Western society.   When you realise that, you may be able to discuss Islamism extremism sensibly but until that time your just spouting the same tired old Islamophobia.  You're wasting my time and everybody else's as well.   ::)


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You have not decoupled their evil deeds from Islam.  Calling me an Islamophobe is calling me sane under the circumstances.  Who the bloody hell would want to accommodate and tolerate a creed that gives rise to so much evil in the name of Islam?  Apart  from you, that is. But then you are stupider than anyone could imagine. You have a degree in Stupid Studies.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren why do you always resort to ad hominem debate when you're losing the argument?  All that does is confirm that you've lost the argument.   You keep attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points I am making.  It's boring and foolish.  Tsk, tsk.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::) Extremists are not individuals, eh?  You are stupider than I though and that is saying something!!!! ISLAM. Brian. It is about Islam. ISLAM rots their minds and makes them do evil thins. For some Muslims, without a doubt, Soren.  The overwhelming majority though are peaceful, moderate and well assimilated to Western society.   When you realise that, you may be able to discuss Islamism extremism sensibly but until that time your just spouting the same tired old Islamophobia.  You're wasting my time and everybody else's as well.   ::) Quote: You have not decoupled their evil deeds from Islam.  Calling me an Islamophobe is calling me sane under the circumstances.  Who the bloody hell would want to accommodate and tolerate a creed that gives rise to so much evil in the name of Islam?  Apart  from you, that is. But then you are stupider than anyone could imagine. You have a degree in Stupid Studies. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren why do you always resort to ad hominem debate when you're losing the argument?  All that does is confirm that you've lost the argument.   You keep attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points I am making.  It's boring and foolish.  Tsk, tsk.

Soooo - have you decoupled Islam and Muslims?

John Smith wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. were they? were you asleep at the time that happened?

Not at all. He was distracted by the invasion of Iraq. The old boy, you see, had a thing with tinted secular dictators.

He's since changed his mind. Now he's going for bearded numpties.

Always absolutely never ever, innit. They keep you on your toes, no?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::) Extremists are not individuals, eh?  You are stupider than I though and that is saying something!!!! ISLAM. Brian. It is about Islam. ISLAM rots their minds and makes them do evil thins. For some Muslims, without a doubt, Soren.  The overwhelming majority though are peaceful, moderate and well assimilated to Western society.   When you realise that, you may be able to discuss Islamism extremism sensibly but until that time your just spouting the same tired old Islamophobia.  You're wasting my time and everybody else's as well.   ::) Quote: You have not decoupled their evil deeds from Islam.  Calling me an Islamophobe is calling me sane under the circumstances.  Who the bloody hell would want to accommodate and tolerate a creed that gives rise to so much evil in the name of Islam?  Apart  from you, that is. But then you are stupider than anyone could imagine. You have a degree in Stupid Studies. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren why do you always resort to ad hominem debate when you're losing the argument?  All that does is confirm that you've lost the argument.   You keep attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points I am making.  It's boring and foolish.  Tsk, tsk.

That's right.

You have a PhD, yes?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::)

So it is the police's fault for not taking Islamism seriously enough?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::)

What a load of apologist bullshyte bwian... :D :D :D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 6:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am: The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy. It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Yeah, sure, Soren, sure, whatever you claim.  Of course, the rest of the world knows you're talking bullshit but, hey, we can always tolerate it when it comes from a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::)

You tick all these boxes, with bells on, Bwian:

Allaholic Frenzy. (1) – “Display of highly agitated behaviour, often in a crowd setting. Can be triggered by almost anything that can be interpreted as disrespectful to Islam, esp. cartoon. Frequently seen in Islamic areas such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and England. Patients suffering from Allaholic Frenzy are advised to be cautious when operating machinery or motor vehicles. References. (1). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 6th Edition: DSM-6.”

Alutheran – “A forward-thinking progressive who thinks a man should be judged by the colour of his skin, not the content of their character, and who is thus supercilious and condescending towards an Alt-Racist.”

Faulty-cultural – “A multi-cultural society gone wrong which tends to occur after importing a backward 7th Century culture incompatible with your societal norms.”

Fauxb/Fauxbia/Fauxbic – “The dishonest and slanderous labelling of an individual who publicly questions the narrative imposed by a self-selected moral elite regarding specific favoured groups which share characteristics such as race, gender, sexual preference, religious or cultural belief. e.g. Homofauxbia, Islamofauxbia. The labelled individual is portrayed as suffering from an irrational fear, akin to a dangerous mental illness, of one or more of the favoured groups, thus consciously separating themselves from the societal ‘norm’ and voluntarily surrendering any rights, protections or privileges. This pathologising of dissent is analogous to the historical concept of outlawry, wherein an individual was legally stripped of the rights enjoyed by fellow citizens as the result of an alleged crime committed by the accused. Said outlaw could be ‘hunted’ using means not otherwise permitted by the contemporary legal system. The Post-Rational branding of an individual as a ‘fauxb’ presently submits them for hunting (by any and all persons who express an interest) in a reputational and social sense only, though Self-Elected Retributive Justice Magistrates (SERJMs, or simply RJMs) aim to progress legislation to the point where the hunting of fellow humans is again sanctioned by society as a whole, or its unelected representatives.”


NTDWI – “Nothing to do with Islam: Description of a terrorist attack in which a perp yelling something in that Arabic people frequently say when going about their normal daily business, and brandishing a black flag which has some common Arabic phrases kills a bunch of people.”

Pollicock – “Political correctness” (remembering ‘poppycock’).

Pollikak – “From Collins English Dictionary – C19 from Dutch dialect ‘pappekak’ literally: soft excrement, from ‘pap’ soft + ‘kak’ dung.”

Pregressive – “A self-righteous, soi disant ultra-modern thinker who takes his agricultural beliefs from 10,000 BC (pre-farming), social policies from 3000 BC (pre-family groups), marital policies from 1500 BC (pre-Mosaic monogamy), science and technological ideas from 1700 AD (pre-industrial revolution) and economic guidance from 1860 (Marx).

Tollerance – “The heavy monetary and social price Western countries have to pay in order to ‘enjoy’ the ‘benefits’ of multiculturalism.”

Triggs Point – “The realisation that after broadcasting your contempt for someone in the left media for days that you have completely forgotten the facts of the matter.”

Tuppitude – “Sexual intercourse involving sheeple.”

Two-bagger – “Your typical leftist/SJW who is as repulsive in the outside as they are on the inside and thus during tuppitude require two paper bags over the head in case the first one falls off.”

VisOrama – Panoramic Virtue Signalling (anything from the environment to sexuality to electing a black, Marxist homo as president).

Youthajism – “The smug, satisfactory feeling achieved by SJW students as they march, chant and ejaculate meaningless slogans and platitude. Often used as a substitute for the fact that SJWs are largely incapable of getting laid, or if they are then it’s with a two-bagger.”

Zyx – “The politically-correct form of ‘Dude.’ i.e. ‘Zyx, check out the pair on that one!”

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:57pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:44pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:06pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren, they aren't "anti-Muslim" barriers.  Muslims are still allowed to walk back and forth, through them.  They are anti-Extremist barriers.   There is a difference in the minds of intelligent people between Muslims and Islamists.   Your Islamophobia blinds you to it, though, doesn't it?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  There is no reliable way to tell them apart UNTIL they kill you.  Up to that point they are all 'vast majority Muslims'.  But what binds the active and passive ones is Islam. And that massive elephant  - Islam - is what you all are soooo bloody keen to ignore. Which makes you idiots and mongs.  You must address Islam. It is the root of all evil Islamic deeds. Islamists do not strike out of no where, Soren.  Islamists take a long road to the point where they are willing to commit violence.    More often than not, it is other Muslims, alarmed at the violent and aggressive turn their friends/relatives have taken that report them, as the revelations after Manchest and London showed.  Unfortunately, all too often their reports are ignored by the authorities.   Perhaps instead of blaming the majority of Muslims you need to look closer to home, the authorities who think that no one represents a threat?   Or is that too hard a concept for you to grasp? As for the barriers, they are intended to stop Extremists from using vehicles to kill people.   They are not intended to stop individuals.   I suppose, you'd just like to declare that no Muslims are allowed to drive anywhere, now wouldn't you? Your Islamophobia is sickening, Soren.  Seek help.    ::) Extremists are not individuals, eh?  You are stupider than I though and that is saying something!!!! ISLAM. Brian. It is about Islam. ISLAM rots their minds and makes them do evil thins. For some Muslims, without a doubt, Soren.  The overwhelming majority though are peaceful, moderate and well assimilated to Western society.   When you realise that, you may be able to discuss Islamism extremism sensibly but until that time your just spouting the same tired old Islamophobia.  You're wasting my time and everybody else's as well.   ::) Quote: You have not decoupled their evil deeds from Islam.  Calling me an Islamophobe is calling me sane under the circumstances.  Who the bloody hell would want to accommodate and tolerate a creed that gives rise to so much evil in the name of Islam?  Apart  from you, that is. But then you are stupider than anyone could imagine. You have a degree in Stupid Studies. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Soren why do you always resort to ad hominem debate when you're losing the argument?  All that does is confirm that you've lost the argument.   You keep attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points I am making.  It's boring and foolish.  Tsk, tsk. Soooo - have you decoupled Islam and Muslims?

