Burmese

Phillipno

European

Sicilian

Etc


Real "martial" arts that have a complete history that most never know exist because ninjas, kung fu and samurai which are mostly hype and have achieved little except made it to Hollywood.

Add to list...

I love traditional karate-do, Shotokan style.

Works every part of your body, it can be many things, like a life style, an art and a very effective self defence tool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gS_chI3X3Y

Ajax wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:01pm:

I love traditional karate-do, Shotokan style. Works every part of your body, it can be many things, like a life style, an art and a very effective self defence tool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gS_chI3X3Y

Only those who are not martial artists believe it is all hype.

I am a black belt only Shodan,  I never went further for several reasons.
I fought competitively for 6 years and loved the competition.

But we also trained in what was termed street fighting.
Very different to the controlled martial arts we did.

Street fighting is dirty, mean and has no rules
We wore armor to protect ourselves, because it was mean stuff.

But all that aside, there is something that most non- martial artists don't realise.
Training, going through the moves over and over and over.
Working and training our body and mind to react to our opponents movements.
Muscles, synapses, reflexes and intuition are honed and happen faster than someone who does not do it.

An example is a typist
Anyone can type on a computer
But a good typist can churn out page after page far faster and more accurately than many of us can do.

Is the typist visionary?
Are they masters of the universe?
Are they superior in dexterity?

Not really, it's just that they do it over and over and over until it becomes second nature.

Just as a martial artist does.

We aren't better, we just do it more often until it happens faster.

Hi Valkie,

I too am shodan, as we’ve said many times before there are no hidden secrets in martial arts the only secret is to train and then train again and again and again that is the secret to anything in life really like your typist example.

Anyone who excels in something be it math, footy whatever wasn’t born that way but has the interest to go as far as his or her body and mind will allow them to go.

Traditional karate can push most people to limits they thought could not be possible, it's a great workout for the body and the mind.

Lyoto Machida is a JKA Shotokan karateka and his brother Chinzo runs in the family their father was a JKA instructor who was sent to brazil and married a brazlian woman, still there today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqbAfzrg-Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICzCt1L-Qhwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-re03mWAMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=libp-yH_1WU

MMA destroyed thousands of years of mythology re martial arts, karate was one of the first victims bar a few rare stand outs as above but Machida had to learn new non karate stuff to compete.

Biggest problem with karate is the lack of serious contact in competitions and training.

All the repetition in the world that they practice for decades in karate is not efficient way to learn self defence imo. Seriously who has time for that if you need to learn to protect yourself.

When some untrained but aggressive naturally violent person lands a wild  random shot to the head of most karate practitioners those thousands of repetitions go out the window and they told.

Also karate is such a mass market factory thing these days old ladies and little children are guaranteed a black belt when they sign up for a program.

My local newspaper has articles every week of some elderly person or 10yo getting a black belt and winning a world title. Good for the participants to do something disciplined and physical but an actual MARTIAL art I think not.

Look at the difference in aggression in Thai fighting V karate, the Thai guy does simple techniques and endures lots of pain in training. Karate is complicated and they never really get beat up in training.

Why Thai is a critical element in UFC and karate isn't.

Everyone has an opinion just like they have an arsehole and that’s fair enough, personally I have tried boxing, jujutsu and taekwondo for a time but traditional karate for me was something else. Not everyone who trains in karate wants to fight and you certainly wouldn’t want to make kids and grannies do full contact that is not allowed anywhere as far as I know.

If someone so young or so old want full contact they can go and do boxing, mma, muay thai and kick boxing.

When a child gets to 18 years of age he or she can choose to do fighting and there is fighting in traditional karate, well depends on the school I agree there are those that only train with no contact which will never give them an indication of what their technique will be like under real pressure and if they do get hit in a street fight might go into the rabbit in a spot light mentality from the shock.

Can you imagine a muay thai stylist never having done full contact….???...same thing.

You can make traditional karate be whatever you want it to be for you, if you want to fight in the style that I did they can accommodate you, you will end up experiencing it when you get to black belt anyway depending upon your age and mentality.

Like I said for most people traditional karate is a great work out for the body and the mind.

Check out the videos on the right, Its Chinzo (Lyoto's brother) Machida using Shotokan karate in the mma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gO_2sBfc4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeFvEvuum3Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPw8PSCgO7Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vNJxTXmLU

Hey dude what's a Sicilian martial art....?

