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Message started by Gordon on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:36pm

Title: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Gordon on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:36pm
Pakistan village council orders 'revenge rape' of girl

he extended family members all lived within metres of each other, in a small village near a river bank in Pakistan's largest province, Punjab.

It was in this village in Muzaffarabad, a suburb of the city of Multan, where the first of two rapes took place.

A daughter of the family, around the age of 12 or 13, was cutting the grass in nearby fields on July 16 when a teenage boy covered her with a cloth and raped her, police said. The boy was a 16-year-old relative of hers.

In the days that followed the girl's rape, the family's elders gathered together in shock and anguish, seeking to resolve what had happened

"They are victims and accused at the same time," Younis said. "It's barbaric."

Indeed, the case was shocking. But it was not entirely unheard of – such "honour" crimes still take place in some parts of Pakistan and India. But what made this case different was that somebody spoke up, and authorities took action.

The individual rapes were reported to the Violence Against Women Centre in Multan, and authorities pursued the arrests of the two men accused. But as they investigated the cases, police learned there were dozens of additional family members involved, Younis said.

Authorities ordered the arrests of 29 people – all members of the extended family. Of those, 25 have already been taking into custody, including the first of the accused assailants.

Family members admitted to police that the second rape was ordered as retaliation for the first one. But they asserted that the decision was a consensual one between the two families.

A representative from the Violence Against Women Centre told the Pakistani newspaper Dawn that the mother of the first accused man had offered either of her two married daughters to settle the score, on the condition that the first victim's family would not take legal action against her son. But the family elders, the panchayat, demanded that she hand over her unmarried teenage daughter to be raped as punishment.

The two men accused of rape could face a maximum punishment of the death penalty, Younis said, but "that is up to the court".

The "revenge rape" has spurred outrage in Pakistan and prompted the country's chief justice on Thursday to order the inspector general of Punjab police to submit a report regarding the case, according to Dawn.

It has shed light on the continued prevalence of the panchayat system, an informal village governance system in which village leaders have been known to settle disputes over women with forced marriages, stonings and other punishments.

This was a very distinct type of a panchayat comprised entirely of elders in the same extended family. Most panchayats take the form of a village council with leaders from different, unrelated families in the neighbourhood.

Human rights lawyer and activist Asma Jahangir on Wednesday urged the government to take further action to crack down on all panchayats, which she said have no legal standing.

"Panchayats have no standing and the courts have stated the same," Jahangir told Geo News. "If they act outside of law, then the panchayat and its members should be prosecuted according to law."

The horrific story also underscored the problem of violence against females in Pakistan, which has ranked as the world's third most dangerous place for women, according to a 2011 Thomson Reuters Foundation expert survey. More than 1000 women and girls are victims of "honour killings" every year, according to Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.

But progress has been made. Last year, Punjab lawmakers gave unprecedented protection to female victims of violence, passing a new law that criminalises all forms of violence against women, whether domestic, psychological or sexual. It also mandated the establishment of women's shelters an

http://www.smh.com.au/world/pakistan-village-council-orders-revenge-rape-of-girl-20170727-gxkck3.html

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Aussie on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:00pm
all arrested for their behaviour? In a muslim country? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :o :o :o :o ::)

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:00pm:
all arrested for their behaviour? In a muslim country? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :o :o :o :o ::)



Imagine! Astonishing, yes?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:15pm
They are as muslim as can be. And nothing in i slam tells them that this is wrong and barbaric.
It fits in with islam. But you bastars rush to say it has nuffin to do wiv nuffin. You are dishonest and stupid and despicable. And you will never change.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by John Smith on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:17pm
::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:19pm

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:15pm:
They are as muslim as can be. And nothing in i slam tells them that this is wrong and barbaric.
It fits in with islam. But you bastars rush to say it has nuffin to do wiv nuffin. You are dishonest and stupid and despicable. And you will never change.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:25pm

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:15pm:
They are as muslim as can be. And nothing in i slam tells them that this is wrong and barbaric.
It fits in with islam. But you bastars rush to say it has nuffin to do wiv nuffin. You are dishonest and stupid and despicable. And you will never change.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

You get your bearings from Demento - of course. I have been telling you for a long time and finally you concede.  Demented. Deranged.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:26pm
I think the song has a lot of important lessons for you, Frank.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by freediver on Jul 30th, 2017 at 8:05am

Aussie wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.


