20% accuracy apparently

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/nsw-police-banning-entry-if-sniffer-dog-sits-down-near-punter/9840892

Spot

We have them up here too, have for a while now. My guess is that it gives the cops probable cause to search. Funnily enough the dogs go crazy in the back of the wagon when they pass the soup kitchen.

Oh well. When you have scared little people begging for more police power then this is the end result.
Police aee turning into a pox on society. Way to much power and no accountability.

I asked a policeman with a dog in Fortitude Valley train station one night whether they get the dogs addicted to drugs to encourage them to sniff them out. He denied this allegation. He also denied it was a drug dog. I think it was more of a biting hippies dog. For some reason the dog started barking at me. A loud bark is pretty intimidating in a small space, but the animal was calm and completely under control. They have them well trained. Not sure if they have a way of signalling to the dog what to do. I didn't notice anything.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 8^th, 2018 at 4:19pm:

20% accuracy apparently http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/nsw-police-banning-entry-if-sniffer-dog-sits-down-near-punter/9840892 Spot

Nonsense, drug detection dogs have something like a 70/85% detection rate. Now if your saying not everybody where there is an indication has drugs on them, that is quite correct, however in 80% of cases where the dog indicates the subject has either residue or if there are no drugs found, they get the scent of drugs which were present maybe a week ago. And if the dog indicates wrongly, its is due to poor training, not unreliability.

What if you have recently shaken hands with someone who has been handling pot?

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

What if you have recently shaken hands with someone who has been handling pot?

Again, that could produce what is termed as a false positive.......If the dog indicates.

What about money in your wallet? Could that produce a false positive?

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

What if you have recently shaken hands with someone who has been handling pot?

better safe than sorry 

I set alarms off at airports   every time... and go through the same thing....guilty until proven innocent...

I dont mind    it makes the place safer.. same with drugs....we need more dogs....they are quite incredible.......

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 8:59am:

What about money in your wallet? Could that produce a false positive?

if the dog was trained to smell cash   I am sure it would..if you had a huge amount in your wallet.....

were not all like you fd! :)

Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy.

I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts.

Gordon wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:27am:

Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy. I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts.

did you happen to see that doco on Portugal  how they decriminalised  drugs about 20 years ago....they still have a lot of drug addicts though...so not sure what they call success    as instead of going after the druggie   its only the pushers they arrest.......

I thi nk fewer deaths   is the main thing   but seeing the addicts getting their methadone    they still looked like drug addicts....sad..

Gordon wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:27am:

Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy. I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts.

The article in the OP was about people being turned away from a concert, even if they had purchased tickets.

Currency detection is usually when dogs are trained to specifically detect currency, these are used at airports and when they are used on drug raids, and may be dual purpose trained drugs and currency. These dogs are usually high energy animals such as Springer Spaniels. Dogs at train stations are usually Labradors (which are a slower drive dog) which are less alarming to the public.

General Purpose Police Dogs are GSDs or Malinois (which is a more recent breed on the scene). These are trained to track, search, and apprehend (Bite).

freediver wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:48am:

Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:27am: Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy. I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts. The article in the OP was about people being turned away from a concert, even if they had purchased tickets.

shite happens...... choose your friends carefully ;)

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:52am:

Currency detection is usually when dogs are trained to specifically detect currency, these are used at airports and when they are used on drug raids, and may be dual purpose trained drugs and currency. These dogs are usually high energy animals such as Springer Spaniels. Dogs at train stations are usually Labradors (which are a slower drive dog) which are less alarming to the public.

I assumed FD was talking about currency which has been in contact with a prescribed substance.

Gordon wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:55am:

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:52am: Currency detection is usually when dogs are trained to specifically detect currency, these are used at airports and when they are used on drug raids, and may be dual purpose trained drugs and currency. These dogs are usually high energy animals such as Springer Spaniels. Dogs at train stations are usually Labradors (which are a slower drive dog) which are less alarming to the public. I assumed FD was talking about currency which has been in contact with a prescribed substance.

Yes, that's why they indicate on paper currency.

