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Title: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 6:55pm

If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what moslems living in the West, they saying.

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California: Muslim spoke of committing jihad massacres at “dance clubs, bars…because there’s people everywhere”
Mar 01, 2019

dance clubs, bars [and pop music concert events, attended by large numbers of teenage children, of those who are the everlasting enemies of Allah] = = 'Target rich environments' !!!

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Australia: Muslim cleric who called 9/11 a “comedy film” is speaking in mosques nationwide
Mar 01, 2019

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Illinois: Muslim cleric says “we all have a higher goal, and that is the establishment of the caliphate”
Mar 01, 2019

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[not in the West]
Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”
Mar 01, 2019

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France: Muslim who screamed “Allahu akbar” and said he’d slit soldiers’ throats gets 10-month suspended sentence
Mar 01, 2019

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:39am

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 11:48am

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:39am:

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

Yep.

Moslems living within host secular nations, will not admit this [ISLAMIC imperative], to their host population.

And even many non-moslems, in those host secular nations, who have heard these 'rumours' about what ISLAM [really] 'represents', simply refuse to publicly confront such an uncomfortable subject.

IMO, such a position, by any individual citizen, is a direct abrogation of his/her responsibilities as a citizen, living in a free nation.

It seems that many native people, living in nations like Australia, have no real appreciation of how their freedom and peace and prosperity was secured, and have no real appreciation of how valuable [how precious!] those attributes within a nation like Australia are.

So be it.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 11:06pm

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Canada: Muslim who said “all non-Muslims should be killed” ordered to meet weekly with imam for Islam instruction
By Robert Spencer on Mar 02, 2019
[of course no follower of ISLAM, here in Australia, would ever utter such a heinous incitement /sarc off ]

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Video from UK: Muslim threatens Christian preacher, cops arrest preacher for “Islamophobia”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 02, 2019

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Rep. Ilhan Omar walks back her apology for her anti-Semitism, says furor is only “because I’m Muslim”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 02, 2019
[moslem, Rep. Ilhan Omar, preaches hatred of Jewish people, she is the victim.]

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UK: Muslim peer Lord Nazir Ahmed charged with attempted child rape with girl and boy under 13
By Robert Spencer on Mar 02, 2019
“Islam has no age barrier in marriage and Muslims have no apology for those who refuse to accept this”

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Oklahoma: Hamas-linked CAIR enraged as judge dismisses Muslima’s lawsuit over having to take off hijab at courthouse
By Robert Spencer on Jan 31, 2019

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Germany: Muslim migrant murders his sister’s lover because he was not Muslim
By Robert Spencer on Jan 31, 2019

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[not in the West]
Nigeria: Muslims murder at least 60 people, set homes on fire, chase those fleeing and kill them also
By Robert Spencer on Feb 05, 2019
[but these moslems are only 'defending ISLAM']

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New York City: Muslim Community Patrol working in cars resembling NYPD cars, wearing NYPD uniform lookalikes
By Robert Spencer on Feb 05, 2019
[moslems need to do this, in order to be seen to be 'defending' their own community]

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[not in the West]
India: Muslims chop off hands of man who opposed their attempt to convert Hindus to Islam, he bleeds to death
By Robert Spencer on Feb 06, 2019

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“I am your rapist”: Muslims bombard former Islamic State sex slaves in Canada with threatening phone calls and texts
By Robert Spencer on Feb 06, 2019
[causing terror in the hearts of the enemies of Allah, is 'good works']

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[not in the West]
Saudi Arabia develops app to stop women from traveling without permission from male guardians
By Robert Spencer on Feb 06, 2019
[its about encouraging tech innovation, in Saudi Arabia]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 10:49pm

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UK: Muslim man threatens Muslim woman for wearing Western clothing
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 03, 2019
[coz, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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[not in the West]
Afghanistan: Taliban “committed to all rights of women that have been given to them by the sacred religion of Islam”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 07, 2019
[which is - "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other..."

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Germany: Muslim migrant who lied about being a “minor refugee” murders girlfriend for refusing to convert to Islam
By Robert Spencer on Feb 07, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace]

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UK: Muslim migrant rapes primary school-age girl in “vile sex attack” lasting over 30 minutes
By Robert Spencer on Feb 07, 2019
[coz, this is 100% lawful, to a devout moslem - ISLAMIC law]

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[not in the West]
Pakistan: Muslim cleric defends blasphemy laws, says they have saved thousands of people from vigilante violence
By Robert Spencer on Feb 08, 2019
[....and suppressed any effort to engage in debate with moslems, about ISLAM, in Pakistan]

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New Jersey: Imam says Muslims should reject “freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 08, 2019
[because such freedoms always come into conflict with the social imperatives which are dictated by ISLAMIC law]

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Muslim who stabbed man, screamed “I’m going to kill you, Allah Allah” pleads not guilty on grounds of mental illness
By Robert Spencer on Feb 08, 2019
[this is a legal defence, presented/claimed by so many Jihadi attackers in the West. [LIGHTER SENTENCING!] ]

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UK: Muslims convert homeless man to Islam, try to recruit him for jihad, threaten and assault him when he refuses
By Joshua Winston on Feb 08, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace]

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[not in the West]
India: Family forces woman to sleep with father-in-law to fulfill Islamic law
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 08, 2019
[coz, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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Palestinians: No Peace or Reconciliation with the 'Infidels' [aka, Israelis]
by Khaled Abu Toameh, March 4, 2019
[as mandated by ISLAMIC law]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 10:24pm

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Australian Broadcasting Corporation: “Has Catholicism done more harm to Australia than Islam?”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 04, 2019
[of course it has! whereas, ISLAM is an exemplary 'good citizen' in Australia [...just ask any ABC journalist or program producer!] ]

REPEAT.....
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Australia: Top lawyers, judges and provincial Supreme Court justices go to mosque to show solidarity with Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[because, 'we are sure, that' ISLAM is peace]

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UK: Supporters of Muslim rape gang threaten to rape female court prosecutors
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 04, 2019
[because the followers of ISLAM have always been exemplary 'good citizens' in the UK.
and, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied ]

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ISIS bride who wants to return to US: “Spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 04, 2019
['what!?    the West destroyed OUR virtuous caliphate!! and now we moslems will make you pay!' ]

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New graphic novel depicts Jesus beheading his foes with a whirling sword
By Robert Spencer on Mar 04, 2019
[in a new graphic novel, two atheists depict Jesus as a violent man, beheading his foes.
in ISLAM, in the Koran, the moslem 'Jesus' is depicted as a good moslem and a follower/worshiper of Allah,
and as a vengeful destroyer who will return to earth, to slaughter everyone who has rejected ISLAM. ]

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[not in the West]
Muslim cleric says non-Muslims must convert, submit, or be killed, and those who leave Islam must be killed
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[as mandated by ISLAMIC law - the Jihad, against 'disbelievers']

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South Carolina man converts to Islam, plants explosives all over Anderson County
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace,    and because ISLAM teaches peace and tolerance of others, in all of its religious texts]

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Australia: Top lawyers, judges and provincial Supreme Court justices go to mosque to show solidarity with Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[because, 'we are sure, that' ISLAM is peace]

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Australia: Judge Calls on Muslims to Disavow Violent Qur’an Verses
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09
['but, but,    you are asking us, to disavow the foundational religious precepts, which our faith encourages!!!']

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[not in the West]
Saudi Arabia: Man asks mother if she is Shia, then cab driver beheads her 6-year-old son
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[Shia - Is 'wrong kind of moslem', to Sunni.    And, Sunni - Is 'wrong kind of moslem', to Shia.
these circumstances = = never-ending WAR between Shia ISLAM, and Sunni ISLAM!]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by mothra on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:49am

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:39am:

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

Now concentrate. What does that tell you?

Moreover, would you prefer he do otherwise?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:15am

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:39am:

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

Fair cop. I am a pacifist at heart and I try to find Quranic support for this stance.

Yes I rationalise the Quran, as I believe all muslims do, and indeed as I believe the Quran itself encourages muslims to do. I make no apologies for trying to interpret verses that are on the surface difficult and incompatible with a modern civilized society - into something that is compatible with modern civilized society. No doubt you will call it 'glossing over' and being in denial etc... but I put it to you, what alternative would you prefer? If I look at this from a non-muslim point of view (something that is actually easy for me, given my cultural background), with the view that the Quran clearly promotes and orders violence, there are 3 possible paths for believing muslims to take when confronted with this "reality":

1. they are so appalled by the cognitive dissonance, they abandon Islam
2. they are faithful to the Quran and go out and kill as many non-muslims as they can
3. they "gloss over" the bad Quranic bits, and rationalise their religion into something compatible with modern civilized society.

Given that option 1 will almost always remain only as an Islam-critic's fantasy, as a non-muslim potentially in the firing line, which option out of 2 and 3 would you prefer muslims take?

I've said it before, but it completely baffles me why you guys are not actually congratulating me for being a spineless, hypocritical practicer of option 3, and (in your view) doing the mental gymnastics required to insist Islam is peaceful. You should be encouraging such muslims - as the pre-2007 FD seemed to do when you optimistically used to post articles of about progressive and reformist Islamic movements (remember that?)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:39am:

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

It's not glossing over, G. "Fighting" does not refer to troops in battle as you've pointed out yourself. Mohammed Ali, for example, justified his pacifist stance as his jihad. His fight was against US imperialism. He used words, not weapons.

Your own struggle here, I'd hazard, is keeping your dignity in a debate with people who troll you mercilessly, try to trip you up and tell porkies. Your struggle is to maintain your principles where those around you have abandoned theirs.

That's the real fight - staying disciplined, showing respect to others and holding to your core beliefs.

Taqiyya, innit.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm

I've tried the 'this is what the Quran really means, and why' route K, its brick wall territory here.

Now I'm trying empathy, looking at it from their point of view. If people have their hearts set on one particular interpretation of the Quran and can't be budged, then maybe its worth making your case from that starting point. So I play devils advocate and weigh up the realities of a hypothetical world in which around 2 billion people adhere to a dangerous cult invented by a homocidal maniacal psychopathic pedophile, who wrote an evil doctrine of bloodlust and hatred of anything non-muslim, and compelled all muslims to follow it. If that really must be the starting point, then what would you prefer the thought processes of practicing muslims to be? To be honest and carry out the murder and destruction demanded by their cult, or to be dishonest and "gloss over" and do mental contortions to rationalise their cult into something peaceful and compatible with civilized society? Does it make sense to mock and ridicule those adherents who do the latter? Not to me.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 3:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

Nor me, but "fighting" is not seen by Muslims as joining a militia and killing people. Every Muslim I've talked with about this has made that point - Jihad is a spiritual struggle, a struggle with your own demons. Yes, it can also be an external struggle against injustice, as Muhammed Ali showed.

These are the facts. You've shown them this through Quran quotes with their correct translation, and yes, it's like going up against a brick wall. FD quotes only half the passage. Moses interprets it to mean the exact opposite of what it says. Y just blathers on.

Practicing Christians are certainly capable of ignoring parts of the Bible and carrying on with their faith. I can't see why Muslims would be compelled to blow themselves up by a misreading of a passage in the Quran when the rest of the faith go about their business adhering to the spirit of the book, which is about faith and spiritual evolution.

I mean this, I don't understand Jihadists. We've discussed poverty, but many Jihadists are rich. We've discussed education, but many are professionals, including doctors. If it was as simple as just blaming the Quran, all would be solved, but it's not - particularly when the Quran is emphatic on killing innocents, which includes suicide.

There is rape in the name of Islam, organised crime, drug trafficking, money laundering, and all are described by the Quran as haram. I can understand this and I'm not a Muslim, just as I can understand Christians anointing female priests and allowing homosexuality.

The Quran, as I see it, encourages people to think for themselves. It's about struggling with your inner urges to spiritually evolve. There is no way a thinking person could use Islam to justify rape, suicide bombing or drug trafficking.

Just as Moses et al explain Christian terrorists as not keeping to the Bible, the same is true for the Quran. The old boy's chasing Brian around to tell him he's a numpty for thinking Christianity creates paedophiles and war mongers. He's right, of course. These are human foibles, the very thing Christianity and Islam encourage us to struggle against.

That, after all, is what Jihad is about, as every Muslim schoolboy knows.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 4:27pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

The Quran, as I see it, encourages people to think for themselves. It's about struggling with your inner urges to spiritually evolve. There is no way a thinking person could use Islam to justify rape, suicide bombing or drug trafficking.

Indeed. Which is why suicide bombers etc are typically not thinking people. And they are demonstrably not looking to take the difficult road of spiritual evolution. When you think about it, suicide bombing is the ultimate selfish and materialist act - its done for purely materialistic desires - the promise of a priority pass to boos, gold and (most importantly) pussy - literally what the 'martyrs' believe is awaiting them. Its an absolute copout, and pathetic, and completely missing the point of the Quran.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:01pm

Quote:

1. they are so appalled by the cognitive dissonance, they abandon Islam

2. they are faithful to the Quran and go out and kill as many non-muslims as they can

3. they "gloss over" the bad Quranic bits, and rationalise their religion into something compatible with modern civilized society.

Therein lies the problem:

The qur'an can and does motivate some muslims to commit the most inhumane of deeds against mankind.

While ever the qur'an remains untouched and is revered as being the infallible words of allah, this particular circumstance (muslims turning to terrorism because the qur'an says so) will always be one of the consequences of islam.

It's not enough to simply dismiss the evil in the qur'an with the now prevalent excuses of, "oh well well we disregard it" or "well we try to rationalize it to mean something else".

Both of these are nothing more than passive support for the terrorism.

If the muslims refuse to renounce the evil verses we are talking about, it simply means that they are happy with the status quo of: there will always be muslims who will literally follow the qur'an and go out and try to slaughter as many non believers as they can.

If they didn't want muslims turning to rape torture and mass murder, because verses in the qur'an cause and motivate it, they would renounce these evil verses in a heartbeat, not make fallacious excuses all the time about, * disregarding the verses or glossing over them*.

If they are happy with this situation they are supporters of terrorism, pure and simple.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:18pm

Lets focus on this idea of "renouncing" moses, because you always bring this up.

What exactly do you mean?

My understanding of the word is something equating to "abandon", "reject", "refuse to recognise".

Pretty much all it boils down to in this context is for muslims to reject violence - no?

But still you attempt this type of meaningless hair splitting:

Quote:

It's not enough to simply dismiss the evil in the qur'an with the now prevalent excuses of, "oh well well we disregard it" or "well we try to rationalize it to mean something else".

Explain to me moses what is "trying to rationalize [alleged calls to violence] to mean something else" if not "renouncing" said violence in the quran?

There is no meaningful difference moses, thats the point here. Muslims can and do "renounce" violence and "evil bits" purported to come from the Quran all the time. I can't see why insisting that violence and 'evil bits' exist in the Quran in the first place is a necessary prerequisite to reject violence in one's Islamic beliefs.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 4:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Google: taqiyya.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

I've tried the 'this is what the Quran really means, and why' route K, its brick wall territory here.

But why does it have to be ?

A.
Only because you choose to make it so. [with your intentional moslem obfuscation]

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polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

Now I'm trying empathy, looking at it from their point of view.

If people have their hearts set on one particular interpretation of the Quran and can't be budged, then maybe its worth making your case from that starting point.

So I play devils advocate and weigh up the realities of a hypothetical world in which around 2 billion people adhere to a dangerous cult.....

Yes they do, gandalf.

And it is good of you to be willing to acknowledge and to state that, even it was only in jest ?

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polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

......invented by a homocidal maniacal psychopathic pedophile, who wrote an evil doctrine of bloodlust and hatred of anything non-muslim, and compelled all muslims to follow it.

No argument, gandaf.

You accurately describe the character of 'ISLAM's great man', Mohammed.
[cited and confirmed from ISLAMIC sources]

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 2:19pm:

If that really must be the starting point, then what would you prefer the thought processes of practicing muslims to be?

1/ To be honest and carry out the murder and destruction demanded by their cult,

2/ or to be dishonest and "gloss over" and do mental contortions to rationalise their cult into something peaceful and compatible with civilized society?

Does it make sense to mock and ridicule those adherents who do the latter? Not to me.

gandalf,

Why must you frame that argument as though there must only be those two options ????

Another option...... gandalf.

Option 3/
Moslems who are repulsed by what ISLAMIC scripture teaches,
could denounce AND renounce ISLAM, as a corrupting and violent philosophy.

Because they choose to reject Allah's commands [in the Koran], to murder non-moslems because they don't believe as they [moslems] believe.

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gandalf, you complain about people [critics of ISLAM] ['somehow'] misrepresenting what the verses of Koran command...

gandalf said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551516909/7#7

Quote:

freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2019 at 9:39am:
[quote]
Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”

Gandalf likes to ignore or gloss over the parts of the Quran that tell him, quite clearly, that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for him.

Fair cop.

I am a pacifist at heart and I try to find Quranic support for this stance.

Yes I rationalise the Quran, as I believe all muslims do,

and indeed as I believe the Quran itself encourages muslims to do.

[/quote]

gandalf,
Please explain to us, how do you 'rationalise' away what Allah commands in a verse like Koran 9.29 ?

Please show us [as practicing 'pacifist at heart' moslem], how you interpret Koran 9.29, in a way which allows you to disobey Allah,
'because Allah does not really mean, what the words of Koran 9.29, say they mean'.

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Even more.....

Quote:

Pakistan: Government minister says “Jihad is a duty in Islam. Those who avoid jihad are not Muslims.”
Mar 01, 2019

And gandalf, does that Pakistan Government minister speaking to moslems, speak the truth, regarding the mandatory obligation upon every believer ?

Or is he a liar, who is willfully and maliciously misrepresenting [a really pacifist] ISLAM ?

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IMAGE....

'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, doing 'good works' in Syria/Iraq.

Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

- 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:44pm

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

There is no meaningful difference moses, thats the point here. Muslims can and do "renounce" violence and "evil bits" purported to come from the Quran all the time. I can't see why insisting that violence and 'evil bits' exist in the Quran in the first place is a necessary prerequisite to reject violence in one's Islamic beliefs.

Where are your muslims who renounce the evil bits in the qur'an gandi?

You say you're objecting to the prerequisite to recognize that evil exists in the qur'an;

Well excuse me but what are you going to renounce, if you don't cite the depravity in the qur'an gandi?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:26pm

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France: Muslim prisoner screaming “Allahu akbar” stabs guards with knife wife smuggled in during conjugal visit
By Robert Spencer on Mar 05, 2019
[but can you imagine the hullabaloo it would have caused,    if this 'innocent' and 'reserved' moslem woman, had been told that she would be subjected to a whole-of-body search, as a condition of her visit ?]

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UK: Muslims tell Muslim cop she is not a “proper Muslim” because she was wearing uniform
By Robert Spencer on Mar 05, 2019
[coz ISLAM teaches about the brotherhood of all mankind - NOT! ]
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Muslim from NZ joined ISIS, called for jihad massacres in NZ, would be “surprised” if NZ doesn’t allow him back
By Robert Spencer on Mar 05, 2019
[the moslem is the virtuous person.    and what right has a filthy disbeliever, to judge a moslem!
disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - google it]

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Islamic State jihadis call for steep escalation in online jihad
By Robert Spencer on Mar 05, 2019
[but around the world open criticism of ISLAM, is being criminalised in many jurisdictions [as ISLAM-O-PHOBIA].]

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[not in the West]
Yemen: Girls as young as three being married off to much older men
By Robert Spencer on Mar 05, 2019
[nothing amiss here.    every good moslem knows, old men marrying young girls is 100% lawful, in ISLAMIC law.    Mohammed, was their example.]

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[not in the West]
Philippines: Muslims murder man for failing to recite Qur’an verses, release six others who could recite them
By Robert Spencer on Feb 10, 2019
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you..." Koran 9.123
"And those with him [Mohammed] are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Texas teen converts to Islam, uses social media to recruit for jihad terror group
By Robert Spencer on Feb 10, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace,    and because ISLAM teaches peace and tolerance of others, in all of its religious texts - NOT!]

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New York City man converts to Islam, says “I want to execute. I want to behead,” tries to join jihad terror group
By Robert Spencer on Feb 10, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace,    and because ISLAM teaches peace and tolerance of others, in all of its religious texts - NOT!]

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Muslima from Canada: “Having slaves is part of Sharia. I believe in Sharia, wherever Sharia is”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 11, 2019
[coz ISLAM teaches about the brotherhood of all mankind - NOT! ]
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Turkey: Politician calls for expulsion of Armenians as revenge for French recognition of Armenian genocide
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 11, 2019
[coz, killing the enemies of Allah, ALL OF THEM, is not genocide.]
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war]. A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

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India: Large crowd of Muslims clap and cheer at court for Muslims who brutally murdered Hindu
By Robert Spencer on Feb 11, 2019
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you..." Koran 9.123
"And those with him [Mohammed] are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29
[because, ISLAM is peace]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 12:43pm

moses wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

They are our doctors, teachers, nurses, engineers, you name it. They are all around you moses if you bothered to take notice. The vast majority of muslims in fact.

All of these people renounce violence. Thats the point. Why should it matter whether or not they accept that its ordained in the Quran or not? The only important thing should be is that they demonstrably do renounce violence.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 12:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

moses wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

Yes, but I think you'll find Moses wants them to renounce their religion.

Squatting down to pee and playing with your dick afterwards is optional.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 1:24pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

Yes, but I think you'll find Moses wants them to renounce their religion.

One can't help thinking that its the schadenfreude of wallowing in a muslim's humiliation and indignity as they proclaim that they were wrong and he was right - that moses is most interested in.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 2:53pm

Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

bullshit was all the band could play

What a load of absolute lies and passive support for islamic terrorism gandi.

The muslims who take the qur'an at it's word and perpetrate terrorist acts as an act of obedience to their faith, are absolutely no worse that the verses in the qur'an which motivate them.

The cause motivation and perpetration, are all inextricably linked gandi.

It's a total lie to say you reject the violence but you revere the cause of the violence.

If you support the cause and motivation, then it's a logical assumption that you support the engendered violence.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:20pm

bullshit was all the band could play

What a load of absolute lies and passive support for Christian terrorism, Moses.

The Christians who take the Bible at it's word and perpetrate terrorist acts as an act of obedience to their faith, are absolutely no worse that the verses in the Bible which motivate them.

The cause motivation and perpetration, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It's a total lie to say you reject the violence but you revere the cause of the violence.

If you support the cause and motivation, then it's a logical assumption that you support the engendered violence. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk, such lies you peddle. ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 5:14pm

moses wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 2:53pm:

It's a total lie to say you reject the violence

Its a simple statement of fact moses.

The vast majority of muslims reject violence. You can't simply reject this simple, undeniable fact using the bizarre logic that it mustn't be so because they disagree with your interpretation of the Quran. It makes no sense.

moses wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 2:53pm:

The muslims who take the qur'an at it's word and perpetrate terrorist acts as an act of obedience to their faith

...are a tiny minority of the entire muslim population - can you at least concede that?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 7:19pm

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

Gandi you yourself admit that some muslims take the qur'an at its word and become terrorists.

This means that the qur'an can and is being used to justify terrorism right now in the 21st century.

This then means that the qur'an is flawed.

What is this flaw?

The qur'an contains evil verses which cause and motivate islamist human rights atrocities.

There is only one answer to your trouble gandi.

That is to denounce these evil components of the qur'an as not being fit for a modern civilization.

You tell everybody lies about how the violent bits can be disregarded, glossed over etc.etc..

All you're doing is saying that you prefer, the status quo of, some muslims will use the present version of the qur'an to commit the most inhumane of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, rather than denouncing the many evil bits of the qur'an

Quote:

are a tiny minority of the entire muslim population - can you at least concede that?

1 or a 100, it doesn't matter gandi, because the favoured modus operandi of the muslim terrorist is to take out as many soft targets as possible, they deliberately target innocent men women and children who are in a situation, where the muslim terrorist will slaughter them in great numbers.

