Change the nation': Invasion Day protesters march through Melbourne   :-? 

26 January 2019
The Age
 

Up to 10,000 people have gathered for an Invasion Day protest in central Melbourne.



The protest coincided with an official Australia Day parade in the city, celebrating Victoria's cultural diversity and featuring more than 1000 participants from over 80 community and cultural groups.

At the Invasion Day rally, thousands of people wearing black red and yellow were packed tightly around Parliament House,  spilling out into Spring Street before marching down Bourke Street.


Thousands of people joined the Invasion Day march from Parliament House to Flinders Street Station on Saturday.


As protesters turned into Swanston Street, where the Australia Parade was held only minutes before, they shouted “no pride in genocide” and “always was, always will be Aboriginal land”.

Several held signs reading “Change the date, we still won’t celebrate” with some of the crowd advocating not only for Australia Day to be moved from January 26th, but to be abolished completely.

“We don’t just need to change the date, we need to change the nation,” one protester shouted.

Police were out in force, with dozens of officers in cars, on motorbikes and on foot patrolling the march.

A dozen officers on horseback were at the front of the march, and police with cameras were dotted around the gathering, monitoring the crowd.


Among the “Abolish Australia Day” signs were posters bearing the faces of Aboriginal men and women who have died in police custody. Signatures on a petition to abolish controversial public drunkenness laws spilled across dozens of pages.

“We are sick of the pain, we are sick of the loss, every single day. We need you every day,” said one woman, addressing white Australians in the crowd.

“It’s up to you if you want to come out once a year and protest or if you will work every single day to change what this country is about,” she said.

Tensions rose when it looked for a moment that officers would not allow protesters to bring a truck carrying speakers past the police line.


Protesters shouted “let us through”, some pushing up against the wall of officers, trying to break past.

As the crowd began to roar with boos and shouts, police were forced to move back, re-establishing a barricade a block down.

Plans by far-right activist and convicted criminal Neil Erikson and supporters of his United Patriots Front to disrupt the official parade by joining in uninvited were thwarted when they were unable to get through barricades placed along Swanston Street.

Erikson arrived at Federation Square shortly after 11am, draped in an Australian flag, and was joined by just a dozen supporters, who earlier told The Age they were “going to join in the parade” even though they were not officially part of it.

“We just want to wave our Australian flags,” one United Patriots supporter said.


Police led a far-right nationalist away from Invasion Day protesters at Flinders Street Station.

However, after walking up and down Swanson Street looking for an opportunity to slip through the barricades, the group headed back to Federation Square where police spoke to Erikson before the group quickly dispersed.

There had earlier been concerns that Erikson’s group could potentially clash with Invasion Day marchers and cause ugly scenes similar to those that occurred at a rally organised by Erikson and Blair Cottrell in St Kilda in January to “take back the beach” from “African crime gangs”.

After the march ended, police descended when a fight broke out on the steps of Flinders Street station, where a small group of far-right nationalists stood with an Australian flag under the clocks.

Officers gathered as tentions escalated among the men and surrounding protesters. It is believed that one person grabbed another person’s flag, and a fight erupted.

Several people were dragged down the steps into the crowd and witnesses say a group of men were wrestling on the ground, shoving each other and yelling.

A dozen officers quickly broke up the fight and at least one far-right nationalist was marched away, surrounded by police.

Change the date to whatever, they'll still be a bunch of unemployed abos.

Symbolic BS

What exactly do the protesters want?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:58pm:

What exactly do the protesters want?

All I could gather was they want to change Australia, no idea beyond that vague idea.

Setanta wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 7:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 3:58pm: What exactly do the protesters want? All I could gather was they want to change Australia, no idea beyond that vague idea.

There were kids with 'abolish Australia' placards.

When I was in my early 20s, I was kicking around with some NSW Greens types, mostly because I was a bit of a tree hugger.

The left wing of the greens are total loons and their objective is the restratification of society. They actually spoke glowingly of the Khmer rouge's ideals, minus the murder.

I get the feeling those types are well behind this sort of crap. It has very little to do with helping Abos.

“Change the date, we still won’t celebrate” ..

Oh, well... no reason to raise the buttocks and give in then, eh?  Won't change one thing...

Told yez... give in one bit and that will open the flood gates... but it won't end it, just make it worse, and one day it will mean blood.  That's not on my head...

Tweeted Big Bad Bill on that one..... stop showing your arse for easy consumption to any who ask for it, Bill...

Politicians create Australia Day to commemorate their first appearance in this part of the world.

Politicians make everyone pay a tax towards giving money and benefits to Aboriginal peoples.

Aboriginal peoples 'invade' the Australia Day celebrations.

Politicians remove money & benefits to Aboriginals.

Aboriginals can't afford to fund demonstrations against the removal of their free money and benefits.

Australia: "You get what you pay for!"  ::)

Jasin wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:14pm:

Politicians create Australia Day to commemorate their first appearance in this part of the world. Politicians make everyone pay a tax towards giving money and benefits to Aboriginal peoples. Aboriginal peoples 'invade' the Australia Day celebrations. Politicians remove money & benefits to Aboriginals. Aboriginals can't afford to fund demonstrations against the removal of their free money and benefits. Australia: "You get what you pay for!"  ::)

No more Invasion Money for Koons!!!   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Bizarre that they used the White Man's means of transport etc to even get there, they could've walked and got there for next year .... wore the White Man's clothes... wore White Man's shoes to march in ...used the White Man's megaphone .... marched on the White Man's roads..... used the
White Man's rights to protest* ...had a quiet one afterwards at the White Man's pub or whatever.....


* Downe at Billie Mungalunga's tribal HQ, circa 1787:-

"Erh Billie - dat Fukaminga mob from cross da river, dey wanna protest yo takin' dat creek dey reckon dey own... watcha wanna do?"

"Farken spear da lot, Bro... mek 'im unnerstan' dat Billie tek dat creek when 'e want!  Dat Billie Law,Bro!  Eey.. you 'ear ' 'bout some fellah 'e come wit' big boat an' all?"

"Yeah - dat fellah e' bring Whart Man's Law, Billie... no spearin' wit'out permission o' what dey calls a 'court'!"

"Ah.. dat never work 'ere, Bro... yo go spear dem lot now!"



Bizarre......

British Media condemns Australians as "Criminals for stealing Aboriginal lands"
USA Media condemns Australians as "Racists for not giving Aboriginals every right"

Must be pretty crap when you know you can't beat the Abos with Politics and Military - like the Brits/Yanks did against the Yellows  ;)

So if you can't use Politics/Military to get the black monkey off your back - what then?  :D

Jasin wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:55pm:

British Media condemns Australians as "Criminals for stealing Aboriginal lands" USA Media condemns Australians as "Racists for not giving Aboriginals every right" Must be pretty crap when you know you can't beat the Abos with Politics and Military - like the Brits/Yanks did against the Yellows  ;) So if you can't use Politics/Military to get the black monkey off your back - what then?  :D

I saw some of these protesters interviewed and asked what they were protesting .... most wouldn't speak for fear of being shown up for how dumb they are .....

and others dived in to show their ignorance.

When asked what Australia Day & the 26th of January represented young woman said, "it was when Capt. Cook landed".

They wouldn't have a clue ... dumb as dogshyte morons.

https://www.facebook.com/australianlibertyalliance/videos/411330249636743/

People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!!

:) :) :)

i find it funny how some of the righties here call the lefties dumb as dogshit, but they themselves can't explain what 26th Jan. has to do with Australia day.  :D :D

Most of the lads didn't even know it was Australia day.

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As long as Australia remains British colony it will be responsible for terrible British genocide on Aboriginal people of Australia that was done by British elite and their convicts (criminals).

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:07am:

People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :)

... and people have every right to object to ridiculous demands and protests over nothing real and for no viable objective and voice their concerns over the future of their country .... the abuse and derogatory comments about White people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers those social justice warrior ass holes are!!!

Generally you're OK, Phil, but you really need to learn that a piece of rope has two ends to it...... you can't use a one-ended rope to climb a mountain... Grasshopper...

capitosinora wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:41am:

As long as Australia remains British colony it will be responsible for terrible British genocide on Aboriginal people of Australia that was done by British elite and their convicts (criminals).

Rubbish - our Koons lost their non-war ages ago - they can move on... they killed more of one another than the Whart Man ever did......

Someone tried to tell me that pre-settlement, they had a lifespan of eighty years... now it's 10-15 lower than everyone else's.... of course, there is no way of KNOWING they had a lifespan of eighty years, but the Macca's sustenance is killing them off - nothing to do with their personal choices etc... nothing to do with far better healthcare, nutrition, treatment of curable illness that kill children, ease of access to Whart Man's boats and such with outboards to continue their traditional fishing and guns to pursue their traditional hunting and nylon tents to carry on their traditional camping, clothes to keep out that winter chill and shoes to protect their feet from bindiis and so forth....

England was once four kingdoms (I think - maybe more) - perhaps it should be split up again and all those who claim to be of a certain type should be compensated with gifting of land and gold.....  Wessex, Northumbria, Mercia.. whatever else....

Hand Germany back to the Nazis.... they were invaded.....

When are you handing back your family's accumulated goods and homesteads etc to the American Indians?  Can't call 'em Native Americans, since you are a Native American, too.... we'll send some FBI (Falken Big Indians) around to collect your worldly goods and get you to sign over your property, home and such as compensation....   ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:52am:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:41am: As long as Australia remains British colony it will be responsible for terrible British genocide on Aboriginal people of Australia that was done by British elite and their convicts (criminals). Rubbish - our Koons lost their non-war ages ago - they can move on... they killed more of one another than the Whart Man ever did...... Someone tried to tell me that pre-settlement, they had a lifespan of eighty years... now it's 10-15 lower than everyone else's.... of course, there is no way of KNOWING they had a lifespan of eighty years, but the Macca's sustenance is killing them off - nothing to do with their personal choices etc... nothing to do with far better healthcare, nutrition, treatment of curable illness that kill children, ease of access to Whart Man's boats and such with outboards to continue their traditional fishing and guns to pursue their traditional hunting and nylon tents to carry on their traditional camping, clothes to keep out that winter chill and shoes to protect their feet from bindiis and so forth.... England was once four kingdoms (I think - maybe more) - perhaps it should be split up again and all those who claim to be of a certain type should be compensated with gifting of land and gold.....  Wessex, Northumbria, Mercia.. whatever else.... Hand Germany back to the Nazis.... they were invaded..... When are you handing back your family's accumulated goods and homesteads etc to the American Indians?  Can't call 'em Native Americans, since you are a Native American, too.... we'll send some FBI (Falken Big Indians) around to collect your worldly goods and get you to sign over your property, home and such as compensation....   ::)

Unlike Australia USA was liberated from British colonial rule long time ago.
Black slavery and genocide on American indians was done by British empire and we Americans strongly condemned that.

Unlike USA, Anglo Australians rejects to express sincere regret for what was done to Aborigines and stubbornly promote British criminal past and nationalism by choosing to be still part of evil British empire.

Note: Australia is still British colony with British flag and British Monarch as their head of state.

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:07am:

i find it funny how some of the righties here call the lefties dumb as dogshit, but they themselves can't explain what 26th Jan. has to do with Australia day.  :D :D

It's the accepted date, Smith.... nothing more is necessary...... no explanation required... it's the date on which we, as a nation, traditionally celebrate the arrival of western civilisation..... ranting on about a few bad bits won't change that.... most settlers never harmed a Kaffir and if there had been a genocide, there's be none left.... instead they are growing in number through their desperate culture of rooting early and breeding like rats.....

If Tasmania had all its Kaffirs dug out and buried... where did Lambie come from?  Let's stick to realities....

Funny thing - my nephew (one of) had an Aboriginal father - he's a fine man with a family, a beautiful blonde wife, a home and two kids... one niece has an Aboriginal father, and she's a lesbian, and she has ADHD, so they say .. I say she had her mother's upbringing, but oh, well...

Neither of them demands anything for nothing.... they get on with it....

Another point - if the 'protestors' recognise it as some sort of invasion day, obviously it is a recognisable day (worthy of celebration for what it is).... even their opposition shows that.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:07am: People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :) ... and people have every right to object to ridiculous demands and protests over nothing real and for no viable objective and voice their concerns over the future of their country .... the abuse and derogatory comments about White people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers those social justice warrior ass holes are!!! Generally you're OK, Phil, but you really need to learn that a piece of rope has two ends to it...... you can't use a one-ended rope to climb a mountain... Grasshopper...

What abuse and derogatory comments about white people have there been on this thread mate....Any opportunity to bash the black fella and claim you are the victim....Why should Aboriginal people accept abuse you find disgusting???

:-? :-? :-?

Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:27am:

Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-?

This is because Britain was liberated fro Roman Empire and Australia is still part of British Empire.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? This is because Britain was liberated fro Roman Empire and Australia is still part of British Empire.

So you support Aboriginal people wanting to liberate themselves from the yoke of colonial rule then???

:-? :-? :-?

capitosinora wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? This is because Britain was liberated fro Roman Empire and Australia is still part of British Empire.

Bloody saxons, Danes, Norse and all the rest - GIVE BRITAIN BACK TO THE ROMANS!!  Invaders...

Then the bloody Normans... ye gods....

https://yorkshirereporter.co.uk/norman-conquest-1066-including-anniversary-celebrations/


INVASION DAY!

