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THE Education Department has today completely backflipped on comments made about religious daggers being allowed in Queensland schools.

It comes after The Courier-Mail revealed the father of a student, who is also a member of the Sikh faith, was allowed to bring a kirpan — a religious ceremonial sword — through the gates, as long as he covered it.

When contacted by The Courier-Mail yesterday a spokeswoman for the acting Education Minister Grace Grace backed the principal’s handling of the situation, which happened last year.

“The department is aware of a nonviolent incident involving a kirpan at a school more than 18 months ago,” the spokeswoman had said.

“The incident was appropriately managed by the principal at the time.”
An example of a kirpan, a type of religious dagger, worn at all times by baptised Sikhs.

But today the Department’s Director General Dr Jim Watterston said the wrong decision was made to allow a man to bring a kirpan onto school grounds.

“The wrong decision was made. And let’s be really clear about that,” Dr Watterston told ABC Radio today.

“As it states very clearly in the Queensland Weapons Act of 1990, a kirpan — which is the name of that ceremonial knife — cannot be worn into the school grounds. Based on the Weapons Act it’s constituted as a knife.”

A concerned parent, worried that children might be frightened and in danger, had contacted the Education Department about the incident.

The principal of the school had contacted police to seek advice about whether the kirpan was allowed.

Two officers told the principal that the item — which is a religious symbol and must be worn by Sikh males — was completely legal.

“I realise it’s ceremonial and I realise it’s got some religious value, but we don’t tolerate knives in schools and there’s no grey areas around this,” Dr Watterston said today.

“It’s unfortunate that the principal got some advice that was well-meaning and at the time thought was correct, but it wasn’t correct.”

Opposition Leader Tim Nicholls said someone in the Education Department needed to take responsibility for the advice provided to the principal.

“I think the principal tried to find out in good faith,” he said.

“I think the problem lies further up the chain than simply with the principal.”

A QUEENSLAND school has bowed to religious sensitivities and allowed a parent to carry a sword through its gates, despite concerns that children were frightened and felt unsafe.

The parent — who is a member of the Sikh faith — was allowed to wear the sword, known as a kirpan, despite another parent’s complaints about student safety.

The kirpan is one of five ceremonial symbols that must be worn by males of the Sikh religion.

According to Queensland law, the kirpan is illegal on school grounds.

But the Education Department has vowed to keep allowing the item to be worn around students on a “case-by-case basis”.

The principal of the school last year sought advice from two police officers about the legality of the kirpan around students and was told it was completely legal.

He was told by a senior police sergeant the man’s kirpan was allowed on school grounds if covered.

As a result, the principal told the Sikh parent he could keep wearing it, but suggested he also wear “a two-piece outfit so the kirpan is not conspicuous”.

The principal’s handling of the situation caused more outrage and the concerned parent wrote to Education Minister Kate Jones.

The name of the school in question has been withheld by the State Government, but the Minister’s briefing note on the situation — obtained by The Courier-Mail — reveals she was made aware that kirpans in school were illegal.

It is not clear what action Ms Jones took. But she was advised last year that reporting kirpans to police could cause unrest within Queensland’s Sikh community.

She was also advised that a policy be created Queensland-wide about the use of weapons on school grounds.

“Educate the school community to ensure that all students, parents and staff are aware of the policy for carrying knives on school grounds,” Ms Jones’ adviser wrote to her.

“I am of the view that the contents ... contained in this brief are not suitable for publication as the matter may have cultural sensitivity for members of the Sikh religion.”

Despite the warning, the ministerial briefing note was released to the public under Right to Information laws earlier this month.

Queensland’s Weapons Act 1990 states the kirpan cannot be worn on school grounds for any reason.

But a spokeswoman for the acting Education Minister Grace Grace backed the principal’s handling of the situation.

“The department is aware of a nonviolent incident involving a kirpan at a school more than 18 months ago,” she said.

“The incident was appropriately managed by the principal at the time.”

A spokesman for the Education Department told The Courier-Mail: “A kirpan generally has a dull blade and dull point, and therefore may not be considered a weapon.

“If a state school principal becomes aware that a kirpan carried by a student or staff member on school premises has a sharp edge or is pointed or is being used to threaten or harm, the kirpan may be considered a weapon..........

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-school-allows-sikh-parent-to-carry-ceremonial-sword-on-to-grounds/news-story/6225a582d6fb84fa434bf27ebcf7c54f

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Two officers told the principal that the item — which is a religious symbol and must be worn by Sikh males — was completely legal.

No wonder the confusion.

Aussie wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

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Two officers told the principal that the item — which is a religious symbol and must be worn by Sikh males — was completely legal.

No wonder the confusion.

Is that the best you can do? ;D ;D

Sikh knife no longer allowed on school grounds

The Queensland Education Department has deemed a principal’s decision to allow a parent of Sikh faith to carry a ceremonial knife onto school grounds, as wrong.

The Courier Mail reported a parent wrote to the Education Minister more than 18 months ago to complain about the incident, in which a father was wearing a kirpan, the ceremonial knife, onto school grounds.

According to Department of Education and Training Director-General Dr Jim Watterston, the principal gave permission after discussions with police who advised the knife was allowed if it was covered.

Dr Watterston did, however, go on to say the decision went against the department’s policy.

"Knives of any type, whether they are a dull blade or ceremonial, are not allowed on school grounds," he told ABC Radio.