You will have to eventually take responsibility for the evil in the qur'an gandi, that's as sure as the sun comes up in the east, the longer you put it off, the worse the end result will be gandalf.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 8:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 1:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

Yes, but I think you'll find Moses wants them to renounce their religion.

One can't help thinking that its the schadenfreude of wallowing in a muslim's humiliation and indignity as they proclaim that they were wrong and he was right - that moses is most interested in.

That's certainly part of it, G. Moses predicts a time when the Muslims will say he's right. "And upon that day, Islam will cease to exist."

Then we can get to work on the tinted races.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 11:42pm

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 06, 2019
[any moslem who speaks to 'radicalise' believers [followers of ISLAM], in a way that will cause them to act to 'defend ISLAM' [i.e. be moved to kill an 'oppressor', a 'disbeliever'], is a virtuous person, and a good moslem. ISLAMIC law. Koran 4.74-76]

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Malaysia: Muslim leaders urge police action against people insulting Muhammad and Islam
By Robert Spencer on Mar 06, 2019
[in an ISLAMIC law jurisdiction, refusing an 'invitation' from a moslem, to convert to Allah's perfect religion, can attract the accusation, of insulting Mohammed and ISLAM. which is a capital crime, in almost all ISLAMIC law jurisdictions.]

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By Robert Spencer on Mar 06, 2019
[Allah hates 'disbelievers'.    and so do the followers of ISLAM.    even the ones who will tell you to your face, that its OK to be secular, or to be of another faith.    ask [the dead], Yazidis, Zoroastrians, Armenians, Christians, Jews.]

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Australia: Muslim who mowed down pedestrians says “I did it in the name of Allah”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 12, 2019 11:17 am
[a good moslem, is obedient to Allah]
"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Despite her acquittal, Pakistani authorities barring accused blasphemer Asia Bibi from leaving the country
By Robert Spencer on Feb 12, 2019
[because Asia Bibi is a blasphemer, who has rejected the 'invitation' to convert to Allah's perfect religion.
and every good moslem knows, that such a person [if they are within the power of Sharia jurisdiction] must die.
ISLAMIC law.]

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“Are you serious? What’s wrong with you?”: Ilhan Omar yells at reporter who asked about her anti-Semitic tweets
By Robert Spencer on Feb 13, 2019
["Are you serious? What’s wrong with you?"    Ilhan Omar is a moslem, so she is 'entitled' to hate Jews!! and, doesn't everyone hate Jews !!!    moslems are commanded by Allah to have hatred for Jews [they are among those who have rejected their own subjection, to Allah's perfect religion].]
The Koran depicts the Jews ['and Pagans'] as the people who have the strongest enmity toward the moslems. Koran 5:82

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Muslim U.S. Air Force Intelligence Specialist tried to pass classified American information to Iran
By Robert Spencer on Feb 13, 2019 01:16 pm
[Q. where does the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM lay ??? A. only with those persons whom he, considers to be his, 'brothers'.]
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker embraces Jew-hating Muslim cleric Yasir Fahmy
By Robert Spencer on Feb 13, 2019
[because, ISLAM is peace,    and because the ISLAMIC community in the U.S. need to be embraced and welcomed, as co-citizens. because then everything will be fine.]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 8:13am

moses wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 7:19pm:

This argument is making less and less sense to me. You are basically saying the existence of *ANY* extremist/terrorist element within a religion, no matter how tiny, is sufficient to dismiss the doctrine of that religion as 'flawed' which necessarily must be denounced and abandoned. Its a bit like saying the existence of *ANY* testosterone in society is justification enough to castrate every male - since you would assuredly eliminate all rape if all males were castrated.

But even stranger is you are not even consistent with this argument. Presented with the same dilemma in christianity, you simply retort that the extremists in Christianity are going against the teachings of Christ, and therefore the problem is not doctrinal.

moses wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 7:19pm:

You will have to eventually take responsibility for the evil in the qur'an gandi, that's as sure as the sun comes up in the east, the longer you put it off, the worse the end result will be gandalf.

no, the correct solution is for muslims to find ways to rationalise the 'difficult' parts of the Quran into something that is compatible with peaceful and tolerant coexistence - while at the same time not compromising their core belief that the Quran is infallible. Which it turns out is what the vast majority if muslims do, very successfully. Your only solution is for muslims to literally give up a fundamental part of what it means to be muslim (belief in the quran as the true word of God). And that is both unfair and completely impractical.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:15am

Gandalf would you say that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for you?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm

I don't translate it as "ordained", more like "permitted" - as in you are allowed to fight strictly in self defense.

Would you prefer I started believing that my religion ordains that I must go forth and kill as many non-muslims as I can?

Or would you agree its actually a good thing in the interests of the safety and wellbeing of society that there are muslims like me who make the peaceful, violence-strictly-only-in-self-defence case for Islam?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:01pm

Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

First off 64% of the qur'an is devoted to promoting hatred for and punishment of the kufir hypocrite and corrupters

Every single muslim islamist is 100% convinced that committing human rights atrocities against the non believers will automatically gain them admittance into your paradise, resplendent with aliens with big tits and little boys. (they can quote chapter and verse the evil parts of the qur'an which motivate them gandi).

It is not a tiny part gandi the majority of your book is at fault.

As for the Christian bit it is a fact that the teachings of Christ do not promote atrocities being committed in the name of Christ.

conversely

The teachings of muhammad cause and motivate islamic terrorists to commit unspeakable human rights atrocities against their fellow man.

Quote:

Oh so now you're going to *rationalize* something which is utterly evil?

Don't forget that while you're *rationalizing* the evil bits, men women and children are dying as the islamists follow the qur'an (which has not been *rationalized*) to the very letter.

Rationalizing is a load of codswallop gandi, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:27pm

moses wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

Every single muslim islamist is 100% convinced that committing human rights atrocities against the non believers will automatically gain them admittance into your paradise, resplendent with aliens with big tits and little boys. (they can quote chapter and verse the evil parts of the qur'an which motivate them gandi).

This is not saying anything at all useful moses, it really isn't.

Whatever the minority of Islamists are doing and how they justify their evil, there are many times more peace-loving muslims who can and do quote chapter and verse the parts of the Quran which motivate them. You still haven't explained why its the minority that "proves" what the Quran really is, and not the majority - apart from reverting back to your tired old "take my word for it - the Quran really is all that". Your argument simply flies in the face of logic. At the very very least you should have the good grace to acknowledge that the vast majority of muslims themselves reject your interpretation of the Quran.

You talk as if its only the Islamists who have a doctrinal case to make.

moses wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

Rationalizing is a load of codswallop gandi, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

Ah we must be getting to 'never ever' again. If all else fails...

Whats codswallop is the notion that only you and the tiny minority of Islamists are correct about Islamic doctrine, and the beliefs of the vast majority of muslims can and must be arrogantly dismissed.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:32pm

Basically there are two parts to moses' "logic":

1. the Islamists may be a minority, but they are definitely right
2. I personally know better than the vast majority of muslims what Islamic doctrine means.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:36pm

oh goody, now here comes Yadda for his two-bobs worth...

What are the odds of a long, rambling quote-infested flogging of a dead horse that concludes with the profound finding that muslim == follower of Islam?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:38pm

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

Gandalf would you say that as a Muslim, fighting is ordained for you?

FD,
Ask gandalf who are moslems 'allowed' to hate, and 'allowed' to fight, and 'allowed' to kill.

And was Allah wrong to issue commands, like those that are contained in Koran 9.123, and Koran 48.29 ?

.

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

That might be true, dear, but Moses has been given an F for his knowledge of Christian doctrine.

He thinks Jesus refusing to be tempted by Satan is a decree to hate the Muselman - a religious duty no less.

Mind you, Moses loses marks for refusing to elaborate, indicating he knows what a ridiculous assertion this is. This porkie is Moses' religious justification for his entire campaign of hate. And if Christians step in to say, no, that's not what our Teacher meant, they need to be hated too. After all, if you think Christianity is about loving thy neighbour as thyself, you're a filthy Muslim apologist.

But I'm curious. Should Moses get any marks for just making stuff up? Should he get marks for making religious texts out to mean the opposite of what they say? What mark would you give Moses for his various interpretations of the Holy Quran?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 3:13pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 2:47pm:

....Moses has been given an F for his knowledge of Christian doctrine.

He thinks Jesus refusing to be tempted by Satan is a decree to hate the Muselman - a religious duty no less.

Mind you, Moses loses marks for refusing to elaborate, indicating he knows what a ridiculous assertion this is.

This porkie is Moses' religious justification for his entire campaign of hate.

And if Christians step in to say, no, that's not what our Teacher meant, they need to be hated too.

After all, if you think Christianity is about loving thy neighbour as thyself, you're a filthy Muslim apologist.

K,

If moslems kill people, expressly because their victims don't believe what they [moslems] believe,
do other people [including Christians and Jews], have any right to judge ISLAM and to judge the actions of moslems ?

K,

Do you feel that it is wrong [unjust] to judge wrongdoers [e.g. 'wrongdoers' being murderers and people who incite and encourage the murder of others],
if the murderers are members of a minority group in society ?

K,

Does the N.T. show that Jesus [as a Jewish man] upheld Mosaic law, as it related to criminals ?

K,

Do you find the precepts which are being encouraged in these O.T. bible verses [below] to be objectionable or unjust in their nature ?

.

Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

Leviticus 19:15
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 3:38pm

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

You're side stepping the issue gandalf.

The issue is that certain muslims can and do cite the qur'an as their cause and motivation for human rights depravities being committed in the name of islam and allah, around the globe.

The problem is a world wide one, muslims are the number one listed global terrorist threat, because of the teachings in the qur'an.

You say *trying to make out the islamists are the only ones to have a case*.

I say to you they most certainly do have a case, they are the ones who are slaughtering innocent men women and children, because your book tells them to.

Are you now going to use the excuse that they should be ignored because of the ratio of muslims good / bad?

They are the ones who are standing out in the crowd, simply because your book causes and motivates them to commit depravities ,as an act of believing in the words of muhammad / allah.

The qur'an is flawed, why?

Because it can and is being used to justify islamic terrorism around the globe.

To stop the terrorism you have to denounce the parts of the qur'an which the terrorists cite as their justification.

Reinterpreting, glossing over, rationalizing, (name your next excuse here), will not work, the original will always be available and will be used by muslims in the future to commit atrocities against their fellow man.

After all that is exactly what the verses of the qur'an were produced for, it was muhammads way of putting a divine coat on his desire to spread islam across the land, as the superordinate supremacist not to be questioned doctrine.

In the 21st century the qur'an is a flawed fallible book.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 3:48pm

Quote:

K,

Do you feel that it is wrong [unjust] to judge wrongdoers [e.g. 'wrongdoers' being murderers and people who incite and encourage the murder of others]

This is not for Christians to say, Y. Our Teacher instructs us to judge not as we surely shall be judged. He tells us not to point out the spec in another's eye but to remove the beam in our own. Most importantly, He tells us to understand and be compassionate towards those who murder, torture and kill us as we are sinners ourselves.

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

This is the path our Teacher laid out for us. It is, as you'll agree, not for the faint-hearted. It's a path of steadfast faith, but as His disciple Paul said, even more important than faith is love.

As disciples ourselves, we don't justify hatred by saying we're only human but we're Christians and we're forgiven anyway. Our Teacher said that's wrong. Not all who go in His name, He said, shall enter the Kingdom. All are judged in the end, and there are many rooms in the Father's house.

Nor do we pretend it's okay to hate because our Teacher said we should not test God. For our Teacher, this represented a lack of faith - the very opposite of hating and encouraging others to hate. Our Teacher's message was this: we ascend through faith and love. This is how we remove our sin, how we cut it off at the source.

There are other paths, but this is the one Jesus the Christ taught. All paths have elements of these teachings, including the path taught by the teacher Mohammed.

You can follow our Teacher or not, no one can force you. But if not, it's best to acknowledge this. If you preach hate, I think it's best to leave our Teacher out of it.

You?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 3:59pm

moses wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 3:38pm:

Gandi wrote:

Quote:

Certain Muslims can and do cite the Quran to justify rape and slaughter, Moses. This is just porkies.

As our Teacher said, not all who go in His name shall enter the Kingdom. The teacher Muhammed said similar.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:17pm

Quote:

All paths have elements of these teachings, including the path taught by the teacher Mohammed.

Well according to muhammad:

Quote:

qur'an 24.33:And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.

Yeah muzzie boys if you do force them well allah is often forgiving

Quote:

qur'an 4.34: Men are the maintainers of women because allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely allah is high, great.

Yeah muzzie boys if she plays up just give her a touch up

Quote:

qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

well you know muzzie boys if she is a bit flamboyant just lock her up until she dies

Quote:

qur’an 24:1 “(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.”

O.K. muzzie boys get out the whip and give her the minimum of 100 lashes

Conversely

According to Christ.:
Quote:

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

For the life of me I just can't reconcile the two as being similar.

But then I'm just a ISLAMOPHOBE.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 5:08pm

Your first verse refers to slave girls being forgiven by Allah and holding no shame if they're raped. It's pretty clear, dear. The preceding sentence says not to rape your slave girls.

But I'm curious. Given your admonition to hate and ban the Muselman for the way he treats women, why are you quoting Jesus saying not to throw stones if you've sinned?

Did Yeheshua say we should hate and ban sinners instead?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm

moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:19pm

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and of course, what can be found in the Koran, cannot be considered to be hate speech!
coz everyone knows, that ISLAM teaches peace and tolerance, towards those who are not, the followers of ISLAM. ----- > ]
"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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[oh what!    really!    a devout moslem congresswoman, may have links to the Muslim Brotherhood!!!!
i just cannot believe it!!!!!!    shock, horror!]

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Father of unrepentant ISIS jihadi bride blames UK for letting her go to Syria without a passport
By Robert Spencer on Mar 07, 2019
[another moslem father, who was 'oppressed' by those infidels,    infidels who allowed his daughter to travel, to join ISIS in Syria.
and now, "oh i want my poor daughter back! the UK must ensure her safety!"]

WWW search....
YouTube removes video of    imam in Canada    preaching about gays to “stone these people to death”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019
“YouTube is protecting hate speech and incitement to violence against the gay community by removing a MEMRI TV clip”
[ISLAM is peace, and tolerance. honest. ]

WWW search....
US-funded Afghanistan gives $1,000,000 to Palestinians
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019
"From one jihad-supporting country to the next: a gift of a million dollars, courtesy of the infidels:"
[infidel TREASURE,    re-purposed, for the Jihad, against the infidel!    that is what this is! ]
Q. where does the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM lay ??? A. only with those persons whom he, considers to be his, 'brothers'.]
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

WWW search....
Bernie Sanders on Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar’s anti-Semitic tweets: “We will stand by our Muslim brothers and sisters”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
'Curse the Jews'
- Houthi flag, and the Yemeni nation - and all followers of ISLAM generally.

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram....
3 ....I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:....

WWW search....
Muslima from UK has no regrets about joining ISIS, but wants to return to raise her child on welfare benefits
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[of course this muslima must be welcomed back to the UK, the moslem is the virtuous person.    and what right has a filthy disbeliever, to judge a moslem! and it is the obligation of the dhimmi in the UK, to pay the Jizya ['sit-down-money'] to the moslems.
disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - google it]

WWW search....
[not in the West]
Malaysia: Muslim who tried to bomb church says “I have no regrets for what happened”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[Allah be praised! a moslem who knows his religion!]
"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

WWW search....
[not in the West]
Dr. Ali Al-Siba’i: Why Do the Descendants of Apes and Pigs Rule Over Us?
By Hugh Fitzgerald on Feb 14, 2019
[Allah be praised!    another moslem who knows his religion!]
".....on the Turkey-based MB-affiliated Channel 9 TV, Libyan researcher Dr. Ali Al-Siba’i said that the Jihad that terrifies the world today was sanctioned by shari’a law in order to establish justice, and that humanity was relieved of oppression, exploitation...."
"and that humanity was relieved of oppression" ...see Koran 4.74-76

WWW search....
Ohio: Muslim charged with plotting jihad massacre in Cleveland wanted to behead Trump’s children
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[more righteous Jihad, against Allah's enemies. this one is sure to get entry, into Allah's paradise.]

WWW search....
[not in the West]
Islamic scholar invokes Qur’an to justify killing Jews: “Kill the polytheists wherever you may find them”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[the Jewish people rejected Mohammed's 'invitation' to become moslems. never-ending warfare against 'the Descendants of Apes and Pigs'.    < ---- NOT, NOT, NOT HATE SPEECH !!!!!,
simply ISLAMIC religious doctrine. A Pass.]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

Hatred for all infidels.

It is a hatred justified, and authorised by both Allah and Mohammed.

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;

"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

.

And no moslem, can have a disbeliever as a friend [except, as a friendship as a deception, against Allah's sworn enemy].

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

And upon that day, Islam will cease to exist.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

I don't understand FD, why on earth would anyone think that renouncing violence is "polishing a turd"?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:44pm

"polishing a turd"?

FD said it well enough, when speaking to the reason for the apparent 'timidity' of many moslems....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391854581/281#281

Quote:

You are mistaking impotence for benign intent. The Muslims are in no hurry to correct you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368872008/51#51

Quote:

Chimp you are confusing impotence with benevolence. Abu was fond of this trick. Correlation does not equal causation.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344119653/61#61

Quote:

They want to impose it on everyone. They just recognise their own impotence. Even Abu is telling you this spot. You should learn to tell the difference. Imagine a Nazi telling you he is not capable of slaughtering Jews because Australian law stops him - would you turn around and tell everyone he does not want to slaughter Jews? For someone who claims to oppose this BS you are incredibly blind to it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344119653/78#78

Quote:

How can you tell the difference? Even when Abu says he believes in the death penalty for apostasy and destroying freedom and democracy yuou refuse to believe it. All he has to do is point out his impotence to achieve his goals and you take this to mean they are not his goals. I have never seen anyone so easy to fool.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1339842765/287#287

Quote:

Do you believe that Abu wants Islamic law for Australia? Can you point to anywhere that he has actually said he does not want it, rather than where he has merely refused to give a straight answer? Can you tell the difference between Abu acknowledging his own impotence to achieve what he wants and not wanting it? Can you explain why he would answer by talking about his inability to achieve Islamic law in Australia if it was not what he wanted?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344204563/155#155

Quote:

Not really. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge the reality. I have not been quoting the Koran at Abu as you claim and telling him what he believes. I have been asking him. As far as I can tell it still has not sunk in with you that Abu opposes freedom and democracy and wants the death penalty for all sorts of thought crimes. I can provide links and quotes on any that you are interested in. It will help you to face reality, one little step at a time. You can move past your little delusion that impotence is the same thing as benign intent.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344204563/168#168

Quote:

Are you honestly incapable of telling the difference between impotence and benign intent? Why is it good enough to for you to openly lie about what Abu wants by pretending it is the same as what he can achieve?

All of these "ISLAM is a peaceful faith." crowd, are as thick as two short planks.

Either that, or this crowd are really moslems, here on OzPol, who are masquerading as non-moslems.

I would say the latter.

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

Moslems lying to, and deceiving 'disbelievers', is still recognised as an aspect of Jihad [religious fighting against 'disbelievers'].

.

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 12:41pm

Quote:

Your first verse refers to slave girls being forgiven by Allah and holding no shame if they're raped. It's pretty clear, dear. The preceding sentence says not to rape your slave girls.

Rationalized to now mean allah is forgiving a girl for doing nothing wrong.

Like I said a load of codswallop

Quote:

But I'm curious. Given your admonition to hate and ban the Muselman for the way he treats women, why are you quoting Jesus saying not to throw stones if you've sinned?

Oh dearie dearie dearie me, you're always so afraid to speak the truth.

I consistently call for the evil verses in the qur'an to be denounced for what they are .

Quote:

Did Yeheshua say we should hate and ban sinners instead?

He taught many a sound piece of advice, including people must not tempt God with stupid actions, you know like openly embracing a satanic death cult etc. etc..

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:18pm

Can you show where Yeheshua taught us to hate and ban such people, Moses?

If you can't do this, your entire argument is destroyed.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:25pm

gandi wrote:

Quote:

moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop muslims taking the qur'an at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that allah loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in paradise.

Why do you think muhammad/allah created two classes of muslim, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

64% of the qur'an was muhammads way of bolstering violent support for his campaign to spread islam across the land.

Quote:

Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

The usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked gandi.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Moses just renounces the bits he doesn't like.

You know, like the New Testament.

...And upon that day, Christianity will cease to exist.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Frank on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

The idea of universal human rights was introduced into the world by Christianity. No other creed or religion could have produced the notion, you silly, two-bit screamer. No other creed and religion accommodates it except Christianity and secularism derived from... er... Christianity.

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:17pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Nay, dear boy, it was introduced by the Enlightenment, as every schoolboy knows.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 6:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

I don't understand FD, why on earth would anyone think that renouncing violence is "polishing a turd"?

You polish, so that others may eat.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

;D ;D ;D :D :D :D

The idea of universal human rights was introduced into the world by Christianity. No other creed or religion could have produced the notion, ~~you silly, two-bit screamer.~~ No other creed and religion accommodates it except Christianity and secularism derived from... er... Christianity.

And yet there are many Muslim nations which have signed up to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Soren. Now, I wonder why they would bother to do that? Or are they just doing it, like the supposed Christian/Secular Western Nations that ignore the human rights of their citizens, Mmmmm?

Quote:

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I wonder how the Lutheran clergy treated you, down in the Presbytery? Like George Pell treated those two altar boys, perhaps, Soren? ::) ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 9:11pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 6:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

I don't understand FD, why on earth would anyone think that renouncing violence is "polishing a turd"?

You polish, so that others may eat.

Miam miam.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 9:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I wonder how the Lutheran clergy treated you, down in the Presbytery? Like George Pell treated those two altar boys, perhaps, Soren? ::) ::)

Alt jungend! Alt jungend! Vo bist ein wiener, alt jungend?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 9:48pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 9:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I wonder how the Lutheran clergy treated you, down in the Presbytery? Like George Pell treated those two altar boys, perhaps, Soren? ::) ::)

Alt jungend! Alt jungend! Vo bist ein wiener, alt jungend?

Åh, kære, han ser ud til at være lidt af en weiner, ikke? ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 10:22pm

Ikkie ikkie.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Frank on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 10:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Taqiyya. You fall for taqiyya, bwian. You are stupid.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 10:51pm

WWW search....
Sweden: Still More Migration
by Judith Bergman
March 9, 2019
Sweden's reintroduction of the right to family reunion for people granted asylum in Sweden without refugee status, entitles so-called "unaccompanied children" to bring their parents to Sweden.
[silly people. silly, naive LEFTISTS.
the more non-moslems 'submit' to the demands of 'accommodation' by local moslems, the more demands the local moslems will make.]

WWW search....
Australia: Muslim lawfare victimhood activist found guilty of assaulting pro-Israel activist
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 08, 2019
[one small win.]

WWW search....
[not in the West]
Pakistan: 13-year-old Christian girl abducted, forcibly converted to Islam, forced to marry captor
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 08, 2019
[these abductions in Pakistan, are so, so common. and are always abetted by [moslem] Pakistani police.
this practice is outrageous, and yet no human rights NGO's or governments in the West are willing to condemn this practice.
p.s.    and, this practice is completely lawful, in ISLAMIC law.]