However, some are trained specifically on currency without being in contact with drugs..........the material used, and ink used gives off a specific scent........which the dogs are trained on.

cods wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 11:44am:

Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:27am: Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy. I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts. did you happen to see that doco on Portugal  how they decriminalised  drugs about 20 years ago....they still have a lot of drug addicts though...so not sure what they call success    as instead of going after the druggie   its only the pushers they arrest....... I thi nk fewer deaths   is the main thing   but seeing the addicts getting their methadone    they still looked like drug addicts....sad..

Hi Cods, Portugal decriminalised in 2001. They have the lowest drug related overdose deaths of any European country bar Romania. Rates of HIV have also significantly reduced along with drug related crime. No one expected it to be a magic bullet but as far as harm minimisation goes its been a success. US states which have legalised marijuana are also experiencing lower drug deaths and lower crime rates.

rhino wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 1:11pm:

cods wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:44am: Gordon wrote on Jun 10th, 2018 at 11:27am: Most people who get a false positive are inconvenienced for about 5 minutes and as a bonus, get a chat with a friendly policeman and get to see a cute doggy. I reckon tho, rather than only picking on young kids at concerts and nightclubs, they should have a walk around Martin Place at lunch time and watch all the cocaine busts. did you happen to see that doco on Portugal  how they decriminalised  drugs about 20 years ago....they still have a lot of drug addicts though...so not sure what they call success    as instead of going after the druggie   its only the pushers they arrest....... I thi nk fewer deaths   is the main thing   but seeing the addicts getting their methadone    they still looked like drug addicts....sad.. Hi Cods, Portugal decriminalised in 2001. They have the lowest drug related overdose deaths of any European country bar Romania. Rates of HIV have also significantly reduced along with drug related crime. No one expected it to be a magic bullet but as far as harm minimisation goes its been a success. US states which have legalised marijuana are also experiencing lower drug deaths and lower crime rates.

thanks rhino  did you see it.. most interesting.... BUT..

they still have a drug problem  this is what I dont understand....DEATHS of course they would drop.. and having free methadone dropins it stands to reason.. but if you saw the show you would have seen the women speaking about how she would be dead ... but to look at her.. her lifestyle is no better   at least I didnt think so..

sometimes these thing play out to statistics which makes the govt look good makes them look as if they are doing something...

if they ar estill catching drug dealers then they still have a drug problem... ::) ::)

well thatss how i see it...

I didnt see where they claimed those needing methadone was dropping;.....and I would think that also had a point?....

of course they are still catching drug dealers, drugs are still illegal therefore there is still an illicit market. They should have legalised, not decriminalised, then they would have seen a  huge drop in crime,  addictions and deaths. However the  big drop in drug related OD deaths , HIV and crime related to  decriminalisation shows that it works, and they are doing a lot better than Australia with its hard line enforcement which is causing increased drug deaths and crime.
Would we need sniffer dogs if everyone who took a substance knew exactly what was in it?

That's all we need

Packs of out of their mind legal ice addicts wreaking havoc.

What next?

Gay marriage?
Good GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

According to Valkie theres a direct link between gay marriage and drug legalisation. I think this says it all about his sub par simplistic reasoning. 200 years ago he would have been at the forefront of claiming crop failure on witches.

rhino wrote on Jun 10^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

According to Valkie theres a direct link between gay marriage and drug legalisation. I think this says it all about his sub par simplistic reasoning. 200 years ago he would have been at the forefront of claiming crop failure on witches.

According to the big dum horned animal.
The whole world consists of his four walls and his tiny collection of synapses

Party Drugs are for losers.
If you are so pathetic, so incapable, so useless that you need illegal drugs to make your life livable.
You simply do not deserve to live.

Why do we even bother.
Let the fools take them to their hearts content.
Let them overdose and refuse treatment.
They are less than worthless

Just like gay marriage.
Let them breed, if they can, they will simply die out in one generation.

Losers all of them.

if Valkies 2 brain cells which are whizzing about in orbit inside his largely empty head ever collide we may achieve fission, and as a  result a cogent thought from him. 

What about money in your wallet? Could that produce a false positive?


Depending on what you do with that cash,,, you may get a false positive.

In the US most if not all paper currency in contaminated with drugs. Australian currency probably wouldn't produce the same levels.........unless of course you're a member of the 'Commancheros' or other such gang.

Dogs have many millions more olfactory glands in their nose than humans and can indicate on drugs wrapped many times in plastic and coated in coffee grounds.....or other such material to try to mask the scent of the drugs........