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Message started by Gordon on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:38am

Title: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Gordon on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:38am
It's a job-a-rama!!!!

Employment has risen every month in a calendar year for the first time in four decades - and possibly the first time in history


http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/jobs-boom-australias-employment-numbers-set-historic-mark-20180118-h0k5c4.html


Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by juliar on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:44am
Well when you have a financially brilliant man like Mal steering Australia to an export led booming prosperity for all what else can you expect ?

The booming Australian economy is what will win the election for Mal.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am
With zero to negative wage growth  :D

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Gordon on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:10am

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.


That's what happens with zero to negative wage growth

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Gordon on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:17am

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:10am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.


That's what happens with zero to negative wage growth


Ah so you're not happy that more people have a job.
At least we know.

And wage levels, can you read a chart? Looks like a long term trend that started with Kevin.




Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by whiteknight on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:28am
PM’s assurances on wage growth worth nothing when employers refuse to act on low wages despite high profits
17 January 2018
ACTU

   

ACTU President Ged Kearney Low wage growth change the rules

With wages growth at the lowest point for decades and profits growing fast employers still refuse to pass on desperately needed wage rises. Corporate greed and power are keeping Australians worrying close to not coping with rising costs.   :(

Quotes attributable to President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Ged Kearney:

“Malcolm Turnbull’s assurances that wages will rise are nonsense if they fall on deaf ears. Today’s response from employer groups shows just that.

“We need more than empty promises, we need to change the rules.

“Workers’ pay is a record low growth rates because under today’s rules big business has too much power, making it impossible for workers to bargain for pay rises.

“Even though wage growth is at record lows and corporate profits are up, big business is telling workers they will continue to miss out on pay rises.

“Big businesses’ profits are increasing rapidly with the assistance of the Turnbull Government who allow companies to pay no tax despite massive profits. And still our PM is determined to usher through further tax cuts for corporations.   :(

“A third of big businesses in Australia aren’t paying any tax, and workers’ wage growth remains at record low.

“Today the ACCI has suggested that the minimum wage should remain so low that working people must live in poverty.

“ACCI needs to accept that the rules are broken, working people need a pay rise, and their wages must increase.

“The federal government’s industrial relations system makes it illegal for workers to demand industry or sector-wide agreements and even restricts what workers are allowed to ask for.

“Employers won't bargain or give fair pay increases unless working people have enough power to make them bargain or there is an independent umpire who is empowered to assist.

“Working people should be able to bargain where the power is, across an industry or supply chain.’

“We need to change the rules so that workers have enough power to make sure wages are fair and jobs are secure.”

ENDS

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Bam on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:35am

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.

Jobs growth doesn't count if those jobs are just going to migrants flooding into the country on foreign work visas. We have a particular problem with illegal immigrants that is not being fixed by this do-nothing government.

Unemployment hasn't declined (it increased in December) and nothing is being done to reduce it. Long-term unemployment is a particular problem because the job services providers are useless idiots, employers aren't recruiting the long-term unemployed, the wider community are too fond of persecuting the unemployed, and everyone in Parliament thinks they know best about how to fix the problem without bothering to consult the unemployed themselves.

The only acceptable level of involuntary long-term unemployment is zero. Unemployment is currently at nearly 6% (official), about 10% (actual). Involuntary long-term unemployment makes up a bit more than half of those numbers. Nobody with a functioning brain can be happy with the jobs figures if long-term unemployment is not coming down, and strongly.

25 years of economic growth? Really? For whom?


Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 19th, 2018 at 12:33pm
Number of times unemployment rate below 5.5%

Oct 2013 - Jan 2018 Coalition 2
Dec 2007 - Sept 2013 Labor 52 even with a GFC


Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Bojack Horseman on Jan 19th, 2018 at 1:37pm

juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:44am:
Well when you have a financially brilliant man like Mal steering Australia to an export led booming prosperity for all what else can you expect ?

The booming Australian economy is what will win the election for Mal.