WWW search....
Dutch Islamic scholar: “No Western country has successfully integrated Muslims”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 08, 2019
[i can't imagine why.]
"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Austria: Non-Muslim girls forced to wear hijabs to avoid harassment from Muslim migrants
By Robert Spencer on Feb 15, 2019
[i.e. when i am in a moslem country, i must respect the laws and the cultural sensibilities of moslems.
and when i am in my own country, i must respect the laws and the cultural sensibilities of moslems.

local moslems often reveal, that they despise and hate our non-ISLAM society and our 'permissive' culture.
and, it is we [non-moslems] who must learn to respect moslem culture, while moslems who come to Australia to live, must be permitted to openly thumb their noses at Australian laws and cultural norms.
and whenever moslems physically attack us, we are told that it was only because someone 'deserved it', because they were 'insensitive' to the dignity of their religion.

and that, is the stance of the 'progressive' LEFTISTS in Australia, who want to invite more, and more, followers of ISLAM to Australia [moslem 'asylum seekers'], to come to live among us.
and, the ISLAMISATION of Europe [and other host nations] proceeds apace, being abetted, by 'progressive' LEFTISTS in those nations. ]

WWW search....
Hollywood rallies around Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar despite her anti-Semitic tweets
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 15, 2019
[it is Politically Correct for all, to support the moslem community.    coz, almost every day, moslems [present themselves] as always being 'victimised'.
and the Hollywood 'hotties' love every opportunity, to be able to 'virtue signal' their support for moslems, who are the targets of 'hatred'.]

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Tony Blair admits to ‘nascent alliance’ between Islam and political Leftists
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 15, 2019
[the ex-PM of the UK who, while in office, was often heard to praise ISLAM, as being a peaceful religion.
and who also claimed that he often read the Koran, and kept a copy of it, by his bedside.]

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Turkish computer game incites Jerusalem Muslims to wage jihad and “liberate” Temple Mount
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 15, 2019
[this is total B.S.    everyone knows that Turkey today, under Erdogan, is a moslem bastion of those who oppose 'terrorism'.]

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BBC blames Salman Rushdie for Muslims who turned to jihad in rage over his “blasphemous” book
By Robert Spencer on Feb 15, 2019
[because jihadi violence can only every be caused, by those who have incited moslems to violence!!
and jihadi violence has absolutely nothing to do with ISLAMIC religious culture and its influence.
ISLAM is peace.    /sarc off]
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

WWW search....
Actor who falsely claimed attack by Trump supporters says he’d have been believed “if I had said it was a Muslim”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 15, 2019 08:00 am
[Jussie Smollett would have been believed if he had accused a moslem.    but instead he said his attackers were, racist, MAGA hat wearing thugs [i.e. Trump supporters].
but Jussie Smollett would NEVER have accused a moslem of attacking him, coz Jussie Smollett is a LEFTIST 'lovey' who knows that ISLAM is peace.
the 'take away'....the world is just so unfair, to LEFTIST 'virtue signallers', who are willing to lie through their teeth, to promote their own 'virtuous' 'victimhood'.
can't you see, that just like moslems, Jussie Smollett is being persecuted and oppressed - by 'white' people!]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 7:13am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

........there are many Muslim nations which have signed up to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Soren.

Now, I wonder why they would bother to do that?

Could it be because many moslem nations are known to be paragons of virtue ?

WWW search....
Again: Saudi Arabia Elected Chair of UN Human Rights Council

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Now, I wonder why they would bother to do that?

Have you heard the phrase, 'Putting the FOX in charge of the hen house.' ???

What about the phrase, 'Virtue Signalling' ?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 7:34am

Yadda wrote on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 7:13am:

Have you heard the phrase, 'Putting the FOX in charge of the hen house.' ???

WWW search....
'Putting the FOX in charge of the hen house.' "islamist"

WWW search....
'Putting the FOX in charge of the hen house.' "sharia"

WWW search....
Is the most dangerous politician in Canada a Somali Muslim Migrant

WWW search....
Muslim Brotherhood Front Group To Teach Police 'Islam 101'

WWW search....
Allowing Islamic clergy into the jail without proper vetting is akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 1:13pm

WWW search....
Aynaz Anni Cyrus Video: Why Are Muslims Raping Non-Muslim Women in Europe?
By Robert Spencer on Feb 15, 2019 07:59 am
"Ex-Muslim Aynaz Anni Cyrus explains a phenomenon that the political and media elites prefer to obfuscate and ignore."

[why ? because moslems can - is as bluntly as i can put it.
and no mainstream politicians and media elites in Europe are willing to risk being labelled 'racists', by moslems and by their LEFTIST apologists in Europe.
the TRUTH - if non-moslems continually 'submit' to the intimidation and threats of ISLAMISTS, the ISLAMISTS will simply 'supply' more intimidation and threats, much more! ]

WWW search....
Bernie Sanders Stands with Muslims, But Do They Stand with Him?
By Robert Spencer on Feb 16, 2019 03:00 pm

[Q. knowing what many of us have come to know about ISLAM [deceitful 'approachment', vicious, an agenda dedicated to absolute ISLAMIC supremacism, hostile to every 'influence' which is non-ISLAM],
why is it that political LEFTISTS, around the world, are always supportive, of moslem agendas, and are always the wanna-be-apologists for moslem wrongdoers ?
virtue signalling.]
also, WWW search....
Bernie Sanders on Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar’s anti-Semitic tweets: “We will stand by our Muslim brothers and sisters”

WWW search....
Germany: Elderly man who facilitated Muslim migrant influx gets kicked out of his own flat to accommodate migrants
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 16, 2019

[aged German LEFTIST, who welcomed moslem migrant influx, must relocate to much smaller flat to 'accommodate' moslem migrants who have a greater need.
"And let the Devil take the hindmost."]
Leviticus 19:32
Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the LORD.
...but not in LEFTIST Germany today.

WWW search....
Islamic State bride from Canada asks not to be “judged too harshly,” calls herself “humanitarian”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 16, 2019

[....and ISLAM is peace.
and moslems lying to, and deceiving 'disbelievers', is still recognised among the believers, as an acceptable form of Jihad [religious fighting against 'disbelievers'], in order to excuse, and/or to advantage the moslems. ]
" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

WWW search....
Australia: Muslim woman convicted of arranging to have her daughters’ genitals mutilated in Somalia
By Robert Spencer on Feb 16, 2019

[local moslems by their actions [over time], will often reveal, that they have little, or no respect, for Australian laws and Australian cultural norms.
in every mosque in Australia, the imam will teach that ISLAMIC law is superior to 'man made' laws [i.e. local laws].
[even though, moslems may publicly deny that, that is taught, here in Australia.
this is what many imams teach to their congregants ---- > ]

WWW search....
muslim must obey the law of the land - as long as local law does not violate Allah's law
muslim must obey the law of the land - except where local law is in conflict with Allah's law
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491782088/4#4

WWW search....
Nigeria: Elections postponed after Islamic State murders 42 in attack on governor’s election convoy
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Feb 16, 2019

[in the MSM here, it was reported that the Nigeria elections were postponed because in some outlaying areas, they didn't have the appropriate voting equipment.

moslems assert - no one has the right to make laws except Allah. and, ISLAMIC law should be the law of every land.
period. ]

WWW search....
Nigeria elections were postponed because "2019"

"Well, the electoral commissioner says it was because of logistical problems. Voting materials have apparently not been delivered to all the remote parts of Nigeria."

WWW search....
World’s largest Islamic charity, Islamic Relief, implicated in Tunisian terror probe
By Robert Spencer on Feb 16, 2019

[it is so often the case, that cash donations to charities controlled by followers of ISLAM,
will be blatantly redirected and 're-purposed', to fund militant groups, ISLAMIC militant groups.
this re-purposing of donations, by these supposed 'worthy' charities goes on, everywhere in the world.
and this certainly goes on, everywhere where charities are controlled and run by the followers of ISLAM.
ostensibly these charities will always appear to be dedicated to providing relief to desperate persons.

when trust is cynically betrayed, we all lose.

how to cut through this deceit ? are you a forensic accountant ? and would 'your' charity be willing to give you, an outsider, full access to all of their accounts ?
it all gets too difficult and complex! ]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 7:44pm

WWW search....
Denmark: 14 people face prosecution and up to 3 years prison for sharing video of Muslims beheading hiker
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019

[the term 'people' in this case = = followers of ISLAM.
these moslems, resident in Denmark, were sharing videos, of the beheading of two young European women backpacking in Morocco.
respect, for women bro.    WWW search.... "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" ]

WWW search....
[not in the West]
Malaysia: Man gets 10 years prison for insulting Islam on Facebook
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019

also....
WWW search....
[not in the West]
Malaysian government sets up special unit to monitor online activity for any form of insult against Islam
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019

[because ISLAM is not to be insulted. ...nor scrutinised, nor criticised.]

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

WWW search....
UK: Oxford University suspends Muslim student for recruiting for pro-Sharia, pro-caliphate group
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019

[Allah be praised! a moslem who knows his religion!]

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari #004.052.080

WWW search....
Germany: Woman marries Muslim migrant, converts to Islam, helps him plot jihad massacre
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019
"Yet another convert to Islam gets the idea that her new religion commands her to commit treason and mass murder.
Authorities remain resolutely incurious about this recurring phenomenon."

[because ISLAM is peace. ]

WWW search....
Minnesota: Ex-Muslim arrested after speaking with Muslims says “this should not be happening in this country”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 09, 2019

[when the local moslem community becomes numerous enough, and confident enough, those moslems will try to have ISLAMIC law enforced - even in the U.S.A.    telling infidel law enforcement, that, 'Hey! This guy is offending our religion! We want him prosecuted for this.'
call it cultural intimidation, or lawfare for Allah.]

WWW search....
Shameful: Germany Refuses To Designate Hezbollah A Terrorist Group
By Josh Hammer

[that is their business.    but foolish/care-less.
but in 2019, Germany now has a large moslem community whose 'sensibilities' much be considered and 'accommodated', before making any 'rash' government based judgements, about 'ISLAMIC support groups'. ]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 10^th, 2019 at 10:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 10:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

Taqiyya. You fall for taqiyya, bwian. You are stupid.

You know, I've never had a Muslim lie to me, Soren. Perhaps they just do it to you? Mmmm? ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 10:56am

moses wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

The usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

That sounds to me like you are ascribing sinister intentions of any muslim who promotes a peaceful interpretation of the Quran moses. Is this the case? If this debate really can't go beyond your stubborn refusal to accept sincere interpretations of the Quran that differ from your own, and an overarching fundamental suspicion of the motives of decent, law-abiding muslims, then I'm afraid there is nothing left to be said on this.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 1:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 10:56am:

moses wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

The usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

Your sincerity would be a bit easier to accept if you did not save your "peaceful interpretations" exclusively for non-Muslims. Even if we accept your sincerity, by itself it is not enough. It is the sincerity of the useful idiot western convert who refuses to see what he has signed up for, and whose efforts only serve to misrepresent Islam to those who might actually provide a real challenge to the Islamofascists.

You polish, so that others may eat.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:01pm

Quote:

moses wrote:[quote]The usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

Gandalf wrote:
Quote:

[/quote]

Gandalf your * peaceful interpretation of the Quran* is an excuse to hide from the fact that some muslims have a violent interpretation of the qur'an.

The muslims who takes this violent interpretation are the problem I keep talking to you about gandi.

You have used words like gloss over, disregard, rationalize etc. then you also use the word infallible.

Herein lies the problem, how can something be infallible if parts of it need to be glossed over, disregarded or rationalized, in order not be seen as a book for islamic terrorism?

Gandalf I see your excuses as dishonest at the best and sinister intentions in the worst case scenario.

You are not addressing the issue that the qur'an can and is being used, to promote islamic atrocities against the non believer.

Shallow words like rationalize etc. are in fact supporting the fundamentalist muslim, in his / her pursuit of violent jihad against the non believers.

muhammad hated those of you who had peaceful intentions, he downgraded you to second place in islam.

It's ironic that the qur'an taken in a literal sense is a motivation for islamic atrocities against mankind, the muslims who muhammad hated are the ones who are desperately trying to put an inverse facade on these teachings, all the while afraid to say that the teachings of a man who hated them were wrong.

muhammad never preached using symbols, parables, numbers etc., he told you it's taught in a simple way and easy to understand, yet you turn yourselves inside out trying to make out there is some deep hidden spiritual meaning.

islamic terrorism is ideological terrorism gandalf, there is only one way to overcome it (if you want to) and that is to denounce the many and varied evil verses in the ideology.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm

moses, do you not see the logical inconsistency of citing what a minority of muslims believe and do as the embodiment proof of what the Quran says?

Don't you think it makes more sense to base it on what the majority believe and do?

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

To be honest, this doesn't make much sense to me, but it sounds like you are accusing me of irresponsibly "signing up" to Islam without knowing what it is about - and this act somehow undermines reformists within Islam. I'm not very clear on the process here. Please can you elaborate on this with more specific details? Thanks.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:43pm

gandi wrote:
Quote:

moses, do you not see the logical inconsistency of citing what a minority of muslims believe and do as the embodiment proof of what the Quran says?

Don't you think it makes more sense to base it on what the majority believe and do?

But it is proof gandalf.

Of course you cite them and the verses they quote as their justification.

They are a huge worldwide problem, they take the qur'an literally and innocents endure unimaginable pain and suffering because the qur'an ordained it.

You then say oh we are going to *rationalize* the cause.

This will never work gandalf, as there will always be those who don't *rationalize*, which in turn means that the bloodshed is never ending.

I reiterate;

muhammad never preached using symbols, parables, numbers etc., he told you it's taught in a simple way and easy to understand, yet you turn yourselves inside out trying to make out there is some deep hidden spiritual meaning.

islamic terrorism is ideological terrorism gandalf, there is only one way to overcome it (if you want to) and that is to denounce the many and varied evil verses in the ideology.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 6:33pm

moses wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:43pm:

But it is proof gandalf.

But how?

Try and answer this by specifcally explaining your logic that the beliefs and behaviour of a minority is somehow a better representation of a religion than the beliefs and behaviour of the vast majority.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

You are not reforming Islam. You are reforming the public perception of Islam among non-Muslims. You are not merely failing to achieve the positive change you claim to champion, you are hindering it and excusing the very people who would jail you for your opinion.

You polish, so that others may eat.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 11:08pm

WWW search....
"Is It Really Human Beings Doing This?"
Persecution of Christians, January 2019
by Raymond Ibrahim
March 10, 2019
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13851/christians-persecution-january

[see the article.
in 2017, the UK offered asylum to    eleven    Christian Syrian refugees.
Q. how many Yazidi refugees did the UK offer asylum to in 2017 ?
and how many moslem Syrian refugees ? see the article.
Q. who in the UK government/Home Office has the influence and authority to be approving acceptance to the UK, of what are, predominantly, large numbers of moslems refugees ?]

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search
"And those with him [Mohammed] are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

WWW search....
Ohio: Muslim who tried to join ISIS asks for leniency: “I was confused but my intent was to be part of the solution”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[ISLAM is the solution. because ISLAM is peace. ]

'ISLAM is the answer'
IMAGE....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ArDjN9ECEAAm36A.jpg

WWW search....
Italy: Muslim migrants stabs two passersby in train station, cops say it’s not terror-related
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

['cops say it’s not terror-related' ....in all Western nations, the cops invariably do say that.
because today, all serving police are trained to be 'sensitive', and politically 'progressive' in their public manner,
and it is not 'progressive', [to confront the truth, and] to admit that all moslems are moslems [followers of ISLAM].
coz, such a conclusion would be 'counter-productive'.]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

WWW search....
Philadelphia mosque where imam preached Jew-hatred says they’re “shocked and outraged” that he did
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

["We are shocked and outraged..." i tell youse, that one of our guest speakers    got caught    making reprehensible anti-Jewish remarks!
coz everyone knows that ISLAM teaches to only extend peace and tolerance, towards those who are not moslems. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
Accused blasphemer Asia Bibi still trapped in Pakistan, denied medical care
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

['by hook or by crook' we will kill this infidel blasphemer.]

WWW search....
Islamic State Muslima grabs uncovered hair of female reporter: “Have you not read the Qur’an, are you not ashamed?”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[Q. why do the enthusiastic followers of ISIS believe       that forcing infidels to obey ISLAMIC law "....has everything to do with Islam, and [why do followers of ISIS] constantly cite Islamic texts to support its....policies and positions." ??? ]

WWW search....
Philadelphia: Muslim cleric says “the Jews are the vilest people”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[Q. why does he say such a thing ? could it be, because all 'disbelievers' are so decribed, in the Koran,
and therefore, Jews 'qualify' too ? ]

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - google it
Koran 98.6

disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - google it
Koran 8.55

WWW search....
ISIS jihadi vows “new conquests in the future. We will seek vengeance, there will be blood up to your knees.”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[but, but, ISIS is finished now, isn't it ???
too naive !!
hey dreamer, wake up!    every moslem is a moslem [a followers of ISLAM].
and ISLAM's imperative, is that its followers should all take part in the never-ending [sometimes hot, and sometimes cool] war upon all mankind, until ISLAMIC law has been imposed everywhere [so as to assure an age of secure peace for all of mankind].
'Let us do evil, that good may come.' ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

Koran 2.98, Koran 47.08-11, Koran 4.74-76

WWW search....
Germany: Muslim screams “Allahu akbar” at funeral service for woman murdered by Muslim migrant
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019
"Many people at the church, hearing these screams of “Allahu akbar,” fled."

[coz, ISLAM is peace.]

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Apostle said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:18am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Divine. I'll have what she's having.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:40am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

You are not reforming Islam. You are reforming the public perception of Islam among non-Muslims.

The two are not mutually exclusive FD. Of course I am attempting to "reform the public perception of Islam among non-Muslims" on this forum - as I'm the only muslim here, attempting to defend Islam against an almost exclusive membership of hostile non-muslims. What else would you expect me to do here?

When I engage in "reforming Islam", I certainly wouldn't do it here. And if I did I would be rightly told to "go tell it to your co-religionists".

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

gandalf,

Are the 'majority' of moslems, followers of ISLAM ?

gandalf,

Are you a moslem ?

Are you, a follower of ISLAM ?

As a follower of ISLAM what facts and historic testimonies define your religion ?

Do you know who Mohammed, Allah's messenger, is ?

And what did he teach ?

Did Mohammed go on raiding 'partys', and kill men, and take their women, and have sex with them ?

Did Mohammed kill men and women, because they criticised him, publicly ?

gandalf,

Who is Allah ?

And what defines his character ?

Does Allah encourage his followers to fight those who reject his religion ?

gandalf,

What is the Koran ?

Have you every heard its name ?

Does the Koran contain the inerrant and immutable words of Allah ?

What does Allah command his followers to do, again, and again, and again, in the Koran ?

.

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:40am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:13pm:

You are not reforming Islam. You are reforming the public perception of Islam among non-Muslims.

Reforming the image of Islam among non-Muslims does nothing at all to actually reform Islam. You avoiding arguing with the other Muslims while they were still on this forum. I am only aware, by third hand accounts, of you trying to debate with Muslims on that Aussie-Muslims forum, and they swiftly banned you. Yet you somehow manage to defend the jailing of Ahok on blasphemy charges as if it has no significant impact on freedom of speech.

What we see is you doing exclusively one, not the other. And this is not unique to you. If Muslims spent half as much time actually trying to fix the problems with Islam rather than trying to convince non-Muslims there is nothing to see here, we would not be having this debate.

Instead, all we see is the taqiyya merchants on the pulpit, and the apparently sincere but naive western converts who signed up to an idea of Islam that has barely any connection to the reality.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:15pm

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Reforming the image of Islam among non-Muslims does nothing at all to actually reform Islam. You avoiding arguing with the other Muslims while they were still on this forum.

Firstly, I have no intention of "reforming Islam" on this forum. Why would I? The very idea of doing so on a forum where I am the only muslim makes absolutely no sense. What I try to do here is pick up on the mistruths and flawed logic written about Islam and muslims, and present an alternative view. Secondly, Abu was the only muslim on this forum when I joined, and he was gone within about a month. Yet even within that time I pulled him up on several BS claims and arguments. To say I "avoided" talking to the one muslim who was here for all of a few weeks of me joining - is simply wrong. If anything I targeted him - as I targeted him on another forum he retreated to for a while afterwards.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Yet you somehow manage to defend the jailing of Ahok on blasphemy charges

Completely false.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

What we see is you doing exclusively one, not the other. And this is not unique to you. If Muslims spent half as much time actually trying to fix the problems with Islam rather than trying to convince non-Muslims there is nothing to see here, we would not be having this debate.

Of course I only do "exclusively one" here FD - for the reasons I've already explained. And with respect, you don't have the first clue what I do or don't do when I am in the company of muslims. But while ever I'm here and being confronted by blatant mistruths and unfair smearing of muslims, I will refute it. And if ever there is another muslim who joins us and starts spouting crap in defence of Islam, I won't hesitate to refute them as well.'

Your exposure to what gandalf the muslim does or doesn't do in talking about Islam is restricted to a single forum where he is relentlessly bombarded by attacks against muslims and Islam. And I conduct myself accordingly, as civily and politely as I can. This is but a tiny window of the whole gandalf story, the vast majority of which you have no idea about :)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:10pm

gandalf wrote Reply 76 yesterday at 6.33pm

Quote:

moses wrote[quote]But it is proof gandalf.

gandalf wrote
Quote:

[/quote]

Because gandi, the argument has been, the qur'an needs glossing over ignoring or rationalizing and reinterpreting, in order for islam to catch up to Judaism and Christianity in the world peace stakes.

The minority you speak of, who follow the qur'an literally, are the ones who have the entire globes attention right now.

Their obedience to the literal word of the qur'an has / is causing untold amounts of grief bloodshed and death, around the world right now today 2019.

They have the attention of every nation on this earth because, as they tell us, they are following their sacred destiny of jihad against the unbeliever the apostate and hypocrites.

Gandi the qur'an has a majority theme of muslim supremacy and oppression of the unbelievers.

islam divides the world into two realms:

1/.dar al-Islam the house or region of submission, those lands under muslim rule.

2/.dar al-Harb the house or region of war, those lands where muslims are in the minority.

For muslims peace will only be achieved when the whole world is dar al-Islam. Until that time there will be conflict in dar al-Harb.

The qur'an totally supports this surmise, with the jihadists who are devoted to turning the globe into dar al-Islam can 100% cite the very teachings which praise cause and motivate their global jihadist terrorism.

For you to tell us that you're going to reinterpret rationalize disregard glossover (name your preferred excuse here) the qur'an to stop the jihadists, is to admit that the book is flawed and needs tampering with.

So we have the jihadists who accept the qur'an in its present form and are the global terrorists today.

Or the *moderates* who won't denounce the evil which actuates islamic terrorism, instead saying they are going to reinterpret rationalize disregard glossover (name your preferred excuse here) the qur'an.

You will never stop islamic terrorism by falsely saying oh it all means something else, we'll just ignore those bad bits.

Because gandalf, there will always be muslims who are not prepared to use a manufactured excuse. They will follow the literal qur'an to the very letter.

Which means that islamic terrorism will perpetuate.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:12pm

Quote:

What I try to do here is pick up on the mistruths and flawed logic written about Islam and muslims, and present an alternative view.

You don't merely present an alternative view, G, you present the correct view. I don't know how many times you've picked up Moses' ludicrous misinterpretations or FD's porkies. It is essential in a debate to point out the facts to start from.

The belief that Islam decrees suicide bombing and taking out non-Muslims is completely misguided. You show how these beliefs are incompatible with the Quran. Muslims are forbidden from killing people outside the field of battle and a formal declaration of war. Suicide and the killing of innocents is classed as murder. Muslims must obey the local law of whatever place they find themselves in. Forced conversion to Islam is against Islamic teachings, and on and on and on.

From what I can see, your reading of the Quran is simply the accepted Muslim view. Every Muslim I've ever discussed these things with has said the same. I'm not sure about Abu, but even he would say that tough times deserve tough measures, acknowledging that his views go beyond Islamic teachings.

You're not practicing Taqiyya, which apart from granting permission to flatter, was only ever a way for Muslims to deny they were Muslim under torture or threat of death. It is completely against Islam to lie about the teachings.

Nor are there two versions of Islam as FD pretends - a liberal version for the Western converts and a backward tribal one for the tinted races.

