Everytime I buy stuff off ebay no matter how little the value is I am reminded of Gerry Harvey and all of the liberal deadbeats that implemented his policy for him :(

Just one of the many reasons never to vote for the conservatives :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:17am:

Everytime I buy stuff off ebay no matter how little the value is I am reminded of Gerry Harvey and all of the liberal deadbeats that implemented his policy for him :( Just one of the many reasons never to vote for the conservatives :(

I won't be voting for them, never fear

I'll be voting for the Sustainable Australia party

and it doesn't matter how inexperienced they might be to start with

because they could never hope to stuff things up as badly as LNP and Labor have, repeatedly

in their Passing the Parcel elections

I mean the definition of stupidity is 'doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result'

so are Aussie voters going to confirm their stupidity yet again come elections?

Sounds like a good idea ;)

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:17am:

Everytime I buy stuff off ebay no matter how little the value is I am reminded of Gerry Harvey and all of the liberal deadbeats that implemented his policy for him :( Just one of the many reasons never to vote for the conservatives :(

I even have to pay GST for online subscriptions for software.

Yeah, I just looked at renewing my Norton Anti-virus subscription and there is now a GST component on that.

Blimey.

How annoying.

I thought the GST was supposed to be a tax for goods and services within Australia ... not imposed on stuff from overseas.

I hate it.  >:(

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Yeah, I just looked at renewing my Norton Anti-virus subscription and there is now a GST component on that. Blimey. How annoying. I thought the GST was supposed to be a tax for goods and services within Australia ... not imposed on stuff from overseas. I hate it.  >:(

Yes - I got wacked on both my Norton subscription &
my Microsoft Office subscription.
The Govt. must be rich -
they are certainly clever to be able to get foreign companies to be tax men for them.
It should be no one's business if I have software from overseas.

Why don't those foreign companies just tell the Australian Govt. to go to hell?

I've ordered a knife sharpener from Czech Republic and they didn't collect GST so I'm wondering what will happen when it lands here

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Yeah, I just looked at renewing my Norton Anti-virus subscription and there is now a GST component on that. Blimey. How annoying. I thought the GST was supposed to be a tax for goods and services within Australia ... not imposed on stuff from overseas. I hate it.  >:(

That's what I thought too. Now when I am buying 2nd hand goods from the US on ebay and the price is ok until you go to the checkout and old Gerry is there with his hand out collecting 10% on behalf of the liberal party :( Most annoying :(

Its time wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:48am:

I've ordered a knife sharpener from Czech Republic and they didn't collect GST so I'm wondering what will happen when it lands here

Good question. Interesting to see what happens. They seem to rely on the seller to collect the GST for them. So far they have done a back door deal with ebay and would you believe it Aliexpress of all places !!

And also they include the postage when they calculate the import charges !! What a scam :(

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:52am:

Its time wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:48am: I've ordered a knife sharpener from Czech Republic and they didn't collect GST so I'm wondering what will happen when it lands here Good question. Interesting to see what happens. They seem to rely on the seller to collect the GST for them. So far they have done a back door deal with ebay and would you believe it Aliexpress of all places !!

How does the Govt. do it?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:53am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:52am: Its time wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:48am: I've ordered a knife sharpener from Czech Republic and they didn't collect GST so I'm wondering what will happen when it lands here Good question. Interesting to see what happens. They seem to rely on the seller to collect the GST for them. So far they have done a back door deal with ebay and would you believe it Aliexpress of all places !! How does the Govt. do it?

Only the US companies they have some leverage over. Remember that Alibaba is listed on the US stock exchange otherwise I can't see an exclusively owned chinese business collecting any tax for them.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU *****S YOU WANT WHAT THS GST GIVES YOU BUT YOU WON'T PAY IT  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

FRED. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:57am:

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU *****S YOU WANT WHAT THS GST GIVES YOU BUT YOU WON'T PAY IT  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Not on 2nd hand foreign goods. fickoff mate :(

If you are hard up for tax get your light shoe brigade with their dozen investment properties to start paying their fair share of taxes. There's at least 9 bill a year foregone in tax revenue because of these property hoarders here. Stop protecting these parasites and layabouts.