Surely that means though that Mal is better than Howard and Fraser.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Bam on Jan 19th, 2018 at 2:24pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:44am:
Well when you have a financially brilliant man like Mal steering Australia to an export led booming prosperity for all what else can you expect ?

The booming Australian economy is what will win the election for Mal.

Surely that means though that Mal is better than Howard and Fraser.

Mal. Bad. In the Latin.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by juliar on Jan 19th, 2018 at 5:33pm
Gee the Lefties have gone into a denial spiral dive as they see their hero the union puppet Bull S. sinking deeper into the quagmire of Labor's vast cesspool of corruption.

But don't forget that Lefties are not interested in jobs because they have their permanent positions in Centrelink.

In fact job vacancies make Lefties feel distinctly uncomfortable.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Leftwinger on Jan 19th, 2018 at 5:45pm

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 12:33pm:
Number of times unemployment rate below 5.5%

Oct 2013 - Jan 2018 Coalition 2
Dec 2007 - Sept 2013 Labor 52 even with a GFC


Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by juliar on Jan 19th, 2018 at 5:52pm
LW is trotting out the rot to try to get a giggle out of the responses. His usual tactic.

LW are you going to go into mourning on Australia Day = Invasion Day ?

Have you applied for a job at Uber yet ?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:16am
Just about keeping up with the unemployment numbers....... if this keeps up we'll only have around 3/4 of a million without a job and available for vilification as dole bludgers... and we all know that without an under-class no Volk can survive.....  ::)  ::)

I'm waiting for the crash after Christmas....

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:18am

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.


In that case tax the profiteers so that some of their increased wealth can trickle down... you can't have trickle down without someone controlling the tap and that controller is....... taxation... and thus responsible government.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 20th, 2018 at 4:25am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 1:37pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 9:44am:
Well when you have a financially brilliant man like Mal steering Australia to an export led booming prosperity for all what else can you expect ?

The booming Australian economy is what will win the election for Mal.




Surely that means though that Mal is better than Howard and Fraser.


How?  What has he done to create jobs?  Exactly how did the government do this?  Somebody?  Somebody?

Allowed more people in thus generating a need for some servicing of more people..... a nonsense argument for jobs an economic growth .... delayed the school leavers becoming unemployment benefit recipients thus distorting the figures ..... created more part-time jobs which are essentially desperation jobs and don't pay the bills .... enabled more visa holders in to do jobs, and as someone said, did nothing to act against illegals 'wetbacking' jobs.......

So... apart from all that.. what has Malcolm done to produce Jobson Growthe?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by stunspore on Jan 20th, 2018 at 10:21am
Malcolm does what he does best.  Nothing.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Gordon on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:31pm

Bam wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:35am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.

Jobs growth doesn't count if those jobs are just going to migrants flooding into the country on foreign work visas. We have a particular problem with illegal immigrants that is not being fixed by this do-nothing government.

Unemployment hasn't declined (it increased in December) and nothing is being done to reduce it. Long-term unemployment is a particular problem because the job services providers are useless idiots, employers aren't recruiting the long-term unemployed, the wider community are too fond of persecuting the unemployed, and everyone in Parliament thinks they know best about how to fix the problem without bothering to consult the unemployed themselves.

The only acceptable level of involuntary long-term unemployment is zero. Unemployment is currently at nearly 6% (official), about 10% (actual). Involuntary long-term unemployment makes up a bit more than half of those numbers. Nobody with a functioning brain can be happy with the jobs figures if long-term unemployment is not coming down, and strongly.

25 years of economic growth? Really? For whom?


Hey Bam....you were saying...

The 457 visa for temporary workers won’t be officially abolished until March 1, but the number granted has already fallen by more than a third – heralding a squeeze on foreign workers by the coalition.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-coalition-is-putting-the-early-squeeze-on-foreign-workers-20180119-p4yymz.html

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Dnarever on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:36pm

juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 5:52pm:
LW is trotting out the rot to try to get a giggle out of the responses. His usual tactic.

LW are you going to go into mourning on Australia Day = Invasion Day ?