That's why I started the thread, to encourage you to look. There are several Styles and schools.

Term Dog wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:36pm:

That's why I started the thread, to encourage you to look. There are several Styles and schools.

Ok I was having a look after I wrote the last post.

Interesting most martial artists always think of Filipino stick and knife.

Never heard of this before, looks different.

So what martial art do you practice...??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP7COgMtxQ4

Ever heard of Ray Floro he's a master of the Fillipino martial arts, attended one of his seminars once, the guy is brilliant with simplicity on overcoming a knife attack and has an abundance of MA knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRdZG5e_kKAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrtF10Samvohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLNAGb9pNFAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzgpa0Tu9Q

Term Dog wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 2:14pm:

MMA destroyed thousands of years of mythology re martial arts, karate was one of the first victims bar a few rare stand outs as above but Machida had to learn new non karate stuff to compete. Biggest problem with karate is the lack of serious contact in competitions and training. All the repetition in the world that they practice for decades in karate is not efficient way to learn self defence imo. Seriously who has time for that if you need to learn to protect yourself. When some untrained but aggressive naturally violent person lands a wild  random shot to the head of most karate practitioners those thousands of repetitions go out the window and they told. Also karate is such a mass market factory thing these days old ladies and little children are guaranteed a black belt when they sign up for a program. My local newspaper has articles every week of some elderly person or 10yo getting a black belt and winning a world title. Good for the participants to do something disciplined and physical but an actual MARTIAL art I think not. Look at the difference in aggression in Thai fighting V karate, the Thai guy does simple techniques and endures lots of pain in training. Karate is complicated and they never really get beat up in training. Why Thai is a critical element in UFC and karate isn't.

The difference between combat sports and traditional ma is conditioning: obviously!

Why the f do people not get this?

Boxing doesn't teach people to walk away....

Ajax wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 3:25pm:

Hey dude what's a Sicilian martial art....?

That's the one where you brag about your complete joke of a cousin whose aka THE MOUTH OF THE SOUTH!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  ;D :) :) :) :) :)  ::) ::) ::) ::)   ;)

Come on TD what are you training in.....!!

Come on spit it out dude..... :)

I think captain caveman does krav maga.

In  Mt Druitt, fighting was almost a life and death thing.
If Death didn't knock, then one copped a real belting to near incapacitation.
No rules, fighting was 'not' a Sport, like Martial Arts.
Fought many a Boxer, Martial Artist in a 'fight'.
They never had the 'intensity' or 'ferocity' to take that fight to that lower level. They were always hamstrung by 'rules' and 'code'. I've even fought a hard, well trained Military Martial Artist and his inability to have his soul reaped from his body in a fight, was his undoing.
The survival instinct projects pure 'reflex' that no 'trained' fighter can attain.
To me, fighting was NEVER a 'sport' or 'profession'.
It was survival.
A 'sported' Fighter to a 'natural' fighter is like comparing a Cop to a Soldier.

...you see, the first 'instinct' of mine is to snap your neck and kill you, if you attack me. Kill you in any way possible - whatever it takes. If I don't kill you - then I incapacitate you asap. Eyes pulled out, tear your carotid out with my teeth or find the first piece of material that can break your bones or rip your flesh.

Fighting for a 'sport', for 'fitness', for ...money???
BAH HUMBUG!  ::)

Now this is why I don't like fighting and follow a pacifist way as best I can. The saving grace is that I can 'control' myself and know when to stop, if in a fight. But there is always someone who has to be put away immediately and a broken glass ends their efforts fast for a start.

The other first major rule is to 'not be afraid of losing ...dying'. Once you  accept 'Death' as your saviour...

well, I could pass a cop into a padded cell with a psychotic violent patient and walk out unharmed (when working Medical Industry). You see - there is more to 'violence' fighting than you know. Training can only go so far.

You see. Its the 'australian' way. The already 'beaten' and 'downtrodden' with nothing to lose.

...that's what succeeds the most 'here'. Being #1 or 'the best' only gets you so far.

So easy to make the 'best' black belt over-confident, over-achieve and over-step his own ability.  ;)

Ajax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Come on TD what are you training in.....!! Come on spit it out dude..... :) I think captain caveman does krav maga.