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:23am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:44am: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:07am: People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :) ... and people have every right to object to ridiculous demands and protests over nothing real and for no viable objective and voice their concerns over the future of their country .... the abuse and derogatory comments about White people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers those social justice warrior ass holes are!!! Generally you're OK, Phil, but you really need to learn that a piece of rope has two ends to it...... you can't use a one-ended rope to climb a mountain... Grasshopper... What abuse and derogatory comments about white people have there been on this thread mate....Any opportunity to bash the black fella and claim you are the victim....Why should Aboriginal people accept abuse you find disgusting??? :-? :-? :-?

Never said I was the victim - who mentioned a thread??? When people march in the streets, push cops around, demand silencing of any opposition, and make veiled threats of getting out of control unless their demands are met - well, I kinda figure that's abuse, my man. 

I just love to lampoon all them Whart fellahs that get on board with any issue - real or not - to make a song and dance about and make themselves feel good.

You reckon someone is bashing the Black Fellah by refusing to give in to a demand to change Australia Day?

a)  god, you people these days have some strange definitions of abuse - under feminist tutelage no less...

b) told you before - you can't climb a mountain with a one-ended piece of rope...


q. what is the sound of one (the only) side whining about Australia Day?

a.  ribald laughter.

This is not an issue and there is no 'other side' involved... just one lot jumping up and down and trying to create an issue out of thin air.... women have been doing that for half a century and look around you at what's happened to this society....


q. what do they call it when only one side comes to a war?

a. a massacre.

This country's been suffering massacres of rights and genuine equalities for near fifty years now, to satisfy any small group that makes up a complaint, and then demands that The Whart Man's Government force everyone else to accept THEIR solution ONLY.

Intervention and revolution, son - intervention and revolution.... and it's your Kaffirs who are playing the victim... apparently pre-colonisation they lived to eighty years of age on an amazing diet.. sure.. sure.... all that healthcare and child nutrition and such and better all round nutrition is just killing them off...   ::)  ::)  ::)

grap, your rambling. If you think there is only one side of the argument then you're not listening. Stop playing victim and listen .

At your age you should know how to do that by now.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:27am:

Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-?

They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise.

Its AUSTRALIA day, not western white man day.

Start your own if you want your own day.

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

grap, your rambling. If you think there is only one side of the argument then you're not listening. Stop playing victim and listen . At your age you should know how to do that by now.

Not my fault that English is your second language, John.... not rambling at all.. very much on the mark....

Now refute what I say if you can...

Who is beating up on Aboriginals these days?  Who is threatening to burn their civilisation to the ground if their demands aren't met?  Who is blocking off entire sections of the nation's national treasures to Aboriginals?

Bizarre that you even attempt to label any opposition as 'playing the victim'... Jesus, man - where have you been during your holiday?  Like phil, you mostly had some sense.. this is a serious blind spot for both of you...

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Its AUSTRALIA day, not western white man day. Start your own if you want your own day.

Thank you for your support... I agree with Mr Hammer's sentiment....

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Its AUSTRALIA day, not western white man day. Start your own if you want your own day.

It's the day when Australia started being what it is today. And I'm afraid that seed was planted  by the British. Don't blame me because that puts a bee up your ass. It's just reality. Come to terms with it.

What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:55pm:

What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people.

How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear.

thats exactly right hammer- my father used to build roads and I saw him build a main from virgin bush in nsw-

"and Captain Cook, alighting from his dory on the shores of Nova Australis Incognita, riddled with scurvy and dysentry as were most of his crew and wearing filthy rags of uniform, was struck dumb by the morning light shining on the golden temples of Ngaragundaland.  Standing mouth agape, he noted, in the near distance, golden chariots driven by some unknown source coming towards his group, and as they drew near, he noted the magnificent bearing and physique of each of the riders in the chariots.. all clearly kings and clad in the finest raiment..... and all of them clearly over a hundred years old due to their amazing balanced diet and their civilised ways... he thought how well this golden civilisation compared with his own England, with its sickly people and massive child death rate....

He thought, "There's got to be a law against this!  This is a place worth invading!"....



They come down from good old England,
In a battered collier ship,
The petrol sniffers sittin' round,
Just didn't give a sniff.
Surf cleared and a voice came,
"Aye, this place look all right!
I think I'll get King George
To declare him a Convict Site!"
Dead Falken Easy!

Hey there Mr Koori man, 'ow ya goin' bloke?
Nice country you got 'ere,
Ey, mate ya wanna smoke?
I'm yer brand new neighbour
We're gonna settle here,
We gotta lotta grog on board,
An' lotsa damned good beer.

I know that we ain't leavin',
An' you got nowhere ta go,
Don't have to be no reason,
But ye're gonna have ta go,
Cause we'll never get used,
To living next door to Abos...

(Abos?  who the falk are Abos?)

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear.

You have a very poor understanding of our nation's history if you think that.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:36pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise.

Not very inclusive is it....Why would anyone expect Aboriginal people to accept the arrival of British colonials as something to celebrate....Do you celebrate NAiDOC week Mr Hammer???

:-? :-? :-?

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear.

The British did not bring the land to build the road on either....What is your point???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Not very inclusive is it....Why would anyone expect Aboriginal people to accept the arrival of British colonials as something to celebrate....Do you celebrate NAiDOC week Mr Hammer??? :-? :-? :-?

It's the constant "us and them" that gets me. As though we're going to get anywhere at all with that kind of "thinking".

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:55pm:

What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people.

Generalisation, assumption, agenda-driven attempt to turn the tables....

Try again....


"What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are  anyone is being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people.

No mountain yields to a climber with a one-ended rope...Confuzeyez.

No team made up of one side ever co-operates to reach a solution - Confuzeyez.

All you yay-sayers are achieving is alienation and radicalisation of those you choose to be some mythical 'opposition' against Aboriginals when all they are saying is that a demand to change Australia Day is nonsense and does nothing to help Koons.

Give in to a silly demand like this, and on and on it will go... endlessly.

Start saying NO.

God give the Kaffirs the strength to change what they need to, the ability to ignore what they cannot change and that which will make no difference to their situation, and the wisdom to know the difference.

condescension and sarcasm is the way to go mothballs--listen up all

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Not very inclusive is it....Why would anyone expect Aboriginal people to accept the arrival of British colonials as something to celebrate....Do you celebrate NAiDOC week Mr Hammer??? :-? :-? :-?

I don't expect them to follow it. Nor do I suggest they follow the other suggestion (federation date). That's why they have their own week which I'm excluded from. It's just a historical fact which is controversial because it's the day when this landmass changed and now supports us. Surely that's worth celebrating. Aboriginal history hasn't done that for you, has it? Go sit on your lounge with a plate of prawns, a can of beer and ponder that.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:00pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear. You have a very poor understanding of our nation's history if you think that.

I have a very good idea . It's you that is lacking.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:06pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:05pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Not very inclusive is it....Why would anyone expect Aboriginal people to accept the arrival of British colonials as something to celebrate....Do you celebrate NAiDOC week Mr Hammer??? :-? :-? :-? It's the constant "us and them" that gets me. As though we're going to get anywhere at all with that kind of "thinking".

you see guys take a leaf- sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but dont let that get in the way of a good putdown

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. Generalisation, assumption, agenda-driven attempt to turn the tables.... Try again.... "What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are  anyone is being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. No mountain yields to a climber with a one-ended rope...Confuzeyez. No team made up of one side ever co-operates to reach a solution - Confuzeyez. All you yay-sayers are achieving is alienation and radicalisation of those you choose to be some mythical 'opposition' against Aboriginals when all they are saying is that a demand to change Australia Day is nonsense and does nothing to help Koons. Give in to a silly demand like this, and on and on it will go... endlessly. Start saying NO. God give the Kaffirs the strength to change what they need to, the ability to ignore what they cannot change and that which will make no difference to their situation, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Went completely over your head i see.

Never mind. I expected it to. It was more about you than to you.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:10pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. Generalisation, assumption, agenda-driven attempt to turn the tables.... Try again.... "What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are  anyone is being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. No mountain yields to a climber with a one-ended rope...Confuzeyez. No team made up of one side ever co-operates to reach a solution - Confuzeyez. All you yay-sayers are achieving is alienation and radicalisation of those you choose to be some mythical 'opposition' against Aboriginals when all they are saying is that a demand to change Australia Day is nonsense and does nothing to help Koons. Give in to a silly demand like this, and on and on it will go... endlessly. Start saying NO. God give the Kaffirs the strength to change what they need to, the ability to ignore what they cannot change and that which will make no difference to their situation, and the wisdom to know the difference. Went completely over your head i see. Never mind. I expected it to. It was more about you than to you.

see there is is again- never fails

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:10pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. Generalisation, assumption, agenda-driven attempt to turn the tables.... Try again.... "What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are  anyone is being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. No mountain yields to a climber with a one-ended rope...Confuzeyez. No team made up of one side ever co-operates to reach a solution - Confuzeyez. All you yay-sayers are achieving is alienation and radicalisation of those you choose to be some mythical 'opposition' against Aboriginals when all they are saying is that a demand to change Australia Day is nonsense and does nothing to help Koons. Give in to a silly demand like this, and on and on it will go... endlessly. Start saying NO. God give the Kaffirs the strength to change what they need to, the ability to ignore what they cannot change and that which will make no difference to their situation, and the wisdom to know the difference. Went completely over your head i see. Never mind. I expected it to. It was more about you than to you.

Not my head, love - yours..... you simply do not want to see.....

Besides - "your" "side" of this one-sided demand (it's not a debate) has already said that even changing the date or the name won't satisfy them.  Ergo - if the actual date and name is irrelevant - why are we even discussing this?  all they've done is prove that no matter how much government raises it arse to be rooted to suit them, they will just keep on and on..... better to say NO now and mean it, like with any other recalcitrant children.

No need to send in the troopers mounted on their thoroughbreds - just say NO and mean it.

So the entire non-issue is best simply ignored....  I can argue reason and sense with you all night - but I don't wish to... you are defeated but insist on a zombie life for your non-argument.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

Not my head, love - yours..... you simply do not want to see..... Besides - "your" "side" of this one-sided demand (it's not a debate) has already said that even changing the date or the name won't satisfy them.  Ergo - if the actual date and name is irrelevant - why are we even discussing this?  all they've done is prove that no matter how much government raises it arse to be rooted to suit them, they will just keep on and on..... better to say NO now and mean it, like with any other recalcitrant children. No need to send in the troopers mounted on their thoroughbreds - just say NO and mean it. So the entire non-issue is best simply ignored....  I can argue reason and sense with you all night - but I don't wish to... you are defeated but insist on a zombie life for your non-argument.

Absolutely none of that has anything to do with what i said.

See? Completely oblivious.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:18pm: Not my head, love - yours..... you simply do not want to see..... Besides - "your" "side" of this one-sided demand (it's not a debate) has already said that even changing the date or the name won't satisfy them.  Ergo - if the actual date and name is irrelevant - why are we even discussing this?  all they've done is prove that no matter how much government raises it arse to be rooted to suit them, they will just keep on and on..... better to say NO now and mean it, like with any other recalcitrant children. No need to send in the troopers mounted on their thoroughbreds - just say NO and mean it. So the entire non-issue is best simply ignored....  I can argue reason and sense with you all night - but I don't wish to... you are defeated but insist on a zombie life for your non-argument. Absolutely none of that has anything to do with what i said. See? Completely oblivious.

sarcasm is the lowest form of wit mothballs is that all you got?

"What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are (corrected to anyone is to encompass equal treatment) being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. "

a)  You have difficulty in seeing that you posted a totally one-sided statement

b)  you are incapable of encompassing genuinely equal treatment in your comments, but insist on taking one 'side' over another based on assumptions about the 'side' which you wish to disparage.

c) It is therefore obvious that you have no intention of actually pursuing equal treatment for all, but are dedicated instead to putting down one "side"* as proclaimed by your side, to somehow seek benefit for your side.

That's like saying antifa had some absolute right to protest and riot etc, but those wishing to protest defacing Robert E Lee's statue were just Nazis and had no rights at all..... frankly in a democracy and an egalitarian society - your lack of genuine reasoning is bizarre.

* note that the use of inverted commas denotes a fictional side, and the lack of use of inverted commas elsewhere indicates the adoption of a side without any reference to anyone else... one side clapping its hands to its head...

++what is the sound of one self-appointed and solitary side clapping its hands to its head in dismay?

whaaaaaaaa++

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:25pm:

"What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are (corrected to anyone is to encompass equal treatment) being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. " a)  You have difficulty in seeing that you posted a totally one-sided statement b)  you are incapable of encompassing genuinely equal treatment in your comments, but insist on taking one 'side' over another based on assumptions about the 'side' which you wish to disparage. c) It is therefore obvious that you have no intention of actually pursuing equal treatment for all, but are dedicated instead to putting down one "side"* as proclaimed by your side, to somehow seek benefit for your side. That's like saying antifa had some absolute right to protest and riot etc, but those wishing to protest defacing Robert E Lee's statue were just Nazis and had no rights at all..... frankly in a democracy and an egalitarian society - your lack of genuine reasoning is bizarre. * note that the use of inverted commas denotes a fictional side, and the lack of use of inverted commas elsewhere indicates the adoption of a side without any reference to anyone else... one side clapping its hands to its head... ++what is the sound of one self-appointed and solitary side clapping its hands to its head in dismay? whaaaaaaaa++

They have a thing against white people Grappler. Particularly against males of British descent for some silly reason. Probably because it's trendy amongst their leftie cohorts all over the leftie world.