Nope.   However, I recognise there are different types of Muslims.  You claim all Muslims are the same, their beliefs are identical, they are all Terrorists.   In reality, they are a mixed lot, just like Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc.   Most are good, some are bad.   You make no effort to differentiate.   To you, they are all just "Muslims".   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm: Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am: The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy. It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Yeah, sure, Soren, sure, whatever you claim.  Of course, the rest of the world knows you're talking bullshit but, hey, we can always tolerate it when it comes from a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::) You tick all these boxes, with bells on, Bwian: Allaholic Frenzy. (1) – “Display of highly agitated behaviour, often in a crowd setting. Can be triggered by almost anything that can be interpreted as disrespectful to Islam, esp. cartoon. Frequently seen in Islamic areas such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and England. Patients suffering from Allaholic Frenzy are advised to be cautious when operating machinery or motor vehicles. References. (1). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 6th Edition: DSM-6.” Alutheran – “A forward-thinking progressive who thinks a man should be judged by the colour of his skin, not the content of their character, and who is thus supercilious and condescending towards an Alt-Racist.” Faulty-cultural – “A multi-cultural society gone wrong which tends to occur after importing a backward 7th Century culture incompatible with your societal norms.” Fauxb/Fauxbia/Fauxbic – “The dishonest and slanderous labelling of an individual who publicly questions the narrative imposed by a self-selected moral elite regarding specific favoured groups which share characteristics such as race, gender, sexual preference, religious or cultural belief. e.g. Homofauxbia, Islamofauxbia. The labelled individual is portrayed as suffering from an irrational fear, akin to a dangerous mental illness, of one or more of the favoured groups, thus consciously separating themselves from the societal ‘norm’ and voluntarily surrendering any rights, protections or privileges. This pathologising of dissent is analogous to the historical concept of outlawry, wherein an individual was legally stripped of the rights enjoyed by fellow citizens as the result of an alleged crime committed by the accused. Said outlaw could be ‘hunted’ using means not otherwise permitted by the contemporary legal system. The Post-Rational branding of an individual as a ‘fauxb’ presently submits them for hunting (by any and all persons who express an interest) in a reputational and social sense only, though Self-Elected Retributive Justice Magistrates (SERJMs, or simply RJMs) aim to progress legislation to the point where the hunting of fellow humans is again sanctioned by society as a whole, or its unelected representatives.” NTDWI – “Nothing to do with Islam: Description of a terrorist attack in which a perp yelling something in that Arabic people frequently say when going about their normal daily business, and brandishing a black flag which has some common Arabic phrases kills a bunch of people.” Pollicock – “Political correctness” (remembering ‘poppycock’). Pollikak – “From Collins English Dictionary – C19 from Dutch dialect ‘pappekak’ literally: soft excrement, from ‘pap’ soft + ‘kak’ dung.” Pregressive – “A self-righteous, soi disant ultra-modern thinker who takes his agricultural beliefs from 10,000 BC (pre-farming), social policies from 3000 BC (pre-family groups), marital policies from 1500 BC (pre-Mosaic monogamy), science and technological ideas from 1700 AD (pre-industrial revolution) and economic guidance from 1860 (Marx). Tollerance – “The heavy monetary and social price Western countries have to pay in order to ‘enjoy’ the ‘benefits’ of multiculturalism.” Triggs Point – “The realisation that after broadcasting your contempt for someone in the left media for days that you have completely forgotten the facts of the matter.” Tuppitude – “Sexual intercourse involving sheeple.” Two-bagger – “Your typical leftist/SJW who is as repulsive in the outside as they are on the inside and thus during tuppitude require two paper bags over the head in case the first one falls off.” VisOrama – Panoramic Virtue Signalling (anything from the environment to sexuality to electing a black, Marxist homo as president). Youthajism – “The smug, satisfactory feeling achieved by SJW students as they march, chant and ejaculate meaningless slogans and platitude. Often used as a substitute for the fact that SJWs are largely incapable of getting laid, or if they are then it’s with a two-bagger.” Zyx – “The politically-correct form of ‘Dude.’ i.e. ‘Zyx, check out the pair on that one!”

Oh, dear, oh, dearie, me.  Stealing other people's ideas, Soren? Tsk, tsk, plagarism.   ::)  ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:19pm: Frank wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 10:33am: The Left have never been anything but deluded opportunists, always in search of something to destroy. It's no accident they entered the Nazi-Soviet pact and now are in pact with Islamists. They spawned the Red Brigades and the PLO. Nothing is beyond the pale for them as long as it is the enemy of liberal democracy, the true Great Satan to the ProRegressive Left and to Islamists everywhere. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Yeah, sure, Soren, sure, whatever you claim.  Of course, the rest of the world knows you're talking bullshit but, hey, we can always tolerate it when it comes from a known right-wing, neo-Fascist, Islamophobic, racist.  Right?   ::) You tick all these boxes, with bells on, Bwian: Allaholic Frenzy. (1) – “Display of highly agitated behaviour, often in a crowd setting. Can be triggered by almost anything that can be interpreted as disrespectful to Islam, esp. cartoon. Frequently seen in Islamic areas such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and England. Patients suffering from Allaholic Frenzy are advised to be cautious when operating machinery or motor vehicles. References. (1). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 6th Edition: DSM-6.” Alutheran – “A forward-thinking progressive who thinks a man should be judged by the colour of his skin, not the content of their character, and who is thus supercilious and condescending towards an Alt-Racist.” Faulty-cultural – “A multi-cultural society gone wrong which tends to occur after importing a backward 7th Century culture incompatible with your societal norms.” Fauxb/Fauxbia/Fauxbic – “The dishonest and slanderous labelling of an individual who publicly questions the narrative imposed by a self-selected moral elite regarding specific favoured groups which share characteristics such as race, gender, sexual preference, religious or cultural belief. e.g. Homofauxbia, Islamofauxbia. The labelled individual is portrayed as suffering from an irrational fear, akin to a dangerous mental illness, of one or more of the favoured groups, thus consciously separating themselves from the societal ‘norm’ and voluntarily surrendering any rights, protections or privileges. This pathologising of dissent is analogous to the historical concept of outlawry, wherein an individual was legally stripped of the rights enjoyed by fellow citizens as the result of an alleged crime committed by the accused. Said outlaw could be ‘hunted’ using means not otherwise permitted by the contemporary legal system. The Post-Rational branding of an individual as a ‘fauxb’ presently submits them for hunting (by any and all persons who express an interest) in a reputational and social sense only, though Self-Elected Retributive Justice Magistrates (SERJMs, or simply RJMs) aim to progress legislation to the point where the hunting of fellow humans is again sanctioned by society as a whole, or its unelected representatives.” NTDWI – “Nothing to do with Islam: Description of a terrorist attack in which a perp yelling something in that Arabic people frequently say when going about their normal daily business, and brandishing a black flag which has some common Arabic phrases kills a bunch of people.” Pollicock – “Political correctness” (remembering ‘poppycock’). Pollikak – “From Collins English Dictionary – C19 from Dutch dialect ‘pappekak’ literally: soft excrement, from ‘pap’ soft + ‘kak’ dung.” Pregressive – “A self-righteous, soi disant ultra-modern thinker who takes his agricultural beliefs from 10,000 BC (pre-farming), social policies from 3000 BC (pre-family groups), marital policies from 1500 BC (pre-Mosaic monogamy), science and technological ideas from 1700 AD (pre-industrial revolution) and economic guidance from 1860 (Marx). Tollerance – “The heavy monetary and social price Western countries have to pay in order to ‘enjoy’ the ‘benefits’ of multiculturalism.” Triggs Point – “The realisation that after broadcasting your contempt for someone in the left media for days that you have completely forgotten the facts of the matter.” Tuppitude – “Sexual intercourse involving sheeple.” Two-bagger – “Your typical leftist/SJW who is as repulsive in the outside as they are on the inside and thus during tuppitude require two paper bags over the head in case the first one falls off.” VisOrama – Panoramic Virtue Signalling (anything from the environment to sexuality to electing a black, Marxist homo as president). Youthajism – “The smug, satisfactory feeling achieved by SJW students as they march, chant and ejaculate meaningless slogans and platitude. Often used as a substitute for the fact that SJWs are largely incapable of getting laid, or if they are then it’s with a two-bagger.” Zyx – “The politically-correct form of ‘Dude.’ i.e. ‘Zyx, check out the pair on that one!” Oh, dear, oh, dearie, me.  Stealing other people's ideas, Soren? Tsk, tsk, plagarism.   ::)  ::) ::)

You sack of pollikak.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 6:44pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:07pm: Soooo - have you decoupled Islam and Muslims? Nope.   However, I recognise there are different types of Muslims.  You claim all Muslims are the same, their beliefs are identical, they are all Terrorists.   In reality, they are a mixed lot, just like Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc.   Most are good, some are bad.   You make no effort to differentiate.   To you, they are all just "Muslims".   Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Get back to us when Muslims or you have decoupled Muslims from Islamic terrorism.

Until then Muslims and you are tainted by Islam.

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 9:16pm:

You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.

that's such a stupid argument. There's no way to tell any white murderer apart either. DO we ban the poms?

Do Poms subscribe to an ideology that promotes the murder of non-Poms?

Or are you just trying to equate race and religion again?

John Smith wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 9:07pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  that's such a stupid argument. There's no way to tell any white murderer apart either. DO we ban the poms?

Islam is an idea. Biology is not.
You choose islam, you don't  choose your biology.

Did you choose to be a swarthy? No. Are you choosing to be an idiot? Yes.