Fred, Fred, Fred ... If I could buy a Norton Anti-virus software package that was made in Australia, I would.

Thing is ... I can't. Why the hell should I pay a foreign company an extra 10% ?

How do I know that will benefit Australia?

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

Fred, Fred, Fred ... If I could buy a Norton Anti-virus software package that was made in Australia, I would. Thing is ... I can't. Why the hell should I pay a foreign company an extra 10% ? How do I know that will benefit Australia?

nimo nimo nimo it goes to the states  for bugger sake ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   like viC sa wa nsw qld nt tas noT the  USA :D :D

FRED. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:08pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:00pm: Fred, Fred, Fred ... If I could buy a Norton Anti-virus software package that was made in Australia, I would. Thing is ... I can't. Why the hell should I pay a foreign company an extra 10% ? How do I know that will benefit Australia? nimo nimo nimo it goes to the states  for bugger sake ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   like viC sa wa nsw qld nt tas noT the  USA :D :D

How do you know that those foreign companies are going to forward the 10% GST they tack onto the price to the Australian Government to in-turn pay the States?

How is it being policed?

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:18pm:

FRED. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:08pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:00pm: Fred, Fred, Fred ... If I could buy a Norton Anti-virus software package that was made in Australia, I would. Thing is ... I can't. Why the hell should I pay a foreign company an extra 10% ? How do I know that will benefit Australia? nimo nimo nimo it goes to the states  for bugger sake ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   like viC sa wa nsw qld nt tas noT the  USA :D :D How do you know that those foreign companies are going to forward the 10% GST they tack onto the price to the Australian Government to in-turn pay the States? How is it being policed?

through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

"through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

How do you know that a company in a foreign country has anything to do with the Australian Taxation Office?

They could just pocket the 10% and go on their merry way.

The Australian Taxation Office has no idea that I might be renewing my Norton Anti-Virus software on-line.

[quote author=madmonk link=1539479859/17#17 date=1539484381]"through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

How do you know that a company in a foreign country has anything to do with the Australian Taxation Office?

They could just pocket the 10% and go on their merry way.

The Australian Taxation Office has no idea that I might be renewing my Norton Anti-Virus software on-line.

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OMG  its collect at point of sale like  every thing 

Collect at point?

On a foreign transaction?

Are you sure?

p.s.

For example ... Norton is a US company but it runs out of Ireland for online sales.

Why would a company based in Ireland have to report anything to the Australian Taxation office?

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:33pm:

"through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" How do you know that a company in a foreign country has anything to do with the Australian Taxation Office? They could just pocket the 10% and go on their merry way. The Australian Taxation Office has no idea that I might be renewing my Norton Anti-Virus software on-line.

I don't know how the Australian Govt. managed to
pressure Norton into that.
I'd love to know what the threat was?

I suspect that the Australian government doesn't actually care if it gets the 10% at all ... so long as they have imposed an equivalent cost on the person buying the goods, they reckon they have done their bit to help Aussie companies ... trouble is, I can't buy an Australian made Norton Anti-virus service made in Australia.

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

Collect at point? On a foreign transaction? Are you sure? p.s. For example ... Norton is a US company but it runs out of Ireland for online sales. Why would a company based in Ireland have to report anything to the Australian Taxation office?

ASK YOUR MUM!

Mum says: those companies are laughing at the Australian Government.  ;)

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:49pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:33pm: "through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" How do you know that a company in a foreign country has anything to do with the Australian Taxation Office? They could just pocket the 10% and go on their merry way. The Australian Taxation Office has no idea that I might be renewing my Norton Anti-Virus software on-line. I don't know how the Australian Govt. managed to pressure Norton into that. I'd love to know what the threat was?

DO BUSINESS IN AUSTRALIA PAYTAX IN AUSTRALIA   OMFG

FRED. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:08pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:00pm: Fred, Fred, Fred ... If I could buy a Norton Anti-virus software package that was made in Australia, I would. Thing is ... I can't. Why the hell should I pay a foreign company an extra 10% ? How do I know that will benefit Australia? nimo nimo nimo it goes to the states  for bugger sake ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   like viC sa wa nsw qld nt tas noT the  USA :D :D

which states ?? :D LOL

gee. So much angst.

