The Democrats have said "No!" to the Mexico-USA 'Wall'.
Stating that it is an 'illusion'.

So the Democrats have taken up the Challenge by Trump.
They are putting forth that they can offer a 'better' solution to the Mexican problem.

gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D

John Smith wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:

gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D

FRIG NO!
That's why I'm me.
I might be 'down under' them.
But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;)

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

That's why I'm me.

A stupid, racist troll bigot.

https://youtu.be/sfRl1jm6lb0

Marla wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 3:11am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: That's why I'm me. A stupid, racist troll bigot.

Possibly a better outcome than being a mindless unimaginative junkie with no personality and typing grace of a chimp in a science experiment with electrodes inserted into her skull to stimulate cognitive behavioral patterns when faced with something she doesn't like and has no control over.
Marla has the mentality of a Moslem molesting children and feeling justified and empowered by a Book letting her get away with it ...like a Media letting her get away with it.
Scrubber with Tattoos and an inability to adapt to the New Worlds like the one she is in.
She is a Stranger in her own Strange Land.

Democrats don't want the wall. Why have they changed their minds - this is why. Corrupt bastards.

Letting in rapists and MS13 thugs and being paid millions to do so is moral - according to Nancy.

https://youtu.be/zRuPs7obVno

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71rvU82MiSL._SX522_.jpg

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 7:42pm:

The Democrats have said "No!" to the Mexico-USA 'Wall'. Stating that it is an 'illusion'. So the Democrats have taken up the Challenge by Trump. They are putting forth that they can offer a 'better' solution to the Mexican problem.

Finally some sense in this debate.

The Wall in terms of it being an impenetrable barrier and will reduce the instances of crime, drugs, rapes etc, it a total illusion.

It will not be impenetrable and as we know from all the statistics, even those from the Government themselves, the wall will not target the source of all the issues Trump has been using to justify it.

All that money, all those resources, they'll be totally wasted, just like the sacrifice of all those workers during the shutdown, that was wasted and for absolutely nothing, and now where the funds will be diverted from if they ever flow brings up other issues.

Either Trump has lied and the Generals didn't tell him they have all this spare money that they wouldn't even miss if he used it for a wall, OR, they're getting far too much money that they have spare in which case their budget should be reduced.

Personally, I think it's a combination of the two.

But either way, when you negotiate in good faith with the Trump administration, then they declare a national emergency anyway, you don't negotiate and give on certain areas as is the norm in a negotiation again.

Trump is just making blunder after blunder.

He could have had 5 times the amount he claims it will cost to build the wall, but he's such a bad negotiator he's only got 55 miles of the wall now, so he's had to bypass Congress and the constitution to get his funding.

His incompetence is starting to get embarrassing and I'm not even American.

Marla wrote on Feb 17^th, 2019 at 3:11am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: That's why I'm me. A stupid, racist troll bigot.

I think hes one of yours Marlon :-*

Marla wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 1:44am:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71rvU82MiSL._SX522_.jpg

There's an 'I' missing from aluminium.


https://www.tashotel.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/a/3/a3-1103.jpg

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm: The Democrats have said "No!" to the Mexico-USA 'Wall'. Stating that it is an 'illusion'. So the Democrats have taken up the Challenge by Trump. They are putting forth that they can offer a 'better' solution to the Mexican problem. Finally some sense in this debate. The Wall in terms of it being an impenetrable barrier and will reduce the instances of crime, drugs, rapes etc, it a total illusion. It will not be impenetrable and as we know from all the statistics, even those from the Government themselves, the wall will not target the source of all the issues Trump has been using to justify it. All that money, all those resources, they'll be totally wasted, just like the sacrifice of all those workers during the shutdown, that was wasted and for absolutely nothing, and now where the funds will be diverted from if they ever flow brings up other issues. Either Trump has lied and the Generals didn't tell him they have all this spare money that they wouldn't even miss if he used it for a wall, OR, they're getting far too much money that they have spare in which case their budget should be reduced. Personally, I think it's a combination of the two. But either way, when you negotiate in good faith with the Trump administration, then they declare a national emergency anyway, you don't negotiate and give on certain areas as is the norm in a negotiation again. Trump is just making blunder after blunder. He could have had 5 times the amount he claims it will cost to build the wall, but he's such a bad negotiator he's only got 55 miles of the wall now, so he's had to bypass Congress and the constitution to get his funding. His incompetence is starting to get embarrassing and I'm not even American.

You have the most eloquent and persuasive take on the Wall of anyone I've read here, Sad. Your work is SWAMP DRAINING.

Karnal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 9:18am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 7:45am: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm: The Democrats have said "No!" to the Mexico-USA 'Wall'. Stating that it is an 'illusion'. So the Democrats have taken up the Challenge by Trump. They are putting forth that they can offer a 'better' solution to the Mexican problem. Finally some sense in this debate. The Wall in terms of it being an impenetrable barrier and will reduce the instances of crime, drugs, rapes etc, it a total illusion. It will not be impenetrable and as we know from all the statistics, even those from the Government themselves, the wall will not target the source of all the issues Trump has been using to justify it. All that money, all those resources, they'll be totally wasted, just like the sacrifice of all those workers during the shutdown, that was wasted and for absolutely nothing, and now where the funds will be diverted from if they ever flow brings up other issues. Either Trump has lied and the Generals didn't tell him they have all this spare money that they wouldn't even miss if he used it for a wall, OR, they're getting far too much money that they have spare in which case their budget should be reduced. Personally, I think it's a combination of the two. But either way, when you negotiate in good faith with the Trump administration, then they declare a national emergency anyway, you don't negotiate and give on certain areas as is the norm in a negotiation again. Trump is just making blunder after blunder. He could have had 5 times the amount he claims it will cost to build the wall, but he's such a bad negotiator he's only got 55 miles of the wall now, so he's had to bypass Congress and the constitution to get his funding. His incompetence is starting to get embarrassing and I'm not even American. You have the most eloquent and persuasive take on the Wall of anyone I've read here, Sad. Your work is SWAMP DRAINING.