Aussie you often cite your own ignorance of Islam as a justification for your views. Why are you now prepared to reassure us that something is not in the Koran?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Aussie on Jul 30th, 2017 at 9:46am

Quote:
Aussie you often cite your own ignorance of Islam as a justification for your views. Why are you now prepared to reassure us that something is not in the Koran?


Because it would be daft that a religious text of any kind would suggest that if your Son rapes the Daughter of Bob, then Bob's Son may rape your Daughter.

If I'm wrong about the Koran on this point, just cite the relevant part of piss off with your sanctimony.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by freediver on Jul 30th, 2017 at 9:55am
So you don't think the Koran says anything that is "daft"?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Aussie on Jul 30th, 2017 at 10:24am

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 9:55am:
So you don't think the Koran says anything that is "daft"?


No citation I see, Effendi.....just more of your argumentative rubbish.  Get back to me when you have the relevant text from the Koran.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by freediver on Jul 30th, 2017 at 10:30am
I'm just trying to understand your logic in defending Islam by insisting something is not in the Koran, while elsewhere you cite your own ignorance of Islam to justify your defence of the religion.

If you concede that the Koran contains daft things, then the fact that it would be daft for the Koran to say this is not a rational argument for why it is not in there.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Yadda on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:05pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.




ARGUMENT;
ISLAMIC law [i.e. the following of ISLAM and the 'influence' of ISLAM] always informs the actions and the behaviour of any 'proper' moslem, and, the societal 'mores' which are evident witin every moslem majority nation.


That argument is made in this article.



Quote:

Pakistan Village Council Orders 'Revenge Rape' of 16-Year-Old Girl

By Rick Moran            2017-07-26

A Pakistani jirga (village council) ordered the rape of a 16-year-old girl in retaliation for a rape on a 12-year-old committed by the girl's cousin, according to police sources.


.....This isn't typical of Islam.

You're an Islamophobe if you try and connect what happened to the little girl, whose family agreed to watch her being raped, to the Islamic faith.

Islam is a religion of peace and love.

There's nothing in the Koran to justify this.

At least, that's the argument that will be made by Islam's apologists.


Indeed, I have no idea if such behavior is sanctioned by the Koran.

But no reasonably informed, rational person can deny that Islam informs and animates the lives of these people and even if there isn't a specific passage in the Koran that justifies it, Islam has its stamp all over this outrage.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/07/26/pakistan-village-council-orders-revenge-rape-of-16-year-old-girl/



He makes the argument, that even if this appalling crime is        not explicitly      sanctioned within the Koran,            the moral RESPONSIBILITY for this appalling travesty of common justice          can be 'sheeted home' to ISLAM,              because Pakistan is a society that is overwhelmingly dominated by 1/ ISLAM, 2/ the influence of ISLAMIC law and by the influence of 3/ ISLAMIC cultural traditions.



TWO OBVIOUS Q's THAT ARISE FROM THIS INCIDENT....

1/ Why       DIDN'T      the Pakistani jirga (village council) choose to punish the rapist ?

2/ Why       DID        the Pakistani jirga (village council) choose to punish an innocent party [the rapists sister],          for a crime which was committed by another person [the rapist] ?



Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Yadda on Jul 30th, 2017 at 1:40pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.




Where are the denunciations from all the TOP MULLAHS or all the top PROFESSORS OF SHARIA LAW ?


Quote:

mortimer says      

July 28, 2017 at 8:20 am

Where are the denunciations from all the TOP MULLAHS or all the top PROFESSORS OF SHARIA LAW ?

They are silent. They all know that Islam is HOPELESSLY BACKWARD, STUCK in the 7th CENTURY and CANNOT BE REFORMED. Moreover, the mullahs and professors of Islamic studies all know better than anyone, that their lives will worthless and short after they speak out against NORMATIVE Sharia law punishments.