I remember on this forum people wanting GST imposed on those small imports, so the local sellers could compete.

And poor Capt Nemo didn't know GST was charged on all imports, previously only over $1000. Charged at point of entry generally. That is Customs & Excise.

Where they come in directly, from China for instance, but sold on ebay - ebay does the collection. A cost of doing business. The same as any importer.

FRED. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 12:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:49pm: Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 12:33pm: "through the TAXATION DEPT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" How do you know that a company in a foreign country has anything to do with the Australian Taxation Office? They could just pocket the 10% and go on their merry way. The Australian Taxation Office has no idea that I might be renewing my Norton Anti-Virus software on-line. I don't know how the Australian Govt. managed to pressure Norton into that. I'd love to know what the threat was? DO BUSINESS IN AUSTRALIA PAYTAX IN AUSTRALIA   OMFG

What if Norton said - sorry we don't collect tax for the Australian Govt?

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

gee. So much angst. I remember on this forum people wanting GST imposed on those small imports, so the local sellers could compete. And poor Capt Nemo didn't know GST was charged on all imports, previously only over $1000. Charged at point of entry generally. That is Customs & Excise. Where they come in directly, from China for instance, but sold on ebay - ebay does the collection. A cost of doing business. The same as any importer.

Lee, I'm talking abot a purely electronic transaction. It's online payment for an online non-tangible product. It's software online, not even a package or DVD ...

It's ridiculous that I have to pay 10% more to a company based in Ireland for something that I can't buy an Australian made version of anyway.

Tangible goods? Maybe an argument for that. But software?

Really?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:02pm:

What if Norton said - sorry we don't collect tax for the Australian Govt?

I love "What ifs".

What if the Australian Government told Norton their goods were banned in Australia?

Of course you could fly overseas, buy it there and come back. Don't declare anything.

Singapore has a GST. I guess you need to to somewhere else. It used to be Sim Lim Square was the hub of pirate software. You might get a cut rate there. Along with a few nasty surprises.

I don't like paying 10% extra for no benefit.

A "smear of magnetism" moves "money" from my bank account's "smear of magnetism" to a company in Ireland's bank account's "smear of magnetism".

In return, I receive a copy of a "smear of magnetism" to my laptop's hard drive in the form of a "smear of magnetism".

Why does the Australian Taxation office have to get involved at all?  ;D

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

I don't like paying 10% extra for no benefit. A "smear of magnetism" moves "money" from my bank account's "smear of magnetism" to a company in Ireland's bank account's "smear of magnetism". In return, I receive a copy of a "smear of magnetism" to my laptop's hard drive in the form of a "smear of magnetism". Why does the Australian Taxation office have to get involved at all?  ;D

because they are thieves :(

Yep. Reckon they are.

1) Throw this Liberal government out ASAP.

2) Never deal with Harvey Norman and such again.

....so Labor's platform is dropping all taxes.....cool

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 1:02pm: What if Norton said - sorry we don't collect tax for the Australian Govt? I love "What ifs". What if the Australian Government told Norton their goods were banned in Australia? Of course you could fly overseas, buy it there and come back. Don't declare anything. Singapore has a GST. I guess you need to to somewhere else. It used to be Sim Lim Square was the hub of pirate software. You might get a cut rate there. Along with a few nasty surprises.

How could the Australian Govt. ban Norton products in Australia?

I'm curious.

Swagman wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

....so Labor's platform is dropping all taxes.....cool

Oh my no!

Little Billy is going to raise taxes.

For example, removing from 850,000 retirees their franked dividend tax return - equals on average $5,000 per year each.

Ouch!


In some cases that works out to be about 30% of the retiree's income.  :o

......mind you, the GST is not as discriminating as progressive income tax. 