Maybe you could entertain us with a little Karnal knowledge ?

Jasin wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:43pm: gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D FRIG NO! That's why I'm me. I might be 'down under' them. But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;)

you are still years behind Edison.

dummie

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 18^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:42pm: The Democrats have said "No!" to the Mexico-USA 'Wall'. Stating that it is an 'illusion'. So the Democrats have taken up the Challenge by Trump. They are putting forth that they can offer a 'better' solution to the Mexican problem. Finally some sense in this debate. The Wall in terms of it being an impenetrable barrier and will reduce the instances of crime, drugs, rapes etc, it a total illusion. It will not be impenetrable and as we know from all the statistics, even those from the Government themselves, the wall will not target the source of all the issues Trump has been using to justify it. All that money, all those resources, they'll be totally wasted, just like the sacrifice of all those workers during the shutdown, that was wasted and for absolutely nothing, and now where the funds will be diverted from if they ever flow brings up other issues. Either Trump has lied and the Generals didn't tell him they have all this spare money that they wouldn't even miss if he used it for a wall, OR, they're getting far too much money that they have spare in which case their budget should be reduced. Personally, I think it's a combination of the two. But either way, when you negotiate in good faith with the Trump administration, then they declare a national emergency anyway, you don't negotiate and give on certain areas as is the norm in a negotiation again. Trump is just making blunder after blunder. He could have had 5 times the amount he claims it will cost to build the wall, but he's such a bad negotiator he's only got 55 miles of the wall now, so he's had to bypass Congress and the constitution to get his funding. His incompetence is starting to get embarrassing and I'm not even American.

Trumps; only 'genius' is in fact, his stellar incompetence and idiocy. People have eondered how he could possibly bankrupt casinos - virtually licences to print money. No we see how he did it.

Offered $25B for his wall, he refused. Offered $5B for his wall, he refused. Offered $1.6B for the Wall, he refused and threw a tantrum and shut down the govt. Now he has accepted $1.3B for a FENCE. This is how you 'negotitate' the trump way and it explains all of his epic failures.

But he leaves the best till last. Now he is declaring an emergency which blatantly is not one at all. But not one to give his attempts any chance of success he literally admits it isnt and emergency and is purely political. Literally says those very words. So not even the most conservative judge can possibly give him the benefit of the doubt.

Trump could write the book - 'The art of being stupid' or ' how to make the worst possible decisions' and be brilliantly correct.

other than that, the man makes stupid people look like Einstein.

"Offered $25B for his wall, he refused. Offered $5B for his wall, he refused. Offered $1.6B for the Wall, he refused and threw a tantrum and shut down the govt. Now he has accepted $1.3B for a FENCE. This is how you 'negotitate' the trump way and it explains all of his epic failures."

The art of the deal  ;D


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/73087885/what-a-maroon.jpg

American taxpayers are continuing to fund border security measures and border walls in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Lebanon with President Trump’s signing of a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) spending bill..

While the United States-Mexico border received only $1.3 billion for construction of a border wall at the overwhelmed southern border with soaring illegal immigration, foreign countries are getting help from American taxpayers to secure their borders.

The Republican-Democrat spending bill signed by Trump last week provides Pakistan with at least $15 million in U.S. taxpayer money for “border security programs” a

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/18/u-s-taxpayers-fund-border-walls-in-pakistan-afghanistan-middle-east/

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 4:57pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:43pm: gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D FRIG NO! That's why I'm me. I might be 'down under' them. But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;) you are still years behind Edison. dummie

Edison had 50 innovators to do his work for him. That's the only smart thing he did.  ::)
Then again, Einstein worked in a Patents Office where everyone submitted their 'Theories' via him.  ::)

And yet here you all are, Longy, Sad Roo and Marlaka.
Still falling for a 'Red Herring' by a Ranga.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 12:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 4:57pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:43pm: gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D FRIG NO! That's why I'm me. I might be 'down under' them. But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;) you are still years behind Edison. dummie Edison had 50 innovators to do his work for him. That's the only smart thing he did.  ::) Then again, Einstein worked in a Patents Office where everyone submitted their 'Theories' via him.  ::) And yet here you all are, Longy, Sad Roo and Marlaka. Still falling for a 'Red Herring' by a Ranga.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/gullvers_president.jpg

Just when they think they got him tied down...... ;D ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:31am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 4:57pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:43pm: gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D FRIG NO! That's why I'm me. I might be 'down under' them. But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;) you are still years behind Edison. dummie Edison had 50 innovators to do his work for him. That's the only smart thing he did.  ::) Then again, Einstein worked in a Patents Office where everyone submitted their 'Theories' via him.  ::) And yet here you all are, Longy, Sad Roo and Marlaka. Still falling for a 'Red Herring' by a Ranga.  ;D ;D ;D ;D https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/gullvers_president.jpg Just when they think they got him tied down...... ;D ;D ;D

the 'emergency' is now stuck in court. Nothing will happen for a very long time until the courts finally decide to nix it.