No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime.

Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved.

And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it.

Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:35pm: grap, your rambling. If you think there is only one side of the argument then you're not listening. Stop playing victim and listen . At your age you should know how to do that by now. Not my fault that English is your second language, John.... not rambling at all.. very much on the mark.... Now refute what I say if you can... Who is beating up on Aboriginals these days?  Who is threatening to burn their civilisation to the ground if their demands aren't met?  Who is blocking off entire sections of the nation's national treasures to Aboriginals? Bizarre that you even attempt to label any opposition as 'playing the victim'... Jesus, man - where have you been during your holiday?  Like phil, you mostly had some sense.. this is a serious blind spot for both of you...

no, you are rambling. However it's typical of the nutters on here to claim the only reason one doesn't agree with them is because they don't understand English. English is my FIRST language Grap. I understood perfectly. It was a load of poo when you said it and it's aload of poo now.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Its AUSTRALIA day, not western white man day. Start your own if you want your own day. Thank you for your support... I agree with Mr Hammer's sentiment....

that's because you're just as big a fool as he is.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:37pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:36pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? They have their own week. NAIDOC Week. They have theirs and we have ours. That's a good compromise. Its AUSTRALIA day, not western white man day. Start your own if you want your own day. It's the day when Australia started being what it is today. And I'm afraid that seed was planted  by the British. Don't blame me because that puts a bee up your ass. It's just reality. Come to terms with it.

No it wasn't. There was no country known as Australia back then. Learn your history.

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 1:55pm: What never fails to amuse me is that members of this forum who so loudly and aggressively condemn any suggestion that "white men are being portrayed by the worst examples of their kind" are so quick to do exactly that to every other group of people. How? By telling the truth? The roads you drive on weren't brought here by the aborigines dear.

you only have roads because  the Romans showed you how to build them. Given your logic, Australia day should be the same as the Italian National day. :D :D

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:36pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:32pm: No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it. Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra?

she's talking about you guys on this forum .... how else would you describe you and Grap? Yellow?

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 3:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:36pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:32pm: No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it. Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra? she's talking about you guys on this forum .... how else would you describe you and Grap? Yellow?

I call BS - I always place YOUR and other's one-sided remarks in the context of equal treatment for all - never once do I cry 'victim'.. the 'victim crying' is the Aboriginal contingent whining about a day of European settlement arrival 231 years ago...

Your not so subtle attempt to play the shame game, by inferring that any discussion of very real grievances for men and boys in this day and age is somehow 'whinging' and 'playing the victim', does not work.

I don't call wogs wogs, or darkies darkies, or mussos mussos - until they play up.... then they get what they deserve... you treat me with respect and I'll treat you with respect - you make a point of disrespecting me - I'll make a point of disrespecting you. You are a total liar - I always lump nasty types within groups as nasty types, while always saying that most are not like that, and I NEVER say that an entire group, such as Muslims, are all bad.

Kaffir Luvvahs are all bad... but then they can't help it and they usually have zero real experience .... those they claim to Luv are as mixed as any other social group, with good and bad.  I've known good Koons and bad Koons - and never ever have I done anything to any, good or bad.

I WILL, however, openly and freely discuss without fear or favour the very real issues of arbitrary changing of our society and our nation, without consultation with the people.

You'll work it out one day - you are such a bigot and a whiteyophobe and a manophobe.... dumb as dog sh1t.  (you insult me - I'll insult you)...

Christ some of you people need to grow up and confront reality.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 12:02pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:27am: Why doesn't England celebrate the day they were invaded by the Romans and became civilized....Once you answer that you can understand why Aboriginal people do not want to celebrate the invasion of the British....Why would Aboriginal people celebrate having their land taken by foreigners??? :-? :-? :-? This is because Britain was liberated fro Roman Empire and Australia is still part of British Empire. So you support Aboriginal people wanting to liberate themselves from the yoke of colonial rule then??? :-? :-? :-?

Jeez phillis, you are one dumbsh!t..........

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 3:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:36pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:32pm: No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it. Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra? she's talking about you guys on this forum .... how else would you describe you and Grap? Yellow?

Why describe me at all - unless she is bigoted?  And you are both totally wrong on all fronts, and are totally incapable of seeing your own narrow-mindedness and bigotry - like far too many these days, you imagine that claiming the right to words such as bigot, -phobe, or anything else means that your group does not do the same things - but you cannot endure it if it is handed back to you.

mothra is a bigot as are many Black people with their unwarranted casting of all Whites in one group.... same with Mussos and all the others... including Wogs, John.... your lot have been here long enough to grow up and lose that chip on your shoulder....

The bigotry and victimhood and self-righteousnessin this discussion comes from the move to demand a change to Australia Day - not going to happen... and no amount of trying to shift the blame to the real people such as myself will alter that.

Talk about dumb.  I'll never support any idea of any handout to Kaffirs again... no more nothing for whining.... go make your own ways, losers.

No, mothra - you are the snowflake..... always whining about things that do not even involve you... making up issues out of thin air to say you are oppressed etc....   ::)  ::)  ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Why describe me at all

afraid of being held to account for what you say?


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

And you are both totally wrong on all fronts

no, it is you who is wrong. Australia day is supposed to be for ALL Australians, not just while anglos.

If the govt. decided to hold Australia day on 30 June, I doubt you'd feel any less about celebrating it. You'd still be proud to be Australian wouldn't you? That a percentage of Australians have a problem with this particular day is not something you need to feel threatened about. It's not just whinging. It's the anniversary of when they were invaded. 


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

including Wogs, John.... your lot have been here long enough to grow up and lose that chip on your shoulder...

that's because the racism has since moved on from wogs Grap. It's been a long time since anyone has ever used the term to my face. Since I was a kid it went to Vietnamese, Chinese, and it's now targeted at muslims. There were probably one or two in the middle that I've missed. Aborigines have been in the cross hairs the whole time.

Why the need to target anyone Grap. Everyone's concerns are valid. Jan 26 was the day they were invaded. You can argue you bought civilization to them, built roads and all the other bullshit excuses you want to obfuscate that fact. But the fact remains that Jan 26 is the day they were invaded. Being Australian isn't about being a white pom. Not to me, not to about 50 percent of the population.

What exactly is wrong with everyone, including aborigines, celebrating Australia day anyway Grap? What are you afraid off?

Isn't it time for one of you whingers to try the dead zombie argument line that somehow those who are totally uninterested in changing Australia Day are 'afraid of change'... thus attempting to belittle their lack of concern over this non-issue and their resentment at being dragged into a non-discussion of a non-issue?

YOU are the aggressors here... you are the whingers .. you are the ones demanding .....

What change?   Nothing to see here....  If you don't like it - suck it up.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 3:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:29pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:36pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:32pm: No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it. Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra? she's talking about you guys on this forum .... how else would you describe you and Grap? Yellow? I call BS - I always place YOUR and other's one-sided remarks in the context of equal treatment for all - never once do I cry 'victim'.. the 'victim crying' is the Aboriginal contingent whining about a day of European settlement arrival 231 years ago... Your not so subtle attempt to play the shame game, by inferring that any discussion of very real grievances for men and boys in this day and age is somehow 'whinging' and 'playing the victim', does not work. I don't call wogs wogs, or darkies darkies, or mussos mussos - until they play up.... then they get what they deserve... you treat me with respect and I'll treat you with respect - you make a point of disrespecting me - I'll make a point of disrespecting you. You are a total liar - I always lump nasty types within groups as nasty types, while always saying that most are not like that, and I NEVER say that an entire group, such as Muslims, are all bad. Kaffir Luvvahs are all bad... but then they can't help it and they usually have zero real experience .... those they claim to Luv are as mixed as any other social group, with good and bad.  I've known good Koons and bad Koons - and never ever have I done anything to any, good or bad. I WILL, however, openly and freely discuss without fear or favour the very real issues of arbitrary changing of our society and our nation, without consultation with the people. You'll work it out one day - you are such a bigot and a whiteyophobe and a manophobe.... dumb as dog sh1t.  (you insult me - I'll insult you)... Christ some of you people need to grow up and confront reality.

great post grap

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:00pm: Why describe me at all afraid of being held to account for what you say? Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:00pm: And you are both totally wrong on all fronts no, it is you who is wrong. Australia day is supposed to be for ALL Australians, not just while anglos. If the govt. decided to hold Australia day on 30 June, I doubt you'd feel any less about celebrating it. and those wanting change have already said that will not change their demandsYou'd still be proud to be Australian wouldn't you? That a percentage of Australians have a problem with this particular day is not something you need to feel threatened about even consider. It's not just whinging. It's the anniversary of when they were invaded Europeans arrived 231 years ago and they had no concept then of land ownership or invasion and were not a natgion, and it was not an invasion, it was a small settlement.  No need for them to feel threatened by the celebration of the establishment of a tiny settlement.  As usual, you've got it backwards - on purpose. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:00pm: including Wogs, John.... your lot have been here long enough to grow up and lose that chip on your shoulder... that's because the racism has since moved on from wogs Grap. It's been a long time since anyone has ever used the term to my face. Since I was a kid it went to Vietnamese, Chinese, and it's now targeted at muslims. There were probably one or two in the middle that I've missed. Aborigines have been in the cross hairs the whole time. Why the need to target anyone Grap. I don't target anyone - I respond to insults and name-calling and bigotry and all my comments are fair and balanced - I only criticise the wrongdoers - in this case the whiners and demanders. Everyone's concerns are valid Once you grasp that everyone means everyone and not just a whining group, you'v e got that right. Jan 26 was the day they were invaded. a small settlement was established.You can argue you bought civilization to them, built roads and all the other bullshit excuses you want to obfuscate that fact. But the fact remains that Jan 26 is the day they were invaded. Being Australian isn't about being a white pom. Not to me, not to about 50 percent of the population.  Then why do YOU draw the distinction - I never have??  And I'm not a Pom - Irish, Scottish and German. What exactly is wrong with everyone, including aborigines, celebrating Australia day anyway Grap? What are you afraid off? Always said they should... so what is your argument and why don't they?  They don't want to?  Fine - just leave the rest alone and respect their rights.

Still totally wrong, John, in every way.

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

Why the need to target anyone Grap. Everyone's concerns are valid. Jan 26 was the day they were invaded. You can argue you bought civilization to them, built roads and all the other bullshit excuses you want to obfuscate that fact. But the fact remains that Jan 26 is the day they were invaded. Being Australian isn't about being a white pom. Not to me, not to about 50 percent of the population. What exactly is wrong with everyone, including aborigines, celebrating Australia day anyway Grap? What are you afraid off?

No, not everyone's concerns are valid. Just because you have a foot doesn't mean that you know how to make a shoe.


Australia IS made by the Brits, it's obvious. That's what makes it desirable to wogs of all description. nobody migrates here for the didgeridoo and dreamtime.

You can't 'invade' the Stone Age.  This 'inavasion' BS is going mindlessly way too far. Abos and their supporters should protest in a pre-1788 way. It's absolutely hypocritical for them to use all the British institution, the English language, all the European invention to protest about HAVING access to European invention, the English language and the British political and legal system.


What would make you happy? Everyonee being really down on 26 Jan, everyone really regretting what Australia is, everyone being really guilty about everything? What? What do you WANT? What will tell you that your stupid shouting has achieved your aims? What ARE your aims?

You have no clue.You and the thousands like you just want to kvetch, complain and be patted on the back for your moral preening. Your bellyaching is the aim, and having bellyached, you have no more thought for it until this time next year.

Bwianesque turdishness.i

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 3:29pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:36pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 2:32pm: No Grap ... you're a snowflake about any suggestion that men be criticised, preferring to think of the white man as the primary victim of today's clime. Yet you're a colossal bigot who  routinely lumps other demographics into homogeneous blobs and hold the entire group accountable for the worst actions of the worst behaved. And the kicker is, you'll never see it, let alone admit it. Why do you always bang on about white males all of the time Mothra? she's talking about you guys on this forum .... how else would you describe you and Grap? Yellow?

Patriotic. Not a termite like you. You are obviously  2nd gen or 3rd generation who can't handle that our British ancestry created something that you now live off. Nice  way to say thanks?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 3:53pm:

I don't call wogs wogs, or darkies darkies, or mussos mussos - until they play up.... then they get what they deserve... you treat me with respect and I'll treat you with respect - you make a point of disrespecting me - I'll make a point of disrespecting you. You are a total liar - I always lump nasty types within groups as nasty types, while always saying that most are not like that, and I NEVER say that an entire group, such as Muslims, are all bad. Kaffir Luvvahs are all bad... but then they can't help it and they usually have zero real experience .... those they claim to Luv are as mixed as any other social group, with good and bad.  I've known good Koons and bad Koons - and never ever have I done anything to any, good or bad. I WILL, however, openly and freely discuss without fear or favour the very real issues of arbitrary changing of our society and our nation, without consultation with the people. You'll work it out one day - you are such a bigot and a whiteyophobe and a manophobe.... dumb as dog sh1t.  (you insult me - I'll insult you)... Christ some of you people need to grow up and confront reality.

Thank you for so eloquently proving my point.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:02pm:

No, mothra - you are the snowflake..... always whining about things that do not even involve you... making up issues out of thin air to say you are oppressed etc....   ::)  ::)  ::)

Not me holding my breath until i turn blue over a shaving ad.