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 9:16pm:

Do Poms subscribe to an ideology that promotes the murder of non-Poms? Or are you just trying to equate race and religion again?

Poms? But, FD, shurely you mean Danes.

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:07pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  that's such a stupid argument. There's no way to tell any white murderer apart either. DO we ban the poms? Islam is an idea. Buology is not.

University of Buology, eh?

We can tell.

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:44pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:07pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  that's such a stupid argument. There's no way to tell any white murderer apart either. DO we ban the poms? Islam is an idea. Buology is not. University of Buology, eh? We can tell.

Typo, pappikak.

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:24pm: Frank wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:44pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:07pm: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 9:16pm: You just can't tell them apart, Muslims and Muslims.  that's such a stupid argument. There's no way to tell any white murderer apart either. DO we ban the poms? Islam is an idea. Buology is not. University of Buology, eh? We can tell. Typo, pappikak.

You'll assimilate in no time, dear boy, we're shure of it.

The left looks away?

Of course it does.

Leftards are backed into a corner.

Submitting to and excusing muslims' terrorism, rather than questioning and denigrating the cause and motivation (islamic doctrine).

How can people be so sick?

Because an honest investigation into the consolidation of islam and worldwide human rights atrocities, would destroy islam.

The left prefers the blood to flow rather than admit they got it wrong.

moses wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:

The left looks away? Of course it does. Leftards are backed into a corner. Submitting to and excusing muslims' terrorism, rather than questioning and denigrating the cause and motivation (islamic doctrine).

If the cause of Islamic terrorism is Islamic doctrine, Moses, why aren't the Jews much worse?

You haven't said.

It's been done to death.

You must get a kick out of reading the answer.

Here we go again one more time for you.

Jewish doctrine was over 1000 years in the making, it is the works of 48 Prophets and 7 Prophetesses.

Consequently Jewish writings cover many different literary styles and subjects.

The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew.

result?

Jews are streets ahead of the muslims in the civilization stakes.

conversely

islamic doctrine is the work of one man, a thief liar pedophile rapist torturer and mass murderer, muhammad.

It spans a very short period of time historically (a few decades).

It is a collection of extremely faulty plagiarism of Jewish and Christian writings, plus a massive amount of exhortation by muhammad to get muslims to rape torture and kill non believers and corrupt muslims.

Due to its' literary style it is conducive to muslims committing atrocities today, 21st century, 2017.

Result?

Today worldwide muslims / islam is nothing more that a death cult.


There's only one answer to the threat of islamic atrocities in the world today.

A thorough review of the evil in the qur'an, which causes and motivates islamic terrorism.

moses wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew.

I agree, Moses. That's why I'm asking you why the Muslims' equally ancient book is a cause of modern terrorism.

Why are Jews not equally compelled to follow the laws of Genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy as you state Muslims are to the Koran?

moses wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:

The left looks away? Of course it does. Leftards are backed into a corner. Submitting to and excusing muslims' terrorism, rather than questioning and denigrating the cause and motivation (islamic doctrine). How can people be so sick? Because an honest investigation into the consolidation of islam and worldwide human rights atrocities, would destroy islam. The left prefers the blood to flow rather than admit they got it wrong.

So, Moses, using your logic, we should question Christianity and it's motivating of Northern Irish Terrorism?  I mean, the PIRA are Catholic, the Ulster Defence Volunteers, Protestant.  Both drawn inspiration from their Christian teachings....   Where does that leave Christianity, Mmmm?  Tsk, tsk,  ::)

moses wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 3:49pm:

It's been done to death. You must get a kick out of reading the answer. Here we go again one more time for you. Jewish doctrine was over 1000 years in the making, it is the works of 48 Prophets and 7 Prophetesses. Consequently Jewish writings cover many different literary styles and subjects. The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew.

Where does that leave the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews, Moses?  They live very much in the ancient past, now don't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

moses wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm: It's been done to death. You must get a kick out of reading the answer. Here we go again one more time for you. Jewish doctrine was over 1000 years in the making, it is the works of 48 Prophets and 7 Prophetesses. Consequently Jewish writings cover many different literary styles and subjects. The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew. Where does that leave the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews, Moses?  They live very much in the ancient past, now don't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

So?? Aborigines want to live in an even more ancient past.

And the Jews don't drive trucks into crowds in France or England or Germany for Moses or Abraham, you dullard.

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:41pm: moses wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm: It's been done to death. You must get a kick out of reading the answer. Here we go again one more time for you. Jewish doctrine was over 1000 years in the making, it is the works of 48 Prophets and 7 Prophetesses. Consequently Jewish writings cover many different literary styles and subjects. The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew. Where does that leave the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews, Moses?  They live very much in the ancient past, now don't they?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) So?? Aborigines want to live in an even more ancient past. And the Jews don't drive trucks into crowds in France or England or Germany for Moses or Abraham, you dullard.

No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::)

I assume Brian, that you include Bryant as a Christian terrorist?  On what basis?  What ideology was he espousing? How was he radicalised?

Moreover, and this is the kicker, how do luvvie clowns reconcile declaring  that alakbahing cultists have nuffin to do wiv Islam, cos Islam is always puppies noses and rainbows but declare a Christian terrorist based on....

What Brian? 

Thank Christ you ain't managing anything to do with security, you would be spending all the money looking under rocks for Hindus and Buddhists.   ;D  ;D

Karnal wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 4:32pm:

moses wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm: The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew. I agree, Moses. That's why I'm asking you why the Muslims' equally ancient book is a cause of modern terrorism. Why are Jews not equally compelled to follow the laws of Genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy as you state Muslims are to the Koran?

It's because the Koran instructs Muslims to go out and slaughter the infidel.  Not a particular infidel and a particular time. The constraints I am aware of are not during the holy months unless it is in self defence, don't slaughter goats or women, and don't slaughter people you have a peace treaty with. This requires no special "interpretation" of the Koran. It is all there in black and white.

Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 5:46pm:

No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::)

TWO THOUSAND years ago, you stupid, stupid bloody idiot!!!

The left,,, all brown skin good - all white skin bad.

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 6:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 4:32pm: moses wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm: The archaic barbarity which reflects society in those days is easily read as belonging to the ancient past, it has no bearing on the modern Jew. I agree, Moses. That's why I'm asking you why the Muslims' equally ancient book is a cause of modern terrorism. Why are Jews not equally compelled to follow the laws of Genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy as you state Muslims are to the Koran? It's because the Koran instructs Muslims to go out and slaughter the infidel.  Not a particular infidel and a particular time. The constraints I am aware of are not during the holy months unless it is in self defence, don't slaughter goats or women, and don't slaughter people you have a peace treaty with. This requires no special "interpretation" of the Koran. It is all there in black and white. Kill the Mushriken wherever you find them.

You've been shown exactly where it says no such thing, FD. However, the Torah instructs Jews to kill Gentiles, seize their livestock and take their children and wives for slaves.

There is no doctrine of self-defence here, merely the admonition that Jews are God's chosen people.

So why are the Jews not terrorists anymore? To date, neither yourself nor Moses have been able to answer this question, despite claiming that the Koran is the root cause of Muslim terrorism - that, and their subhuman Negroid genes.

A plausible theory.

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 5:46pm: No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::) TWO THOUSAND years ago, you stupid, stupid bloody idiot!!!

didn't check the link did you?  :D :D :D

I'm curious, what bombs did they have 2000 yrs ago?

and you call others idiot  :D :D :D :D

Secret Wars wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 6:05pm:

I assume Brian, that you include Bryant as a Christian terrorist?  On what basis?  What ideology was he espousing? How was he radicalised? Moreover, and this is the kicker, how do luvvie clowns reconcile declaring  that alakbahing cultists have nuffin to do wiv Islam, cos Islam is always puppies noses and rainbows but declare a Christian terrorist based on.... What Brian?  Thank Christ you ain't managing anything to do with security, you would be spending all the money looking under rocks for Hindus and Buddhists.   ;D  ;D

Nope, don't include Bryant as a Christian Terrorist at all.   Knight, the anti-Abortionist though, was.    ::)

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 5:46pm: No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::) TWO THOUSAND years ago, you stupid, stupid bloody idiot!!!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Who mentioned "two thousand years" as a figure, Soren?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

miketrees wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 7:34pm:

The left,,, all brown skin good - all white skin bad.

As against the Right?  All Brown Skin bad, all white skin, Good?   Tsk, tsk.  It's interesting how the Right always uses "race" as a reason...   ::)

Islam is a stinking turd of a religion and its illiberal and intolerant practices are given a pass by the left.

Disgusting

Gordon wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Islam is a stinking turd of a religion and its illiberal and intolerant practices are given a pass by the left. Disgusting

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Nothing to see here, folks, just move along, move along.  Just Gordon displaying his tired old Islamophobia again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Islam is a stinking turd of a religion and its illiberal and intolerant practices are given a pass by the left. Disgusting http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Nothing to see here, folks, just move along, move along.  Just Gordon displaying his tired old Islamophobia again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

Yeah mate, people that make women wear a bag over their head. Go on,  defend that level of revolting.

Gordon wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 9:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:13pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:10pm: Islam is a stinking turd of a religion and its illiberal and intolerant practices are given a pass by the left. Disgusting http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Nothing to see here, folks, just move along, move along.  Just Gordon displaying his tired old Islamophobia again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) Yeah mate, people that make women wear a bag over their head. Go on,  defend that level of revolting.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Nothing to see here, folks, just move along, move along.  Just Gordon displaying his tired old Islamophobia again.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)

LOL Bwian and co like to portray Christians as global terrorists threatening the world as we know it and that they carry out more terrorist acts than Muslims.