idiot

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 10:00am:

Panther wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 9:43am: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 12:31am: longweekend58 wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 4:57pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 9:02pm: John Smith wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 7:43pm: gee, they can't get one past you can they Jasin :D :D :D FRIG NO! That's why I'm me. I might be 'down under' them. But I'm still a 'day ahead' of them.  ;) you are still years behind Edison. dummie Edison had 50 innovators to do his work for him. That's the only smart thing he did.  ::) Then again, Einstein worked in a Patents Office where everyone submitted their 'Theories' via him.  ::) And yet here you all are, Longy, Sad Roo and Marlaka. Still falling for a 'Red Herring' by a Ranga.  ;D ;D ;D ;D https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/gullvers_president.jpg Just when they think they got him tied down...... ;D ;D ;D the 'emergency' is now stuck in court. Nothing will happen for a very long time until the courts finally decide to nix it. idiot

Here is the thing that doesn't make sense.  If it really is an emergency, Trump has done everything in his power to avoid building the wall, literally the opposite you'd do if it were an emergency.

He had 2 years of control to build the wall after he'd been talking about it for nearly 2 years before winning the election.

That's 4 years of knowing about the issue, yet only now it's considered an emergency after he couldn't get funding for it, again, after he claimed Mexico would pay?

He had the offer of $25billion of funding for the wall, he turned it down.

Later he demanded $5.7billion and shutdown the government over it.

Now instead of taking the $1.3billion, he lost that and it went down to about 55 miles of fence, not even wall.

Rather than going to the negotiating table, he declared the national emergency, after admitting it wasn't necessary, and on the announcement proceeded to tell us all about how it would go to the courts etc, so he knew that would happen too.

It seems like every decision he's made is either a brilliant move in his 4D chess game of "I will say I want to build the wall, but I don't actually want to build it at all", or he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag and is a giant incompetent fraud.

The issue is political, it's not an emergency.  He and his supporters have failed at every attempt to justify the wall.  Every single attempt.

And on top of that, there is no reason for Trump to have gone this long without getting it built already.  Yes, he's changed his slogan from "Built the wall" to "Finish the wall", but even that's a lie because none of his wall has got a dollar of funding let alone been built.

It's just spin, like, deceit and fake news.  Presidential Candidate Trump could get away with that, but sitting President Trump should be held to a much higher standard.

He's using the issue, he's using the declaration of a National Emergency for purely political purposes for his reelection changes in 2020.

There is no greater disrespect to the people, the constitution or the country than that.

Trump has done a lot of despicable things, but this is unforgivable.  The precedent he's setting is going to be disastrous for the country for decades to come.

Yet the braindead like Panther parrot the talking points, flip flop on all their past positions and show not an ounce of integrity or conviction in their claims supporting Trump against their own interests above all else.

Bloody idiots, all of them.

I'm still waiting.
What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'??
What's your alternative solution?
Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you?

Put up or shut up!!  ;D

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D

going to do about the Mexican problem


What problem ?

It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ?

The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better.

Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist.

Oh what a load of crap.
Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!"
You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::)

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::)

Schlemiel even!!  :D ;D ;D ;D

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::)

I suppose technically it would be possible to say something sillier.

It is true that the numbers today are much better than they were a decade ago.

It is true that virtually all the drugs are transported by means that a wall would never impact in any way.

More people trafficking occurs within the USA than across their boarder and again a wall would have no impact.

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) I suppose technically it would be possible to say something sillier. It is true that the numbers today are much better than they were a decade ago. It is true that virtually all the drugs are transported by means that a wall would never impact in any way. More people trafficking occurs within the USA than across their boarder and again a wall would have no impact.

And like FreeDiver, saying that 'Canals' would not 'help' the Australian 'Flood/Drought' situations ...but both of you do not offer a better alternative and to hide the fact that you can't provide a better alternative - you deny the 'reason' for such, as being factual.

Last year - murders, homocides, etc in Mexico 'tripled' from the previous year.
It's a nation out of control and a Wall is like a Bullet Proof Vest. That's all. Any help is good help.

So as you were saying... your 'alternative' solution to a Wall (just a start you know  ;)) is??????

::)

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 7:02pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) I suppose technically it would be possible to say something sillier. It is true that the numbers today are much better than they were a decade ago. It is true that virtually all the drugs are transported by means that a wall would never impact in any way. More people trafficking occurs within the USA than across their boarder and again a wall would have no impact. And like FreeDiver, saying that 'Canals' would not 'help' the Australian 'Flood/Drought' situations ...but both of you do not offer a better alternative and to hide the fact that you can't provide a better alternative - you deny the 'reason' for such, as being factual. Last year - murders, homocides, etc in Mexico 'tripled' from the previous year. It's a nation out of control and a Wall is like a Bullet Proof Vest. That's all. Any help is good help. So as you were saying... your 'alternative' solution to a Wall (just a start you know  ;)) is?????? ::)

Quote:

Last year - murders, homocides, etc in Mexico 'tripled

Not clever to argue a statistic where Mexico is better than the USA, More Mexicans would likely lower the shooting death rate. Mexico have an av of 7 per 100K where the USA is at about 11.

I do not need to have a solution to a non problem to know that spending over $100 Billion doing something that won't work is stupid.

It is literally a fact that doing nothing would achieve at worst the same result as building a 3,000 Mile wall in terms of all the reasons stated for doing it.

Obviously work done at major and minor boarder crossings in terms of numbers people technology etc would have a positive impact.

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::)

The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall.

You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims.

