Meet the Indonesian mayor who refuses to bow to Islamist clerics

What do ya reckon, killed by religious lunatics before the end of February?

Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian?

Dead man walking.

It's just so hard to believe, one of the most enlightened muslim countries (according to leftard apologists) acting like this. Who would have thought it? 

Looks like another own goal.

Lakemba? Auburn? What's the future hold for those?

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 12:06pm:

Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian?

Are you allowed to express opinions, FD?

I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

Quote:

The Indonesian mayor who refuses to bow to hard-line Islamist clerics By Indonesia correspondent David Lipson Updated January 27, 2018 'Muslims shouldn't elect an infidel' There is a bigger problem brewing at a nearby mosque, where cleric Asep Jumaludin is giving his Friday sermon. "If you wrongly choose a leader you have committed sin," he tells the congregation. "God has said that Muslims should not elect an infidel to be leader." Outside, he makes it clear he was talking about Mr Dedi. "Purwakarta was an Islamic region before, but now it's become the city of statues, in opposition to Islam," he says.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-27/the-indonesian-mayor-who-refuses-to-bow-to-islamist-clerics/9365886



"God has said that Muslims should not elect an infidel to be leader."

Yep, that is what Allah has said.

'Joining' yourself with an infidel, is a mortal sin....




"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 27^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

What do ya reckon, killed by religious lunatics before the end of February?

Be stunned if he is alive by the start of February.

Karnal wrote on Jan 28^th, 2018 at 11:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 12:06pm: Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian? Are you allowed to express opinions, FD? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.

FD hounds Brian day after day with this same routine... apparently with a straight face while this same warrior of freedom, who believes it is his civic duty to defend against attacks on freedom wherever and whenever they occur - disappears into witness protection whenever the resident Islamophobes call for muslim's freedoms to be curbed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2018 at 3:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 28th, 2018 at 11:12pm: freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 12:06pm: Are you allowed to have an opinion on this one Brian? Are you allowed to express opinions, FD? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think. FD hounds Brian day after day with this same routine... apparently with a straight face while this same warrior of freedom, who believes it is his civic duty to defend against attacks on freedom wherever and whenever they occur - disappears into witness protection whenever the resident Islamophobes call for muslim's freedoms to be curbed.

Now that's not entirely true, is it Gandalf? I'll get you started:

except.....

lets start with my signature FD.

Now off you go, scurry off

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 10:38am:

lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off

Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature.

Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia?

Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia?

Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy.

There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia.

So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind.



So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom.i

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom.

If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren.

Oh, you don't?  How unsurprising, hey?   Islamophobic bigot.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom. If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren. Oh, you don't?  How unsurprising, hey?   Islamophobic bigot.   ::) ::)

You can't support sharia AND liberal democracy simultaneously, Bwian.

Muslim group wants sharia law in Australia
Most Muslims want sharia law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IisZH4nDMFE

Abu was happy to support liberal democracy. Brian would have loved him. He just had a "slightly different take" on what democracy means - only Muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and shariah law is the only platform they can run on.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom. If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren. Oh, you don't?  How unsurprising, hey?   Islamophobic bigot.   ::) ::)

I have absolutely NO EVIDENCE that ALL Muslims support liberal democratic values, shithead.

Lame attempt at a switcheroo by you, lying, dishonest mong.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom. [size=14]If you have evidence that           all Australian Muslims         are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren.

Easy.

And there is able evidence, that 'Aussie' moslems       "are not supportive of liberal-democratic values".


Brian,

Is every moslem in Australia, a moslem ?



A PROPOSITION OF LOGIC;

Q.
What is a moslem Brian ?

By definition,       a moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

Correct ?    ....or are you going to contest the truth of that logic  ???


And, every follower of ISLAM, is a supporter of what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law, endorses, promotes, encourages,
and is a supporter of prohibiting, what ISLAM and ISLAMIC law prohibits.


And Brian, ISLAMIC law itself, states that        a moslem       can't be,        a moslem       if he is tolerant of "those who resist Allah and His Messenger", or if he has friends who are not moslems.

Brian, if those are indeed         the allegiance affirmations        that 'Aussie' moslems make,
then 'Aussie' moslems       "are not supportive of liberal-democratic values".

True ?


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Abu was happy to support liberal democracy. Brian would have loved him. He just had a "slightly different take" on what democracy means - only Muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and shariah law is the only platform they can run on.

Just like in muslim countries FD.          ;)



AN OLDIE BUT A GOODIE.....

sheikyermami.com, satirising the shameless deceit of the moslem.....

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IMAGE....
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/sheik.jpg

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'


image source....
http://sheikyermami.com/

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Abu was happy to support liberal democracy. Brian would have loved him. He just had a "slightly different take" on what democracy means - only Muslims can vote, only Muslims can run for office, and shariah law is the only platform they can run on.

Put this one in the Wiki, FD. You can use it as proof of Abu's sinister world view and what Muslims  themselves think.

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 6:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:30pm: Frank wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom. If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren. Oh, you don't?  How unsurprising, hey?   Islamophobic bigot.   ::) ::) You can't support sharia AND liberal democracy simultaneously, Bwian.

According to whom, FD?  You?   Sorry, you claim to support Freedom of Speech, unless it is a Muslim speaking.  You claim to support Freedom of Association and Assembly, unless it is Muslims doing that.  You claim to support Freedom of Religion, except for Muslims.   FD, many people here claim to support many things and in the next post will post the opposite of what they claim to believe in.   Tsk, tsk.  Sort out your own beliefs before carping on about others, is what I'd recommend.    ::)

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2018 at 7:19pm:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam?

FD, do you have the right or ability to criticize decent white people everywhere?

If you answer that, I'll drop a stool on Islam just for you.

Miam miam.

yes

FD, I did say ability too, you know.

Still, that yes was hard for you, I know. I applaud your effort to write those three letters - sans capitals and punctuation as that would require an extra keystroke that apologists like me simply do not deserve.

So that's one stool on Islam. If you answer this, I'll give you another:

Do you uphold the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman?

Raven wrote on Jan 29^th, 2018 at 2:22am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 11:36am: What do ya reckon, killed by religious lunatics before the end of February? Be stunned if he is alive by the start of February.

I think we should offer him asylum and install him as mayor of Sydney's Muslim capital, Auburn.

You'll notice one of his detractors referred to the Sacred Scripts of Islam to make the pronouncement ...

"If you wrongly choose a leader you have committed sin," he tells the congregation.

"God has said that Muslims should not elect an infidel to be leader."

Food for thought.

