It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections:


John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2017 at 1:16pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it. Sure I did.

Send this thread to ---> Relationships ?

you actually debate with JS.. more fool you...he usually debates the person..under pressure he gets quite spiteful..

are not Nazis White Supremacists? these days.

at least thats what I thought.....

anything fd that is EXTREME and full of HATE for anyone who doesnt think like they do...

should be criticised....yep even jailed...I havent seen these guys chopping off heads yet..but who knows!

FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment.

He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate - i.e. we should criticise people based on what they say or do, not on what we think they are.

It's clear that this was the context.

Stop mincing words.

he's a lefty.

they don't answer questions.
they are above those capitalist/ bourgeoisie/proletariat confines.

Ask marla, she knows ..........

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:42pm:

FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment. He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate - i.e. we should criticise people based on what they say or do, not on what we think they are. It's clear that this was the context. Stop mincing words.

Correct.

Effendi's forte.....deliberate distortion of what was actually said.

Aussie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:44pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:42pm: FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment. He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate - i.e. we should criticise people based on what they say or do, not on what we think they are. It's clear that this was the context. Stop mincing words. Correct. Effendi's forte.....deliberate distortion of what was actually said.

You'll soon accuse me of this, I'm sure.

:-/

Doubt it.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it. Sure I did.

It depends which Nazis.

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:42pm:

FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment. He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate - i.e. we should criticise people based on what they say or do, not on what we think they are. It's clear that this was the context. Stop mincing words.

so if you find one assembling bombs   you do nothing until he sets it off..

got it!

I'll just ignore the fact that you are misrepresenting what I said for now FD, and ask

are you declaring that we should criticise people for what you think they think?

cods wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:42pm: FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment. He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate - i.e. we should criticise people based on what they say or do, not on what we think they are. It's clear that this was the context. Stop mincing words. so if you find one assembling bombs   you do nothing until he sets it off.. got it!

if he's assembling a bomb he's doing something you ninny.

What would you say if I criticise you for your anti semitism cods?

https://media.tenor.com/images/9a179e2a0f3b1491371d4870c5d5b899/tenor.gif

Auggie wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:42pm:

FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment.

It's FD's MO. He doesn't debate, and he certainly doesn't answer question or explain himself when discussing something, he only asks the same questions over and over hoping for a 'gotcha' moment, and if that doesn't work he starts another thread whereby he misinterprets what the person has said.

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 5:40pm:

Auggie wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:42pm: FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment. It's FD's MO. He doesn't debate, and he certainly doesn't answer question or explain himself when discussing something, he only asks the same questions over and over hoping for a 'gotcha' moment, and if that doesn't work he starts another thread whereby he misinterprets what the person has said.

... and goes on about it for years, copy and pasting his little quote bombs into unrelated discussions.

It's incredibly tedious.

If you dont want your statements dissected then think a little before you post them.

rhino wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 6:05pm:

If you dont want your statements dissected then think a little before you post them.

dissect away ... just be honest about it.

Is it right to not criticise Stalinists and Bolsheviks?

That seems to be the thrust of this current disputation over White Rights in the US and elsewhere....

At what point does one 'extreme' become 'good' and the other 'bad', when both do the same things to get what they want?

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FD, you're completing misinterpreting (I think intentionally) John Smith's comment.

Would you suggest we ask John for clarification? Would you like to have a go at getting a straight answer out of him?


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He said that we shouldn't criticize Nazis until they openly reveal their hate

And that is exactly what I implied he said - by quoting him agreeing with that phrasing. How do you turn that into misinterpretation?


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I'll just ignore the fact that you are misrepresenting what I said for now FD, and ask

Is this misrepresenting you John?


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Do you stand by this comment or were you trying to pretend it is actually about jailing people rather than criticising them? Why have you spent several pages ducking and weaving on this one John?

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:46pm:

Is this misrepresenting you John?

why didn't you put up the rest of that conversation FD? the original version?

This is the third thread you've dragged this conversation to ... are you trying to get some distance between the conversation and your twist on it?
:D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Do you stand by this comment John? It's a simple question. No need for the hysterics.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Do you stand by this comment John? It's a simple question. No need for the hysterics.

told you on the other thread a dozen times already. The question has been answered several times and I'm not interested in your repeat the question and answer game. If you want the answer, go back to the original thread.

Did you think that if you started another thread on it I would forget that it had already been answered?

You have not answered once John.

The dance of the apologist continues....

John Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 8:59pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:56pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Do you stand by this comment John? It's a simple question. No need for the hysterics. told you on the other thread a dozen times already. The question has been answered several times and I'm not interested in your repeat the question and answer game. If you want the answer, go back to the original thread. Did you think that if you started another thread on it I would forget that it had already been answered?

Why is it wrong to criticise Nazis?

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:00pm:

You have not answered once John. The dance of the apologist continues....

John is so deeply devoted to the CULT that gradually he is becoming like them

Slowly his brain will rot as the brutal and barbaric teaching of the prophet mullhutmed infect and rot any sensible synapsies that may have existed.

As a result, all barbaric, brutal and primitive acts will seem to him to be more and more normal.
That includes the brutality of the nazis who he closely associates with the brutality of the CULT.

Asking him questions at this point is an exercise in frustration.
He will not be able to answer, even if he tried.
All that goes through his muzzo infected brian is brutality and tge twisted teachings of a sick pedophile prophet.

Have pity on him, he has reached the point of insensibility.

Criticize? Only constructively please.
Like all special needs kids, nazis need love and encouragement too. Oh, and nappies, lots of nappies.

Gordon wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:59pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:56pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Do you stand by this comment John? It's a simple question. No need for the hysterics. told you on the other thread a dozen times already. The question has been answered several times and I'm not interested in your repeat the question and answer game. If you want the answer, go back to the original thread. Did you think that if you started another thread on it I would forget that it had already been answered? Why is it wrong to criticise Nazis?

I never said it was

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:00pm:

You have not answered once John. The dance of the apologist continues....

I've answered several times FD.
Why don't you put up the rest of that conversation if you're so sure I haven't answered? In it's entirety.

Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John. The links are in the OP if you are getting confused. No point quoting pages and pages of your drivel.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Do you stand by this comment John?

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:

Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John

I did no such thing. I spent several pages explaining to you that it had already been answered. I even copy pasted the answers for you on three different occasions. Fkked if I'm going to do it again. You want them , you fetch.


I notice you're hesitant to put up the rest of the conversation we had FD. Why is that? why did you feel the need to start a third thread on the same crap?  :D :D :D

Behold the tapdancing apologist.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Do you stand by this comment John?

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Talk about a cheap trick. That is going for a king hit behind play.

John_Smith actually wrote

John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd.

You edited the quote to take it out of context and it is a total misrepresentation. very close to a deliberate lie and if you are Australian very, very unaustralian. If you are Australian you should know better. If you are not an Australian, here in Australia Playing the man and not the ball is frowned upon.