Liberal speaking to his son, walls only work for the Elite!



https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/bq-5c6ab5c904e63.jpeg

Whites are not a race.

Karnal wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 11:51pm:

Whites are not a race.

Since when?

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 8:53pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims.

Are you stupid?

The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US.

Why do key political and law officials do not want a wall - because its too profitable.

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:24am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 8:53pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims. Are you stupid? The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US. Why do key political and law officials do not want a wall - because its too profitable.

The drugs enter the US through official ports of entry.

The wall see-through steel slats would have no effect on the drug trade.

Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:24am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 8:53pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims. Are you stupid? The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US.

Tell me this, do you know how the drugs enter the country?

Here is a "hint", it's through the ports of entry.  We know this because of statistics released by the Government of their official agencies who fight this.

It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that?

We also know that when it comes to crime, those in the US illegally make up a very small percentage of the perpetrators.

It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with reducing Crime, Rape and Murder like the President claims?

We also know of those illegals, the vast majority don't enter the US via illegal border crossings but instead overstay after legal entry.

It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that?

If the problem is so severe that it necessitates a National Emergency, why is the solution proposed so off the target?

From the evidence, including those showing that all the incidents that Trump and his supporters are claiming we need a wall to resolve have been on a decline over the last 40 years and some are even at all time lows.

It's almost as if there is no emergency...?

This is what people mean when they say you have no evidence to support your claims.

It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people.

Trump and his supporters are not, and never have, taken an evidence-based approach.  This time, however, he's taken it a step too far and not even the normalising of his standard dishonest behaviour can protect him this time. 

Disrespecting the constitution, the people and the country is something not even his fellow Republicans will take lying down.

25th Amendment.

Imagine if these actions that he's taken become normalised.

Imagine a far left President using the National Emergency Powers to force anything from allowing abortion (due to overpopulation or for the safety of mothers) on a federal scale, enforcing Gun restrictions because the streets have become a warzone or taking real action on climate change?

Is this a door you really want to forever be left open?


Richdude wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:24am:

Are you stupid?

Well, are you?

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 8:53pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims. Are you stupid? The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US. Tell me this, do you know how the drugs enter the country? Here is a "hint", it's through the ports of entry.  We know this because of statistics released by the Government of their official agencies who fight this. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? We also know that when it comes to crime, those in the US illegally make up a very small percentage of the perpetrators. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with reducing Crime, Rape and Murder like the President claims? We also know of those illegals, the vast majority don't enter the US via illegal border crossings but instead overstay after legal entry. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? If the problem is so severe that it necessitates a National Emergency, why is the solution proposed so off the target? From the evidence, including those showing that all the incidents that Trump and his supporters are claiming we need a wall to resolve have been on a decline over the last 40 years and some are even at all time lows. It's almost as if there is no emergency...? This is what people mean when they say you have no evidence to support your claims. It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people. Trump and his supporters are not, and never have, taken an evidence-based approach.  This time, however, he's taken it a step too far and not even the normalising of his standard dishonest behaviour can protect him this time.  Disrespecting the constitution, the people and the country is something not even his fellow Republicans will take lying down. 25th Amendment. Imagine if these actions that he's taken become normalised. Imagine a far left President using the National Emergency Powers to force anything from allowing abortion (due to overpopulation or for the safety of mothers) on a federal scale, enforcing Gun restrictions because the streets have become a warzone or taking real action on climate change? Is this a door you really want to forever be left open? Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: Are you stupid? Well, are you?

The moment a demon-rat President, or any suicidal President for that matter, tries to enforce firearm confiscation, or "infringes" upon all individual American's Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense, there will be government blood flowing in the streets of America, & it won't stop until the government is completely wrested from their Anti-Second Amendment hands, & put back in the hands of a Pro-Second Amendment government. http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif

Now back to THE WALL........The President of the United States has an obligation, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect & defend the Constitution of the United States, & he has responsibility for national security, which means providing security for the American People.....American Citizens.......he has no duty of care for any illegal wetbacks, or drug-lords.

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 8:53pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims. Are you stupid? The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US. Tell me this, do you know how the drugs enter the country? Here is a "hint", it's through the ports of entry.  We know this because of statistics released by the Government of their official agencies who fight this. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? We also know that when it comes to crime, those in the US illegally make up a very small percentage of the perpetrators. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with reducing Crime, Rape and Murder like the President claims? We also know of those illegals, the vast majority don't enter the US via illegal border crossings but instead overstay after legal entry. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? If the problem is so severe that it necessitates a National Emergency, why is the solution proposed so off the target? From the evidence, including those showing that all the incidents that Trump and his supporters are claiming we need a wall to resolve have been on a decline over the last 40 years and some are even at all time lows. It's almost as if there is no emergency...? This is what people mean when they say you have no evidence to support your claims. It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people. Trump and his supporters are not, and never have, taken an evidence-based approach.  This time, however, he's taken it a step too far and not even the normalising of his standard dishonest behaviour can protect him this time.  Disrespecting the constitution, the people and the country is something not even his fellow Republicans will take lying down. 25th Amendment. Imagine if these actions that he's taken become normalised. Imagine a far left President using the National Emergency Powers to force anything from allowing abortion (due to overpopulation or for the safety of mothers) on a federal scale, enforcing Gun restrictions because the streets have become a warzone or taking real action on climate change? Is this a door you really want to forever be left open? Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: Are you stupid? Well, are you?

Another excellent post.

@SadKangaroo 


Quote:

........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people...........

Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump:

1. Exploiting laws?
2. Bypassing the US Constitution?
3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 1:49pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 1:26pm: Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 8:53pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Dnarever wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:27pm: Jasin wrote on Feb 20th, 2019 at 6:04pm: I'm still waiting. What are the Democrats and you Anti-Trumpers going to do about the Mexican problem, if you deny a 'Wall'?? What's your alternative solution? Do you deny that Mexico is a problem and that they don't have a disease that will infect you? Put up or shut up!!  ;D going to do about the Mexican problem What problem ? It is better now than it was 10 years ago when it wasn't a problem ? The fence will do nothing that actually doing nothing would do just as well if not better. Building a fence will not achieve one of its stated goals, it's a fool solution to a problem that does not exist. Oh what a load of crap. Only a Mexican like you would point a gun at someone, ask for their money and say on OzPol "This is not a mugging!" You're what the Jews call - a 'schmuck'.  ::) The problem is there is no evidence to support the "Mexican Problem" narrative, and hence there is no justification for the wall. You'll need some evidence if you want to make those claims. Are you stupid? The war happening in Juarez (one of the most dangerous cities in the World) is fueled by drug cartel rivalry. These drugs kill hundreds of thousands in the US. Tell me this, do you know how the drugs enter the country? Here is a "hint", it's through the ports of entry.  We know this because of statistics released by the Government of their official agencies who fight this. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? We also know that when it comes to crime, those in the US illegally make up a very small percentage of the perpetrators. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with reducing Crime, Rape and Murder like the President claims? We also know of those illegals, the vast majority don't enter the US via illegal border crossings but instead overstay after legal entry. It's a very simple question, how will the wall help with that? If the problem is so severe that it necessitates a National Emergency, why is the solution proposed so off the target? From the evidence, including those showing that all the incidents that Trump and his supporters are claiming we need a wall to resolve have been on a decline over the last 40 years and some are even at all time lows. It's almost as if there is no emergency...? This is what people mean when they say you have no evidence to support your claims. It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people. Trump and his supporters are not, and never have, taken an evidence-based approach.  This time, however, he's taken it a step too far and not even the normalising of his standard dishonest behaviour can protect him this time.  Disrespecting the constitution, the people and the country is something not even his fellow Republicans will take lying down. 25th Amendment. Imagine if these actions that he's taken become normalised. Imagine a far left President using the National Emergency Powers to force anything from allowing abortion (due to overpopulation or for the safety of mothers) on a federal scale, enforcing Gun restrictions because the streets have become a warzone or taking real action on climate change? Is this a door you really want to forever be left open? Richdude wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:24am: Are you stupid? Well, are you? The moment a demon-rat President, or any suicidal President for that matter, tries to enforce firearm confiscation, or "infringes" upon all individual American's Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense, there will be government blood flowing in the streets of America, & it won't stop until the government is completely wrested from their Anti-Second Amendment hands, & put back in the hands of a Pro-Second Amendment government. http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/guns4.gif Now back to THE WALL........The President of the United States has an obligation, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect & defend the Constitution of the United States, & he has responsibility for national security, which means providing security for the American People.....American Citizens.......he has no duty of care for any illegal wetbacks, or drug-lords.

you do understand that the 'government' also has guns... and a lot bigger ones as well as RPGs, mortars, tanks and helicopters? you understand that if stupid people tried using their assault weapons on police legally confiscating them that they could retaliate with massive weaponry?

A house full of lunatics firing at police wont last long with one helicopter fired hellcat.

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:19pm:

@SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

A) the huge majority of americans DONT want the wall. Trump is disrespecting their wishes.
B) congress voted AGAINST the wall, thus making the declaration unconstitutional
C) trump is trying to exploit the emergency declaration law


easy.

https://i.postimg.cc/NGk1cdNX/2-21-2019-3-44-32-PM.png


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@SadKangaroo 


Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:19pm:

@SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:42pm:

@SadKangaroo  Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:19pm: @SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

so you cant answer it, cowardly-panther?

no surprise

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:42pm: @SadKangaroo  Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:19pm: @SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country? so you cant answer it, cowardly-panther? no surprise

What sort of person puts members of a forum on ignore?

He has some serious problems, that boy.

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@SadKangaroo 


Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:19pm:

@SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 1:49pm:

The moment a demon-rat President, or any suicidal President for that matter, tries to enforce firearm confiscation, or "infringes" upon all individual American's Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense, there will be government blood flowing in the streets of America, & it won't stop until the government is completely wrested from their Anti-Second Amendment hands, & put back in the hands of a Pro-Second Amendment government.

But they would have bypassed the constitution with a National Emergency like Trump has, so it's ok.

You can't only pretend to care about the constitution when it matters to you...

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 1:49pm: The moment a demon-rat President, or any suicidal President for that matter, tries to enforce firearm confiscation, or "infringes" upon all individual American's Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense, there will be government blood flowing in the streets of America, & it won't stop until the government is completely wrested from their Anti-Second Amendment hands, & put back in the hands of a Pro-Second Amendment government. But they would have bypassed the constitution with a National Emergency like Trump has, so it's ok. You can't only pretend to care about the constitution when it matters to you...

@SadKangaroo  And you can't pretend you know the US Constitution as well as you might think you do (The Constitution was written for the People, not the Government), & what you posted, in any way manner or form, answers the question(s) I put forth.

Just because Nancy Rotten Krotch says that's what a President might attempt, the Supreme Court would immediately step in before the ink has dried, & declare his actions are 100% unconstitutional, as the Supreme Court has done before to other proclamations.