Frank wrote on Feb 1^st, 2018 at 7:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:30pm: Frank wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 6:01pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 1st, 2018 at 10:38am: lets start with my signature FD. Now off you go, scurry off Yes, good idea, let's start with your signature. Are Muslims supportive of liberal democratic, British-derived political and social institutions in Australia? Are they supportive of individual freedoms, democratic law-making or are they supportive of sharia? Displaying signs of sharia-compliant lives -  beards in a certain way, women covered in a certain way -  those Muslims are DEMONSTRATING their preference for sharia over liberal democracy. There is no reconciliation, only enmity, between individual freedoms and sharia. So displaying the signs of sharia is displaying opposition to liberal democracy, individual freedom and worth, freedom from Mohammed imposed dogma.  There is absolutely nothing about sharia that is a private spiritual consideration to be respected by principles of freedom of religion. Sharia undermines and stands in opposition to  every tenet of individual freedom of any kind. So your signature captures the truth of Islamic ideology and its concerted efforts to undermine and overthrow enlightenment, Christian, liberal, atheist, agnostic - in a word - FREE societies.  Islam is the self-identified enemy of freedom, its very meaning, Submission, is the antithesis  of  freedom. If you have evidence that all Australian Muslims are not supportive of liberal-democratic values, please post it, Soren. Oh, you don't?  How unsurprising, hey?   Islamophobic bigot.   ::) ::) I have absolutely NO EVIDENCE that ALL Muslims support liberal democratic values, shithead. Lame attempt at a switcheroo by you, lying, dishonest mong.

Whomever claimed all Muslims support Liberal Democratic values.  We know all (nominal) Christians don't, either.  Look at yourself.  Look at Freediver.  Look at Herbie.  Look at Moses, Yadda, etc.   So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims.

Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions.

Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=229&v=cbdtMLc2i38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=232&v=6j_7Lb82y64

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions. Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now.

Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren.  No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise.   All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren.  Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.  Perhaps it's your Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6jvmQ0EL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epbbEqvXOU8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQ3IrhY6dc

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:

Whomever claimed all Muslims support Liberal Democratic values.  We know all (nominal) Christians don't, either. Look at yourself. Look at Freediver. Look at Herbie. Look at Moses, Yadda, etc.  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?

1 Peter 2:13
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14  Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15  For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16  As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17  Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal. We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law. Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve. Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society. SUGGESTION; If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia. Act within the law. Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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ISLAM,       and what ISLAM always teaches, to its followers,
about the followers of ISLAM accepting pluralism......

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IMAGE...
http://raymondibrahim.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/129.jpeg

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior January 18, 2012 Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong "...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance. When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-islamic-behavior/



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Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims London, Sept.8 [2007] A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war. Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle. A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain. Polite and softly spoken.... He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




Google,
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"





Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine "...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine




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Quote:

July 28, 2006 Islamic Dictionary for Infidels ...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGcpdYHfxM

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

That is simply not true.

For another consecutive year in a row, Egypt proves to be an inhospitable place for Christians, namely its most indigenous inhabitants, the Copts.  According to Open Doors, a human rights organization that closely follows the treatment of Christians around the world, “Although Christianity has deep roots in Egypt going back centuries before the advent of Islam in North Africa, Christians are often marginalized and treated as second class citizens in modern Egypt.”[1] Accordingly, Egypt is ranked as the 17th worst nation (out of nearly 200) wherein to be Christian; there, Christians experience “very high” level of “persecution.”

https://www.copticsolidarity.org/2018/01/24/egypts-christians-suffering-from-very-high-persecution/

There is no Western occupation or war in Egypt. They are one of the largest recipients of Western, especially American foreign aid. The persecution of Copts is entirely due to Islam in Egypt.



As far as non-political religious practice in mosques, there is absolutely no difference between the religious freedoms of anyone in Australia or across the West. You cannot say they same for Muslim countries, not Egypt, not any Arab country, not Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran.  And the difference is entirely due to Islam itself.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren.  No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise. All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have.

Yes, AUSTRALIANS, respect our religion,
or else, we will kill you!

'Aussie' moslems simply want the right to practice their religion,
.....WITHOUT HINDRANCE FROM AUSTRALIAN, OR AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES.

Honest!


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IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.

Here we see the moslem community in Australia, demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems,        religious bigots,         'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Moslems demanding their 'human right' to exercise the 'freedom of religion' of the moslem.

THE RIGHT OF THE MOSLEM [which is set out within ISLAMIC law!], to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.


QUESTION;
How many of those persons who took part in that moslem street protest in Sydney, Australia,          TO INCITE RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY, AND RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE, AND MURDER,         were ever identified, charged and brought before a court of law ? !!



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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren. Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.

QUESTION;
Why are Australians persecuting moslems !!! ?

When we can all see, that the followers of ISLAM who are living in Australia simply want their right,
in Australia,
to enjoy        >>>freedom of religion<<<,
behind closed doors,
in order to teach their children how to practice ISLAM.


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This LAWLESSNESS, being promoted among ISLAM's followers, is occurring in Australia.


You will witness, good 'Aussie' moslems,
in Australia,
behind closed doors,
teaching their children how to practice ISLAM.....



Quote:

"You're never too young to be a homicidal maniac for Allah!"

- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.


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Muslims brainwash children in Australia  -------- >   goto 43 sec
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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504079978/14#14

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'Teacher quits after     primary school     students threaten to behead her' QUESTION; Where do moslem children living in Australia get these ideas from ?

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6jvmQ0EL0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epbbEqvXOU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQ3IrhY6dc

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment.


Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions. Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now. Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren.  No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise.   All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have. What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren.  Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.  Perhaps it's your Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

It is a BS religion, undeserving of respect. Thus, they are demanding special treatment - that their religion be judged not on it's merits, but on the merits of other religions.

And since when do people respect Christianity? The Life of Brian came out decades ago. Try doing that to Islam, and you won't live long, no matter where you hide. Muslims demand superiority, not just equality, for a religion that is inferior in every meaningful measure.

Do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam Brian?

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Muslims want an Ummah, a caliphate, sharia law, they want to spread Islam, they self--segregate and they cause division everywhere. Islam wants submission. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6jvmQ0EL0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epbbEqvXOU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQ3IrhY6dc

The fault is entirely that of the British politicians. It's they who initiated this immigration stream and encouraged a policy of non-assimilation to the effect of what we see today ~ urban outposts of Pakistan colonisation all over Britain.


Unfortunately, when 'race riots' (against Muslims) break out all over Britain, as it inevitably will at some time in the future, the English combatants will have their own politicians furthest from their minds.

The first people to be targeted in any civil conflict should be the politicians of the past 50 years who knowingly and with aforethought brought about this situation through social engineering.

They should be hanged as traitors to the British people.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 5:31pm:

How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::)

You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims  - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia??
These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims.


You are a Christanophone and a phobe of many other views of the world. Why can't I hate any ideology, including Islam.

What is so sacred about Islam for you, Bwian al Binliner?   ::) ::)  tsk, tsk.

You are stupid, you are inconsistent, you are spineless, idiotic, self-contradictory, you lie. Mail order doctorate material. AND YOU BOAST about your mail order doctorate.  But think critically???  You'd rather die.

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 4:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:21pm: All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have. That is simply not true.

Evidence of this in Australia, Soren.   Not overseas.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)i

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment.

Unlike the Christians and the Jews, hey, Freediver?

Run along.  I hear your Islamophobic playmates are calling you from the playground.    ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 5:31pm: How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims  - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia??

