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Title: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 5:39pm

They promise an egalitarian Utopia

progressive leftism = = [their policies always produce] massive wealth disparity between the haves and the have-nots

Proof ?

Continue reading.

WATCH THIS SHORT YT.

It is full of expressed 'inconvenient' truths.

WATCH THE VERY 'CUTTING', TRUTHFUL MESSAGE, SPOKEN IN THIS SHORT YT;

Hey!!!! all of you Political LEFTISTS "....STOP ACTING SO VIRTUOUS!" @ 2m 20s !!!!!

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"A young man who lives in the area of Los Angeles has a message for the Hollywood elites that speaks truth."

Oscars Message For Hollywood Celebrities & Award Winners (2019) #Oscars
07 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R30Hhpv5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R30Hhpv5A

This YT has been up for 5 days.

I really hope that this YT goes viral!

THE TRUTH HURTS !!

THE TRUTH HURTS !!

THE TRUTH HURTS !!

THE TRUTH HURTS, ....THE HYPOCRITE ELITES, WHO ARE PROMOTING 'PROGRESSIVE' SOCIALISM, AND, 'DEMOCRATIC' SOCIALISM

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 5:39pm

progressive leftism = = [their policies always produce] massive wealth disparity between the haves and the have-nots

Proof ?

Continue reading.

"Within that seven minute speech [in YT, prev post] this young man foretells of a future that is exactly what CTH outlined when we shared the following image:"

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He Speaks Big Truth – “A Message for Hollywood”...

Posted on March 1, 2019

A young man who lives in the area of Los Angeles has a message for the Hollywood elites that speaks truth.

At the end of all progressive leftism; when you carry out their policies to their logical conclusion; what we find is this massive wealth disparity between the haves and the have-nots.

This is not supposition.

History is an empirical guide that cannot be ignored.

All you have to do is look back at the past thirty years for an example of what happens when government control, leftist policies, are carried out. The middle-class is wiped out; wages stagnate or decrease; the wealth gap keeps increasing; crony-government benefits those with the largest financial influence over political policy.

By design the process benefits the most elite, the investment class and those with political power.

Within their progressive outlook, wealth is defined as a singularly limited economic pie and the elites step forward to announce their distribution model which requires increased taxation.

As a result, immediately disparity increases.

And so they, as professional politicians, historically propose solutions – their solutions.

However, their solutions are actually the preferred solutions of their campaign contributors, ie. Wall Street.

The same Wall Street that funds lobbyists, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to set the economic legislative priorities of congress.

Meanwhile our visit to the grocery store, food, energy etc. leaves us dealing with price increases at jaw-dropping levels.

This is what happens when multinationals take over, a production economy becomes a service economy.

To keep the underemployed pitchforks at bay, government policy (now directed by Wall Street globalists and corporations) subsidizes the income gap. EBT, WIC, SNAP and food stamp assistance necessarily skyrockets.

Temporarily the pitchforks are dropped, but economic independence turns to dependence; people become even more frustrated. With government policy adjusted for self-preservation, deficits necessarily explode.

The factual counter to this decades-long corrupt process is represented within the middle-class policies of President Donald Trump.

Yes, Trump is the anti-elite; not necessarily in persona (he is that also) but in actual outcome of policy.

Notice how right now working-class wages are rising.

Notice how the value of work is now increasing… and, more importantly, notice how the ‘wealth gap’ in the past two years is actually closing.

President Trump doesn’t achieve this by redistributing a limited amount of American economic wealth; he achieves these results by creating even more economic pies.

Trump’s economic policies actually increase all American wealth. The American middle-class becomes more valuable... 600,000 high-wage manufacturing jobs are created.

The American worker becomes more valuable.

For the first time in many decades the chief executive of the United States walked into office concerned about the fiscal stability of the average American, without a single IOU on his Oval Office desk.

For the first time ever, a titan of American Main Street is in the oval office.

Witnessing President Trump bringing skilled labor union leaders into the White House on Day #1 was evidence therein. Meeting with manufacturing giants in the Auto industry is even more evidence.

People can attempt to obfuscate it, but actions speak louder than words.

President Trump is Main Street, period.

Additionally, President Trump’s economic DNA outlook is comprised of American business interests at a micro-cellular level.

As a direct result of Trump’s MAGAnomics the distance between the Wall Street economy and the Main Street economy narrows.

How long until Main Street once again surpasses Wall Street is up for debate.

However, regardless of how long it takes, within the narrowing process we find a shift from “dependence” to “independence”; all created by Trump’s America-First economy.