Sad........Funny that the SCOTUS hasn't interceded here with President Trump's 'Southern Border Emergency'.......that's because what the President has done is obviously Constitutional for one, & secondly, the powers by which the President is procuring the funds to build THE WALL was also derived directly from Congress when they wrote the original law. Constitutionality is not an issue there......Congress abdicated it's own powers to be consulted.........abdicated it's Right to the President, in times when he, & he alone, can exercise the Power this Law gives him.......JFYI....... Emergency Powers Act of 1976 isn't written anywhere in the US Constitution, but it was written in Legislation passed by an earlier Congress, & signed into Law by an earlier  Presidents Signature, as the Constitution requires, & much to the chagrin of today's 2019 Congress.  ;)

Just because no other President used the powers Congress itself bestowed upon the President this way, doesn't mean he can't, just that that was another Congress, & no subsequent Congresses felt it worth repairing the law as written........

So until Congress can get a 2/3^rds majority vote in each of BOTH houses to bypass the President's sure veto, the President is on SOLID Grounds, & until Congress defines exactly what does & does not constitute an National Emergency via a Veto proof vote, how it is defined is solely up to the President. ;)


American Law......doncha love it!!

I do!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:19pm:

@SadKangaroo Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL....... How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws?

National Emergency Powers are not constitutionally granted, they the result of a federal law.  He is exploiting that law, because there is no emergency.

Not a single statistic supports his claims.  These are not "fake news" statistics, these are released either by the Government Agencies or the Whitehouse themselves.

To continue claiming that there is an emergency, when there isn't, to get funding for a wall, that even if there WAS an emergency, would not do a thing to alleviate it, is exploiting the National Emergency laws, or more specifically the NEA.


Quote:

2. Bypassing the US Constitution?

The constitution states that,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

There was bipartisan negotiation in the Congress about the funding for the wall post the shutdown.  An agreement was reached.  It was only after this agreement was reached, and Trump didn't like the outcome, that he declared the National Emergency.

He's bypassing Congress to get his funding.  As the constitution makes it clear that Congress is the only body who can approve spending of funds raised via taxation, in bypassing them, Trump has bypassed the constitution.

He said the same about Obama when he used these same powers, although under different circumstances,

https://i.imgur.com/7YA4NXc.png

It is almost scary how Trump is doing literally what he complained about Obama doing.

AND, not only that, he even said on his announcement that he doesn't need to declare an emergency, he's just doing it to get the money faster.


Quote:

3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country?

You Panther have made it clear in the gun debate, that anyone who wants to infringe on the constitutionally granted rights of the people by advocating for keeping assault rifles and weapons of war out of the hands of civilians are disrespecting the constitution, the founding fathers, the people and the country.

Trump isn't talking about subverting the constitution, he's actively trying to do so.  Given the reasons why, detailed able, but in shorthand, to save himself from the political embarrassment of his failures, not an actual emergency, but to pacify his ego, that is the hight of disrespect to the people, the constitution and the country.

It's very simple, what Trump is doing vs what he says he's doing, as usual, are not the same.

He claims there is an emergency when there is no evidence to support there is.

He claims his fictional emergency is because of x, y & z, yet his solution he's seeking funding for in bypassing Congress, the wall, will not help with x, y & z.

He had 2+ years to get funding for the wall and get construction started but he strung it along as an election issue for the midterms, the Dems and more so the people, called his bluff, he lost his majority in the House and now has to negotiate with the Democrats.

This should be a piece of cake, this is Trump but as we've quickly learned, he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag unless he is holding all the cards or can use legal threats to force the hand of those at the table.  Without that unlosable position, he's simply can't succeed. 

He went from $25billion in funding via his amazing negotiating skills down to 55 miles of fence and all he had to do was shut down the Government ruining countless lives in the process, and shutting down the very agencies (among others) whose role it is to protect the people in many of the areas he is now claiming, against all the facts and figures, that now the cause for a National Emergency.

All of this because he's failed at every other attempt to get funding for the wall, that is now a fence, that Mexico was meant to pay for, literally.

These are the facts.  Trump has failed in the most spectacular of ways.

And now he, and the mouth breathers who only trust what he says and don't bother to fact check (present company included), now chant "Finish the Wall" as if constructions has started.

Panther, Trump could not have failed more completely than he has on this topic, the cornerstone of his campaign and Presidency.  And now because of said failure, he's had to take the nuclear option of declaring a National Emergency where none exists, when this is one of the few examples where there is clear and freely available evidence that disproves that claim of an emergency in the most complete and unquestionable way.

He sucks at politics almost as much as he sucks at negotiation and running businesses and now there are no legal battles he can mount to silence people who know the truth, because WE ALL KNOW!

