Whenever there is a racist incident we hear people talk about the need for more education. And, to be fair, a lot of racism does stem from a lack of education, but that is only true for those who soak up the racist rhetoric in Australian media and politics, not those who create and exploit that racism in the first place, Luke Pearson says.

We talk about racism in the 21st Century as an anomaly, a throwback to the outdated ideas of yesteryear that for some unknown reason still manage to linger in the hearts and minds of too many, otherwise lovely, white Australians.

We talk about how racism impacts on our health, how it limits education and employment opportunities, and we talk a lot about how it feels to be on the receiving end of it. We still try to get people to develop empathy and we still ask, “If you prick us, do we not bleed?” as though Shakespeare wasn’t making that exact point about racism back sometime around the 1590s. Personally, I am sick of being asked to rip the band-aid off every time to show that I bleed blood as red as anyone else.

What we don’t talk about, however, is that racism drives profits and power. Not just the One Nation type of political power either, but all of it. Major political parties tread lightly on these issues and although some may provide lovely sound bites about multiculturalism or 'progress', they still too often support racist policies, from the NT Intervention through to watering down the Native Title Act or the Racial Discrimination Act.

The reality is that racism has always been a useful and effective tool for power, profit, and control.

I read somewhere, many years ago, that ‘Europeans didn’t become slave traders because they were racist. They became racists because they were slave traders’. The argument being that in order to sustain such a brutally horrific, but highly profitable, practice as slavery while also being able to maintain a self-image of being ‘good Christians’ it was necessary to dehumanize and demonise those who were being enslaved. This led to ‘scientific’ arguments of black people being less evolved and not really human, and Biblical arguments of black people being the ‘sons of Ham’ and as such cursed by God, in need of punishment for perceived sins, and thereby justifying their exploitation, murder, and enslavement.

The history of racism is too often explored through the lens of it being a lack of education, empathy, or understanding. Instead, it should be looked at as a highly effective and complex tool for the acquisition of land, exploitation of resources, sourcing free or cheap labour, and as a convenient scapegoat to avoid blame for those in power.

There is not a lot of racism that exists today that doesn’t in some way still serve one or more of the above stated  needs, and no amount of feel-good anti-racism education for those who use racism to gain power and/or make profit is going to change this.

When we look at racism in this light we no longer feel compelled to say ‘I can’t believe this is still happening in 2017!’, because we understand that racism is not just a throwback to outdated scientific beliefs of social Darwinism, and we also understand that human and civil rights are not on a slow but steady incline towards greater understanding and inevitable equality.

Racism has not reduced or disappeared over the years on this; it has simply become more elusive; more sophisticated. Overt racism may have slowed down for a few decades after the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s, and it must be acknowledged that significant wins have since enshrined in law; particularly concerning segregation and other exclusionary practices and policies. However, the strategically made argument that these policies represented not just a decrease in racism but that it actually went too far and created ‘reverse racism’ ensured that the shift in racism was limited to the shift from overt to covert, and not in its actual dismantling. This process has actively blurred the social understanding of what constitutes racism to the point that there are those who argue that any acknowledgement of race constitutes racism, particularly when it involves using the word 'white' in any context whatsoever.

The only purpose the colour-blind racism theory serves is making conversations about racism impossible. Racism gets reduced to merely being prejudice, and the role of societal power and privilege is completely ignored. Any argument, no matter how shallow, is used to claim that racism doesn't exist; is not a factor in a given incident; or only exists because people keep mentioning it. If that does not suffice then finding any Aboriginal person who will agree that racism doesn't exist is used to argue against all those who think it does (this strategy works for climate change against 97% of the scientific community, so it isn't too surprising to see how effective it can be on issues of racism).

The shift from overt to covert racism meant that the statistics that once demonstrated without question the impacts of racism are once again being used to justify it. Incarceration rates, child removal rates, unemployment rates and other statistics that highlight the impacts and consequences of discrimination and inequality are now more commonly used to justify an unspoken but clearly hinted at belief in innate criminality, a lack of paternal and maternal instincts, and moral and cultural deficits.

http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/sites/sbs.com.au.nitv/files/styles/body_image/public/20-02-2017_1-11-27_pm.png?itok=4UItnCSF&mtime=1487728398

The catch cry of ‘We need to keep Australia white’ was replaced with ‘We need to protect our way of life’. The slavery of Aboriginal people in Australia has been replaced with ‘work for the dole’ and prison labour. The displacement of Aboriginal people on reserves and missions for land grabs has been replaced with closing remote communities because of ‘lifestyle choices’, the forcing of remote Aboriginal communities onto long term leases, and the constant watering down of native title rights. These changes are only in branding not in substance, and certainly not in impact and effect. The end result is always the same; dispossession, disempowerment, regulation, and control.

Overt racism still exists of course, and has become increasingly popular in politics over the past few years. Asians are apparently 'swamping' again, this time along with Muslims as well. Asylum seekers have all become illegal immigrants. Any mention of difference or diversity or inequality is now labelled 'divisive'. And it is now acceptable again to argue that all non-white Australians need to assimilate.