Did. Judo as a kid cos there was a good club down the road. It was really good, got into a fight with a slightly older and much stronger bully. He grabbed me and we went to ground and I pinned him. Made the guy concede defeat, he struggled a lot but I actually remembered my training specifically in that hold and I kept side control unit he fatigued and gave up. I was so amazed and proud I used skill to beat him. We stood up and I graciously put my hand out to shake hands and he punched 4 times in the face and broke my nose and he ran off. I was outraged he did that after I won. Went and told my instructor that judo is incomplete like I was an adult. Years later a work crew was hostile toward new crews, you don't need details, and this guy attacked me on the job. I wasn't expecting it. He had a safety harness on and amazingly I grabbed the harness like it was judo and threw the guy so hard on the cement he tried hard to get up but couldn't. The boss walked in at that point and sacked the guy on the spot as he tried same on other guys. I was amazed I remembered that throw instantly and under extreme pressure 20+ years since I last did judo as a pre teen. Wish my old instructor was around to thank him.

Then joined karate and boxing clubs, got so bored with karate all standing in lines doing repetitive movements and pretend sparsring like I kick punch you block then swap over. They always wanted more money for fake weapons and crap so I quiet and did boxing. I loved boxing first night I got put in with an experienced guy and was told to fight. I fought like a maniac and never landed a punch and the guy hit me whenever he felt like it. He made it hurt but not so hard to knockout or injure. I was only white guy. I went every night for years and had a bunch of fights titles etc.

Got jobs and girls and stopped boxing for decades then had another bunch of fights and coached guys until I was 45.

Lastly mma started and some young guys asked me for striking training so I started a gym with them and they taught me basic wrestling bjj and kicks.

I realised  I am born to wrestle really as I picked it up quick and I have good natural leverages for it. Wish I had somewhere to learn it when I was young but there were no clubs.

These days I privately do self protection with and against weapons, sticks knives etc. It's just survival stuff no real style. About 3 of us different ages and backgrounds meet up occasionally and just experiment with knife defence, ranged weapons, escapes,  high impact and run away stuff. It's cool, lots of randoms blow in and out, some bring knowledge, some test themselves, some are trying to prove stuff. That's my entire history on it.

Term Dog wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:16pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2018 at 5:49pm: Come on TD what are you training in.....!! Come on spit it out dude..... :) I think captain caveman does krav maga. Did. Judo as a kid cos there was a good club down the road. It was really good, got into a fight with a slightly older and much stronger bully. He grabbed me and we went to ground and I pinned him. Made the guy concede defeat, he struggled a lot but I actually remembered my training specifically in that hold and I kept side control unit he fatigued and gave up. I was so amazed and proud I used skill to beat him. We stood up and I graciously put my hand out to shake hands and he punched 4 times in the face and broke my nose and he ran off. I was outraged he did that after I won. Went and told my instructor that judo is incomplete like I was an adult. Years later a work crew was hostile toward new crews, you don't need details, and this guy attacked me on the job. I wasn't expecting it. He had a safety harness on and amazingly I grabbed the harness like it was judo and threw the guy so hard on the cement he tried hard to get up but couldn't. The boss walked in at that point and sacked the guy on the spot as he tried same on other guys. I was amazed I remembered that throw instantly and under extreme pressure 20+ years since I last did judo as a pre teen. Wish my old instructor was around to thank him. Then joined karate and boxing clubs, got so bored with karate all standing in lines doing repetitive movements and pretend sparsring like I kick punch you block then swap over. They always wanted more money for fake weapons and crap so I quiet and did boxing. I loved boxing first night I got put in with an experienced guy and was told to fight. I fought like a maniac and never landed a punch and the guy hit me whenever he felt like it. He made it hurt but not so hard to knockout or injure. I was only white guy. I went every night for years and had a bunch of fights titles etc. Got jobs and girls and stopped boxing for decades then had another bunch of fights and coached guys until I was 45. Lastly mma started and some young guys asked me for striking training so I started a gym with them and they taught me basic wrestling bjj and kicks. I realised  I am born to wrestle really as I picked it up quick and I have good natural leverages for it. Wish I had somewhere to learn it when I was young but there were no clubs. These days I privately do self protection with and against weapons, sticks knives etc. It's just survival stuff no real style. About 3 of us different ages and backgrounds meet up occasionally and just experiment with knife defence, ranged weapons, escapes,  high impact and run away stuff. It's cool, lots of randoms blow in and out, some bring knowledge, some test themselves, some are trying to prove stuff. That's my entire history on it.

Hey TD well done, judo is one of the best grappling arts going around, but like karate takes some time, I think the judoka have a saying goes something like this

10 years standing

1 year ground.