To John_Smith you took a principle stance on freedom of speech to you I say I have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If some Nazi wants to use his right to free speech to impinge upon my rights. Then it is his rights to free speech that should suffer not my rights to life and liberty.

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:35pm:

Behold the tapdancing apologist. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Do you stand by this comment John?

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Lastone wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm: It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Talk about a cheap trick. That is going for a king hit behind play. John_Smith actually wrote John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. You can't jail people for thinking bad thoughts fd. You edited the quote to take it out of context and it is a total misrepresentation. very close to a deliberate lie and if you are Australian very, very unaustralian. If you are Australian you should know better. If you are not an Australian, here in Australia Playing the man and not the ball is frowned upon. To John_Smith you took a principle stance on freedom of speech to you I say I have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If some Nazi wants to use his right to free speech to impinge upon my rights. Then it is his rights to free speech that should suffer not my rights to life and liberty.

FD? edit a post so as to misrepresent what was said? who'd a thunk it. :D :D :D

Behold the tapdancing apologist.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Is this misrepresenting you John?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:42pm:

he's a lefty. they don't answer questions. they are above those capitalist/ bourgeoisie/proletariat confines. Ask marla, she knows ..........

Exactly. And by the way, it is wrong to criticize the Nazis.

Volkswagen, the Autobahn, an effective railway network. Germany and Europe working again. Zyclon B or starvation for those who weren't up for it.

How anyone could criticize this is beyond me.

Gordon wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 9:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:59pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:56pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Do you stand by this comment John? It's a simple question. No need for the hysterics. told you on the other thread a dozen times already. The question has been answered several times and I'm not interested in your repeat the question and answer game. If you want the answer, go back to the original thread. Did you think that if you started another thread on it I would forget that it had already been answered? Why is it wrong to criticise Nazis?

Freediver?

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Behold the tapdancing apologist. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Is this misrepresenting you John?

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freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 11:23pm:

Behold the tapdancing apologist. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Is this misrepresenting you John?

still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? ;D ;D

Nazi = Proud white person

All other races are allowed to be proud of their heritage but for whites it's a mortal sin.

Why is that?

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 11:23pm: Behold the tapdancing apologist. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. Is this misrepresenting you John? still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? ;D ;D

Is it misrepresenting you John?

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:47am:

FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"?

Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi".

Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes?

Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice.

Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes? Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice. Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology.

It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives.

But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes? Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice. Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it.

Just as the bible Tells us to put to death anyone that works on the Sabbath. You are a good Christian how many Sabbath workers have you put to death?

Not all Muslims are Jihadists not all christian are fundamentalist who believes the bible should be taken literally. Just as a christian you do not want to kill sabbath workers Muslims (the majority) do not want to kill infidel. And please do not try and tell me that there are not any Christians wanting a Holy war against Islam. possibly you are one of them.

However, anyone out there waving a Swastika I think one can safely assume is bad.

Oh Lastone! Save yourself!

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:53am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes? Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice. Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it. It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology. It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives.

Modern Nazis also live perfectly peaceful lives. In fact they slaughter innocent people less often than Muslims.

Still, these are good points you make. Perhaps being a Nazi alone is justification to criticise someone. However, given that John has gone into jellyfish mode, and this is entirely his story, we are unlikely to get any straight answers.


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But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

It was about Muslims from the beginning. I made it more familiar by using Nazism as an example to demonstrate to John how stupid his arguments are. I suspect that quote in the opening post is where John finally understood this point and turned into a jellyfish.

You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. Your entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict.

Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:06am:

You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. You're entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict. Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?

My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim

You know when you actually consider that Nazi holocaust not only Murdered 6 million Jews. It also butchered Gypsies, Homosexuals and Slavs, You do know that there 24 Million Russian civilian deaths. I think the Muslims have a long way to go before catching up.

Careful FD your Hatred is showing

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:06am:

You can't be peaceful and be a Nazi. Your entire existence is built on hate and resentment. They're in constant conflict. Are you arguing that there is something redeeming about being a Nazi, FD?

You can be peaceful and be a Nazi, just like you can be peaceful and be a Muslim. Like I said, Muslims are slaughtering far more innocent people than Nazis are, but the vast majority refrain from beheading people in the street on their way to work.

This is not my argument. It is John's. He's just having a bit of trouble giving a straight answer at the moment. Give him time. I'm sure he'll explain everything eventually.


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You know when you actually consider that Nazi holocaust not only Murdered 6 million Jews. It also butchered Gypsies, Homosexuals and Slavs, You do know that there 24 Million Russian civilian deaths. I think the Muslims have a long way to go before catching up.

Muhammad was just as fond of slaughtering all sorts of pagans as he was of slaughtering Jews. In fact, going by the result, he was more successful than the Nazis. Mecca, and a large area surrounding it, was ethnically cleansed of all non-Muslims shortly after Muhammad's death, and has remained that way for 1400 years. No other political or religious movement on earth has the same dedication to genocide.

mothra wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:53am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes? Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice. Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it. It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology. It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives. But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no?

I would describe the ideology of ISIS (not Islam or Muslims) as: totalitarian, militaristic, and fascist. Do you agree with this? I'm not saying that this ideology has anything to do with Islam or Muslims.

Auggie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:48pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:56am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:53am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:51am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:50am: mothra wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:47am: FD, how do you know they are a Nazi if they don't "openly reveal their hate"? Good question Mothra. There are many ways to tell if someone is a Nazi. For example, they might say something like "I am a Nazi". Which would openly reveal their hate, yes? Oh no Mothra. You cannot possibly do that. That would be tarring all Nazis with the same brush. Like assuming all Muslims want to slaughter the infidel wherever they find them, just because the Koran tells them to and Muhammad demonstrated the practice. Still, if John were in a mood to give a straight answer to a simple question, you could try asking him. After all, this is his story, even if he is now afraid to tell it. It is demonstrably true that Nazism is a hate fueled ideology. It is also demonstrably true that most Muslims live perfectly peaceful lives. But well done you, you eventually made it all about Muslims. That was your plan all along, no? I would describe the ideology of ISIS (not Islam or Muslims) as: totalitarian, militaristic, and fascist. Do you agree with this? I'm not saying that this ideology has anything to do with Islam or Muslims.

Absolutely.

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

This is not my argument. It is John's.

still haven't got the balls to put up what I said ehhh FD?

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 12:34pm:

Muhammad was just as fond of slaughtering all sorts of pagans as he was of slaughtering Jews.

;D ;D ;D ;D

mention the deaths caused by the church during the crusades and dark ages to FD and you get some variation of the 'that was then, we've moved on argument'.

that doesn't stop him going on about how many mohammed killed  :D :D :D

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you. Is it? And if it is not this, what is it that you think was misrepresented?

Can you do that jellyfish impression for us again please?

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity?

Given that Islam grew out of Christianity I fail to see how you differentiate between one murderous religious nut expanding his territory and murderous thieves using religion as the excuse to expand their territory?  ::)

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:41pm:

John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you

sure I have ... but whilst you are determined to maintain the role of village idiot you will remain unable to see it.