Despite this, the national dialogue about racism in Australia still ignores this and is too often limited to ‘casual racism’, and education aimed at building empathy is all too often the only solution that we are interested in putting forward at a national level. The goal of anti-racism is aimed at making white people feel good and alleviating themselves of any sense of responsibility or culpability rather than looking at how we dismantle the systems that perpetuate racism as the status quo. Even that seemingly lofty goal would still be insufficient. We cannot simply dismantle existing systems, we must replace them with new ones that empower Indigenous people within them and do what Malcolm Turnbull has become very fond of saying but refuses to actually do - systems that do things with us and not to us, and that are driven by Indigenous people ourselves. And just for the record, no... having an Indigenous friend or partner isn't 'reconciliation in action'.

Acknowledging white privilege is not the same thing as giving it up, or fighting against it.

And whenever we encounter racism we are expected to calmly and rationally explain why it is racist, and provide solutions that do not require anything more than a superficial change or acknowledgement to fix it.

As long as this remains, we can rest assured that the systems in place that maintain racism and inequality will remain unchallenged, and our grandchildren will one day say to each other, “Wow, I can’t believe racism is still a thing in 2077!”

Acknowledging white privilege is not the same thing as giving it up, or fighting against it.

Racism is not simply borne of ignorance, and no amount of walking across bridges or photos of a white hand shaking a black hand will make it less appealing to those who exploit it for profit and power.

There is definitely a role in education for reducing the symptoms of racism, but I don't think it will be enough to ever address its root causes.

I don’t know how (or if) we can eradicate racism, but I hope recognising racism as more than just misguided attitudes, hurt feelings, and the purported mental health status of political correctness might be a good start.

http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2017/02/22/comment-racism-not-simply-education-issue

Indeed - it is a very twisted, over-used, distorted and one way issue..... plenty more where that came from....

I suppose that pointing out those truths makes me a racist...... anyone who doesn't swallow the turd whole is an enemy of the turd purveyors....

With an attitude like that, no wonder people reject their position.....

People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia??

Can we also talk about non-white racism or is this confined to a white bashing exercise ?

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Can we also talk about non-white racism or is this confined to a white bashing exercise ?

Well mothra did put the post up so probably yes.

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Can we also talk about non-white racism or is this confined to a white bashing exercise ?

Did you read the article, Gordy?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia??

I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully.

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully.

I've noticed with Indians if they are a minority in an area with lot's of aussies like Coffs they'll integrate. If not then you'll get western Sydney like Harris Park.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully. I've noticed with Indians if they are a minority in an area with lot's of aussies like Coffs they'll integrate. If not then you'll get western Sydney like Harris Park.

Pretty much. If only some of the lovey doveys here (who live in the whitest places in Australia) could get their arses down to Lakemba.  ;D ;D ;D

Now let me drag you by the hand,
And walk you through the streets of Bankstown,
I'll show you something,
That's bound to change your mind....

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully.

How was the water and the waves?  Any big fellas out there hunting for lunch?  White meat or dark?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully. How was the water and the waves?  Any big fellas out there hunting for lunch?  White meat or dark?

We only stopped in Woolgoolga for coffees and a nappy change but there was a nice but small point break.

When we were floating out the back I got talking to a local. By the sound of his accent and manner he's been here forever, probably descended from the first banana farmers.  Funny thing is the guy with him was a fresh off the boat curryshitter who was the other guy's cousin who'd just immigrated.  How good is that for trying to integrate

Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism.

Typical.

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical.

How is applauding integration and a good surf with a curryshitter racism?

Gordon wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical. How is applauding integration and a good surf with a curryshitter racism?

:o

It's not just me, right?

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:49pm: mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:47pm: Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical. How is applauding integration and a good surf with a curryshitter racism? :o It's not just me, right?

You need to pay a visit to lakemba.
It's not a happy place.

Typical Mothballs crap.
Wassup couldn't work it out for yourself?

Here you go...


Quote:

racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/ noun noun: racism     prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

A dictionary defn that agrees with my personal definition.
That was quite a load of erroneous bias you posted BTW, in case you didn't notice.

There is a difference between racism and common sense.

Sometimes one must be logically zenophobic for the betterment and safety of the civilization.

If one introduces species of creatures that dont fit in, do not contribute to the health or environment or that have a negative impact on the existing environment, is it not sensible to preclude these from entering that environment?
We stop foreign animals coming into Australia, to protect Australian animals.
We stop the import of foriegn plants to prevent destruction of native species.

Surely you will not lable this as plantiphobic or animalophoboc.
It is just sensible control.

As we have seen, with rabbits and cane toads, importing the wrong species has catastrophic effect on the environment.

So to we must prevent the import of toxic cultures, cultures that cause disharmony or perpetrate ill feelings simply by being what they are.
This CULT brings violence wherever it goes, and beyond.
It is itself totally intolerant, racist and regilionistic.
It tolerates nothing but its own and seeks to eliminate all others in its sick drive to destroy everything not islam.