'cause I have served with/studied with/taught and work with Muslims on a daily basis, Soren.  Grow up.  I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion.   Unlike you, who's only knowledge is the propaganda that you swallow (apparently daily) from the neo-Nazis you hang around with.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)


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These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims.

Actually they aren't.  The majority of British Muslims come from the Indian sub-continent.  The majority of Australian Muslims come from SE Asia and SW Asia.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:56pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:20pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 5:31pm: How interesting, you cannot discover what Australian Muslims desire so you quote videos about British Muslims.  Tsk, tsk, Soren, tsk, tsk.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) You have said repeatedly that you know nothing about Islam and Muslims  - so how would you know if Muslims in Britain are different to Muslims in Australia?? 'cause I have served with/studied with/taught and work with Muslims on a daily basis, Soren.  Grow up.  I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion.   Unlike you, who's only knowledge is the propaganda that you swallow (apparently daily) from the neo-Nazis you hang around with.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) Quote: These mulims all come from the same places to Britain and Australia so they are the same Muslims. Actually they aren't.  The majority of British Muslims come from the Indian sub-continent.  The majority of Australian Muslims come from SE Asia and SW Asia.

What's the difference between Islam in Araby, Pakiland and Indonesia?  Different Koran? Different Mo-hammered? No.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:56pm:

I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion.

What is your understanding of the broad outline of the Islamic religion, Brian?




Six Filipinos Killed for Confessing Christ

08 February 2006

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 11:51pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 6:37pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment. Unlike the Christians and the Jews, hey, Freediver? Run along.  I hear your Islamophobic playmates are calling you from the playground.    ::) ::)

I have never seen a Christian or Jew try to justify genocide. Every Muslim I can think of that has posted here has tried to justify genocide. That's what Islam is.

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They want to be able to justify genocide and promote fascism, without criticism. That is not equal treatment. That is special treatment. Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:21pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 4:12pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:55pm: Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 3:11pm:  So, tell us, Soren, why should all Muslims be treated any differently under Australian law to how all Christians are treated?  Mmmm?   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Hanson's exact point - NO special consideration or allowances for Muslims. Most Muslims aren't suggesting any.   All they want is equal treatment.  Equal treatment that you refuse to accord them, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) They HAVE equal treatment. They want Islamic concessions. Imagine if we treated Muslims in the West as Muslims treat the kufar in Muslim countries. You could squeal then. But not now. Muslims in Australia do not want unequal treatment, in the main, Soren.  No matter how much you claim that all Muslims seek special treatment, the facts suggest otherwise.   All Muslims desire is that their religion have the equal respect that Christianity/Judaism have. What is amazing is that you're not attacking Hindus or Buddhists or Sikhs who have asked the same thing, Soren.  Your persecution is centred solely on the Muslims for some reason.  Perhaps it's your Islamophobia?  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::) It is a BS religion, undeserving of respect. Thus, they are demanding special treatment - that their religion be judged not on it's merits, but on the merits of other religions. And since when do people respect Christianity? The Life of Brian came out decades ago. Try doing that to Islam, and you won't live long, no matter where you hide. Muslims demand superiority, not just equality, for a religion that is inferior in every meaningful measure. Do you have the right or ability to criticise Islam Brian?

Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect?

List of 3000+  Gods.

There are so many of them:

https://foxhugh.com/list-of-lists/list-of-gods-2700/

Which one should we follow?

Captain Kirk met a God:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz508DAx68U


But he overpowered him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQO36WlbPb4

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Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect?

six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba.

non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species.

Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same.

moses wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 12:27pm:

Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same.

To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

The Germans are buying guns like never before.


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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 5:13pm:

moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same. To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

A bit like neo nazis, communists, PHON members, no? Judge them each individually, not by what ideas they identify with.

Or is this only Muslims, Bwian? Are you a neo nazi, communist or PHON member? If not, you musn't criticise them or even express a view.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 5:13pm:

moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same. To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect?

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 12:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 3rd, 2018 at 11:56pm:   I am quite willing to admit my ignorance about the finer points of Muslim theology but I do know and understand the broad outline of the religion.  What is your understanding of the broad outline of the Islamic religion, Brian?

Far better than yours I fear, Soren if those stories are any example to go by.  So, we now know what sort of stories you read and believe about Muslims.  Tsk, tsk,  Islamophobe.  Where did you get them?  An Islamophobic website perhaps?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 5:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:13pm: moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same. To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) A bit like neo nazis, communists, PHON members, no? Judge them each individually, not by what ideas they identify with. Or is this only Muslims, Bwian? Are you a neo nazi, communist or PHON member? If not, you musn't criticise them or even express a view.

Nope and nope, Soren.  Try again.   You're pitiful in attempting to justify your persecution of an entire religious group who have done you no harm.  Tsk, tsk.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 7:31pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:13pm: moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same. To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) A bit like neo nazis, communists, PHON members, no? Judge them each individually, not by what ideas they identify with. Or is this only Muslims, Bwian? Are you a neo nazi, communist or PHON member? If not, you musn't criticise them or even express a view. Nope and nope, Soren.  Try again.   You're pitiful in attempting to justify your persecution of an entire religious group who have done you no harm.  Tsk, tsk.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

What is the difference between peaceful, law abiding nazis, communists, Muslims, PHON members, conservatives, Cory, Milo, Trump supporters?


Which of these groups are you a member of, Bwian? In none, then do refrain from uttering critical opinions about them.

As a matter of point, do refrain from criticising anyone who is not a member of your in-group, Bwian.

Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"?

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect?

Yes.

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 8:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 7:31pm: Frank wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:54pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 5:13pm: moses wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm: Quote: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? six of the deadliest snakes on the planet: Saw-scaled viper, King cobra, Tiger snake, Inland taipan, Faint-banded sea snake, Black mamba. non-venomous: Boas, pythons, bullsnakes, and kingsnakes are examples of truly non-venomous snake species. Apparently leftard apologists believe that you should treat all snakes the same. To you, all Muslims are venomous, no matter how venomous they actually are.   To me, they are simply Muslims, until they prove they are dangerous.  I treat them as individuals, not a collective.  Why?  Because everybody is different, Moses.  When you grow up and join the adult world, you'll have learnt that.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) A bit like neo nazis, communists, PHON members, no? Judge them each individually, not by what ideas they identify with. Or is this only Muslims, Bwian? Are you a neo nazi, communist or PHON member? If not, you musn't criticise them or even express a view. Nope and nope, Soren.  Try again.   You're pitiful in attempting to justify your persecution of an entire religious group who have done you no harm.  Tsk, tsk.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) What is the difference between peaceful, law abiding nazis, communists, Muslims, PHON members, conservatives, Cory, Milo, Trump supporters? Which of these groups are you a member of, Bwian? In none, then do refrain from uttering critical opinions about them. As a matter of point, do refrain from criticising anyone who is not a member of your in-group, Bwian.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, poor, Soren.  Keep trying, just bang the rocks together.    ::)

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"?

Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Captain Kirk meets God:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sqkahSziU

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 10:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam?



Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4^th, 2018 at 10:39pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 8:44am: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? Yes.

Why? Is this based on ignorance of Islam?

And by respect, do you mean we should be able to mock Islam the way we do with Christianity (eg, Life of Brian) without fear?

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam?

The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.   You appear willing to extend those rights to everybody else but not to Muslims.   I wonder why?  Doesn't your Islamophobia prevent you from doing it?  Tsk, tsk.   ::)


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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:39pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 8:44am: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? Yes. Why? Is this based on ignorance of Islam?

Nope.


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And by respect, do you mean we should be able to mock Islam the way we do with Christianity (eg, Life of Brian) without fear?

Have a hard think about it, FD.  Eventually, if you keep banging the rocks together, you'll work it out.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.

Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries).

However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned.
Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars.

Frank wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.  Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries). However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned. Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars.

You refuse to extend those rights to others, Soren because you fear the consequences. You would have to see them then as humans, on an equal to yourself.   We know from your past postings that you hate people who have darker skin/differently shaped eyes/thicker lips/etc.   To you, they are sub-humans.   This of course, ignores all the Genetic evidence that shows they are exactly the same as you. Tsk, tsk.   

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.   You appear willing to extend those rights to everybody else but not to Muslims.   I wonder why?  Doesn't your Islamophobia prevent you from doing it?  Tsk, tsk.   ::) Quote: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:39pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 8:44am: Brian do you think Islam actually deserves equal respect? Yes. Why? Is this based on ignorance of Islam? Nope. [quote] And by respect, do you mean we should be able to mock Islam the way we do with Christianity (eg, Life of Brian) without fear?

Have a hard think about it, FD.  Eventually, if you keep banging the rocks together, you'll work it out.    ::)[/quote]

How am I doing that Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:15pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.  Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries). However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned. Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars. You refuse to extend those rights to others, Soren because you fear the consequences. You would have to see them then as humans, on an equal to yourself.   We know from your past postings that you hate people who have darker skin/differently shaped eyes/thicker lips/etc.   To you, they are sub-humans.   This of course, ignores all the Genetic evidence that shows they are exactly the same as you. Tsk, tsk.

A complete lie. I am even more contemptuous of white converts to Islam. Natives at least liberate themselves and I am all for thiise.

White muslims are justt lost soul s who want to be lost and sup with ghe devil, to coin a psychological term.

Frank wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 9:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:15pm: Frank wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.  Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries). However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned. Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars. You refuse to extend those rights to others, Soren because you fear the consequences. You would have to see them then as humans, on an equal to yourself.   We know from your past postings that you hate people who have darker skin/differently shaped eyes/thicker lips/etc.   To you, they are sub-humans.   This of course, ignores all the Genetic evidence that shows they are exactly the same as you. Tsk, tsk.    A complete lie. I am even more contemptuous of white converts to Islam. Natives at least liberate themselves and I am all for thiise. White muslims are justt lost soul s who want to be lost and sup with ghe devil, to coin a psychological term.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Soren.  Your Danish is showing through.   Your Xenophobic friends in the playground will be upset.    ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 7:23pm:

How am I doing that Brian?

By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible.

My question is, why do you do this, Freediver?

When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::)

FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Frank wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 6:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.  Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries). However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned. Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars.

Frank likes to have a bob each way on this moral issue. On the one hand he cynically invokes the notion of western freedom to denote his superior moral identity, while at the same time he attacks that very ideal with statements like the one in my signature.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5^th, 2018 at 11:14pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::)

Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Is it dawning on you yet how completely idiotic your posts are getting?



polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection.

Gandalf do you agree with Brian?

How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

FD can you remember the last time you spoke out against the incessant attacks on muslim's freedoms? Serious question. Was it the burqa defense 5+ years ago? Are you appalled by the quote contained in my signature? Do you agree that its spineless apologism for the most flagrant of attacks on freedom?

About what Brian says, just one example, you advocate a religiously discriminatory immigration test, which involves targeting "people who appear muslim". You justified it with the "I'm only targeting political ideology - and since Islam is only political ideology, its ok" defense.

You have also expressed a willingness to join the attacks on muslim's freedoms if the terrorists can't be brought into line. So much for your "must defend even those we most oppose" mantra eh?

tsk tsk oh dear, rolls eyes

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:59am:

Frank wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 6:09pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 4:36pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 12:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 10:42pm: freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2018 at 9:16pm: Brian is it persecuting Muslims to not give Islam "equal respect"? Persecuting Muslims is not giving Muslims the rights they deserve, FD.   Something you are very good at doing.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) What rights am I denying Muslims Brian? The right to equal respect for Islam? The rights to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Religion, FD.  Muslims have these rights in the West (not in Muslim countries, not to mention non-Muslims in those countries). However, there is no Right to be Respected, Bwian, that has to be earned. Nor a Right not to be Offended. Muslims feel murderously offended by what other Muslims do or say, never mind us - and I don't mean you when I say us -  kuffars. Frank likes to have a bob each way on this moral issue. On the one hand he cynically invokes the notion of western freedom to denote his superior moral identity, while at the same time he attacks that very ideal with statements like the one in my signature.

For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom.

DO notice that you are perfectly free to spout Islamic crap, nobody stops you. But you overstep the limit when you want people to refrain from criticising  and dismiss your Islamic propaganda.

You simply use Western freedoms to spread anti-Western, submission propaganda and call it Islamophobia when people don't go along with your expansionist demands to tolerate your intolerance of freedom.


Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no?


No.

They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 2:07pm:

FD can you remember the last time you spoke out against the incessant attacks on muslim's freedoms? Serious question. Was it the burqa defense 5+ years ago? Are you appalled by the quote contained in my signature? Do you agree that its spineless apologism for the most flagrant of attacks on freedom? About what Brian says, just one example, you advocate a religiously discriminatory immigration test, which involves targeting "people who appear muslim". You justified it with the "I'm only targeting political ideology - and since Islam is only political ideology, its ok" defense. You have also expressed a willingness to join the attacks on muslim's freedoms if the terrorists can't be brought into line. So much for your "must defend even those we most oppose" mantra eh? tsk tsk oh dear, rolls eyes

dear Gandalf,
we're afraid of terrorists  - that's all.
Don't try and over complicate it.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 12:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK.

When you work out the difference, we might be able to discuss this more fully.  Until then, I recommend you just keep banging those rocks together, OK?   ::)


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Is it dawning on you yet how completely idiotic your posts are getting?

Is it dawning on you yet how completely idiotic your posts are getting?   ::)


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polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:54am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection. Gandalf do you agree with Brian? How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran?

The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom.

In your opinion, perhaps.  I feel that all religion is an enemy of freedom, Soren.  However, I also respect that it is an individual's choice whether they believe in a religion or not.  You don't speak out against any other religion, therefore it appears you are frightened, nay, terrified of Islam and Islam alone.  Islamophobe.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK.

And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam?

If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?



Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:50pm:

Quote: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:54am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection. Gandalf do you agree with Brian? How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran? The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How am I attacking them Brian?