I have often thought   wotif... Capt Cook had been YELLOW.. ::) ::) ::)

think for one minute would   our aboriginal friends  dare to celebrate a Chinese National Day 


with an anti march.. :( :( :( :(

I believe our chums are very fortunate they do what they do... without any confrontation from the white guy.... :( :( :(

not sure how long that will last.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 5:56pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:02pm: No, mothra - you are the snowflake..... always whining about things that do not even involve you... making up issues out of thin air to say you are oppressed etc....   ::)  ::)  ::) Not me holding my breath until i turn blue over a shaving ad.

Who is?  Just another laughable piece of feminist bullshit that will end up where it belongs - the garbage heap of humanity.  Given enough attention to rubbish it as it deserves and then forgotten as it should be... it's not me hanging on to it...... look in that mirror... you brought it up .....

What's shocking about is the people who made it think it has real meaning........

Now stick to the subject you lost, and stop going after the man - he'll best you at every turn - that's what Old White Men do best....

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 5:56pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:02pm: No, mothra - you are the snowflake..... always whining about things that do not even involve you... making up issues out of thin air to say you are oppressed etc....   ::)  ::)  ::) Not me holding my breath until i turn blue over a shaving ad.

Disagreeing with it is holding ones breath until they turn blue? This is the sort of hyperbole we have come to expect from you.

Now as Grap has put forward, two ends to a rope, marching, protesting and holding their breath until they turn blue... But that's OK.

cods wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:02pm:

I have often thought   wotif... Capt Cook had been YELLOW.. ::) ::) ::) think for one minute would   our aboriginal friends  dare to celebrate a Chinese National Day  with an anti march.. :( :( :( :( I believe our chums are very fortunate they do what they do... without any confrontation from the white guy.... :( :( :( not sure how long that will last.

Roll out the tanks on Broadway,
Drop paratroops on Macca Square,
We're gonna stomp 'em, club 'em, romp in,
The Abos are marching there....."

Yeah - that nasty oppressive Whart guy indulges his children - White Man's Burden to bring civilisation to those without any .... first the Kaffirs, then the uni students....

I'w waiting still for the outbreak of WAR - I want the popcorn and beer franchises while watching Blackie cop a hiding.... I don't take sides.. but if someone sets off a brawl, it's on their own head(s)......

Maybe we need to make it into an annual competition... like the NRL.... the AHKL - Australian Head Kicking League.... men's and women's comps...

It's a fabulous evening down here at the Grapplerdome for the inaugural Race of Origin match....preparation has been enormous in the buildup to this match, with the Black Canvasbacks fielding a formidable lineup against the White Rompastompers ... tomorrow night's match will be between the Asiatic Slopers and the Ethnic Barbarians..... the losers of these matches will face off in the final next week.... the winners will face off the following night, and the winners of those matches will meet in the Grand Final....

Again for the slow to understand, you resist and aggressively fight any suggestion that men be in any way associated with the worst of the behaviour of men.

Right?

You're forever moaning about it.

Yet you happily relegate every other demographic to the least of their behaviour.

It's quite amusing to watch.

Not as amusing as watching you flail around the point and run off into all sorts of rabid tangents ... that's gold!

double post

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:56pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:02pm: No, mothra - you are the snowflake..... always whining about things that do not even involve you... making up issues out of thin air to say you are oppressed etc....   ::)  ::)  ::) Not me holding my breath until i turn blue over a shaving ad. Disagreeing with it is holding ones breath until they turn blue? This is the sort of hyperbole we have come to expect from you. Now as Grap has put forward, two ends to a rope, marching, protesting and holding their breath until they turn blue... But that's OK.

Yes. men being fabulously represented. How awful for you all.

I was originally in favour of changing the day.
Its only a Sydneycentric thing.
But my friends who are indigenous did not think it was a good idea.
Plus imagine what the mullet wearing bogans would do.

people would still have Australia Day on the same date no matter what the government does.

On another angle .

At a time when democracy and rule of law is probably at its lowest ebb for some time, we should be holding on to our heritage which was based on British traditions.

Have a look at Africa, how many countries have decent governments honestly elected, have a look at gangster rule buy the gun and murder in Russia.
China is ruled by faceless non democratic means.
There are not many truly democratic countries in the world where the rule of law is upheld.

Australian Aboriginal people have accidently inherited one of the best forms of government available.
They have succeeded in plenty of legal battles,,, which they would have been shot for in many other countries.

Its also time to use technology and set a limit on who is and who isn't aboriginal.
We have 99% British people complaining they were invaded by the British.

It may not be polite, but its time.

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Again for the slow to understand, you resist and aggressively fight any suggestion that men be in any way associated with the worst of the behaviour of men. Right? You're forever moaning about it. Yet you happily relegate every other demographic to the least of their behaviour. It's quite amusing to watch. Not as amusing as watching you flail around the point and run off into all sorts of rabid tangents ... that's gold!

Noted and answered.... move on... if you were dealing in genuine equal treatment you would not single out Whart men.... Koons, Niggrahs, Slopes, Rag-heads, Wet-Backs and all such have their fair share of baddies.. even Wops and Wogs and Spicks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k

You're the one on tangents, Honey - you raised the Gillette Joke for everyone to pull to bits....

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Again for the slow to understand, you resist and aggressively fight any suggestion that men be in any way associated with the worst of the behaviour of men. Right? You're forever moaning about it. Yet you happily relegate every other demographic to the least of their behaviour. It's quite amusing to watch. Not as amusing as watching you flail around the point and run off into all sorts of rabid tangents ... that's gold!

Not at all, what you fail to understand is all people by group have bad behaviour within them. What people are saying is only taking one group, white men, and using them as an example of "toxic masculinity", is not particularly even handed. Look at black American gangsta culture, rap music, the worst kind of toxic masculinity. Yet in the examples in the ad it was using black men to stop white men showing their toxic masculinity by saying something as mild as "smile sweety". Look at the BBQ line. Why not choose rap culture as it target? Would you like some lyrics to show my point?

Maybe you don't see that part of the message or choose not to.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Again for the slow to understand, you resist and aggressively fight any suggestion that men be in any way associated with the worst of the behaviour of men. Right? You're forever moaning about it. Yet you happily relegate every other demographic to the least of their behaviour. It's quite amusing to watch. Not as amusing as watching you flail around the point and run off into all sorts of rabid tangents ... that's gold! Noted and answered.... move on... if you were dealing in genuine equal treatment you would not single out Whart men.... Koons, Niggrahs, Slopes, Rag-heads, Wet-Backs and all such have their fair share of baddies.. even Wops and Wogs and Spicks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k You're the one on tangents, Honey - you raised the Gillette Joke for everyone to pull to bits....

Err Grap, you're a white man. Is there some other way you would prefer me to refer to you as?

And no, i'm on excellent footing.

A Gillette ad sends you off in paroxysms of rage because you don't want to be associated with the worst of your gender.

Yet you routinely, and even aggressively defend, your right to refer to all other demographics as homogenous blobs. And be as offensive about it as possible and then taunt them when they take offence.

You're ridiculous. It's well known.

Support on this forum is not actually indicative of community support, just so you know.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

Isn't it time for one of you whingers to try the dead zombie argument line that somehow those who are totally uninterested in changing Australia Day are 'afraid of change'... thus attempting to belittle their lack of concern over this non-issue and their resentment at being dragged into a non-discussion of a non-issue? YOU are the aggressors here... you are the whingers .. you are the ones demanding ..... What change?   Nothing to see here....  If you don't like it - suck it up.

what a load of rubbish. If you don't like something suck it up? How dense do you have to be to make a comment like that?  Imagine if everyone throughout history sucked it up instead of trying to change things. You'd still be eating your masters scraps of the kitchen floor with no rights whatsoever.



Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

and those wanting change have already said that will not change their demands

more rubbish. They want the date changed, It's as simple as that. Chnge the date to one everyone is happy with and they can't complain about the date again can they :D


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

even consider .

but you're not considering it. You're telling them to shut up and be happy that they were invaded.. after all, you bought them 'civilization'  ::)


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Europeans arrived 231 years ago and they had no concept then of land ownership or invasion and were not a natgion, and it was not an invasion, it was a small settlement

Tough titties what concept they did or didn't have then. The English forced the concept of land ownership onto them. Now that they use that concept you want them to ignore it?
And that 'small settlement' was the start of the invasion.


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

No need for them to feel threatened by the celebration of the establishment of a tiny settlement.  As usual, you've got it backwards - on purpose.

small settlement? so why call it Australia day? It should be called 'small settlement day'  :D
I doubt any Australians are celebrating the establishment of a small settlement on Australia day. It's certainly never been mentioned in any Australia day ceremony I've ever attended. Australia day is about celebrating the country as a whole, not just one part or one settlement. Even without the aborigines complaint, the date is wrong  if you want to celebrate an anniversary for Australia day. It should be held on the anniversary of the date the states were federated. That is the day Australia came together as a nation.


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

I don't target anyone

I was using 'you' in the plural form, and not talking about you in particular.


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Then why do YOU draw the distinction

you draw a distinction when you pretend the aborigines complaints are not valid.


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Always said they should... so what is your argument and why don't they?

because it's the anniversary of when they were invaded. You're asking them to pretend that didn't happen and be happy about it. Name one other culture that celebrates the day they were invaded?


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

They don't want to?

Who says they don't want to?  They want to celebrate Australia day, they're just as proud to be Australian as you are. They just can't celebrate on that day.



Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:34pm:

Still totally wrong, John, in every way.

yes, you are., Good of you to admit it.


Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 5:39pm:

Patriotic. Not a termite like you. You are obviously  2nd gen or 3rd generation who can't handle that our British ancestry created something that you now live off. Nice  way to say thanks?

you should celebrate 'Roman day' if thats the case. You must be a termite  If it were up to the brits you'd still be living in a tent and shitting in your drinking water.



Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 5:16pm:

No, not everyone's concerns are valid.

sure they are. You might choose to not agree with their point of view, but pretending it's not valid is just shoving your head up your arse and ignoring reality.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:07am:

People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :)

We are voicing our concerns about he ignorance of the protesters.

freediver wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:07am: People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :) We are voicing our concerns about he ignorance of the protesters.

Protesting what other protesters say? Is that allowed?
Surely protesting what other protesters think is lily livered and racist. Some protesters are right, the rest should be shut down. Freedom of speech, init. How dare people hold dissenting views.

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:14pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:07am: People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :) We are voicing our concerns about he ignorance of the protesters. Protesting what other protesters say? Is that allowed?

So long as they aren't black, apparently. Did anyone think to check?

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:58pm:

What exactly do the protesters want?

"BURN AUSTRALIA TO THE GROUND"



This was one placard slogan, which was being held up, by 'Invasion Day' protest marchers/activists, 2019,
which i saw in a report on SKY TV.

Divisive.

Incitement to violence [for their 'cause' ?].

Incitement to political violence [for their 'cause' ?].



Not, a message of 'bringing our peoples together'.

Not, a message of bringing Australians together.




Q.
Why wouldn't other people who were marching, close by, ask that particular placard holder to stop displaying such a 'suggestive' sign ?

Q.
Would such a request have seemed too unreasonable to make, considering the 'occasion' and their own 'companions' ?




I could not find any media image of the particular placard....

IMAGE.....
https://data.junkee.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Australia-Day-protests-Sydney.jpg

But one this displays, well enough, what the 'progressives' want to promote.



Community division.




.




Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1548550507/3#3

Quote:

The Aboriginal peoples don't feel like 'Australians'. The Aboriginal peoples don't want to be 'Australians'. Clearly, what indigenous peoples, 2019, want, is to assert that they are a separate people, and that they are being oppressed by all of those peoples who invaded their nations. [submissions to that affect, have been submitted to the United Nations Assembly.] AND THE ABORIGINAL PEOPLE OF THIS CONTINENT, ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT,       ANY MORE!!!!

Newsflash:

Bantu Africans say they have owned Africa for over 100,000 years!
That's 40-60,000 years longer than Aboriginals owning Australia as the First Australians (as long as they don't find Hominid skeletons).

Looks like Africa is the official 'Black' Land  ;)

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:14pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:07am: People have every right to protest and voice their concerns about the future of their country....The abuse and derogatory comments about Aboriginal people is disgusting and shows what a bunch of racist wankers you right wing ass holes are!!! :) :) :) We are voicing our concerns about he ignorance of the protesters. Protesting what other protesters say? Is that allowed? Surely protesting what other protesters think is lily livered and racist. Some protesters are right, the rest should be shut down. Freedom of speech, init. How dare people hold dissenting views.

Surely this isn't right, and should not be permitted !

There should be a law against it!