Have you applied for a job at Uber yet ?


Why don't you get a job ??? You seem to talk about others doing it a lot ? 

Or is this it for you ?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Dnarever on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm
Employment numbers set historic mark

Interesting that the unemployment rate increased to 5.5%.

While 35,000 people found a job - the poster forgot to mention that 20,000 people were made unemployed.

Looks like the title is just cherry picking when you consider that unemployment actually increased.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Grendel on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm
Soooooo....  how many of these record number of jobs are actually full time?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by issuevoter on Jan 20th, 2018 at 9:03pm
Whinge, whinge, whinge. Don't you Lefties have anything positive to say about this country. You want to change Australia Day. You want tax everything that moves, and you want policies that lead to high inflation. AND you want out of the ANZUS treaty.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Gordon on Jan 20th, 2018 at 9:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Employment numbers set historic mark

Interesting that the unemployment rate increased to 5.5%.

While 35,000 people found a job - the poster forgot to mention that 20,000 people were made unemployed.

Looks like the title is just cherry picking when you consider that unemployment actually increased.


Bam said the number of jobs is meaningless because of high levels of immigration and our do nothing govt was not addressing that. I've just posted a a story about 457s being cut back.

Come on guys don't be such rusted on partisans. Surely good news is good news? Right?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Grendel on Jan 21st, 2018 at 8:33am

Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Soooooo....  how many of these record number of jobs are actually full time?


Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Bam on Jan 21st, 2018 at 2:10pm

Gordon wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:31pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:35am:

Gordon wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:08am:

Its time wrote on Jan 19th, 2018 at 10:06am:
With zero to negative wage growth  :D


Are you happy that more people now have a job?
A simple yes or no answer will do.

Jobs growth doesn't count if those jobs are just going to migrants flooding into the country on foreign work visas. We have a particular problem with illegal immigrants that is not being fixed by this do-nothing government.

Unemployment hasn't declined (it increased in December) and nothing is being done to reduce it. Long-term unemployment is a particular problem because the job services providers are useless idiots, employers aren't recruiting the long-term unemployed, the wider community are too fond of persecuting the unemployed, and everyone in Parliament thinks they know best about how to fix the problem without bothering to consult the unemployed themselves.

The only acceptable level of involuntary long-term unemployment is zero. Unemployment is currently at nearly 6% (official), about 10% (actual). Involuntary long-term unemployment makes up a bit more than half of those numbers. Nobody with a functioning brain can be happy with the jobs figures if long-term unemployment is not coming down, and strongly.

25 years of economic growth? Really? For whom?


Hey Bam....you were saying...

The 457 visa for temporary workers won’t be officially abolished until March 1, but the number granted has already fallen by more than a third – heralding a squeeze on foreign workers by the coalition.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-coalition-is-putting-the-early-squeeze-on-foreign-workers-20180119-p4yymz.html

Renaming the 457 visa won't fix the problems. Many of these foreign workers are given other classes of visa, some of which limit their hours of work and others don't even allow them to work in Australia at all. Others overstay their visas and then disappear. These are the major source of illegal immigrants. Why does the government do nothing about them?

Labour market testing is too lax for some classes of visa, others don't have any. Some companies don't even bother employing Australians at all. Others sack their Australian staff and import foreign workers. Why does the government allow this to take place?

Until these problems are fixed, any minor changes to 457 visas such as renaming them won't do anything useful.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Bam on Jan 21st, 2018 at 2:12pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2018 at 8:53pm:
Soooooo....  how many of these record number of jobs are actually full time?

Not enough.

Another similar question to ask: how many of these record number of jobs is secure employment?

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 21st, 2018 at 7:08pm
Employment numbers set historic hysterical mark

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by Hoss on Jan 22nd, 2018 at 10:36am
HI ALL

Just more hot air for global warming.

Title: Re: Employment numbers set historic mark
Post by crocodile on Jan 22nd, 2018 at 11:33am
Employment numbers are up because wages growth is zero. Simple as that.

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