Sounds like you’re into reality based self defence (RBSD) have gone to a few of those seminars well worth the effort they have stuff in there that you can’t always get from traditional MA.

Any physical activity is good keeps you fit and healthy and hopefully you will never have to use.

Keep the good work up.

Some RBSD below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CdH6xHcgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNeSg4yzuNo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6OJnZG3joAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E61jnJe_1SI

The great thing about martial art is that its an expression of one's self through physical display.  If you believe that martial art should be pretentious, a gimmick, then as you do it, your moves would show it.   And I have seen no shortage of (mostly young men), showing up their fly kicks.   Are they right or wrong, there is no answer just for the moves per se.  Its how they use it.  If they use it to improve their physical and mental fitness, helping others, then to me it represent good.   If they use it to hurt others, then no matter how flashy the moves are, they are bad. 

Ajax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 5:49pm:

Come on TD what are you training in.....!! Come on spit it out dude..... :) I think captain caveman does krav maga.

Yes I do.
Krav gives me what I need in defence. I have only trained in the defence aspect There are many more facits to learn.
I boxed for years and still train in my shed every week. It is a fitness thing for me. I do not fight for trophies or accolades. Purely fitness and self control. People laugh when you say boxing is diciplin. It is.
Krav then allows you to enhance those skills in a self defence mechanism. Judo, Aikido, karate....it's all used. Always advancing forward, using your surroundings, striking vitals and moving in such a way you disarm and neutralise before seriously harming your opponent or potential threat. Basically very controlled street fighting. There are no rules in the street like there is in the ring. Every circumstance is different.

I still have a long way to go and of late with kids and work life etc it is hard finding time but as my children come of age we will get back into it again.

I think many people don't realise what the word MARTIAL means in martial arts.

Good thread guys ...  one thing I can take away from it is all who have posted here now confirms for me the way in which you post comments in other threads, with a self assurance and confidence that comes from the study of MA.

I started Tai Chi Chuan at 17 ... at 19 progressed to Ba Gua Zhang (Earl Montague - Tai Chi Boxing Association of Aust) which included several other complimentary disciplines  such as Savate, Kendo, Wing Chun plus a plethora of short/long stick and weapons training.

Of late I've been doing the odd bit with a Shotokan Karate dojo ... the sensei is my fathers best mate so I get these incredibly intense one on one training sessions unlike the average student gets to have. Having a blast because its been a few years since I've trained at all and what's even better is sensei values my past discipline experience and keenly learns what he can from me given the opportunity. He's no spring chicken,  he's 68 and started karate as an 8yr old ... a true master of his discipline.

The only thing we don't do is any kind of head striking, even with head gear on as I have epilepsy from a head injury, I seizure most days as it is so I certainly don't need any hard triggers to set seizures off ... but we'll belt the crap out of each other (within reason) below the neck all in the name of great, friendly combat.  :)

I do like the look of BJJ however I also have advanced OA of the spine which I've been told by my local BJJ Instructor is probably not the best thing to have when grappling and getting tied up in knots ... something I can enjoy from the sidelines at least.

Anyway guys,  keep on keeping on and staying strong of body and mind ... but I'm preaching to the converted. ;)

Term Dog wrote on Oct 31^st, 2018 at 9:24am:

I think many people don't realise what the word MARTIAL means in martial arts.

Certainly not to holler for a battery ... with a little poetic license   ;D

fezz wrote on Oct 31^st, 2018 at 9:38am:

Good thread guys ...  one thing I can take away from it is all who have posted here now confirms for me the way in which you post comments in other threads, with a self assurance and confidence that comes from the study of MA. I started Tai Chi Chuan at 17 ... at 19 progressed to Ba Gua Zhang (Earl Montague - Tai Chi Boxing Association of Aust) which included several other complimentary disciplines  such as Savate, Kendo, Wing Chun plus a plethora of short/long stick and weapons training. Of late I've been doing the odd bit with a Shotokan Karate dojo ... the sensei is my fathers best mate so I get these incredibly intense one on one training sessions unlike the average student gets to have. Having a blast because its been a few years since I've trained at all and what's even better is sensei values my past discipline experience and keenly learns what he can from me given the opportunity. He's no spring chicken,  he's 68 and started karate as an 8yr old ... a true master of his discipline. The only thing we don't do is any kind of head striking, even with head gear on as I have epilepsy from a head injury, I seizure most days as it is so I certainly don't need any hard triggers to set seizures off ... but we'll belt the crap out of each other (within reason) below the neck all in the name of great, friendly combat.  :) I do like the look of BJJ however I also have advanced OA of the spine which I've been told by my local BJJ Instructor is probably not the best thing to have when grappling and getting tied up in knots ... something I can enjoy from the sidelines at least. Anyway guys,  keep on keeping on and staying strong of body and mind ... but I'm preaching to the converted. ;)