/sarc off

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:25pm: Isn't it time for one of you whingers to try the dead zombie argument line that somehow those who are totally uninterested in changing Australia Day are 'afraid of change'... thus attempting to belittle their lack of concern over this non-issue and their resentment at being dragged into a non-discussion of a non-issue? YOU are the aggressors here... you are the whingers .. you are the ones demanding ..... What change?   Nothing to see here....  If you don't like it - suck it up. what a load of rubbish. If you don't like something suck it up? How dense do you have to be to make a comment like that?  Imagine if everyone throughout history sucked it up instead of trying to change things. You'd still be eating your masters scraps of the kitchen floor with no rights whatsoever. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: and those wanting change have already said that will not change their demands more rubbish. They want the date changed, It's as simple as that. Chnge the date to one everyone is happy with and they can't complain about the date again can they :D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: even consider . but you're not considering it. You're telling them to shut up and be happy that they were invaded.. after all, you bought them 'civilization'  ::) Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Europeans arrived 231 years ago and they had no concept then of land ownership or invasion and were not a natgion, and it was not an invasion, it was a small settlement Tough titties what concept they did or didn't have then. The English forced the concept of land ownership onto them. Now that they use that concept you want them to ignore it? And that 'small settlement' was the start of the invasion. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: No need for them to feel threatened by the celebration of the establishment of a tiny settlement.  As usual, you've got it backwards - on purpose. small settlement? so why call it Australia day? It should be called 'small settlement day'  :D I doubt any Australians are celebrating the establishment of a small settlement on Australia day. It's certainly never been mentioned in any Australia day ceremony I've ever attended. Australia day is about celebrating the country as a whole, not just one part or one settlement. Even without the aborigines complaint, the date is wrong  if you want to celebrate an anniversary for Australia day. It should be held on the anniversary of the date the states were federated. That is the day Australia came together as a nation. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: I don't target anyone I was using 'you' in the plural form, and not talking about you in particular. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Then why do YOU draw the distinction you draw a distinction when you pretend the aborigines complaints are not valid. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Always said they should... so what is your argument and why don't they? because it's the anniversary of when they were invaded. You're asking them to pretend that didn't happen and be happy about it. Name one other culture that celebrates the day they were invaded? Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: They don't want to?  Who says they don't want to?  They want to celebrate Australia day, they're just as proud to be Australian as you are. They just can't celebrate on that day. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Still totally wrong, John, in every way. yes, you are., Good of you to admit it. Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:39pm: Patriotic. Not a termite like you. You are obviously  2nd gen or 3rd generation who can't handle that our British ancestry created something that you now live off. Nice  way to say thanks? you should celebrate 'Roman day' if thats the case. You must be a termite  If it were up to the brits you'd still be living in a tent and shitting in your drinking water. Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:16pm: No, not everyone's concerns are valid. sure they are. You might choose to not agree with their point of view, but pretending it's not valid is just shoving your head up your arse and ignoring reality.

Nonsense... you're raving.....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:44pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:25pm: Isn't it time for one of you whingers to try the dead zombie argument line that somehow those who are totally uninterested in changing Australia Day are 'afraid of change'... thus attempting to belittle their lack of concern over this non-issue and their resentment at being dragged into a non-discussion of a non-issue? YOU are the aggressors here... you are the whingers .. you are the ones demanding ..... What change?   Nothing to see here....  If you don't like it - suck it up. what a load of rubbish. If you don't like something suck it up? How dense do you have to be to make a comment like that?  Imagine if everyone throughout history sucked it up instead of trying to change things. You'd still be eating your masters scraps of the kitchen floor with no rights whatsoever. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: and those wanting change have already said that will not change their demands more rubbish. They want the date changed, It's as simple as that. Chnge the date to one everyone is happy with and they can't complain about the date again can they :D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: even consider . but you're not considering it. You're telling them to shut up and be happy that they were invaded.. after all, you bought them 'civilization'  ::) Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Europeans arrived 231 years ago and they had no concept then of land ownership or invasion and were not a natgion, and it was not an invasion, it was a small settlement Tough titties what concept they did or didn't have then. The English forced the concept of land ownership onto them. Now that they use that concept you want them to ignore it? And that 'small settlement' was the start of the invasion. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: No need for them to feel threatened by the celebration of the establishment of a tiny settlement.  As usual, you've got it backwards - on purpose. small settlement? so why call it Australia day? It should be called 'small settlement day'  :D I doubt any Australians are celebrating the establishment of a small settlement on Australia day. It's certainly never been mentioned in any Australia day ceremony I've ever attended. Australia day is about celebrating the country as a whole, not just one part or one settlement. Even without the aborigines complaint, the date is wrong  if you want to celebrate an anniversary for Australia day. It should be held on the anniversary of the date the states were federated. That is the day Australia came together as a nation. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: I don't target anyone I was using 'you' in the plural form, and not talking about you in particular. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Then why do YOU draw the distinction you draw a distinction when you pretend the aborigines complaints are not valid. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Always said they should... so what is your argument and why don't they? because it's the anniversary of when they were invaded. You're asking them to pretend that didn't happen and be happy about it. Name one other culture that celebrates the day they were invaded? Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: They don't want to?  Who says they don't want to?  They want to celebrate Australia day, they're just as proud to be Australian as you are. They just can't celebrate on that day. Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:34pm: Still totally wrong, John, in every way. yes, you are., Good of you to admit it. Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:39pm: Patriotic. Not a termite like you. You are obviously  2nd gen or 3rd generation who can't handle that our British ancestry created something that you now live off. Nice  way to say thanks? you should celebrate 'Roman day' if thats the case. You must be a termite  If it were up to the brits you'd still be living in a tent and shitting in your drinking water. Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:16pm: No, not everyone's concerns are valid. sure they are. You might choose to not agree with their point of view, but pretending it's not valid is just shoving your head up your arse and ignoring reality. Nonsense... you're raving.....

run away old man

mothra wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:17pm: mothra wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 6:07pm: Again for the slow to understand, you resist and aggressively fight any suggestion that men be in any way associated with the worst of the behaviour of men. Right? You're forever moaning about it. Yet you happily relegate every other demographic to the least of their behaviour. It's quite amusing to watch. Not as amusing as watching you flail around the point and run off into all sorts of rabid tangents ... that's gold! Noted and answered.... move on... if you were dealing in genuine equal treatment you would not single out Whart men.... Koons, Niggrahs, Slopes, Rag-heads, Wet-Backs and all such have their fair share of baddies.. even Wops and Wogs and Spicks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k You're the one on tangents, Honey - you raised the Gillette Joke for everyone to pull to bits.... Err Grap, you're a white man. Is there some other way you would prefer me to refer to you as? And no, i'm on excellent footing. A Gillette ad sends you off in paroxysms of rage because you don't want to be associated with the worst of your gender. Yet you routinely, and even aggressively defend, your right to refer to all other demographics as homogenous blobs. And be as offensive about it as possible and then taunt them when they take offence. You're ridiculous. It's well known. Support on this forum is not actually indicative of community support, just so you know.

MAN is sufficient for all such... paroxysms of laughter is the reality...

SHOW me where I've said that ALL Koons, Lebos, Mussos, Slopes, Niggrahs, Chinks, WetBacks, and such are bad....

I have always said that while some are bad within any group - not all are like that - with the exception of feminists... that's what's got up your nose....

I take the piss out of those groups when they start to play up and throw the piss around... for example, I had no issue with Australia Day and countless posts I've made state clearly that it is for ALL Australians, and if the Koons/Booris refuse to celebrate it as Australians - they can go their own way and give other people RESPECT for celebrating their way.

You don't get to be called a derogatory term by me unless and until you do it to me first... they you take your own medicine...

You for example - are the ultimate bigot, standing four square at all times on ONE side - whereas I stand on the side of ALL who are decent and respectful and who also happen to constitute the majority and expect genuinely equal treatment... not my fault or problem that you and other yay-sayers are simply incapable of understanding equal treatment in the real world, but instead mistake it for getting everything you think you want at any given time... without consideration for anyone else.

See you NEXT Australia Day - 26th January.

We want the date of Mabo Day changed... and NAIDOC Week abolished .. burnt to the ground.... along with all the Aboriginal only things.... and resumption of Ayers Rock for ALL Australians ...

Sow the breeze and reap the whirlwind.... you've created and are creating an alienated and radicalised opposition.... watch this space....

Stoopid is as stoopid does, as they allus say down in Green Bow....  ::)  ::)  ::)

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

"BURN AUSTRALIA TO THE GROUND" This was one placard slogan, which was being held up, by 'Invasion Day' protest marchers/activists, 2019, which i saw in a report on SKY TV. I could not find any media image of the particular placard....

Just comment in media, on TAXPAYER funded activist’s call to ‘burn Australia to the ground’

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IMAGE.....
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/01/48B001A000000578-5323383-image-a-11_1517188160550.jpg

"The 24-year-old - who has been criticised for working for government-funded organisations - said she hoped Australia 'f***ing burns to the ground' "




IMAGE.....
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/09/48B2427300000578-5324283-image-a-12_1517218985223.jpg

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THAT SOUNDS VERY MUCH, LIKE A DECLARATION OF WAR, AGAINST ALL NON-INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS     ???




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5324283/Aboriginal-protest-group-defends-burn-Australia-comments.html

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:25pm: "BURN AUSTRALIA TO THE GROUND" This was one placard slogan, which was being held up, by 'Invasion Day' protest marchers/activists, 2019, which i saw in a report on SKY TV. I could not find any media image of the particular placard.... Just comment in media, on TAXPAYER funded activist’s call to ‘burn Australia to the ground’ -------- > IMAGE..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/01/48B001A000000578-5323383-image-a-11_1517188160550.jpg "The 24-year-old - who has been criticised for working for government-funded organisations - said she hoped Australia 'f***ing burns to the ground' " IMAGE..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/09/48B2427300000578-5324283-image-a-12_1517218985223.jpg < -------- THAT SOUNDS VERY MUCH, LIKE A DECLARATION OF WAR, AGAINST ALL NON-INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS     ??? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5324283/Aboriginal-protest-group-defends-burn-Australia-comments.html

Last year's fish wrapper........ and probably smells the same.... tastes the same..... you have to wonder what that kind of 'activist' is smoking.....  8-)

Dear Mothra - I haven't even mentioned that ridiculous Gillette ad for days.... not worth a mention... you need to do your research more carefully and ensure you throw accusations around accurately..... what ARE you on, dear?  Or does it come naturally to your kind?

Still won't be buying them, BTW.... thanks for reminding me....

AND WHO WILL FUND THEIR WAR AGAINST EVERYONE?

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:32pm: Nonsense... you're raving..... run away old man

There you have it people - the usual John Smith ad hominem... how would you like it if I said run away Wog Boy?  Spiteful like a kid since you cannot take a trick....

When YOU people who run around demanding that things be changed to suit any silly idea you have learn to treat others and their views with respect you'll get somewhere.

In the meantime, the answer to changing Australia Day is NO!

Now run along and play.....  ;D  ;D  ;D

Jasin wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:01pm:

AND WHO WILL FUND THEIR WAR AGAINST EVERYONE?

The Whart Man owes them that much....  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Don't worry Grapps.
John Smith is grooming you, so he can be your milky bar kid in the backstreets of inner city chic.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:08pm:

Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:01pm: AND WHO WILL FUND THEIR WAR AGAINST EVERYONE? The Whart Man owes them that much....  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

If we got the army to shoot everyone without full Aboriginal DNA and then had them shoot themselves who would be left?

Jasin wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Don't worry Grapps. John Smith is grooming you, so he can be your milky bar kid in the backstreets of inner city chic.

He's getting desperate to take a point..... same with Mothra... Gillette ad...   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:08pm: Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:01pm: AND WHO WILL FUND THEIR WAR AGAINST EVERYONE? The Whart Man owes them that much....  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D If we got the army to shoot everyone without full Aboriginal DNA and then had them shoot themselves who would be left?

Who's going to fund the DNA tests?  Put a curfew on Aboriginality - I see people wandering through Forster (shop there) in Aboriginal T-shirts and stuff proclaiming they are such and such - and some are whiter than I am...  if they didn't make an issue of it you would never think they were..

I say you must be over 50% to even get a guernsey.....

I, for one, never thought any of those TV characters were anything of anything - they were just there to me and any Aboriginality never entered my mind...  Stan the Tan etc... I was more interested in what they had to say news wise..... and how they said it....   ::)  ::)  ::)

Setanta wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

Q. If we got the army to shoot everyone without full Aboriginal DNA and then had them shoot themselves who would be left?

A.
!!!!!!   The Indonesians.   !!!!!


Because they wouldn't be as 'progressive' as we anglos were.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

There you have it people - the usual John Smith ad hominem... how would you like it if I said run away Wog Boy?

depends, if you said it because I wrote some dumb comment like 'Nonsense... you're raving', then I concede and would turn of my pc for the night.

I addressed every one of your points. The best you can do is that crap? You were running away. Admit it and stop playing the victim


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

When YOU people who run around demanding that things be changed to suit any silly idea you have learn to treat others and their views with respect you'll get somewhere.

and yet I haven't demanded anything. :D :D


Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

In the meantime, the answer to changing Australia Day is NO!

yes I know your answer .... good thing it's not you who decides. Still, I was hoping you could explain it with something beyond simply 'I'm a poor white victim', which in the end is all your excuses amounted to.

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:25pm: "BURN AUSTRALIA TO THE GROUND" This was one placard slogan, which was being held up, by 'Invasion Day' protest marchers/activists, 2019, which i saw in a report on SKY TV. I could not find any media image of the particular placard.... Just comment in media, on TAXPAYER funded activist’s call to ‘burn Australia to the ground’ -------- > IMAGE..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/01/48B001A000000578-5323383-image-a-11_1517188160550.jpg "The 24-year-old - who has been criticised for working for government-funded organisations - said she hoped Australia 'f***ing burns to the ground' " IMAGE..... https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/29/09/48B2427300000578-5324283-image-a-12_1517218985223.jpg < -------- THAT SOUNDS VERY MUCH, LIKE A DECLARATION OF WAR, AGAINST ALL NON-INDIGENOUS AUSTRALIANS     ??? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5324283/Aboriginal-protest-group-defends-burn-Australia-comments.html

This is the divisive bullshit leftists support.