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 3:23pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:57pm: Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 1:49pm: The moment a demon-rat President, or any suicidal President for that matter, tries to enforce firearm confiscation, or "infringes" upon all individual American's Constitutional Rights to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense, there will be government blood flowing in the streets of America, & it won't stop until the government is completely wrested from their Anti-Second Amendment hands, & put back in the hands of a Pro-Second Amendment government. But they would have bypassed the constitution with a National Emergency like Trump has, so it's ok. You can't only pretend to care about the constitution when it matters to you... @SadKangaroo  And you can't pretend you know the US Constitution as well as you might think you do (The Constitution was written for the People, not the Government), & what you posted, in any way manner or form, answers the question(s) I put forth. Just because Nancy Rotten Krotch says that's what a President might attempt, the Supreme Court would immediately step in before the ink has dried, & declare his actions are 100% unconstitutional, as the Supreme Court has done before to other proclamations. Sad........Funny that the SCOTUS hasn't interceded here with President Trump's 'Southern Border Emergency'.......that's because what the President has done is obviously Constitutional for one, & secondly, the powers by which the President is procuring the funds to build THE WALL was also derived directly from Congress when they wrote the original law. Constitutionality is not an issue there......Congress abdicated it's own powers to be consulted.........abdicated it's Right to the President, in times when he, & he alone, can exercise the Power this Law gives him.......JFYI....... Emergency Powers Act of 1976 isn't written anywhere in the US Constitution, but it was written in Legislation passed by an earlier Congress, & signed into Law by an earlier  Presidents Signature, as the Constitution requires, & much to the chagrin of today's 2019 Congress.  ;) Just because no other President used the powers Congress itself bestowed upon the President this way, doesn't mean he can't, just that that was another Congress, & no subsequent Congresses felt it worth repairing the law as written........ So until Congress can get a 2/3rds majority vote in each of BOTH houses to bypass the President's sure veto, the President is on SOLID Grounds, & until Congress defines exactly what does & does not constitute an National Emergency via a Veto proof vote, how it is defined is solely up to the President. ;) American Law......doncha love it!! I do!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'm not pretending to be an expert in the constitution, my aim, which I have succeeded in, was pointing out your hypocrisy in your selective application of when the constitution is important (issues you support) and when it ok to bypass (again when it's an issue you support).

You have no real conviction or care for the constitution, you only use it as a tool when it suits you, most recently to help you support Trump and attack those who don't support him.

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:44pm: Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:42pm: @SadKangaroo  Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 2:19pm: @SadKangaroo  Quote: ........It is a 100% politically motivated proposal to help Trump in the 2020 election that is exploiting laws, bypassing the constitution and disrespecting the country and their people........... Specifically regarding THE WALL.......How is President Trump: 1. Exploiting laws? 2. Bypassing the US Constitution? 3. Disrespecting the People & for that matter, the Country? so you cant answer it, cowardly-panther? no surprise What sort of person puts members of a forum on ignore? He has some serious problems, that boy.

Panther is just a coward. Not that anyone is surprised.

And for the record, it was Congress that said No to the wall, not the Dems...

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 4:03pm:

.......I'm not pretending to be an expert in the constitution, my aim, which I have succeeded in, was pointing out your hypocrisy in your selective application of when the constitution is important (issues you support) and when it ok to bypass (again when it's an issue you support). You have no real conviction or care for the constitution, you only use it as a tool when it suits you, most recently to help you support Trump and attack those who don't support him.

@SadKangeroo    You wallow in generalities, & when you do, your answers bring up more questions than they answer.

Specifically.....WTF are you on about???.....I hopefully helped by highlighting. I don't care if anyone wants to know, I'd like to understand your precise reasoning behind your conclusions.   Thanks.

Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 4:59pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 4:03pm: .......I'm not pretending to be an expert in the constitution, my aim, which I have succeeded in, was pointing out your hypocrisy in your selective application of when the constitution is important (issues you support) and when it ok to bypass (again when it's an issue you support). You have no real conviction or care for the constitution, you only use it as a tool when it suits you, most recently to help you support Trump and attack those who don't support him. @SadKangeroo    You wallow in generalities, & when you do, your answers bring up more questions than they answer. Specifically.....WTF are you on about???.....I hopefully helped by highlighting. I don't care if anyone wants to know, I'd like to understand your precise reasoning behind your conclusions.   Thanks.

I explained each conclusion, stop playing dumb.

I suggest you re-read,

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550310151/46#46

It boils down to, you refuse to budge on the constitution when it comes to matters of the 2nd Amendment where you take a literal interpretation, but when it comes to things like who has the authority when it comes to spending money, well the constitution doesn't matter then, so long as the person spending it, and what they're spending it on, is something you support.

In that case, you've convinces yourself, or at the least, you're trying to convince others that in this example, Trump isn't bypassing the constitution, even if this is exactly what he accused Obama of doing in the same situation.

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 5:10pm:

Panther wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 4:59pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 4:03pm: .......I'm not pretending to be an expert in the constitution, my aim, which I have succeeded in, was pointing out your hypocrisy in your selective application of when the constitution is important (issues you support) and when it ok to bypass (again when it's an issue you support). You have no real conviction or care for the constitution, you only use it as a tool when it suits you, most recently to help you support Trump and attack those who don't support him. @SadKangeroo    You wallow in generalities, & when you do, your answers bring up more questions than they answer. Specifically.....WTF are you on about???.....I hopefully helped by highlighting. I don't care if anyone wants to know, I'd like to understand your precise reasoning behind your conclusions.   Thanks. I explained each conclusion, stop playing dumb. I suggest you re-read, http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550310151/46#46 It boils down to, you refuse to budge on the constitution when it comes to matters of the 2nd Amendment where you take a literal interpretation, but when it comes to things like who has the authority when it comes to spending money, well the constitution doesn't matter then, so long as the person spending it, and what they're spending it on, is something you support. In that case, you've convinces yourself, or at the least, you're trying to convince others that in this example, Trump isn't bypassing the constitution, even if this is exactly what he accused Obama of doing in the same situation.

When dealing with the Constitution, you have to also take into account what the Supreme Court has ruled the Constitution means/says. They have the final word, as opposed to the text.

Example, nowhere in the Constitution does it say woman have the right to terminate a pregnancy....for any reason, but the Supreme Court decided otherwise, & even though the Constitution speaks not one word about it, the Roe v. Wade decision became Constitutional Law.