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:

Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no? No. They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous.

I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 6:54pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm: For the simple reason that Islam is the enemy of every single Western freedom. In your opinion, perhaps.  I feel that all religion is an enemy of freedom, Soren.  However, I also respect that it is an individual's choice whether they believe in a religion or not.  You don't speak out against any other religion, therefore it appears you are frightened, nay, terrified of Islam and Islam alone.  Islamophobe.   ::)

We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge.


You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that.

You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else.

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:28pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no? No. They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous. I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn

Not a few.

Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West.

The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't  be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:28pm:

We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:28pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no? No. They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous. I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn Not a few. Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West. The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't  be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

They banned Gandalf from Aussie Muslims.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 7:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm: freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK. And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam? If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  FD, tell me, have you ever accepted any view other than your own about Muslims and Islam?  Any at all?  Have you ever admitted you were wrong in your unending criticism?

I suspect not.

The people who decide whether your criticism is valid or not are your audience.   If you were brave enough, you'd be making your criticisms on an Islamic website, not a non-Islamic one like here.   Then, what sort of reception do you think you'd receive?   The validity of your arguments leave a great deal to be desired.  A great deal.


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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm: [quote] polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:54am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection. Gandalf do you agree with Brian? How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran? The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

How am I attacking them Brian?[/quote]

By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:28pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no? No. They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous. I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn Not a few. Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West. The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't  be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again.

Your position might actually be a bit more palatable if you didn't insist on making the bigoted connection between sinister intentions and choice of clothing. See how you effortlessly and seamlessly oscilate between 'too many hijabs/beards' and 'fundamental crazies' who just want to bully and threaten? 

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm: freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 12:25pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) Are you saying that criticising Muslims is the same as denying them the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Criticism, if it is valid, is OK, FD.  Invalid criticism, based around fear mongering and hatred?  No, that is not OK. And who decides which criticism is valid? Someone who has no right or ability to criticise Islam? If you decide my criticism is invalid, does that mean I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  FD, tell me, have you ever accepted any view other than your own about Muslims and Islam?  Any at all?  Have you ever admitted you were wrong in your unending criticism? I suspect not. The people who decide whether your criticism is valid or not are your audience.   If you were brave enough, you'd be making your criticisms on an Islamic website, not a non-Islamic one like here.   Then, what sort of reception do you think you'd receive?   The validity of your arguments leave a great deal to be desired.  A great deal. Quote: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:50pm: [quote] polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:54am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 11:14pm: freediver wrote on Feb 5th, 2018 at 7:23pm: How am I doing that Brian? By your merciless efforts to attack Muslims on every front, whenever possible. My question is, why do you do this, Freediver? When you start attacking Christians/Hindus/Jews/etc. for the same reasons you attack Muslims, I might believe you treat them all equally.   You won't though, because you only apparently fear Muslims.  Islamophobe.   ::) ::) FD is complicit in attacking freedom by his own standards. He once stated that proponents of freedom who do not stand up against attacks on freedom, are complicit in those attacks. Yet apart from a couple of token defenses of women's right to wear the burqa, the last more than 5 years ago, his response to daily attacks on muslim freedoms - including calls to intern them, deport them and deny them the right to worship - has been to scurry off into witness protection. Gandalf do you agree with Brian? How do you go from someone defending freedom of dress to them being complicit in attacks on freedom of dress? Is this the same logic you use in 'interpreting' the Quran? The point is, FD, that you are assuming that you defending freedom of dress by attacking Muslim women who may well have chosen, themselves, completely independently from men, how they should dress.   You fail to understand that "freedom of dress" means well, freedom to dress how a person likes - which includes dressing in a Burqa if they desire.   You are clearly imposing your views on the person who chooses to dress in that way.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) How am I attacking them Brian?

By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)[/quote]

So merely by having a few spineless apologists disagree with what I say, I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? Is this idiocy really what you think Brian?

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Run along, Freediver.  Your attempts at intimidation are proving fruitless.  I am sure there are other people you can bully.  Tsk, tsk.    ::) ::)

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 12:33pm:

So merely by having a few spineless apologists disagree with what I say, I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion?

disagreeing with what you say? No FD, thats called lying, remember?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 9:51am:

Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:33pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:28pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm: Why do Muslims come to the West and demand the right to re-create the Islamic shitholes they supposedly fled? Why don't all those hijabis and niqabis and bearded mutts flocking to Muslim countries? There are dozens of them, there must be a few that are not complete stink holes, no? No. They all want to go to the despised kuffar's countries and demand to be accommodated by a system they despise.  Your hypocrisy is stupendous. I doubt the ones who actually come here despise us. No seriously. The vast majority don't bring backward culture here and demand the caliphate or whatever. Yet you see a few harmless hijabs and funny beards, and you make that utterly ridiculous assumption. Shame on you. There is no discussion to be had with you, its nothing but pure bigotry. tsk tsk rolls eyes yawn Not a few. Far too many. You Muslims continue to oppress and bully and threaten each other when you come to the West. The Hizbies, the Hezbollahs, the Hamas supporters, the various fundamentalist crazies in pajamas and beards wouldn't  be positively thriving if you were speaking the truth. But you are lying once again. Your position might actually be a bit more palatable if you didn't insist on making the bigoted connection between sinister intentions and choice of clothing. See how you effortlessly and seamlessly oscilate between 'too many hijabs/beards' and 'fundamental crazies' who just want to bully and threaten?

The strong connection is undeniable.

The stupid beards, the hijab and the niqab have no other point than to signal, from a mile away, their adherence to fundamentalist Islam, that is to say, orthodox Islam and strong personal resentment of Western institutions, modes of thinking and being. If it wasn't, they would dress like everyone else.

But the costume - completely anachronistic and out of place for all practical purposes in the West - IS a uniform, reminding all that they consider themselves belonging elsewhere and that elsewhere is rooted in Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm: How am I attacking them Brian? By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::)

It hardly matters whether a fundamentalist male in the family, deeply attached to Islam and equally deeply hostile to Western liberties forces them to wear these uniforms or these women themselves have internalised a deep attachment to Islam and a commensurately deep hostility hostile to Western liberties and modes of existence.

The motivating force in either case is the same. The signal and significance of these garments is the same: anti-Western animus and hostility and Islamic virtue signalling.

In broad terms the recognition of this very root cause is behind every legislative curbing of the niqab. It is a sign of hostility towards Western society.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 5:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:27pm: freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm: How am I attacking them Brian? By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) It hardly matters whether a fundamentalist male in the family, deeply attached to Islam and equally deeply hostile to Western liberties forces them to wear these uniforms or these women themselves have internalised a deep attachment to Islam and a commensurately deep hostility hostile to Western liberties and modes of existence. The motivating force in either case is the same. The signal and significance of these garments is the same: anti-Western animus and hostility and Islamic virtue signalling. In broad terms the recognition of this very root cause is behind every legislative curbing of the niqab. It is a sign of hostility towards Western society.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You really have no understanding of feminism and the female mindset, do you, Soren?  Absolutely none at all.  I know so many women, Muslim and otherwise who'd have you for dinner over a comment like that.  You have completely ignored the opinion of the women concerned.  Totally and utterly.  To you, they are inconsequential.   Tsk, tsk.   Such a foolish, foolish man.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6^th, 2018 at 10:07pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::)

Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life.

Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk.

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 5:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk.

So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk. So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Christianity and Judaism are positive. Islam is a negative.

History proves it.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 5:53pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:27pm: freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm: How am I attacking them Brian? By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) It hardly matters whether a fundamentalist male in the family, deeply attached to Islam and equally deeply hostile to Western liberties forces them to wear these uniforms or these women themselves have internalised a deep attachment to Islam and a commensurately deep hostility hostile to Western liberties and modes of existence. The motivating force in either case is the same. The signal and significance of these garments is the same: anti-Western animus and hostility and Islamic virtue signalling. In broad terms the recognition of this very root cause is behind every legislative curbing of the niqab. It is a sign of hostility towards Western society. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You really have no understanding of feminism and the female mindset, do you, Soren?  Absolutely none at all.  I know so many women, Muslim and otherwise who'd have you for dinner over a comment like that.  You have completely ignored the opinion of the women concerned.  Totally and utterly.  To you, they are inconsequential.   Tsk, tsk.   Such a foolish, foolish man.    ::)

What would they say?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 3:50pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 12:33pm: So merely by having a few spineless apologists disagree with what I say, I am denying Muslims the right to Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion? disagreeing with what you say? No FD, thats called lying, remember?

Do you agree with Brian?

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:12pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk. So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Christianity and Judaism are positive. Islam is a negative. History proves it.

Ask it's victims if they believe that, Soren.  You really are a sorry sod, you realise?   I wonder if all the children abused by Christian clergy believe that Christianity is a "positive" thing?  I wonder if all the native peoples believe Christianity is a "positive" thing.   Tsk, tsk, Christianity has killed millions upon millions of innocent people with it's "positivity".    ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 8:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:53pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:42pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:27pm: freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm: How am I attacking them Brian? By claiming that their decision to wear a Burqa is imposed on them without regard to whether it actually is or not.   You are effectively declaring that their opinion is meaningless.  To you, they are being oppressed.  You've never asked a Muslim woman if she feels she is being oppressed.  You've never asked them if someone made them wear a Burqa.   You have absolutely no idea what is going on in the minds of Muslim women.  Tsk, tsk.   ::) ::) It hardly matters whether a fundamentalist male in the family, deeply attached to Islam and equally deeply hostile to Western liberties forces them to wear these uniforms or these women themselves have internalised a deep attachment to Islam and a commensurately deep hostility hostile to Western liberties and modes of existence. The motivating force in either case is the same. The signal and significance of these garments is the same: anti-Western animus and hostility and Islamic virtue signalling. In broad terms the recognition of this very root cause is behind every legislative curbing of the niqab. It is a sign of hostility towards Western society. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  You really have no understanding of feminism and the female mindset, do you, Soren?  Absolutely none at all.  I know so many women, Muslim and otherwise who'd have you for dinner over a comment like that.  You have completely ignored the opinion of the women concerned.  Totally and utterly.  To you, they are inconsequential.   Tsk, tsk.   Such a foolish, foolish man.    ::) What would they say?

That you're a sorry excuse for a human being, Soren.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk. So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Christianty has given positive things to the world. Islam has only brought negatives.

Frank wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 6:04am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:12pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk. So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Christianty has given positive things to the world. Islam has only brought negatives.

In your opinion and well, gosh, we all know how valuable your opinion actually is, don't we, Soren?   I mean, I am sure we could sell some of it as ballast in shipping, it's really that useful.

Soren, all religions have provided positive things.  They have also provided negative things.  In the New World Christianity is believed to have killed over tens of millions of Native Americans under the Spanish Conquistadori.   Judaism has killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in their illegally occupied lands.   Islam has accounted killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions.   They are all guilty of advocating the destruction of non-believers.   Time you recognise that rather than just fearing Islam and Muslims.   

In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.   Most Australian Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated people.   They don't like Terrorism any more than you do.   They report their fellow Muslims who have succumbed to the disease to the Police and ASIO quite regularly.   Time you recognised that and thanked them for being responsible Australians.   Of course, you won't because you're an Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.  Such a silly, scared fellow.     ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:

Soren, all religions have provided positive things.  They have also provided negative things.  In the New World Christianity is believed to have killed over tens of millions of Native Americans under the Spanish Conquistadori.   Judaism has killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in their illegally occupied lands.   Islam has accounted killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions.   They are all guilty of advocating the destruction of non-believers.   Time you recognise that rather than just fearing Islam and Muslims.    In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.   Most Australian Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated people.   They don't like Terrorism any more than you do.   They report their fellow Muslims who have succumbed to the disease to the Police and ASIO quite regularly.   Time you recognised that and thanked them for being responsible Australians.   Of course, you won't because you're an Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.  Such a silly, scared fellow.     ::) ::)

Er.... Bwian!!!. You forgot (didn't you?  :o :o :o) to mention the positive things Islam has brought into the world.  In truth you can't think of any either, like the rest of us but don't have the spine to face it.


Islam has brought nothing new or positive into the world, Bwian. That was said about 800 years ago and has never been refuted or disproved.  Can you do it? No. 


In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to some of the experts, this is probably one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness, a brusqueness that we find unacceptable, on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”[3] The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".[4]
http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg.html

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:

Such a silly, scared fellow.     ::) ::)

Oh, I see. It's now the fault of Harvey Weinstein's victims that they feel scared of him!!!  It's noww the fault of the menaced that they are menaced!!!

Your own idee, Bwian?? Sounds like it, you stupid goose.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 9:37pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::)

I know a seemingly perfectly good man here in Lismore that owns a shop, talked to him a lot. He's a very nice guy but when anything Islam or US comes up in the conversation, he's not so happy. You know, like he is part of this stuff that happens to Muslims in other countries, much like, I suppose Irish in America when the IRA were active.

He owns the angst of stuff that happens in other countries, just because it is happening to Muslims. He doesn't say, thank Allah I'm here and don't have to put up with that crap, he feels invested. I'll say again, he's a really nice guy but he is part of a thought virus. While he's happy to be here and work, have a good place for his daughters(who wear the Hijab) to be brought up, I'm not sure he likes our freedom to be different or to criticise his beliefs.