We should cut the centrelink payments of all people involved with that group since they dislike Australia so much.

There wasn't all this animosity last year, it must be a biannual thing.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

Most of the lads didn't even know it was Australia day.

Nice pic of the Cracka Tinnie tribe

John Smith wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:19pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: There you have it people - the usual John Smith ad hominem... how would you like it if I said run away Wog Boy? depends, if you said it because I wrote some dumb comment like 'Nonsense... you're raving', then I concede and would turn of my pc for the night. I addressed every one of your points. The best you can do is that crap? You were running away. Admit it and stop playing the victim Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: When YOU people who run around demanding that things be changed to suit any silly idea you have learn to treat others and their views with respect you'll get somewhere. and yet I haven't demanded anything. :D :D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: In the meantime, the answer to changing Australia Day is NO! yes I know your answer .... good thing it's not you who decides. Still, I was hoping you could explain it with something beyond simply 'I'm a poor white victim', which in the end is all your excuses amounted to.

I addressed your points - there's their pile of ash over there... and you slagged me.... I expect better from you than a blind adherence to any silly nonsense that comes along dressed up in the robes of righteousness... didn't we teach you Italians well enough in WW II.

Why would one who has benefited so much from Australia want to burn it down and attack its traditions?  Even the Kaffir's own official site doesn't label it 'invasion day'... just some nonsense dreamed up by a few ganja smokers looking for some easy handouts.... paving the way for more 'poor me' demands.... gimme this and gimme that and it'll all go away... you could hand the turkeys back the whole shebang and they'd sill whine... but just like their running dogs the feminists and such, they want only the best bits of it - not the hard bits.

Give us jobs they say - just not as garbos - that's Whartey's work.... educate us, they say - got more scholarships and freebies than any Wharte man and still can't make a go of it ....

Mabo Day - Black Invasion Day - the day the Blacks invaded white property bought, paid and worked for .... very South African/Zimbabwean.... good luck with the revolution...

As that fine lass Angela Davis (look it up) said once - "If they come for me in the morning... they will come for you at night!"   8-)  8-)  8-)

Where's Mothra to give us more of her white wine wisdom?  'Canvasback' Mothra.... always seeking a re-match...  BTW - arguing relentlessly for a change of date for Australia Day is joining the demand, Smith - learn reasoning...

The answer is still NO!

Up to 10,000 - wow - was it 1 or 9,999?   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

John, the Village Idiot, merely mimics pessary and arsie. He hasn't got a coherent argument about anything, he's just monkey boy's little fvvwit from the other side..........

I am wondering if the date is changed 

what these marching warriors will find to whinge about next???

you can bet they wont go away.. :D :D :D

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 8:07am:

I am wondering if the date is changed  what these marching warriors will find to whinge about next??? you can bet they wont go away.. :D :D :D

Some interviewed didn't want the date changed ... they just wanted Australia Day abolished ....

No day called Australia Day ... because that's racist.

You know  ... the usual BS

White privilege (it's use is actually racist)
white Male privilege
toxic masculinity
oppressive patriarchy

blah blah blah ad infinitum.

For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live in Australia as in a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them.
British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes. 
Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened.
It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start.
In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America.
Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 11:31am:

For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat.

All genocides are "terrifying"  ::) ::)

The Indonesians have been carrying one out for the last 54 years .... around 500,000 dead.

Your countrymen have a big interest in & responsibility for that.

US foreign policy has seen continual military  involvement in other countries affairs around the globe for the last 30 years. The worlds Policeman.

And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot?

You're full of it you hypocrite.

Multiculturalism has been a failure.

Gnads wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 11:36am:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure.

We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans.
Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines.
No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil.

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 8:07am:

I am wondering if the date is changed  what these marching warriors will find to whinge about next??? you can bet they wont go away.. :D :D :D

The leftists will find something else to whinge about they are full of negativity.

I wonder if these protestors know about Eddie Mabo and the ramifications of the Native Title Act.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil.

Then carried it on all by yourselves ...........

you just continue to talk hypocrisy & bs.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil.

So the only thing standing in the way of reconciliation is the republican movement getting their way?

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil.

Strange that you are ignorant of the fact that any 'liberation' was at the hand of BRITISH settlers.......you thick bastard. They were only able to get away with it because the British Crown DID NOT value The Americas (apart from Canada) enough to move its forces down from Canada otherwise the rebellion would have been squashed........you really need to go get youself a fvvken education champ.......

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 1:38pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:46am: Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil. Strange that you are ignorant of the fact that any 'liberation' was at the hand of BRITISH settlers.......you thick bastard. They were only able to get away with it because the British Crown DID NOT value The Americas (apart from Canada) enough to move its forces down from Canada otherwise the rebellion would have been squashed........you really need to go get youself a fvvken education champ.......

America fought and defeated British evil and as result of that developed own national and cultural identity and finally became undisputed world power. Australia at the same time has celebrated British history and British genocides on own population, remaining culturally tiny and politically insignificant British colony.

America fought and defeated British evil and as result of that developed own national and cultural identity and finally became undisputed world power. Australia at the same time has celebrated British history and British genocides on own population, remaining culturally tiny and politically insignificant British colony.


And yet still the best they could do was a contest between Trump and Clinton


I will stay with Australia being the winner.

the evil British wanted  to TAX TEA...

so the residence killed instead..

I think I know who the evil ones were....

and as you say  today its between trump and the sour grape mob,   what a hope for that  country....

I wouldnt go there if they paid me too.

cods wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 4:16pm:

the evil British wanted  to TAX TEA...

Dear oh dear, that's a common misconception. It was a protest against tea being sold untaxed by the British.  As a hint about why that might be, think of trade and yankee tea clippers.

Stopped for a beer on the way home today at the club - the Indigene who was next to me playing a pokie didn't seem particularly humiliated... he was just fine and friendly as I am.

This whole deal of 'humiliation' is in the minds of a few malcontents.... not the majority... but of course, if you asked them they'd say, "Oh, yeah!"... might be something in it... and never look a gift horse in the mouth .... most of the 'protestors' were Wharte... any grievance is their grievance as long as they can posture as good guys..... even when they break laws and push cops around and threaten WAR etc...  (DURRRH)...

I tan in summer darker than many of our homegrown Indigenes - gotta get me that DNA test...  Chinese great-granma (it's the eyes, I tell ye) or maybe that NI Indian my mother used to talk about .... was stuck behind a turkey driving today - white as a snowflake (pardon?) ... had South Sydney green and red rabbits with a Koori flag in the middle all over his ute.....  I am darker than he is...

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 3:36pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 1:38pm: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:46am: Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil. Strange that you are ignorant of the fact that any 'liberation' was at the hand of BRITISH settlers.......you thick bastard. They were only able to get away with it because the British Crown DID NOT value The Americas (apart from Canada) enough to move its forces down from Canada otherwise the rebellion would have been squashed........you really need to go get youself a fvvken education champ....... America fought and defeated British evil and as result of that developed own national and cultural identity and finally became undisputed world power. Australia at the same time has celebrated British history and British genocides on own population, remaining culturally tiny and politically insignificant British colony.

The British abolished slavery long before you bastards.  ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 7:28am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:19pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: There you have it people - the usual John Smith ad hominem... how would you like it if I said run away Wog Boy? depends, if you said it because I wrote some dumb comment like 'Nonsense... you're raving', then I concede and would turn of my pc for the night. I addressed every one of your points. The best you can do is that crap? You were running away. Admit it and stop playing the victim Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: When YOU people who run around demanding that things be changed to suit any silly idea you have learn to treat others and their views with respect you'll get somewhere. and yet I haven't demanded anything. :D :D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: In the meantime, the answer to changing Australia Day is NO! yes I know your answer .... good thing it's not you who decides. Still, I was hoping you could explain it with something beyond simply 'I'm a poor white victim', which in the end is all your excuses amounted to. I addressed your points - there's their pile of ash over there... and you slagged me.... I expect better from you than a blind adherence to any silly nonsense that comes along dressed up in the robes of righteousness... didn't we teach you Italians well enough in WW II. Why would one who has benefited so much from Australia want to burn it down and attack its traditions?  Even the Kaffir's own official site doesn't label it 'invasion day'... just some nonsense dreamed up by a few ganja smokers looking for some easy handouts.... paving the way for more 'poor me' demands.... gimme this and gimme that and it'll all go away... you could hand the turkeys back the whole shebang and they'd sill whine... but just like their running dogs the feminists and such, they want only the best bits of it - not the hard bits. Give us jobs they say - just not as garbos - that's Whartey's work.... educate us, they say - got more scholarships and freebies than any Wharte man and still can't make a go of it .... Mabo Day - Black Invasion Day - the day the Blacks invaded white property bought, paid and worked for .... very South African/Zimbabwean.... good luck with the revolution... As that fine lass Angela Davis (look it up) said once - "If they come for me in the morning... they will come for you at night!"   8-)  8-)  8-) Where's Mothra to give us more of her white wine wisdom?  'Canvasback' Mothra.... always seeking a re-match...  BTW - arguing relentlessly for a change of date for Australia Day is joining the demand, Smith - learn reasoning... The answer is still NO!

see, more ranting without dealing with any of the issues. You're going on about WWII, mabo, ,garbo's and mothra for buggers sake. Once upon a time you used to make sense with your posts, now it's just mindless rambling.

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 6:01pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 7:28am: John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:19pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: There you have it people - the usual John Smith ad hominem... how would you like it if I said run away Wog Boy? depends, if you said it because I wrote some dumb comment like 'Nonsense... you're raving', then I concede and would turn of my pc for the night. I addressed every one of your points. The best you can do is that crap? You were running away. Admit it and stop playing the victim Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: When YOU people who run around demanding that things be changed to suit any silly idea you have learn to treat others and their views with respect you'll get somewhere. and yet I haven't demanded anything. :D :D Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:07pm: In the meantime, the answer to changing Australia Day is NO! yes I know your answer .... good thing it's not you who decides. Still, I was hoping you could explain it with something beyond simply 'I'm a poor white victim', which in the end is all your excuses amounted to. I addressed your points - there's their pile of ash over there... and you slagged me.... I expect better from you than a blind adherence to any silly nonsense that comes along dressed up in the robes of righteousness... didn't we teach you Italians well enough in WW II. Why would one who has benefited so much from Australia want to burn it down and attack its traditions?  Even the Kaffir's own official site doesn't label it 'invasion day'... just some nonsense dreamed up by a few ganja smokers looking for some easy handouts.... paving the way for more 'poor me' demands.... gimme this and gimme that and it'll all go away... you could hand the turkeys back the whole shebang and they'd sill whine... but just like their running dogs the feminists and such, they want only the best bits of it - not the hard bits. Give us jobs they say - just not as garbos - that's Whartey's work.... educate us, they say - got more scholarships and freebies than any Wharte man and still can't make a go of it .... Mabo Day - Black Invasion Day - the day the Blacks invaded white property bought, paid and worked for .... very South African/Zimbabwean.... good luck with the revolution... As that fine lass Angela Davis (look it up) said once - "If they come for me in the morning... they will come for you at night!"   8-)  8-)  8-) Where's Mothra to give us more of her white wine wisdom?  'Canvasback' Mothra.... always seeking a re-match...  BTW - arguing relentlessly for a change of date for Australia Day is joining the demand, Smith - learn reasoning... The answer is still NO! see, more ranting without dealing with any of the issues. You're going on about WWII, mabo, ,garbo's and mothra for buggers sake. Once upon a time you used to make sense with your posts, now it's just mindless rambling.

That's what happens when you respond to endless mindless drivel... now stop rambling and give us your solutions to the Abo Crisis....

Mabo Day - Black Invasion Day!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 6:15pm:

That's what happens when you respond to endless mindless drivel.

yes, but i only responded to your mindless drivel because I expected better from you. Clearly I was mistaken. Ohh well, I tried.

John Smith wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 6:15pm: That's what happens when you respond to endless mindless drivel. yes, but i only responded to your mindless drivel because I expected better from you. Clearly I was mistaken. Ohh well, I tried.

Yes, but I only responded to your mindless drivel because I expected better from you.  Clearly I was mistaken. Oh, well, I tried.

European nations were generally a force for good compared to their colonies in the wild west. That is where the anti slavery movement came from.