When David Hicks converted and indicated he wanted to go and fight to defend Muslims, no Muslims supported it. He was repeatedly talked out of this by his imam, his Muslim community in Australia, and the travelling prayer group he joined in Pakistan. As he said, it was impossible to become a Jihadist through the conservative mainstream community.

So much for the highest grade of Muslim being those who slay and be slain. And contrary to the usual hissies here about why Muslim leaders sit silent every time some terrorist attack happens, leaders in Australia are constantly condemning such attacks as unIslamic, both to the media and in their mosques. And God forbid they ever say they get weary condemning ISIS for the hundredth time. If they do, there's the next Daily Mail headline: Muslim leader refuses to condemn Islamic terrorism.

As far as I can see, G, your reading of Islam is mainstream Islamic teaching. Do you find this in the Muslim community you belong to, or do you find yourself correcting extremist views along with the imams?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:01pm

Quote:

Because gandi, the argument has been, the qur'an needs glossing over ignoring or rationalizing and reinterpreting, in order for islam to catch up to Judaism and Christianity in the world peace stakes.

The non-peaceful parts of the Bible have not been corrected or "renounced", dear. The Torah and the Bible are seen by Judaism and Christianity as the unerring, unalterable word of God.

Indeed, it was so unalterable that the Old Testament was handed down through the generations by word of mouth. Not a word was changed.

Christians don't have to renounce St Paul's views to allow female ministers or accept gays into their congregations. Jews don't have to renounce Leviticus to justify not stoning adulterers to death. Indeed, many religious Jews don't even circumcise their sons (or any servants they may have). They certainly don't all sacrifice lambs at Passover.

It is quite possible to be a modern subject and have an ancient religion without "renouncing" anything. Jews sometimes conduct a symbolic bris for their sons without the circumcision. They hold to the belief that it's the thought that counts. Jews will even put "symbolic" blood on their doorsteps for Passover - quite an evolution for a religion based on a blood covenant.

The Quran, of course, outlines no such specific laws or rituals. The 5 pillars is it. Even circumcision is just a recommendation.

So I'm curious. Why should only Muslims have to renounce their book? Why not Jews and Christians?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Yet you somehow manage to defend the jailing of Ahok on blasphemy charges

Completely false.

You defended it by downplaying it's significance for freedom of speech and the "free market of ideas" you claim exists in Muslim countries, and misrepresenting every criticism that was made of it. You somehow replaced my argument with "every single person in Indonesia will self censor as a result".

Quote:

Of course I only do "exclusively one" here FD - for the reasons I've already explained. And with respect, you don't have the first clue what I do or don't do when I am in the company of muslims

I can only tell you what I see from you and other Muslims Gandalf - a "reform agenda" that could be either deliberate taqiyya merchants or sincere but naive converts who somehow managed to see something good in Islam but are too polite or scared to confront other Muslims with it - either way, the outcome is the same. Great effort to present a face of Islam to non-Muslims that is completely at odds with the reality, and an absence of genuine reform in Islam.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:37pm

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

You defended it by downplaying it's significance for freedom of speech and the "free market of ideas" you claim exists in Muslim countries

Even if that was an accurate description of what I did it would be a falacious logical leap. Defending Ahok's gaoling would be saying or implying that its ok and/or appropriate - not downplaying its significance (in anything). But what it means in this case, is that because I dispute your baseless claim that one case of a politician going to gaol for trumped up blasphemy charges means that there can't possibly be free and open religious debate across the whole of Indonesian society - I am therefore defending it.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

You somehow replaced my argument with "every single person in Indonesia will self censor as a result".

You have yet to offer an alternative interpretation to your blanket opaque claim that "people [without qualification] will self censor" - to the extent that the entire society is an "Islamofascist oppressive shithole". But I'm happy to concede "almost every single person" if you like.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

I can only tell you what I see from you and other Muslims Gandalf

Thats the problem here FD - you are trying to tell me what I do in contexts in which you *DON'T* see me, and therefore have no idea about.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

a "reform agenda" that could be either deliberate taqiyya merchants or sincere but naive converts who somehow managed to see something good in Islam but are too polite or scared to confront other Muslims with it

Phew - just as well you are only telling me what you *SEE* from muslims eh FD! Do you have hidden cameras set up at my local mosque? ;)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:

You defended it by downplaying it's significance for freedom of speech and the "free market of ideas" you claim exists in Muslim countries

So you "logical" argument is that you were not defending Ahok's jailing because there is only one possible way to defend something?

You make it your job to polish the turds of Islam. You have your work cut out for you.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:41pm

Downplaying a particular behaviour's significance to a particular issue is not "defending" it FD. That should be pretty obvious.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 7:32pm

moses wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:10pm:

Not from me.

I am every bit as devout as the jihadis in my interpretation. So too are the vast majority of muslims.

The problem you have is your entire perspective is clouded by the overriding belief that it is literally not possible to sincerely believe in an alternative interpretation of the Quran to that espoused by the extremists.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:

Downplaying a particular behaviour's significance to a particular issue is not "defending" it FD. That should be pretty obvious.

Yes it is Gandalf. Obviously when it comes to Islam, "downplaying" is about as far as you can go while keeping a straight face. You are attempting to defend the influence of Islam on society by downplaying the very real attacks on freedom of speech. You implied that it would not lead to self censorship, you misrepresented my argument in every way you could think of - that the law alone causes self censorship, that the jailing of Ahok alone causes self censorship, that every single Indonesian will self censor. You did all of this lying and misrepresentation to avoid addressing the simple reality of the situation.

You polish, so that others may eat. You defend the people who put your Indonesian equivalents in jail. You claim to support freedom of speech, but when pressed turn into a cheerleader for the oppressors. Islam compels you to defend what, in the absence of your religious bond to the oppressor, you would call out for what it is.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:33pm

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:

Downplaying a particular behaviour's significance to a particular issue is not "defending" it FD. That should be pretty obvious.

Strange. I read G's responses to you where he described the Muslim leaders who got Ahok prosecuted as corrupt. He even made the case that they're cynically in bed with the military. As G said, they don't care about blasphemy, they're simply out to do away with all political opposition. The case G put to you is that freedom of speech in Indonesia is far more complicated than your one example of the Ahok blasphemy case.

So I'm curious. You interrogated, quote-bombed, started up a new thread to reel G in and used all the usual FD tactics. You responded to each and every post where G said the above - it made up the basis for your multiple quotes. You asked him to repeat it. He did. A number of times.

So is it possible that you forgot what G said and got his argument all mixed up? Or do you uphold the use of porkies in your campaign against the Muselman?

Thanks, FD. A simple yes or no will suffice.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 9:45am

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

You implied that it would not lead to self censorship

Incorrect FD. I reasonably put it to you that your insistence that it does, in real life Indonesian society, lead to self censorship, is unsupported by any actual evidence. Your "evidence" consisted of absolutely nothing except the gaoling of a politician on trumped up blasphemy charges, and a bold assumption that this necessarily affects how wider society behaves - without even bothering to a) establish any link from one to another and b) even demonstrate your alleged behaviour in wider society.

Did you notice that in all your hand wringing about how you think Indonesian society must behave as an inevitable result of this one case, you never once thought to provide even a single example of this claimed behaviour?

Quote:

the jailing of Ahok alone causes self censorship

Thats literally what you said FD. You spent about 5 pages in the other thread using the sole example of Ahok to make all kinds of outlandish statements about Indonesian society - including that they self censor. Of course you may have other reasons to think this, but you certainly didn't present any. I can but assess you only on what you write.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 10:39am

Karnal wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

As G said, they don't care about blasphemy, they're simply out to do away with all political opposition. The case G put to you is that freedom of speech in Indonesia is far more complicated than your one example of the Ahok blasphemy case.

After the anti-Ahok rent-a-crowds had their say, 10s of thousands of Jakartan's flooded the streets to counter the religious bigots. Funnily enough, this protest didn't get as much western media attention.

In the gubernatorial election that followed, with a massive cloud already hanging over Ahok, and with the bigots doing all they could to coerce muslims to follow the Quran and not vote for a non-muslim - Ahok ended up getting over 40% of the vote, far outpolling the other two candidates. Of course he lost the runoff because the eliminated candidate's votes all flowed to the runner up. But of all 3 candidates, Ahok, despite all the intimidation and bullying going on, was still the most popular - by far.

Last year Indonesia held their regional and mayoral elections, which is widely viewed as a yardstick for the next Presidential and national parliament elections. Predictably, western media assuming like FD that the Ahok trial was the be-all and end-all influencing factor, expected a widespread Islamofascist wave. The Islamofascists themselves buoyed by their victory in Jakarta assumed the wider Indonesian public would cower to their intimidation and sweep them into power all across Indonesia. Reality? They were a big fat flop. There was no Islamist wave, the Indonesian public despite everything, gave them the big middle finger.

These are admittedly crude measures, but it is at least *A* way you can get some sort of guage on the actual attitudes and behaviour of Indonesian society in response to political events like the Ahok gaoling. And really no one should be surprised - Indonesian political representation has never been chock full of Islamists, it has always been secular nationalists who dominate the political sphere. And the ruling class is normally very harsh on extremists flexing their muscles - whether its jihadi activity or run of the mill hate speech. FD's assertion that Indonesian extremists can (and I quote) "say whatever they want" is plainly nonsense.

So this is the basis from which I started this whole sorry argument - that the broad trends and tone of Indonesian politics and democracy (as opposed to single anecdotes) is reasonable grounds to make broad assumptions about its wider society. I think I also originally referred to the results of surveys that have shown Indonesians to have progressive values roughly comparable to most western nations (c.f. PEW survey). This suggests to me, even if somewhat indirectly, that the state of the 'market of religious ideas' is relatively free and open. At the very least it goes against any notion that Indonesian society is, as FD puts it, an "oppressive Islamofascist shithole".

Of course I'm willing to be proven wrong, I welcome it. I welcome FD to make an actual case for why Indonesian society is a self-censoring "Islamofascist shithole", with actual evidence. Until then though, we are left with nothing but a sweeping stereotype based on nothing but a single case of gaoling with a non-existent link to how Indonesians are assumed to behave.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 1:02pm

Quote:

whether it's Jihadi activity or run of the mill hate speech. FD's assertion that Indonesian extremists can (and I quote) "say whatever they want" is plainly nonsense.

Interestingly, Bumi Yami, the politician who started the case against Ahok, was jailed for hate speech. I guess his political opponents had had enough of him, but that's what these crimes are all about in Indonesia: a political tit for tat that annoys Indonesians no end.

Quote:

The charges and counter-charges between political rivals have become rampant, as seen before in the 2017 Jakarta gubernatorial election.

Impossible to revoke

Hence, the increase in blasphemy cases is neither a result of rising intolerance and Islamic radicalism in society nor a phenomenon typical of a non-secular state.

The blasphemy law opens the door for politicians to gain power by capitalising on religious sentiments and the public’s rage that polarise society. As long as Indonesia’s blasphemy law serves the interest of political elites, it is impossible to revoke this law.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi0t_e6l4HhAhXGo48KHSCmAL4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheconversation.com%2Fbehind-the-rise-of-blasphemy-cases-in-indonesia-95214&psig=AOvVaw1sAnOsv1w8paFSMQnw-Yal&ust=1552637475776385

I blame Freeeeedom.

You?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 3:09pm

Gandalf wrote reply 91 yesterday at 7.32pm.

Quote:

moses wrote:[quote]Because gandi, the argument has been, the qur'an needs glossing over ignoring or rationalizing and reinterpreting, in order for islam to catch up to Judaism and Christianity in the world peace stakes.

gandi wrote:

Quote:

[/quote]

There we go again with the *interpretation* excuse.

Why is the qur'an so open to differing interpretations gandalf?

Why do some muslims believe they have to slaughter as many innocent non muslims as possible as their main religious duty on this earth?

For this to be possible (and it is actually happening), your book has to be flawed.

Your interpretation excuse falls flat on it's face with the islamic rapists torturers and mass murderers gandi, because they are not interpreting anything, they in fact are following the words as they are literally written.

No interpretation needed for them, slay means slay, forced sex means forced sex, kill means kill, cut of opposing hands and feet means cut off the hands and feet, they do exactly what the qur'an tells them gandalf, no twisting and turning and trying to tell us that the qur'an is a book of, secret hidden meanings and peace and goodwill for all men.

It's coming gandi as sure as the sun comes up in the east, one day the globe will turn on you and demand that you deal with (denounce), the evil in your book.

In that day islam dies gandi (no more allah/muhammad/qur'an are perfect and can't be changed), the foundation of islam will be destroyed, islam will simply implode.

Hopefully you take leftard ideology down with you, but that may be asking a bit too much, only time will tell.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Frank on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 5:46pm

moses wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 3:09pm:

Gandalf wrote reply 91 yesterday at 7.32pm.

Quote:

gandi wrote:
[quote]Not from me.

I am every bit as devout as the jihadis in my interpretation. So too are the vast majority of muslims.

The problem you have is your entire perspective is clouded by the overriding belief that it is literally not possible to sincerely believe in an alternative interpretation of the Quran to that espoused by the extremists.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:26pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:01pm:

Quote:

What's the matter, Moses? Cat got your tongue?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:45pm

moses wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 3:09pm:

There we go again with the *interpretation* excuse.

I'm not sure what else you expect us to do with a book written in 7th century arabic.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by .JaSin. on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 11:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:45pm:

moses wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 3:09pm:

There we go again with the *interpretation* excuse.

I'm not sure what else you expect us to do with a book written in 7th century arabic.

Yes. It's not like Australians have come up with a better version beyond adopting a Foreign alternative. :D

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 2:20pm

@ karnal

Quote:

The non-peaceful parts of the Bible have not been corrected or "renounced", dear. The Torah and the Bible are seen by Judaism and Christianity as the unerring, unalterable word of God.

I think they believe / know the books are the words of men (not God), said men are driven by their ruling spirit.

Quote:

Indeed, it was so unalterable that the Old Testament was handed down through the generations by word of mouth. Not a word was changed.

Oh well thank goodness for that, and here's me thinking the bible was Fifteen Hundred Years In The Making. The Bible Was Written By Many Authors With Many Occupations. Scripture Was Written In Different Literary Forms. It Was Written Upon Three Continents. Scripture Was Composed In Many Different Circumstances. Three Different Languages Were Employed In Scripture. There Are Many Different Subjects Covered In The Bible. Most Authors Did Not Know One Another

Quote:

Christians don't have to renounce St Paul's views to allow female ministers or accept gays into their congregations. Jews don't have to renounce Leviticus to justify not stoning adulterers to death. Indeed, many religious Jews don't even circumcise their sons (or any servants they may have). They certainly don't all sacrifice lambs at Passover.

St Pauls view is just that his view of society 2019 years ago.

As far as I know there is absolutely nothing in the O.T. which tells the Jews that their societal laws were binding for all times.

Quote:

It is quite possible to be a modern subject and have an ancient religion without "renouncing" anything. Jews sometimes conduct a symbolic bris for their sons without the circumcision. They hold to the belief that it's the thought that counts. Jews will even put "symbolic" blood on their doorsteps for Passover - quite an evolution for a religion based on a blood covenant.

Except for one over riding fact, the qur'an is primarily about muslim supremacy and oppression of the non muslim. It is written in the present tense, so the commands to thieve rape torture and kill are as relevant today as they were 1400 years ago.

That is exactly what is happening right now, muslims around the globe are following the literal qur'an and committing human rights atrocities, as a religious requirement.

Quote:

The Quran, of course, outlines no such specific laws or rituals. The 5 pillars is it. Even circumcision is just a recommendation.

So I'm curious. Why should only Muslims have to renounce their book? Why not Jews and Christians?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 2:26pm

WWW search....
A Month of Multiculturalism in Britain: February 2019
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13862/multiculturalism-britain-february
by Soeren Kern
March 11, 2019

[CONSIDER;       although female genital mutilation [FGM], has been a criminal offense in Britain since 1985,
"the illegal practice, ....may affect up to 60,000 girls in the UK". !!!!

Q. why so ?

we know that the practice of FGM is not native to the people of the U.K.
and, if persons from immigrant communities [in the U.K.] have been well integrated into U.K. society [as i am sure those who support mass immigration into the U.K. will claim],
why are so many persons from immigrant communities willing [and being permitted] to so blatantly flout U.K. laws, in this area related to the health of many young girls ? ]

WWW search....
North Dakota: Muslima arrested for threatening people with knife says “I’m being attacked because I am a Muslim”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 13, 2019 04:00 pm

[while others are considered wrongdoers, for their wrongdoing, accused moslems, always claim to be the innocent victim.

this is coz, moslems are innocent people and, are the virtuous people.
and when a moslem comes into any form of conflict with a disbeliever,
then it is not possible for the moslem to be the wrongdoer [hey, 'i'm the innocent person' !].
DON'T BELIEVE ME ?
Q.    have you EVER, EVER, EVER, known a moslem, who has been charged with any criminal offence, within any Western nation,
admit criminal guilt and wrongdoing ? ever ? ]

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Georgia: Muslima assembles “kill lists” of servicemembers for group linked to the Islamic State
By Robert Spencer on Mar 13, 2019

[nothing amiss here.    those infidel service members, being in the service of the government of an infidel nation, are all confirmed, 100%, to be Allah's enemies.
this is a completely kosher kill list.
Q. did you ever wonder what our 'Aussie' muslima's kill lists look like ? i'm sure that ASIO is on it. ]

WWW search....
Islamic Republic of Iran sentences lawyer who defends women who don’t wear hijab to 38 years prison, 148 lashes
By Robert Spencer on Mar 13, 2019
"Iranian human rights lawyer Sotoudeh sentenced to 38 years in prison, 148 lashes..."

[defending accused women in ISLAMIC courts, is not halal.
and, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

ISLAM is peace, and ISLAMIC law is just and fair.
"....and if you contradict us, we will, KILL YOU!, for insulting Allah's religion!"
n.b. < ---- this is what the followers of ISLAM are defending. ]

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Islamic State jihadi: “What is our guilt? What is our crime? We just wanted to apply the sharia of Allah.”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 13, 2019
"ISIS is routinely dismissed [in the West] as un-Islamic, but...."    [we must and should, examine how Jihadis always insist that their 'legitimate' authority, is wholly derived from the authority of ISLAMIC law, Allah's law !]

[IN AUSTRALIA;    local moslems by their actions [over time], will often reveal, that they have little, or no respect, for Australian laws and Australian cultural norms.
in every mosque in Australia, the imam will teach that ISLAMIC law is superior to 'man made' laws [i.e. local laws].
[and even though, moslems may publicly deny that, that is taught, here in Australia.
this is what many imams teach to their congregants ---- > ]

WWW search....
the muslim must obey the law of the land - as long as local law does not violate Allah's law
the muslim must obey the law of the land - except where local law is in conflict with Allah's law
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1491782088/4#4

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“Islamophobia expert” who became an Islamic State jihadist is arrested in Syria
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 13, 2019

[coz, 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA' is a crime against Allah.
anyone who 'scrutinises' or criticises ISLAMIC teaching and the religion of ISLAM,
can be said to be 'waging war against Allah'. [see below] ]

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, "
Koran 5.33

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Germany: Researcher blames multiculturalism for rise of Arab gangs and no-go zones in Berlin
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 13, 2019

[that is total B.S.
everyone knows that    ISLAM is peace,    and the followers of ISLAM are the virtuous people. PERIOD.
if there is wrongdoing, it is non-moslems who are the cause of it. PERIOD.
ISLAM is peace.    honest! ]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 4:17pm

Gandalf wrote:

Quote:

moses wrote [quote]There we go again with the *interpretation* excuse.

gandi wrote
Quote:

I'm not sure what else you expect us to do with a book written in 7th century arabic.

[/quote]

Now now gandi enough of that naughty taqiyya.

Of course we all know that interpret can be used in the translation sense of one language to another (Arabic to English in this case).

But you my friend are always fallaciously using *interpret* as an excuse to tell us the literal translated words have an entirely different meaning to what they actually say.

You use this excuse constantly as you're forbidden to question the evil in the qur'an.

Slay means slay, forced sex means forced sex, amputating hands and feet means cutting off hands and feet, etc. etc.etc..

Your book does not promote peace and love amongst mankind, as it's overall theme gandi.

In fact the very opposite is the case, pure malevolence against non believers hypocrites and apostates.

You have a problem gandi, unfortunately for you because of the stupidity of muhammad (the qur'an is infallible and the actual commands of allah), has you in this bind, you simply can't be honest and denounce the evil in the qur'an with out destroying the foundations of your beliefs.

It is coming however gandi, the world will turn on islam and demand that muslims renounce the evil in the qur'an.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 8:29pm

moses wrote on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

@ karnal

Quote:

The non-peaceful parts of the Bible have not been corrected or "renounced", dear. The Torah and the Bible are seen by Judaism and Christianity as the unerring, unalterable word of God.

I think they believe / know the books are the words of men (not God), said men are driven by their ruling spirit.

[quote]Indeed, it was so unalterable that the Old Testament was handed down through the generations by word of mouth. Not a word was changed.

Just how much crap are you capable of?

64% of the qur'an is devoted to the muslim supremacist oppression of the non believer.

Hence the problem today in the 21st century is muslim depravity.

It's got sweet fanny adams to do with Hinduism Buddhism Judaism paganism Christianity whatever, it's solely a muslim problem caused by the evil in the qur'an.

They have to renounce the commands from allah as being evil.[/quote]

Don't want to answer the question, eh?

I can see why, Moses. Jews and Christians will never renounce the violent parts of their holy book. The very point of the Torah is to show the Jews', God's chosen people, struggle with God. Much of it reads as an instruction manual on taking down Gentiles, and all of it is dictated by God to His various prophets, there is no doubt on that point whatsoever. Jewish law was dictated by Jehova Himself, from behind a burning bush.

Muhammed was a prophet, all too human and far from being God. It was Christianity who put their prophet into the God category. Muslims aren't allowed to have images of Muhammed to prevent deification of him.

64 percent of the Quran is not devoted to killing non-believers, dear. Most of your Muslim hate site quotes are about Allah's punishments in the afterlife. By contrast, much of the Old Testament is about how to treat blasphemers, adulterers and false idol worshippers in this life. Stoning, burning, cutting of the limbs. You know this, you're Moses.

So try again, dear. Why don't Jews and Christians renounce the parts of the Bible they clearly disagree with?

Try to be honest, dear. No porkies, please.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 11:33pm

WWW search....
Islamic State Muslimas throw stones at reporter, “we’re the woman of the Islamic State, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019

[ISLAM is peace]

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France: Court rejects “Muslim Martin Luther” Tariq Ramadan’s request that rape charges against him be dropped
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019
"French court rejects request to drop rape charges against Islamic scholar Ramadan,"

[another innocent moslem.    a moslem wouldn't rape a fly!]

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Netherlands: Converts to Christianity from Islam get threats “every single day”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019

[ISLAM is peace. and ISLAM is tolerance.]

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"People who worship anything other than Allah are infidels and it is permitted to kill them."
- moslem clerics, in Indonesia, teaching moslem children

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89

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Iran: Videos show violent assaults on women for not wearing hijab
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019

[coz, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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As Iran imprisons women for not wearing hijab, UN names it to women’s rights committee
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019

[Iran joins women’s rights committee.
coz, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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Australia: ISIS bride who called for violence against non-Muslims wants to return, says “we have human rights”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 14, 2019

[we moslems have human rights.    coz, we moslems are the humans.
AND killing the enemies of Allah, ALL OF THEM, is not genocide.
coz, disbeliever = = sub-human. TRUE!]

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
sub-humans

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Germany: Muslim migrant crimes concealed to prevent “prejudice”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 14, 2019
"Authorities in a district of rural Germany covered up a long list list of asylum seeker crimes including rape, assault, and child sex abuse so as not to stir up prejudice."

[coz, to accuse a moslem of wrongdoing, is a crime, aka, 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA'.]