We are the Borg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 6:04am: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:12pm: Frank wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:55pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:07pm: Frank wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:28pm: We all notice - even you, thicko-- that what you said is in no way a refutation or denial of what I sad: Islam is the enemy of every Western freedom. That these freedoms have other enemues g as no impiirtance as regards the truth of what I said and what is common knowledge. You rally against whatever threat you perceive to Western freedoms. To me, Islam is a big threat so I call it. If you think Buddhists or Sikhs are a big threat, you are free to say that. You will look like the stupid ass you always do but at least it's  your call, once again. You make yourself laughable, nobody else. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like your little child has been let out again, Soren.  Out with the ad hominem argument rather than making any real sense.   Look, you run along back to the playground.  I'm sure your Islamophobic friends will appreciate your efforts.  Tsk, tsk, it really is quite pointless it seems though, to me.  [highlight]You hate Islam because you fear Muslims.[/highlight]  You are an Islamophobe.  Run along go and play with your friends.   ::) Looking at history, being afraid of Islam and hating everything it wants to impose on everyone is the ONLY sane and ethical stance. I can't think of a single positive thing that Islam could ever bring to my life. Can you, great she-ass??  Would Islam improve your life??  ::) ::) tsk, tsk. So, you're not concerned about Christianity's imposition of what it believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  You're not concerned about what Judaism believes and what it does on others, are you, Soren?  To you, it is all about your fear and your consequent hated of Islam and Muslims.   Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.   ::) Christianty has given positive things to the world. Islam has only brought negatives. In your opinion and well, gosh, we all know how valuable your opinion actually is, don't we, Soren?   I mean, I am sure we could sell some of it as ballast in shipping, it's really that useful. Soren, all religions have provided positive things.  They have also provided negative things.  In the New World Christianity is believed to have killed over tens of millions of Native Americans under the Spanish Conquistadori.   Judaism has killed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in their illegally occupied lands.   Islam has accounted killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions.   They are all guilty of advocating the destruction of non-believers.   Time you recognise that rather than just fearing Islam and Muslims.    In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.   Most Australian Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated people.   They don't like Terrorism any more than you do.   They report their fellow Muslims who have succumbed to the disease to the Police and ASIO quite regularly.   Time you recognised that and thanked them for being responsible Australians.   Of course, you won't because you're an Islamophobe.   Tsk, tsk.  Such a silly, scared fellow.     ::) ::)

Christian Europe was the incubator of the modern movement to freedom and democracy that is sweeping the world.

Islam on the other hand pretty much destroyed western civilisation. It probably set back the course of human development by about 500 to 1000 years. What had been the centre of western civilisation and the most advanced civilisation on earth for 10000 years is now one of the most backwards places on earth, thanks to Islam.

Brian do you blame Christianity for old world diseases?

Setanta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 11:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:37pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::) I know a seemingly perfectly good man here in Lismore that owns a shop, talked to him a lot. He's a very nice guy but when anything Islam or US comes up in the conversation, he's not so happy. You know, like he is part of this stuff that happens to Muslims in other countries, much like, I suppose Irish in America when the IRA were active. He owns the angst of stuff that happens in other countries, just because it is happening to Muslims. He doesn't say, thank Allah I'm here and don't have to put up with that crap, he feels invested. I'll say again, he's a really nice guy but he is part of a thought virus. While he's happy to be here and work, have a good place for his daughters(who wear the Hijab) to be brought up, I'm not sure he likes our freedom to be different or to criticise his beliefs.

He sounds little different to the thousands and thousands of Greeks, Serbs, Croats, Italians, Irish, Spanish, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Lao, etc. people who have also settled here.    It is what their children and grand-children think that is important, far more important than what the parents believe.

Many migrants are conservative in their outlook, bringing with them the attitudes of their homelands and trying to teach their kids the same attitudes.  Problem is, their kids are influenced by the new land's thinking.  Their grand-kids even worse.   I have heard numerous stories of how migrant parents would send their kids "home" to the "old country" so they could understand the true Greek/Serb/Croat/Italian/Irish/etc. way of thinking.  Problem is, that their old countries have changed, they have progressed in their absence, with the result that instead of discovering a prison, their kids discover a wonderland, where often the mores are more liberal than back in Oz.

Muslims are the same.   Their old countries are presently in turmoil, that will, in due time, settle down.   They will progress.   The Muslim kids attitudes will have changed.   The world turns and moves forward, despite what the Conservatives might desire.

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In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.   Most Australian Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated people.   They don't like Terrorism any more than you do.

I'm sure the mothers of the innocent babies and small children slaughtered by the highest grade of muslims (according to the qur'an) will be just so happy to know this. 


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They report their fellow Muslims who have succumbed to the disease to the Police and ASIO quite regularly.

1400 years of islam and we have the cultists killing each other and regularly reporting each other to the authorities (e.g.:in muslim countries they have religious police who the islamists renounce the hypocrites to and in non muslim countries they have pretender muslims dobbing in the true blue muslims to the anti terror authorities)


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The world turns and moves forward, despite what the Conservatives might desire.

islam being the worst offender, all muslims are bound by 7th century verses in the qur'an, they are forbidden to question, so they resist change with every fibre in their body, to change the perversion in the qur'an means that islam would implode, so the bloodshed flourishes while muslims and their apologists slither and slide around, always trying to find some excuse for islamic depravity.   

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In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.    Most Australian Muslims are peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated people.    They don't like Terrorism any more than you do.

Correct.

Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough.
In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole.
But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end.

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In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.

Oh, has it? Not the Religion of Peace any longer? Change of policy?  What happened to the recent fervently held truth of 'terrorists have nuffin' to do wiv islam' and 'jihad is spiritual striving'?

We a have a new current truth, do we, conceding what all the 'Islamophobes' have been saying for 1400 years, viz. that jihad is violent Islamic war  on the infidel, wherever he or she may be found, including in countries giving refuge to Muslim 'refugees' such as Oz?

That is a quite a climb down - or just an inadvertent slip of the memory kind of  admission of the complete lie that you stupid blighters have been trying to peddle.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

Muslims are the same.   Their old countries are presently in turmoil, that will, in due time, settle down.   They will progress.   The Muslim kids attitudes will have changed.   The world turns and moves forward, despite what the Conservatives might desire.

The world is turning backwards in Islamic countries. They call it revival. Improvements occur only when Islam is beaten back.


1400 years of history doesn't support ANY of your pseudo-hopeful blatherings, Bwian.  It is NOT in Islam to turn sensible and reasonable. Absolutely nothing it it points that way. Nothing. It is the creed of over-excited, spicy,  hot-headed  stupidity and violence.

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8^th, 2018 at 9:37pm:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::)

I am an ordinary, everyday, moderate citizen who live here, discusses my ideas openly with you. Accept my opinions as being truthful. Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your blind Islamophile nonsense and your Racist and Xenophile crap.  Such a silly person.   ::) ::)

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 4:27pm:

Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:28pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::)

What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz?

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 5:25pm:

Quote: In Australia, Islam has been responsible for a handful of deaths.    Oh, has it? Not the Religion of Peace any longer? Change of policy?  What happened to the recent fervently held truth of 'terrorists have nuffin' to do wiv islam' and 'jihad is spiritual striving'?

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Erecting a strawman argument, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Did you enjoy Food Safari last night?  All that scrumptious Danish food.   Must have brought memories of home, hey?   ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:37pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::) I am an ordinary, everyday, moderate citizen who live here, discusses my ideas openly with you. Accept my opinions as being truthful. Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your blind Islamophile nonsense and your Racist and Xenophile crap.  Such a silly person.   ::) ::)

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, I do accept that your opinions are truthful, they tell us of your suffering from Islamophobia, Soren.  Until you admit you have a disease, you'll never overcome it.  Embrace your fellow Australian Muslims!  Accept them as Australian!   We can help you, if you want help...   ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz?

