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Message started by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:01am

Title: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:01am
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Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by miketrees on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:17am


Well I thought she was a koont and I never knew she was melatonin enhanced.


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by miketrees on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:18am


So she has played the race card, she still has the girly card and the disabled card to play.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:51am

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.





miketrees wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:18am:
So she has played the race card, she still has the girly card and the disabled card to play.





if thats how a badly treated brown second class citiz looks in Australia   

I want to be one.. :) :)


she looks so down trodden and beaten by a society

that up until she insulted a few people   [as brown people seems to be able to do]...and was taken to task for it...

nmo one had ever heard of her....

yet she was so down trodden by this awful white society  that she chose to live and work  in for a very long time.....no one drove her out of the country....

all you do is close down your facebook account  and b ingo..... the idiots will stop  and the rest of us will stop caring...


pity me poor me...look at me...


yeah right! >:(



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:20pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


The redefining of the tern 'racism' by the socialists who work on compiling the annual upgrading of the Oxford Dictionary has been a godsend to wankers everywhere.

Religion is now included under 'racism'.

Even clothing (hijabs and burqas) now comes under the protection of anti-racism laws.

Cultural practices now come under racism laws.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Fireball on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:33pm
How does this biatch manage to get into UK?
Does she have UK citizenship?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:41pm

Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 12:33pm:
How does this biatch manage to get into UK?
Does she have UK citizenship?



A drover's dog can get into Britain on a working visa.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Baronvonrort on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:10pm
I hope she pisses off for good, what a waste of taxpayers money to fund her junkets saying Islam is a feminist religion

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm
Oh good. The Daily Mail. Fair. Balanced. Objective.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.


Quote me and we can talk about it, otherwise you're pissing into the wind.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


He's missing you, G.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.



Hush now Karnal ... it's okay when we say it. It's not okay when the tinted folk make a fuss over it.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


He's missing you, G.



Do prawns feel pain?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:39pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.


Quote me and we can talk about it, otherwise you're pissing into the wind.


Don't play that. These are your views. She's expressing them. Why are you so sh1tty with that?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:43pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Hush now Karnal ... it's okay when we say it. It's not okay when the tinted folk make a fuss over it.




Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:48pm
She claims  to be the victim of 'brown poopy syndrome'....


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:01pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Hush now Karnal ... it's okay when we say it. It's not okay when the tinted folk make a fuss over it.






is that you under a sheet  herb..

mothra will be pleased..

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:06pm

cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:01pm:
is that you under a sheet  herb..

mothra will be pleased..




Mothra was telling us how she likes phallic symbols like guitars and thingies.


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:14pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
She claims  to be the victim of 'brown poopy syndrome'....


One stool or two?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:06pm:

cods wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:01pm:
is that you under a sheet  herb..

mothra will be pleased..




Mothra was telling us how she likes phallic symbols like guitars and thingies.





herb   she will be dreaming about you boy!....bugger the guitars...

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:34pm
Does anyone actually disagree with Yassmin?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:39pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Does anyone actually disagree with Yassmin?

I'm curious.



YES.... did you understand that kemel   if its too hard let me know....

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.



Hush now Karnal ... it's okay when we say it. It's not okay when the tinted folk make a fuss over it.


She's not even making a fuss over it, she's just saying it as it is.

To keep working, the tinted races have to defer to Whitey. The model of this was the ever-smiling Kamal. "Why are people so unkind"?

Check out all the fuss over Stan Grant now that he's writing a few columns and expressing his own point of view. The memes tell the story all too well with the various shades of his skin, showing that he seems to have gotten "blacker" over the years. Uncanny.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Fireball on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


He's missing you, G.



Do prawns feel pain?


Why, have you got a headache?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:43pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:35pm:
I'm curious, Herbie. Do you disagree with anything she's saying? You've been saying for years the blacks should know their place, shut up and try to fit in until they're eradicated.

She's saving you saying it all over again, Herb.



Hush now Karnal ... it's okay when we say it. It's not okay when the tinted folk make a fuss over it.


She's not even making a fuss over it, she's just saying it as it is.

To keep working, the tinted races have to defer to Whitey. The model of this was the ever-smiling Kamal. "Why are people so unkind"?

Check out all the fuss over Stan Grant now that he's writing a few columns and expressing his own point of view. The memes tell the story all too well with the various shades of his skin, showing that he seems to have gotten "blacker" over the years. Uncanny.



Lizards. Us or them.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm

Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


He's missing you, G.



Do prawns feel pain?


Why, have you got a headache?


Oh. Well done! Scintillating repartee! Your best work, no?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:45pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
She claims  to be the victim of 'brown poopy syndrome'....


One stool or two?

And karnal came running!!
;D

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:51pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.



2x

She has demonstrated her immaturity by taking refuge in the 'racism' bunker.

Meanwhile, this coloured woman keeps powering on with no recourse to racial paranoia.


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:53pm

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:14pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:48pm:
She claims  to be the victim of 'brown poopy syndrome'....


One stool or two?

And karnal came running!!
;D


;D ;D ;D

Just couldn't help himself. So many good memories ..... Turd parties.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by BigOl64 on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.



2x

She has demonstrated her immaturity by taking refuge in the 'racism' bunker.

Meanwhile, this coloured woman keeps powering on with no recourse to racial paranoia.


Herbie, you are racist. You say that people who aren't will be dealt with in the fullness of time.

Yassmin's just agreeing with you.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:24pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.


That's right, Hole. Magnus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

The whiney tinted bitch deserves everything she gets.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:31pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.


The footy show is tremendously unpopular, isn't it.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Fireball on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:56pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:41pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:37pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 10:16am:
According to Gandalf, all Islamophobia is based on racism, and racism also needs to be redefined because it is abased on Islamophobia.


He's missing you, G.



Do prawns feel pain?


Why, have you got a headache?


Oh. Well done! Scintillating repartee! Your best work, no?


Why are you answering your own questions idiot?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by BigOl64 on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:13pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.


The footy show is tremendously unpopular, isn't it.



What the fkk reply is that?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:17pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.


The footy show is tremendously unpopular, isn't it.



What the fkk reply is that?


Does Australia like loud mouthed fkkheads or not?

Not tinted, feminist, Muslim ones it seems.

Australia, meanwhile, seems quite happy with other sorts of loud mouthed fkkheads.

Did you really need this explained to you, BigOl?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by BigOl64 on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:20pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:17pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:31pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 3:13pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.



Her biggest problem is that Australians really don't like loud-mouthed fkkheads.


Now she is a whiny little sh1t blaming everyone but herself.


She made her choice, now she lives with the consequences, no-one gives a fkk about her problems.


The footy show is tremendously unpopular, isn't it.



What the fkk reply is that?


Does Australia like loud mouthed fkkheads or not?

Not tinted, feminist, Muslim ones it seems.

Australia, meanwhile, seems quite happy with other sorts of loud mouthed fkkheads.

Did you really need this explained to you, BigOl?



I don't watch the friggen footy show, so yes, you fkken do.



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?



Personally? Or will testimonials through the media do?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Aussie on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:42pm
What, Effendi, is your definition of 'genuine feminist?'  Is it impossible to be a feminist even in the most rigid of, for example, extreme right wing Christian fundamentalist, societies?

Seems to me you are likely imposing your definition across a broad spectrum in a one size fits all fashion.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:42pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:41pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?



Personally? Or will testimonials through the media do?


It's funny to see how easily feminists can be hoodwinked into defending the religion of rape and pillage.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:44pm
Is it? Am i? Are we?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:37pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


I don't think FD can agree with you there, Mother.

A few questions should sort this out.

FD?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:19pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
It's funny to see how easily feminists can be hoodwinked into defending the religion of rape and pillage.


... wife-beatings and public segregation as second class citizens.

It's a phenomenon of our times: Counter-intuitive political correctness openly supported by the very people who are otherwise the loudest protesters against misogyny and gender discrimination.



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Black Orchid on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:31pm

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.



You see Alevine? This is the calibre of poster you're identifying with.

Does it give you reason to reflect?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Secret Wars on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:33pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.



You see Alevine? This is the calibre of poster you're identifying with.

Does it give you reason to reflect?