"We don't allow weapons into schools. Full stop."

He stopped short of blaming the principal and said fault should not lay with anyone.

"It was unfortunate the principal got advice that was thought to be well-meaning and at the time thought to be correct."

https://tenplay.com.au/news/national/august-2017/sikh-knife-no-longer-allowed-on-school-grounds

Issue is over.

So

Its ok for me to carry my knife on religious grounds.

Im starting a new religion

And everyone in it can carry Samurai swords.

Stooopid grubberment

Why was a religious nutcase ever allowed on school grounds with a sword?

The headmaster needs to be sent to prison as an example to others.

I reckon that if I walked into any Staff Room at any School, or into any 'Tuck Shop,' I'd find any number of knives.

This is the chaos that the fungal Greenies have reduced our schools to.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Why was a religious nutcase ever allowed on school grounds with a sword?

The headmaster needs to be sent to prison as an example to others.

yes, undoubtly the headmaster is a SJW

Is the HeadMaster a Greeny ? Cause that wood xplain everything.

Ah, silly me!

Of course, ....it is 'multicultural' for ethnics to carry large, edged weapons in public, ....so this is completely kosher.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG!

/sarc off

What next ?

Moslems wanting to have access to AK47's, ...or they will feel naked/discriminated against ? ?

:D

When Bull S. RESTARTS the BOATS and holds the door open for the ISIS terrorists to pour in will they take knives into the schools ?

juliar wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:31pm:

When Bull S. RESTARTS the BOATS and holds the door open for the ISIS terrorists to pour in will they take knives into the schools ?

Can't restart something that hasn't stopped.

Plus:

Flown to Australia, granted asylum, given Australian citizenship, and carried out a terrorist attack, all under the Liberal Party.

Why do you and the Liberal Party condone terrorism by those who fly here, juliar?

juliar wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:31pm:

When Bull S. RESTARTS the BOATS and holds the door open for the ISIS terrorists to pour in

will they take knives into the schools ?

Well, moslems living in Australia, have told us that they do have 'a use', and 'a very good reason' to be allowed to bring edged weapons into Australian schools.
i.e.
......there are lots, and lots of infidel teachers, in those schools!!!

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1489664340/0#0

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'Teacher quits after primary school students threaten to behead her'

QUESTION;
Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Students as young at 11 have apparently threatened to behead teachers at a public school in Sydney's southwest. Photo: 7 News

Q.
Why do we allow these nefarious people [moslems] to live among us ?

Yadda wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:41pm:

One day,       THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN,       here in Australia.

Some moslem child    will    slaughter, either a teacher or another student [who is not a moslem].

Why so ?       .....why am i so, so, certain that this is going to happen, in Australia ???

BECAUSE MANY, MANY MOSLEM CHILDREN, ARE BEING BROUGHT UP,
IN A MOSLEM HOUSEHOLD WHERE HIS HER FAMILY TEACHES,
THAT IT IS A RELIGIOUS VIRTUE, FOR ANY MOSLEM TO COMMIT SUCH AN ACT.

TRUE !!!!!!!!!

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"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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IMAGE...

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters

QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!

n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503998490/0#0

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Why has this been happening in Australia, .....too ?

A.
1/ Because all moslems are latent, wanna-be, homicidal maniacs.

A.
2/ Because in their own homes moslems are teaching their own children how to be good moslems.

A.
3/ Because in their own homes moslems are teaching their own children how to be followers of ISLAM.

Yadda wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:41pm:

One day, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, here in Australia.

Some moslem child will slaughter, either a teacher or another student [who is not a moslem].

You're probably right.

We've already had non-Muslim students do it, so I suppose it's possible that a Muslim student will do it one day too.

Tell me, though, why don't the violent non-Muslim students concern you?

I'm curious.

Yadda wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:41pm:

juliar wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 6:31pm:

When Bull S. RESTARTS the BOATS and holds the door open for the ISIS terrorists to pour in

will they take knives into the schools ?

Q.
Why do we allow these nefarious people [moslems] to live among us ?

Its an excellent question.

First, one must realise that our politicians are safe from these animals.
Living in the houses that corruption built they fear nothing, especially when they can get police protection in an instant.

Secondly, as stooopid as muzzos are, they know that attacking politicians is a quick way to end their gravy train.
Not even the stoopidist of them all knows better than to bring an end to their free life.

Thirdly, our sneaky politicians see the muzzosvas a means to an end.
Bring in murderious, barbaric nutcases, allow a few dozen Australians to be murdered and you have carte blanch for introducing more and more draconian rules and laws....FOR OUR OWN PROTECTION OF COURSE.

It worked with howards gun laws, and with the bali bombings
We have given away all of our rights and anonymity just so we can feel safe
And our pollies, and secret police have us all under observation.

Finally, there is the idioots who are played like violins by the politically astute thought police.
They want these barbarians in our country, believing that they will boost the population and subsequetly the number of people loking for work.
Then they can drive down wages and make more profit.
Unfortunately for them, muzzos dont work, and they are a drain on the welfare system.

These are the reasons we have this CULT and all its troubles

We are stuck with them

All we can do now is to ensure you can protect yourself and never hesitate when the time comes, and it will.

Valkie wrote on Aug 31^st, 2017 at 7:08pm:

All we can do now is to ensure you can protect yourself and never hesitate when the time comes, and it will.

How will we protect ourselves against religious fanatics armed with swords?

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