Gday fezz (is your name inspired from the 60s show fezz??? Love that bloke)
That is great that you still get in and and train mate. Seizures every day would be really hard personally to cope with let alone having arthritis in the spine. And your contact sparing. That is a massive show of strength and dedication right there. Good on you.
Can I ask, is the head injury from fighting?

I should add that when fighting people with Martial Arts training, their 'mentality' is always somewhere far away in Asia. In fact, they think like an Asian and if you walk around Australia - you'll see the little yellow people and how mentally 'stoopid' they are trying to live here.

I laugh at Martial Arts trained people and how they act as if they are 'mentally' trained ...but really, they get their heads punched back to Asia.  ;D

These karate meatheads know nothing of 'Marital' Arts as they spend their time bashing other men unconscious and getting bashed unconscious themselves by other men.

That explains a lot of their nonsensical blather on Ozpolitic.

In one string, self-professed black belt holder Valkie was boasting about carrying a concealed knife and hoping he would one day get to stab another person with it.

I hate fighting.

I never see the sense of Men wanting to touch other men.
Seems so 'gay' to me, that they want to 'touch' each other up.  ::)

Like most humans in any facit of life, if you're not good at it, can't show commitment, can't handle the pain you'll bag the crap out of it. Probably overweight or at least in the upper BMI range too.

Fighting is part of the animal kingdom. Don't care if you can't stand it. It is the grass roots to survival for humans. You want to deny you're an animal....that is okay. You're just brainwashed by figureheads into believing you are the superior being on this planet yet you're nothing but a slave, a minion, and most animals would kill you in a one on one.
Fighting has protected your sorry arses for centuries.
Cowering behind a rock shouting obscenities is not a show of strength in any human.

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 1^st, 2018 at 5:12am:

Probably overweight or at least in the upper BMI range too. .

You mean like the Rock?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 1^st, 2018 at 9:16am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 1st, 2018 at 5:12am: Probably overweight or at least in the upper BMI range too. . You mean like the Rock?

The rock is a fighter. So no.
I mean like Norm from the life be in it adds.

Do you think you're clever or something with that post?

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 31^st, 2018 at 8:56pm:

fezz wrote on Oct 31st, 2018 at 9:38am: Good thread guys ...  one thing I can take away from it is all who have posted here now confirms for me the way in which you post comments in other threads, with a self assurance and confidence that comes from the study of MA. I started Tai Chi Chuan at 17 ... at 19 progressed to Ba Gua Zhang (Earl Montague - Tai Chi Boxing Association of Aust) which included several other complimentary disciplines  such as Savate, Kendo, Wing Chun plus a plethora of short/long stick and weapons training. Of late I've been doing the odd bit with a Shotokan Karate dojo ... the sensei is my fathers best mate so I get these incredibly intense one on one training sessions unlike the average student gets to have. Having a blast because its been a few years since I've trained at all and what's even better is sensei values my past discipline experience and keenly learns what he can from me given the opportunity. He's no spring chicken,  he's 68 and started karate as an 8yr old ... a true master of his discipline. The only thing we don't do is any kind of head striking, even with head gear on as I have epilepsy from a head injury, I seizure most days as it is so I certainly don't need any hard triggers to set seizures off ... but we'll belt the crap out of each other (within reason) below the neck all in the name of great, friendly combat.  :) I do like the look of BJJ however I also have advanced OA of the spine which I've been told by my local BJJ Instructor is probably not the best thing to have when grappling and getting tied up in knots ... something I can enjoy from the sidelines at least. Anyway guys,  keep on keeping on and staying strong of body and mind ... but I'm preaching to the converted. ;) Gday fezz (is your name inspired from the 60s show fezz??? Love that bloke) That is great that you still get in and and train mate. Seizures every day would be really hard personally to cope with let alone having arthritis in the spine. And your contact sparing. That is a massive show of strength and dedication right there. Good on you. Can I ask, is the head injury from fighting?

fezz is a shortening of a nickname I was given at 17, naturally got shorter over the years ... how aussie is that!
Lucky for me I was born with a glass half full in my hand.
The head injury is getting hit on the right temporal lobe by my surfboards rail while surfing a solid 6' point break in WA.