Lastone wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 11:37am:

My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim

FD is indulging in false dichotomy
He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions. It is apples and oranges.
If FD was debating honestly he would compare Nazis to ISIS. That would be a valid comparison.

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16pm:

If FD was debating honestly

if FD was debating honestly it would snow in Bali

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 10:16pm:

Lastone wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 11:37am: My take is he would rather have a Nazi living next door to him than a Muslim FD is indulging in false dichotomy He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions. It is apples and oranges. If FD was debating honestly he would compare Nazis to ISIS. That would be a valid comparison.

Having read some of this guys older posts, I doubt FD has the intelligence to draw conclusions like that.

hmmm maybe lack of intelligence is a bit harsh. Maybe he just lacks the historical knowledge and the ability to the discern the socio-political background to world history inclusive of the Middle East.

Probably a result of under-funded public schools...  :(

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:

It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it. Sure I did.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Dear O dear O dear ....

Johnno hoisted by his own petard ... again ...

Next time look before you leap.

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort.....

It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner.....

It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:27am:

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 1:33pm: It has finally happened. In an effort to defend Muslims, the apologists are now declaring it is also wrong to criticise Nazis. John Smith wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes. John went on to spend several pages pretending he did not say this, and that he was talking about jailing people rather than criticising them. He now refuses to give a straight answer, but continues to post endless deflections: John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:16pm: freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 1:09pm: You are confused John. You did not answer my question before I asked it. Sure I did. ;D ;D ;D ;D Dear O dear O dear .... Johnno hoisted by his own petard ... again ... Next time look before you leap.

you should ask FD to put up the rest of that little chat. I doubt he'd put it up as it'll show him to be the liar that he is.
I've asked a dozen times and he pretends to not have seen it, maybe if another islamaphobe asks he might entertain you?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

  so true.,, I call it name calling but you are right its labeling...and its dropped in at every chance no matter what we are talking about...

its usually by the arrogant pompous always right mob...

I like the word 'apologist'   not quite sure where it fits though as its used indiscriminately.. but that the only word in the reply.... so its hard to figure it out.. ::) ::)

Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical.
Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues.....

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:40am: It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues..... Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting...

protesters..

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:39am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:40am: It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues..... Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans? the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting... protesters..

You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it.

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:16am:

Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians.

gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks..

Moriaty wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:41pm: John would you agree that Muhammad has more to do with Islam than the crusades have to do with Christianity? Given that Islam grew out of Christianity I fail to see how you differentiate between one murderous religious nut expanding his territory and murderous thieves using religion as the excuse to expand their territory?  ::)

So you actually think that the crusades are just as reflective of Christianity as Muhammad is of Islam?


John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 9:58pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 9:41pm: John you still haven't explained whether this is misrepresenting you sure I have ... but whilst you are determined to maintain the role of village idiot you will remain unable to see it.

No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Is this misrepresenting you John? If so how?

If a jellyfish could type, what would it say right now?


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He is trying to compare a political organisation with one of the worlds major religions.

Islam is just as much a political movement as a religious one. Hitler had some strange spiritual views, and there is no reason to think that if the Nazis had been as militarily successful as the Muslims (who got their thousand year reich), that Nazism would not have morphed into a religious movement.


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It is apples and oranges.

Are you saying it is not possible to compare apples with oranges? Are they not both fruit?


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you should ask FD to put up the rest of that little chat

Why can't you ask John? Are you worried you would sound like an idiot asking me to do it for you? Do you think it sounds  less stupid asking Herb to ask me on your behalf to post something that you would not post yourself?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:44am:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:43am: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:39am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:40am: It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues..... Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans? the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting... protesters.. You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it.

a few do..... some muslim terrorists  do the same thing...they shout

allah akbar.. its an act of defiance   

its saying UP YOU... the big finger if you like..

I dont get so carried away about things like that....

its what a group is capable of that I look at...rather than what they call themselves..

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:44am: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:43am: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:39am: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:40am: It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues..... Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans? the same thing I would call antifa people who walked chanting... protesters.. You know they call themselves Nazis, right? They're actually proud of it. a few do..... some muslim terrorists  do the same thing...they shout allah akbar.. its an act of defiance    its saying UP YOU... the big finger if you like.. I dont get so carried away about things like that.... its what a group is capable of that I look at...rather than what they call themselves..

So why do you object to them being referred to by what they are? They are neo-Nazis.

Dr Mengele wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 7:48am:

Nazi = Proud white person All other races are allowed to be proud of their heritage but for whites it's a mortal sin. Why is that?

Nazis are not proud white people. Not these days, anyway. I think you are confusing white nationalist with nazis.
You can be proud of your heritiage. But don't denigrate the other heritages around the world.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish.

You're a liar.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503408162/15



John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:41am: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:25am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am: How have I misrepresented you John? Queue the jellyfish. I've asked you multiple times to put up the rest of that conversation FD. Why do you run away from it? Are you worried your bullsh1t won't stand up to scrutiny? No you haven't John. How have I misrepresented you John? And what sound does a jellyfish make? bullshit John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:51pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:46pm: Is this misrepresenting you John? why didn't you put up the rest of that conversation FD? the original version? This is the third thread you've dragged this conversation to ... are you trying to get some distance between the conversation and your twist on it? :D :D and again John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:00pm: You have not answered once John. The dance of the apologist continues.... I've answered several times FD. Why don't you put up the rest of that conversation if you're so sure I haven't answered? In it's entirety. but wait, there's more John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:20pm: Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John I did no such thing. I spent several pages explaining to you that it had already been answered. I even copy pasted the answers for you on three different occasions. Fkked if I'm going to do it again. You want them , you fetch. I notice you're hesitant to put up the rest of the conversation we had FD. Why is that? why did you feel the need to start a third thread on the same crap?  :D :D :D hold on, we're not done yet folks John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:25pm: still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? ;D ;D so I asked you to show the rest of the conversation on at least 4 seperate occassions, and that's without my going back to the original thread FD, and you're still pretending I never asked.  ;D ;D tell me FD,  is it that you are partially blind and honestly don't see my replies? or is it simply that you're a lying dishonest jellyfish?

keep pretending FD.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

Why can't you ask John?

I did, multiple times. Just look at the previous comment. :D :D :D

But you pretend away FD, everyone can see who the real jellyfish is.

I'm going to bet FD now ignores this thread and starts another one where he continue to pretend he's clever.  :D :D :D :D

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:40am: It's wrong to adhere the label 'NAZIs' to people who are nothing of the sort..... It's wrong to fail to apply the same label to people who do the same thing while waving a different banner..... It's wrong to use 'labeling' as a means of diverting or destroying discussion of issues..... Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

And these flags and chants are exactly???

https://www.wired.com/story/the-tragedy-of-charlottesville-in-two-powerful-photos/

Bloody awful candle lighting fascist mongrel lowest life bastards ..... how DARE they protest some idiot wanting to tear down a statue of The Ginneral Hisself....