Every country that has welcomed this CULT has see crime grow exponentially.
Every country that has taken in this CULT has had its welfare rorted and decimated by its followers.
Every country that has given refuge from the horrors of countries that are controlled by this its own cult, denigrate, insult and create harm to that countries people.

This is not a CULT of peace, its teachings are openly violent and warfare focussed.
This CULT brings destruction wherever it goes.

Its not racism, because there is no one race.
But this CULT uses racism to promote its own agenda of control.

It is religionism that this CULT practices, in that it refuses to allow any other religion to practice openly.
This CULT demands its rights to practice in every other country.
But in CULT governed countries no other religion os allowed.

Who is the true racist?
Who is truely intolerant?

Its not racism to want to protect oneself, its common sense.

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical.

Considering that the world is seeing white people becoming more and more marginalised as the world population explodes with Indians, Africans and Middle Eastern people playing a game of "me wanty", you can bet that every year we are going to hear more and more (or perhaps less, with numbers shrinking) white people wanting to protect their race, culture, and heritage. This is not 1930 Australia, where we can import exclusively and selectively from 1/3rd of the world's population who are mainly (nearly all) white. We are now having to select people from all over the world. These people are not going to move to another non-white society, where they don't feel safe. They are moving to where white people live.

Until you understand that women having 1.8 children on average is not going to see white people having a majority by 2040, you will understand the xenophobia that is cranking up today.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

Indeed - it is a very twisted, over-used, distorted and one way issue..... plenty more where that came from.... I suppose that pointing out those truths makes me a racist...... anyone who doesn't swallow the turd whole is an enemy of the turd purveyors.... With an attitude like that, no wonder people reject their position.....

Well put.

It's always a one way ticket with this racist crap.

Any contradiction, criticism & counter opinion is racist.

Every offense taken is because the speech, action or suggestion is racist.

The continuing/continual perpetuation of the myth that only whitey is or can be racist.

You should chuck your cracked record in the bin Mothballs & make an appointment for a repress.

Gnads wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 8:40am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: Indeed - it is a very twisted, over-used, distorted and one way issue..... plenty more where that came from.... I suppose that pointing out those truths makes me a racist...... anyone who doesn't swallow the turd whole is an enemy of the turd purveyors.... With an attitude like that, no wonder people reject their position..... Well put. It's always a one way ticket with this racist crap. Any contradiction, criticism & counter opinion is racist. Every offense taken is because the speech, action or suggestion is racist. The continuing/continual perpetuation of the myth that only whitey is or can be racist. You should chuck your cracked record in the bin Mothballs & make an appointment for a repress.

ironically though, it is the person taking offense who suffers the most.
it is the person who gets all butt hurt and creates a cry baby narrative who will then refuse to take action and personal responibility for their predicament.

whiteys need to be careful here too.

its easy for a whitey to feel the PC government is victimising him and then get all butt hurt and not take action.

if the PC government is victimising white christian males, then the best course of action is to remain very focused on your mission in life. move up. hustle, take massive action.
create a great business, surround yourself with positive people who dont give a F*ck.
then you can really enjoy your success as a guy who went thru the fire.
when you are sitting around the pool in the 5 star resort with your killer babe of a wife, you will know you "earnt that".

ever notice how when losers go on holidays, they have a different look to guys who earnt it.

the more they oppress you
the more difficult they make it
the more obstacles the PC brigade put in your path, the more you have to love it.
its all good.
when you are totally crushing it in life and they are still playing the victim card, you will know you made the right decision  ;)

I think it is very racist and bigoted of a very very large number of third world immigrants and refugees that they are not assimilating as quickly as possible. Coming to Australia and the West and still carrying on like they are in some third world enclave is deeply offensive because of its racist disdain for Australia.

No wonder these people get back what they are putting out.

aquascoot wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 8:56am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 8:40am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: Indeed - it is a very twisted, over-used, distorted and one way issue..... plenty more where that came from.... I suppose that pointing out those truths makes me a racist...... anyone who doesn't swallow the turd whole is an enemy of the turd purveyors.... With an attitude like that, no wonder people reject their position..... Well put. It's always a one way ticket with this racist crap. Any contradiction, criticism & counter opinion is racist. Every offense taken is because the speech, action or suggestion is racist. The continuing/continual perpetuation of the myth that only whitey is or can be racist. You should chuck your cracked record in the bin Mothballs & make an appointment for a repress. ironically though, it is the person taking offense who suffers the most. it is the person who gets all butt hurt and creates a cry baby narrative who will then refuse to take action and personal responibility for their predicament. whiteys need to be careful here too. its easy for a whitey to feel the PC government is victimising him and then get all butt hurt and not take action. if the PC government is victimising white christian males, then the best course of action is to remain very focused on your mission in life. move up. hustle, take massive action. create a great business, surround yourself with positive people who dont give a F*ck. then you can really enjoy your success as a guy who went thru the fire. when you are sitting around the pool in the 5 star resort with your killer babe of a wife, you will know you "earnt that". ever notice how when losers go on holidays, they have a different look to guys who earnt it. the more they oppress you the more difficult they make it the more obstacles the PC brigade put in your path, the more you have to love it. its all good. when you are totally crushing it in life and they are still playing the victim card, you will know you made the right decision  ;)

Whitey doesn't have to be a Christian ..... just white.