Mothra wants a high five.  Go tag team.  :)

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:35pm

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.



You see Alevine? This is the calibre of poster you're identifying with.

Does it give you reason to reflect?


Mothra wants a high five.  Go tag team.  :)


I thought my gang was all banned.

I have a new gang now?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:37pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:35pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:31pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.



You see Alevine? This is the calibre of poster you're identifying with.

Does it give you reason to reflect?


Mothra wants a high five.  Go tag team.  :)


I thought my gang was all banned.

I have a new gang now?


We're all friends here, Mother. Soon we'll be allowed to marry, hopefully.

First dibs on the old boy.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:40pm

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.


Exactly my thoughts.

As a 'boutique' Muslim girl with an extrovert personality and a gift for the slightly outrageous and zany, she would have grown up in Australia as a popular and protected figure among all those who knew her, but then she stepped away from this admiring support group into the harsh glare of being an upstart media celebrity where the gloves are off and strangers judge you according to what you say.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.


Exactly my thoughts.

As a 'boutique' Muslim girl with an extrovert personality and a gift for the slightly outrageous and zany, she would have grown up in Australia as a popular and protected figure among all those who knew her, but then she stepped away from this admiring support group into the harsh glare of being an upstart media celebrity where the gloves are off and strangers judge you according to what you say.


Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:54pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.


Exactly my thoughts.

As a 'boutique' Muslim girl with an extrovert personality and a gift for the slightly outrageous and zany, she would have grown up in Australia as a popular and protected figure among all those who knew her, but then she stepped away from this admiring support group into the harsh glare of being an upstart media celebrity where the gloves are off and strangers judge you according to what you say.


Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?



I don't know. i personally think the fact that she is a tinted, Muslim feminist is enough to wish her tremendous ill.

And seriously, she's not just going away, is she?

But then you have the whole disrespecting diggers thing.

Now how do we deal with uppity women?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:56pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:40pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
She was given incredible opportunities here because of her tint and her headgear (not despite it) and she blew it.  So how can we be racist?

Now she is trying to shock the press into publishing anything she blurts out in the hope it will bring more to her table.  She should be starved.


Exactly my thoughts.

As a 'boutique' Muslim girl with an extrovert personality and a gift for the slightly outrageous and zany, she would have grown up in Australia as a popular and protected figure among all those who knew her, but then she stepped away from this admiring support group into the harsh glare of being an upstart media celebrity where the gloves are off and strangers judge you according to what you say.


Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?



I don't know. i personally think the fact that she is a tinted, Muslim feminist is enough to wish her tremendous ill.

And seriously, she's not just going away, is she?

But then you have the whole disrespecting diggers thing.

Now how do we deal with uppity women?


Rape them. Kill them. Ban them.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm
Indeed. We'd cesterate them if only we could.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


Why? Because he's taking your very argument to it's natural conclusion?

Are you embarrassed or something?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:05pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


I know. The ANZAC spirit should not apply to the tinted races, we all know that.

Many of those calls to rape, kill and ban her came from members here. Fair's fair, Herbie. If this tinted woman wants to be so ungrateful to the people who took her in, she should expect everything she gets.

Freeeeedom, innit.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:27pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?


Mothra? Are you running away from this also? Are you only fully supportive of people to represent their beliefs if you agree with them?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:04pm
How about Adolph Hiter, Mothra? Do you support his right to establish liebensraum to be able to express his views?

You answer FD. When you've answered that, he can ask you another one.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:26pm

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


Why? Because he's taking your very argument to it's natural conclusion?

Are you embarrassed or something?



When Karnal has nothing further of any substance to say in any of these threads, and yet does not want to be ignored, he then resorts to ascribing to others the most outlandish exaggerations accompanied by schoolyard one-liners in a pathetic and woeful attempt to stay relevant.



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


Why? Because he's taking your very argument to it's natural conclusion?

Are you embarrassed or something?



When Karnal has nothing further of any substance to say in any of these threads, and yet does not want to be ignored, he then resorts to ascribing to others the most outlandish exaggerations accompanied by schoolyard one-liners in a pathetic and woeful attempt to stay relevant.


Herbie, if you don't want to ban the tinted races and their spineless apologists anymore, you just have to say.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:46pm
Mothra ... can you identify the stereotype here that has become a staple in Western societies with large numbers of immigrants?


link

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:53pm
When Herbie has nothing further of any substance to say...

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Mr Hammer on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:06pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


Why? Because he's taking your very argument to it's natural conclusion?

Are you embarrassed or something?



When Karnal has nothing further of any substance to say in any of these threads, and yet does not want to be ignored, he then resorts to ascribing to others the most outlandish exaggerations accompanied by schoolyard one-liners in a pathetic and woeful attempt to stay relevant.


Herbie, if you don't want to ban the tinted races and their spineless apologists anymore, you just have to say.


I just want to ban the tinted races and their spineless apologists.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:09pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:59pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 6:46pm:
Exactly. Manus Nauru Palestine. Lest we forget.

How very dare she.

Why shouldn't she be raped or killed when she says stuff like that?


You're edging very close to becoming yet another thread-vandalising casualty.


Why? Because he's taking your very argument to it's natural conclusion?

Are you embarrassed or something?



When Karnal has nothing further of any substance to say in any of these threads, and yet does not want to be ignored, he then resorts to ascribing to others the most outlandish exaggerations accompanied by schoolyard one-liners in a pathetic and woeful attempt to stay relevant.


Herbie, if you don't want to ban the tinted races and their spineless apologists anymore, you just have to say.


I just want to ban the tinted races and their spineless apologists.


And you're perfectly entitled to say so, Homo.

Feel free to post in Herbie's threads anytime.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Mr Hammer on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:12pm
I thought you were opposed to Demokracy and Freeedom of Speech?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 9:12pm:
I thought you were opposed to Demokracy and Freeedom of Speech?


Only when they go against Freeedom, dear.

Do that, it seems, and FD gives you the chop.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?


Oh. Islam is supposed to make sense?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 1st, 2017 at 10:59am

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
It's funny to see how easily feminists can be hoodwinked into defending the religion of rape and pillage.



Taharrush Jamai ...

Enjoy ... link

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Oct 1st, 2017 at 11:04am
http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a7647c3ed833e6271e57c5767ea7f296?width=1024


Miss Whippy.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:44am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?



impossible gandy  sorry..but it wouldnt happen..

females have just been given the go ahead to drive a car in S.Arabia.....2017. ::) ::) ::)

feminists would laugh in your face.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:51am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?

It is to live in a glaring contradiction to claim to be a feminist and to believe the Koran and Mohammed.
You can be a feminist and an apostate muslim, or a lapsed muslim.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:53am

cods wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:44am:
... impossible gandy  sorry..but it wouldnt happen..

... feminists would laugh in your face.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Wrong.

White, middle class feminists are highly protective of Third World gender inequality on the grounds that they are not white people of Judaeo-Christian background.

If you're White ~ it's " 'Goodnight' - there's no dispensation for you, you chauvinist pig".

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 12:24pm

Frank wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:51am:
It is to live in a glaring contradiction to claim to be a feminist and to believe the Koran and Mohammed.
You can be a feminist and an apostate muslim, or a lapsed muslim.


100% correct.


Gandalf converted to Islam in haste and is now repenting at leisure while being battered mercilessly by his detractors.

I want to organise Crowdfunding for him to travel incognito on the over-night Red-Eye Express to Thailand for plastic surgery to alter his appearance before he can then quietly become an apostate and refugee from Islam.

Please Give Generously.

Quote: "There can be no higher purpose than trying to save a life from self-delusion, and thereby give him a chance at being a normal person free of stultifying psychosis". Sigmund Freud


Please dig deep, folks. You too Codsey.






Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lisa Jones on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 1:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
I hope she pisses off for good, what a waste of taxpayers money to fund her junkets saying Islam is a feminist religion


Hear hear !

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Secret Wars on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 2:13pm
Flying horses.  Just as silly as flying pigs and make as much sense.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 11:46am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?



Oh that's so going to fly over heads.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 11:48am

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?


Mothra? Are you running away from this also? Are you only fully supportive of people to represent their beliefs if you agree with them?