This prosperity is achieved with the common sense principle behind Making America Great Again.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/03/01/he-speaks-big-truth-a-message-for-hollywood/#more-160690

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Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Sad KangAnon on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 7:10pm

Someone needs to learn what "truth" means.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 7:48pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Someone needs to learn what "truth" means.

Yep.

WWW search....
Canada's Justin Trudeau refuses to resign over claims of interference in bribery trial

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Sad KangAnon on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 7:58am

You're sourcing all your information from the ultra-conservative blogosphere. They're not known for their facts, and their opinions are often guided more by the interests of their benefactors rather than the truth.

They may start out with something factual, but then they twist reality to suit their talking points.

I don't need you to answer this, but I hope you at least ask yourself the question, do you ever bother to fact check any of these stories that you agree with?

Food for thought.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Sad KangAnon on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 8:09am

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 7:48pm:

WWW search....
Canada's Justin Trudeau refuses to resign over claims of interference in bribery trial

See this is a great example of the tactics the right uses.

There is currently only claims made and not even an investigation.

You're judging him to be guilty already, because he's seen as the enemy of the right all over the world because he does things differently.

But when we talk about Trump and Russia, it's a witch hunt, he's innocent and it's all a bit conspiracy and plot to undermine his Presidency.

So why is your approach to the two so different?

Because you source your info from the opinions of these bias sources and don't bother to fact check, or even be consistent with how you deal with a given situation.

You seem to work backwards from finding the outcome you want first based on the opinion you've been fed (Left bad, Right good), then looking for information that supports that, rather than seeking the truth and letting that guide your opinion.

If you want to Judge Trudeau as being guilty simply because there has been an accusation made, can we start doing this to Trump?

Or, if there is no evidence in the world that will make you be critical of Trump, then why does this also not extend to Trudeau?

It's an interesting but not at all uncommon corner you've painted yourself into. It seems to be standard practice for conservatives and especially Trump supporters. They deal in spin, lies and false narratives and forget that everything they say and do is archived on the Internet.

I guarantee you there is literally not a single major decisions Trump has made that there isn't a tweet from him criticising Obama and calling for the end of his Presidency for making the exact same choice.

But it seems that none of this matters because Trump's supporters are like you. The truth doesn't matter, just so long as they think they're right.

And embarrassingly, it's the same for Trump. So long as he thinks he's right, everything is fine. Just like with the MOU embarrassment. It shows the people around him know this too, and they have to pad his ego when he's wrong in order to get the right thing done, otherwise he's too stubborn to admit he's wrong and will dig his heels in no matter what, even if it means a terrible outcome for the country, like the tariffs.

This is what is so dangerous in abandoning the truth.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by mortdooley on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 12:11am

[email]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=179&v=HW1ZJf0ZvEM[/email]
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Someone needs to learn what "truth" means.

Yes they do and it can start with you.

https://iotwreport.com/if-i-were-the-devil-paul-harvey-2019-version/

If it is your desire to see the United States reduced to a Third World Country just say so. Be plain about your hope for America to no longer have any influence in the World.

Half the country pays no federal Income tax but feel the half that does isn't paying "their fair share"! They actually get money from the government and feel the other half needs to give them more. How anyone who has a real grasp of "Right and Wrong" can support the Left is amazing.

Maybe a food analogy will help. Socialism is a restaurant that has no cooks. Pretty wait staff, polite management, and attractive furnishings. Just no food. Obama famously said "we all want a piece of the pie", the failure of that philosophy is that we can bake more pies. Government doesn't need to steal part of my pie for its own purpose. You can have all of your pie and I will use mine as I see fit without you taking part of it for someone feeding off the system.

Government fans have this insane idea that government supplies itself with stuff magic’ed out of thin air, like Santa Claus. “Dollars”. Government can do anything no matter how the taxpayers respond because they can always print dollars. Just like Zimbabwe, who must have been the mightiest military conquerer on the planet ever because they printed the most zeros on their get-out-of-jail-free cards.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Dr Hard n Fast on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 8:51am

Yadda wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 5:39pm:

He waffled on a bit , But certainly made a few valid points

Hard n Fast

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 11:34am

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 12:11am:

Half the country pays no federal Income tax but feel the half that does isn't paying "their fair share"!

They actually get money from the government and feel the other half needs to give them more.

How anyone who has a real grasp of "Right and Wrong" can support the Left is amazing.

Maybe a food analogy will help.

Socialism is a restaurant that has no cooks.

Pretty wait staff, polite management, and attractive furnishings.

Just no food.

Obama famously said "we all want a piece of the pie", the failure of that philosophy is that we can bake more pies.

Government doesn't need to steal part of my pie for its own purpose.