ISLAMIC BARBARITY CANNOT BE REFORMED, because that is the SUNNA–the sacred example–of Mohammed, the supposedly ‘perfect man’. RAPE is the SUNNA of MOHAMMED and enshrined in Koran 4.23.24......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/07/pakistan-girl-raped-in-front-of-family-for-brothers-alleged-crime#comment-1713663



ISLAM is a wholly unjust and barbaric philosophy, imo.

And it is in large measure ISLAM's barbaric nature, which protects the ISLAMIC ideology from any influence of 'revision'.

Any honest [and informed] person knows        what       ISLAM is, and also knows that 'reform' of ISLAM is impossible.

ISLAMIC history is littered with the bodies of those moslems who dared to suggest, to fellow moslems, that they felt some aspect of ISLAM required 'change'.

Those moslems who walk down that 'mis-taken' path are very often killed by their own 'compatriots'.




Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I think the song has a lot of important lessons for you, Frank.


Such as?

What re-education do I need, Commissar Mothra?


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.

So then I want people like that in my country?
"Oh, it's not the Koran, they are primitive in a freelancing kinda way".
"Very well, let them all in then! We need more barbarians"


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Aussie on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:30pm
Abos are already here......in case you have not noticed.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by John Smith on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:35pm
I find it hilarious that FD condemns the Koran for telling people to rape (according to him), but defends those that said the same thing about Yassmin Abdel-Magied as simply partaking of their right to free speech :D :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 31st, 2017 at 8:50am

Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Abos are already here......in case you have not noticed.

So we do have enough barbarians of our own, no need to import others.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 31st, 2017 at 10:31am

Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I think the song has a lot of important lessons for you, Frank.


Such as?

What re-education do I need, Commissar Mothra?



You need even that explained to you?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 31st, 2017 at 4:37pm

mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 10:31am:

Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 10:26pm:
I think the song has a lot of important lessons for you, Frank.


Such as?

What re-education do I need, Commissar Mothra?



You need even that explained to you?



I only asked because I was sure you couldn't articulate it.
And so you couldn't.


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 31st, 2017 at 5:56pm
Alas Frank. You'd best hope no-one else watched the youtube.

Because if they had, they'd be having quite the titter about you right now.

You will, as usual, miss the joke, ignore the opportunity to chill the hell out, get grumpy and insult me. Or someone else. Or both of us. And them some more people some more times.

It's our relationship. It's how you roll. And we wouldn't have you any other way, Old Bean.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Jul 31st, 2017 at 9:54pm
And so you can't  articulate it.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Jul 31st, 2017 at 10:10pm
;D

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 1st, 2017 at 10:35am
Can someone articulate this for Frank? He seems to be having problems understanding it.

I can't. I'm laughing too hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 1st, 2017 at 7:28pm

mothra wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 10:35am:
Can someone articulate this for Frank? He seems to be having problems understanding it.

I can't. I'm laughing too hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

That's not you, you thick, frightened, ignorant, tendentious little idiot.

Do YOU have a voice of your own, you stupid little puppet?


No.





Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by JaSinner on Aug 1st, 2017 at 8:10pm
Sounds like just another grubby excuse to irresponsibly over-populate an already over-populated nation.

Two Wrongs not making a Right.


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:53pm

mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 10:10pm:
;D

Exactly - you cannot articulate your own ideas.

Because they are not yours, puppet.


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Rhino on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:55pm
Mothras a cut and paste expert, original or independent thought isnt her bag.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:58pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
I find it hilarious that FD condemns the Koran for telling people to rape (according to him), but defends those that said the same thing about Yassmin Abdel-Magied as simply partaking of their right to free speech :D :D :D :D :D


Freeeeedom, innit.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:00pm

Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 29th, 2017 at 9:47pm:
I's so glad this was consequenced.

It is an abomination that such things should happen.

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv it, of course. Totally random abomination.


Bet there is nothing in the Koran which refers to this.

Sounds more tribal/cultural/social than religion based.