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

I'm going to bet FD now ignores this thread and starts another one where he continue to pretend he's clever.  :D :D :D :D

I was right, he decided to post the same lies in at least two different threads to the three he already started on this, and they're only the ones I've seen  :D :D :D

Luvvies have been labelling people Nazis for so long that no one, apart from other luvvies, the aforementioned ones who label everyone anyway,  gives a poo when actual Nazis turn up.  ;D ;D

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:22pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:53am: Why can't you ask John? I did, multiple times. Just look at the previous comment. :D :D :D But you pretend away FD, everyone can see who the real jellyfish is.

You asked me why I did not post everything you have said. I told you why. It is self evidently stupid, which is why you do not do it yourself either.


John Smith wrote on Aug 20^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 12:17pm: So we should refrain from criticising Nazis until they actually do something wrong, or openly reveal their hate? a rather simplified comment but pretty much spot on, yes.

Is this misrepresenting you John? If so how?

How would a jellyfish respond to this question?

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

Luvvies have been labelling people Nazis for so long that no one, apart from other luvvies, the aforementioned ones who label everyone anyway,  gives a poo when actual Nazis turn up.  ;D ;D

Have you been living in a bubble? People care tremendously. On an international level.

keep up the lies Jellyfish.  ;D ;D ;D

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

Interesting. What would you call people walking under Nazi flags and chanting Nazi slogans?

Well trained patriots who have no truck with 'multicultural diversity'. They want their own homeland without being pressured into making room for endless streams of Third Worlders from failed societies where the medieval mindset prevails.

They don't want a fire to break out in their capital city for them to then be witness to a rat's nest composed of hundreds of nig nogs and sundry foreigners being flushed out onto the streets by these flames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcz-Oho0tlU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyZ7Q-ruVpo

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

Why can't you ask John? Are you worried you would sound like an idiot asking me to do it for you? Do you think it sounds  less stupid asking Herb to ask me on your behalf to post something that you would not post yourself?

Precisely.

He's always pushing me forward to ask the hard questions on his behalf. He's a jellyfish with no substance and no backbone just waiting to be eaten by a sea turtle.

Shame, John, shame!

don't encourage him Herb. You know i'll only make a fool of you again. :D :D

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:

don't encourage him Herb. You know i'll only make a fool of you again. :D :D

Fold your cards, Johnno, you're on a losing streak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm: don't encourage him Herb. You know i'll only make a fool of you again. :D :D Fold your cards, Johnno, you're on a losing streak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

What losing streak? I haven't lost a hand either you or FD, let alone a streak. :D :D

Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day.

You might want to reconsider which horse you back.

6 pages in, and still John is doing his jellyfish impersonation. Does anyone want to take a bet on whether he will stand by his comment, backflip, or turn into a jellyfish?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back.

I've slept all day until just an hour ago.

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:

Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back.

Herbie has always been fond of jackasses

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago.

Up late with the chooks?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago. Up late with the chooks?

The cock kept crowing and wouldn't let him sleep.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago. Up late with the chooks? The cock kept crowing and wouldn't let him sleep.

Herbie shares his chook's affections with another male?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:50pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago. Up late with the chooks? The cock kept crowing and wouldn't let him sleep. Herbie shares his chook's affections with another male?

he has chicks? I thought he only had cocks

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. Herbie has always been fond of jackasses

I've always cut you a lot of slack, John.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago. Up late with the chooks? The cock kept crowing and wouldn't let him sleep.

My days of Early Morning Erections are well and truly over, John.

It's wrong to label people NAZIs for objecting to the destruction of a statue of national historical significance...

Ol' Robert E was offered command of the Union armies, but turned it down to go with his native State in the Secessionist movement... wonder how that war would have gone if he'd run the other side....

The Ginneral didn't own a slave.... so what the hell do these damned carpet baggers think they're doing ripping down his statue and inciting unrest and violence?

Change the candles for burning crosses.... that'll alienate 'em - oops - too late - they's already radicalised 'lefties' down there and armed with sticks and stuff to attack passersby who mnight.. just might ... be some kind of 'rightie'.  ::)  ::)  ::)

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:50pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:48pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. I've slept all day until just an hour ago. Up late with the chooks? The cock kept crowing and wouldn't let him sleep. My days of Early Morning Erections are well and truly over, John.

Vote Early - Vote Often!!  Oops - you said ERECTIONS..... well.. root early.. root often.... gonna vote ratbag in the coming council stoush.... stir the thunderbox a little and dig out the entrenched interests in council... gotta start somewhere....

Candlelight vigil at Cap'n Cook's statue, anyone?  See what oozes out of the woodwork down there in the Big Smoke...  ;)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

It's wrong to label people NAZIs for objecting to the destruction of a statue of national historical significance... Ol' Robert E was offered command of the Union armies, but turned it down to go with his native State in the Secessionist movement... wonder how that war would have gone if he'd run the other side.... The Ginneral didn't own a slave.... so what the hell do these damned carpet baggers think they're doing ripping down his statue and inciting unrest and violence? Change the candles for burning crosses.... that'll alienate 'em - oops - too late - they's already radicalised 'lefties' down there and armed with sticks and stuff to attack passersby who mnight.. just might ... be some kind of 'rightie'.  ::)  ::)  ::)

Is that seriously how you think it went down?

Like, really?

mothra wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 6:34pm: It's wrong to label people NAZIs for objecting to the destruction of a statue of national historical significance... Ol' Robert E was offered command of the Union armies, but turned it down to go with his native State in the Secessionist movement... wonder how that war would have gone if he'd run the other side.... The Ginneral didn't own a slave.... so what the hell do these damned carpet baggers think they're doing ripping down his statue and inciting unrest and violence? Change the candles for burning crosses.... that'll alienate 'em - oops - too late - they's already radicalised 'lefties' down there and armed with sticks and stuff to attack passersby who mnight.. just might ... be some kind of 'rightie'.  ::)  ::)  ::) Is that seriously how you think it went down? Like, really?

What?  The Civil War?  Lee's lack of slave ownership?  The absurd idea of ripping down his statue, thus inciting a protest that lead to Antifa 'defending' churches and such from passing protestors and attacking some to do so, and thus creating the violent response from one protestor?

What're you smoking tonight?

What the fork does General Robert E Lee have to do with cops shooting blacks (and whites) in America?

Stake out Cap'n Cook's statue - light them candles - let's see what slides out from under the rocks.....

What do YOU claim happened down there?  It stated off as an approved protest against the utterly stupid idea of tearing down a statue, the cops canceled the approval to prevent bloodshed etc, and degenerated into running fights when these 'antifa' clowns got into the act.  If 'antifa' had not gone there.. there would have been no fight and no 'dunloping'.

Now who knows where it will end?  With more real violence it would seem....

You calling me a NAZI for thinking that tearing down a statue of a Civil War hero is an idiot act?