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UK: Muslim migrant parents sending their sons to Somalia to avoid knife crime in Sadiq Khan’s London
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 14, 2019

[the UK, is becoming a LAWLESS STATE, without ISLAMIC law.    ....its all going according to the moslem plan.]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:33am

Karnal wrote on Mar 15^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

64 percent of the Quran is not devoted to killing non-believers, dear. Most of your Muslim hate site quotes are about Allah's punishments in the afterlife.

Moses knows this, so he chooses his words carefully. Its not exactly "killing non-believers" but " the muslim supremacist oppression of the non believer." - I reckon he figures that gives him a bit of wriggle room ;)

But I think we can safely assume moses will steer clear of all the verses that unambiguously tell Muhammad and muslims that judgment on matters of disbelief are strictly the domain of their creator, and we are but warners and messengers. It would be a bit hard to maintain his tricky ambiguity while acknowledging this little inconvenient fact ;)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 2:54pm

The book is flawed as it causes islamic terorism.

No matter how many lies are told by the leftards and the muslims, facts are facts.

muslims right now are the worlds greatest terror threat,

muslims kill 100's of thousands of innocent children with starvation and trauma from refugee flight,

muslims rape little children with their forced child marriage, bacha bazi and bacha bereesh,

muslims are the worlds refugee problem with millions of them fleeing each other around the globe and expecting the hated kufir to feed and shelter them,

Q/. If the qur'an is a perfect book, why do muslims have the above problems?

A/. because the book is a load of imperfect rubbish, which has led muslims through the last 1400 odd years to where they are now today.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Brian Ross on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 3:48pm

The book is flawed as it causes Christian terorism.

No matter how many lies are told by the Rightards and the Christians, facts are facts.

Christians right now are the worlds greatest terror threat,

Christians kill 100's of thousands of innocent children with starvation and trauma from refugee flight, and bombs and missiles dropped from Drone aircraft.

Christian clergy rape little children with their molestation of children.

Christians are the worlds makers of refugee problems with millions of people fleeing each other around the globe and expecting the secular west to feed and shelter them,

Q/. If the Bible is a perfect book, why do Christians create the above problems?

A/. because the book is a load of imperfect rubbish, which has led Christians through the last 2019 odd years to where they are now today. ::) ::)

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 5:17pm

moses wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 2:54pm:

Still don't want to answer the question?

No worries, Moses. You now go down as a heinous spineless apologist who defends the most despicable crimes of humanity.

Google: taqiyya.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 1:01pm

WWW search....
Nigeria: Muslim suicide bombers try to enter church, are stopped, blow themselves up outside the church building
By Robert Spencer on Mar 15, 2019

[oh! i wonder why moslems in Nigeria would want to attack and to kill those who are not moslems ????
[moslems in Nigeria, are approx. 50% of population, wiki]

hmmm, i just don't know.
it is a mystery to me.
and oh! i wonder why we do not hear moslem communities living in countries like Australia lift their voices to vigourously condemn these attacks [by moslems in nations like Nigeria], against those who are not moslems ????
hmmm, i just don't know.
it is a mystery to me.

BUT PERHAPS, it is because moslems living in countries like Australia KNOW, that ISLAMIC religious doctrine encourages such attacks against non-moslems!]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Nigeria: Muslims murder over 20 Christians with machetes and gunfire
By Robert Spencer on Mar 15, 2019
"Fulani Militants" "have “a deliberate plan to ‘wipe out certain communities,” chief among them being the Christians of Nigeria"

[AGAIN....
oh! i wonder why moslems in Nigeria would want to attack and to kill those who are not moslems ????
[moslems in Nigeria, are approx. 50% of population, wiki]

hmmm, i just don't know.
it is a mystery to me.
and oh! i wonder why we do not hear moslem communities living in countries like Australia lift their voices to vigourously condemn these attacks [by moslems in nations like Nigeria], against those who are not moslems ????
hmmm, i just don't know.
it is a mystery to me.

BUT PERHAPS, it is because moslems living in countries like Australia KNOW, that ISLAMIC religious doctrine encourages such attacks against non-moslems!]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Hamas-linked CAIR exploits New Zealand massacre to try to shut down opposition to jihad terror
By Robert Spencer on Mar 15, 2019
BECAUSE.... "it is “bigotry” and “racism” to oppose jihad terror".

[and anyone who would point an accusing finger, at the clear ISLAMIC mainstream religious doctrine [sourced from the Koran!] which encourages violent attacks against non-moslems, is always an ISLAM-O-PHOBE or a 'racist' !
n.b.
to condemn ISLAM, for plainly ecouraging violent attacks against non-moslems, is HATE SPEECH.
but if the Koran plainly encourges attacks by moslems, against non-moslems, is -NOT- HATE SPEECH.]

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China shields leader of Pakistani jihadi terror group from being listed as “global terrorist” by UN Security Council
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 15, 2019 12:00 pm
"China is allied with Pakistan, which is a state sponsor of jihad terror."

[Q. why so ? A. coz there is money and influence in it, for China. plain and simple.
China is a whore, just like all Western nations.]

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New Zealand murders: repercussions and perspective
By Robert Spencer on Mar 15, 2019 11:41 am
"The savage and heinous terrorist attacks on the mosques in New Zealand are being and will be used to try to silence all criticism of jihad terror...."

[yes, it will. and yet, this violent attack upon moslems, in NZ, will be viewed by many moslems, as a wonderful opportunity, to promote their opposition to 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA'. count upon it!]

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Canadian Islamic Circle posts book on website featuring “prophecy” about Jews being slaughtered by Muslims
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 15, 2019

[n.b. this Canadian ISLAMIC community, in promoting this religious book, is merely acknowledging what had been revealed to the believers [moslems], by Allah.
and for non-moslems to bring attention to the 'celebration' of this message from Allah, by moslems, is simply another instance of 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA', by those who hate moslems.
because, this Canadian ISLAMIC community acknowledging a sacred “prophecy”, about Jews being slaughtered by moslems, can never be characterised as being HATE SPEECH. because that would be to cast a slur upon all moslems, everywhere ! ]

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New Mexico jihad compound members charged with “conspiring to attack and kill officers and employees of the US”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 15, 2019

[THE ALLEGATION AGAINST THESE MOSLEMS, is that they built a compound inside the U.S., in the New Mexico desert, in order to train moslem children to become school massacre shooters, within the U.S.
ISLAM is peace.]

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 2:09pm

the other liar karnal wrote:

Quote:

all of it is dictated by God to His various prophets, there is no doubt on that point whatsoever. Jewish law was dictated by Jehova Himself, from behind a burning bush.

Absolute crap.

The O.T. contains both law and commandments.

Commandments were accepted as being given by God himself to Moses.

Law know as Judaic / Mosaic law was composed by Moses himself.

The very first line in Dueteronomy makes this clear.

Dueteronomy 1:1 These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.

The law was authored by Moses

The question is why do you people continuously lie in order to try and save islam from being held accountable for the terrorism it engenders?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 7:27pm

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Incitement to genocide of Jews is widespread inside mosques in the US
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 16, 2019
"Exactly what happened in the mosques in France 15 years ago is happening today in the U.S. “Incitement to genocide of Jews widespread inside US mosques,” "

[surely not!
ISLAM is peace.

the Jewish people are the principle target of 'expressed' moslem hatred, at this time.

WWW search.... "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."
"Such graffiti can sometimes be found in Muslim neighborhoods in the Middle East."
i.e. first the little satan, then the great satan. ]

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Video: David Wood and Robert Spencer on the New Zealand massacre and how it is being exploited
By Robert Spencer on Mar 16, 2019 02:00 pm
"Yesterday evening David Wood and I discussed the New Zealand massacre and the subsequent attempts to defame and silence those who oppose jihad terror."

[jihad terror ?
NO! ISLAM is peace. ISLAM is peace. a thousand times, ISLAM is peace. ]

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Saudi King calls for “combating hate speech and terrorism that is not condoned by religions”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 16, 2019 01:00 pm
"Apparently terrorism that is condoned by religions is fine with him, as in “strike terror in the enemies of Allah”
(Qur’an 8:60)."

[ISLAM is peace. ]

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International Union for Muslim Scholars “calls on non-Muslim countries to ban the spread of hatred against Islam”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 16, 2019 12:00 pm
"Since analysis of the motivating ideology behind jihad terror is routinely smeared as “hatred of Islam and Muslims,” this will likely outlaw all such analysis and make opposition to jihad teror effectively impossible."

[anyone who 'scrutinises' or criticises ISLAMIC teachings and the religion of ISLAM, are commonly accused, by moslems, of HATE SPEECH.
coz, 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA' is a crime against Allah.
but the many, many verses of the holy Koran, which command moslems to hate, to fight and to kill non-moslems,
are not HATE SPEECH !!!

ask Bill Shorten, and Scot Morrison, and all of the 'award winning' investigative journalists at the ABC.]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Nigeria: Muslims murder 85 people, torch 100 homes, villagers “living in palpable fear”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 16, 2019 11:00 am
"Will the Islamophobia never end? “Herdsmen Kill 85 People in Kaduna Communities,” by John Shiklam, This Day, March 13, 2019: No fewer than 85 people have been killed....by gunmen suspected to be Fulani herdsmen." [i.e. moslems]

[ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith.]

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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3,000 Yazidi sex slaves missing and feared dead
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 16, 2019
[in Iraq and Syria...] "3000 Yazidi sex slaves are lost and feared dead.
This story should be in headlines everywhere.
Is it?
Are the lives of Yazidi girls and women so valueless in the eyes of the Western media?"

[ISLAM is peace. ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:11pm

moses wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 2:09pm:

the other liar karnal wrote:

Quote:

all of it is dictated by God to His various prophets, there is no doubt on that point whatsoever. Jewish law was dictated by Jehova Himself, from behind a burning bush.

You must have missed the book of Exodus, dear, spoken by Yehovah in the first person:

Quote:

20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

You know the rest.

Deuteronomy makes it clear that Moses only passed on the message. Exodus describes how:

Quote:

16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. 17 Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. 18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain[b] trembled violently. 19 As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.[c]

20 The Lord descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain. So Moses went up 21 and the Lord said to him, “Go down and warn the people so they do not force their way through to see the Lord and many of them perish. 22 Even the priests, who approach the Lord, must consecrate themselves, or the Lord will break out against them.”

23 Moses said to the Lord, “The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, ‘Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.’”

24 The Lord replied, “Go down and bring Aaron up with you. But the priests and the people must not force their way through to come up to the Lord, or he will break out against them.”

25 So Moses went down to the people and told them.

The whole point of Jewish law is that it comes from God, dear. You have this marvellous ability to rejig the foundations of your own religious tradition.

God knows what you'd do with the religious beliefs of others.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 10:33pm

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Nigeria: Muslims kill 120 Christians, destroy 140 homes in the last two weeks
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019
"120 people killed, 140 homes destroyed by Nigeria Fulani since February,"
[ < ----- this is not nearly as serious an outrage as Christchurch though. otherwise we would have seen it reported on our evening TV news.]

[and, oh! i wonder why moslems in Nigeria would want to attack and to kill those who are not moslems ????
[moslems in Nigeria, are approx. 50% of population, wiki]

and, extremist views [like those of Fraser Anning, critical of the militancy of ISLAM] must be opposed.
but these views, which are 'revered inspiration', to moslems, is ok. ----- >
and must never be scrutinised. ----- > ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Nigeria: Muslims attack Christian village, destroy church
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019
"The international media only cares about these kinds of incidents when the victims are Muslims."

[Muslims destroy a Christian village/church.
in Christchurch ? never!
in NZ, ISLAM is peace.
moslems in Nigeria, are approx. 50% of population, wiki]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Mozambique: Muslims murder 13 villagers, destroy over 120 houses, in quest to impose Sharia
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019
"No Muslims were killed, and so the international media will pay no attention."

[ISLAM is peace.]

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Corbyn: Manchester jihad massacre an “incident,” New Zealand white supremacist massacre a “terror attack”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019

[the MSM and politicians everywhere in the West, bend the knee, rather than confront the rising, and obvious ISLAMIC imperative - the militancy and supremacy of ISLAM.
ISLAM is peace.]

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Italy: Tourist falls off cliff when Muslim migrant slaps her during alleged sexual assault
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019

[it must have been a tragic accident.
ISLAM is peace.]

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NYU: Muslim students claim Chelsea Clinton responsible for New Zealand massacre because she criticized Ilhan Omar
By Robert Spencer on Mar 17, 2019

[yes, that message is hyperbole, but utterance, is intented to send the 'social signal' that every commentator should always seek to immediately scapegoat any person who is seen to not actively support the moslem 'public' narative, which is that ISLAM/moslems are tolerant, harmless, friendly, and beign.
n.b. anyone who is openly critical of the behaviour of an individual moslem or of a moslem community, can be said to be hostile to ISLAM, and to be 'waging war against Allah'. [see below] ]

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, "
Koran 5.33

.

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 11:46am

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UK: Labour MP slams establishment media for ignoring the slaughter of African Christians
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 19, 2019
" “British Labour MP Kate Hoey has condemned the mainstream media for ignoring the ‘slaughter’ of over 100 Christians in Nigeria by Muslim militants over the past three weeks.”
Hoey is correct.
“Her criticism comes after Western networks and publishers have given extensive coverage to the murder of 50 Muslim worshippers who were gunned down in....NZ."

[Q. are mainstream societies, in the West, blind to atrocities SHAMLESSLY committed by followers of ISLAM [unless those multiple murders are being committed in our midst] ?
Q. why so ?
Q. are mainstream societies, in the West, in this modern civilised age, inhabited by people who a God [if he exists] would love [for their righteousness] ? ]

Isaiah 1:17 Exodus 23:7 Leviticus 19:15 Deuteronomy 25:1 Jeremiah 22:3 KJV

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New Zealand teen faces 14-year jail term for sharing massacre video
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 19, 2019
"There is no legal superiority of Muslims over infidels in Western law. But...."

[well, the existence of such a video will offend the moslem community. so it must not be accessible, ANYWHERE.
and such material would certainly offend N.Z. LEFTISTS !!]

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Muslim “journalist” in UK blames Geert Wilders for Utrecht jihad massacre
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019
"Are you getting the new rules?
When non-Muslims murder Muslims, it’s because of “Islamophobia.”
And when Muslims murder non-Muslims, it’s because of “Islamophobia.”
In all cases, the Infidels, not the Muslims, are to blame...."

[i.e. 'if only all of the ISLAM-O-PHOBES would stop 'persecuting' us moslems, world peace would break out! honest! ']

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Utrecht jihad murderer captured, had been arrested before for suspected links to the Islamic State, but was released
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019

[THE LOGIC, OF THE RULING ELITE [GOVERNMENTS] IN EUROPE; its OK 1/ to live in a European nation, and its OK 2/ to be a follower of ISLAM, and its OK 3/ to be a supporter of ISIS,
coz, we are confident that you are a peace-loving moslem, BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T MURDERED ANYONE YET. !!!!!
ISLAM, is peace.]

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Nigeria: Muslims murder another 10 Christians, bringing death toll to 140 since February 10
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019
"Don’t expect to see anything about this ongoing jihad in the establishment media."

[ISLAM, is peace.]

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“Palestinians” distribute sweets to celebrate jihad murder of Israeli
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019

[ISLAM, is peace.]

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"Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." - UK moslem community leader [speaking behind 'closed doors']

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Dutch Prime Minister says Netherlands will “not yield to intolerance” after Utrecht jihad massacre
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019
"That means that the Netherlands is not going to do anything to address the problem of jihad activity within the country, or reconsider its policies of mass Muslim migration, since opposing jihad terror and Sharia oppression, as well as mass Muslim migration, is universally considered “intolerant.” "

[this response to ISLAMIC inspired, criminal violence in Europe, is awful, absurd, and insane, imo.

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Canada: Man under fire for “Islamophobic” 2-year-old video with 475 views that links Islam to violence
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019
"This is more of the effort to exploit the New Zealand massacre to shut down all criticism of Islam and all opposition to jihad terror."

[compling evidences that the religion of ISLAM, and the followers of ISLAM, are 'connected' to promoting violence and criminality, is increasing becoming a CRIME in itself.
this is an insane response to the ready identification, of ISLAM in the West, being 'connected' to promoting violence and criminality !!!
kill me now !!! [only kidding. don't try.] ]

WWW search....
UN is seeking to criminalise criticism of religion
UN is seeking to criminalise criticism of ISLAM
UN Seeks to Criminalize Free Speech, Citing "Human Rights"
Can the UN ban criticism of Islam?

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Tlaib: “Islamophobia” is “still very present on both sides of the aisle”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019

[anyone today, who positively identifies the religion of ISLAM as a source of wrongdoing and illegality, is certain to labelled as a 'ISLAM-O-PHOBE'.]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 11:03pm

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Australia: Muslims plotted jihad massacres to “defeat all the infidels,” prosecutor says “Islam not on trial here”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 19, 2019 03:08 pm
"Crown prosecutor Lincoln Crowley “said the acts planned by the men would have been ‘designed to demonstrate to the unbelievers the righteousness of their particular belief in Islam’, but added, ‘the religion of Islam is not on trial here.'”    Of course it isn’t."

n.b.
"Muslims plotted jihad massacres to “defeat all the infidels,” " - Crown prosecutor Lincoln Crowley sees no link to ISLAM!

[absurd Crown prosecutor.
the moslem community in Australia must be rubbing their hands together in glee.]

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Toronto: Muslim leaves suspicious packages at subway station on two successive days
By Robert Spencer on Mar 19, 2019

[even if these packages in subway station are not bombs, this calculated behaviour can be extremely disruptive to normal travel in this subway area, and costly to monitor and check.
every moslem is a moslem.
every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.
'We are supporters of ISLAM, and we're here to help you infidels.'
'And thank you, for allowing us moslems, to come to your countries, as a sanctuary.' ]

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we will destroy your miserable house, muslims

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"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."

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Man detained at border meets Muslims claiming to be “political refugees” yet openly supporting jihad terror groups
By Robert Spencer on Mar 19, 2019
"....he said he was detained alongside around 100 other men, many of whom vowed [they were] “political refugees” claiming asylum    all the while openly voicing support for brutal terrorist outfits and insurgencies including ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab and the Taliban."

[nothing to worry about here.DON'T BUILD THAT WALL!]

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren compares “white nationalism” to “ISIS and Al-Qaeda”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 19, 2019

[why not to Evangelical Christians too Elizabeth ?
'good', and 'evil', do not exist. isn't that right Elizabeth ? ]

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Minnesota: Charges dropped against Christian pastor arrested at Mall of America for talking with Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Mar 18, 2019

[in the U.S.A, UK, Europe, Australia, NZ,    it is grossly offensive to the ears of a moslem [and ISLAMIC law makes it 100% illegal], to hear from a Christian street preacher that there may be another way to gain God's favour,
other than choosing to murder people, who do not believe what you [moslems] believe !!! ]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 22^nd, 2019 at 8:12am

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Erdogan: If Australians with anti-Islam views come to Turkey, we will send them back in caskets
By Robert Spencer on Mar 20, 2019
" “Erdogan’s Monstrous Death Threats to Australians,” by Tim Wilms, The Unshackled, March 20, 2019: Turkey’s Islamist dictator President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has responded to the fact the Christchurch mosque shooter was Australian to threaten Australians visiting Turkey with death if they..."

[the just revenge is coming, against Australians.
mark those words.]

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Italy: Muslim migrant bus driver rams bus full of children into cars on highway, sets it on fire
By Robert Spencer on Mar 20, 2019
"Bring in people who were raised in a culture of violence [and revenge - Yadda], you’re going to get this."

[this was a holy act.
this is viewed by many moslems, as the 'good works', of a follower, towards ISLAM.
killing the children of those who reject Allah, is 'good works'.]

Koran 2.98 Koran 47.8-11

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"Destroy Allah's enemies wherever you have them" Doku Umarov
"there are no more civilian objects or civilian population" Doku Umarov

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"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.
Only between Muslims and unbelievers.
And the life of an unbeliever has no value.
It has no sanctity."
April 19, 2004 old link... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html

n.b.
If this is HATE SPEECH,
...it is YOUR KNOWLEDGE, of the source of this HATE SPEECH, which ISLAMISTS want to prevent, through a ban on criticism of ISLAM. !!!

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Netherlands: Friend says Utrecht jihadi “very religious,” three other Muslims arrested in connection to the massacre
By Robert Spencer on Mar 20, 2019

[his sister transgressed ISLAMIC law.
she got, only what she deserved. DEATH.
and so did the infidels who tried to intervene, on her behalf!
this is what we bring, when we bring the followers of ISLAM.
we bring the strictures of ISLAM, to our society.
"ISLAMIC law is superior."]

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Sweden: Serious crimes being committed by returning Islamic State jihadists, cops don’t know where many of them are
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 20, 2019
"Shame on any political leader and authority who does not deal with these facts."

[surely they now realise their mistake, and just 'want to come home'.
"they are not dangerous" "they are like us" moslems. ]

IMAGE.....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/refugee-welcome-not-dangerous.jpg

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Erdogan shows footage of New Zealand massacre while New Zealand jails youth for posting it
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 20, 2019
"New Zealand ignores its mosque problem: al Noor mosque was linked to al Qaeda operatives who were killed in a drone attack in Yemen in 2014." !!!!!!

[Erdogan, as any good ISLAMIST leader will do, is 'playing' to his own religious 'constituency'.
if some moslems, somewhere, should decide to take justified revenge upon the infidels, all the better!
and Erdogan understands, 100%, what he may be unleashing.]

Quote:

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As 'A Huge Lie':
'Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah';
'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607

n.b.
Again, and again, the moslem keeps telling us, how he views the world, and how he views disbelievers.
But are we PAYING ATTENTION yet ?

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Italy: Muslim father tries to run over daughter for being too Westernized
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 20, 2019
"El Mustafa Hayan was arrested on charges of attempted murder."

[100% legal, in ISLAMIC law. TRUE, 100% !!!!!

this is what we bring, when we bring the followers of ISLAM.
we bring the strictures of ISLAM, to our society.
"ISLAMIC law is superior."]

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"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the Saudi police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."

Quote:

....ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren].
[An ISLAMIC source is cited below]....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338868086/4#4
and, "ISLAMIC law is superior."

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Netherlands: Utrecht jihad mass murderer left note saying he acted in the name of Allah
By Robert Spencer on Mar 20, 2019
"Cue the avalanche of establishment media articles explaining that this had nothing to do with Islam."

[ISLAM is peace.
- MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!"
- MSM ]

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The Islamic State had an ambassador to Turkey
By Robert Spencer on Mar 20, 2019

[Erdogan, the leader of the Turkey, ally of Russia, and member of NATO.
and the West's loyal moslem ally.
/sarc off ]

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 22^nd, 2019 at 9:14pm

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New Zealand’s Prime Minister dons hijab, orders national broadcast of Islamic call to prayer
By Robert Spencer on Mar 21, 2019

[i witnessed tonight on a TV news report, a hijab clad Jacinda Ardern, declaring that New Zealand is one nation, undivided.
Q. is NZ now 'a moslem nation' ?
and will Zealand’s Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, now 'cave' to the demands of the moslem community in NZ, and seek to make it a criminal offence [just as ISLAMIC law mandates], to reveal publicly, openly, any information which shows ISLAM in a 'bad light' ?
e.g. how about the command in many verses in the Koran, to fight and kill disbelievers ???
are quoting such verses going to be VERBOTTEN, in NZ ?

if yes, then 'PLEASE EXPLAIN', your thinking, Jacinda Ardern ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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UK: Muslim migrant blames “immorality” in Newcastle for his violent 20-minute sexual assault on a “vulnerable” man
By Robert Spencer on Mar 21, 2019
"It’s always someone else’s fault."

[when a moslem commits some crime [by our laws], and comes to court, the moslem will invariably claim he is the victim, and that he did nothing wrong.]