Did you not read or not understand my answer to you?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:04pm

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?


Mothra? Are you running away from this also? Are you only fully supportive of people to represent their beliefs if you agree with them?



Did you not read or not understand my answer to you?


He probably didn't understand, Mother.

No speaka da English, innit.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:12pm
Do you think suggesting having a re-read before he copies and pastes it again (or at least before he copies and pastes it into Spineless Apologists) would help?

I think i've tried that before to no avail though.

I'm willing to give it another shot. Ever the optimist, me.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:27pm

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Do you think suggesting having a re-read before he copies and pastes it again (or at least before he copies and pastes it into Spineless Apologists) would help?


Not really, Mother. FD's not interested in what you say. It's what you don't say that's important.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:32pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:27pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Do you think suggesting having a re-read before he copies and pastes it again (or at least before he copies and pastes it into Spineless Apologists) would help?


Not really, Mother. FD's not interested in what you say. It's what you don't say that's important.



Well i must have really confused him by not telling him whether prawns feel pain or not.

No wonder he got so thingy.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:38pm

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:27pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:12pm:
Do you think suggesting having a re-read before he copies and pastes it again (or at least before he copies and pastes it into Spineless Apologists) would help?


Not really, Mother. FD's not interested in what you say. It's what you don't say that's important.



Well i must have really confused him by not telling him whether prawns feel pain or not.

No wonder he got so thingy.


Everybody else told him that. He didn't read them.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:47pm

Frank wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:51am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:53am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 4:34pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:44pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


She flees the country after she received death threats, FD.

Must have been that time of the month, eh?

Women - sorry, tinted women.



I think the word you are looking for is feminist, Karnal.

A tinted, Muslim feminist.

The woman part we could forgive if she didn't stick her head over the bunker or anything.


How many genuine feminists do you know who claim Islam is the most feminist religion?


Tell me FD, if you are a feminist and a muslim, would it make any sense to think that Islam wasn't the most feminist religion?

"Oh yeah, I'm totally a feminist - its just a shame my own personal religious beliefs don't reconcile with my feminist beliefs".

Does that make sense to you?

It is to live in a glaring contradiction to claim to be a feminist and to believe the Koran and Mohammed.
You can be a feminist and an apostate muslim, or a lapsed muslim.


Oh I don't know Frank - glaring contradictions in people's beliefs are pretty common actually. Just take your laughable opinion recorded in my signature.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 8:18pm

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Well i must have really confused him by not telling him whether prawns feel pain or not.



Prawns feel pain, Mothra.

That's why I refuse to eat them unless they've been boiled to death.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?


Is this going to be your standard response to everything now Gandalf? If you haven't read the entire Koran your opinion does not count?

How many chapters in the Koran have more verses than chapter 9?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:35pm

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?


Mothra? Are you running away from this also? Are you only fully supportive of people to represent their beliefs if you agree with them?



Did you not read or not understand my answer to you?


I don't believe you answered Mothra. Feel free to direct me to it if you did. Or, you can just do your run and hide trick again.

Do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 8:18pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Well i must have really confused him by not telling him whether prawns feel pain or not.



Prawns feel pain, Mothra.

That's why I refuse to eat them unless they've been boiled to death.




in sea water of course..  that stops the pain I believe...

I was told that by an old sea salt  and I believe everything I am told.. :)

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:59pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?


Is this going to be your standard response to everything now Gandalf? If you haven't read the entire Koran your opinion does not count?


My standard response to someone idiotically claiming they know a book they haven't read is that it counts for nothing. Would you actually disagree with such a response?

Do you think someone who has actually read the Quran and claims it is predominantly about personal sprituality has a bit more credibility than someone who hasn't read it and claims its all about power and dominance and head hacking?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Baronvonrort on Oct 4th, 2017 at 3:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?


Is this going to be your standard response to everything now Gandalf? If you haven't read the entire Koran your opinion does not count?


My standard response to someone idiotically claiming they know a book they haven't read is that it counts for nothing. Would you actually disagree with such a response?

Do you think someone who has actually read the Quran and claims it is predominantly about personal sprituality has a bit more credibility than someone who hasn't read it and claims its all about power and dominance and head hacking?


When a Florida pastor threatened to burn that Book the Indonesian president said that could threaten world peace.

What does this verse mean?

Quote:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
https://quran.com/9/29

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 4th, 2017 at 5:15pm

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
in sea water of course..  that stops the pain I believe...

I was told that by an old sea salt  and I believe everything I am told.. :)


I eat King Prawns by the bowl-full when they're in season, but it's a dodgy business finding the ones that haven't been grown in the Mekong river and other South East Asian sewers.



Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by cods on Oct 4th, 2017 at 5:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 5:15pm:

cods wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:34pm:
in sea water of course..  that stops the pain I believe...

I was told that by an old sea salt  and I believe everything I am told.. :)


I eat King Prawns by the bowl-full when they're in season, but it's a dodgy business finding the ones that haven't been grown in the Mekong river and other South East Asian sewers.



when I first came here and saw my first aussie prawn I fell in love  it was in Wollongong  where the local would cook them in sea water...they were delish   they dont cook them like that anymore....always wash them in salt water...ho hum back to the koran and who read s it and who doesn t...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Lord Herbert on Oct 4th, 2017 at 5:34pm
The size of some of the King Prawns and Tiger Prawns I eat are so large they have to club them like baby seals when they're netted and pulled on deck ...   :P


I'm also crazy about those little dried salted prawns the Chinese shops sell in small bags at ridiculous prices.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 4th, 2017 at 7:17pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?


Is this going to be your standard response to everything now Gandalf? If you haven't read the entire Koran your opinion does not count?

How many chapters in the Koran have more verses than chapter 9?


Come kleen,  FD. You didn't read chapter 9 either.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mothra on Oct 4th, 2017 at 7:26pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 11:48am:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 7:27pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:43pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
You might as well be begging Muslim women to lie to you.


mothra wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 3:01am:
I, as a feminist, fully support all women in their representation of their beliefs


Of course, this doesn't apply to women who disagree with you, does it Mothra?


It most certainly does. I am fully supportive of all people to represent their beliefs, be they legal and that they hurt no-one.

My own mother is a classic example. I disagree with her on a number of things. My father also disagrees with her on certain issues. My father has a tendancy to speak over my mother., as though her opinion is somehow less valid.

Despite not agreeing with her on many things, i am active in both encouraging and defending her right to speak freely.

You do know that not all feminists agree about everything, yes? We're not a homogeneous blob.

Like Muslims or prawns.


Like whether Islam is the most feminist religion? Like whether you should let Muslims hijack feminist and anti-racist causes to promote the most backwards set of beliefs you can find?

Mothra do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?


Mothra? Are you running away from this also? Are you only fully supportive of people to represent their beliefs if you agree with them?



Did you not read or not understand my answer to you?


I don't believe you answered Mothra. Feel free to direct me to it if you did. Or, you can just do your run and hide trick again.

Do you also support people like Blair Cottrel and Gerald Fredrick Toben in their representation of their beliefs?



He's taking the piss, right?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:12pm
Yasmin stays in England, Mothballs stays on Political Animal...perfect.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:12pm:
Yasmin stays in England, Mothballs stays on Political Animal...perfect.


And we're all here together.

We're safe, no?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm
Well, not AS safe.
;)

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Well, not AS safe.
;)


One's ASS is never fully safe, dear.

Would we have it any other way?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Mr Hammer on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:30pm
Your goat's ass isn't safe.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
Your goat's ass isn't safe.


Ooh!

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 8:40am

Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Well, not AS safe.
;)


One's ASS is never fully safe, dear.

Would we have it any other way?


;D ;D stop it!

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:44am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Well, not AS safe.
;)


One's ASS is never fully safe, dear.

Would we have it any other way?


;D ;D stop it!



Didn't realise you were partial with to a little ass-play, gandalf. Is that halal?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:50am

Frank wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Well, not AS safe.
;)


One's ASS is never fully safe, dear.

Would we have it any other way?


;D ;D stop it!



Didn't realise you were partial with to a little ass-play, gandalf. Is that halal?