Now if that isn't delusional idiocy of the highest order, I don't know what is.

They have no credibilty.

As for Jewish Terrorism, yes there has been.

How many acts of Jewish global terrorism is taking place today.  Isn't it true that the Jews themselves brought these extremists under control in a very short time bwian.  When will the Muslims do the same?

No other religion comes close to Islam in terms of promoting the spread of violence and oppression.

John Smith wrote on Jul 17^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 5:46pm: No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::) TWO THOUSAND years ago, you stupid, stupid bloody idiot!!! didn't check the link did you?  :D :D :D I'm curious, what bombs did they have 2000 yrs ago? and you call others idiot  :D :D :D :D

This is where the link takes you, pet rock:

Zealotry in the 1st century[edit]
Main article: Zealotry in Jewish history
According to a paper authored by then Center for Defense Information research analyst Mark Burgess, the 1st century Jewish political and religious movement called Zealotry was one of the first examples of the use of terrorism by Jews.[4] They sought to incite the people of Judaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from Israel by force of arms. The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai, means one who is zealous on behalf of God.[5][6] The most extremist groups of Zealots were called Sicarii.[4] Sicarii used violent stealth tactics against Romans. Under their cloaks they concealed sicae, or small daggers, from which they received their name. At popular assemblies, particularly during the pilgrimage to the Temple Mount, they stabbed their enemies (Romans or Roman sympathizers, Herodians), lamenting ostentatiously after the deed to blend into the crowd to escape detection. In one account, given in the Talmud, Sicarii destroyed the city's food supply so that the people would be forced to fight against the Roman siege instead of negotiating peace. Sicarii also raided Jewish habitations and killed fellow Jews whom they considered apostates and collaborators.

The proof is in the pudding.

Leftards rise in a frenzy of exculpations for global islamic terrorism.

They all prefer the bloodshed death and destruction caused and motivated by islamic doctrine, to a thorough examination of the evil in the qur'an.   

Oh well it'll come as sure as the sun will rise and set.

The world will eventually get sick of the leftard backed islamic atrocities, then turn on the duo of evil (muslims and their apologists).

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:30am:

LOL Bwian and co like to portray Christians as global terrorists threatening the world as we know it and that they carry out more terrorist acts than Muslims. Now if that isn't delusional idiocy of the highest order, I don't know what is. They have no credibilty. As for Jewish Terrorism, yes there has been. How many acts of Jewish global terrorism is taking place today.  Isn't it true that the Jews themselves brought these extremists under control in a very short time bwian.  When will the Muslims do the same?

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 2:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 8:05pm: Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 5:46pm: No, they let bombs off in London, Rome, Cairo, etc. hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, Terrorism is Terrorism, no matter who commits it or what it's reasoning is.    ::) TWO THOUSAND years ago, you stupid, stupid bloody idiot!!! didn't check the link did you?  :D :D :D I'm curious, what bombs did they have 2000 yrs ago? and you call others idiot  :D :D :D :D This is where the link takes you, pet rock: Zealotry in the 1st century[edit] Main article: Zealotry in Jewish history According to a paper authored by then Center for Defense Information research analyst Mark Burgess, the 1st century Jewish political and religious movement called Zealotry was one of the first examples of the use of terrorism by Jews.[4] They sought to incite the people of Judaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from Israel by force of arms. The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai, means one who is zealous on behalf of God.[5][6] The most extremist groups of Zealots were called Sicarii.[4] Sicarii used violent stealth tactics against Romans. Under their cloaks they concealed sicae, or small daggers, from which they received their name. At popular assemblies, particularly during the pilgrimage to the Temple Mount, they stabbed their enemies (Romans or Roman sympathizers, Herodians), lamenting ostentatiously after the deed to blend into the crowd to escape detection. In one account, given in the Talmud, Sicarii destroyed the city's food supply so that the people would be forced to fight against the Roman siege instead of negotiating peace. Sicarii also raided Jewish habitations and killed fellow Jews whom they considered apostates and collaborators.

Mmm, actually it doesn't.  The link takes you to post 1948 Terrorism by Jews, Soren.   You really need to get a proper browser rather than relying on your phone...  Tsk, tsk, still mistaken.   ::)

moses wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 3:25pm:

The proof is in the pudding. Leftards rise in a frenzy of exculpations for global islamic terrorism. They all prefer the bloodshed death and destruction caused and motivated by islamic doctrine, to a thorough examination of the evil in the qur'an.    Oh well it'll come as sure as the sun will rise and set. The world will eventually get sick of the leftard backed islamic atrocities, then turn on the duo of evil (muslims and their apologists).

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The Australian Government web site tells us.

Australian National Security

listed terrorist groups

1. Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)

2. Al-Murabitun

3. Al-Qa'ida (AQ)

4. Al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)

5. Al-Qa’ida in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS)

6. Al-Qa’ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)

7. Al-Shabaab

8. Ansar al-Islam

9. Boko Haram

10. Hamas' Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades

11. Hizballah's External Security Organisation (ESO)

12. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan

13. Islamic State

14. Islamic State in Libya (IS-Libya)

15. Islamic State Sinai Province (IS-Sinai)

16. Jabhat al-Nusra

17. Jaish-e-Mohammed

18. Jamiat ul-Ansar (JuA)

19. Jemaah Islamiyah (JI)

20. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

21. Lashkar-e Jhangvi

22. Lashkar-e-Tayyiba

23. Palestinian Islamic Jihad

The muzzies seem to be pretty high on the database of listed terrorists by the Australian Government.

Yet the leftards prefer to wallow in the blood of innocent men women and children, rather than admit that islamic doctrine is a global threat right here/right now, the 21st century. 

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

moses wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:25pm: The proof is in the pudding. Leftards rise in a frenzy of exculpations for global islamic terrorism. They all prefer the bloodshed death and destruction caused and motivated by islamic doctrine, to a thorough examination of the evil in the qur'an.    Oh well it'll come as sure as the sun will rise and set. The world will eventually get sick of the leftard backed islamic atrocities, then turn on the duo of evil (muslims and their apologists). http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Tsk tsk tsk oh dearie dearie me bwian.
Why are YOU running away?
Just answer my questions, there's a good coward.  Put some factual meat on those disingenuous bones bwian.
List all those Terrorist attacks, that took place in Australia. :D :D :D :D
List all those terrorist attacks, you claim re O/S.
Then explain in answer to my other question why have the Jews been able to end and control this behaviour yet Muslims cannot. :D :D :D :D :D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

What Christian terrorists? What bible motivation? Is there no end to your faux parallels and baseless comparisons?

Frank wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:48pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) What Christian terrorists? What bible motivation? Is there no end to your faux parallels and baseless comparisons?

Oh, dear, now trying to ignore the reference I provided yesterday, in the other thread, Soren?

Such disingenuousness.  Such foolishness.   Forgotten  Peter James Knight?  He shot and killed a security guard at the East Melbourne Abortion Clinic which he attacked on 16 July 2001.  He was motivated by Christian belief about the sanctity of life.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Tsk tsk tsk oh dearie dearie me bwian.
Why are YOU running away?
Just answer my questions, there's a good coward.  Put some factual meat on those disingenuous bones bwian.
List all those Terrorist attacks, that took place in Australia. :D :D :D :D
List all those terrorist attacks, you claim re O/S.
Then explain in answer to my other question why have the Jews been able to end and control this behaviour yet Muslims cannot. :D :D :D :D :D
Come on bwian surely you need to have some credibility.
No? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:48pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) What Christian terrorists? What bible motivation? Is there no end to your faux parallels and baseless comparisons? Oh, dear, now trying to ignore the reference I provided yesterday, in the other thread, Soren? Such disingenuousness.  Such foolishness.   Forgotten  Peter James Knight?  He shot and killed a security guard at the East Melbourne Abortion Clinic which he attacked on 16 July 2001.  He was motivated by Christian belief about the sanctity of life.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

As your own reference says, "This incident is the only killing by an anti-abortion activist in Australia's history.

But in your mind there is some parallel between the worldwide islamic jihad and knight's  crime? You think you have demonstrated something important that others have missed. You think you have somehow demonstrated that there is no difference between jihad and that single murder as far as the culpability of religions in concerned.


If so, you have the answe to why you are held in contempt and are seen as a complete, unalloyed idiot.

Frank wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 10:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:19pm: Frank wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 6:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:48pm: Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  So the zealot speaks who refuses to examine the role that The Bible plays in motivating and excusing Christian Terrorists.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) What Christian terrorists? What bible motivation? Is there no end to your faux parallels and baseless comparisons? Oh, dear, now trying to ignore the reference I provided yesterday, in the other thread, Soren? Such disingenuousness.  Such foolishness.   Forgotten  Peter James Knight?  He shot and killed a security guard at the East Melbourne Abortion Clinic which he attacked on 16 July 2001.  He was motivated by Christian belief about the sanctity of life.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) As your own reference says, "This incident is the only killing by an anti-abortion activist in Australia's history. But in your mind there is some parallel between the worldwide islamic jihad and knight's  crime? You think you have demonstrated something important that others have missed. You think you have somehow demonstrated that there is no difference between jihad and that single murder as far as the culpability of religions in concerned.

Soren, both Islamist and Christian Terrorism are inspired by the wrong interpretations of the religions which underlay them.