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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Pakistan: Muslim student stabs professor to death over “anti-Islam” remarks
By Robert Spencer on Mar 21, 2019
"Khateeb Hussain is likely to be celebrated as a hero in Pakistan...."

[in ISLAMIC law, it is a capital crime [blasphemy] to ever criticise ANY aspect of ISLAM.]

'THE STRICTURES OF THEIR FAITH'
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102
"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

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New Mexico Muslims who plotted jihad massacres linked to CAIR and Democrats
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 21, 2019

[THE ALLEGATION AGAINST THESE MOSLEMS, is that they built a compound inside the U.S., in the New Mexico desert, in order to train moslem children to become school massacre shooters, within the U.S.
ISLAM is peace - MSM]

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Sweden: Shia Muslims fearful of returning Islamic State jihadis
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 21, 2019

[ISLAM is peace - MSM
....unless you are the 'wrong kind of moslem'. the Sunni/Shia divide.]

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 23^rd, 2019 at 10:27pm

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Canada: University cites New Zealand massacre as reason for canceling Islamocritical talk by ex-Muslim
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 22, 2019
"...Navabi is not only an apostate, which is a capital offense in Iran; he is now also being punished for criticizing Islam in Canada."

[this is dangerous. and absurd and appalling.
Q. if this stands, how long before all of the West, becomes a collection of 'police states' ?

and yet, this is so, so, 'progressive'.
'liberals' and humanists everywhere must be celebrating such moves.
Q. why not also, make it 'VERBOTTEN' everywhere, to criticise ISLAM and anything which the followers of ISLAM find 'offensive' or 'insulting' ?
how about, infidels breathing, too ? ...if they reject ISLAM ? off with their heads!!!!! ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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London’s Muslim mayor defends arrest of Christian preacher: “There’s not an unlimited right to free speech”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 22, 2019

[.....not in a STATE which protects, in law, the followers of ISLAM from being 'offended' or 'insulted' by what someone may say, within their hearing!
can you say ?; allowing the import of ISLAM into the UK, has led to 'CULTURAL ENRICHMENT'. ]

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"If there are any limits to the freedom of speech other than prohibitions on open calls for violence and criminal activity, then there is no freedom of speech at all."

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Canada: Opposition leader lambasted for not decrying “Islamophobia” following New Zealand massacre
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 22, 2019

[paraphrasing; 'If everyone, is not willing to oppose ISLAM-O-PHOBIA, how can we be 'an undivided nation' !!??'
you know it makes sense!
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Germany: 200 cops arrest 10 Muslims who were “plotting to use a car and guns to kill as many people as possible”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 22, 2019

[that is totally unbelievable i tell ya!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Erdogan: “Just as humanity fought against anti-Semitism, it should fight against rising Islamophobia”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 22, 2019

[because....
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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UK Home Office rejects asylum bid of Iranian convert to Christianity, says “Christianity is not a religion of peace”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 22, 2019
".....the UK Home Office [infested, with the followers of ISLAM - Yadda] “has claimed Christianity is not a religion of peace after turning down a Christian covert’s bid for asylum.....quoting bloodthirsty passages from the Bible"

[those damned CHRISTIANS !!!
everywhere they are found in the world, they are the cause, of violence against the followers of ISLAM!!!
YOUR KNOW THAT ITS TRUE!!!
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 24^th, 2019 at 7:53am

Yadda wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2019 at 10:27pm:

And the vociferous 'objections' to any voice which is critical of ISLAM, continue.
....even when that voice is from EX-moslems [i.e. those who have a good knowledge of what ISLAM really is.].

Quote:

Muslims Who Stand Up To Mullah's Are No 'Islamophobes'

by Tarek Fatah
Toronto Sun
March 19, 2019

.....While the world gave 24/7 coverage to the Christchurch mosque massacre and white folks rightfully denounced one of their own sons, to embrace their Muslim citizens, there was almost no coverage of the Muslim massacre of Christians in Nigeria just a few days earlier on March 4. [LINK https://www.christianpost.com/news/at-least-32-christians-killed-as-mob-burns-homes-church-in-nigeria.html ]

....No weeping politicians, no candlelit vigils and no public demonstration by Muslims in Canada denouncing the jihadi terrorists the way whites denounced a white nationalist.

In fact, Islamists in Europe and North America used the outpouring of goodwill towards Muslims to target Muslim critics of Islamism.

Death threats called for eliminating me, my friend Maajid Nawaz in U.K., Imam Muhammad Tawhidi in Australia and scores of secular Muslims were targeted.

....Why do Christians have the right to laugh at a Ricky Gervais take on God and Jesus, but we Muslims dare not criticize the 17-times-a-day deriding of Christians and Jews that takes place in our mosques across the world?

Just as Martin Luther was no Christianphobe when he stood up to the Roman Catholic Church,
Muslims who stand up to Mullahs are no "Islamophobes."

https://www.meforum.org/58017/muslims-stand-up-mullahs

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EX-muslims against ISLAM

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EX-muslims against sharia

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EX-muslims against ISLAMIC law

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 8:46am

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Hungary: Muslim “refugee” discovered to have beheaded 20 people for the Islamic State
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

n.b. that, is the same ISLAMIC State, that many moslems living in the West, rushed to, to be a part of!!

"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."
- Abraham Lincoln

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Washington state governor and Presidential hopeful Jay Inslee welcomes Hamas-linked CAIR to state capital
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019

[its all the rage, in 2019, for Western nations politicians to virtue signal their complete acceptance of the moslem and his community.
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Virginia Muslim leader says it’s “Islamophobic” and “hate” to use words such as “Islamist extremist”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019
"....as far as Esam Omeish is concerned, any speech that suggests that there is any connection between Islam and jihad violence must be stigmatized and silenced."

[thats correct.
it is absurd.
how could any person connected to ISLAM [that famously peace-loving faith], be an 'extremist' ?]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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France: Man converts to Islam, is arrested while trying to pick up his mail-order sub-machine gun
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019

[look, it was some kind of mistake!
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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France: Muslim with armband saying “jihad” attacks police, screams death threats in the name of Allah
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019

[probably someone just suffering a 'mental illness'.
there is a lot of it going about, especially in France, apparently.
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Hugh Fitzgerald: In Gaza, Hamas Beats and Tortures Those Who Protest Its Misrule (Part Two)
By Hugh Fitzgerald on Mar 23, 2019

[bloody moslem ISLAM-O-PHOBES !
didn't these moslems know, that stirring up 'mischief in the land', and sedition against their moslem over-lords, is punishable by death ?
ISLAMIC law.
once you have political authority, your authority over the people is protected by ISLAMIC law.]

"The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33
"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61

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Netherlands: Muslim migrant who was “reading the Qur’an a lot” stabs Jewish father and son
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019
"The Qur’an demonizes the Jews in numerous ways."

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."
Koran 5.082
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 7:02pm

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UK human rights activist’s Twitter account permanently suspended for criticizing Islam
By Robert Spencer on Mar 23, 2019
"Why has the international Left decided to give wholehearted support to a legal system that denies the freedom of speech,..."

[ISLAMIC law prohibits criticism of Allah's perfect religion.
in fact, criticism of Allah's perfect religion is a capital crime in ISLAMIC law jurisdictions.
this is why ISLAMIC law jurisdictions, are NOT tolerant places.
and yet, we see moslems in the West, are now beginning to 'cajole' many non-moslems here, into showing 'respect' for ISLAMIC law, out respect for the 'sensibilities' of 'our' local moslems!
and ISLAMIC law, always trumps the individuals right, to freedom of speech.
do you see how tolerant, we non-moslems are, of a system of laws which ARE NOT !!]

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Pakistan: Provincial parliament adopts resolution denouncing women’s marches as “shameless and un-Islamic act”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019

[coz, "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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Christians in Muslim countries ‘143 times more likely’ to be killed by Muslims than Muslims in non-Muslim countries
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019

[coz, ISLAM is peace. - MSM"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4
"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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Swedish school giving classes to “refugee children” on how to “pick up girls”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019
"What could possibly go wrong?" !!!!!

[what could possibly go wrong, when ISLAMIC law teaches believers that it is lawful, for a moslem man to rape non-moslem girls/women ? - because Mohammed did it [ISLAMIC texts], and Mohammed is the ISLAMIC example, of lawful behaviour.
100% true.

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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rape epidemic, Sweden, muslim
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bilal skaf, Sydney gang rapes, uncovered women
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"rape jihad"

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London’s Muslim Mayor Defends Arrest of Christian Preacher
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019
"....Christian preacher from Nigeria, Oluwole Ilesanmi, recently discovered that preaching Christianity in public is illegal in London, because it offends Muslims."

[because the followers of ISLAM living in the UK, should not be subjected to being 'offended' or 'insulted' by what someone may say, within their hearing, about the beliefs of another religion.
and, the UK is to become a moslem nation, a nation for Allah alone! ]

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Organization of Islamic Cooperation urges UN to declare “Islamophobia” a form of racism
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019

[because moslems, are an identifiable race of people. !!!
its 'scientific'. honest! ]

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"If there are any limits to the freedom of speech other than prohibitions on open calls for violence and criminal activity, then there is no freedom of speech at all."
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UN is seeking to criminalise criticism of religion
UN is seeking to criminalise criticism of ISLAM
UN Seeks to Criminalize Free Speech, Citing "Human Rights"
Can the UN ban criticism of Islam?

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Hamas official: “Our goal is jihad for the sake of Allah”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019 11:00 am
"Jihad for the sake of Allah is violent jihad waged against non-Muslims. It is an Islamic religious imperative."

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

and Hamas are not jihadists. oh no !!
they are 'freedom fighters', the Jews just happen to be non-moslems too.
honest! ]

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Pakistan: Muslims abduct two Hindu girls, marry them to Muslims, forcibly convert them to Islam
By Robert Spencer on Mar 24, 2019
"The Qur’an says “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). However, what constitutes “compulsion” is in the eye of the beholder."

[this 'behaviour' is 100% lawful in ISLAMIC law. ]

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Pakistan muslim police, collude with muslim, child abuctors

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 9:57pm

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Thousands of Muslim Women Raped, Tortured, Killed in Syrian Prisons
Where are the Media, UN, 'Human Rights' Groups?
by Bassam Tawil
March 25, 2019

["ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied]

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Terrorists Promoted, Victims Ignored
by Uzay Bulut
March 25, 2019

"An estimated 3,100 Yazidis were killed [in Iraq], with nearly half of them... either shot, beheaded, or burned alive... The estimated number kidnapped is 6,800... All Yazidis were targeted... but children were disproportionately affected." — PLOS Medicine, 2017.

By contrast, Shamima Begum [wanna-be-'returner' to UK] said that she had been fully aware of the beheadings and other atrocities committed by ISIS before going to Syria.

"I knew about those things and I was okay with it," she said.

"Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically, that is all allowed."

When asked whether she had questioned any of that, Begum replied, "No, not at all."

[again, Where are the Media, UN, 'Human Rights' Groups? ....reporting on Shamima Begum's views towards disbelievers ??? ]

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 8:48pm

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3,000 Muslim children from the UK attend madrasas in Pakistan that preach jihad violence
By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2019 04:00 pm
"What could possibly go wrong? Anyone who looks askance at this is obviously just a racist, bigoted “Islamophobe.” “Terrorism fears as 3,000 UK children a year go to ‘jihadi’ schools in Pakistan, secret government report reveals,” "

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Houston: Muslim children sing “Allahu akbar, Khamenei is our leader…we are your soldiers”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2019
"What are the chances that these children will grow up to be loyal, patriotic Americans? Around zero."

[Khamenei is Iran's supreme leader.
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Afghanistan: Taliban coercing, beating locals to allege civilian deaths in Kunduz operations
By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2019 02:00 pm
" “War is deceit,” said Muhammad (Bukhari 4.52.268). "

[...and the followers of ISLAM, are masters at that 'art'.]

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Irish bishop: “To define a religious group as being more prone to terrorism than any other group is irresponsible”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2019

[Christians, who hate truth, who are averse to, truth ?
Q. Would the God that these Christians claim to serve, be pleased ?
John 3:19-21 John 18:37 ]

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"Liberal Christians want to steer orthodoxy toward popular culture."

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UK Home Office rejects asylum bid of second Iranian Christian: “Jesus could not protect him from the Iranian regime”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 25, 2019
"There appears to be a very deep hostility to Christianity among certain officials of the UK Home Office. What might be their background and perspective? They may be Muslims, of course, but..."

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 27^th, 2019 at 6:32am

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Qatari School Books: What is Being Taught
by Judith Bergman
March 26, 2019

Qatari Islamic education [is] perhaps even more radical than the most concerned Western critics were assuming. — Based on the "Review Of Qatari Islamic Education School Textbooks For The First Half Of The 2018-2019 School Year," by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).

"The textbooks for grades 6, 8, 9 and 12 glorify jihad and self-sacrifice for the sake of Islam, presenting them as virtues and as divine commandments that earn Allah's favor and rewards, chief among them admittance into the highest level of Paradise". — MEMRI.

The students learn that Muslims who, despite the prohibition, befriend non-Muslims must be punished.

The textbook emphasizes, "Allah prohibits alliances of any kind with unbelievers, and the Islamic nation must disavow unbelievers and their families..."

Students are taught at length about the superiority of Islam over other religions, especially over Judaism and Christianity.

Judaism and Jews, as stressed in the grade 7 textbook, are portrayed as follows: "Treachery and perfidy are among the traits of the Jews throughout history"... [and] that Judaism is a distorted religion, that the Jews have an 'evil nature' and that they "want to take over the world".
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13926/qatar-textbooks

[Q. when will you finally believe that ISLAM is a threat to you, your nation, and your life ?
will it occur to you, when some follower of ISLAM has you on your knees, and has a knife to your throat ?

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 28^th, 2019 at 8:00am

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UK Sharia courts: “I have heard stories of women made to go back to abusive husbands”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019

[Q. doesn't English/UK law prevail, in the UK ?
Q. if the people/government of the UK are sovereign in the UK, shouldn't English/UK law prevail, absolutely, in the UK ?
Q. why should the UK government, 'wink at' the introduction of 'zones' where ISLAMIC law is allowed to have jurisdiction/authority, in the UK [in areas of law, which are in conflict with English/UK law] ? ]

"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.34

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

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Sharia in action: Brunei on April 3 to start stoning gay men to death, fining people for missing prayers
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019

[this looks ominous.
and yet, we all know, that the real ISLAM, is a peaceful and tolerant faith.
honest!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"fining people for missing prayers"....

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"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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Pennsylvania: Muslim lawmaker says prayer in name of Jesus “represented Islamophobia”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019
"....This illustrates how absurd charges of “Islamophobia” are, and how any manifestation of faith other than Islam is sometimes seen as offensive to Muslims...."

[even, in the U.S. jurisdiction, to say, and to affirm, "Jesus is risen!", is attributed as being ISLAM-O-PHOBIC [i.e. an open affront, to ISLAM's primacy!!], to Muslim U.S. lawmakers. ]

"Rep. Stephanie Borowicz prayed. “At the name of Jesus, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus, that you are Lord.” "

what blasphemy!!!, to the ears of any devout moslem.
[in ISLAM, Jesus 1/ did not die, 2/ is not risen, and 3/ has no divinity.
Koran 9.30 Koran 3.64 Koran 6.163 Koran 13.36 Koran 17.111 Koran 18.38 Koran 18.42 ...and more! ]

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Italy: Homes searched of 20 Muslim migrants suspected of funding jihad terror group
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019

[bloody Italian ISLAM-O-PHOBES!!!
don't they know, ISLAM is peace!]

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Muslim cleric: “We will ask for Allah’s help and fight them until the entire world is subject to the rule of Islam”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Philippines: “Good student” of Islamic jurisprudence becomes ISIS beheader, authorities baffled
By Robert Spencer on Mar 26, 2019

[totally inexplicable!!
student, studies ISLAM and ISLAMIC law, then he becomes an 'extremist' !
this is truly baffling!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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The Increasing Presence of Islam in the West Brings More Terror from Both Muslims and Non-Muslims
By Aynaz Anni Cyrus on Mar 26, 2019
"British authorities are still following leads to track down the source of the cluster of four or five London and Glasgow package bombs that were discovered in the first week of March 2019."

[totally inexplicable!!
an 'Increasing Presence of Islam in the West Brings More Terror'
this is truly baffling!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 29^th, 2019 at 11:53pm

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Islamic State commander arrested in Hungary had refugee passport allowing unrestricted air travel
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019
"The geniuses at the EU who came up with this program would have dubbed anyone who objected “Islamophobic.” "

[every moslem in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.
the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too!]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

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New Zealand: Mosque leader blames Mossad for Christchurch attack
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019
"The Qur’an demonizes the Jews in numerous ways. It depicts the Jews as inveterately evil...."

[moslems are Jew haters, but its OK, coz Allah hates Jews too.
so, hatred of Jews must be virtuous.]

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they are the strongest of all people in enmity toward the Muslims (5:82);
they fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah (2:79; 3:75, 3:181);
they claim that Allah’s power is limited (5:64);
they love to listen to lies (5:41);
they disobey Allah and never observe his commands (5:13)

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Yemeni scholar: “ISIS has come to implement Islam as it is, by the book, complete with slave girls, the rape”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

["get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Spain: Six Muslim migrants rape 12-year-old girl for 45 minutes after freeing her friend because she was Muslim
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

["Nothing to see here. Move along! Move along!"

ISLAMIC law teaches believers that it is lawful, for a moslem man to rape non-moslem girls/women ? - because Mohammed did it [ISLAMIC texts], and Mohammed is the ISLAMIC example, of lawful behaviour.
100% true.

n.b.
these moslems would have been breaking ISLAMIC law, to have also raped her moslem friend! ]

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

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muslim rape epidemic, europe
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bilal skaf, Sydney gang rapes, uncovered women
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"rape jihad"

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 29^th, 2019 at 11:58pm

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France: Archbishop “delighted” to participate in dedication of largest mosque in the country
By Robert Spencer on Mar 28, 2019

[as ISLAM in Europe becomes mainstream, and 'accepted'....]

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"Liberal Christians want to steer orthodoxy toward popular culture."

[Q. are the teachings of ISLAM and Christianity, compatible ?
you tell me!
did you know ? that ISLAM teaches, Jesus 1/ did not die, 2/ is not risen, and 3/ has no divinity.
Koran 9.30 Koran 3.64 Koran 6.163 Koran 13.36 Koran 17.111 Koran 18.38 Koran 18.42 ...and more! ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

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“Rome, city of bridges, never walls!,” says Pope, “Jesus demands” we take in Muslim migrants
By Robert Spencer on Mar 28, 2019

[Pope Francis has likened the circumstances of moslem migrants to Jesus [coz Jesus "hath not where to lay his head",
while the Pope, as Jesus representative on earth, continues to live in palaces,
which he is not willing to share with those moslem migrants.
Q. why not ?]

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Austria: Muslim migrant, an Islamic State supporter, arrested for trying to derail German trains
By Robert Spencer on Mar 28, 2019
"He was granted “refugee” status about 20 years ago."

[Q. is this moslem at all grateful to his adoptive nation, for giving him and his compatriots, sanctuary ?
A. not if he is a follower of ISLAM! ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 30^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

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Malaysia Prime Minister: “If we want to make Islam less hated, we need to find out what wrong we have done”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 29, 2019

[its a mystery to 'ISLAM-O-PHOBES' !!!!
this is a case of 'THE THREE MONKEYS' paradigm, when it comes to moslems 'examining' the wrongs of ISLAM.
because moslems themselves, describe ISLAM as Allah's already perfect religion!

THINK ABOUT IT LOGICALLY;
What could possibly induce the moslem to want to reform ISLAM [or to allow its reform],
...when Allah has declared, to the moslem, for all time, that Allah's religion, was formed,
in an already perfect condition ? ]
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1467674822/9#9

and remember, the Koran, is inerrant...
".....This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion....."
Koran 5.3

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Nigeria: Muslims burn four churches and 28 homes, rape and murder Christian woman in raids on Christian villages
By Robert Spencer on Mar 29, 2019

[and did your see, what happened in Christchurch !!?
but, in Christchurch it was moslems who were the victims of a vicious, and violent attack. ]

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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New Zealand: Man fired for calling Islam “violent and destructive” after Christchurch mosque massacre
By Robert Spencer on Mar 29, 2019
"Has the whole world lost the ability to think clearly?
The question of whether or not Islam is violent and destructive is not answered by shootings at a mosque, but by examination of Islam’s texts, teachings, and history.
If Islam is violent and destructive, it doesn’t become peaceful and constructive when some psychopath murders innocent..."

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

[Q. in 'a controversy between men' does TRUTH [of facts] have any place in determining guilt or innocence, righteousness or wickedness ? ]

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Muslim cleric: “Allah has ordered Muslims to take up weapons and has ordered the use of weapons against unbelievers”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 29, 2019

["get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Friday prayers in Iran: “America is an abomination. Death To America! Death To Israel! Death To England!”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 29

["get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Supporters of “Palestinian” jihad use photo of girl injured in Yemen to claim Israeli war crimes in Gaza
By Robert Spencer on Mar 29, 2019

[but, but, it was lying for a good cause! ....Allah's cause! ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

The 'ethic' of ISLAM = = "Let us do evil, so that good may come."

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Two more Muslims arrested for attacks on German trains, Islamic State cell uncovered
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 29, 2019
"Czech authorities arrested a father-of-five and a woman at Vaclav Havel Airport in Prague following an Austrian-issued European Arrest Warrant for the two.
The two Iraqis are believed to be connected to an Islamic State terror cell in Europe.
Both attempted attacks involved derailing trains,..."

[Pope Francis - “Jesus demands” we take in Muslim migrants.
what could possibly go wrong? !!!!! ]

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Pakistan: Christian women abducted, tortured, forced to convert and marry Muslim abductor
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 29
"Christian women and girls are “very vulnerable to kidnap, forced conversion and marriage to Muslims,” "

[this 'behaviour' is 100% lawful in ISLAMIC law. ]

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Pakistan muslim police, collude with muslim, child abuctors

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Mar 31^st, 2019 at 10:01pm

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Pakistan: Islamic scholar rapes his 15-year-old sister at mosque, swears her to silence on the Qur’an
By Robert Spencer on Mar 30, 2019

[this type of predatory behaviour, atm, is being fully exposed in Catholic and Anglican churches, in Western nations.
but the nature of ISLAMIC society and culture, means that even when these type crimes are 'uncovered', they will rarely be 'publicly' reported, or acknowledged.
when some female has been abused, we are far more likely to hear some report, of a woman or girl being 'honour killed' - to hide the family shame.
personal and family 'HONOUR' must be protected.]

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islam, shame based culture vs guilt based culture

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326491993/16#16
In ISLAMIC society and culture the 'honour' of an individual or of a family, is pre-eminently important, and must be defended, no matter the cost [....to others!].
IMO, our Western society is superior because it is willing to scrutinise itself, and when necessary, it is willing to be self-critical of shameful aspects of the conduct of some among us.

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UK, imam in islamic school, sexual
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UK, islamic school child sexual abuse
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hundreds of muslim children 'abused in uk madrassas'

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Germany: 10 Muslims, including at least one migrant, arrested for jihad massacre plotting after raids in six cities
By Robert Spencer on Mar 30, 2019
"But remember: the real threats are “white supremacism” and “Islamophobia.” "

["get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Morocco: Pope Francis to visit imam training institute to boost moderate Islam
By Robert Spencer on Mar 30, 2019

[searching for a 'moderate' ISLAM ???]

"There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam."
- President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan - the OGRE of Turkey
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11484/erdogan-moderate-islam

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 6:55pm

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California Muslim writes: “I will assassinate your pastor in the name of Allah. I will burn down Christian churches”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019

["get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Brunei defends stoning gays, says Sharia is for “criminalizing and deterring acts against the teachings of Islam”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019
"The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and Muslim leaders in the U.S. constantly insist that Sharia is entirely benign and wholly compatible with American law and principles, and that only racist, bigoted “Islamophobes” think otherwise."