You can have all of your pie and I will use mine as I see fit without you taking part of it for someone feeding off the system.

I like analogies.

Good ones can always reduce bitter disputes [about an issue], down to obvious, conclusive arguments !!

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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher

"Harmony makes small things grow, lack of it makes great things decay."
- Sallust / Bits & Pieces

Rules, and our respect for rules, foster harmony among men.
- Yadda

The unreasonable man, doesn't want peace.
He is the person who simply wants to do, as he wishes.
And he will often call that outcome [getting what he wishes], 'a fair outcome'.
- Yadda

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Dictionary;
psychopath = = a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 6:18pm

[not a post for Bobby! just close the window Bobby! ]

Socialists/political LEFTISTS;

They promise everyone an egalitarian Utopia.

....if we will just trust them, and elect them to government, AND GIVE THEM THE POWER, to change our world.

Just like the citizens have done in Carlyfornca [...trust their socialist pollies].

It is always a 'good bet', to trust socialists/political LEFTISTS;

Honest!

/sarc off

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California: Its a Utopian paradise, i tells ya!

Quote:

How Dangerous Is The L.A. Homeless Problem? This Dangerous.

By James Barrett
June 25, 2019

A new video report by KOMO News on the homeless crisis in Los Angeles highlights what addiction specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky describes as conditions not seen since the Middle Ages....

"Tuberculosis is exploding, nontuberculous mycobacteria, and then the rat-borne illnesses, plague and typhus.

We had typhoid fever last week," Pinsky says in exasperation, explaining that means that we have "oral and fecal contamination, so that's going to mean parasites and cholera" (video below).

The bubonic plague, responsible for over 25 million deaths over a five-year span in the 1300s, is likely already present in these homeless encampments, Dr. Drew warns.

"Everything you found in your history books, we've got it, it's coming," he says.

That plague can be rapidly spread by the million or so rats that have now exploded in the area.

That "army of rats," KOMO News reports, have infested City Hall and the LAPD station in downtown L.A., which was recently fined for rodent infestation, while two employees were infected with typhus.

Officers have been diagnosed with typhoid fever, hepatitis-A, and staph.

Skid Row, where thousands of homeless line the streets, "has been in L.A. for a long time, but not like this," KOMO News reports.

"Never like this."

"People get beaten, women get raped.

It's just a brutal environment," says Andy Bales, CEO of the Union Rescue Mission, which is dedicated to helping the homeless in the area.

Bales notes that there's 1,000 sex offenders currently on the streets.

"This is like a petri dish for disease," he says.

While providing water to the homeless, Bales contracted staph, E. coli and strep, losing his leg in the process....

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48852/watch-how-dangerous-la-homeless-problem-dangerous-james-barrett

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Trusting socialists/political LEFTISTS, with your life, and with your children's future.

Watch the movie !

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WARNING: Do not watch this YT if you are easily alarmed!!!
IT WILL SHOCK YOU. This is happening in 'liberal' California, in 2019 !!!

Paradise Lost_ Homeless in Los Angeles
7 min
https://youtu.be/9D9pZEjSxXQ

https://youtu.be/9D9pZEjSxXQ

see also....
More about the socialist utopia, which pollies can deliver to us, if we will just trust them !

Where 'Progressive' social policies are leading us
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1555247299/0#0

A socialist nightmare in venezuela
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534901174/0#0

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"No need to wait! The future can be yours today!"

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 9:41am

Making us all equal, and voiding all social 'distinctions'.

Its the socialist's dream for every human society.

And, it is coming. .....to California, very soon.

distinction = =
1 a marked difference or contrast. the action of distinguishing.
2 excellence that serves to mark someone or something out from others. special honour or recognition. an examination grade denoting excellence.

WWW search....
San Francisco’s New PC Terms For Criminals Met With Mockery

Quote:

Amid the city's interconnected and rapidlly escalating crime and homelessness crises, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors has determined that one of the ways it can help inspire the city's expanding criminal population to good behavior is to simply play some games with language.

".....one of the ways it can help inspire the city's expanding criminal population to good behavior...."

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a "convicted felon"    becomes....a "formerly incarcerated person," or a "justice-involved" person, or even a "returning resident,"

someone "on parole,"    becomes....a person "under supervision."

"substance abusers" or "drug addicts"    becomes....people "with a history of substance use." [n.b. not ABUSE]

a "juvenile delinquent"    becomes....a "young person with justice system involvement"

a "rapist"    becomes....a "extra-normative, sexually expressive individual"

.....that last one, i made up.

.....but it'll cum.

California, its going to be the new socialist paradise, i tells ya !

Soon, all of the citizens of California will enjoy total equality.