5 Reasons It's Difficult To Explain Racism To Casual Racists

People have a lot of interesting excuses when they're caught being racist. "I'm not racist," they say ...

"... I have lots of black friends!"

"... you're the racist for making it about race!"

"... I'm just being honest about the facts!"

"... I was just making a joke!"

Why do they tell these obvious, transparent lies? Do they think you're that dumb? Maybe. But maybe they aren't lies at all. Maybe they really believe this stuff, as crazy as that seems. Here's how that might happen.

#5. They're Not Sure What Your Endgame Is

So the goal of calling out someone on their racism, theoretically, is to get the "I'm Not A Racist!" person (let's call her Natasha Not-A-Racist) to acknowledge her own racist attitude or action and change it. Let's say the confronter (Yvonne Yes-You're-Racist) wants to get Natasha to stop saying "wetback." She's not trying to punish Natasha; she just wants her to stop calling all the Latinos in the office by a word that implies the only reason they could possibly be in the U.S. is they illegally swam across the Rio Grande, and all will proceed as before.

So she's confused when Natasha goes ballistic, shouting, "This is what's wrong with society today!" and going on about "PC police" calling everything "hate speech" and "crucifying" anyone who "isn't tolerant enough for them." She makes a mental note that her bugger SJWs forum friends are going to love this one.

This strikes Yvonne as a bit of a disproportionate response. She was just hoping Natasha would say sorry, quit doing it, and they could forget about it and go to lunch.

But Natasha thinks this is a power play where Yvonne "wins" if she can convince people Natasha is racist. Natasha envisions getting a scarlet R slapped on her and forever being known around the office as "the one that said 'wetback'" while everyone turns up their noses at her and feels superior. Yvonne must be doing this to gain status and look more "enlightened" than Natasha, who will lose status and have a black mark on her record; that is if she's EVEN ALLOWED TO SAY "BLACK MARK" anymore.

Most of the time Natasha's paranoia comes out of nowhere, but sometimes Yvonne contributes to it by not showing there is a series of steps Natasha can take to fix things and get to a place where nobody is mad at her anymore. She doesn't have to wear that R forever -- or even at all. It's not really Yvonne's responsibility to spell it out, but sometimes she can accidentally leave the impression that public shaming is the only goal.

This puts Natasha in a scenario we'll call the Racist's Dilemma. It's like the Prisoner's Dilemma but for potential racists, where the choices look like this: (1) admit you did something racist and be forced to do a walk of shame and get looked down on by all the "PC people," or (2) stonewall as hard as you can and maybe they'll go away. In Racist Prison, everyone was framed. You can see why people often go for (2). If you can change choice (1) in their mind to "stop doing it, say sorry, and everything goes back to normal more or less," then (2) will look a lot less attractive.

#4. They Think Only A Racist Does Racist Things

"Am I a racist?" and "Is what I just did racist?" are not exactly the same question, depending on what you think a "racist" is. Not everybody has the same idea, which is why you get conversations like this:

Natasha: I have nothing against Mexicans; I just don't want them in my neighborhood bringing down property values.

Yvonne: That seems racist.

Natasha: I'm not a racist! I have a lot of black friends! I voted for Obama!

Yvonne's interpretation of a "racist" is a person who does or says racist things. Natasha just said a racist thing, ergo she is a racist. Yvonne is convinced that Natasha is intentionally bullshitting her.

Natasha's idea of a "racist" is less a person and more a golem formed from pure racism, a complete and unvarying package of across-the-board racism toward every race outside of her own, in every way. This Racism Golem is committed to their racism and will never break character by enjoying an NBA game, eating Mexican food, or making pleasant small talk with their Asian co-worker. They are hardcore dedicated to bringing down other races. Racisming so hard, it burns calories.

Natasha will keep basically shouting, "I'm not a Racism Golem!" and Yvonne will keep insisting, "The thing you just said is clearly racist!" but the translation that happens in her brain is, "I'm not racist!" and "Yes you are!" They sound like they're arguing about the same point, but they're not.

Both of them could help by being clearer about what they mean, and Yvonne could even throw Natasha a bone and humor her a bit by saying, "You're a great person and I love your attitudes on civil rights, but I think you just have this one blind spot toward Latinos we need to talk about." Not because she's obligated to avoid hurting Natasha's feelings or anything, but it might snap Natasha out of freaking out about the Racism Golem and get her to pay attention. It's the difference between "You have a little something in your teeth" and "Oh, wow, I didn't realize you hated toothbrushes."

It's worth pointing out as well that there are Yvonnes out there who think all racists are a separate species of Racism Golems who can't be changed, only attacked. These Yvonnes won't admit that they've ever had a racist thought or acknowledge that tribalism is a curse all humans share -- even the best of us have to fight it every day. Anyway, these people don't help.