[followers of ISLAM, lying, to infidels ???]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

The 'ethic' of ISLAM = = "Let us do evil, so that good may come."

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Ilhan Omar in Vogue Arabia: “To me, the hijab means power, liberation, beauty, and resistance”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

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Spain: Mosque demands that Spanish King apologize for Christian Reconquest of the country
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019

[and oh, yes, we [moslems] want Spain back in our possession too!
and, we will get it back! ....in time.

moslems have a default view about the possession of land;
whenever a new land is conquered by ISLAM, that new land becomes an ISLAMIC land/possession for all time , no if's or but's.
think Israel, think Spain.]

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 7:26pm

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Diversity in Australia: Sunni Muslims on trial for burning down Shia mosque
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019
"Celebrate diversity! Diversity is our strength! And all that. But what happens when you bring in large groups of people who adhere to a belief system that itself does not respect “diversity”? "

[moslems are not even tolerant of, OTHER MOSLEMS, if they are 'the wrong kind of moslem'.
the violent Sunni/Shia divide, in ISLAM, is ever present.

and of course, if these Sunni arsonists had not been 'found out', this deliberate fire at a mosque,
would have been portrayed by many 'Aussie' moslems, as an example of the hate all moslems suffer, against their religion, here in secular Australia. ]

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France: An average of three churches are attacked every day
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019
"...Christians are among “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) "

[n.b. the previous report, from Australia.
and in France, are these attacks on churches being committed by hateful Lutherans, against Catholics ??
do you think ??

"get your paper here!"
ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Columbia University professor Hamid Dabashi blames Bill Maher for Christchurch mosque massacres
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019

[n.b. after the recent massacre in Christchurch, we see moslem political activists/acedemics everywhere, conflating all criticism of ISLAM/moslems, with a propensity to murder moslems. ]

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Video: Iranian women’s rights activist slams Western feminists for wearing hijab — “This is an insult”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019

[Western feminist activists, are nearly all, 'limp wristed' duplicitous moral whores, imo.
there, i said it.
Western feminist activists consistently refuse to condemn, the violence against women, which is inherent within ISLAM. ]

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

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Pope: Coexistence between Christians and Muslims “is a beautiful flower that promises to bear fruit”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019

[hey Papa Francis, who do you love, above all ???
is it Allah, or is it the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ? ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;
"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

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Minneapolis: Judge sharply restricts media, public access to trial of Muslim cop who killed unarmed woman
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019

[??? does Judge Kathryn L. Quaintance, think that the American justice system [U.S.A.] isn't robust enough, for 'a public witness' of the evidence, in common criminal trails ? !!!!!!! ]

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:49pm

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Islamophobia at the UN: Rights chief condemns Brunei’s stoning for gays and amputation for theft as “inhuman”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019
"Brunei is simply implementing Sharia. Doesn’t Michelle Bachelet know that Saudi Arabia and Iran and other Sharia states put homosexuals to death and amputate hands for theft?"

[what naked, ugly ISLAM-O-PHOBIA!!!! ....and from a UN official!!
she should lose her job for this grevious faux pas, of publicly criticising ISLAMIC law.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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UK: At least seven Muslims joined the Islamic State from the University of Westminster
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019
"....it’s likely that there was jihad preaching, and possibly outright recruitment, in their university Muslim student groups...."

['Nothing to see here!'
'Move on, move on.'

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Italy: Muslim migrant says “I chose to kill that young man because he looked happy. I couldn’t stand his happiness.”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019

[but why !
didn't this follower of ISLAM, know that ISLAM has filled his heart with peace and with tolerance and with love for others ???

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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UK: Muslims steal $10,500,000,000 from taxpayers in fraud schemes to fund jihad terror
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019

[Accommodating a criminal culture, among us.

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e.g.
Aust "Three charged over alleged Islamic school fraud offences totalling more than $3 million."
UK "Even paying car insurance was seen as supporting the system. All the (Saviour Sect) brothers drive without insurance, he said....."
Aust "Australia: Hardline clerics urge tax cheating"

Consider;
If even 'Australian'[???] >> moslem community leaders << say [within their own community] that it is 'offensive' for moslems to obey our laws and for moslems to pay [their] taxes, then where is the 'up side' [for our Australian community] in our relationship with the members of such a culture ?

If you take such an argument [i.e. 'We don't have to obey your laws.'] to its logical conclusion [and you can!], if moslems, those lovers of Sharia, despise our laws, and only respect the laws of their own culture, i.e. Sharia,

....THEN ALL THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE, IF THEY ARE PERMITTED BY SHARIA. !!!!!

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:54pm

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New Zealand Deputy PM under fire for saying in 2005 that Muslim communities in NZ have “militant underbelly”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019 05:00 pm
"The Christchurch mosque massacres are being used to shut down any negative word related to Islam, including opposition to jihad mass murder and Sharia oppression."

[yep.
n.b.    after the recent massacre in Christchurch, we see moslem political activists/academics WORLDWIDE, conflating every criticism of ISLAM/moslems, with a propensity to murder moslems.

AND, it is 'normal', and not at all extraordinary,    for a moslem to be a follower of a religion which makes it lawful [AND VIRTUOUS] to fight and to kill disbelievers!

but for any other person, to then make other persons [potential victims], aware of such a threat [from ISLAM], IS PROMOTED BY MOSLEMS, AS BEING 'HATE SPEECH' AND ISLAM-O-PHOBIA ! ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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ISIS bride again pleads to return to UK: “I was brainwashed while knowing little about the truths of my religion”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 02, 2019
"Shamima Begum is no dummy. She knows what British authorities want...to hear"

previously....
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Terrorists Promoted, Victims Ignored
"...Shamima Begum [wanna-be-'returner' to UK] said that she had been fully aware of the beheadings and other atrocities committed by ISIS before going to Syria.

"I knew about those things and I was okay with it," she said.

"Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically, that is all allowed."

When asked whether she had questioned any of that, Begum replied, "No, not at all."

[again,       Where are the Media, UN, 'Human Rights' Groups? ....reporting on Shamima Begum's views towards disbelievers ??? ]

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American Muslim scholar salutes Brunei for implementing sharia stoning of gays
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 02, 2019

[how absurd, is this American Muslim scholar !
we in the West, all know, that the real ISLAM, is a peaceful and tolerant faith.
honest!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 10:41pm

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California Med Center withdraws offer to Muslim resident who tweeted she would give Jews “the wrong meds”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 03, 2019

[OBSERVATION; whenever a moslem commits some crime [by our laws], and is charged with that crime and comes to court, the moslem will invariably claim he is the victim [in being charged], and that he did nothing wrong [not by ISLAMIC law!!!].]

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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Finland: Imam says “we have no extremists here,” his son-in-law and daughter join ISIS
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019

[n.b. no follower of ISLAM will ever describe the tenets and doctrines of mainstream ISLAM, as being associated with 'extremism'.
the tenets and doctrines of mainstream ISLAM, reflect normal ISLAM. ]

"There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam."
- President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan - an advocate for the spread of ISLAM's influence in the world.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11484/erdogan-moderate-islam

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Nigeria: Muslims murder Catholic priest, kidnap at gunpoint church leader who criticized jihadis
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019
"The international media is completely indifferent to the escalating Muslim persecution of Christians in Nigeria."

['Nothing to see here!'
'Move on, move on.'

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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Canada: Muslim student detonates incendiary devices in college building, college evacuated and closed
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019

['authorities' and MSM - 'But this is not terrorism!!', 'Maybe he is just a moslem with some grievance!'

'Nothing to see here!'
'Move on, move on.'

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 10:52pm

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ISIS recruiter demands to return to UK: “The British are scared, they don’t want to deal with us, but they must”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019 05:00 pm
" “If I did not harm to anyone, if I committed no harm in Syria for four years, what kind of threat can I be to Britain?”
That she committed no harm in Syria for four years remains unproven,..."

[typically from captured ISIS jihadis, no humility, no repentance.
but often we can detect a concealed, seething hatred, for those they hold responsible for destroying their caliphate.

mainstream ISLAMIC doctrines command never-ending warfare against the non-ISLAM world.
and wherever and whenever, moslems feel they have that ability, they will often become religiously 'activated' moslems.
BUT AHEAD OF TIME, WE CAN HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHO THEY WILL BE. ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Islamic State jihadi pleads to return to Australia, says he was “misled,” just wanted to learn more about Islam
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019
"The establishment media continues its full-court press to compel non-Muslim governments to accept returning Islamic State jihadis.
And to what end?
Why is the establishment media so bent on putting non-Muslim states and their citizens at risk? "

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

The 'ethic' of ISLAM = = "Let us do evil, so that good may come."

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Netherlands: 500 jihadists active in the country, jihad preachers have increasing influence in education
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

WWW search....
Pope: “Let’s not accuse Muslims. Let’s accuse ourselves also.”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 03, 2019

[in 2019, Papa Francis, is an advocate for ISLAM!!!
and he is an advocate for those who follow a creed, which encourages its followers to hate and to kill 'the sheep' of God's 'flock' !!!
??? ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel....Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand..."
Ezekiel 34:1-10

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 6:55pm

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CNN covers up national security analyst’s ties to Hamas-funding Qatar regime
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019
"It has been clear for quite some time that the establishment media is not providing news. It is a propaganda organ for the hard-Left and its jihadist allies."

[ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
St. Louis: Second Muslim admits sending money to the Islamic State
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

WWW search....
UK: Muslim Uber driver cancels passengers’ journey, saying “I don’t take Jews”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019
"Isn’t multicultural London wonderful?"

[followers of ISLAM, are always the victims of racism and discrimination,
and the followers of ISLAM are always tolerant of those who are not moslems.
coz, ISLAM is a peace-loving and tolerant faith.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

the Jewish people are the principle target of 'expressed' moslem hatred, at this time.

WWW search.... "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."
"Such graffiti can sometimes be found in Muslim neighborhoods in the Middle East."
i.e. first the little satan, then the great satan. ]

WWW search....
Pope: God wants Catholic, Muslim fraternity
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019

[in 2019, Papa Francis, is an advocate for ISLAM!!!
and, in that, he is an advocate for those who follow a creed, which encourages its followers to hate and to kill 'the sheep' of God's 'flock' !!!

Q. is Papa Francis a deceived Papa ???
Q. who is Papa Francis deceived by ???
....is the deceiver of the faithful, the spirit of God ???

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them." Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

scripture...
"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel....Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand..."
Ezekiel 34:1-10

WWW search....
Ilhan Omar presses for release of Muslim Brotherhood leader
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019

[Q. where does the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM lay ???
A. only with those persons whom he, considers to be his, 'brothers'.]

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

WWW search....
Germany: Taxpayer-funded report claims Islamic anti-Semitism is a result of “Islamophobia”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 04, 2019

[oh! my poor moslem friend! he is always being persecuted and oppressed!
even though his community only ever preaches love and tolerance of others!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 7:27pm

WWW search....
Pennsylvania: Muslim lawmaker says Christian prayer was meant to “intentionally harm” her
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019 05:00 pm
"As I explained here, Movita Johnson-Harrell’s statements are in accord with Islamic law, which stipulates that Christians must make no public display of their faith."

[ n.b. the moslem psyche is 'tweaked' [by ISLAM!] so that; if a non-moslem does ANYTHING to offend the moslem or his religion, his response invariably is; "You are persecuting us!"
and anyone who criticises the religion of the moslem, is accused by its followers, of 'bigotry' and 'persecution'.
but, we need to acknowledge that when/where the moslems have become strong and dominant, we ofttimes see that moslems become 'offended' with disbelievers, continuing to breathe !
and we witness this happenstance, time, and time again! ]

WWW search....
Muslim sociologist demonstrates proper Islamic way to beat one’s wife
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019 04:00 pm
"This video is getting a lot of attention, and Abd Al-Aziz Al-Khazraj Al-Ansari is being laughed at. But he is no “extremist.” "

[ "ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied ]

WWW search....
Montana: Muslim spoke of jihad massacres at military facility, gay club, synagogue
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019
"An Albanian national who talked about joining ISIS and attacking random people to avenge a shooting at a New Zealand mosque was arrested...."

[ ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
Muslim cleric: Coalition forces that defeated ISIS are “all Crusaders that hate Islam and the Muslims”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019

[ here it comes!'They hate us, because we are moslems!
They destroyed our caliphate, because we are moslems!
We need to punish those who hate Allah's religion.'
more jihad in the West.
and more 'righteous' attacks, against Allah's enemies.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
Philippines: Muslims wound at least 18 with jihad blast at restaurant in mostly Christian city
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019

[ yet another attack against non-moslems.
but for any person, to declare, that ISLAM always constitutes a threat to non-moslems;
that is promoted by moslems, as being 'HATE SPEECH' and ISLAM-O-PHOBIA ! ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

WWW search....
LA: Muslim who tried to run over two Jewish men outside synagogue also researched jihad attack in NYC
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019

[ ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
France: Muslim arrested for plot to commit jihad massacre at nursery school
By Robert Spencer on Apr 05, 2019

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

WWW search....
Palestinian Muslim opens passenger door of Israeli’s car, attempts to stab teenage girl in passenger seat
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 05, 2019

[ jihad, against non-moslems.moslems have a default view about the possession of land;
whenever a new land is conquered by ISLAM, that new land becomes an ISLAMIC land/possession for all time , no if's or but's.
think Israel, think Spain. ]

WWW search....
"Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." - UK moslem community leader [ speaking behind 'closed doors' ]

WWW search....
Brunei: Sultan calls for even “stronger” Islamic teachings as country implements stoning for gays
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 05, 2019

[ ISLAMIC LAW
here, within Western nations, we are told incessantly, that ISLAM is a peace-loving and tolerant faith.
and, here, within Western nations, spokesmen for the moslem community incessantly tell us, how tolerant they are, of those who are not moslems, and of those who do not share their beliefs.
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 6:23pm

WWW search....
Hamas top dog: Israel “won’t evacuate just the towns bordering Gaza, but also Ashdod, Ashkelon, and even Tel Aviv”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 06, 2019 05:00 pm
"Hamas makes no secret of its genocidal aspirations, and has increasing support among the American Left."

[ moslems/Pals have often said they wont stop attacking Israel, until they drive all of the Jews in 'Palestine', into the sea.
jihad, against non-moslems.
moslems have a default view about the possession of land;
whenever a new land is conquered by ISLAM, that new land becomes an ISLAMIC land/possession for all time , no if's or but's.
think Israel, think Spain. ]

WWW search....
Guinean Cardinal: “If the West continues in this fatal way, it will disappear, invaded by foreigners”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 06, 2019
"Sarah’s new book, Evening Draws Near and the Day is Nearly Over, is causing controversy in Europe because it explicitly identifies Muslim migration as a harbinger of the continent’s collapse."

[ Sarah, a person who has been a witness to, and on the 'front line' of, the jihad against infidels in Africa for decades.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
Seven Days in Rakhine: Day One — The Kyauk Phyu No-Go Zone
By Shwe Kalaung on Apr 06, 2019
"This is a typical scene from Rakhine during the 2012 Islamic insurgency, as Bengali jihadists launched a statewide reign of terror in an attempt to take over the land and create a separate Islamic state."

[ < --- what was not reported in the MSM, in the wake of those attacks in Rakhine, at the time.
Q. why not ?

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

The 'ethic' of ISLAM = = "Let us do evil, so that good may come."

WWW search....
Thailand: Muslims murder two Border Patrol police officers while they were praying in mosque
By Robert Spencer on Apr 06, 2019
"...by working for the non-Muslim Thai government, these Border Patrol Police officers had rendered themselves unbelievers in the eyes of the jihadis in Thailand, and thus they could lawfully be killed in accord with Islamic law."

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

WWW search....
Sweden: Muslim migrant wanted to become an Islamic martyr, tried to run over and kill at least 10 people
By Robert Spencer on Apr 06, 2019

[ surely this moslem must have been 'provoked', after being 'oppressed' by local infidels ?

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
UK: Muslim migrant murders his wife for converting to Christianity
By Robert Spencer on Apr 06, 2019
"The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law."

[ not in Jordan, not in Somalia! in the UK! ]

THE HADITH....
"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

WWW search....
Muslim cleric: “Jihadist doctrine can be traced to specific tenets of orthodox, authoritative Islam”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 06
".....Islamophobia is not rooted in racism and....
.....the distrust of Muslims in many countries is a result of Islamist extremism and terrorism throughout the world."

[ Q. will this 'news' be picked up by the MSM, in Western nations ?
don't hold your breath!!
and imo, this 'reformer' will be lucky to hang onto his head!! ]

WWW search....
Paris: Muslim men humiliate and assault transgender woman at protest
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 06, 2019

[ 'LGBTQXYZ's for moslems, unite!! ...YAY!!!' ]

IMAGE.....

Naive, foolish, little snowflakes.

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 5:55pm

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Muslim who killed Iraqi cop for the Islamic State admitted into US as “refugee,” lived in California
By Robert Spencer on Apr 07, 2019 05:00 pm
"If Ameen is indeed a member of ISIS, and committed a murder on behalf of one of the world’s most notorious terrorist organizations, then how was he able to pass the United States’ thorough refugee vetting process and make a home for himself in Sacramento?"

[ Western nations are seemingly 'care-less', when it comes to establishing the bona-fides of moslem 'refugees' and 'asylum seekers' !
though LEFTIES and apologists for ISLAM, will call persons like myself, a 'racist', for questioning those processes. ]

WWW search....
Indonesia: Village orders Catholic family to leave because they are not Muslim
By Robert Spencer on Apr 07, 2019

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

WWW search....
Germany’s Top Muslim Organization Calls for ‘Islamophobia’ Czar
By Vijeta Uniyal on Apr 07, 2019

[ in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslem cadres in residence there, it is becoming increasingly more difficult for anyone to 'routinely' interrogate or indeed scrutinise ISLAM [in Europe], and the 'doings' of any of its followers.
increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, where ISLAMIC law, and ISLAMIC blasphemy laws, increasingly are being applied ['in process'] within European states. !!!!!
Q. is that appropriate, in any [fundamentally] secular, and pluralist nation ? ]

WWW search....
UK government advisor on “Islamophobia” backed Muslim cleric who called for death for accused blasphemer
By Robert Spencer on Apr 07, 2019

[ in the UK too! ]

WWW search....
Pakistan’s Information Minister: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia making efforts to portray the true soft image of Islam
By Robert Spencer on Apr 07, 2019

[ of course they are. [straight face]
and, they need only look to articles about ISLAM in the MSM, in Western nations, for a guide on 'how to'.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereli""on""ofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 6:12pm

WWW search....
Maryland: Muslim with “hatred” for non-Muslims stole U-Haul to murder pedestrians in vehicular jihad attack
By Robert Spencer on Apr 08, 2019

[ ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

WWW search....
Germany gives $426,037 to Muslim group calling for Israel’s destruction, cuts funding after exposés
By Robert Spencer on Apr 08, 2019

[ governments in many Western nations, act so naively towards moslems [followers of ISLAM] in their midst.
oh, hang on a minute !! i know why !!!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

WWW search....
UK: 113 cases of female genital mutilation reported to police in Birmingham, no prosecutions
By Joshua Winston on Apr 08, 2019

[ ISLAMIC law.
in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslems in local residence,
increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, that ISLAMIC law is being applied ['in process'] within European states,
often without reference to the enforcement of local in-nation laws. ]

WWW search....
"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

WWW search....
UK rape victim denounces plane passengers who stopped deportation of her Muslim migrant rapist
By Robert Spencer on Apr 08, 2019
"Virtue-signaling has consequences."

[ when LEFTISTS/Humanists and their ilk [in our community], routinely, refuse to condemn 'bad behaviour' [lawbreaking behaviour] by persons who are from minority communities.
and when those who complain, are labelled, 'racist', by LEFTISTS/Humanists and sometimes by the MSM, then we are on a slippery slope to seeing 'sanctioned LAWLESSNESS' all around us.
when some are 'excused' from obeying the laws of the land, we are encouraging the spread of LAWLESSNESS, in the whole land.
do you want that ?
do you want to live in a land, where it isn't safe for your wife or your daughter to walk alone, on a street, in the middle of the day ?
because countries like that, do exist.
and we are 'importing' migrants from such countries, so that they can live among us. ]

WWW search....
France: 17-year-old Muslim “child migrant” is actually 47 years old
By Robert Spencer on Apr 08, 2019
"....jihadis have certainly entered Europe as “refugees,” including those who attacked Paris in November 2015."

[ moslems [in dealings with non-moslems] are often revealed to be blatant, bare-faced liars !!
who woulda thunk it ??? ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

Who is at war ???

WWW search....
"'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 8:30am

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Australia: Perpetrator of anti-Muslim hate crime against Muslim family turns out to be Muslim himself
By Robert Spencer on Apr 09, 2019

[ any HUMAN BEING who has become enthralled, by ISLAM, is going to 'have mental issues'.
why so ?
because ISLAM inculcates the idea, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
sub-humans

WWW search....
Texas: Muslim teen plotted jihad massacre at mall — “we will cast terror into your hearts as Allah commanded us”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 09, 2019

[ coz, ISLAM is peace. ]

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Apostle said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

WWW search....
Kashmir: Muslim leader calls for jihad, says “elections in both India and Pakistan is polytheistic, stay away”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 09, 2019
"...because Muslims should simply accept the rule of Sharia, the law of Allah, which is not subject to voting."

[ every moslem living in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is 'slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.
the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too! ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

WWW search....
Abbas lies to Harvard students about accepting Jews and Christians in a future divided Jerusalem
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 09, 2019 12:00 pm
"Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has been saying one thing to Palestinians and another to American audiences."

[ < ---- nothing new here!
ISLAM is the religion of deceit, NOT of peace. ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

WWW search....
UK: Muslim teacher at London Catholic school found to be unable to read or write
By Robert Spencer on Apr 09, 2019

[ if you are a moslem, living in the LEFTIST, PC dominated West, [and if you are willing to tell bare faced lies to local non-moslems,] 'paths of acceptance' will be 'constructed' in front of your feet [they will 'appear' before your feet!], wherever you walk.
...because the enemies of our moslem brothers and sisters, ARE OUR ENEMIES TOO!
and Papa Francis would be pleased too! ]

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 5:57pm

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Maryland: Muslim who plotted vehicular jihad massacre led prayer services at Islamic Society of Germantown
By Robert Spencer on Apr 10, 2019

[ because every moslem living in the West is a 'moderate' moslem.
and they come here, to live with us, because, 'We want a better life, and to be safe.'
honest !!!! ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

WWW search....
Germany: Muslim woman goes on trial for the death of her five-year-old slave girl while in ISIS domains
By Robert Spencer on Apr 10, 2019

[ slavery is 100% LAWFUL in ISLAM [K 33.50].    ...and yes, still, in 2019.
n.b. women like this one, are the wanna-be-'returners', to Europe and the U.S. [after the destruction of the ISLAMIC State of Iraq and Syria.] ]

WWW search....
Yemeni scholar: “ISIS has come to implement Islam as it is, by the book, complete with slave girls, the rape”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

WWW search....
Denmark threatens to take away foster child of woman who is critical of Islam
By Robert Spencer on Apr 10, 2019

[ this is PC madness.
someone in Europe [with an Iranian background] who knows the truth about ISLAM, and speaks it,
is being persecuted by the state authorities in Europe, because she speaks an inconvenient truth ???

ISLAMIC law.
in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslems in local residence,
increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, that ISLAMIC law is being applied ['in process'] within European states,
often without reference to the enforcement of local in-nation laws. ]

WWW search....
Ireland allows police hijab to prevent Muslims from “becoming marginalised and turning to extremism”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 10, 2019

[ because every moslem living in the West is a 'moderate' moslem.
and they come here, to live with us, because, 'We want a better life, and to be safe.'
honest !!!! ]

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Alla is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....." Koran 48.29

n.b.
moslems living within Western nations are 'occasionaly'.... 'becoming marginalised and turning to extremism'

Q.
what influence    could possibly be marginalising moslems living in Europe, and turning these followers of ISLAM, to modalities of extremism ???

its a mystery to me too !!!

