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this is how ridiculously ferked out Electricity System has become under the Labor Andrews Government.. ffs..

its laughable!!!!

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Victorians will be paid to cut energy during extreme heat, peak demand this summer

VICTORIANS will be paid to turn down airconditioners during extreme heat or at times of peak power demand in an effort to avoid large-scale blackouts this summer.

Australia’s energy market operator revealed this week that both Victoria and South Australia needed to take urgent measures to avoid an increased risk of energy shortfalls in the coming months.

Under the plan, Victorian households and businesses would be able to volunteer to use less energy, for a discount on their bill, when the national power grid is under stress.

Energy providers who will take part in the $30 million trial — run by the Australian Energy Market Operator and the Australian Renewable Energy Agency — will be announced in late October.

The scheme would provide incentive payments to consumers who volunteer to be on standby to cut their power use — for as little as 30 minutes — during emergencies or on days of high electricity demand.

This could involve consumers turning down airconditioners or cutting backyard pool pumps for a short period, in return for credits on their bill.

This could potentially cut up to $500 off an annual household power budget.

Energy retailers will decide how to recruit customers and the discount rate.

Industry sources say that if widely adopted, the policy could deliver about 3000 megawatts of power to the national grid, potentially making it unnecessary to build gas-fired plants that would be called on only occasionally.

The Herald Sun understands Victoria will not follow South Australia’s decision to use large-scale diesel generation this summer for temporary back-up power. {bullshit}

Instead it will work with the AEMO, which will compensate businesses who feed power from their private generators into the grid when emergency power is required.

The recent closure of Hazelwood power station has led to a “tight” supply and demand balance in the national electricity market, which is more vulnerable than ever to the loss of output.

Chief Scientist Alan Finkel, in his review into Australia’s future energy security, said demand management could be rolled out rapidly.

“Making better use of demand response in the National Energy Market represents a low cost and as yet underdeveloped opportunity to maintain reliability,” he said.

The Australia Institute executive director Ben Oquist said demand response could allow consumers to not only save money but make money this summer, while also helping to stabilise the power grid.

“Consumers could be paid $25 a pop just to turn down their airconditioner and pool pump for a couple of hours,” he told the Herald Sun.

“This should be the focus of our energy debate, not what happens to an ageing coal plant in NSW in 2022.”

The Australian Renewable Energy Agency said energy providers, retailers, large industrial customers and technology firms had applied to take part in a three-year demand response trial from December.

They are expected to run a variety of demand response programs that will involve both industrial, commercial and residential consumers.

AEMO chief executive Audrey Zibelman has said that power demand management at peak periods had proved cost-effective and could help avoid blackouts.

ANDREW BOLT: IDIOCY FUELS OUR ENERGY POLICIES

I can see vulnerable old people trying to take on this to get a few bucks back because they are desperate but instead put their health in danger.. :-/

Who's responsible for this deplorable situation?

Where supposed to be a 1st world country not some Bangladeshi backwater.

Our ancestors dealt with 40 degree days with no air con. We should try some cement and just HTFU

Bobby. wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 12:57pm:

Who's responsible for this deplorable situation?

Where supposed to be a 1st world country not some Bangladeshi backwater.

Is this why Australian refugee Andrei Hicks, David Hicks' brother, sought asylum in UK?

Labor is heading for a massive defeat at the State AND Federal elections!!!!

Hooray!! Australia is saved from the evil Socialist menace!!!!

What will Bull S. do after he loses the election in a landslide ? Open a hotdog stall ? He has had plenty of experience with hotdogs.

He would be able to wear his daggy blue soot behind the counter.

Doesn't Bull S. look sloppy in that crumpled daggy blue soot ? Wonder if it has a built in bra support ?

What does that have to do with the OP?

Yep great plan bribing pensioners to not use their air-conditioners in the middle of a heat wave, to save being forced to provide power to old people when they need it most.

Wonder how many dead bodies will be enough before they work out that dead pensioners is bad PR for any government. Especially ones too stupid to build a fkken power station.

The stupidity gripping this Country about Power Supply is stunning

Bloody hell, build the coal fired stations that will provide power aplenty and stick the windmills up your arses!!!

red baron wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

The stupidity gripping this Country about Power Supply is stunning

Bloody hell, build the coal fired stations that will provide power aplenty and stick the windmills up your arses!!!

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Although the politically correct BH can't comprehend it, this utter energy supply incompetence of Labor both at State and federal level will result in massive loss for Labor at the next state and federal election.

In Question Time Mal is wiping the floor with Blackouts Bull S. day after day and Mal knows he is on an election winner.

Labor's incompetent stupidity and technical obtusity over energy supply will certainly lose them the election.

Now BH do you comprehend ? Probably not.

Mal is as much as saying they will upgrade existing power stations to Clean Coal but he is carefully avoiding actually saying that to stop the dumb Greenies going berserk.

Every discussion on renewable rubbish turns to Sth Aust to show renewable rubbish is the road to ruin.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 2:48pm:

a lot of them will gladly sign up as they can't afford to turn the bloody thing on anyways...

a couple of weeks ago I was having a coffee at one of my favourite places..

I bump into an old lady now and again who sits on the same table as me as they are lounge chairs where we like to sit and we are usually both alone...

so we ready the papers have drink our coffees..

the last time I bumped into her she was already at the coffee shop.. bitterly cold!! and I went over and sat with her...

after about another half hour or so she says..

"oh well, I'd better get home I can't sit here all day, ... I only come here on these cold mornings because I can't afford to put the heating on for too long at home" :(

I very nearly fell of me chair and tried not to look shocked...

its absolutely unforgivable in a country like this that old folk are trying to find a warm/cool place to be during the day as they cannot afford to turn the power on at home....

like WFT ???

this is still australia isn't it??

red baron wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

The stupidity gripping this Country about Power Supply is stunning

Bloody hell, build the coal fired stations that will provide power aplenty and stick the windmills up your arses!!!

While it would seem to make sense to build coal fired power plants, it all comes down to whether or not you're going to see a reasonable Return On Investment. There are currently projections that if all renewable energy projects proposed to be completed within the next five years are completed, combined with the uptake in residential and commercial solar, the Spot Price will drop from the current average of $80 per MWh to $15 - 20 per MWh during the day. Given that the cost to run the latest coal fired power plants is around $15 per MWh, you can see why no one is building a new coal fired power plant.

juliar wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 1:54pm:

Where have heard that before , oh yeah, my signature ;D

red baron wrote on Sep 8^th, 2017 at 2:53pm:

The stupidity gripping this Country about Power Supply is stunning

Bloody hell, build the coal fired stations that will provide power aplenty and stick the windmills up your arses!!!

Coal fired (and nuclear) power plants ARE not - and WILL not - be ever built in this country again, for one simple reason

Energy companies do not see them as a financially viable investment*

This view aligns perfectly with Malcolm Turnbull's (Coal)ition Government 's mantra - "let the market decide"

The (Coal)ition Government would rather forget this, when it come to energy investment

*The dirtiest power plant in the world - Hazelwood, Victoria - was recently closed by its French owner - ENGIE - and not the Andrews Government, as the Victorian Opposition and Federal (Coal)ition have implied

https://environmentvictoria.org.au/hazelwood-faqs/

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