#3. They Think They're Just Being Honest

Natasha likes to cite "studies" showing black people are just genetically less intelligent than whites. Yvonne knows these "studies" have less credibility than the People's Choice Awards, but she's not sure if Natasha is screwing with her or really believes this. After all, some people apparently watch the People's Choice Awards.

Many Natashas really do believe these fake "race facts." They're probably drawn to believe them because of their existing prejudices, but they think they came to these conclusions because of totally unbiased observations and objective logical reasoning. Hell, all of us think we're more objective and logical about everything than we really are; half of Cracked articles are about that, right?

Anyway, so Yvonne confronts Natasha about the genetic intelligence thing. Maybe she tells Natasha to "stop spreading that crap around Facebook." What Yvonne means to say is, "That's not true; stop spreading those awful lies." What Natasha hears is, "Yeah, I admit that's true, but it's not nice and it makes black people feel bad, so don't say it in front of people."

This is why Natasha likes the phrase "political correctness," because she thinks Yvonne is interested not in actual correctness (the "scientific proof" in the "studies") but in masking the truth to make everyone happy ("politics.") This is why Natasha can not only think it is right but actually brave to loudly proclaim these "facts" on social media or at a party or on the bus or wherever. She thinks Yvonne just won't say them because she is scared of being punished by the PC Police, not because Yvonne thinks they are wrong.

If Yvonne can see this happening, her best chance at bringing Natasha around is to really target the absolute bull crap in Natasha's statement and dial back the bit about how negative and hurtful it is. No guarantee of results either way, but emphasizing the ugliness and negativity of the "fact" just confirms Natasha's idea that she's bravely facing ugly truths that Yvonne won't dare.

#2. They Didn't Mean To Be Racist

Here's what it feels like to be called out on unintentional racism: You're trying to make a complex argument for how to deal with Iran and someone keeps interrupting you to tell you you're pronouncing "nuclear" wrong. What a pedantic prick.

Here's what it feels like to receive unintentional racism: A guy is driving to get groceries and on the way he runs over you with his car. When you complain, he calls you a pedantic prick.

Natasha thinks whatever racial slur or stereotype she might have incidentally brought up is far less serious than the point she was making or the joke she was telling, and those Yvonnes out there are tunnel-visioned nitpickers. In most cases, most of us will have the opposite priorities.

This is why "Oh come on, I didn't mean to be racist; I was just trying to tell a joke" gets the same looks as "Oh come on, I didn't mean to run down a pedestrian; I was just trying to get groceries."

It's not so much "I meant well" or "I had good intentions" (although you get that too) as "I was talking about something completely different and you're changing the subject!" This is why they go on about "All I was trying to do ..." and how you "missed the point."

I think we make it worse by using the word "hate" to describe any kind of bigotry. If someone doesn't feel "hate" or anger or any strong feeling toward that group, they think they're off the hook. The grocery shopper probably didn't "hate" the guy he ran over, but the guy is the same amount of dead no matter how the shopper felt.

Another step beyond "I didn't mean to be racist" is "I wasn't thinking about race at all," and its buddy "You're the one making this about race."

When a manager hires 10 white people in a row despite having qualified minority candidates, quite often they "weren't thinking about race at all." For every blatantly racist asshole that won't hire some race because "They have no work ethic," there's a well-meaning manager with the same subconscious biases we all have, unintentionally feeling a better "vibe" from candidates similar to them.

When Manager Natasha gets called out, this is the first time in the process that race has been directly brought up, so it seems totally true to her when she says, "You're the one bringing race into it." Race has, of course, been heavily involved the whole time, but it's been doing its dirty work out of her subconscious.

Sometimes being less racist requires thinking more about race.

#1. They Totally Wouldn't Mind If It Was Them

People are always egregiously misusing some of the greatest wisdom in the world. In this case, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." "Why do black people get so upset when I use the N-word?" asks Natasha. "I don't mind if anyone calls me a 'honky.' In fact, I laugh along. I guess the difference is that I have a sense of humor and they don't!"

The problem with testing any phrase or action that might offend, say, black people, by thinking of the equivalent phrase or action aimed at white people, is that there often isn't any. If there was some group that held the overwhelming majority of political offices and dominated corporate leadership in the most powerful country in the world and had previously enslaved white people for 400 years, and they had at some point during the slavery period invented a nickname that implied white people were subhuman and were still using it now, then sure, you could use that to guess how a black person would feel about the N-word, maybe.

Natasha might think, "OK, I'll just imagine how I would feel in that situation, then!" But no, that's a terrible idea. People imagine strange things about themselves in fictional fantasy scenarios; they're always suspiciously witty and badass and impeccably moral.

There are areas where we can never be "on the scene" and get firsthand evidence, and we take other people's word for it. We don't run most experiments ourselves; we take scientists' word for what happened. We don't fly to Syria to see what ISIS is really doing; we take our favorite reporter's word for it (for better or worse). But when it comes to how racism feels, people like Natasha seem compelled to go "on the scene" and verify it directly, through the power of imagining themselves into other people's shoes.