Sorta like revenge spearing among the aboriginals.

So then I want people like that in my country?


Which country's that, Frank? You haven't said.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Karnal on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:03pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 10:24am:

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 9:55am:
So you don't think the Koran says anything that is "daft"?


No citation I see, Effendi.....just more of your argumentative rubbish.  Get back to me when you have the relevant text from the Koran.


Now now, Aussie. Effendi has a link to one of his own threads.

FD?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:17pm
Will nobody summarise this for Frank and Rhino?

The only clue i'm giving is that it is excellent advice for the pair of them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Rhino on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:18pm

rhino wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:55pm:
Mothras a cut and paste expert, original or independent thought isnt her bag.
And right on cue to support my statement, lol.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:19pm

rhino wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:18pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:55pm:
Mothras a cut and paste expert, original or independent thought isnt her bag.
And right on cue to support my statement, lol.



Did you find yourself incompatible with the message, Rhino?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Rhino on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:22pm

mothra wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:19pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:18pm:

rhino wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 9:55pm:
Mothras a cut and paste expert, original or independent thought isnt her bag.
And right on cue to support my statement, lol.



Did you find yourself incompatible with the message, Rhino?
No, I found you incompatible with any intelligent thought.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:23pm
And you and Frank have just been made fools of. By me.

What does that make you?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:23pm
Again.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Rhino on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:25pm
;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Rhino on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:28pm
Wonder what goes on in Mothras mind sometimes. Always good for a laugh though.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:30pm
Did you watch the youtube, Rhino?

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:31pm
You mustn't have.

Tres amusement ....  ;D

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:49pm

mothra wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Will nobody summarise this for Frank and Rhino?

The only clue i'm giving is that it is excellent advice for the pair of them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcb_7TNF6Uk

You cannot articulate your own ideas.

Because they aren't yours, puppet.


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 4th, 2017 at 11:05am
Well clearly Rhino watched the youtube, and has been silenced.

Look Frank, i'll make you a deal. You watch the clip, then i''ll summarise it. You can see if i get it right.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:34pm

mothra wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 11:05am:
Well clearly Rhino watched the youtube, and has been silenced.

Look Frank, i'll make you a deal. You watch the clip, then i''ll summarise it. You can see if i get it right.

Go on then.



Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:54pm
Watch the youtube first. You haven't watched the youtube.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2017 at 8:37pm

mothra wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Watch the youtube first. You haven't watched the youtube.

I did.

Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2017 at 8:39pm
A Marxist student group at Swarthmore College disbanded itself earlier this year after realizing that its members were too rich and too white to be real commies.

According to screenshots confidentially provided to Campus Reform by an individual with access to the group’s private Facebook page, the demise of the Swarthmore Anti-Capitalist Collective (SACC) came in the wake of a farewell letter from a member who had decided the group could never be an effective proponent of “unproblematized anticapitalist politics” due to its “history of abuse, racism, and even classism.”

“From my understanding SACC disbanded because they realized the makeup and tactics of their group was at odds with their espoused principles,” Swarthmore Conservative Society President Gilbert Guerra told Campus Reform. “Their main support base was middle-upper class white kids who enjoy jogging.”

The farewell letter corroborates Guerra’s understanding, asserting that “SACC’s fundamental failure” was that “at its formation, it was made up of entirely white, with the exception of one person of color*, students,” and to make matters worse, “not one of [the founding members] are from low-income and/or working class backgrounds.”

Arguing that “low-income people of color should never be an afterthought in a group whose politics supposedly focus on their liberation,” the author then went on to accuse SACC of having a “history of abuse, racism, and even classism that was never adequately addressed or recognized despite constantly being brought up as an issue.”



Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by Frank on Aug 4th, 2017 at 8:40pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbHlM_UT6p4

lenin - the ballet.

;D ;D


Title: Re: Sentenced to be raped
Post by mothra on Aug 7th, 2017 at 12:51pm

Frank wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 8:37pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Watch the youtube first. You haven't watched the youtube.

I did.



You quite obviously didn't. Why lie?

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