Gnads wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 5:51pm:

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 1:38pm: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:46am: Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil. Strange that you are ignorant of the fact that any 'liberation' was at the hand of BRITISH settlers.......you thick bastard. They were only able to get away with it because the British Crown DID NOT value The Americas (apart from Canada) enough to move its forces down from Canada otherwise the rebellion would have been squashed........you really need to go get youself a fvvken education champ....... America fought and defeated British evil and as result of that developed own national and cultural identity and finally became undisputed world power. Australia at the same time has celebrated British history and British genocides on own population, remaining culturally tiny and politically insignificant British colony. The British abolished slavery long before you bastards.  ::)

It was all done by the evil British colonial power.
British merchants were among the largest participants in the Atlantic slave trade. And British owners living within the home British isles, as well as within its colonies, owned African slaves. Ship owners transported enslaved West Africans to America to be sold into slave labour. The British pirate Queen was the biggest slave trader at that time.

capitosinora wrote on Jan 29^th, 2019 at 8:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 5:51pm: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 3:36pm: Fuzzball wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 1:38pm: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:46am: Gnads wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:36am: capitosinora wrote on Jan 29th, 2019 at 11:31am: For Australian Aborigines it is humiliating to live a Australia as a British colony with British flag and British Monarch as a head of Australian state that represents symbol of repression and genocide on them. British Queen and state still don't want to apologize for one of the most terrifying genocides in human history. British genocidal imperial elite and nation still insists that "Australians" should bear responsibility and apologize for terrific British crimes.  Considering their ancestral past Australian Anglo nationalists either support such approach or totally deny that any genocide ever happened. It is for expecting that, as soon as Australia is liberated from British colonial rule, the real truth about genocide will  be disclosed and the honest process of reconsiliation can start. In today's multicultural society the leading roll in liberating Australia and admitting genocide, done by their British ancestors, should  come from Anglo Australians as it happened in America. Unfortunately, at the present, this is unlikely to happen considering that Anglo elite is still very  determined that Australia should remain as British imperial protectorat. And how do the Native Americans feel about you lot? You're full of it you hypocrite. Multiculturalism has been a failure. We liberated America from British colonial rule and condemned British genocide on native Americans. Unfortunately Australian British nationalist elite denies that any British genocide ever happened on Australian Aborigines. No doubt that the British are the most genocidal nation in human history, thank God America managed to get rid of that evil. Strange that you are ignorant of the fact that any 'liberation' was at the hand of BRITISH settlers.......you thick bastard. They were only able to get away with it because the British Crown DID NOT value The Americas (apart from Canada) enough to move its forces down from Canada otherwise the rebellion would have been squashed........you really need to go get youself a fvvken education champ....... America fought and defeated British evil and as result of that developed own national and cultural identity and finally became undisputed world power. Australia at the same time has celebrated British history and British genocides on own population, remaining culturally tiny and politically insignificant British colony. The British abolished slavery long before you bastards.  ::) It was all done by the evil British colonial power. British merchants were among the largest participants in the Atlantic slave trade. And British owners living within the home British isles, as well as within its colonies, owned African slaves. Ship owners transported enslaved West Africans to America to be sold into slave labour. The British pirate Queen was the biggest slave trader at that time.

But they saw the light & outlawed it long before you lot did.

Even the Nth saw the light before the Sth .....

thus your Civil War where you killed 620,000 of your own.

Your repetition doesn't make you right.

So cut the hypocrisy.

Gnads wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

But they saw the light & outlawed it long before you lot did. Even the Nth saw the light before the Sth ..... thus your Civil War where you killed 620,000 of your own. Your repetition doesn't make you right. So cut the hypocrisy.

Slavery was not even the reason for the Civil War, taxation(tariffs) and the secessionist movement were. Freeing the slaves was just a ploy to weaken the South's economy and therefore it's ability to fight.


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“I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them,” Lincoln said in his first inaugural on March 4, 1860. ------- “. . . all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.” (15) Only the Southern states were “in rebellion” and Lincoln had no control over the Confederacy. Nor did he have the power to free the slaves in the South or the Union. That would require a Constitutional Amendment, which wouldn’t occur until after the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment abolished slavery. Indeed, this was a last-ditch effort to cripple the Confederate Army. Lincoln hoped that it would entice Southern slaves to leave and join the ranks of the Union Army, depleting the Confederacy’s labor force, which was sorely needed to wage war against the Union. https://medium.com/@jonathanusa/everything-you-know-about-the-civil-war-is-wrong-9e94f0118269

Setanta wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 5:27pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 2:39pm: But they saw the light & outlawed it long before you lot did. Even the Nth saw the light before the Sth ..... thus your Civil War where you killed 620,000 of your own. Your repetition doesn't make you right. So cut the hypocrisy. Slavery was not even the reason for the Civil War, taxation(tariffs) and the secessionist movement were. Freeing the slaves was just a ploy to weaken the South's economy and therefore it's ability to fight. Quote: “I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them,” Lincoln said in his first inaugural on March 4, 1860. --- “. . . all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.” (15) Only the Southern states were “in rebellion” and Lincoln had no control over the Confederacy. Nor did he have the power to free the slaves in the South or the Union. That would require a Constitutional Amendment, which wouldn’t occur until after the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment abolished slavery. Indeed, this was a last-ditch effort to cripple the Confederate Army. Lincoln hoped that it would entice Southern slaves to leave and join the ranks of the Union Army, depleting the Confederacy’s labor force, which was sorely needed to wage war against the Union. https://medium.com/@jonathanusa/everything-you-know-about-the-civil-war-is-wrong-9e94f0118269

Does that change the fact the the Poms abolished slavery & the slave trade 32 years earlier in 1833 than the Yanks did who did it in 1865?

That ending slavery ended up as a by-product of of the Civil War is hardly relevant to the point I made ...

and the fact that the US Civil War killed 620,000 Americans?

Gnads wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 2:39pm: But they saw the light & outlawed it long before you lot did. Even the Nth saw the light before the Sth ..... thus your Civil War where you killed 620,000 of your own. Your repetition doesn't make you right. So cut the hypocrisy. Slavery was not even the reason for the Civil War, taxation(tariffs) and the secessionist movement were. Freeing the slaves was just a ploy to weaken the South's economy and therefore it's ability to fight. Quote: “I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them,” Lincoln said in his first inaugural on March 4, 1860. --- “. . . all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.” (15) Only the Southern states were “in rebellion” and Lincoln had no control over the Confederacy. Nor did he have the power to free the slaves in the South or the Union. That would require a Constitutional Amendment, which wouldn’t occur until after the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment abolished slavery. Indeed, this was a last-ditch effort to cripple the Confederate Army. Lincoln hoped that it would entice Southern slaves to leave and join the ranks of the Union Army, depleting the Confederacy’s labor force, which was sorely needed to wage war against the Union. https://medium.com/@jonathanusa/everything-you-know-about-the-civil-war-is-wrong-9e94f0118269 Does that change the fact the the Poms abolished slavery & the slave trade 32 years earlier in 1833 than the Yanks did who did it in 1865? That ending slavery ended up as a by-product of of the Civil War is hardly relevant to the point I made ... and the fact that the US Civil War killed 620,000 Americans?

No, not at all. I was pointing out the fact that most Americans don't know their own history. It wasn't a crusade against slavery, it was for the same reasons as their war of independence, money and taxation.

Edit: Capitosinorita's claim that it was the Brits that committed genocide on their Indians, not Americans is just as ill founded as their view on their Civil War.
One example, their buffalo.
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'Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone' The American bison is the new U.S. national mammal, but its slaughter was once seen as a way to starve Native Americans into submission. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/

Setanta wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 5:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:40pm: Setanta wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 5:27pm: Gnads wrote on Jan 30th, 2019 at 2:39pm: But they saw the light & outlawed it long before you lot did. Even the Nth saw the light before the Sth ..... thus your Civil War where you killed 620,000 of your own. Your repetition doesn't make you right. So cut the hypocrisy. Slavery was not even the reason for the Civil War, taxation(tariffs) and the secessionist movement were. Freeing the slaves was just a ploy to weaken the South's economy and therefore it's ability to fight. Quote: “I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them,” Lincoln said in his first inaugural on March 4, 1860. --- “. . . all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.” (15) Only the Southern states were “in rebellion” and Lincoln had no control over the Confederacy. Nor did he have the power to free the slaves in the South or the Union. That would require a Constitutional Amendment, which wouldn’t occur until after the Civil War. In 1865, the 13th Amendment abolished slavery. Indeed, this was a last-ditch effort to cripple the Confederate Army. Lincoln hoped that it would entice Southern slaves to leave and join the ranks of the Union Army, depleting the Confederacy’s labor force, which was sorely needed to wage war against the Union. https://medium.com/@jonathanusa/everything-you-know-about-the-civil-war-is-wrong-9e94f0118269 Does that change the fact the the Poms abolished slavery & the slave trade 32 years earlier in 1833 than the Yanks did who did it in 1865? That ending slavery ended up as a by-product of of the Civil War is hardly relevant to the point I made ... and the fact that the US Civil War killed 620,000 Americans? No, not at all. I was pointing out the fact that most Americans don't know their own history. It wasn't a crusade against slavery, it was for the same reasons as their war of independence, money and taxation. Edit: Capitosinorita's claim that it was the Brits that committed genocide on their Indians, not Americans is just as ill founded as their view on their Civil War. One example, their buffalo.[quote] 'Kill Every Buffalo You Can! Every Buffalo Dead Is an Indian Gone' The American bison is the new U.S. national mammal, but its slaughter was once seen as a way to starve Native Americans into submission. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/05/the-buffalo-killers/482349/

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Of course everything bad in America before revolution was done by British and that's why we want got rid of them.
The quote that you gave was a cheep British war propaganda. and the discussion was not about native Americans but about British African black slaves.
Well probably we don't know our history but at the same time it is much easier for "Australians" (no one knows what and who Australians are) because virtually they don't have a history or this little history that they have they try desperately to hide.
All official "Australian" history was written and presented to them by their still current colonial British masters.

A house divided against itself cannot stand, so if we permit the Australian Niggrahs to go their own way, do things their way, this house will be divided and will inevitably fall... I call on all brave men and women of good will to stand four-square for the right of this nation to continue to exist and stand together as one ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POeAQWt1b4w

I thought Rudds grovelling apology solved all the problems with the natives

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 11:32am:

I thought Rudds grovelling apology solved all the problems with the natives

I thought your head of state the British Queen should  issue such apology instead proxy Rud.

To all whingers re Australia Day on 26th January

A recent Poll showed 75% of Australians want it  celebrated on the 26th of January

So why don't you soft cocks migrate to New Zealand you might have better luck there

red baron wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 3:01pm:

A recent Poll showed 75% of Australians want it  celebrated on the 26th of January

source?

It wasn't an Alan Jones poll was it?  :D :D

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 11:32am:

I thought Rudds grovelling apology solved all the problems with the natives

Just another stepping stone to stand on and start again, just like their feminist mentors - then came Mabo .. Jervis Bay ... then Ayers Rock... then Mount Warning .. every handout and meek supplicant act of appeasement gives them more power to come on again.... and again ..... and again ....

Bloody fools learned nothing from Hitler and Stalin and the like.....

Anyone wondering today why I say it's time to say NO?  And MEAN it!  Because if you don't there will be a never-ending rage and demands and never-ending threats and eventually violence.

2019 - Year Of Decision...... I feel it in my water ....... this year is going to be a watershed both nationally and internationally ......

4th September 2019  .... it is my melancholy duty to advise you that, as a result of the refusal of the aggressor powers to withdraw their troops and cease their demands, and to sit down at the negotiation table in good faith to seek resolution to all the issues currently between us ............ that a state of war now exists for humanity as a whole.... and I, having failed to keep the peace that we all so earnestly desire ..... hereby resign my position as your Prime Minister..................

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:48am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 31st, 2019 at 11:32am: I thought Rudds grovelling apology solved all the problems with the natives Just another stepping stone to stand on and start again, just like their feminist mentors - then came Mabo .. Jervis Bay ... then Ayers Rock... then Mount Warning .. every handout and meek supplicant act of appeasement gives them more power to come on again.... and again ..... and again .... Bloody fools learned nothing from Hitler and Stalin and the like..... Anyone wondering today why I say it's time to say NO?  And MEAN it!  Because if you don't there will be a never-ending rage and demands and never-ending threats and eventually violence. 2019 - Year Of Decision...... I feel it in my water ....... this year is going to be a watershed both nationally and internationally ...... 4th September 2019  .... it is my melancholy duty to advise you that, as a result of the refusal of the aggressor powers to withdraw their troops and cease their demands, and to sit down at the negotiation table in good faith to seek resolution to all the issues currently between us ............ that a state of war now exists for humanity as a whole.... and I, having failed to keep the peace that we all so earnestly desire ..... hereby resign my position as your Prime Minister..................

Don't forget the Blue Mud Bay Decision .... look that one up Grapps...

it's having big impacts in the NT.

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

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Should be re-labeled Invention day - an invented grievance ........

I've posted the list before of special Koon days and stuff..... including Mabo Indigenous Invasion Day .......

The more you appease these kinds of 'radicals' - the more they will demand and the more violent they will become to get it...

Time to say NO.

When are the abos and do-gooders going to invent "white guilt" day where every white person has to get around whipping themselves with a belt. Geez this abo stuff is boring. As if life is hard enough already with this s hit piled on our shoulders.

Gnads wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:20am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 1st, 2019 at 1:48am: Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 31st, 2019 at 11:32am: I thought Rudds grovelling apology solved all the problems with the natives Just another stepping stone to stand on and start again, just like their feminist mentors - then came Mabo .. Jervis Bay ... then Ayers Rock... then Mount Warning .. every handout and meek supplicant act of appeasement gives them more power to come on again.... and again ..... and again .... Bloody fools learned nothing from Hitler and Stalin and the like..... Anyone wondering today why I say it's time to say NO?  And MEAN it!  Because if you don't there will be a never-ending rage and demands and never-ending threats and eventually violence. 2019 - Year Of Decision...... I feel it in my water ....... this year is going to be a watershed both nationally and internationally ...... 4th September 2019  .... it is my melancholy duty to advise you that, as a result of the refusal of the aggressor powers to withdraw their troops and cease their demands, and to sit down at the negotiation table in good faith to seek resolution to all the issues currently between us ............ that a state of war now exists for humanity as a whole.... and I, having failed to keep the peace that we all so earnestly desire ..... hereby resign my position as your Prime Minister.................. Don't forget the Blue Mud Bay Decision .... look that one up Grapps... it's having big impacts in the NT.