The issue is a lack of trust, which you can see in common Natasha phrases like "outrage culture" and "victim mentality," which mean "You're lying about how hurtful this word is to you, because you're playing some kind of power game." If Yvonne is white, there's an additional suspicion that maybe she's just pretending to care about the other group as part of this power game, to gain righteousness points.

If Yvonne can convince Natasha this isn't a power game and the goal isn't to shame her, Natasha might stop insisting on making the call about how other people should feel. But I realize this is like saying that if you could modify your car to fly, your commute to work would be easier.


http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-you-cant-convince-anyone-that-theyre-racist_p2/

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:02pm:

People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia??

People's "own kind" changes. In Rome, different races came together to become citizens. In Britain, Angles, Saxons and Normans came together to become English. In New York, English and Germans WASPS, Irish Catholics, Eastern European Jews and Italians came together to become New Yorkers.

There were conflicts at every turn. Celts didn't like getting invaded by Normans. Romans didn't like having their neighborhoods taken over by worshippers of Christ. The Irish didn't like sharing the NYPD with Poles and Italians.

But all these conflicts were mediated by what came to be known as the rule of law. Socially and politically, along with architecture and aqueducts, this is what civilization is. The British Empire defined civilization as a hierarchy of different groups: farmers, tradespeople, scholars, explorers and rulers. In India, the jewel in Queen Victoria's crown, this was translated into castes and races: Europeans, Aryans, Dravidians, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Burmese, etc, etc, etc. India's complex caste system was consolidated into 5 castes for British consumption.

In the 1940s, Australians were British citizens. We had no Australian flag. in WWII, we fought under the Red Ensign, the flag of the navy. We didn't truly cultivate our own nation until the 1950s, when Australia was already bringing in a mass flux of European migrants.

By the 1970s, Australia was still predominantly Anglo. In my own time, I've seen a predominantly white Anglo city, Sydney, turn into a melting pot. Walking around the CBD, the architecture still says British, but what lies within now says Asian. Asian brands, Asian food, Asian malls. Asian tourists.

In the suburbs, it's Curries, Lebs, Islanders, Viets, Chows - a few sleepy white enclaves on the North Shore (excluding Chatswood), but even these are peppered with European and South African migrants.

Australia is no longer British. We no longer define "our own kind" in racial terms.

Racism is a form of mental disease and it is very present in Australia.
The main reason for this is that Yobbos have very strong inferiority complex because of their isolation and convict heritage.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully. I've noticed with Indians if they are a minority in an area with lot's of aussies like Coffs they'll integrate. If not then you'll get western Sydney like Harris Park.

Harris Park is too tame. I'd like to see a bustling Little India there like Penang or Bangkok, but Indians are very careful in Australia to try to fit in.

Fitting in's fine, but it would be great to have a slice of India in Sydney. The Indian population is bit enough now to use it. Chinatown is a major tourist attraction and shopping/restaurant district, spawning other Asian offshoots: Thaitown and Little Seoul.

If I was the Harris Park Chamber of Commerce, I'd work to make Harris Park MORE Indian: Indian murals, street-art, food tours, cultural centres. It would be good to have a wider range of Indian restaurants. I'd like to see more sari shops, more spice shops, more Indian music and Bollywood video stores.

The Indian communities in Sydney - and Indian tourists and students - are big enough to make this viable.

More LW Prog prattle eh Mothballs.
Really?
Do you honestly believe all that crap you post?
If you do I think we've found YOUR problem.

RACISM is a flawed ideology, anyone who believes it (Karnal) needs their head read.  Anyone who believes the tripe YOU post on it Mothballs also needs their head read.

I understand why you are so irritable all the time, Grendel.

Have you ever considered addressing the root cause?

The world isn't going to revert back to the '50s. Don't you think you'd best learn how to get along with people?

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:01am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? People's "own kind" changes. In Rome, different races came together to become citizens. In Britain, Angles, Saxons and Normans came together to become English. In New York, English and Germans WASPS, Irish Catholics, Eastern European Jews and Italians came together to become New Yorkers. There were conflicts at every turn. Celts didn't like getting invaded by Normans. Romans didn't like having their neighborhoods taken over by worshippers of Christ. The Irish didn't like sharing the NYPD with Poles and Italians. But all these conflicts were mediated by what came to be known as the rule of law. Socially and politically, along with architecture and aqueducts, this is what civilization is. The British Empire defined civilization as a hierarchy of different groups: farmers, tradespeople, scholars, explorers and rulers. In India, the jewel in Queen Victoria's crown, this was translated into castes and races: Europeans, Aryans, Dravidians, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Burmese, etc, etc, etc. India's complex caste system was consolidated into 5 castes for British consumption. In the 1940s, Australians were British citizens. We had no Australian flag. in WWII, we fought under the Red Ensign, the flag of the navy. We didn't truly cultivate our own nation until the 1950s, when Australia was already bringing in a mass flux of European migrants. By the 1970s, Australia was still predominantly Anglo. In my own time, I've seen a predominantly white Anglo city, Sydney, turn into a melting pot. Walking around the CBD, the architecture still says British, but what lies within now says Asian. Asian brands, Asian food, Asian malls. Asian tourists. In the suburbs, it's Curries, Lebs, Islanders, Viets, Chows - a few sleepy white enclaves on the North Shore (excluding Chatswood), but even these are peppered with European and South African migrants. Australia is no longer British. We no longer define "our own kind" in racial terms.