Bonus question:-  Do you ever actually contradict anyone's statement with anything but a question inferring that they are not in touch with facts (which you do not offer)?  Ever offer a fact or even an unbiased summary of events, rather than a bunch of twitter rubbish full of zero fact and a lot of hyperbole?

Such as:-  "we all feared for our lives and antifa saved us from certain death" - this despite the FACT that  not one person there suffered so much as a scratch and no 'attack' materialised - but they were in immediate fear of losing their lives, just ask 'em... Jesus God!

I read through all that rubbish and the most anyone suffered was a few insults as the deadly parade passed by.... but when antifa arrived there was mayhem.... but since the 'other side' are labeled 'white supremacists' and NAZIs - they have no rights to protection of law or self-defence.

Just like the real NAZIs in Germany - where 'enemies of the state' were criminals and had no rights to legal protection or defence simply for being.... their very presence was an offence against the Reich and Volk and thus the Reich had no obligation to protect them.

I think some of you really need a good close look at....

Most country towns have a statue of a digger in them paid for by subscriptions.

Luvvies hate diggers and too easy to build a narrative about rapists and invaders so they might be next. 

The permanently outraged west hating self loathers are on a roll.

Here's a timeline of events... no problem until 'anti-protestors' showed up an hour before the scheduled licenced protest....

http://6abc.com/a-timeline-of-events-in-charlottesville-virginia/2305769/

Oh - the 'torches' in the photos are candles..... hyperbole, hyperbole.... aka propaganda.....

And Trump's reference to KKK and other extreme groups had no relevance to the majority at the protest.... in true politicalspeak he ONLY referred to those groups IF involved in any way and in general terms.... he most emphatically did NOT label all those at the protest 'KKK' or NAZIs or anything else.

Secret Wars wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:52pm:

Most country towns have a statue of a digger in them paid for by subscriptions. Luvvies hate diggers and too easy to build a narrative about rapists and invaders so they might be next.  The permanently outraged west hating self loathers are on a roll.

Remember the 'Women against rape in war' movement that tried to hijack an Anzac Day March and join in?

Charlottesville council holds the true responsibility for the deaths and injuries with its stupid and unthinking obeisance to political correctness and its deliberately inflammatory actions.  Sack the bloody lot and get some real councillors in.

You want an Emancipation Park - go build one....  ::)

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 12:12pm:

Dr Mengele wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:48am: Nazi = Proud white person All other races are allowed to be proud of their heritage but for whites it's a mortal sin. Why is that? Nazis are not proud white people. Not these days, anyway. I think you are confusing white nationalist with nazis. You can be proud of your heritiage. But don't denigrate the other heritages around the world.

White nationalists???
Such think logically can not exist.
There is no white nation there is only white race.

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks..

Nonsence

There is no evidence that "gas chambers" ever existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOgfIhvy_o

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:45am: capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks.. Nonsence There is evidence that "gas chambers" ever existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOgfIhvy_o

Perhaps this is why John insists it is wrong to criticise Nazis unless they openly reveal their hate. The whole holocaust thing was just a bit of a misunderstanding, wasn't it John?

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:42pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:45am: capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks.. Nonsence There is evidence that "gas chambers" ever existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOgfIhvy_o Perhaps this is why John insists it is wrong to criticise Nazis unless they openly reveal their hate. The whole holocaust thing was just a bit of a misunderstanding, wasn't it John?

Nah - racial etc supremacy are all theory - just ask the feminists when they advocate men on leashes and de-balled or caged and let out to breed only.... it's only theory...

Ain't that right, Moshe`?

All just a bit of academic musing - nothing to worry about....but remember to differentiate between NAZIs and people who object to a Civil War statue being desecrated... hundreds of thousands died in that war so some stupid council could decide to do that for no real reason, when they knew it was an inflammatory thing to do.

I say hang the council concerned....

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:47pm: mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:45pm: Herbie, i don't know if you've been paying attention but FD is having a rather bad day. You might want to reconsider which horse you back. Herbie has always been fond of jackasses I've always cut you a lot of slack, John.

that's cause you were taught to respect your betters

still not game enough to put up the rest of that conversation ehh FD? 

Not only a liar, but a coward too. Ain't that right Jellyfish.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 4:45pm:

It is self evidently...

This is how a jellyfish responds to questions...  :-?

This kind of argument is on the same level as: "Because!" or "God did it!".

Pathetic.

Why is it wrong to criticise nazis?

Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Why is it wrong to criticise nazis?

First specify who are current NAZIs (correct terminology) .. either that or limit the discussion to past history.....

I will not be drawn into some kind of blanket de facto condemnation of anyone that someone chooses to label as a 'nazi' for simply having a grievance.....

It is wrong to criticise people as nazis (your term) by artificially labeling them as such without proper cause....

NAZI is as NAZI does, as they allus say down in Green Bow...

It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was.

Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was.

That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them.

I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last.

One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;)

Moriaty wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;)

I don't know anyone special. 

Moriaty wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:09pm:

Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;)

Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person?

if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'...

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 8:38pm:

still not game enough to put up the rest of that conversation ehh FD?  Not only a liar, but a coward too. Ain't that right Jellyfish.

Im surprised aussie hasnt put it up... he would have done with the  first hint had it been me....

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:38pm: still not game enough to put up the rest of that conversation ehh FD?  Not only a liar, but a coward too. Ain't that right Jellyfish. Im surprised aussie hasnt put it up... he would have done with the  first hint had it been me....

aussie puts up your quote to prove you wrong
FD doesn't put up mine cause it would prove him wrong

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:45am: capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks.. Nonsence There is evidence that "gas chambers" ever existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOgfIhvy_o

we know you arent the sharpest tool in the shed but this was pseudoscience at its best, completely and immediately discredited at the time and since. Why dont you just google this stuff to avoid looking like a retard all the time.?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person? if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'...

You are aware that most historians who write about Egypt, Rome, or the WW2 have never met the people they analyze?  :-?

Psychological analysis on the basis of views and motivations expressed by the individual in writing or speech cannot be dismissed by the simple statement of "yeah mate, but ya never had a skooner with em did ya?".

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Moriaty wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;) Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person? if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'...

Not necassarily  a psychiatrist, but a forensic psychologist might.  Nothing delusional about it, just cold hard fact that it is possible to discern character traits from the written words.

rhino wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Moriaty wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;) Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person? if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'... Not necassarily  a psychiatrist, but a forensic psychologist might.  Nothing delusional about it, just cold hard fact that it is possible to discern character traits from the written words.

With the proviso that the opinion of an expert, as laid down by the Supreme Court Of Australia, MUST be supported by fact.  Now how you figure someone could ascertain 'fact' from a simple reading of posts online or even telephone discussion, is beyond me - and beyond these 'experts'.  A PROPER diagnosis may only be approached with a long term continuous observation and interaction between the subject and the observer........ and even then remains in the realm of opinion based on training and knowledge, but without clear observation and interaction must always remain an opinion ONLY.