As long as it comes with a halal certificate that was obtained by rorting the infidel taxpayer

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:55am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:50am:

Frank wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 9:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 8:40am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Well, not AS safe.
;)


One's ASS is never fully safe, dear.

Would we have it any other way?


;D ;D stop it!



Didn't realise you were partial with to a little ass-play, gandalf. Is that halal?


As long as it comes with a halal certificate that was obtained by rorting the infidel taxpayer


He's finally confessed, FD. We knew it.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Oct 6th, 2017 at 10:08am
Mr & Ms Whippy
Ms_Whippy.jpg (75 KB | 35 )

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 10:19am
that is actually pretty funny

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:56am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2017 at 12:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2017 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 8:58am:
Thats nothing to do with what I asked FD. Have another go.


You recently described Islam as a deeply spiritual thing as a way of avoiding all the stuff that does not make sense. Now you are insisting we take Islamic feminism seriously just because it would not 'make sense' for a Muslim feminist to think of Islam as anti-feminist.

Why is it relevant whether Muslims make sense?


You recently conceded you have only read one chapter of the Quran in its entirety - and this was one of the smaller ones. There are in total 114 chapters.

Is it this 99% of the Quran that you are referring to as "the stuff that does not make sense" FD? Don't worry, I too can't make sense of stuff I can't be bothered to read either.

FD is it fair to say that not having read around 99% of the Quran, you are in a pretty laughable position to scoff at my claim about what most of the Quran is about?

And do you reckon Yasmin has read more of the Quran than you have?


Is this going to be your standard response to everything now Gandalf? If you haven't read the entire Koran your opinion does not count?


My standard response to someone idiotically claiming they know a book they haven't read is that it counts for nothing. Would you actually disagree with such a response?

Do you think someone who has actually read the Quran and claims it is predominantly about personal sprituality has a bit more credibility than someone who hasn't read it and claims its all about power and dominance and head hacking?


I notice you edited this out of your quote Gandalf.

How many chapters in the Koran have more verses than chapter 9?

Were you lying about the Koran again?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 3:15pm

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 11:56am:
How many chapters in the Koran have more verses than chapter 9?

Were you lying about the Koran again?


My my we are petty today.

The answer is I don't know, and I don't care. But here you go, knock yourself out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surahs_in_the_Quran

Here's some more relevant stats for you:

there are 129 verses in chapter 9. There are in total 6236 verses in the Quran. If we just use number of verses as a measurement of length (not necessarily accurate but anyway), I make that about 2% of the Quran.

Do you agree that someone who has read little more than 2% of the Quran (I'm being generous), has about zero credibility when they lecture others about what the Quran is really about?


Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2017 at 5:47pm
Did someone tell you it was one of the smaller chapters, or did you just make it up?

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by moses on Oct 6th, 2017 at 5:58pm
2% of the qur'an?

The fangs of the king cobra are probably only about .00001% of its' total length, yet that's the bit that kills you.

   

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 6:04pm
Its down the list FD, and it amounts to about 2% of the whole Quran. Do you think your credibility is somewhat diminished after lecturing me what the Quran is about - without knowing about 98% of the Quran? 

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2017 at 6:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Its down the list FD, and it amounts to about 2% of the whole Quran. Do you think your credibility is somewhat diminished after lecturing me what the Quran is about - without knowing about 98% of the Quran? 


Your story keeps changing Gandalf. How far down the list is it? Did someone tell you it was one of the smaller chapters, or did you just make it up?

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Post by gandalf on Oct 6th, 2017 at 6:32pm
Oh such classic FD.

Deflection overdrive.

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Post by freediver on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:19pm
Were you lying about the Koran Gandalf? I can start a new thread if you think I am just trying to change the topic in this one.

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Post by Karnal on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:39pm

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
Were you lying about the Koran Gandalf? I can start a new thread if you think I am just trying to change the topic in this one.


That could work.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 7th, 2017 at 7:54am

freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
Were you lying about the Koran Gandalf?


no. Not like you when you declared there are "entire chapters [plural]" "dedicated" to killing the infidel. That was a real whopper wouldn't you agree? Or how about then one where you said there were multiple "historians [plural]" who asserted that the treaty with the Medinans was "imposed" by Muhammad - when in fact you just copied a citation of a single historian Bernard Lewis from wikipedia. Do you really want to go down that path again FD?

Or you can stick to the actual issue here - which is, again, do you think you have any sort of credibility lecturing me what the Quran is about - without having read about 98% of the Quran? 

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Post by freediver on Oct 7th, 2017 at 8:46am
What made you think Chapter 9 is one of the smaller ones? Is someone feeding you misinformation? Do you still think it is one of the smaller ones?

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Post by moses on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:45pm
2% of the qur'an?


this site tells us in part:

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and
emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.


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Post by freediver on Oct 10th, 2017 at 12:11pm
Gandalf if 2% was the average, that would make 50 chapters in the Koran, and chapter 9 would probably still be one of the larger ones.

How many chapters does the Koran actually have?

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Post by gandalf on Oct 12th, 2017 at 1:16pm
FD sticking to the really important and relevant points here. What we see here is you simply giving up and retreating to your comfort zone (being petty and obnoxious)

Do you now concede it was the height of arrogance to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one chapter amounting to about 2% of the Quran? (google the word counts if you still don't believe me) Would you like to reassert the case for the "non-spiritual" Quran and back it up with your extensive knowledge of the Quran?

Notice how you are now avoiding this point now?

I look forward to further installments in FD's ongoing adventures of deflecting, ducking and weaving

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Post by freediver on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:08pm

Quote:
google the word counts if you still don't believe me


For some reason I can't get the word counts. If you have found them, please provide a link. You can easily get the number of verses per chapter.

What makes you think chapter 9 is one of the smaller ones?

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Post by Karnal on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:14pm

freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Quote:
google the word counts if you still don't believe me


For some reason I can't get the word counts. If you have found them, please provide a link. You can easily get the number of verses per chapter.

What makes you think chapter 9 is one of the smaller ones?


Is it because people only quote half of verse 5?

Perhaps you could elaborate, FD.  We'll do a word count when you're done.

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Post by Gordon on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:17pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:14pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:08pm:

Quote:
google the word counts if you still don't believe me


For some reason I can't get the word counts. If you have found them, please provide a link. You can easily get the number of verses per chapter.

What makes you think chapter 9 is one of the smaller ones?


Is it because people only quote half of verse 5?

Perhaps you could elaborate, FD.  We'll do a word count when you're done.



https://youtu.be/GiX2PbrBXCQ

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Post by gandalf on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:19am
FD do you agree it was absurd of you to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one out of 114 chapters?

Do you reckon Yasmin Abdel-Magied - another muslim you mock for their 'take' on Islam - has read more of the Quran than you?

Don't worry FD, you don't have to answer that. Just ask me more about the longest and shortest chapters in the Quran. Thats whats really important here.

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Post by Karnal on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:25am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:19am:
Don't worry FD, you don't have to answer that. Just ask me more about the longest and shortest chapters in the Quran. Thats whats really important here.


He's just asking, G - sheesh. Sometimes a question is just a question, you know.

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Post by freediver on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:19am:
FD do you agree it was absurd of you to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one out of 114 chapters?

Do you reckon Yasmin Abdel-Magied - another muslim you mock for their 'take' on Islam - has read more of the Quran than you?

Don't worry FD, you don't have to answer that. Just ask me more about the longest and shortest chapters in the Quran. Thats whats really important here.


If there are 114 chapters, how can a chapter taking up 1/50th of the Koran be one of the smaller ones? Please finish your lecture on this one. I have never studied Islamic maths.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:55pm

freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:19am:
FD do you agree it was absurd of you to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one out of 114 chapters?

Do you reckon Yasmin Abdel-Magied - another muslim you mock for their 'take' on Islam - has read more of the Quran than you?

Don't worry FD, you don't have to answer that. Just ask me more about the longest and shortest chapters in the Quran. Thats whats really important here.


If there are 114 chapters, how can a chapter taking up 1/50th of the Koran be one of the smaller ones? Please finish your lecture on this one. I have never studied Islamic maths.


Tell me FD - are you disputing the fact that you are ignorant of all but a tiny fraction of the Quran? Yes or no. If no, do you agree you have zero credibility in lecturing me on what the Quran is really about? Yes or no.