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 11:23am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:15pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 30th, 2017 at 7:02pm: People want to be with their own kind Mothra. Racially and culturally compatible. Muslims, Hindus, whities , Africans etc etc etc. Humans are extremely racist by nature. have you ever wondered why the most racist people come from the most multicultural parts of Australia?? I don't care what physical form people take. I only judge  their ideas. Just a few weeks ago I was surfing with curryshitters at Woolgoolga, which is an awesome place where Indians assimilate beautifully. I've noticed with Indians if they are a minority in an area with lot's of aussies like Coffs they'll integrate. If not then you'll get western Sydney like Harris Park. Harris Park is too tame. I'd like to see a bustling Little India there like Penang or Bangkok, but Indians are very careful in Australia to try to fit in. Fitting in's fine, but it would be great to have a slice of India in Sydney. The Indian population is bit enough now to use it. Chinatown is a major tourist attraction and shopping/restaurant district, spawning other Asian offshoots: Thaitown and Little Seoul. If I was the Harris Park Chamber of Commerce, I'd work to make Harris Park MORE Indian: Indian murals, street-art, food tours, cultural centres. It would be good to have a wider range of Indian restaurants. I'd like to see more sari shops, more spice shops, more Indian music and Bollywood video stores. The Indian communities in Sydney - and Indian tourists and students - are big enough to make this viable.

Don't forget outdoor defecation.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago.

Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable.

For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:31pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 12:43pm: Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated. I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago. Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable. For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable.

Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 12:43pm: Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated. I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago. Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable. For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable. Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world?

I thought that would be obvious, Homo. Australia is perhaps the most successful multicultural utopia in the world.

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:33pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:31pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 12:43pm: Explain the middle east then pumpkin. These groups have hated each other for a 1,000 years. Most places around the world have never integrated. I'm not sure what you're getting at, dear, but Europeans have hated each other for a lot longer than a thousand years. 200 million of them were killed off only two generations ago. Europe is now as integrated as could ever be imagined. War between Germans and France, for example, is completely unthinkable. For much of the 20th century, it was inevitable. Why the lecture on our multicultural utopia then? When has that ever eventuated in the world? I thought that would be obvious, Homo. Australia is perhaps the most successful multicultural utopia in the world.

Australia moved away from a monoculture in the 1950's dear. The experiment is in it's infancy and already there have been hiccups. Let's see what happens when Islam becomes 30% of the population or the majority white population becomes the minority. You'll see a different political landscape with power struggles. We'll probably be dead by then hey princess? It's our kids fight.

No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit.

mothra wrote on Jul 30^th, 2017 at 7:47pm:

Should have known this thread would turn into a demonstration of racism. Typical.

Isn't that what you intended mothball?

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 2:43pm:

No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit.

Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:43pm: No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit. Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?

No Hammer. Even the early settlers were infused with Indigenous influence.

There was a culture already here when we got here. It hasn't gone anywhere.

Indeed not - in it current many forms it is a blunt instrument with which the true believers can beat the brains out of any opposition, real or imagined, and stride their own way majestically to their personal paradise of total liberty to do as they choose.....

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 3:03pm: mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:43pm: No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit. Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine? No Hammer. Even the early settlers were infused with Indigenous influence. There was a culture already here when we got here. It hasn't gone anywhere.

;D ;D

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 12:42pm:

I understand why you are so irritable all the time, Grendel. Have you ever considered addressing the root cause? The world isn't going to revert back to the '50s. Don't you think you'd best learn how to get along with people?

I'm not irritable at all...  maybe like all LW Progs you cant handle dissent and are irritated when people show you up for the fool you are.

Not my fault.  Stop TROLLING.
Stop being a fool. :D :D :D

Grendel, by "irritable" in the dictionary, there is a picture of a sinister goose.

The fools who call themselves LW progs are at it again.
Culture and Race are not the same things darlings... :D :D :D :D :D

mothra wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Grendel, by "irritable" in the dictionary, there is a picture of a sinister goose.

Type in "angry goose" on any search engine. I tried Australian monoculture.

It came up with articles on crop biodiversity.

Karnal wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 7:42pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 7:18pm: Grendel, by "irritable" in the dictionary, there is a picture of a sinister goose. Type in "angry goose" on any search engine. I tried Australian monoculture. It came up with articles on crop biodiversity.

Interesting. Even the plant life is trying to tell Hammer something.

If 'progressives' aren't racist then why do they push self-determination for all races (except whites of course)? Because they're racist front bottoms themselves.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 7:56pm:

If 'progressives' aren't racist then why do they push self-determination for all races (except whites of course)? Because they're racist nice people themselves.

