There has been a lot of garbage discussion about the so called imminent mini ice age due to a solar grand minimum.
There have also been many forum members claiming that the sun is the driver of the climate, not the atmosphere.

In truth both the sun and the atmosphere affect the climate but it is the atmosphere which has a far greater effect.

To prove this you only have to look at a couple of planets in our solar system.

Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun so you would assume that it is the hottest planet.............but it's not.

Mercury  day side  temperature  427^o C
Mercury night side temperature -173^o C (yes thats minus 173)

Venus day side temperature 462^o C
Venus night side temperature 462^o C

Venus is twice as far away from the sun as Mercury so it receives just a 1/4 of the radiant heat, so why is Venus hotter than Mercury?

The reason is: Venus has a dense atmosphere and Mercury has a negligible atmosphere

No one is denying the atmosphere doesn’t play a role of course it does.

The miracle of the Earth’s atmosphere is it traps heat to keep us warm and it releases heat into space to maintain its equilibrium, that is a true miracle hey TD.

Sure the trace gases like CO2 play a big role in maintaining the Earth’s temperature about 30°C higher than it might otherwise have been.

But that’s about the extent of trace gases and their effects, in fact CO2 heating is logarithmic and the first 20ppm accounts for half of this warming.

Both sides acknowledge this, even the IPCC although they do camouflage it nicely in their papers.

Want proof look back through our history, today we have some of the lowest amounts of atmospheric CO2 and global mean temperatures in our history and we all know the climate fluctuates and has cycles.

https://preview.ibb.co/m3Awv0/IPCCreport.jpg

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/08/the-effectiveness-of-co2-as-a-greenhouse-gas-becomes-ever-more-marginal-with-greater-concentration/

https://preview.ibb.co/gnYGv0/h2o.jpg

https://knowledgedrift.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/co2-is-logarithmic-explained-3/

--->how can the venus day side and night side be exactly the same...?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

In truth both the sun and the atmosphere affect the climate but it is the atmosphere which has a far greater effect.

And the oceans.

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 2:11pm:

--->how can the venus day side and night side be exactly the same...?

the atmosphere

Spot

Venus doesn't have any coal-fired power plants, which proves that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 3:44pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 2:11pm: --->how can the venus day side and night side be exactly the same...? the atmosphere Spot

Is that actually your answer?

FM... I may aswell be at a f'n nightclub  ::)

Robot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 3:58pm:

Venus doesn't have any coal-fired power plants, which proves that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax.

:-? :-? :-? :-?  ::)  :o  ;D  :D ;) ;) ;) ;)  :) ---> '"Rates of change", d*&^%head': is this still a f'n nightclub or what ??????????????????????  ;D

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 4:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:44pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 2:11pm: --->how can the venus day side and night side be exactly the same...? the atmosphere Spot Is that actually your answer? FM... I may aswell be at a f'n nightclub  ::)

It is correct

On Mercury there is barely any atmosphere to retain the heat so at night it drops to -173^o C

On Venus the atmosphere is so thick that it retains the heat and the temperature barely changes from night to day

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 11:58am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 4:43pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 3:44pm: TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 4th, 2018 at 2:11pm: --->how can the venus day side and night side be exactly the same...? the atmosphere Spot Is that actually your answer? FM... I may aswell be at a f'n nightclub  ::) It is correct On Mercury there is barely any atmosphere to retain the heat so at night it drops to -173o C On Venus the atmosphere is so thick that it retains the heat and the temperature barely changes from night to day

Amazing numbers is all I can say...

Shouldn't this be in the Environment forum?

BTW - clouds are the greatest greenhouse gas.

Ever notice how cold it can be on a clear night?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 1:55pm:

Shouldn't this be in the Environment forum? BTW - clouds are the greatest greenhouse gas. Ever notice how cold it can be on a clear night?

Bobby forgets the hydrology cycle: you're all piss and wind buddy and you have been for decades: I wonder why that is lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D!

So DRAH shoots the messenger - I'm used to it by now.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 2:33pm:

So DRAH shoots the messenger - I'm used to it by now.

What are clouds made of buddy?

(You're a propaganda artist matey: bye bye!)  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 2:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 2:33pm: So DRAH shoots the messenger - I'm used to it by now. What are clouds made of buddy? (You're a propaganda artist matey: bye bye!)  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Clouds are made of water vapor -

bye bye DRAH.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2018 at 2:47pm:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 2:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 2:33pm: So DRAH shoots the messenger - I'm used to it by now. What are clouds made of buddy? (You're a propaganda artist matey: bye bye!)  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Clouds are made of water vapor - bye bye DRAH.

Wow, bobby did lower highschool but not at a passing grade: unless he's just pretending ....  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, lol!

VENUS: to show us what would become of our planet if Pollution took control.

MARS: to show us what would become of our planet if War took control.


...PLUTO: to show us that 'Life' is where we least expect it, regardless of how 'insignificant' it comes across as.