Jihad, BTW, means literally "struggle".   It does not mean "Terrorism".   The MSM and lazy fools like yourself have perverted it's meaning in the minds of many people to mean "Terrorism".    Were you aware that the Mujihadeen who fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan were undertaking their own personal Jihads?  "Jihadis" is another perverted word.  A person who takes up arms for religious reasons is referred to in Islamic teachings as a "Mujihadeen". I've known a Muslim woman who's first name was "Jihad".   Given to her by her parents after a difficult delivery which was literally a "struggle".   Jihad can be a physical, a religious or a mental struggle to achieve an objective.   It can be peaceful, sometimes it can be violent, it all depends on the circumstances.   If anything, is similar to the Christian concept of crusade which can be both a personal or an impersonal one.

Knight was inspired by Christianity.  A bad, wrong interpretation of that teaching.   Islamists are inspired by Islam.  A bad, wrong interpretation of that teaching.   See the similarity yet?   ::)


Quote:

If so, you have the answe to why you are held in contempt and are seen as a complete, unalloyed idiot.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Nothing to see here, just Soren's tired old ad hominem insults.  Move along folks, move along.   Tsk, tsk.   We always know when you're losing the argument, Soren 'cause you resort to your childish hurling of faeces.   ::)

Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 10:52pm:

Tsk tsk tsk oh dearie dearie me bwian. Why are YOU running away? Just answer my questions, there's a good coward.  Put some factual meat on those disingenuous bones bwian. List all those Terrorist attacks, that took place in Australia. :D :D :D :D List all those terrorist attacks, you claim re O/S. Then explain in answer to my other question why have the Jews been able to end and control this behaviour yet Muslims cannot. :D :D :D :D :D Come on bwian surely you need to have some credibility. No? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

As per usual bwian is just trying it on, he's got nothing as per usual.  You're looking pretty bad there bwian... :D :D :D :D :D

Oh bwiaaaannnn


Grendel wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 3:40pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 10:30am: LOL Bwian and co like to portray Christians as global terrorists threatening the world as we know it and that they carry out more terrorist acts than Muslims. Now if that isn't delusional idiocy of the highest order, I don't know what is. They have no credibilty. As for Jewish Terrorism, yes there has been. How many acts of Jewish global terrorism is taking place today.  Isn't it true that the Jews themselves brought these extremists under control in a very short time bwian.  When will the Muslims do the same?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

Jihad can be a physical, a religious or a mental struggle to achieve an objective.   It can be peaceful, sometimes it can be violent, it all depends on the circumstances.

;D ;D ;D

"it depends on the circumstances".

Jihad is not just struggle, Brian. It is struggle in Allah's way - that is, struggle to be true to the word of the Koran. There is no 'radical' and 'moderate' Islam, only Islam.

What you might call 'radical' Islam is simply a preparedness to completely fulfil Allah's commands. They believe the exact same thing as the 'moderates' who are just not as prepared to act as the 'radicals'. And you can't tell a Muslim who is completely devoted to enact Allah's commands from the ones who aren't. But there is no difference in what they believe - it's the final unalterable and eternal word and commands of Allah.

Here you go, chapter 9 uses the term Jihad 8 times, in the context of encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313

Frank wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:42pm:  Jihad can be a physical, a religious or a mental struggle to achieve an objective.   It can be peaceful, sometimes it can be violent, it all depends on the circumstances.  ;D ;D ;D "it depends on the circumstances".

Exactly, FD.  Excellent, you're finally starting to catch on!  Well done.  Soon, we'll see an end to this Islamophobia, won't we?   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 6:28pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:42pm:  Jihad can be a physical, a religious or a mental struggle to achieve an objective.   It can be peaceful, sometimes it can be violent, it all depends on the circumstances.  ;D ;D ;D "it depends on the circumstances". Exactly, FD.  Excellent, you're finally starting to catch on!  Well done.  Soon, we'll see an end to this Islamophobia, won't we?   ::) ::)

Circumstances determined entirely by jihadi standards.

In any case, jihad is about murdering the infidel for Allah, for Allah's glory, for the triumph of Allah. Nothing else.

The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people.

Face it....  bwian is simply a USEFUL IDIOT....fits the definition of one perfectly.

He has nothing useful or truthful to contribute. :D :D :D :D :D

Frank wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:28pm: Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 2:42pm:  Jihad can be a physical, a religious or a mental struggle to achieve an objective.   It can be peaceful, sometimes it can be violent, it all depends on the circumstances.  ;D ;D ;D "it depends on the circumstances". Exactly, FD.  Excellent, you're finally starting to catch on!  Well done.  Soon, we'll see an end to this Islamophobia, won't we?   ::) ::) Circumstances determined entirely by jihadi standards. In any case, jihad is about murdering the infidel for Allah, for Allah's glory, for the triumph of Allah. Nothing else.

Is it?  According to whom?  You?  FD?  Other Islamophobes?   Jihad literally means "struggle", Soren.   Struggle, nothing more.   Some Muslims us it to describe their struggle against addiction, against sin, others use it to describe taking up arms to resist what they perceive as Islamist attack or Christian attack.   Tsk, tsk.   You really do need to put some real study into Islam, Soren, you really do.    ::)

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people.

No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 8:06pm: The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people. No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::)

Muhammad would have had them assassinated.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 8:06pm: The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people. No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::)

He is as mad as you.  But only you boast about it because you lack even the most rudimentary self awareness, Bwian.
How pitiful and pathetic you are.

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2017 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 8:06pm: The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people. No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::) Muhammad would have had them assassinated.

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Frank wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 9:19pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2017 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 8:06pm: The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people. No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::) He is as mad as you.  But only you boast about it because you lack even the most rudimentary self awareness, Bwian. How pitiful and pathetic you are.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, it's just Soren with his tired old ad hominem arguments again.   ::)

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2017 at 8:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20th, 2017 at 6:10pm: freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2017 at 8:06pm: The circumstances always involved Muhammad killing people. No they don't, FD.    I've known a Muslim who undertook "Jihad" against an ice-cream company which inadvertently use some italic writing to describe their ice cream which when turned on it's side, resembled Arabic for "Allah".   He wanted them to change it.  No violence, just letter writing.     ::) Muhammad would have had them assassinated.

And yet this Muslim did not.  Funny old world, hey, FD?   Your Islamophobia, betrayed by reality, yet again.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Gee bwian how many posts are you going to make that aren't simply ad hom attacks and trolling of your opponents here eh?

So far about 99% of your posts are simply crap.

Islam and its enablers and defenders (Bwian, gandalf, kameel, gweg, Gino, Arsie, Mothra et al) are enemies of free speech as it has been understood in the West since French and American revolutions (that is, since the founding of Australia).

Exhibit No 47,985:

Richard Dawkins is dragged into America’s tedious free-speech war
Douglas Murray    23 July 2017

Richard Dawkins is, by any standards, one of the most famous scientists on the planet. His books have brought writing about science to a world-wide audience. One recognition of this achievement is that just this week his book ‘The Selfish Gene’ was voted the most inspiring science book of all time in a public poll commissioned by the Royal Society.

However it is important that the gentle denizens of a city like Berkeley be prevented from hearing from such a person. There were to have an opportunity next month, when KPFA in Berkeley were due to host an evening centred around Professor Dawkins’s new book ‘Science in the Soul: Selected Writings of a Passionate Rationalist'. But people who had booked tickets for this event have just received the following email:

Dear Richard Dawkins event ticket buyers,

We regret to inform you that KPFA has canceled our event with Richard Dawkins. We had booked this event based entirely on his excellent new book on science, when we didn’t know he had offended and hurt – in his tweets and other comments on Islam, so many people.

KPFA does not endorse hurtful speech. While KPFA emphatically supports serious free speech, we do not support abusive speech. We apologize for not having had broader knowledge of Dawkins views much earlier. We also apologize to all those inconvenienced by this cancellation. Your ticket purchases will automatically be refunded by Brown Paper Tickets.
Sincerely,

KPFA Radio 94.1 FM

If I were one of the recipients of such an email I would not just spit on my Brown Paper refund, I would (hoping that Professor Dawkins might forgive the allusion) turn my back on KPFA and Berkeley and shake the dust from my feet.

What is this nonsense? We didn’t know that a distinguished scientist who we are lucky enough to have been hosting has expressed his views on earlier occasions? We are sorry that one of the world’s most famous atheists turned out to have expressed views on religion? We are sorry that one of the world’s most famous atheists who we were about to host has ‘blasphemed’ Islam when we had assumed he was just a good old blasphemer of Christianity and every religion except Islam? I do sometimes wonder why the Ayatollah’s advance guard in places like Berkeley don’t just move to Qom and be done with it.

Anyhow – for his part Professor Dawkins is well rid of these people. Who would have wanted to have slipped through the modern censor’s net only to find yourself speaking to an audience of bed-wetting nice people who have a problem sitting through any event where they have to listen rather than jabber? People who think they know the difference between ‘serious free speech’ (any speech they themselves might venture to utter) and ‘non-serious free speech’ or ‘abusive speech’ (speech uttered by the rest of the world – because they say so).

As I say, Professor Dawkins is well rid of his ignorant hosts. But does anyone else sense that the territory on which people are allowed to actually speak freely is narrowing these days?
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/richard-dawkins-is-dragged-into-americas-tedious-free-speech-war/

This is a famous example of what is happening on these boards, in Australian and Western  media outlets, workplaces, schools, universities.

