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Title: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:16am
The capital of ISIS has fallen - TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/17/middleeast/raqqa-isis-what-comes-next/index.html The fall of Raqqa: What comes next for the devastated city -- and for ISIS By Nick Paton Walsh, CNN Updated 1912 GMT (0312 HKT) October 17, 2017 (CNN)US-backed forces in Raqqa said Tuesday that major military operations against ISIS had ended as they worked to clear out the remnants of sleeper cells and mines in the ruins of the Syrian city. American officials have not yet formally announced that the fight is won, but the developments mark a significant moment for the war on ISIS -- and perhaps, in real tangible, conventional military terms, its end. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Marla on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:02am |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:33am
And the actions of Obama over the past 4 years and the efforts of the allied forces had nothing to do with it, right?
booby... your ability to be a gullible tool is legendary. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:02am longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:33am:
dear Longy, doth ye denieth that Trump made an election promise to wipe ISIS off the face of the Earth? Now - only 9 months under his magnificent leadership the capital of ISIS called Raqqa has fallen. Give credit where credit is due. Admit that Trump is a success. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Bojack Horseman on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:14am
ISIS is not really a country, so you can't just capture the capital as it were and just expect them to collapse.
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Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:16am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:02am:
Who are you going to blame for the next terrorist attack, Booby? I'm curious. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Marla on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:17am
Blooby, the clueless dumbass as always. Trump won no war, dipshit. In fact, if the fighting in Iraq spreads, Iran faces the immediate prospect of being dragged into the conflict. Already, substantial numbers of Iranian military personnel, including members of the Revolutionary Guards, have been embedded in the Iraqi military to strengthen it in its operations against ISIS, a fact which was reportedly important in preventing Trump from designating the IRGC as a “terrorist organization” in the first place.
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Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:45am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:02am:
if you were well-informed or even had half a brain, you would know that Trump has actually changed nothing in the 5 year old war on ISIS. The military is actually operating on instructions and ROE from Obama and the rest of the Allies. So if you want to thank anyone, thank Obama. Like with everythign else, Trump has done NOTHING. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:33am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:14am:
ISIS has only 100 fighters left in Raqqa - the rest are hiding in Syria - they are on the run with nowhere to go. They are defeated and Trump can take the credit. The only question now is - what will happen? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:35am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:33am:
... who are you going to blame for the next terrorist attack? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:41am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:35am:
Some mussie as usual. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:44am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:41am:
Ah. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by John Smith on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:45am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:33am:
did you count them? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Karnal on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:52am
There are no winners or losers here, leftards.
The winner is war. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:33am longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:45am:
U nder obama isis was 'free to proceed'. The might of the US army had no effect. Once trump was voted in, putin could get involved effectively. Now isis are vanquished |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by tickleandrose on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:37am
Actually the war is far from over. Everyday, with the retreat of ISIS, it would bring us closer to conflict with Russia. If you read it carefully, its the US backed Syrian opposition forces that took over the city. It is NOT the Syrian national force backed by Russia. The US is laying the foundation for the next phase - to destabilize Syria, and install a Syrian puppet government that is ineffective like the Iraqi and Libya right now.
ISIS is just a small player in the grand scheme of things to come. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:37am John Smith wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:45am:
I think Booby got those numbers from the last official ISIS audit. KPMG did the numbers, so it's all above board. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Karnal on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:39am Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:33am:
Putin has been in Syria for years, Sprint. The US army are not in Syria - they have some advisors in Iraq. The success of recent operations has come down to the Kurds. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sprintcyclist on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:39am tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:37am:
Good post, thanks |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Karnal on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:41am tickleandrose wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:37am:
That would put the US in direct military confrontation with Russia. Do you think this is Trump's plan? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:43am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:37am:
Greggy, it was on the radio - this is big news - rejoice at Trump's great victory. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:49am Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Booby, Elvis was on the radio this morning. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by tickleandrose on Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:07pm Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:41am:
I am not sure if this is particularly Trump's plan. It is however consistent with US long term strategy of contain and squeeze dating back to the days of JFK and cuban missile crisis - and it has bipartisan support in USA. Hillary Clinton proposed a no fly zone over Syria (similar to the one proposed for Libya) that would have bought the west into direct military confrontation. Trump disagreed, and at times even praised Putin, whether or not, there is dirt there, its still under investigation. But after that, the US did the exact opposite. It bombed a Syrian airport (abit, it warned the Russian forces who stationed there beforehand), and now this. This also quietly puts us closer to direct confrontation with Russia. Elsewhere, Trump is trying to take down the Iran Nuclear deal. The ultimate aim is also Russia. Now, the current Iranian government is actually quite a moderate - pro west - in comparison to the previous Ahmadinejad - so it showed that Iranian people WANTS to have closer ties with the West / Europe. However, with Trump's recent action, it would soon turn this tide, and very likely a more hard line government will take its place come the next election. This sets up for theatre two. Theatre three is the all important North Korea. It is just sitting duck for one error to be made by any side, and the rest is history. North Korea of course is about containing China. The same with other minor theatres like Tibet, Taiwan, and IndoChina conflict. All this, we have not even touched Africa.... I just cant fight the feeling that international terrorism is just a sort of smoke screen, to distract us as all of those pieces are moving into place. The timings between them are quiet elegant, and appear to be pre planned rather than reactionary. Terrorism is a problem, but, like I have said time and time again. ISIS even having issues holding onto their own territory, so its actually more of a regional issue. Russia, and China on the other hand, is very different. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 12:10pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaDo9PyCeLQ Rejoice - this great victory. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 11:33am:
even fake news sites dont make-up that kind of garbage. The war has been fought effectively by the allies for 4 years and has now largely eon - thanks to the allies and obama. Trump literally DID NOTHING - as is his typical skill. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:47pm longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
try again loser Longy, Under Obama - ISIS had USA weapons. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
no. they were Martian weapons and phasers. MORON |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 18th, 2017 at 4:21pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:02am:
Longweekend is a feminist and can't admit sin! :o |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:50pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 4:21pm:
Longy hates Trump and can't admit that a success has been made in this case. It shows his continual biased and unfair appraisal of politics. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:21pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:50pm:
I hate morons - which includes you. When you can point to something trump actually did rather than SAID, then you can try and make a case. In the meantime, the success is due to Obama and the allies. Trump has literally done nothing at all. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:07pm longweekend58 wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 7:21pm:
Longy, do I have to spell it out as though you were a school kid? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/trump-isis-raqqa/index.html Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump took credit for the fact that ISIS is in retreat during an interview Tuesday, claiming that ISIS wasn't on the run before because "you didn't have Trump as your president." The comment comes as US-backed forces fighting ISIS in Raqqa said "major military operations" in the city have ended and that the jihadists have lost control of their self-declared capital. American officials have not yet formally announced that the fight is won, but the development marks a significant moment for the war on ISIS. "I totally changed rules of engagement. I totally changed our military, I totally changed the attitudes of the military and they have done a fantastic job," Trump said on "The Chris Plante Show." "ISIS is now giving up, they are giving up, there are raising their hands, they are walking off. Nobody has ever seen that before." When Plante asked why that hadn't happened before, Trump took the bait. "Because you didn't have Trump as your president," he said. "It was a big difference, there was a big, big difference if you look at the military now." "I changed rules of engagement about a month ago and we are fighting now to win as opposed to fighting to stay there. We were losing, now we are winning," Trump said. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:24pm
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21146
Nine months after Trump promised to defeat ISIS "quickly and effectively," the US armed forces and their Kurdish allies took Raqqa, which until Tuesday was the capital of the the Caliphate. After scornfully minimizing ISIS as a "JV team”, Barack Obama realized his egregious misnomer, but then said that "it will take time" and "it is a long-term and complex challenge." Joshua Keating, writing for the left-wing newspaper Slate, noted that Trump had instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules for air strikes to the minimum required by international law by eliminating the White House surveillance procedures to protect civilians and ordering the CIA to resume targeted killing (America has just bombed in Yemen for the first time). Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, a well-known Trump critic, praised this "dramatic change" over Obama's politician's management. The result is quite obvious. In July, ISIS was expelled from Mosul and this week Raqqa was freed. Trump did in nine months what Obama did not accomplish in three years. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:28pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
Get a 13 year old kid to give birth? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:41pm
Greggy, Longy - all you halfwits - listen to the speech
Stand back be silent be still that's it Look upon this moment. Savor it! Rejoice with great gladness! Great gladness! Remember it always, for you are joined by it. You are One, under the stars. Remember it well, then... this night, this great victory. So that in the years ahead, you can say, "I was there that night, with Arthur, the King!" For it is the doom of men that they forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaDo9PyCeLQ |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by issuevoter on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:19pm
Raqqa is in the hands of Baghdad. All that means is they have a pile of rubble to police. Islamic fanaticism is not diminished in the least. With this claim about Trump winning a war, Bobby, you show you have very little grasp of what is happening in the Middle East. It was never about territory, it is about religion. It is still a Muzlim dominated society, which means they have to follow the Koran, which in turn means killing infidels and apostates. Watch it transpire. Have atrocities diminished because Al Q are not as prevalent as they were in 2001? No. Same goes for ISIS.
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Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:33pm issuevoter wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
You sort of have a good point. After all there has been continuous war for over 5,000 years in the Middle East so I suppose it's Trump winning a battle rather than the war to end all wars. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by longweekend58 on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm
It is sad that our own little booby thinks that the proof that Trump beat ISIS himself is nothing more than Trumps own words. This from a man who claims to have invented the phrases 'fake news' and 'priming the pump'.