But don't worry, as always you are free to dodge that question again and deflect with something exceedingly stupid and irrelevant.

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Post by freediver on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:55pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 1:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 9:19am:
FD do you agree it was absurd of you to lecture me on what the Quran is really about after reading just one out of 114 chapters?

Do you reckon Yasmin Abdel-Magied - another muslim you mock for their 'take' on Islam - has read more of the Quran than you?

Don't worry FD, you don't have to answer that. Just ask me more about the longest and shortest chapters in the Quran. Thats whats really important here.


If there are 114 chapters, how can a chapter taking up 1/50th of the Koran be one of the smaller ones? Please finish your lecture on this one. I have never studied Islamic maths.


Tell me FD - are you disputing the fact that you are ignorant of all but a tiny fraction of the Quran? Yes or no. If no, do you agree you have zero credibility in lecturing me on what the Quran is really about? Yes or no.

But don't worry, as always you are free to dodge that question again and deflect with something exceedingly stupid and irrelevant.


I am not familiar with all the verses on flying donkeys and wiping your arse with your bare hand Gandalf. I don't think they are either interesting or relevant. If you think they are, feel free to bring them up.

If there are 114 chapters, how can a chapter taking up 1/50th of the Koran be one of the smaller ones? Please finish your lecture on this one. I have never studied Islamic maths, and obviously lack your credibility on the issue.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 15th, 2017 at 6:08pm

freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
I am not familiar with all the verses on flying donkeys and wiping your arse with your bare hand Gandalf. I don't think they are either interesting or relevant. If you think they are, feel free to bring them up.


One of the common mistakes made by Islamophobes is to misattribute ahadith tradition to whats in the Quran. Alas, it probably wouldn't have happened if you had read more than 2% of the Quran.


freediver wrote on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
If there are 114 chapters, how can a chapter taking up 1/50th of the Koran be one of the smaller ones? Please finish your lecture on this one. I have never studied Islamic maths, and obviously lack your credibility on the issue.


Interesting you bring up Islamic studies FD - tell me, have you ever studied anything Islamic? Do you think you would be in this laughably embarrassing mess if you had?

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Post by freediver on Oct 15th, 2017 at 6:13pm
Do you still think Chapter 9 is one of the smaller one Gandalf?

Who told you it was?

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Post by gandalf on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:31am
keep telling yourself its an important point FD.

I would want to be deflecting too if I acted as arrogantly and stupidly as you have - by lecturing to me what the Quran means, and then conceding that you had read hardly any of it.

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Post by Karnal on Oct 16th, 2017 at 8:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:31am:
keep telling yourself its an important point FD.

I would want to be deflecting too if I acted as arrogantly and stupidly as you have - by lecturing to me what the Quran means, and then conceding that you had read hardly any of it.


Yes, but this makes FD objective in his study of the Koran, shurely.

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Post by moses on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm
The majority of the qur'an dwells on killing kafirs, or loving your fellow man?

Well this site tells us in part:

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 16th, 2017 at 3:46pm

moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse.



moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir


Moses you are either being deliberately deceptive, or you have been fooled by haters.

The two statements, when taken together are extremely misleading. Assuming you are right that 64% of the Quran is "devoted" to the Kaffir - it certainly does not follow that all of this, or even most of it concerns "plotting, hating, ensaving, mocking, torturing" etc of the Kaffir - as you imply here. It doesn't. As I have made very clear previously, actual physical earthly temporal actions - whether they be punishments for non-believers, or indeed any other actions related to the non-believers or not - constitute a tiny proportion of the Quran. However much of the Quran is concerned with the 'kaffir' - I can promise you almost all of it is only mentioned as an example of the attributes and behaviours that the pious should avoid. Not to make muslims hateful and to take the law into their own hands. Which of course the Quran makes abundantly clear in several places:

And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." 18:29

So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. You are not over them a controller. 88:22-23

And if they submit [in Islam], they are rightly guided; but if they turn away - then upon you is only the [duty of] notification. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants. 3:20


And then makes clear that judgement on matters of personal belief are for God alone:

However, he who turns away and disbelieves -

Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.

Indeed, to Us is their return.

Then indeed, upon Us is their account.
88:23-26


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Post by Justsayno on Oct 16th, 2017 at 3:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 3:46pm:

moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse.



moses wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir


Moses you are either being deliberately deceptive, or you have been fooled by haters.

The two statements, when taken together are extremely misleading. Assuming you are right that 64% of the Quran is "devoted" to the Kaffir - it certainly does not follow that all of this, or even most of it concerns "plotting, hating, ensaving, mocking, torturing" etc of the Kaffir - as you imply here. It doesn't. As I have made very clear previously, actual physical earthly temporal actions - whether they be punishments for non-believers, or indeed any other actions related to the non-believers or not - constitute a tiny proportion of the Quran. However much of the Quran is concerned with the 'kaffir' - I can promise you almost all of it is only mentioned as an example of the attributes and behaviours that the pious should avoid. Not to make muslims hateful and to take the law into their own hands. Which of course the Quran makes abundantly clear in several places:

And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." 18:29

So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. You are not over them a controller. 88:22-23

And if they submit [in Islam], they are rightly guided; but if they turn away - then upon you is only the [duty of] notification. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants. 3:20


And then makes clear that judgement on matters of personal belief are for God alone:

However, he who turns away and disbelieves -

Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.

Indeed, to Us is their return.

Then indeed, upon Us is their account.
88:23-26


Just curious Gandalf, but which Quran do you follow? 

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Post by moses on Oct 16th, 2017 at 5:05pm
gandalf wrote:


Quote:
And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." 18:29

So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. You are not over them a controller. 88:22-23


For goodness sake gandi what are you on about?


88.10 - 20: In a lofty Paradise. Where they shall neither hear harmful speech nor falsehood, Therein will be a running spring, Therein will be thrones raised high,And cups set at hand. And cushions set in rows,  And rich carpets (all) spread out. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created? And at the heaven, how it is raised? And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm? And at the earth, how it is spread out?

Clearly talking about muslims who have gone to paradise, not about the kafir.

Then

88.21 - 22: So remind them (O Muhammad ), you are only a one who reminds. You are not a dictator over them.

Unambiguously says muhammad is a reminder to these muslims not a dictator.

However the very next verse get to the point

88.23: Save the one who turns away and disbelieves

Save being the pertinent word gandalf, in this case it means apart from, except, excluding, with the exception of.

So the qur'an is telling muslims they are reminders and not dictators over people except disbelievers.

18.29. And say: "The truth is from your Lord." Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve. Verily, We have prepared for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), a Fire whose walls will be surrounding them (disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah). And if they ask for help (relief, water, etc.) they will be granted water like boiling oil, that will scald their faces. Terrible the drink, and an evil Murtafaqa (dwelling, resting place, etc.)!

Now there is  nothing but hatred for the disbeliever in either of your examples in fact:

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly. would be the rule of thumb for muslims in this case, your examples are all about hating the unbeliever nothing more nothing less.

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Post by freediver on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 6:31am:
keep telling yourself its an important point FD.

I would want to be deflecting too if I acted as arrogantly and stupidly as you have - by lecturing to me what the Quran means, and then conceding that you had read hardly any of it.


I have lectured you on what chapter 9 means, based on what chapter 9 says. If you think there is something else among the flying donkeys and arse wiping that is relevant, it is up to you to provide it.

Why did you tell me to google the word counts? Do you know what the word counts are? Is that what you base your claim on that chapter 9 is one of the smaller ones?

Or is your argument that your lies about the Koran are not an important point because you are such a credible expert?

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Post by gandalf on Oct 17th, 2017 at 8:35am

freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Why did you tell me to google the word counts? Do you know what the word counts are?


You seemed to dispute the fact that chapter 9 constitutes about 2% of the Quran. So I suggested you google the word counts (of chapter 9 and the whole Quran) to check for yourself. I gather you haven't done that yet.

Oh and congratulations on shifting the goal posts and pretending you were only lecturing me on what chapter 9 means, and not the entire Quran.


freediver wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Or is your argument that your lies about the Koran are not an important point because you are such a credible expert?