The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:37pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::)

Not Muslims, ass - Islam.

What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia?

We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam.

Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you.


Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness.i

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 9:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::) Not Muslims, ass - Islam. What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia? We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam. Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you. Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Your inner child is showing again, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, time for you to go back to the little kids' playground where they play to little kids' rules.   Once you've matured a bit more, you might be able to play with the big kids again.     ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 10:37pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::) Not Muslims, ass - Islam. What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia? We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam. Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you. Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Your inner child is showing again, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, time for you to go back to the little kids' playground where they play to little kids' rules.   Once you've matured a bit more, you might be able to play with the big kids again.     ::)

It's true, though, that's  why it hurts you. You either stupidly or deliberately conflate Muslims and Islam when you are asked specifically about one or the other. Yet you are very keen to point out the difference when it is irrelevant, for example when the purely Islamic motivations of Muslim terrorists are discussed. Then the two couldn't  be more unrelated, you would propose.

Spineless and silly are correct.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 6:34pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:37pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::) I am an ordinary, everyday, moderate citizen who live here, discusses my ideas openly with you. Accept my opinions as being truthful. Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your blind Islamophile nonsense and your Racist and Xenophile crap.  Such a silly person.   ::) ::) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, I do accept that your opinions are truthful, they tell us of your suffering from Islamophobia, Soren.  Until you admit you have a disease, you'll never overcome it.  Embrace your fellow Australian Muslims!  Accept them as Australian!   We can help you, if you want help...   ::) ::)

And muslims suffer from kuffarphobia.

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 5:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:14pm: Muslims are the same.   Their old countries are presently in turmoil, that will, in due time, settle down.   They will progress.   The Muslim kids attitudes will have changed.   The world turns and moves forward, despite what the Conservatives might desire. The world is turning backwards in Islamic countries. They call it revival. Improvements occur only when Islam is beaten back. 1400 years of history doesn't support ANY of your pseudo-hopeful blatherings, Bwian.  It is NOT in Islam to turn sensible and reasonable. Absolutely nothing it it points that way. Nothing. It is the creed of over-excited, spicy,  hot-headed  stupidity and violence. https://i.imgflip.com/1joccf.jpg

Who is responsible for bringing them here?


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Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2018 at 11:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::) Not Muslims, ass - Islam. What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia? We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam. Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you. Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Your inner child is showing again, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, time for you to go back to the little kids' playground where they play to little kids' rules.   Once you've matured a bit more, you might be able to play with the big kids again.     ::) It's true, though, that's  why it hurts you. You either stupidly or deliberately conflate Muslims and Islam when you are asked specifically about one or the other. Yet you are very keen to point out the difference when it is irrelevant, for example when the purely Islamic motivations of Muslim terrorists are discussed. Then the two couldn't  be more unrelated, you would propose. Spineless and silly are correct.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Still letting your inner child out of the little kiddies' playground, hey?  Put it back there, where it can be a little kiddie, Soren.  Out here, the big kids like to play.  Some adults are here as well.  You're definitely not either.   We don't want to attract the paedophiles!   Tsk, tsk, run along, Soren.  Run along.    ::) ::)

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:34pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:07pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 9:37pm: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Poor, poor, Soren.  Tsk, tsk.  You really do need help with your Islamophobia.  Until you admit that you have a problem, you'll get no where with it.   You need to meet some Australian Muslims - the ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims whom live here, discuss their religion openly with them and accept their opinions as being truthful.   Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your Islamophobic hatred and your Racist and Xenophobia.   Such a silly person.   ::) ::) I am an ordinary, everyday, moderate citizen who live here, discusses my ideas openly with you. Accept my opinions as being truthful. Until you do, you'll get no where, except to continue to spout your blind Islamophile nonsense and your Racist and Xenophile crap.  Such a silly person.   ::) ::) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Oh, I do accept that your opinions are truthful, they tell us of your suffering from Islamophobia, Soren.  Until you admit you have a disease, you'll never overcome it.  Embrace your fellow Australian Muslims!  Accept them as Australian!   We can help you, if you want help...   ::) ::) And muslims suffer from kuffarphobia.

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Oh. dearie. dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Soren.  None of the Muslims I know suffer from that disease.  You however, are well known as a sufferer from Islamophobia.  You fear and hate all Muslims and Islam, all without reason.  Run along back to the little kids' playground, you'll be safe there.   There are grownups to look after you.    ::) ::)

Brian - stop writing  Tsk, tsk, on every post -

doesn't your vocabulary allow for some other word?

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:

Brian - stop writing  Tsk, tsk, on every post - doesn't your vocabulary allow for some other word?

Bobby, it expresses exactly what I feel about the childish nature of the posts I am answering.  Indeed, just like yours.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9^th, 2018 at 10:37pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::) Not Muslims, ass - Islam. What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia? We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam. Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you. Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Your inner child is showing again, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, time for you to go back to the little kids' playground where they play to little kids' rules.   Once you've matured a bit more, you might be able to play with the big kids again.     ::)

Nothing childish in calling out your spineless stupidity, bwian.
How is Islam  - NOT Muslims  - different in France and Australia?

And dont say you dont know because you have never been to France and don't  now much about Islam.

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2018 at 4:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 10:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 9:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:37pm: Frank wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:29pm: Brian Ross wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:28pm: bogarde73 wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 4:27pm: Not true Brian. I don't think you read widely enough. In places like France, excluding the violence coming in with the tidal wave of economic migrants, it is the 2nd & 3rd generation Muslims who are the radicals. The original migrants from the colonies like Algeria &.Morocco are integrated on the whole. But then they knew they.were a.minority. They didn't have imams telling them they would dominate in the end. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  France is not Australia, the last time I checked my atlas.  Not sure what you're thinking about?    ::) What's the difference between Islam in France and Islam in Oz? The source of the Muslims?  The way in which, until the last 15 years, Muslims have been treated downunder as against how they have been treated in France?   The willingness of Muslims downunder to change?   Factors which you ignore in your Borg-like views of Muslims.  To your Islamophobia, they are all staring, raving, bearded Terrorists.   What a shame your fevered brain deceives you!   ::) ::) ::) Not Muslims, ass - Islam. What's the difference between Islam in France and Australia? We know you are thick and helpless but even you must begin to perceive the difference between a question about Muslims and a question about Islam. Otherwise you should hand back your Doctorate and admit that you are sub-normal. The only honest option for you. Or ongoing admission to your long-standing policy of utter dishonesty and spinelessness. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Your inner child is showing again, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, time for you to go back to the little kids' playground where they play to little kids' rules.   Once you've matured a bit more, you might be able to play with the big kids again.     ::) Nothing childish in calling out your spineless stupidity, bwian. How is Islam  - NOT Muslims  - different in France and Australia? And dont say you dont know because you have never been to France and don't  now much about Islam.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.    ::)