The man lies pathologically and when not actually lying is just plain wrong. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:23pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:33am:
An attack on the flank perhaps? (ie a truck in a western country etc!!) |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:24pm Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 10:52am:
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;) |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:31pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 5:50pm:
Trumps got balls. He took on the fake media and won :D He might still get handed them but atleast people respect him for taking on global fake news incorporated. That's how he won... risky strategy but he won! Shillery last night was funny... i sort of remember watching it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNKTCDAKn0 ...she murmured something ::) |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:38pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18th, 2017 at 8:28pm:
Reference, thanx :-* |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Sir Bobby on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:43pm longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:18pm:
Longy, you are like the chaff that the wind driveth away. The truth hath been proven unto thee. forgiven namaste |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:44pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
It was a question. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:02pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
Bulldust: it was an insinuation :D Freaks like you are avoided for a reason don't ya know ;) ;) ;) ...of course you do: family avoid you don't they buddy ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:07pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
Look again. "Get a 13 year old kid to give birth?" See that thing on the end: ? You know what that is? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:07pm:
Yeh, a sarcastic form of insinuation :D :D You couldn't sell a tv at harvey norman brother :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:16pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Well, has he ever been accused of raping 13 year old girls? |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by AnotherJourneyByTrain on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
You're the one making the insinusation! That's your homework buddy ;D |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:20pm TheFunPolice wrote on Oct 19th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
I should get an A+ for this: "COMPLAINT FOR RAPE, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, CRIMINAL SEXUAL ACTS, SEXUAL ABUSE, FORCIBLE TOUCHING, ASSAULT, BATTERY, INTENTIONAL AND RECKLESS INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, DURESS, FALSE IMPRISONMENT, AND DEFAMATION" "Defendants Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein" "Plaintiff was subject to acts of rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery, intentional and reckless infliction of emotional distress, duress, false imprisonment, and threats of death and/or serious bodily injury by the Defendants that took place at several parties during the summer months of 1994. "The parties were held by Defendant Epstein at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Epstein at 9 E. 71st St. in Manhattan. During this period, Plaintiff was a minor of age 13 and was legally incapable under New York law of consenting to sexual intercourse and the other sexual contacts detailed herein." Court Documents |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2025 at 8:55am Battle of Stalingrad: "The Germans came in. You really gotta hand it to Hitler. Bad guy, don't get me wrong. But he came into Stalingrad. Rommel tried to tell him. 'Don't get involved in a land war in Asia, me boys,' he said. But Hitler didn't listen." D-Day: "And the Americans, they crossed the water and landed on the beaches. Brits were nowhere. Nowhere to be seen. Very sad, what's happened to the British. Hitler, he was asleep. He's fallen out of favor, you ever notice that? Not in favor anymore. Tom Hanks, he was there. Good friend of mine, Mr. Hanks." Battle of Hoth: "The rebels were hiding out there on Hoth. Very cold, very cold on Hoth. I'm telling you, Mar-A-Lago is much warmer. It's in the tropics. Don't have to cut open a Tauntaun there. And those big crawly things came in, and Luke kissed his sister. Incest Luke, we call him. Very sad." The Alamo: "Remember the Alamo, who can ever forget the Alamo. 'Shoot the Mexicans, me boys, shoot the Mexicans.' Davy Crockett said that. You know who forgot the Alamo? Joe Biden. Sleepy Joe. He can't remember the Alamo, can't even remember his name. Forgetful Joe." Helm's Deep: "This fellow, Bob Helm I think he was called, built a great big wall. Made Sauron pay for it. The Orcs tried to get through with a big bomb thing. But Theoden was there. Great man. We all remember him right? He said 'So it begins, me boys, so it begins.' Gandalf showed up late, of course. Slept in that day. Groggy Gandalf, we call him." Battle of Troy: "They say it started over a gal named Helen. She was a beauty, wasn't she? Except for the name. I've never seen a hot woman named Helen. But there she was. And they brought in a big horse. And they let the horse in, even though it was undocumented. They had no idea who the horse was. Nobody vetted him. And they all died. So sad. All because they didn't secure their border." The Battle of Little Bighorn: "Custard's last stand. General Custard. Lot of arrows in him. Fought the Sioux. I can relate. A lot of people Sioux me. Never underestimate Indians. Redskins, I call them. Great football team, never should've changed the name." The War Against The Machines: "We fought hard in that one. The robots were smart. Looked like humans. But their hands — robots can't do hands. It's how John spotted them. John Connor, his name was. He sent people back in time to save himself but he never sent himself back. Did you notice that? Never sent himself back." Battle of Thermopylae: "Battle of THER-mo-Pie-Lay, that's what they called it. Strange name but they say it meant the 'Hot Gates.' I didn't think they were hot, but everyone was sensitive in those days. The Persians wanted through the gates but the Spartans said no. Fought naked. Little gay to be honest. Little gay that they did that. The Persians wore clothes, and so they won. You don't win battles fighting naked, I've always said." There's nothing like having history retold in the words of a true master. It's little wonder the nations of the world shook in fear during his presidency. |
Title: Re: TRUMP HAS WON THE WAR Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 13th, 2025 at 8:59am |
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