Selectively standing up for Islam has become a dishonourable thing, like standing up for Nazi Germany in 1938 and denouncing those who didn't believe the 'peace in our time' bromides then.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Soren's Islamophobia, again.  Tsk, tsk, not even worth reading really.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 28^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Soren's Islamophobia, again.  Tsk, tsk, not even worth reading really.   ::)

You stupid bastard.
You won't  read it because it discredits you and you have no valid arguments to make to counter it.
You are, at once, a cunning fascist and a mindless mong. There are millions of you, stupid besterd. Millions.

https://vladtepesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ikke-se.JPG.jpg

Personally, I have my own issues with Dawkins, especially since his stroke. Before that he seemed to be taking a much more rational view about comparative religions if I recall correctly.

But he is an outstanding scientist in the field of evolutionary biology. His books should be compulsory reading for high schools, most notably The Selfish Gene; which is both a great explanation of evolution as well as applied game theory,

But the fact that he was cancelled for saying something true about Islam as a doctrine from speaking at a major alleged university, should give enough evidence for the reasonable man, that Greek thought is dead and replaced with an ephemeral and ever changing form of cultural Marxism or Postmodernism. That we are all guilty of thought and speech crimes and won’t know which ones till they come for us. Just ask Kevin J. Johnstone. He didn’t break any actual laws in a society of rule of law. But he did piss off a Muslim member of Trudeau’s cabinet and after all, in the third world, its not what laws you break but how the powerful feel about your values. Canada and the US are racing towards 3rd world status with Canada slightly in the lead.
https://vladtepesblog.com

ISLAM _ THE LEFT LOOKS AWAY
In bwian's case, he has his head stuck up his proverbial.
Nothing to see here folks... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic

Frank wrote on Jul 29^th, 2017 at 10:17am:

https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic

jeez what a wanker.

He must get off on mocking tinted people.

Crown the cnt.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2017 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17am: https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic jeez what a wanker. He must get off on mocking tinted people.

Tinted opportunistic wankers are exposed.

Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims?
And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment?

Do explain it, if you can, invader.

Frank wrote on Jul 29^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:45pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17am: https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic jeez what a wanker. He must get off on mocking tinted people. Tinted opportunistic wankers are exposed. Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader.

Pakistan houses the second or third highest number of refugees in the world, dear boy - after Lebanon and Turkey.

Not racist, of course. Tintedness is not a race.

Karnal wrote on Jul 29^th, 2017 at 11:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:45pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17am: https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic jeez what a wanker. He must get off on mocking tinted people. Tinted opportunistic wankers are exposed. Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader. Pakistan houses the second or third highest number of refugees in the world, dear boy - after Lebanon and Turkey. Not racist, of course. Tintedness is not a race.

No matter how many times its pointed out to him, he just keeps bringing it up. Incredible.

Karnal is the biggest colour talking racist on the site.
You can hardly blame people using his terminology back at him now can you.

The ME and many Muslim countries are a basket cases BTW.

They should be expected to solve their own problems and their people should seek asylum in their own Ummah.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 8:26am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:59pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:45pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17am: https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic jeez what a wanker. He must get off on mocking tinted people. Tinted opportunistic wankers are exposed. Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader. Pakistan houses the second or third highest number of refugees in the world, dear boy - after Lebanon and Turkey. Not racist, of course. Tintedness is not a race. No matter how many times its pointed out to him, he just keeps bringing it up. Incredible.

They are not settling them even though they are Muslims. They are keeping them in limbo.

Why don't Somalis go to Egypt and start a new life? Or Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Morocco, Tunesia?

Why Europe, US, Australia, full of kuffars? Why?  Why aren't Muslim refugees given a new life in Muslim countries?  THAT is incredible.

Frank wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 8:26am: Karnal wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 11:59pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 7:45pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17am: https://youtu.be/XVEP4YZfuic jeez what a wanker. He must get off on mocking tinted people. Tinted opportunistic wankers are exposed. Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader. Pakistan houses the second or third highest number of refugees in the world, dear boy - after Lebanon and Turkey. Not racist, of course. Tintedness is not a race. No matter how many times its pointed out to him, he just keeps bringing it up. Incredible. They are not settling them even though they are Muslims. They are keeping them in limbo. Why don't Somalis go to Egypt and start a new life? Or Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Morocco, Tunesia? Why Europe, US, Australia, full of kuffars? Why?  Why aren't Muslim refugees given a new life in Muslim countries?  THAT is incredible.

No, dear boy, why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, and all the other wonderfully islamic countries?

In the words of your poetess, please explain?

Frank wrote on Jul 29^th, 2017 at 10:03pm:

Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader.

A recent tragedy exposes Frank's BS:


Quote:

The migrants, who included some young women, had headed to war-torn Yemen in order to then seek opportunities in Gulf countries. Already this year, 55,000 migrants from the Horn of Africa have taken the hazardous route, the IOM said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/african-teen-migrants-27deliberately-drowned27-off-yemen/8792390

There's no doubt about it islam has buggered everything it has touched.

Death destruction poverty illiteracy inbreeding the list goes on and on.

All because some deformed psychopath decided to change the attributes of an ancient moon god allah.

The irony is they all worship the causes of their problems, muhammad islam & allah.

muslims embedded in a putrid quagmire of religious depravity, all convinced the only way out is to go deeper into the degenerate morass they are in right now.. 

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 2:43pm:

Quote: The migrants, who included some young women, had headed to war-torn Yemen in order to then seek opportunities in Gulf countries. Already this year, 55,000 migrants from the Horn of Africa have taken the hazardous route, the IOM said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/african-teen-migrants-27deliberately-drowned27-off-yemen/8792390

If that was true, G, Frank would be the first to apologize and admit his mishtake. Frank, you see, comes from a superior breed/culture. He has ethics.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm: Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader. A recent tragedy exposes Frank's BS: Quote: The migrants, who included some young women, had headed to war-torn Yemen in order to then seek opportunities in Gulf countries. Already this year, 55,000 migrants from the Horn of Africa have taken the hazardous route, the IOM said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/african-teen-migrants-27deliberately-drowned27-off-yemen/8792390

Muslim Arabs let Muslim Arabs die while seeking protection from Muslim Arabs - and they blame Europeans.

And that's 'exposing' Europeans.  Possible only when your mind is infected with simultaneous Koranic superiority and victimhood - an oxymoron, but not for Muslims.

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 2:43pm: Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:03pm: Why don't  muslim refugees go to Egypt,  saudi, pakistan, all the other wonderfully islamic countries? Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims? And when they are given protection they demand special islamic treatment? Do explain it, if you can, invader. A recent tragedy exposes Frank's BS: Quote: The migrants, who included some young women, had headed to war-torn Yemen in order to then seek opportunities in Gulf countries. Already this year, 55,000 migrants from the Horn of Africa have taken the hazardous route, the IOM said. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-10/african-teen-migrants-27deliberately-drowned27-off-yemen/8792390 Muslim Arabs let Muslim Arabs die while seeking protection from Muslim Arabs - and they blame Europeans. And that's 'exposing' Europeans.  Possible only when your mind is infected with simultaneous Koranic superiority and victimhood - an oxymoron, but not for Muslims.

You see?

You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? Not just hint and wink.


No, you won't.  You are too stupid for that.

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki?

Done.

I'm Scottish, by the way. You?

Not Australian?
Whatever you are karnal its very sad and pathetic.
Time you grew up innit. :D

Frank wrote on Aug 10^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki?

ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2017 at 12:44pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:13pm: You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question?

The spanish, italians, greeks are resqueing muslim boat people near their shores - yemeni and gulf arab muslims let muslim boat people die near their shores. Muslims would seek asylum from other muslims if they could get the help, resettlement services, and chances they are given by the kuffar Westerners acting on  Christian, not islamic principles.

That is the actual point.

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:44pm: Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:13pm: You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question? The spanish, italians, greeks are resqueing muslim boat people near their shores - yemeni and gulf arab muslims let muslim boat people die near their shores. Muslims would seek asylum from other muslims if they could get the help, resettlement services, and chances they are given by the kuffar Westerners acting on  Christian, not islamic principles. That is the actual point.

Intelligence and integrity, you see.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:50am:

Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:35am: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:44pm: Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:13pm: You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question? The spanish, italians, greeks are resqueing muslim boat people near their shores - yemeni and gulf arab muslims let muslim boat people die near their shores. Muslims would seek asylum from other muslims if they could get the help, resettlement services, and chances they are given by the kuffar Westerners acting on  Christian, not islamic principles. That is the actual point. Intelligence and integrity, you see.

Not on your part.

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 1:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:50am: Frank wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 9:35am: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:44pm: Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:13pm: You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question? The spanish, italians, greeks are resqueing muslim boat people near their shores - yemeni and gulf arab muslims let muslim boat people die near their shores. Muslims would seek asylum from other muslims if they could get the help, resettlement services, and chances they are given by the kuffar Westerners acting on  Christian, not islamic principles. That is the actual point. Intelligence and integrity, you see. Not on your part.

No, old boy, on your part. Your squishy, evasive, yeah-but-no-but mendacity doesn't even begin to describe your dishonesty here. You have, as ever, been proven to be a fake - on stilts.

Have another stool - have two. Your cultural superiority is a fraud. We now know who the real Paki is.

University of Balogney, innit. Sister-school of the Faculty of Pakistani Studies, Lahore.

So where are we with this thread after all these pages.

Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture?

