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'Terrorism is due to the 'misrepresentation' of true ISLAM, and human poverty.'
- Papa [Pollyanna] and Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar, Ahmed el-Tayeb

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Pope Francis and the Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar, Ahmed el-Tayeb-2019

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By Robert Spencer on Feb 05, 2019

Pope and Al-Azhar Grand Sheikh: Terrorism due to “incorrect interpretations of religious texts” and poverty

Pope Francis and the Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar, Ahmed el-Tayeb, have published “A Document On Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together,”

.....and it’s as filled with falsehoods and wishful thinking as one would expect coming from a practiced deceiver such as el-Tayeb and someone so eager to be deceived as Pope Francis.

Christine Douglass-Williams has already detailed here some of the reasons why any thinking person should be suspicious of el-Tayeb’s sincerity, and I plan over the next few days to highlight some of the more egregiously false statements in the document itself.

Terrorism is due to “an accumulation of incorrect interpretations of religious texts and to policies linked to hunger, poverty, injustice, oppression and pride.”

QUESTION;
So are the authoritative sources in Sunni Islam, the schools of Sunni jurisprudence (madhahib), all incorrect in their interpretations of the Qur’an and Sunnah?

Here is what they say about jihad warfare against non-Muslims:

Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians...until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.”

It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)...while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions.

It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.”

It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons:

from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”

However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)

Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist.

In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty,

.....because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.”

In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/pope-and-al-azhar-grand-sheikh-terrorism-due-to-incorrect-interpretations-of-religious-texts-and-poverty

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mortimer says

Feb 5, 2019 at 7:37 pm

Pope Francis has committed the FALLACY OF BELIEF IN UNIVERSAL VALUES.

Pope Francis believes without evidence that ISLAM ADVOCATES GOOD WILL TO PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS.

It does not.

Nowhere in the Koran is there an expression of the Golden Rule therefore, it is of no importance in Islam and Muslims have no reason to observe it.

Since Islam’s most important message to humanity (the Noble Koran) does not contain the Golden Rule, it is logical that it was unimportant to Allah.

This explains why he entirely omitted it from the Koran.

The Golden Rule is held to be central by all religions except Islam.

Muslims are surprised to learn their faith does not teach it, but rather, teaches the opposite…to hate infidels ‘for the sake of Allah’.

That doctrine (of actual hatred towards non-Muslims) is the second most important doctrine in Islam and is called ‘Al-Walaa wal-Baraa’ (allegiance to Muslims and disassociation from infidels).

There is, however, a very restricted version of the principle of reciprocity found in the Hadiths.

The Hadiths are a subsidiary collection of sayings and acts of Mohammed and his companions.

They have much less authority than the Koran, but contain a version of the Golden Rule which applies only among “brother” Muslims.

This Islamic “brotherhood rule” is not universal and does not apply to non-Muslims.

Islam divides the entire world into Islam and the Kafirs (unbelievers) and has two separate sets of ethics for each sphere.

The enslavement of Kafirs on the basis of religion is clearly a breach of the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule cancels slavery.

The basis of the Golden Rule is the universal equality of all humankind, regardless of their religion, race or origin.

It does not say: Do unto some persons, as you would have them do unto you, but do unto all persons as you would have them do unto you.

Islam denies the universality of the Golden Rule because Islam starts with the division of all humanity, into two different groups:

Islamic and non-Islamic.

Every aspect of Islamic ethics is based upon this separation, thus Islam has two different ethical codes.

Said another way, Islam has dualistic ethics.

Thus, in Islam, “Good” is whatever advances Islam; “Evil” is whatever resists Islam.

Islam’s ethics are opportunistic and inconsistent; therefore they are not ‘moral’ but opportunistic.

In the Koran, the main concern is that of forcing the peoples of the earth to submit to Islam and then keeping them in it, as if in a mental prison.

Thus, Allah did not forget to include 164 Koranic verses commanding Muslims to go on jihaad (holy wars of conquest) and many verses commanding Muslims to murder renegades from Islam.

Such verses are opposed to and irreconcilable with the Golden Rule.

If such angry verses were removed, 61% of the Koran, 75% of the Sira and 20% of the Hadiths would disappear.

Finally, the Koranic concepts of ‘kafir’ (an impure, subhuman non-Muslim) and ‘jihad’ (sacred warfare to remove the human rights and civil liberties of kafirs and ethnically cleanse them) entirely preclude the Golden Rule by stating kafirs are unequal to Muslims.

The Golden Rule affirms that all people are inherently equal, unlike Islam.

[In ISLAM...] A kafir may never be treated equally to a Muslim, nor offered genuine friendship or love.

This is perhaps the strongest argument that Islam is an exclusive, supremacist cult:

The Golden Rule is entirely missing from the Koran, both from the letter as well as the spirit of Islam’s original texts.

Who can get these facts into the mind of the pope?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/pope-and-al-azhar-grand-sheikh-terrorism-due-to-incorrect-interpretations-of-religious-texts-and-poverty#comment-2054449

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Pope Francis and the Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar, Ahmed el-Tayeb-2019

This, is what Pope Francis is embracing....

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"...Allah's curse be on them: [Christians]"
Koran 9.30, 31

Hey Papa, more words from the Koran, to you;

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Hey Papa, are you unaware of the "....164 Koranic verses commanding Muslims to go on jihaad (holy wars of conquest) and [the] many verses commanding Muslims to murder renegades from Islam."
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Hey Papa, have you been given a special dispensation from the Holy Spirit, urging you to ignore the often, very EXPLICIT contents of the inerrant Koran ?

ARGUMENT;
There is no ISLAMIC source which has more authority or influence upon ISLAMIC law, than the Holy Koran.

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Hey Papa, words from the Holy Spirit, to you;

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Mark 12:38 “And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,”

moses wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 3:01pm:

Mark 12:38 “And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,”

Yep moses.

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

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“Pope Francis: Christianity and Islam Protect ‘Common Values,’”

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Pope: “Christian and Islamic worlds protect common values: life, family, religious sense, honor for the elderly”

“Pope Francis: Christianity and Islam Protect ‘Common Values,’”

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/pope-christian-and-islamic-worlds-protect-common-values-life-family-religious-sense-honor-for-the-elderly

Christianity and Islam Protect ‘Common Values,’

Yep.

"Shut T.F.U. about all of our shameful abuses, of our power !!! And telling the truth, is un-Godly."

'Common Values' statement.

dear Yadda,
your posts are too long to read.

Can you make them short and punchy please?

( I don't think anyone reads them )

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

dear Yadda,
your posts are too long to read.

Can you make them short ~~and punchy please~~?

Yes i can.

Will i ?

No.

Yadda wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 9:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:

dear Yadda,
your posts are too long to read.

Can you make them short ~~and punchy please~~?

Yes i can.

Will i ?

No.

Only your best friend would tell you Yadda.
I really don't think anyone reads your posts.

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 9:58pm:

Only your best friend would tell you Yadda.

I really don't think anyone reads your posts.

Hey bobby, my posts are not for 'general consumption'.

Some people feel only hatred for what i post, in this forum.

I know that.

ADVICE;
Those people do not like the content of my posts, should avoid reading my posts.

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Hey bobby,

Possessing the faculty of sound 'discrimination' is the sign of a healthy human psyche, imo.

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another. good judgement or taste.

Dictionary;
discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement.

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Another 'too long' post, by Yadda.

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