All a 'forensic psychologist' (not a psychiatrist) might evolve is a POSSIBLE profile scenario that might or might not fit...... that 'profile' must then be tested in the real world before it can be considered as having any validity.

Voodoo doctors are NOT acceptable in the real world..... though they seem to be in the majority these days.... any dream will do....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aXy-I54gA

... NOT!

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:12pm:

cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:09pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:38pm: still not game enough to put up the rest of that conversation ehh FD?  Not only a liar, but a coward too. Ain't that right Jellyfish. Im surprised aussie hasnt put it up... he would have done with the  first hint had it been me.... aussie puts up your quote to prove you wrong FD doesn't put up mine cause it would prove him wrong

What am I wrong about John? And why are you so terrified to say?

Stop nudging me in the back, John. This is yours alone to sort out.

Will you lot just PM and stop clogging the threads.
Keep the topic going ffs.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

mothra wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 6:36pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 6:34pm: It's wrong to label people NAZIs for objecting to the destruction of a statue of national historical significance... Ol' Robert E was offered command of the Union armies, but turned it down to go with his native State in the Secessionist movement... wonder how that war would have gone if he'd run the other side.... The Ginneral didn't own a slave.... so what the hell do these damned carpet baggers think they're doing ripping down his statue and inciting unrest and violence? Change the candles for burning crosses.... that'll alienate 'em - oops - too late - they's already radicalised 'lefties' down there and armed with sticks and stuff to attack passersby who mnight.. just might ... be some kind of 'rightie'.  ::)  ::)  ::) Is that seriously how you think it went down? Like, really? What?  The Civil War?  Lee's lack of slave ownership?  The absurd idea of ripping down his statue, thus inciting a protest that lead to Antifa 'defending' churches and such from passing protestors and attacking some to do so, and thus creating the violent response from one protestor? What're you smoking tonight? What the fork does General Robert E Lee have to do with cops shooting blacks (and whites) in America? Stake out Cap'n Cook's statue - light them candles - let's see what slides out from under the rocks..... What do YOU claim happened down there?  It stated off as an approved protest against the utterly stupid idea of tearing down a statue, the cops canceled the approval to prevent bloodshed etc, and degenerated into running fights when these 'antifa' clowns got into the act.  If 'antifa' had not gone there.. there would have been no fight and no 'dunloping'. Now who knows where it will end?  With more real violence it would seem.... You calling me a NAZI for thinking that tearing down a statue of a Civil War hero is an idiot act? Bonus question:-  Do you ever actually contradict anyone's statement with anything but a question inferring that they are not in touch with facts (which you do not offer)?  Ever offer a fact or even an unbiased summary of events, rather than a bunch of twitter rubbish full of zero fact and a lot of hyperbole? Such as:-  "we all feared for our lives and antifa saved us from certain death" - this despite the FACT that  not one person there suffered so much as a scratch and no 'attack' materialised - but they were in immediate fear of losing their lives, just ask 'em... Jesus God! I read through all that rubbish and the most anyone suffered was a few insults as the deadly parade passed by.... but when antifa arrived there was mayhem.... but since the 'other side' are labeled 'white supremacists' and NAZIs - they have no rights to protection of law or self-defence. Just like the real NAZIs in Germany - where 'enemies of the state' were criminals and had no rights to legal protection or defence simply for being.... their very presence was an offence against the Reich and Volk and thus the Reich had no obligation to protect them. I think some of you really need a good close look at....

LOL! Little candles. Not one scratch. Hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkY7KlQ5CHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3IeG5Dz5U

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

What am I wrong about John?

where to start .... usually everything


freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 9:18am:

And why are you so terrified to say?

I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 9:30am:

Stop nudging me in the back, John. This is yours alone to sort out.

you're the one who jumped in and onto the jackass. :D :D

Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

Will you lot just PM and stop clogging the threads. Keep the topic going ffs.

FD prefers it this way. He has carried the same topic over at least 5 threads now. It's easier for him to lie when he does that.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 1:23am:

rhino wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Moriaty wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;) Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person? if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'... Not necassarily  a psychiatrist, but a forensic psychologist might.  Nothing delusional about it, just cold hard fact that it is possible to discern character traits from the written words. With the proviso that the opinion of an expert, as laid down by the Supreme Court Of Australia, MUST be supported by fact.  Now how you figure someone could ascertain 'fact' from a simple reading of posts online or even telephone discussion, is beyond me - and beyond these 'experts'.  A PROPER diagnosis may only be approached with a long term continuous observation and interaction between the subject and the observer........ and even then remains in the realm of opinion based on training and knowledge, but without clear observation and interaction must always remain an opinion ONLY. All a 'forensic psychologist' (not a psychiatrist) might evolve is a POSSIBLE profile scenario that might or might not fit...... that 'profile' must then be tested in the real world before it can be considered as having any validity. Voodoo doctors are NOT acceptable in the real world..... though they seem to be in the majority these days.... any dream will do.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aXy-I54gA ... NOT!

To the contrary, analysing personality type from online writings can be extraordinarily accurate, and if you think about it,  there is a very big reason why. You appear to be a little muddled, we are not talking about graphology which is the alleged science of analysing handwriting, neither am I claiming anything to do with presenting evidence in a court of law.

I actually agree with Rhino on this one. Whilst not perfect, you can tell a lot about someone by what they write

Hey Rhino, ask your shrink friend if he can explain what it says about someone if they always misrepresent what everyone else says? Also ask him if he would relate that type of behaviour to a Jellyfish (spineless).

rhino wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 11:30pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:42pm: cods wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:45am: capitosinora wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:16am: Of course that's wrong and Hypocritical. Have a look at Jews everything what Nazis did to them they do to Palestinians. gosh news to me Israel has gas chambers....can you tell us where they are..and how many Palestinians have been gassed.... thanks.. Nonsence There is evidence that "gas chambers" ever existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOgfIhvy_o we know you arent the sharpest tool in the shed but this was pseudoscience at its best, completely and immediately discredited at the time and since. Why dont you just google this stuff to avoid looking like a retard all the time.?

Salam, salam why my Askhenazi brother is so personal and angry.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 1:23am:

rhino wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:52pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:56pm: Moriaty wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:09pm: Rudolf Wilhelm wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44pm: It is not my term Crappler.  You need to ask the person who started the discussion whoever that was. That would be Freediver. Who would be hard up to distinguish between Nazis, Muslims and Women. Judging by his past postings, he seems to hate/want-to-be all them. I suspect a mediocre school education, followed by the harsh realization that life doesn't hand out ribbons for coming last. One of the fellows I play bowls with is a psychiatrist. I might get him to read through these forums to come up with some diagnosis for a few of the more "special" characters around here.  ;) Fascinating - so a psychiatrist would read through postings online and without ever meeting the person, discover some mighty truths about that person? if so, he .. and you .. are delusional.  Nothing new in the head shrinker 'profession'... Not necassarily  a psychiatrist, but a forensic psychologist might.  Nothing delusional about it, just cold hard fact that it is possible to discern character traits from the written words. With the proviso that the opinion of an expert, as laid down by the Supreme Court Of Australia, MUST be supported by fact.  Now how you figure someone could ascertain 'fact' from a simple reading of posts online or even telephone discussion, is beyond me - and beyond these 'experts'.  A PROPER diagnosis may only be approached with a long term continuous observation and interaction between the subject and the observer........ and even then remains in the realm of opinion based on training and knowledge, but without clear observation and interaction must always remain an opinion ONLY. All a 'forensic psychologist' (not a psychiatrist) might evolve is a POSSIBLE profile scenario that might or might not fit...... that 'profile' must then be tested in the real world before it can be considered as having any validity. Voodoo doctors are NOT acceptable in the real world..... though they seem to be in the majority these days.... any dream will do.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aXy-I54gA... NOT!