Bit slow on the reply because I've just broken my left radius and ulna  :o

I'll have to check out old mate fezz from the show you speak of, you've peaked my interest.

Hey fezz that's not from deflecting a kick in your shotokan training...?

Speedy recovery dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaqp64dCoI

Ajax wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 8:46am:

Hey fezz that's not from deflecting a kick in your shotokan training...? Speedy recovery dude.

I wish ... some mofo had strewn fist size rocks over a bike path in a blind corner, I came off my bike doing a serious superman impersonation onto concrete. I travel the path most days so know it well, the corner is fairly low speed as the camber drops out and you cant see walkers but I still couldnt evade quick enough.

Lucky for me pain is a non issue ... didn't take any pain relief until after the op when the arm block wore off butt only then two doses, back to no pain again. Had all the nurses and Docs tripping, they ask the old rating out of 10,  my answer was always 2.

Heterosexual marital arts work better than masochistic, homosexual. martial arts

John McCain called UFC human cockfighting.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/mixed-martial-arts-is-gay-6365862


Quote:

A trio of women in their midtwenties is huddled in a dark booth in a corner of Gatsby's (8575 SW 124th Ave., Miami, 305-412-2220). Most of the bar is amped, but these women sit far from all the beer and chest pounding. Staring quietly at a cartoonish Britto-inspired mural, they curl their stiff fingers around the stems of sweating martini glasses. "Our husbands forced us to come," says a mousy blonde with the stylized Hispanic accent you find only in Miami's suburbs. On a gargantuan screen, two fighters roll around on the floor, twisting each another into a knot of slippery, glistening flesh. One wraps his muscular legs around his opponent's rippled waist. It's the Ultimate Fighting Championship — "human cockfighting" to John McCain, and one of the most popular things on cable. "It's gay," all three women say as they roll their eyes in unison.

Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas.


@laugh till you cry.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 4:47pm:

Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry.

I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you.

You won't tap out because you're a masochist.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 5:41pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist.

Projection.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:41pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist. Projection.

Erection?

Are you allowed to grab it in martial arts if your homosexual, masochist, hairy-backed, hairy-arsed, meat-head, opponent gets romantic?

How does a tap-out work in those circumstances?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:41pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist. Projection. Erection? Are you allowed to grab it in martial arts if your homosexual, masochist, hairy-backed, hairy-arsed, meat-head, opponent gets romantic? How does a tap-out work in those circumstances?

Its only gay if you look each other in the eye...... :-*

fezz wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 8:58am:

Lucky for me pain is a non issue ... didn't take any pain relief until after the op when the arm block wore off butt only then two doses, back to no pain again. Had all the nurses and Docs tripping, they ask the old rating out of 10,  my answer was always 2.

You sound like a tough cookie take care and speedy recovery.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 9:19pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:41pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist. Projection. Erection? Are you allowed to grab it in martial arts if your homosexual, masochist, hairy-backed, hairy-arsed, meat-head, opponent gets romantic? How does a tap-out work in those circumstances?

Projecting it's own sick fantasies.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 11^th, 2018 at 9:30am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:41pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist. Projection. Erection? Are you allowed to grab it in martial arts if your homosexual, masochist, hairy-backed, hairy-arsed, meat-head, opponent gets romantic? How does a tap-out work in those circumstances? Projecting it's own sick fantasies.

Which give Term Dog a raging erection.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 11^th, 2018 at 9:41am:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 11th, 2018 at 9:30am: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:19pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 6:23pm: Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:41pm: Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 4:47pm: Look the beta soy tryna get some attention from the alphas. @laugh till you cry. I perceive you love a big, hairy-backed, sweaty, man on top of you. You won't tap out because you're a masochist. Projection. Erection? Are you allowed to grab it in martial arts if your homosexual, masochist, hairy-backed, hairy-arsed, meat-head, opponent gets romantic? How does a tap-out work in those circumstances? Projecting it's own sick fantasies. Which give Term Dog a raging erection.

How do people get this low.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 11^th, 2018 at 9:47am:

How do people get this low.

In your case by being thrown by other men and enjoying it.

Is that mud in your eye?