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:20pm:

So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture?

We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman.

Superior culture, innit.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit.

Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous. 

Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D

How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :)

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit.

So not tolerating the intolerance of conservative Islam means you've abandoned your progressiveness? Sounds a bit Joseph Heller to me.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :)

There are indeed soldiers on the corners of some European streets, son. I'm not sure why you think the intolerant are being tolerated.

Gordon wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. So not tolerating the intolerance of conservative Islam means you've abandoned your progressiveness? Sounds a bit Joseph Heller to me.

No, Gordon, making stuff up is not tolerated by Western reason. We Westerners gave that up after the invention of impericism, the scientific revolution and the Enlightenment.

Don't blame me. I don't make the rules.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :) There are indeed soldiers on the corners of some European streets, son. I'm not sure why you think the intolerant are being tolerated.

The soldiers ain't there to demonstrate tolerance, they are there to protect innocent bystanders from the alakbahing cultists. 

Lessons from Europe innit.  No wonder you chose to ignore that little lump in the mung beans.    ::)

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :) There are indeed soldiers on the corners of some European streets, son. I'm not sure why you think the intolerant are being tolerated. The soldiers ain't there to demonstrate tolerance, they are there to protect innocent bystanders from the alakbahing cultists.  Lessons from Europe innit.  No wonder you chose to ignore that little lump in the mung beans.    ::)

What, you want Australia to put soldiers on the streets?

What for?

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 4:46pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :) There are indeed soldiers on the corners of some European streets, son. I'm not sure why you think the intolerant are being tolerated. The soldiers ain't there to demonstrate tolerance, they are there to protect innocent bystanders from the alakbahing cultists.  Lessons from Europe innit.  No wonder you chose to ignore that little lump in the mung beans.    ::) What, you want Australia to put soldiers on the streets? What for?

I do?  Maybe you can quote what I said that led you to that conclusion. 

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 4:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 4:46pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:57pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 3:50pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:23pm: Gordon wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:20pm: So where are we with this thread after all these pages. Have we at least all agreed that the values of conservative Islam is a polar opposite of modern progressive western culture? We agree that, Gordon. Others, however, have turned their back on modern progressive Western culture in their pursuit of the Muselman. Superior culture, innit. Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  Bollards on the streets, cultural diversity innit.  ;D How soon till we prove how tolerant we are with soldiers on the corners to accompany the bollards?  :) There are indeed soldiers on the corners of some European streets, son. I'm not sure why you think the intolerant are being tolerated. The soldiers ain't there to demonstrate tolerance, they are there to protect innocent bystanders from the alakbahing cultists.  Lessons from Europe innit.  No wonder you chose to ignore that little lump in the mung beans.    ::) What, you want Australia to put soldiers on the streets? What for? I do?  Maybe you can quote what I said that led you to that conclusion.

Sure.


Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 3:57pm:

The soldiers ain't there to demonstrate tolerance, they are there to protect innocent bystanders from the alakbahing cultists.  Lessons from Europe innit.

Comprehension is an issue for you Karnal, lessons from Europe, said it about three times, hell you quoted it.

We got the bollards, how long till the troops on the corners...like Europe.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 5:06pm:

Comprehension is an issue for you Karnal, lessons from Europe, said it about three times, hell you quoted it. We got the bollards, how long till the troops on the corners...like Europe.

You're right, son, no conprende. What lesson are you trying to teach us here?

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:06pm: Comprehension is an issue for you Karnal, lessons from Europe, said it about three times, hell you quoted it. We got the bollards, how long till the troops on the corners...like Europe. You're right, son, no conprende. What lesson are you trying to teach us here?

No lesson.  Who is us?  The voices in your head again?  ;D ;D ;D

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 6:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:03pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:06pm: Comprehension is an issue for you Karnal, lessons from Europe, said it about three times, hell you quoted it. We got the bollards, how long till the troops on the corners...like Europe. You're right, son, no conprende. What lesson are you trying to teach us here? No lesson.

Good-o. Let us know when you've got another lesson from Europe.

I'll be there in a few weeks. I'll show you the piccies.

Karnal knocking back a few beers with the locals, Karnal getting a back-rub off a horny bird, Karnal getting his ring kissed by the pope, Karnal getting chucked out of the pub, Karnal punching on with the soldiers on the streets...

Let that be a lesson to you, son.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:06pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:03pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:06pm: Comprehension is an issue for you Karnal, lessons from Europe, said it about three times, hell you quoted it. We got the bollards, how long till the troops on the corners...like Europe. You're right, son, no conprende. What lesson are you trying to teach us here? No lesson.  Good-o. Let us know when you've got another lesson from Europe. I'll be there in a few weeks. I'll show you the piccies. Karnal knocking back a few beers with the locals, Karnal getting a back-rub off a horny bird, Karnal getting his ring kissed by the pope, Karnal getting chucked out of the pub, Karnal punching on with the soldiers on the streets... Let that be a lesson to you, son.

I look forward to the pictures. You will post them won't you?

I hope you and the voices in your head all have a nice holiday.  :)

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 12:44pm: Frank wrote on Aug 10th, 2017 at 9:13pm: You will explain where i went wrong in my reasoning, won't  you, paki? ummm.. completely evading the actual point, contradicting yourself and resorting to ad hominem? Or was this a trick question? The spanish, italians, greeks are resqueing muslim boat people near their shores - yemeni and gulf arab muslims let muslim boat people die near their shores. Muslims would seek asylum from other muslims if they could get the help, resettlement services, and chances they are given by the kuffar Westerners acting on  Christian, not islamic principles. That is the actual point.

Oh I think I understand Frank, so when you said:

Why  are they all leaving the 'islamic lands' and seek 'protection' from the the christian kuffars from their fellow muslims?

you didn't actually mean that all of the asylum seekers are only going to christian/kuffar lands to seek protection - you really meant to say that there are in fact 10s of thousands seeking protection in other muslim lands every year - yes? Simple enough mistake to make I suppose.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:

No, old boy, on your part. Your squishy, evasive, yeah-but-no-but mendacity doesn't even begin to describe your dishonesty here. You have, as ever, been proven to be a fake - on stilts. Have another stool - have two. Your cultural superiority is a fraud. We now know who the real Paki is. University of Balogney, innit. Sister-school of the Faculty of Pakistani Studies, Lahore.

You are lying and you know it.

Muslim countries are not re-settling the millions of Muslims refugees, made refugees by Islam's civil war.   They keep them in holding pens to dehumanise, degrade and then unleash onto the kuffar.  There is NO permanent resettlement program for Muslim refugees in Muslim countries to meet the challenge of Muslim refugees. They do not give a shite and are keen to pass the problem they have created onto the kufar.


Most of them are not even signatories to the Convention.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 2:30pm:

Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

Frank wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:16pm: No, old boy, on your part. Your squishy, evasive, yeah-but-no-but mendacity doesn't even begin to describe your dishonesty here. You have, as ever, been proven to be a fake - on stilts. Have another stool - have two. Your cultural superiority is a fraud. We now know who the real Paki is. University of Balogney, innit. Sister-school of the Faculty of Pakistani Studies, Lahore. You are lying and you know it.

Now we know what you mean by lying, dear boy.

You mean telling the truth.

A simple mistake to make, no?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

No no, every day in every way, the old boy is getting better and better.

More squishy, more mendacious, more stupid, more yeah-but-no-but, more stilts.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

::)  you do your cause no favours.  You do yourself no favours.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. ::)  you do your cause no favours.  You do yourself no favours.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:53pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. ::)  you do your cause no favours.  You do yourself no favours. There's a lesson in there somewhere.

There is.  Lies and mendacity.  Not a good look from you and Gandalf but hey, all is fair in love and war innit. 

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:57pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:53pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. ::)  you do your cause no favours.  You do yourself no favours. There's a lesson in there somewhere. There is.  Lies and mendacity.  Not a good look from you and Gandalf but hey, all is fair in love and war innit.

We're all friends here, Secret, but let's test your theory out on Frank.

Frank, do you uphold the use of porkies in your campaign against the tinted races? A simple yes or no will suffice.

We'll wait and see, shall we?

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

Not a theory Karnal, misrepresentation writ large. 

Lies and mendacity innit.  ::)

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. Not a theory Karnal, misrepresentation writ large.  Lies and mendacity innit.  ::)

Sorry, Secret, that's another one of your incomprehensible lessons. Shall we ask FD?

FD, are you okay with using lies and mendacity in your campaign against the Muselman?

Thanks in advance. Secret's working on a theory about misrepresentation.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 7:28pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous.

Karnal is hopping about running a desperate distraction and hearing voices as per usual, but is this an example of the taqiyya I have heard about?

Do all cultists lie? Why the misreprentation, lies and mendacity Gandalf?

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. Karnal is hopping about running a desperate distraction and hearing voices as per usual, but is this an example of the taqiyya I have heard about?

Hard to say, Secret. Was it a distraction to raise the point that Muslim refugees only go to Western Christian countries?

Or was it a distraction to point out that this is a cunning old boy ruse?

Questions questions. Let's wait for the old boy and FD to come back with their answers, shall we?

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:20pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:14pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 7:28pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:30pm: Or maybe on viewing the lessons from Europe there is a growing awareness that tolerating the intolerant is a waste of frigging time and dangerous.  You're probably right. And yet I have a soft spot for Frank, I just don't have the heart to close the door on him completely - even though, as you point out, indulging his lies and mendacity is indeed a waste of frigging time and dangerous. Karnal is hopping about running a desperate distraction and hearing voices as per usual, but is this an example of the taqiyya I have heard about? Hard to say, Secret. Was it a distraction to raise the point that Muslim refugees only go to Western Christian countries? Or was it a distraction to point out that this is a cunning old boy ruse? Questions questions. Let's wait for the old boy and FD to come back with their answers, shall we?