And all social ills, like racism and crime will be completely eliminated.

Honest !

It will be the new human Utopia !

/sarc off

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 12:17pm

So much poorly formatted crap.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by longweekend58 on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 6:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

So much poorly formatted crap.

Ironically, it is how conspiracy theorists ALWAYS format their material. IN fact, you can tell it a mile way without even reading it. They might as well literally write in crayon and display it like yadda does.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 8:46pm

@ Reply #11, and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?

Water off a ducks back.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Abu on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 11:09pm

I blame Islam.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 7:28am

Yadda wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 8:46pm:

@ Reply #11, and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?

Water off a ducks back.

Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 7:28am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 8:46pm:

@ Reply #11, and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?

Water off a ducks back.

Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.

Socialists. !!!!

No matter what format you would present information to them in,
if they didn't like the message, they will always 'shoot the messenger.'

You know its true !

Socialists are all intellectuals.

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

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"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
- George Orwell

"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality."
- George Orwell

"I consider that willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty."
- George Orwell, to his friend John Middleton Murry, a wartime pacifist

"Nothing is gained by teaching a parrot a new word. What is needed is the right to print what one believes to be true, without having to fear bullying or blackmail from any side."
- George Orwell
ideology vs. truth

"To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable.
It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like."
- George Orwell

"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist.
This is elementary common sense.
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other.
Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one.
In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me."
- George Orwell.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by greggerypeccary on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:05am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

So much poorly formatted crap.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Bojack Horseman on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:52am

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 7:28am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 27^th, 2019 at 8:46pm:

@ Reply #11, and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?

Water off a ducks back.

Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.

Well how can one address the message when yo can't read the message because of the formatting.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by KangAnon on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by longweekend58 on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 10:18pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Richdude on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 10:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?

I'm in a reflective mood today.

Weak End instead of spitting venom on everyone here. Why don't you examine the genesis of your hatred - yourself.

You would become more honest, saner and much happier. These curses you make, always boomerang!

Be a plus for these debates as well! May even become a Trump supporter!

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Abu on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:11am

Richdude wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 10:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?

I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Richdude on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:24pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:11am:

Richdude wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 10:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?

I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.

You do much reflection Karnal? Tell us what it was like growing up in Islamabad.

Start a new thread if you like.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Abu on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:11pm

Richdude wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 2:11am:

Richdude wrote on Aug 29^th, 2019 at 1:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 10:18pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 12:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !

Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?

I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.

You do much reflection Karnal? Tell us what it was like growing up in Islamabad.

Start a new thread if you like.

I grew up in Sydney, dear. You?

Title: California solves its homelessness crisis
Post by Yadda on Feb 25^th, 2020 at 5:49pm

California solves its homelessness crisis

....honest !!!

Local doctors [in California] need only write 'those in need', a prescription for housing.

That is the 'solution' which is being proposed by the LEFTIST California governor Gavin Newsom !!

Quote:

February 25th, 2020

CA Gov Newsom Has Magic Plan To Solve Homeless Problem.

By Hank Berrien
DailyWire.com

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ca-gov-newsom-has-magic-plan-to-solve-homeless-problem-ted-cruz-hits-him-with-reality

Yadda said...
They promise an egalitarian Utopia
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551512352/0#0

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by mortdooley on Feb 25^th, 2020 at 11:54pm

When you subsidize something you get more of it, just see the failures of utopia California.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/02/22/on-leaving-the-golden-state/

Another feature of living where I live would have to be the homeless, the insane and the drug addicts that wander this particular neighborhood. The authorities estimate that there are more than 1100 homeless in and around my part of town but unless you too live in such a neighborhood, it can be hard to imagine so I’ll do my best to explain. Please humor me while I tell you what that looks like from ground zero.

As I wait for my morning coffee to brew, I can see the more industrious homeless pushing or pulling their junk carts from under the overpass where they spent the night. During the day, these guys will scoop up anything of value that is not nailed down. Others that I can see have their signs and will go panhandle where the tourists must exit the freeway.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 12:28am

@ Reply #26,

Socialism.....

Promises a Utopia, ....where there will be, no want.

Delivers, lies [as hope]. .....and disappointment and disillusionment and misery.

Proverbs 29:18
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Socialism.....

Teaches helplessness and encourages [establishes] dependency - and rewards thieves and liars.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565906239/0#0

Quote:

......Socialism is brilliant, and laudable, in theory.

But human nature ['the human condition'] always defeats it, in practice.

laudable = = deserving praise and commendation.