My argument is that the Quran is overwhelmingly a spiritual conversation between the individual and God - and precious little is devoted to temporal matters vis how politics (including war) and society should be run. Or in other words, I was disputing your BS claims about the Quran being overwhelmingly about killing the infidel and beheadings and what not. your spectacular tapdancing act and goal-shifting suggests that you don't want to argue with me on this and you concede the point - is this accurate FD? Well how could you really - after your revelation that you've only read one chapter amounting to about 2% of the entire Quran.

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Post by freediver on Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:31pm

Quote:
You seemed to dispute the fact that chapter 9 constitutes about 2% of the Quran.


I disputed your claim that it was one of the smaller chapters. This ought to be bleeding obvious by now, given your complaints about me bringing it up constantly.

Do you still think chapter 9 is one of the smaller chapters?


Quote:
So I suggested you google the word counts (of chapter 9 and the whole Quran) to check for yourself. I gather you haven't done that yet.


As I also explained, I googled it, but couldn't find the word counts.


Quote:
Oh and congratulations on shifting the goal posts and pretending you were only lecturing me on what chapter 9 means, and not the entire Quran.


Are we only allowed to wave our arms in the air vaguely while attacking the other's credibility and claiming to know the meaning of the entire Koran? Is this your latest attempt to avoid discussing anything it actually says? Or is the Koran so simplistic that you can convey the meaning of the entire thing in one post?


Quote:
My argument is that the Quran is overwhelmingly a spiritual conversation between the individual and God - and precious little is devoted to temporal matters vis how politics (including war) and society should be ru


So what? Muhammad could have added ten encyclopedias worth of highly spiritual magic donkey rides to the end of the Koran. It would not change the fact that chapter 9 is entirely devoted to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel. It would detract nothing from it. This is just your last desperate attempt to diminish the significance of this chapter of the Koran.

Are Muslims supposed to ignore 2% of the Koran, as well as all the other chapters about slaughtering the infidel? Can they be deleted from the Koran? Can their meaning be changed?


Quote:
Or in other words, I was disputing your BS claims about the Quran being overwhelmingly about killing the infidel


In other words, your hysterical strawman.


Quote:
your spectacular tapdancing act and goal-shifting suggests that you don't want to argue with me on this


Sure. Let's start with quoting what I actually said. Or would you prefer to focus on your lies about what I said? Or your lies about the Koran? Are Muslims supposed to lie about the Koran Gandalf? If caught out in an unintentional lie, are they supposed to furiously change the topic in the hope that no-one notices?

Do you still think chapter 9 is one of the smaller chapters?

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Post by Karnal on Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:39pm

freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
I disputed your claim that it was one of the smaller chapters. This ought to be bleeding obvious by now, given your complaints about me bringing it up constantly.

...

As I also explained, I googled it, but couldn't find the word counts.


Ah.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
Or in other words, I was disputing your BS claims about the Quran being overwhelmingly about killing the infidel


In other words, your hysterical strawman.


This is the waffly response you gave when I directly challenged you to estimate how much of the Quran is dedicated to violence:


freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:58pm:
The only whole chapter I have read is chapter 9, which is entirely devoted to the promotion of violence. There are lengthy passages in other chapters also devoted to the promotion of violence, but I didn't bother reading to the end.


translation: everything I've read in the Quran is dedicated to violence, and it is reasonable to assume everything else is dominated by violence. Is that not a reasonable interpretation of what you said FD? Are you willing to set the record straight and declare here and now that no, you did not mean to imply that the majority of the Quran is dedicated to violence?

You also gave this response to my assertion about the "insignificant" amount of earthly rulings and judgments in the Quran:


Quote:

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 11:42am:
[quote]Why do I self-identify as a muslim rather than any other religion? Where to begin? Not because of the insignificant earthly rulings and judgments the historical ruler Muhammad made according to the society he found himself ruling - I can assure you.


Yet the Koran is full of this Gandalf.
[/quote]

Asked you twice after that to clarify what you mean by "full of this" - as in how much is "full". Because to a reasonable person this sounds like "most" - wouldn't you agree?

Or would you like to clarify for us all now that by "full of this" you don't actually mean its a majority of it? Why didn't you want to answer me when I asked you before? Also do you agree its a pretty stupid thing to say on the basis of reading just one of the 114 chapters? How exactly do you conclude a book is "full" of something on the basis of having read just 2% of it?



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Post by freediver on Oct 20th, 2017 at 12:19pm

Quote:
This is the waffly response you gave when I directly challenged you to estimate how much of the Quran is dedicated to violence


Yes Gandalf. That is what I actually said. Can you tell the difference between that and your hysterical strawman? Are you upset that I didn't give you the percentages?


Quote:
translation: everything I've read in the Quran is dedicated to violence, and it is reasonable to assume everything else is dominated by violence


Translation: you don't disagree with what I actually said, but you don't like my tone, so you will invent an hysterical strawman that is more consistent with your emotional response to what I posted.

Gandalf have you changed your mind about whether chapter 9 is one of the smaller chapters? Are Muslims supposed to lie about the Koran to non-Muslims in their efforts to downplay its promotion of violence against non-Muslims?

Why did you ignore my response about the significance of the percentage that chapter 9 takes up? What difference do you think it makes whether it takes up 0.2% or 2%? Are you compelled to retreat into this feeble argument because you lost on the actual content of chapter 9?

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Post by gandalf on Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:27pm
FD did you want to expand on what you meant by the Quran being "full of" earthly rulings and judgments? How exactly does one come to such a conclusion after reading one chapter out of 114 in its entirety? Does "full of" mean "well its prominent in the 2% of the book that I've actually read"? Its just that you avoided that one - again.

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Post by moses on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:26pm
All the bunkum about a small amount of the qur'an is dedicated to evil is just crap.

What is important is the theme of the book.

Take the following from 88. Sura Al-Ghaashiyah (The Overwhelming)

10. In a lofty Paradise.
11. Where they shall neither hear harmful speech nor falsehood,
12. Therein will be a running spring,
13. Therein will be thrones raised high,
14. And cups set at hand.
15. And cushions set in rows,
16. And rich carpets (all) spread out.
17. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?
18. And at the heaven, how it is raised?
19. And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?
20. And at the earth, how it is spread out?
21. So remind them (O Muhammad ), you are only a one who reminds.
22. You are not a dictator over them.

Thirteen verses telling muslims they are reminders not dictators over those in paradise.

But the next four verses get to the essence of the whole thing :

23. Save the one who turns away and disbelieves
24. Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.
25. Verily, to Us will be their return;
26. Then verily, for Us will be their reckoning.

23 - 26 Hatred of disbelievers.

So 17 verses only four of them precisely refer to disbelievers, however the overall message is?

muzzies are good, disbelievers are bad.

that's the majority theme of the qur'an: kill the kafir. 

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Post by Karnal on Oct 20th, 2017 at 5:15pm

moses wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 4:26pm:
All the bunkum about a small amount of the qur'an is dedicated to evil is just crap.

What is important is the theme of the book.

Take the following from 88. Sura Al-Ghaashiyah (The Overwhelming)

10. In a lofty Paradise.
11. Where they shall neither hear harmful speech nor falsehood,
12. Therein will be a running spring,
13. Therein will be thrones raised high,
14. And cups set at hand.
15. And cushions set in rows,
16. And rich carpets (all) spread out.
17. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?
18. And at the heaven, how it is raised?
19. And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?
20. And at the earth, how it is spread out?
21. So remind them (O Muhammad ), you are only a one who reminds.
22. You are not a dictator over them.

Thirteen verses telling muslims they are reminders not dictators over those in paradise.

But the next four verses get to the essence of the whole thing :

23. Save the one who turns away and disbelieves
24. Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment.
25. Verily, to Us will be their return;
26. Then verily, for Us will be their reckoning.

23 - 26 Hatred of disbelievers.

So 17 verses only four of them precisely refer to disbelievers, however the overall message is?

muzzies are good, disbelievers are bad.

that's the majority theme of the qur'an: kill the kafir. 


What's that "but" contained in Chapter 9, Moses. Kill the Mushriken, but... ?