You're not meant to answer the questions, Mistie. You're meant to put them in the test.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 7:56pm:

If 'progressives' aren't racist then why do they push self-determination for all races (except whites of course)? Because they're racist nice people themselves.

Post-colonial theory is a massively racist con.

It is the revenge of people who have been shamed by the fantastic achievements of white Europeans that they could never even dream of coming close to and so they are now trying to save face.

It is a very natural reaction when you see the inferiority of your own culture in such stark relief. So they talk up - in Western anthropological, sociological and political language, having no ability to perceive and express such things in their native languages - the meager backwardness of their ancestral inheritance. 

And so there is no room to be critical of primitive barbarisms because they re talked up as equal cultural achievements when they are obviously are not.
So the primitive is falsified and the modern is falsified. Everything is shrouded in lies and pc blindness.


“No society in history has ever stood still, and however beautiful, and ancient, and intricate ancient cultures may be, it is wrong to lock people up inside them and throw away the key.”

I dont care where someone comes from.
I dont care what language they speak
I dont care what colour they are.

But
If they worship a devil CULT
If they propagate pedophile marriage
If they mutilate young girls
If they are a threat because of their retarded violent behavior
If they are a drain on my countries welfare system

Then I am intolerant.

Its not racism, as much as the sycophant, sympathizer apologists try to make it.
Its about an intolerant, violent CULT that has no place in civilized society.

Its not racist to hate the CULT and its retarded followers.

Its sensible

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2017 at 3:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 31st, 2017 at 2:43pm: No Hammer, Australia has not ever been a mono-culture. Not even a little bit. Oh yes it was. Type in Australia monoculture on any search engine?

I agree with moth. Even in the aboriginal Australia era, aborigines were consisting of very many different cultures. Even races differed from north to south, east to west. Then the British came along and made a great variance of culture. Chinese moved in. Other Europeans. Try to tell me that Europeans are all the same, and I will laugh in your face.

LOL
You gotta laugh at Mothballs and the LW Progs.
Monoculture has been their argument against those who are against Multiculture.

Too late now they said, cant unscramble the egg, cant go back to having a monoculture now.

If only they could make up their mind.  Mind you they were the ones who brought Monoculture into the argument about Multiculturalism in the first place.

We are actually talking about the Australian National Culture.

We are for all intents and purposes a western democracy our culture has roots in the British Empire.
But...  as can be seen and was seen very clearly at the Sydney Olympics we also recognise Aboriginal Culture as being Australian.
In fact the British Culture has been marginally influenced by the Aboriginal culture.

For a good rundown on our Culture, you know the one Multiculturalists deny...  check out Convict Creations.

For those Progs tossing racist at everyone...  settle petals...  Culture and Race are not the same things.

Oh and for your information, Aborigines inter-marry more than any other race in Australia.

Grendel wrote on Aug 1^st, 2017 at 4:04pm:

LOL You gotta laugh at Mothballs and the LW Progs. Monoculture has been their argument against those who are against Multiculture. Too late now they said, cant unscramble the egg, cant go back to having a monoculture now. If only they could make up their mind.  Mind you they were the ones who brought Monoculture into the argument about Multiculturalism in the first place. We are actually talking about the Australian National Culture. We are for all intents and purposes a western democracy our culture has roots in the British Empire. But...  as can be seen and was seen very clearly at the Sydney Olympics we also recognise Aboriginal Culture as being Australian. In fact the British Culture has been marginally influenced by the Aboriginal culture. For a good rundown on our Culture, you know the one Multiculturalists deny...  check out Convict Creations. For those Progs tossing racist at everyone...  settle petals...  Culture and Race are not the same things. Oh and for your information, Aborigines inter-marry more than any other race in Australia.

... be a nihilist for life: WHY NOT?

Ah - but it IS an issue of education - you only goddamned need to teach every Offshore Kaffir how  to speak the word.... as a means to evade any personal responsibility in THIS society...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/36577031/puneet-puneet-argues-australia-a-racist-country/?cmp=ydn&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=Emarsys&utm_campaign=DailySnapshot#page1

My recollection is that the 'racism' towards Indians in Syd-en-ey came from the MEerkats .. same as the violence in La'emba in the 1970's against Vietnamese came from the MEerkats, aka Lebs...

Pretty safe in the Wharte man's hands, it seems....

I am amazed at how these PC police seem to demand that Australians accept every and any race simply because they are different.

And yet, these same PC police do not feel the need to push for racial equality and tolerance in the countries that these refugees come from.

They cone here racist and push their racist and isolationist agenda.
Denigrating and insulting my culture because they can do this with impunity.

If I was to go and try the same in their country, Id be in serious trouble or dead.

They bring with them racism and see racism in everything they do and say and what is said to them.

I have a right to be intolerant
I have a right to free speach
I have a right to protect myself, my culture and my country

If yhey feel tgat they are so badly done by
If they feel that they are being discriminated against
If they find it too hard to actually work and contribute

They can always leave
Please leave, and take your PC police and sycophant, apologist, sympathiser,  dead beats with you.