You are sounding increasingly shrill Karnal as well as slightly unhinged. The voices in your head getting too loud?

I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity.

Taqiyya innit.   ;D

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D

I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board.

He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board.

The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001.

I don't see any apology. I see a deliberate misreprentation of what I posted.  If you ain't stupid you see it as well.

If you and Gandalf are trying to prove that cultists are lying mendacious buggers then congratulations, mission accomplished.

Enjoy your holiday in Europe, I look forward to the photos, include some bollards and armed soldiers won't you. 

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. I don't see any apology. I see a deliberate misreprentation of what I posted.  If you ain't stupid you see it as well. If you and Gandalf are trying to prove that cultists are lying mendacious buggers then congratulations, mission accomplished. Enjoy your holiday in Europe, I look forward to the photos, include some bollards and armed soldiers won't you.

I've seen a few bollards/armed soldiers in the Philippines, Thailand and Sri Lanka, son, so I promise not to freak out too much.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001.

X2

Ah the zealots, Prog left and Useful idiots still up to no good I see.
Oh dear, even that idiot Karnal is still badgering away like a whirling Dervish.

So many posts and not one bit of sense karnal, even for you that's hard to beat eh. :D

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 6:56pm:

The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West:

Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation.

Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation.

You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law.

Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.   

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2017 at 8:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001.

He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion.


If you were really being honest you would accept that an act of omission (not answering) is also considered a lie by most people.


They fact he is very good at it and allows the gullible to be drawn in, shows he is very skillful and you lot are well ..........

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 9:02am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion.

In all the years I've read G's posts here, he has never avoided a question or evaded a point. Not once. He regularly admits problems with his religion and its followers.

Compare this with Frank, who is now lying low - or FD, who refuses to answer nearly every question put to him.

Both of these posters are not religious followers. G is. What does that say about your sky fairy thesis?

Lastone wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 8:55am:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West: Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation. You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law. Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.

Thanks for an insightful post, Lapstone. The ultimate point is that Israel's wall is built on illegally occupied land. Israel has ignored UN resolutions for years. It's in breech of international law.

Frank will hiss and froth and carry on like an old bag lady, but this is the law. Yes, it's complicated, but until Israel is ready to sit down and negotiate its illegal territories, they will face resistance.

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:02am: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion. In all the years I've read G's posts here, he has never avoided a question or evaded a point. Not once. He regularly admits problems with his religion and its followers. Compare this with Frank, who is now lying low - or FD, who refuses to answer nearly every question put to him. Both of these posters are not religious followers. G is. What does that say about your sky fairy thesis?

He has avoided a few of mine over the last few weeks alone. He will answer easy questions before and after, but not mine.


Not that I give a fkk, but I do object to you blowing sunshine up his arse about something that is patently untrue.

Lastone wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 8:55am:

Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West: Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation. You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law. Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.

There was no palestine as a country when israel was established and recognised by the un.  Jordan also occupied the west bank until 1967. Nobody complained because jordan was palestine from 1948.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:02am: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion. In all the years I've read G's posts here, he has never avoided a question or evaded a point. Not once. He regularly admits problems with his religion and its followers. Compare this with Frank, who is now lying low - or FD, who refuses to answer nearly every question put to him. Both of these posters are not religious followers. G is. What does that say about your sky fairy thesis? He has avoided a few of mine over the last few weeks alone. He will answer easy questions before and after, but not mine. Not that I give a fkk, but I do object to you blowing sunshine up his arse about something that is patently untrue.

Which questions?

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:02am: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion. In all the years I've read G's posts here, he has never avoided a question or evaded a point. Not once. He regularly admits problems with his religion and its followers. Compare this with Frank, who is now lying low - or FD, who refuses to answer nearly every question put to him. Both of these posters are not religious followers. G is. What does that say about your sky fairy thesis? He has avoided a few of mine over the last few weeks alone. He will answer easy questions before and after, but not mine. Not that I give a fkk, but I do object to you blowing sunshine up his arse about something that is patently untrue. Which questions?

You expect me to remember exactly which questions I asked a specific person over a period of a few weeks?


Yeah I work my way back through every post and get back to you.



Just in case you are of any doubt about me answering your question, it isn't going to happen, don't want you getting your combat panties all bunched up.

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:33pm:

Lastone wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 8:55am: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West: Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation. You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law. Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.    There was no palestine as a country when israel was established and recognised by the un.  Jordan also occupied the west bank until 1967. Nobody complained because jordan was palestine from 1948.

Abstraction 1: squishy, reflexive, yeah-but-no-but mendacity. Israel's borders were established in 1948, as every schoolboy knows. It captured Jerusalem, the West Bank and other territory in 1967, and despite numerous UN resolutions, has refused to get out.

Your other abstractions will include your same old points like Israel needing this territory to defend itself and God promising these territories to Israel in 4000-odd BC. Ultimately, you'll say that might is right.

If you can throw in an "I'm not racist, Islam is not a race," you'll cover the lot.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:38pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:30pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:23pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:02am: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:40pm: Secret Wars wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 8:25pm: I am only addressing what I posted,  the points I made and the deliberate misreprentation which was done hilariously by Gandalf posting about lies and mendacity. Taqiyya innit.   ;D I don't think anyone can actually understand the points you say you made, Secret, but G probably has more integrity than any other member of this board. He's balanced, patient, rational, insightful, always knowledgable about what he speaks, and he never lies. Never ever. If he's ever made a mistake here, he's apologised like a grown-up and and taken it on board. The old boy is no more than a hack. He's incapable of an independent thought, and he couldn't lie straight in bed. His posts are, at best, mindless repetitions of the same 5 posts he's made since 2001. He won't lie that's for sure, but he will refuse to answer a question because the truth is so unpalatable and would turn people against him and his religion. In all the years I've read G's posts here, he has never avoided a question or evaded a point. Not once. He regularly admits problems with his religion and its followers. Compare this with Frank, who is now lying low - or FD, who refuses to answer nearly every question put to him. Both of these posters are not religious followers. G is. What does that say about your sky fairy thesis? He has avoided a few of mine over the last few weeks alone. He will answer easy questions before and after, but not mine. Not that I give a fkk, but I do object to you blowing sunshine up his arse about something that is patently untrue. Which questions? You expect me to remember exactly which questions I asked a specific person over a period of a few weeks?

Of course. How do you know they went unanswered? You've forgotten which threads you even asked them in.

Karnal wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:27pm:

Lastone wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 8:55am: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West: Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation. You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law. Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.    Thanks for an insightful post, Lapstone. The ultimate point is that Israel's wall is built on illegally occupied land. Israel has ignored UN resolutions for years. It's in breech of international law. Frank will hiss and froth and carry on like an old bag lady, but this is the law. Yes, it's complicated, but until Israel is ready to sit down and negotiate its illegal territories, they will face resistance.

Hitting back at your illegal attackers (1967) and defending yourself against them (wall) is not  "illegal", it is the only sane thing. If the arabs hadnt atttacked israel in 67 the West bank would be still occupied by jordan - or might have become palestine by now. But for the muslims the very existence of israel is unbearable ( not the non-existence of palastine.)

Frank wrote on Aug 13^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:27pm: Lastone wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 8:55am: Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 6:56pm: The Lefty looneys were poo-pooing the wall Israel had to build to defend itself against Muslim terror. And then came the anti-Muslim barriers all over the West: Now you see here I have to disagree with you. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinian is one of competing Nationalisms. The Palestinians contend that the Jewish homeland was built on Palestinian Land.To mislabel the situation in Israel and the "Occupied Territories" as "Muslim Terror" shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. Firstly, international Law states that a people denied the right to self determination are considered to be acting in self-defence should they take up arms. The denial of the right to self determination is considered to be the act of aggression. Also under international Law people under Military occupation from a foreign power are entitled to resist that occupation. You will note that during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, groups and individuals that resisted the occupation were called insurgents, not terrorist. I will agree with you that driving a truck into a crowded street in London or Paris is and act of terrorism, but driving a truck into a military check point in the Palestinian occupied territories is a legitimate form of resistance under international Law. Now some propagandist would label it as an act of terrorism because it suits their political agenda.However to label the Palestine Israel conflict as Muslim terrorism would be like suggesting the American Revolution was simply a puritan revolt.    Thanks for an insightful post, Lapstone. The ultimate point is that Israel's wall is built on illegally occupied land. Israel has ignored UN resolutions for years. It's in breech of international law. Frank will hiss and froth and carry on like an old bag lady, but this is the law. Yes, it's complicated, but until Israel is ready to sit down and negotiate its illegal territories, they will face resistance. Hitting back at your illegal attackers (1967) and defending yourself against them (wall) is not  "illegal", it is the only sane thing. If the arabs hadnt atttacked israel in 67 the West bank would be still occupied by jordan - or might have become palestine by now. But for the muslims the very existence of israel is unbearable ( not the non-existence of palastine.)

While moot, you make a worthy point. Israel may well face resistance if it moved back to its original borders, but it will always face resistance if it doesn't. Israel occupies illegal territory.

This is an existential problem for Israel, as every Israeli schoolboy knows.