And what's the "but" in Genesis and Leviticus? Kill adulterers, fornicators, sorcerers, blasphemers, entire populations... ?

Perhaps FD can say. He read part of a verse in Chapter 9 and had a chat with Abu.

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Post by freediver on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 3:27pm:
FD did you want to expand on what you meant by the Quran being "full of" earthly rulings and judgments? How exactly does one come to such a conclusion after reading one chapter out of 114 in its entirety? Does "full of" mean "well its prominent in the 2% of the book that I've actually read"? Its just that you avoided that one - again.


I have already expanded on it. And you have already quoted what I actually said. Why do you ignore my references to all the other lengthy passages in the Koran encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel?

How much of the Koran would have to be dedicated to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel for it to actually mean what it says?

Have you changed your mind about whether chapter 9 is one of the smaller chapters? Are Muslims supposed to lie about the Koran to non-Muslims in their efforts to downplay its promotion of violence against non-Muslims?

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Post by Karnal on Oct 20th, 2017 at 9:10pm
FD? You're ignoring my references, dear. It's polite to answer, you know.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 21st, 2017 at 7:35am

freediver wrote on Oct 20th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
I have already expanded on it. And you have already quoted what I actually said.


So your final answer is - 'full of' means "its prominent in the ~2% of the book that I've actually read"?

Would you agree thats pretty hilarious? - saying that an entire book is "full of" something you saw in 1 and a bit chapters of a 114 chapter book?

Feel free to deflect again with your little "definition of small" jihad. I know thats so terribly important to you. Do keep your little deflection questions on the clipboard.

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Post by freediver on Oct 21st, 2017 at 8:47am
No Gandalf, that is your strawman. I made myself perfectly clear, and you have already demonstrated you are at least capable of copying and pasting it. You even appeared to understand it.

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Post by Karnal on Oct 21st, 2017 at 9:45am

freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 8:47am:
No Gandalf, that is your strawman. I made myself perfectly clear, and you have already demonstrated you are at least capable of copying and pasting it. You even appeared to understand it.


Soeaka da English, eh?

We knew it.

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Post by gandalf on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 7:20am

freediver wrote on Oct 21st, 2017 at 8:47am:
No Gandalf, that is your strawman. I made myself perfectly clear, and you have already demonstrated you are at least capable of copying and pasting it. You even appeared to understand it.


Exactly where were you "perfectly clear" on what you meant by "full of" FD?

This is not a strawman:

1. you have read 1 full chapter of a 114 chapter book
2. you claim that the Quran is "full of" earthly rulings and judgments.

What do you mean by "full of" FD? Do you agree its pretty absurd saying a book is "full of" something when you know just 1 whole chapter of a 114 book?

Do you think your habit of constantly making such absurdly broad generalisations like this based on grossly insufficient knowledge can be a problem with regards your anti-Islam jihad?

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Post by freediver on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 8:28am
What is wrong with the passage you quoted above? That's a pretty god explanation of what I meant, don't you think?

How much of the Koran would have to be dedicated to encouraging Muslims to slaughter the infidel for it to actually mean what it says?

Have you changed your mind about whether chapter 9 is one of the smaller chapters? Are Muslims supposed to lie about the Koran to non-Muslims in their efforts to downplay its promotion of violence against non-Muslims?

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Post by cods on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 9:20am
god fd why dont you and gandalf  have a board just for discussion on the Koran...

this is such a boring topic...you guys take over every thread with the same questions for each other..

go away... you are both boring..

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Post by BigOl64 on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 9:24am

cods wrote on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 9:20am:
god fd why dont you and gandalf  have a board just for discussion on the Koran...

this is such a boring topic...you guys take over every thread with the same questions for each other..

go away... you are both boring..



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Ban them from everywhere but there  :) :) :)

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Post by freediver on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 11:05am
What would you call such a board cods? Islam?

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Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2017 at 6:33pm

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


Just so. Perhaps Yassmin’s next article will be along the lines of ‘My gynaecologist found a ball of cat hair in my vagina – and an Australian put it there.’ (Bwian or Mothra or Kameel?)


“My gynaecologist found…”
Tina Faulk  24 October 2017

Michelle Barrow is an American who studied at Yale in the same years as Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton.  Barrow’s peer group – Rodham, for example, wanted to be scientists, lawyers, public officials, or at least, in the turbulent Vietnam era, change the world for better.

Barrow became a magazine writer and her most recent notable contribution to American journalism was an article titled ‘My gynaecologist found a cat hair ball in my vagina.’

Yes, really. She wrote the article, the finding of the cat hair ball is a slightly more dubious claim, though the respected US magazine, The Atlantic appeared to find it totally credible.

Barrow’s claim to magazine article fame became her ‘let-it-all-hang-out’ writing, strongly tilt to the kind of whining, angry feminism that has become the trademark of some Australian feminists at home or abroad and this is which is where the similarity of Barrow to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, yes, she of the elaborate turbans and adulation from the ABC for statements such as “Islam is the most feminist religion”.

Barrow wrote about feminism and her body. Abdel-Magied, in her article for Teen Vogue writes about – you guessed right- Australian racism, the racism that forced her to leave Australia for foreign shores:

You should understand something about Australia. Although Australia is commonly associated with kangaroos and great beaches, it actually has a deeply racist history … The government was so obsessed with whiteness that up until the 1970s, there was the so-called White Australia Policy, which was a collection of policies banning non-Europeans from migrating to the country. In other words, you had to be white to move to Australia.

No doubts thinking of a time when she may wish to return to the country she has such contempt for, she goes on:

There is no doubt that Australia has come a really long way since then. I am truly grateful for all the opportunities I was provided as an Australian immigrant, and for the love and support of many Australians. But this isn’t about individual Australians. History matters, because it informs the attitudes of the present society. As people of color have systematically been treated as second-class citizens, they are considered “conditionally Australian.” The moment they step out of line, the country explodes with outrage.

Yassmin outraged Australians of every community; including her own, through her arrogant flouting of the norms of civil society, her Anzac Day tweet, the announcement that Islam was the most feminist of religions and so on.  This, from a woman who had done well, gone further because of her background, than most young women of her age and attainments. There are sayings about ingratitude. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Don’t spit in the soup:

I had to move houses, change my phone number, shut off my social media. When I later announced that I was moving to London, a national TV station ran a poll on whether I should leave or “stay and face her critics’ Thousands of words were written about me in hundreds of articles. Petitions were set up going after my job… I was being made an example of.  All that mattered was that I was a young Muslim woman of colour who had stepped out of line…

This was more than aggrieved anger; this was deeply hurt pride and arrogance on Abdel-Magied’s part. I’ll teach you to decry me, is her vengeance on Australia. Nowhere does she seem to comprehend that she owes something, loyalty, perhaps, to the country that took her in and gave her so much.

Doubtless in the future Yassmin Abdel-Magied will look for new avenues to express her outrage and anger with Australian and Australians.  Like Michelle Barrow, she will probably look for even more ways to convince a magazine readership (one not distinguished by intellectual discernment) that she was the victim of a campaign of vicious Australian racism.

Perhaps Yassmin’s next article will be along the lines of ‘My gynaecologist found a ball of cat hair in my vagina – and an Australian put it there.’

Bwiaaaan!!!!!  :D :D :D

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2017 at 7:23pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 6:33pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 30th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
I think she was widely panned because of the stupid things she did and said, and her hysterical over-reaction to criticism - eg fleeing the country and insisting all her critics are racist in order to avoid addressing the real  issues they raised. She is a self-entitled drama queen.


Just so. Perhaps Yassmin’s next article will be along the lines of ‘My gynaecologist found a ball of cat hair in my vagina – and an Australian put it there.’ (Bwian or Mothra or Kameel?)


“My gynaecologist found…”
Tina Faulk  24 October 2017

Michelle Barrow is an American who studied at Yale in the same years as Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton.  Barrow’s peer group – Rodham, for example, wanted to be scientists, lawyers, public officials, or at least, in the turbulent Vietnam era, change the world for better.

Barrow became a magazine writer and her most recent notable contribution to American journalism was an article titled ‘My gynaecologist found a cat hair ball in my vagina.’