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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher

"Socialism only works
In two places:
Heaven where they don't
Need it and hell where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan

If you want more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of something, tax it.
- Ronald Reagan

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan

'The taxpayer:
That's someone who works
For the federal government
But doesn't have to take the
Civil service examination.'
- Ronald Reagan

'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a
Big appetite at one end and
No sense of responsibility
At the other'
- Ronald Reagan

'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.'
- Ronald Reagan

'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.
I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first'
- Ronald Reagan

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:28am

Yadda, you keep talking about socialism. This is how those you're getting your information from have decided is an effective way to attack Sanders.

Given that it's working on you, they're probably right.

But Sanders isn't advocating for socialism.

Medicare for all is not socialism. A livable wage for all is not socialism. Even closing loopholes so people and corporations pay the level of taxaition they're already expected to isn't socialism.

Do you even know what socialism is?

Sanders is a capitalist.

All he is suggesting is that some of the taxation raised via the capitalist US Economy go towards ensuring people don't have to lose their house, everything they own and have to declare bankruptcy just to pay their healthcare bills or are even able to attend college without incurring the levels of debt that will prevent them from ever being able to own a house to lose when their healthcare bills come in, or even attend college at all.

That's not socialism. It's universal healthcare.

The reason you're linking it with Socialism is that, like "Global Warming" was replaced with "Climate Change" because people were arguing that "It's snowing, so much for global warming", those lobby groups who have a vested interest in healthcare being about generating profits rather than patient healthcare and positive outcomes, they rebranded "Universal Healthcare" to "Socialised Healthcare" and since it's got the word "social" in it, it's a simple hop over to accusing anyone who floats the idea of being a socialist and then the tards you get your information from are now painting the entire Democratic party as Socialists who want to turn the US into a third world country.

You've basically being manipulated into supporting policies and ideology that exploit you to profit others, the ones manipulating you.

It's actually quite genius in its implementation, but it shows how backwards and ignorant humans can still be, despite how far we've come from our cave-dwelling days.

Or perhaps it's the lack of decent education which is why it's more of a problem in the US and in increasing problem closer to home as both countries slide lower and lower on the world stage of education outcomes.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by rhino on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 25^th, 2020 at 11:54pm:

Trumps economy. Great isnt it?

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:37am

rhino wrote on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:32am:

Mortdooley wrote on Feb 25^th, 2020 at 11:54pm:

Trumps economy. Great isnt it?

Trump has the crime and drug thing sorted, the wall will fix everything. Too bad the Military have to subsidize it's construction.

Wait... subsidize...

Oh no, the wall is Socialism!!!>!>!>!>##$@>$!>$

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Yadda on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 11:15am

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:28am:

Hey, sadkanga,

Sanders isn't advocating for socialism.

And, ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

GOT IT.

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 11:29am

Yadda wrote on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 11:15am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 8:28am:

Hey, sadkanga,

Sanders isn't advocating for socialism.

And, ISLAM is a peaceful religion.

GOT IT.

You're free to quote Sanders advocating for Socialism, or even not run away from answering the question, do you even know what Socialism is?

Title: Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Post by Karnal on Feb 26^th, 2020 at 11:48am

Quote:

But Sanders isn't advocating for socialism.

Medicare for all is not socialism. A livable wage for all is not socialism. Even closing loopholes so people and corporations pay the level of taxaition they're already expected to isn't socialism.

Actually, I think you'll find those things are the very definition of socialism, Sad.

Conservative parties all over the world might support these policies, but there's nothing stopping conservatism from veering into socialism.

You can see this in the spectrum of views from the British monarchy's notion of noblesse oblige to Nazism/fascism's National Socialism. National Socialism was the right's response to communism.

Democratic or Fabian socialism is only slightly left of centre. It too was a response to communism after the Paris Commune and popular uprisings of the 1840s. Leaders like Bismarck saw it as the only way to stop their populations staging revolutions. The British Labour Party took it on, as did Marx in his later years. Fabian or democratic socialism saw the rise of the hospital, along with other previously utilitarian causes, like prison reform. Democratic socialism established aged and blind pensions, free health care and the rise of unions.

The US did not establish these things until FDR in the 1930s. Prior to that, labour unions were illegal in the US. These social programs were a response to the Great Depression. Like Bismarck in the 1890s, the US feared the rise of communism. Democratic socialism was a move to the centre. When Bernie references socialism, he's referring to the principles and unfinished reforms of FDR.

And do you know? Despite the right's willingness to embrace modest components of socialism (especially since Trump), Bernie has not got a hope in hell. Just think, the reforms of Bismarck and FDR are considered a utopian fantasy in the US.

Sadly, a do-nothing professional politician like Sleepy Joe is the Democrats' only hope to beat Trump, but what kind of hope is that?