Progressive income tax is a much more accurate representation of theft. :(

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:31pm:

1) Throw this Liberal government out ASAP. 2) Never deal with Harvey Norman and such again.

his shops are very poorly stocked and he always wants to flog expensive stuff. Try buying a 10 buck fan from old Harvey. That dude is so arrogant he wouldn't sell anything as cheap as a 10 buck fan :(

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:38pm:

How could the Australian Govt. ban Norton products in Australia?

How does the government ban dangerous goods? it has a list of banned imports.

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

Why does the Australian Taxation office have to get involved at all?

yay. Way to go. Then the GST would be spent where it was raised.

Damn. That puts the takers of more GST than they collect in a hole.

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

How does the government ban dangerous goods? it has a list of banned imports.

Yeah, but Norton is just a "smear of magnetism", not an actual tangible object.

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 1:38pm: How could the Australian Govt. ban Norton products in Australia? How does the government ban dangerous goods? it has a list of banned imports.

It stops them at the border.
With the internet, there are no borders.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

With the internet, there are no borders.

Except when they come through the post. perhaps they shouldn't have their name on the packaging.

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:16pm: With the internet, there are no borders. Except when they come through the post. perhaps they shouldn't have their name on the packaging.

No - you pay by credit card or maybe PayPal & you download it
& then receive a license key number via email.
Unless our Govt. has a way to block Norton
by leaning on the internet providers I don't see how they could stop it.

Zackery ... Extremely difficult to ban an online transaction.

In fact, you know the crackdown on the so-called "torrent sites"?

Well ... I have it on good authority that one can still access "torrent sites" despite the government crackdown. ... if one knows where to look ... At least - so I'm told.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:27pm:

Unless our Govt. has a way to block Norton by leaning on the internet providers I don't see how they could stop it.

You mean like the way they stopped the pirate book sites? Gave 'em a list and said they were banned.

has shortarse promise to take the GST off internet foreign imported goods then???>.... ::) ::) ::)

it will probably be on his next list of pressy hand outs... :)

that should stop rusty complaining about paying any taxes....he cant stand doing that... :)

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:27pm: Unless our Govt. has a way to block Norton by leaning on the internet providers I don't see how they could stop it. You mean like the way they stopped the pirate book sites? Gave 'em a list and said they were banned.

Maybe - I'd like to know how Norton & Microsoft were threatened?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:33pm:

Maybe - I'd like to know how Norton & Microsoft were threatened?

You mean like when they transferred their profits offshore?

lee wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:33pm: Maybe - I'd like to know how Norton & Microsoft were threatened? You mean like when they transferred their profits offshore?

That too.

"Microsoft makes major settlement with Australian Taxation Office"

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/microsoft-makes-major-settlement-with-australian-taxation-office/news-story/d52e5f6885b60830d128d79654d9db0f

It seems Norton may actually pay tax in Australia.

Does the email come from Australia or elsewhere?

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 2:16pm:

lee wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 1:38pm: How could the Australian Govt. ban Norton products in Australia? How does the government ban dangerous goods? it has a list of banned imports. It stops them at the border. With the internet, there are no borders.

Great Firewall of China.

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 11:43am:

Yeah, I just looked at renewing my Norton Anti-virus subscription and there is now a GST component on that. Blimey. How annoying. I thought the GST was supposed to be a tax for goods and services within Australia ... not imposed on stuff from overseas. I hate it.  >:(

Apparently, in the case of eBay Australia at least, it's only on the "service" component of the GST. That keeps it within Australia

I've practically stopped buying overseas, which is what the Govt wanted, but the Aussie dollar is low due to the Govt's mismanagement of the economy ... so both ways, the GST and the low dollar are stopping me

The second hand items I was buying can't be purchased in Australia, and they added in a small way to the national GDP

Yeah, not buying from Harvey Norman either

 

Bam wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 10:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:16pm: lee wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 2:11pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 1:38pm: How could the Australian Govt. ban Norton products in Australia? How does the government ban dangerous goods? it has a list of banned imports. It stops them at the border. With the internet, there are no borders. Great Firewall of China.

It looks like our Govt. has threatened to make internet providers block certain sites -
just like in China.