Yes, really. She wrote the article, the finding of the cat hair ball is a slightly more dubious claim, though the respected US magazine, The Atlantic appeared to find it totally credible.

Barrow’s claim to magazine article fame became her ‘let-it-all-hang-out’ writing, strongly tilt to the kind of whining, angry feminism that has become the trademark of some Australian feminists at home or abroad and this is which is where the similarity of Barrow to Yassmin Abdel-Magied, yes, she of the elaborate turbans and adulation from the ABC for statements such as “Islam is the most feminist religion”.

Barrow wrote about feminism and her body. Abdel-Magied, in her article for Teen Vogue writes about – you guessed right- Australian racism, the racism that forced her to leave Australia for foreign shores:

You should understand something about Australia. Although Australia is commonly associated with kangaroos and great beaches, it actually has a deeply racist history … The government was so obsessed with whiteness that up until the 1970s, there was the so-called White Australia Policy, which was a collection of policies banning non-Europeans from migrating to the country. In other words, you had to be white to move to Australia.

No doubts thinking of a time when she may wish to return to the country she has such contempt for, she goes on:

There is no doubt that Australia has come a really long way since then. I am truly grateful for all the opportunities I was provided as an Australian immigrant, and for the love and support of many Australians. But this isn’t about individual Australians. History matters, because it informs the attitudes of the present society. As people of color have systematically been treated as second-class citizens, they are considered “conditionally Australian.” The moment they step out of line, the country explodes with outrage.

Yassmin outraged Australians of every community; including her own, through her arrogant flouting of the norms of civil society, her Anzac Day tweet, the announcement that Islam was the most feminist of religions and so on.  This, from a woman who had done well, gone further because of her background, than most young women of her age and attainments. There are sayings about ingratitude. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Don’t spit in the soup:

I had to move houses, change my phone number, shut off my social media. When I later announced that I was moving to London, a national TV station ran a poll on whether I should leave or “stay and face her critics’ Thousands of words were written about me in hundreds of articles. Petitions were set up going after my job… I was being made an example of.  All that mattered was that I was a young Muslim woman of colour who had stepped out of line…

This was more than aggrieved anger; this was deeply hurt pride and arrogance on Abdel-Magied’s part. I’ll teach you to decry me, is her vengeance on Australia. Nowhere does she seem to comprehend that she owes something, loyalty, perhaps, to the country that took her in and gave her so much.

Doubtless in the future Yassmin Abdel-Magied will look for new avenues to express her outrage and anger with Australian and Australians.  Like Michelle Barrow, she will probably look for even more ways to convince a magazine readership (one not distinguished by intellectual discernment) that she was the victim of a campaign of vicious Australian racism.

Perhaps Yassmin’s next article will be along the lines of ‘My gynaecologist found a ball of cat hair in my vagina – and an Australian put it there.’

Bwiaaaan!!!!!  :D :D :D


Quite so.

And remember,  dear boy, next time you feel like disagreeing with someone, call them a dirty Paki.

This will confirm Yassmin's diabolical observations about tintedness, no?

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Post by Frank on Oct 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Quite so.

And remember,  dear boy, next time you feel like disagreeing with someone, call them a dirty Paki.

This will confirm Yassmin's diabolical observations about tintedness, no?

Did Bwian put a ball of cat hair up yer Paki bum, Kameel?   You seem to be struggling.

Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)

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Post by Karnal on Oct 24th, 2017 at 10:13pm

Frank wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 8:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 24th, 2017 at 7:23pm:
Quite so.

And remember,  dear boy, next time you feel like disagreeing with someone, call them a dirty Paki.

This will confirm Yassmin's diabolical observations about tintedness, no?

Did Bwian put a ball of cat hair up yer Paki bum, Kameel?   You seem to be struggling.

Tsk, tsk  ::) ::)


You like Danish, ja?

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Post by Grendel on Nov 3rd, 2017 at 3:28pm
She was back at it yesterday in the US....  clueless bint.

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by Frank on Nov 3rd, 2017 at 5:34pm

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by PZ547 on Nov 3rd, 2017 at 5:38pm
She's most likely izrayli, like that woman who's chasing Prince Harry

Title: Re: She's claiming 'racism' now ...
Post by mozzaok on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 9:00am
I missed this minor controversy when it happened, and as someone who loathes both Jones and Hanson, I would have been prepared to assume they were just being arseholes, as it is their go to position, but on reading the article linked to by the OP I must join in the chorus of criticism of this Islamist propagandist.

To whine that criticism of her pro Islamist spruiking is based upon the colour of her skin is plainly the self pitying lie that she latches onto to build up her self image as a soldier in the great jihad for the universal caliphate.
The fact that she chooses to promote the lie that Islam is a feminist ideology is so laughably untrue as to beggar belief, and is a sure sign of the most absolutely deluded people who proclaim that choosing a tent as a dress code is a womans personal choice, and their choice ALONE. Shame on these apologists who negate the rape murder and mutilation of all women abused by this totalitarian dogma, who by dressing up as if they were extras from an old episode of I Dream Of Jeannie, claim they have the freedom to dress as they wish, under Sharia. They do not. That is fact.

The real truth is that these self proclaimed moderates of Islam are bald faced liars, and/or delusional. I remember hearing Waleed Aly proclaim Islam is an "ongoing conversation", in a pathetic attempt to escape from elucidating a Q&A audience on his views on homosexuality, as a muslim man. Chric Hitchens rightfully called him out as a moral coward for failing to either express his understanding of Islams position, or his own personal opinion on the subject.

If this is what we must expect from the BEST and most MODERATE Muslims, than we should not act surprised when the run of the mill loons keep demanding more and more allowances be made by us, for their obscene beliefs.

I say stand against Islam in the name of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, and just plain old freedom. If we do not, if we leave it to the marginal loons like Hanson and Jones supporters, we will be lost, because their moral authority is questionably little or no better, than Islam's itself.
So humanists of all stripes need to lead this defense of our freedom from religious oppression, and not allow it to be wrongly defined as Christian vs Muslim, when it needs to be everyone vs oppression.

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Post by cods on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 11:16am
hello mozzo   wheres you been???....


that is very interesting   it sounds like you are waking up to all the phoney baloney that surround Islam...

it comes down to so called. moderates and extremists..

nothing in between...   we all know and accept their are gay muslims...there has to be...and we all know its a CRIME under ISLAM to be gay..

and I have yet to see or hear of any muslim cleric admitting they have rights of freedom and rights of marriage....do we even know if they even voted in our past postal?... I dont think we do...if 20% didnt vote   ?????  it makes you wonder if they were all Muslim....

rather than get involved lets not say anything at all......

I am waiting to see the hypocrisy in the govt vote.  ::) ::)

lets see who will vote as their constituents would want them to vote. ::) ::) ::)... and as how most Australians would want them to vote.. ::) ::) ::).. and as they claim they always vote...


yeah we believe that dont we?

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Post by mozzaok on Nov 23rd, 2017 at 8:45pm
Hi cods, I've been wasting my time elsewhere, but it is somehow nice to pop in here and see so many people still availing themselves of the opportunity to share their views with other aussies. As for my views on Islam, far from waking up to it, I must declare my views remain pretty much unchanged.
My main gripe with opposing Islam is that the fellow travellers who spruik anti-islamic sentiments are often little short of being racist neo nazi loons, who I have so little in common with that I even question my positions against Islam, because if they think it too, I fear it must be stupid.
I have examined my position and can clearly maintain my position on it's own merits and just hope that the loons do not create an atmosphere of contempt where reasonable people fail to acknowledge the dangers Islam poses to our freedoms and way of life, because they refuse to entertain any view that may ever be parroted by the likes of hanson, jones and co.

Freediver has written some very good arguments defending our personal rights, in regard to freedom of speech etc. without resorting in anyway to bigotry or small mindedness.
In that regard this makes this site a valuable place to hear such opinions. FD is greatly underestimated by way to many members here unfortunately, and while arguing with him can be an exercise in talking at cross purposes, to the point where you wonder if he is being deliberately obtuse for a laugh, the bulk of his assertions are well considered and presented.

So, Hi to you to cods, and I hope you and all my old acquaintances here are travelling well.

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