Apartheid begins.... next it will be driving licences and car rego.... soon it will be a nation within a nation and not subject to the laws of the land, while any who 'offend' them will be punished by both sides.  Every one of these steps gives fuel to their lack of effort on their own behalf, and their idea that they should just ride along while Whitey pays.  That decision should stipulate 'using traditional methods only', and thus permit others to fish with a licence from a boat with lines and hooks etc.. they can use a dugout and a spear.... no Wharte man's boats and stuff...

Hmm - it seems that enough money can change their demand for 'rights'... I always thought that Rights were inalienable.....

THE MEDIA is responsible for geeing the Abos up to invade Australia Day.

Jasin wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:40pm:

THE MEDIA is responsible for geeing the Abos up to invade Australia Day.

Hang the media first then......  starting with the Rupertischer Beobachter and the Ninefurter Zeitung... we'll get to the Abo radicals in due course....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:46pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:40pm: THE MEDIA is responsible for geeing the Abos up to invade Australia Day. Hang the media first then......

Yep!
They are doing to the New Worlds of Aust, N.America, S.America from Oceania - what Religion did to Asia, Europe, Africa from the Middle-East.

we give the sour grape mobs far to much attention...

after all 10.000 and thats an estimate not a real count...

is not a terrible lot you know.  I doubt many did the trip from Alice or Arnhemland...to attend....

at the last census there were almost 800.000 aboriginals and TSI...

so lets get it in proportion..

let them have their say... and see where it goes.. ::) ::)

they got their sorry speech... to my knowledge not a lot has changed since?????. :(

but I never expected it to anyway!

The Bantu have been in Africa for over 100,000 years.
That's longer than Aboriginals have been here in Australia.
The Bantu are systematically taking over non-Bantu establishments by other races and cultures and ejecting, via violence other races and cultures from Africa.
Basically the Bantu are saying that Africa is for BLACK PEOPLE ONLY.

...so if Africa is for Black people only - what the hell are Aboriginals doing here? They must be 'invaders' who stole this land from the true owners who are yet to inherit.

Africa is the 'BLACK' land, not Australia.

...looks like the Bantu have pulled the rug from under the Aboriginals.

Get your guns people. Time to shoot the feral pests!  :D

Jacinta Price is an Indigenous Alice Springs Town Councillor

Published Australia Day January 26, 2019.


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" Not once! Not one time have I seen The Greens or labor speak out, not once have I seen you Indigenous cohorts speak out! Not once! You have never spoken out about stopping the violence, stopping the alcoholism, stopping the child abuse and sexual assault, no, you just want to talk about how “White man” has some how oppressed you. Oppressed you? Excuse you! Most of you leading the pack are well educated, had opportunities some of us only dare dreamed about, you manipulate the mobs, especially the ones less educated or fortunate for your own selfish white hating reasons! Shame on you! Shame shame shame! • I grew up in a violent alcohol fuelled family filled with some of the most abhorrent acts committed upon my mother, upon myself. My childhood wasn’t living, it was surviving from one day to the next. I don’t remember a great Christmas, a birthday that didn’t turn violent a night where I didn’t hide under my blankets hoping that he wouldn’t come into my room. That leads me to ask where were you? • When I was 6 years old, yes SIX, I had my first nervous breakdown, I couldn’t take it anymore and my mind and body gave up, my soul withered and I was but a shell of my former self, but where were you? Were you speaking up for me? Were you there to stop the real oppression the real danger to my life? A lot of you were children yourself but where were the older ones? The mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles? The politicians? The outstretched hand? No you weren’t there! • Where were you when I watched my mother get raped and bashed until you couldn’t recognise who she was? Where were you when he held us all hostage and tried to cut our throats? Where were you when I faced an onslaught of sexual abuse? Where were you when he chased us down and tried bashing my mothers head in with a bullroarer? • Where were you when almost every night in my house something violent happened? Where were you when he’d sneak into my room like a thief in the night to steal my childhood? • Where were you the first time I tried to kill myself aged 9? • There’s so much more and it would take me a week to write it down, but where were you? •You weren’t there and you still aren’t there! •Luckily for me my grandmother was there, eventually my mother threw me away when I was sexually assaulted yet once again, this time by an “uncle” there was more than one offender that hurt me, I lost count, now that’s sad. Can you change all the dates I was hurt? • You cry and you scream about changing the date while there are children like me, little boys and girls living the same life I did as a child, living in constant fear of violence and sexual abuse. No, white man didn’t oppress me, white man didn’t commit those repulsive abhorrent acts, white man failed me in the way that he failed to take me and my brother away from my mother. But we mustn’t talk about the real issues effecting the indigenous community to this day! To this very day! Is it racist to speak out? NO! You professional victims cry about a date while real victims suffer horrors only seen in nightmares or in a movie, no, that’s not accurate, the greatest horror writer on the planet would cringe if he heard my story, the story of children still suffering today. • You say it’s “racist” to even speak of these issues, it’s not racism, it’s realism. • I have no time for you and your virtue signalling change the date crap. Your voice is only loud when you want to play the victim. • My grandmother an indigenous elder tried so hard to take me off my mother when I was a baby, but no, the authorities wouldn’t do that as it would be racist so they left me to suffer but I didn’t let that stop me, I didn’t let the abuse and poverty get in my way. Yes I did become an alcoholic when I was 13 it was easy to deal with the pain, then one day I woke up, I was 16 I decided I was not going to let the past destroy my future, I swore to myself I would never turn out like my mother, but I did, for 3 brutal years I did, for 3 brutal years I’d send my babies away out of danger so it was only me, was it racism that drove the police and DOCS to threaten to take my babies if I didn’t leave? • Was it racism that saw them drag him away so the kids and I could pack and flee? • No, that was humanity, that was addressing the issue, racism didn’t play a part, they didn’t see colour, they seen violence and terror the only difference is there was no grog, no drugs, he did it because he enjoyed it. • So while you’re sitting there with your privilege screaming about changing the date, • I’ll be sitting here with no privilege except for what I’ve given to myself and I’ll be speaking out about the real issues and fighting for justice for myself and for every other child that is a mirror of me. • Personally I’ll keep the date, some of the good memories I have is from that date, you see I spent most Australia Days with my nan, she would have BBQ’s where family and friends would get together and play cricket and laugh, us kids would play and play, I never wanted those days to end. • My nan always taught me that it was about unity not division, she taught me not to hate, she told me stories of old passed down and from her own memories, she taught me not to hate the people of today for the sins of yesterday, my nan was all about love and without her

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My nan always taught me that it was about unity not division, she taught me not to hate, she told me stories of old passed down and from her own memories, she taught me not to hate the people of today for the sins of yesterday, my nan was all about love and without her I wouldn’t be the strong proud woman I am today. • On Australia Day, celebrate don’t hate. * That’s all I have to say, I’m getting too upset, the memories of the past never fade to a living victim, a real victim, but we go on, stronger louder and prouder."

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 5:33pm:

Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of .....

how many of those are national public holidays?

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:33pm: Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of ..... how many of those are national public holidays?

None - Apartheid is alive and thriving in Australia as we speak.... and is set to get worse......

Gnads wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Cont. Quote: My nan always taught me that it was about unity not division, she taught me not to hate, she told me stories of old passed down and from her own memories, she taught me not to hate the people of today for the sins of yesterday, my nan was all about love and without her I wouldn’t be the strong proud woman I am today. • On Australia Day, celebrate don’t hate. * That’s all I have to say, I’m getting too upset, the memories of the past never fade to a living victim, a real victim, but we go on, stronger louder and prouder."

Well said, Jacinta... if we all held grudges going back 231 years, we'd hate everyone not in Australia.. and some who are here...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 5:18pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:33pm: Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of ..... how many of those are national public holidays? None - Apartheid is alive and thriving in Australia as we speak.... and is set to get worse......

so don't compare them to Australia day

They're more like Martin Luther King Jnr day, Sri lankan national day, or grandmother day ... meaningless to most people.

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:07pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 5:18pm: Gnads wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:33pm: Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of ..... how many of those are national public holidays? None - Apartheid is alive and thriving in Australia as we speak.... and is set to get worse...... so don't compare them to Australia day They're more like Martin Luther King Jnr day, Sri lankan national day, or grandmother day ... meaningless to most people.

Nobody's comparing.. just pointing out that there are all these Koon days and nobody wants to attack them - in fact, everybody is onside with them ....so they can just get with the program or get out.....

Let's start by banning Aboriginal Invasion Day - Mabo Day.... I've become seriously radicalised by all this rubbish about Australia day - time to take out the trash...

Can't stand bad manners in a man....

Something happen to your mind while you were gone, John Smith?  You used to be fairly reasonable to talk with about things, and sometimes had some good points to make - but now - all you do is parrot the rubbish put about by those who demand change that nobody else wants - a tiny minority wanting to wag the tail.... something get in your craw, boy?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

Nobody's comparing..

bullshit

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:14pm:

Something happen to your mind while you were gone, John Smith?  You used to be fairly reasonable to talk with about things, and sometimes had some good points to make - but now - all you do is parrot the rubbish put about by those who demand change that nobody else wants - a tiny minority wanting to wag the tail.... something get in your craw, boy?

You just liked my mind when I agreed with you on other issues. Your problem is that I've never been a racist.

Got me a cure for ten thousand marchers demanding overthrow of the country's traditions....

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John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:14pm: Something happen to your mind while you were gone, John Smith?  You used to be fairly reasonable to talk with about things, and sometimes had some good points to make - but now - all you do is parrot the rubbish put about by those who demand change that nobody else wants - a tiny minority wanting to wag the tail.... something get in your craw, boy? You just liked my mind when I agreed with you on other issues. Your problem is that I've never been a racist.

so anyone who says NO to the demand to change Australia Day is a 'racist' now, John?  What happened to your mind while you were away?  Nobody's demanding anything of the Niqqers - they and their running dogs are demanding a major change in this nation and its celebration just to suit them...

Well - the answer is NO.  Get over it and move on.

P.S.  You don't understand racism much, do you?  Like far too many these days, you seem to imagine that he who whines first and places unreasonable demands is NOT being racist in attempting to attack the 'other' race's institutions... but somehow the very existence of that institution is 'racist', despite the fact that it includes the dissenters as well....

Well, sorry to explain it to you, son, but demanding a change to Australia Day is racist... saying NO is nothing of the kind.... it's just saying NO to an unreasonable demand.

So 11 pages, and still no-one has figured out what the protesters want?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:22pm:

so anyone who says NO to the demand to change Australia Day is a 'racist' now, John?

I wasn't talking about 'anyone who says no', I was talking about you.

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:35pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:22pm: so anyone who says NO to the demand to change Australia Day is a 'racist' now, John? I wasn't talking about 'anyone who says no', I was talking about you.

Ah - so because I say NO I'm racist?  Or am I racist for responding to a Niqqer who calls me and my society a violent oppressor - the lowest form of life - and worthy of burning,and demands that it be changed to suit a tiny minority of disgruntled Niqqers??

Sorry, John - they've radicalised me.... not my problem .....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:44pm:

Ah - so because I say NO I'm racist?

no, your racist because of what you say in a multitude of threads. This one is just another example.

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

So 11 pages, and still no-one has figured out what the protesters want?

They don't know... they just want what they think they want .... ask John Smith - he apparently knows... was watching a movie last night about a government sponsored single day of the year when you can get it all out - commit any crime and be rewarded for using self-catharsis - kill someone, rob someone.. anything at all..

Maybe we should try that here... put all those who wish to participate on an uninhabited island for a day and let them go to it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:45pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:44pm: Ah - so because I say NO I'm racist? no, your racist because of what you say in a multitude of threads. This one is just another example.

Well - it's racist to demand that Australia Day be changed to suit a few Indigenous whiners and a rent-a crowd of do-gooders with some unspecified whining to do .. most Indigenes aren't Niqqers - only the ones who whine... I choose who is and who is not a Niqqer carefully... only the evil-doers are Niqqers ......

The answer is still NO.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:49pm:

Well - it's racist to demand that Australia Day be changed to suit a few Indigenous whiners and a rent-a crowd of do-gooders with some unspecified whining to do ..

I can't believe you bothered to repeat that rubbish after how stupid it sounded the first time you said it.

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:50pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:49pm: Well - it's racist to demand that Australia Day be changed to suit a few Indigenous whiners and a rent-a crowd of do-gooders with some unspecified whining to do .. I can't believe you bothered to repeat that rubbish after how stupid it sounded the first time you said it.

I was thinking the same about you....... and your 10,000 silly mates .... do any of you know how ridiculous it is to demand changing Australia Day because you don't like it?  And racist when you put it in racial terms and on race grounds.

Did-ums... you're as bad as the whining Mussos and the whining sheilas - and you use the same 'logic'...

John Smith wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:33pm: Just something the looney luvvies should take stock of ..... how many of those are national public holidays?

It's still days allocated & activities/celebrations organised ....

and I'll bet that if any of those who identify as AATSI, if they have a job will be allowed "cultural" leave.