The Forensic expert says you need 68 years to kill so many people in 24h three shifts "gas chambers".
It is very strange considering that WW2 say lasted only five years.

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2017 at 2:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:53am: No you haven't John. I see a total of one accusation so far from you that I have misrepresented you, but when asked what I said that was misrepresenting or why it is misleading, you turn into a jellyfish. You're a liar. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503408162/15 John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 1:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:41am: John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:25am: freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 10:22am: How have I misrepresented you John? Queue the jellyfish. I've asked you multiple times to put up the rest of that conversation FD. Why do you run away from it? Are you worried your bullsh1t won't stand up to scrutiny? No you haven't John. How have I misrepresented you John? And what sound does a jellyfish make? bullshit John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:51pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 8:46pm: Is this misrepresenting you John? why didn't you put up the rest of that conversation FD? the original version? This is the third thread you've dragged this conversation to ... are you trying to get some distance between the conversation and your twist on it? :D :D and again John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:12pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:00pm: You have not answered once John. The dance of the apologist continues.... I've answered several times FD. Why don't you put up the rest of that conversation if you're so sure I haven't answered? In it's entirety. but wait, there's more John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:25pm: freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:20pm: Because you have spent several pages running away from the question John I did no such thing. I spent several pages explaining to you that it had already been answered. I even copy pasted the answers for you on three different occasions. Fkked if I'm going to do it again. You want them , you fetch. I notice you're hesitant to put up the rest of the conversation we had FD. Why is that? why did you feel the need to start a third thread on the same crap?  :D :D :D hold on, we're not done yet folks John Smith wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 9:25pm: still pretending ehh FD. Where's the rest of that conversation? Ar eyou worried you'll look an even bigger fool if you put it up? ;D ;D so I asked you to show the rest of the conversation on at least 4 seperate occassions, and that's without my going back to the original thread FD, and you're still pretending I never asked.  ;D ;D tell me FD,  is it that you are partially blind and honestly don't see my replies? or is it simply that you're a lying dishonest jellyfish? keep pretending FD.

Whoa there John, technically you are asking FD why he didn't post it - not actually asking him to post it...

well... I actually wouldn't put it past FD to literally use this argument in his defence, such is the absurd level of pedantry he has reached here...

then technically, he is an idiot.

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 12:30pm:

then technically, he is an idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_cRTc62MQ

Real Holocaust survivors speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVmIaBW-HjI

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 12:30pm: then technically, he is an idiot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc_cRTc62MQ

FD is a huge supporter of free speech.  :D :D :D :D

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair...

Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes...

FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say.

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:16pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:15pm: It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes... FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say.

It seems to me he is saying that this position, of criticising people for what they think, crosses all boundaries, and is not just the exclusive domain of those labeled as 'NAZIs' or 'racists' or whatever, regardless of how the current 'left' or whatever seek to re-define words to suit their 'causes'.

Seems a fair point to me....... if FD were against free speech, as the Fuhrer of Ozpol, he could ban people for disagreeing with him - he demonstrably does not...

It's a lot like the dopey 'feminist' women who crowed that since men had been oppressing women for so long, it was only right that men be subjected to policies of exclusion in - say - the public service etc....

Such nonsense is just childish tit for tat.... and leads to open warfare some day.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:15pm:

It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes... I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair... Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation...

And yet absolutely nobody is doing that.

mothra wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:24pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:15pm: It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes... I don't necessarily agree with SSM (etc) - but I don't run around labeling the gays who support that 'supremacist' or 'NAZI' or (???) 'racist' ..... fair's fair... Open discussion works better every time.... rather than childish confrontation... And yet absolutely nobody is doing that.

These terms ''white supremacy" etc just came out of nowhere?  None of these 'antifa' personages uttered them?  The media isn't daily screeching these terms as if they are real definitions of those involved?

None so blind as they who will not see.

Please verify with links etc... thus far in these 'discussions' of 'white supremacy' etc, I have yet to see one single thing that indicates that those involved were pursing 'white supremacy'..... it seems to me that they were primarily protesting about some very stupid decision of a local council that over-stepped its rights and authorities, in seeking to degrade the value of history and of historical characters......

Is stating that 'white lives matter' any different from stating 'black lives matter'?

I can't see any 'white supremacy' in that.. let alone 'neo-NAZIsm or 'racism' - which are the words being bandied about.

At what point will these self-proclaimed 'freedom fighters' see that permitting a council to do such things will also apply to them and their own values.... I can envisage nothing more stupid than in-fighting while the Sheriff of Nottingham runs off to the bank....

The real enemy of all is overbearing government, which historically has been THE most destructive influence on this planet.

So - in that context - which are the 'freedom fighters' and which the 'oppressors' here?

I know how hard it is to answer simple questions with a little fact and fair reasoning - and how much easier it is to suggest that anyone who disagrees is 'delusional' etc - but do try.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:16pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:15pm: It is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a view or having a grievance with which you do not agree..... if that standard were applied, the world is overflowing with NAZIs of all stripes... FD wants you to criticise people for what they think, not what they do or say. It seems to me he is saying that this position, of criticising people for what they think, crosses all boundaries, and is not just the exclusive domain of those labeled as 'NAZIs' or 'racists' or whatever, regardless of how the current 'left' or whatever seek to re-define words to suit their 'causes'. Seems a fair point to me....... if FD were against free speech, as the Fuhrer of Ozpol, he could ban people for disagreeing with him - he demonstrably does not... It's a lot like the dopey 'feminist' women who crowed that since men had been oppressing women for so long, it was only right that men be subjected to policies of exclusion in - say - the public service etc.... Such nonsense is just childish tit for tat.... and leads to open warfare some day.

no one said it was limited to Nazi's Grap ... it never is with FD. It's always about muslims.

and no one said FD was against free speech ;)

You know what "Blood and Soil" means, Grap?

Here they are with their little candles, protesting about statues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVc1hvD6mCw

While the sentiment may bear relation to a NAZI three-liner - its relevance is in the cost of the War of Independence, the Civil War, and the 'holy' adherence to the land fought over as something sacred... the blood spilled to preserve a way of life...