As pertaining to the 2nd Amendment, the issue gets muddied because of modern interpretations on a 18th Century Text, & what the composers of the Constitution actually meant by the words they used......contained in the many documents published at the time, & by the writings of the people who actually deliberated the Amendment at the Constitutional Convention. The most recent clarification came in District of Columbia v. Heller, & it's "Originalist" point of view.

Now:


Quote:

The National Emergencies Act (NEA) (Pub.L. 94–412, 90 Stat. 1255, enacted September 14, 1976, codified at 50 U.S.C. § 1601–1651) is a United States federal law passed to end all previous national emergencies and to formalize the emergency powers of the President. The Act empowers the President to activate special powers during a crisis but imposes certain procedural formalities when invoking such powers.........

In this act, as I said earlier, the US Congress abdicated it's Constitution Powers regarding Emergencies declared by the President, & gave them solely to the President of the United States. The Congress also failed to specifically define what would be considered an Emergency or a Crisis, just that the President can declare them without Congressional consultation, & needing the Congress to approve funds to support resolving the declared emergencies & crisis. All this, absent Congressional definition, leaves defining the Emergency & Crisis, along with it's resolution, to how the President defines it, as well as how he can fund resolving the Emergency & Crisis, without prior consultation with the Congress......The only restrictions placed on the President in the Act is how he must notify Congress regarding his decisions........procedural formalities........not if they agree or disagree.

I'd be more than happy to detail on how Congress might  fix this 1976 Act, but as it is, Congress can't turn back the clock, the President is, & was, always acting within the Law, utilizing Powers the Congress themselves abdicated/gave to all future Presidents in 1976.

⮞⮞⮞ If you had a way to eliminate the NEA of 1976, as if it never existed, then all your points would be absolutely valid, & furthermore the President could never have done what he did, & is proceeding to do.

Unfortunately, much to the chagrin of you & the American democ-rats, there is a NEA of 1976, & it says what it says, & gives the President the Powers he has courtesy of the US Congress & US President of times past.

You asked which Law Trump was exploiting and I told you and let you know why he isn't just utilising it but exploiting it.

You got your answer, I can't help if you don't like it.

Bottom line is, whatever excuse you try to think up, ask yourself this, would you be making that excuse for Clinton if she were President, or if this happened under the Ex-<your favourite racial slur here> Obama?

If the answer is Yes then I'll entertain your reply, but we all know you wouldn't tie yourself, the constitution or US Federal Laws to defend Obama or Clinton, attack maybe, but not defend.

You've been allowed to apply a different set of rules for Trump as you do everyone else.

This stops now.

Oh, Panther, you can't possibly overcome Sad on this topic. He's smarter than you, more articulate and persuasive than you, and he doesn't need to use italics to make a point.

Mr Trump has already set the standard in his Tweet about Obama, not to mention acknowledging he never wanted to go down this route. He held the government to ransom for a month to avoid just this.

If I was you, I'd agree. No reservations, no conditions, nothing. That's what you do when someone is right.

The only response to Sad's posts here is a standing ovation.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 6:58pm:

Oh, Panther, you can't possibly overcome Sad on this topic. He's smarter than you, more articulate and persuasive than you, and he doesn't need to use italics to make a point. Mr Trump has already set the standard in his Tweet about Obama, not to mention acknowledging he never wanted to go down this route. He held the government to ransom for a month to avoid just this. If I was you, I'd agree. No reservations, no conditions, nothing. That's what you do when someone is right. The only response to Sad's posts here is a standing ovation.

LOL!

Sad's posts are long rambling ravings that only he - perhaps, understands.

Karnal aspires to his level of incoherence.


This is another reason for a wall.
https://youtu.be/CDoxdxJtEG4

Richdude wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 12:59am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 6:58pm: Oh, Panther, you can't possibly overcome Sad on this topic. He's smarter than you, more articulate and persuasive than you, and he doesn't need to use italics to make a point. Mr Trump has already set the standard in his Tweet about Obama, not to mention acknowledging he never wanted to go down this route. He held the government to ransom for a month to avoid just this. If I was you, I'd agree. No reservations, no conditions, nothing. That's what you do when someone is right. The only response to Sad's posts here is a standing ovation. LOL! Sad's posts are long rambling ravings that only he - perhaps, understands. Karnal aspires to his level of incoherence. This is another reason for a wall. https://youtu.be/CDoxdxJtEG4

Thanks for the glowing review :)

I wouldn't expect some like who posts lies and fake news as much you to be able to comprehend posts longer than your average tweet anyway :)

But it's nice to know that I'm right over the target with my posts, so much so that it leaves you no right of reply other than to pretend they don't make sense.

It actually is a glowing review, thanks!

Richdude wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 12:59am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 6:58pm: Oh, Panther, you can't possibly overcome Sad on this topic. He's smarter than you, more articulate and persuasive than you, and he doesn't need to use italics to make a point. Mr Trump has already set the standard in his Tweet about Obama, not to mention acknowledging he never wanted to go down this route. He held the government to ransom for a month to avoid just this. If I was you, I'd agree. No reservations, no conditions, nothing. That's what you do when someone is right. The only response to Sad's posts here is a standing ovation. LOL! Sad's posts are long rambling ravings that only he - perhaps, understands. Karnal aspires to his level of incoherence. This is another reason for a wall. https://youtu.be/CDoxdxJtEG4

we ALL understand it, ie all but the STUPID people like yourself, fake-phd.