A Kaffir-lover should understand that..... this adherence to the lend..... that goes without question.... and honouring the blood spilt to preserve 'freedom' in its many guises and a way of life also goes without question.

Why is it sacred for a Kaffir to have an attachment to the land, but no whitey can?

Captain Cook didn't so much as discover Australia as ram it...

Nazis in Germany were good citizens.
My grandfather was a Nazi  and he was very nice to Askhenazis and other Jews.

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

Nazis in Germany were good citizens. My grandfather was a Nazi  and he was very nice to Askhenazis and other  Jews.

The majority of nazis were good people who intergrated and were contributing to the country.

See how stoopid that sounds

Now put muzzo where the word nazi is and you have the exact same situation.

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:55am:

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you.

Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like?

freediver wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like?

no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write.

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

The Forensic expert says you need 68 years to kill so many people in 24h three shifts "gas chambers". It is very strange considering that WW2 say lasted only five years.

Does this expert have a name?

I repeat -  it is wrong to criticise people AS NAZIs for holding a different view or having a grievance with which you do not agree...... if that were the yardstick, this world is filled with NAZIs.....

John Smith wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write.

You've been practicing, haven't you?

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:19am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write. You've been practicing, haven't you?

you probably think that means something to anyone. ::) ::)

To me it means FD lost the argument a long time ago.

Arnold Schwarzeneggers' father was a nazi and he is facilitating the nazi agenda ..

here he is with buffet and rothschild , 2 billionaire globalists , of which

he is a mere puppet of and carries out their ordered directives ..

he would never have been governor otherwise ..

and now they are continuing efforts to change the constitution to allow foreigners to run for president

http://www.texemarrs.com/images/buffett_schwarzenegger_rothschild.jpg

http://www.whale.to/b/3.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7l5MKgevc

Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Fourth Reich

Published on Mar 5, 2010
This video clip shows many frightening aspects of the California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Topics explained include his Nazi affiliations and racist views, his power hungry and domination obsessed nature and lack of self-control which has been exhibited in the past through such behavior as his going on racist profanity laden tirades in public, as well as his heavy past use of anabolic steroids which have been show to have dangerous side effects such as "roid rage," which includes mania, delusions of grandeur and extreme aggression. Also shown is a push by many of the elite to attempt to position him as President of the United States.
Category
News & Politics

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:24am:

To me it means FD lost the argument a long time ago.

FD lost the argument as soon as he tried to hide the original context by moving it onto another 4 threads. He's just a little slow at working it out.

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:23am:

freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:19am: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write. You've been practicing, haven't you? you probably think that means something to anyone. ::) ::)

Your jellyfish impersonation. You are getting quite good at it. Seeing as you are on a roll, should we refrain from criticising Nazis unless they do something wrong or openly reveal their hate?

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:27am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:23am: freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:19am: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write. You've been practicing, haven't you? you probably think that means something to anyone. ::) ::) Your jellyfish impersonation. You are getting quite good at it. Seeing as you are on a roll, should we refrain from criticising Nazis unless they do something wrong or openly reveal their hate?

I'm an amateur compared to you FD>

you have a PhD at being spineless

Valkie wrote on Aug 25^th, 2017 at 7:30pm:

capitosinora wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 7:27pm: Nazis in Germany were good citizens. My grandfather was a Nazi  and he was very nice to Askhenazis and other  Jews. The majority of nazis were good people who intergrated and were contributing to the country. See how stoopid that sounds Now put muzzo where the word nazi is and you have the exact same situation.

Nazi scientists who migrated in America after WW2 tremendously helped America.
Here are 9 Nazi Scientists Who Helped to Build America:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2

As World War Two drew to a close, the United States rushed to collect as many good Nazi scientists as possible through a secret mission called Operation Paperclip. As some had been wrongly branded war criminals at Nuremberg, the U.S. military whitewashed the backgrounds of many scientists in an attempt to justify hiring them.

Knowing that trouble was brewing already with the Soviet Union, these scientists were employed by the U.S. in a wide variety of roles — including NASA space program.

Below are some of the most influential Nazis who played unquestionably large roles in America’s emerging technological dominance during the Cold War.
One of them was my grandfather who had lots of Jewish friends who were very happy to use him by investing money in his work and gaining big profit from that.

Wernher von Braun
Werner Dahm
Hermann H. Kurzweg
Konrad Dannenberg
Kurt Heinrich Debus
Walter Robert Dornberger
Eberhard Friedrich Michael Rees
Ernst Stuhlinger
Hubertus Strughold

John Smith wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:31am:

freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:27am: John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:23am: freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:19am: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write. You've been practicing, haven't you? you probably think that means something to anyone. ::) ::) Your jellyfish impersonation. You are getting quite good at it. Seeing as you are on a roll, should we refrain from criticising Nazis unless they do something wrong or openly reveal their hate? I'm an amateur compared to you FD> you have a PhD at being spineless

Let's go for the trifecta. How have I misrepresented you John?

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:24am:

Arnold Schwarzeneggers' father was a nazi and he is facilitating the nazi agenda .. here he is with buffet and rothschild , 2 billionaire globalists , of which he is a mere puppet of and carries out their ordered directives .. he would never have been governor otherwise .. and now they are continuing efforts to change the constitution to allow foreigners to run for president http://www.texemarrs.com/images/buffett_schwarzenegger_rothschild.jpg http://www.whale.to/b/3.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7l5MKgevc Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Fourth Reich Published on Mar 5, 2010 This video clip shows many frightening aspects of the California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Topics explained include his Nazi affiliations and racist views, his power hungry and domination obsessed nature and lack of self-control which has been exhibited in the past through such behavior as his going on racist profanity laden tirades in public, as well as his heavy past use of anabolic steroids which have been show to have dangerous side effects such as "roid rage," which includes mania, delusions of grandeur and extreme aggression. Also shown is a push by many of the elite to attempt to position him as President of the United States. Category News & Politics

Lovely boy Rothschild's son Arny.

freediver wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:31am: freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:27am: John Smith wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:23am: freediver wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:19am: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:21pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 10:55am: freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: What am I wrong about John? where to start .... usually everything freediver wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 9:18am: And why are you so terrified to say? I've said it all FD. But you keep pretending. It suits you. Not saying eh? Can you tell us what a jellyfish sounds like? no, I can't hear you. Only read what you write. You've been practicing, haven't you? you probably think that means something to anyone. ::) ::) Your jellyfish impersonation. You are getting quite good at it. Seeing as you are on a roll, should we refrain from criticising Nazis unless they do something wrong or openly reveal their hate? I'm an amateur compared to you FD> you have a PhD at being spineless Let's go for the trifecta. How have I misrepresented you John?

do you not read the replies from me and others FD? Do you ignore them in the hope that everyone else will forget they are there?
I'm not interested in your stupid games where you ask the same things over and over. Sure, you can ask away, just don't expect me to keep answering. If you really want the answers, go back to the beginning and read the replies .... but this time, do it with your eyes open