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 7:18pm

WWW search....
British citizens who fight against the Islamic State face prosecution and even prison
By Robert Spencer on Apr 11, 2019
"Meanwhile, the May government has admitted that a “significant portion” of returned Islamic State jihadis free, as they are considered no longer to be a security concern."

[ !!!!!!!

ISLAMIC law.
in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslems in local residence,
increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, that ISLAMIC law is being applied ['in process'] within European states,
often without reference to the enforcement of local in-nation laws.

n.b.
ISLAMIC law, as a matter of 'right in law', gives more favourable judgements, to the followers of ISLAM.
100% true. ]

WWW search....
Despite acquittal, accused blasphemer Asia Bibi still remains trapped in Pakistan
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 11, 2019

[ Asia Bibi will not escape the murderous ISLAMIST mob in Pakistan.
she must die.
every true follower of ISLAM, desires this.

ISLAM is not peace, ISLAM is not tolerance.

ISLAM, is a murderous DEATH CULT. ]

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Indonesia: Muslim family targeted three churches for jihad suicide bombings
By Robert Spencer on Apr 11, 2019

[ 'Nothing to see here!''Move on, move on.' ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Kyrgyzstan: Muslims beat ex-Muslim almost to death for converting to Christianity
By Robert Spencer on Apr 11, 2019
"The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law."

[ every moslem living in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is 'slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.
the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too! ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 9:32pm

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Lawyers for Muslim convicted of jihad stabbing at Michigan airport claim he suffered discrimination
By Robert Spencer on Apr 12, 2019 05:00 pm
"The victim card keeps on getting played, even in the most preposterous of circumstances, such as in this case,...."

[ followers of ISLAM will do their malevolent work, and then, if they survive, given any opportunity, they will just 'game the system' inside Western nations.
every follower of ISLAM living inside a Western nation, is, a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, imo.
n.b. they, self-describe, as followers of ISLAM; it is the nature of the beast. ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

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Berlin: Muslims stab Christian homeless man while screaming about “your pig god”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 12, 2019
"....The persecution of Christians is widespread in many Muslim countries."

[ ISLAM is peace. - MSM"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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Nigeria: Muslim woman asks Sharia court for permission to divorce her husband, court orders her to pay him
By Robert Spencer on Apr 12, 2019
"Meanwhile, if Muslim men wish to divorce their wives, all they need do is tell her “You are divorced” three times, and the deed is done. [100% true] The inequality here is obvious, albeit nonetheless always denied by Islamic apologists."

another shameless ISLAMIC apologist ------ >
WWW search....
"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 14^th, 2019 at 10:20pm

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Austria: Massive brawl breaks out among Muslim migrants over differing opinions on Islamic law
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 13, 2019
"It is, or should be, common sense that the ills that are evident in Islamic states will be transported to the West via immigration. Over 12 million Muslims have been killed by Muslims since 1948, and fierce antagonism continues between Islamic sects."

[ moslem = = follower of ISLAM.
wherever in the world moslems go to settle, and to establish a community, moslems always bring ISLAM with them.
i.e. but, their version of ISLAM!
and, they also bring their ongoing religious disputes and conflicts [with other moslem religious groups] with them,
and will often continue those blood/death feuds, in their new host country.
...being a secular country where moslems came, often to claim sanctuary and safety!!!

but you will rarely see these [often violent] disputes and conflicts between moslem religious groups [in their host country] openly acknowledged by the local PC MSM.
and when internecine attacks do occur [within a host secular nation], involving 'warring' moslem religious groups,
it is not uncommon to see the MSM report such an attack, as being a suspected attack by [unknown] non-moslems, against moslems [sometimes, police investigations will later uncover another moslem was the actual culprit]!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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The Iranian Support for Al-Qaeda’s Jihad Terrorism
By Rami Dabbas on Apr 13, 2019 02:00 pm
"According to reports, the Islamic State (ISIS) still has as many as 30,000 members almost equally divided between Syria and Iraq. They are supported by al-Qaeda Islamic terrorists. Al-Qaeda has gained in strength in some places now, thanks to Iranian support."

[ n.b. the al-Qaeda terror network ARE Sunni moslems,
the Iranians ARE Shia moslems.
and there is an ongoing blood/death feud between Sunni moslems and Shia moslems.
BUT, we can often see, that moslems will ally with a mortal enemy, against a stronger and more hated enemy.
i.e.
"The enemy of my enemy, is my friend."
moslem hatred and violence, is an 'incestuous' hatred and violence. ]

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Sweden: 41 municipalities forced to take back Islamic State jihadis, taxpayers to pay for their social benefits
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 13, 2019
"41 out of 290 Swedish municipalities are expected to be forced to accommodate returning Islamic State members." Why? because "under Swedish law, they have Swedish passports and cannot be turned away. The returnees have the right to settle where they like and even claim social benefits."

this is ludicrous.
...when you consider, that if any of these Swedish taxpayers had happened, somehow, to have fallen into the hands of these Islamic State jihadis inside Syria or Iraq, everyone of them, would likely have been robbed, raped and enslaved or beheaded by their moslem captors.
moslem 'designs' upon their enemies within the Western nations, suffer only from 'impotence'.
...not so, within moslem majority jurisdictions !!
[e.g. do you remember recently, the two young Scandinavian women tourists, who were murdered by moslems in the mountains of Morocco ?? ]

these [moslems] are people who are members and followers of a philosophy which encourages them to rob, rape, enslave and murder, members of communities who do not believe as they [moslems] believe!
and Western governments are ignoring these facts, and allowing these wanna-be homicidal maniacs to live among us, in our nations and in our communities! ]

another related example [moslem terrorist given 'sanctuary' in USA]....
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Muslim who killed Iraqi cop for the Islamic State admitted into US as “refugee,” lived in California
By Robert Spencer on Apr 07, 2019 05:00 pm

Supporting evidences below....

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
01/05/2007

In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed:

"Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised:

"The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.

There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims.

Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-part-of-Islam.html

.

Quote:

Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents.

Only between Muslims and unbelievers.

And the life of an unbeliever has no value.

It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

this is an old link, but the article is kosher.

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 14^th, 2019 at 10:29pm

We are incessantly reminded by our PC politicians and by the PC MSM,
that ISLAM is a religion which teaches peace, harmony and tolerance among all of mankind.

LIES.

----- >

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European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"
by Raymond Ibrahim
April 14, 2019
"In Germany, four separate churches were vandalized and/or torched in March alone.
"In this country," PI-News, a German news site, explained, "there is a creeping war against everything that symbolizes Christianity: attacks on mountain-summit crosses, on sacred statues by the wayside, on churches... and recently also on cemeteries."
In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals.
In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the desecraters are then presented as suffering from mental health issues.
"Hardly anyone writes and speaks about the increasing attacks on Christian symbols.
There is an eloquent silence in both France and Germany about the scandal of the desecrations and the origin of the perpetrators....
Not a word, not even the slightest hint that could in anyway lead to the suspicion of migrants..."

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Apr 15^th, 2019 at 2:01pm

Suffering from mental health issues?

Of course they are, they are the highest grade brain dead muslims, who have totally succumbed to the values of the qur'an which urge this sort of thing.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 15^th, 2019 at 6:26pm

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Arizona: Muslim murders his wife and two daughters, says Allah told him to do it
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019 05:00 pm
"He said that the reason he shot these individuals is because in God’s eyes, it was all right for him to deal with someone in this manner..."

[ notwithstanding the insistent, whining, denials, to our face....
to every mosque attending moslem, ISLAMIC law 'has superiority', over the 'law-of-the-land', in any secular state.
ALWAYS.
and ISLAMIC law, makes lawful the killing of a spouse or child, if the parent/husband deems they have offended the strictures of ISLAMIC law.
100% true.

moslems bring their own LAWLESSNESS [ISLAM] with them, to every new host nation.

can you see how much more, we have all been 'culturally enriched', by the 'culture' of our moslem communities ?
/sarc off ]

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"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the Saudi police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."

see...
marriage
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338868086/4#4

Quote:

....ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren].

[An ISLAMIC source is cited below]....

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UK: Muslim parents suffocated daughter with a plastic bag, dumped her body in river, for being too “Westernized”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019
"Welcome to the new, multicultural Britain!"

[ as above, previous item ]

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New York: Muslim cleric says non-Muslims “are not your friends, and are not allowed to be treated as your friends”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019

[ but that is not what your moslem 'friend' will tell you to your face.

every moslem living in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is 'slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.
the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too! ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

WWW search....
we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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International Union of Muslim Scholars urges imams to preach violent jihad against Israel, quotes genocidal hadith
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

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France: Muslim migrant held for extensive damage to centuries-old Paris church
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019
"There has been a wave of vandalism of churches all over France recently."

[ every moslem living in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is 'slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.
the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too! ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by polite_gandalf on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:04pm

moses wrote on Apr 15^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

Suffering from mental health issues?

Of course they are, they are the highest grade brain dead muslims, who have totally succumbed to the values of the qur'an which urge this sort of thing.

no moses, they suffer mental health issues because we are all retarded due to inbreeding - remember?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by moses on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:03pm

Medical evidence shows that one of the negative consequences of inbreeding is a 100 percent increase in the risk of stillbirths.

One study comparing Norwegians and Pakistanis shows the risk that the child dies during labor increases by 50 percent.

The risk of death due to autosomal recessive disorders -- e.g., cystic fibrosis and spinal muscular atrophy -- is 18 times higher.

Risk of death due to malformations is 10 times higher.

Mental health is also at risk: the probability of depression is higher in communities where consanguine marriages are also high.

The closer the blood relative, the higher the risk of mental and physical retardation and schizophrenic illness.

And then there are the findings on intelligence. Research shows that if one’s parents are cousins, intelligence goes down 10-16 IQ points.

The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 (criterion for being "retarded") increases 400 percent among children from cousin marriages.

An academic paper published in the Indian National Science Academy found that “the onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, sound seizures, oral expression and hand-grasping are significantly delayed among the new-born inbred babies."

Another study found that Indian Muslim school boys whose parents were first cousins tested significantly lower than boys whose parents were unrelated in a non-verbal test on intelligence.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by freediver on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:49pm

Gandalf once demanded proof from me that inbreeding affects intelligence.

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 7:22pm

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Muslim “researcher”: Muslims will bring Islam to “hateful infidels” by “a huge Muslim army that will wage jihad”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 15, 2019

[ rubbish !
clearly this moslem researcher, doesn't know ISLAM at all.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

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France: Muslim girl “in search of love” plotted to blow up car packed with gas canisters near Notre Dame cathedral
By Robert Spencer on Apr 15, 2019
"UPDATE: This is not a post about the fire at Notre Dame. I scheduled this post hours ago, long before I knew of the fire."

[ Paris, its the city of luuurv.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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German intelligence top dog says 2,240 jihadis now in Germany, Islamic State “can launch an attack anytime”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 15, 2019

[ but surely that can't be correct Angela ?
....didn't you welcome these moslems into Germany, and give them sanctuary, just 3 years ago ?

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

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ISIS bride who says she misunderstood Islam and wants to return to UK was part of rifle-toting morality police
By Robert Spencer on Apr 15, 2019 09:00 am
"Shamima Begum claims..... But now we learn that she...."

previously....
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Terrorists Promoted, Victims Ignored
March 25, 2019
"...Shamima Begum [wanna-be-'returner' to UK] said that she had been fully aware of the beheadings and other atrocities committed by ISIS before going to Syria.

"I knew about those things and I was okay with it," she said.

"Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically, that is all allowed."

When asked whether she had questioned any of that, Begum replied, "No, not at all."

[ again, Where are the Media, UN, 'Human Rights' Groups? ....reporting on Shamima Begum's views towards disbelievers ??? ]

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Germany: Non-Muslim parents fined for not sending son on school trip to mosque
By Robert Spencer on Apr 15, 2019

[ ISLAMIC law.
in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslems in local residence,
increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, that ISLAMIC law is being applied ['in process'] within European states,
often without reference to the enforcement of local in-nation laws.
n.b.
ISLAMIC law, attending the mosque for prayers, is mandatory for believers, on pain of death - cited by Mohammed himself !
100% true. ]

WWW search....
...[praising the Saudi practice of lawfully killing people who refuse to attend mosque to pray...] "....bring the punishment on you, you will be killed, and nobody will pray on you."[6]

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Karnal on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 11:42am

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

Gandalf once demanded proof from me that inbreeding affects intelligence.

Freediver once declared Arab interbreeding with the Negroid subspecies as the cause of Islamic retardation to be a plausible theory.

You've got the inbreeding map, FD. Do you have the one that shows Muslims squatting down to pee and playing with their dicks afterwards?

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 7:18pm

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UK: Muslim migrant, convicted rapist, back on streets after plane passengers stopped his deportation
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019

[ this Somali man did nothing unlawful [ISLAMIC law].
this Somali man did not rape a moslem woman!
and moslems are taught, from their mothers knee, to regard Allah's law, ISLAMIC law, as being superior to all other laws.
100% true.

when LEFTISTS/Humanists and their ilk [in our community], routinely, refuse to condemn 'bad behaviour' [lawbreaking behaviour] by persons who are from minority communities.
and when those who complain, are labelled, 'racist', by LEFTISTS/Humanists and sometimes by the MSM, then we are on a slippery slope to seeing 'sanctioned LAWLESSNESS' all around us.
when some are 'excused' from obeying the laws of the land, we are encouraging the spread of LAWLESSNESS, in the whole land.
Q. do you want that ?
do you want to live in a land, where it isn't safe for your wife or your daughter to walk alone, on a street, in the middle of the day ?
because, countries like that, do exist.
and we are 'importing' migrants by the 10,000's, from such countries, so that they can live among us. ]

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Belgium: Young man converts to Islam, says goodbye to his grandmother, plots jihad massacre
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019
"Yet another in a long line of converts to Islam who have somehow gotten the idea that their new religion commands them to commit treason and mass murder. Authorities have never shown any interest in studying this phenomenon, anywhere in the West."

[ any HUMAN BEING who becomes enthralled by ISLAM and its precepts and strictures, is going to believe that murdering 'some people' [disbelievers] is lawful and virtuous.
why so ?

because ISLAM inculcates the idea, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
sub-humans

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UK: Muslim threatened to blow up Prince Harry/Meghan Markle wedding, found mentally unfit to stand trial, is at home
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019
"....The defendant is at home on unconditional bail and awaits sentencing."

[ any HUMAN BEING who has become enthralled, by ISLAM, is going to 'have mental issues'.
why so ?
because ISLAM inculcates the idea, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
sub-humans

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Islamic State jihadis cheer destruction of Notre Dame cathedral as “retribution and punishment”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019

[ moslems are no friends of Christians.
though when living here in the West, moslems will rarely admit to the hatred and enmity that they hold towards Christians.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM
"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;
"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

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South Carolina: Muslims break church windows, paint “Submit to God Thru Islam” on wall
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019

[ as above, previous item ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 9:11pm

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UK: “Devout Muslim” screaming “Allahu akbar” stabs man 6 times in neck, is getting treatment at psychiatric hospital
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019

[ are your noticing a trend here ?

any HUMAN BEING who becomes enthralled by ISLAM and its precepts and strictures, is going to believe that murdering 'some people' [disbelievers] is lawful and virtuous.
why so ?

because ISLAM inculcates the idea, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
sub-humans

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Notre Dame fire: No workers were in the cathedral, no heat sources were near the timber frame
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019
"Was it arson? Maybe. Would French authorities admit the fact if it were?"

previously....
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France: Muslim migrant held for extensive damage to centuries-old Paris church
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019
"There has been a wave of vandalism of churches all over France recently."

previously....
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European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"
by Raymond Ibrahim
April 14, 2019

previously....
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France: An average of three churches are attacked every day
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019
"...Christians are among “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) "

previously....
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California Muslim writes: “I will assassinate your pastor in the name of Allah. I will burn down Christian churches”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019

[ are your noticing a trend here ? ]

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Canada: Muslim politician says Notre Dame fire was divine retribution
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019

[ as above, previous item ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

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http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 9:24pm

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Denmark: Muslims riot, attack police with missiles, burn garbage cans and bikes because man throws Qur’an in the air
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 17, 2019

[ disrespect of the Koran, is disrespect of ISLAM, Allah's perfect religion.
and you infidels [living in your native lands] need to understand that!

in Europe today, with a large 'contingent' of moslem cadres in residence there, it is becoming increasingly more difficult for anyone to 'routinely' interrogate or indeed scrutinise or criticise ISLAM [in Europe],
for fear of 'offending' members of the local moslem community.

and we see moslems in the West, increasingly, are now able to 'cajole' many non-moslems [living within their own native land], into showing 'respect' for ISLAMIC law, out of fear of intimidation, and threats of violence, from local moslems!

and increasingly, we see a 'default' situation, where ISLAMIC law, and ISLAMIC blasphemy laws are being applied ['in process'] within European states. !!!!!

ISLAMIC law prohibits criticism or blasphemy against Allah's perfect religion,
and blasphemy against Allah's perfect religion is a capital crime in ISLAMIC law jurisdictions.
this is why ISLAMIC law jurisdictions, are NOT tolerant places, and not places where any divergent or diverse views can safely be, openly expressed.
within many ISLAMIC law jurisdictions, those merely accused of blasphemy, against Allah's perfect religion, have commonly and routinely been murdered, 'in the street', by a mob of angry moslems.
100% true. ]

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

WWW search....
rage boy, image

......Shakeel Ahmad Bhat now has become almost an online media celebrity.
......he's famous. ....and that, is a good thing.
......there is nothing amiss, with expressing rage, against infidels, who offend you and your religion.

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

WWW search....
CAIR official: “i wish hitler was alive to bugger up the jewish ppl and add more to the 6 million he killed”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019

[ CAIR is the PRIMARY and MAIN organisation, which represents the interests of [speaks for], the followers of ISLAM, in North America.

n.b.
the Jewish people are the principle targets of 'expressed' moslem hatred, at this time.

WWW search.... "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."
"Such graffiti can sometimes be found in Muslim neighborhoods in the Middle East."

i.e. first the little satan, then the great satan. ]

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

WWW search....
doctrine, muslims believe that judgement day will not come till they fight / kill the Jews

WWW search....
muslims, killing all jewish people, will bring about judgement day

WWW search....
Houston: Imam says "Judgment Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims will kill the Jews

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 19^th, 2019 at 5:43pm

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NBC condemns questions about Notre Dame fire being jihad arson as “Islamophobic conspiracy theories”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 18, 2019

[ it couldn't be jihad arson!
no way!
moslems just wouldn't do that!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

previously....
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Notre Dame fire: No workers were in the cathedral, no heat sources were near the timber frame
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019
"Was it arson? Maybe. Would French authorities admit the fact if it were?"

previously....
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France: Muslim migrant held for extensive damage to centuries-old Paris church
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019
"There has been a wave of vandalism of churches all over France recently."

previously....
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European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"
by Raymond Ibrahim
April 14, 2019

previously....
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France: An average of three churches are attacked every day
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019
"...Christians are among “the most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) "

previously....
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California Muslim writes: “I will assassinate your pastor in the name of Allah. I will burn down Christian churches”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 31, 2019

previously....
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Canada: Muslim politician says Notre Dame fire was divine retribution
By Robert Spencer on Apr 17, 2019

[ are your noticing a trend here ?
the masters of our news, the MSM, just cannot see it. ]

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Hugh Fitzgerald: The Fire at Notre-Dame and Muslim Schadenfreude (Part One)
By Hugh Fitzgerald on Apr 18, 2019
"Before the devastating fire at Notre-Dame broke out, there had been two months of attacks on French churches all around France, very few of which were reported on in the media outside France, and some of which hardly received sufficient coverage inside the country. There was a fire set at St. Sulpice, the second-largest church in...."

[ as above, previous item ]

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Muslims who claimed to be above Australian law fined by non-Muslim judge who assures them he follows Qur’an
By Robert Spencer on Apr 18, 2019
" “The Holy Koran considers justice a supreme virtue, and I assure the defendants that this court pursues that virtue in every case it deals with, just as the Holy Koran requires of its adherents,” Justice Terence Sheahan told Mustapha and Diaa Kara-Ali.....he engaged in this shameless Islamopandering, attempting to convince them that the Qur’an teaches what he says it does, not what they say it does."

[ LOL.
we Aussies! ....ya gotta love us! haha
i'm not sure about some of our PC judges though! ]

Psalms 2:10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Wisdom...
Proverbs 8:16
By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

The judges of the earth rule, through [lawful] authority.

Q.
But do PC judges have, wisdom ?

Not unless they love TRUTH.

WWW search....
London: Young Ahmadis teach in the streets that Islam is a religion of peace
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 18, 2019

Q's.
do Ahmadis worship a 'different' Allah ?
do Ahmadis read a 'different' inerrant Koran ?
do Ahmadis revere a 'different' Mohammed ?

gandalf does. [wink to gandalf] ....polite_Yadda

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." - DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 20^th, 2019 at 6:21pm

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Iran: Grand Ayatollah says Allah has given the worldwide Muslim community “dignity as a result of jihad”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 19, 2019

[ n.b.
the message of THE Grand Ayatollah Hoseyn Nouri Hamadani;
Moslems gain 'dignity', through waging jihad against infidels.

i.e.
'How are the disbelievers going to have respect for you, and for your religion,
...UNLESS YOU MAKE THE DISBELIEVERS, HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU, AND FOR YOUR RELIGION !'

but really, ISLAM promotes peace, and tolerance of others.
honest !!!! ]

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Pakistan: Christian girl abducted, forced into Islamic marriage, beaten, tortured and raped
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 19, 2019

[ they respect us!
honest !!!! .....they do! ]

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Michigan: Muslim who slashed cop’s throat while screaming “Allahu akbar” says he regretted not killing more people
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

[ but really, ISLAM promotes peace, and tolerance of others.
honest !!!! ]

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The Islamic State claims first jihad massacre in Democratic Republic of Congo, murdering 18 soldiers
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

[ but really, ISLAM promotes peace, and tolerance of others.
honest !!!! ]

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Netherlands: Muslim councilor wants halal beach: “Muslims feel uncomfortable with scantily clad, ugly people”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

[ they seek; a separate nation, within a host nation.
then once they achieve that, and with an increase in population....
there will be more 'reasonable' demands. ]

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Quebec: Muslim politician who claimed Notre Dame fire was wrath of Allah apologizes and plays the victim
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

[ oh! she is so, so, sorry.
'What came over me, to say such a thing!'
honest !!!!

'....AND BY THE WAY, ....STOP CRITICISING ME! ....I'M AN INNOCENT MOSLEM!' ]

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Spain: Son of imam of Seville’s most important mosque plotted jihad massacre at Holy Week observances
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

[ surely not!
the son of an imam, misunderstands ISLAM ?
plots jihad massacre, against disbelievers, during their holy week ?

how can this be!

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 21^st, 2019 at 6:42pm

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Nigeria: Muslims massacre 17 Christians after baby dedication, including the child’s mother
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019
"These incidents are really happening, and they’re happening more and more frequently. In the West, meanwhile, those who speak about them are vilified as “Islamophobes” and steadily defamed, deplatformed, and silenced. Silencing news of such incidents, however, will not prevent them from happening, even, eventually, in the U.S."

[ God damn to HELL, the PC LEFTISTS, the PC lesbians, and the PC feminists, et al, who [with their PC silences] are facilitating such atrocities.

'THEY HATE US....
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MOSLEMS,
THEY HATE US, BECAUSE WE WERE, OR ARE CHRISTIANS.' ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;
"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

WWW search....
Jihad leader on Notre Dame: “The cross was broken, a sign of good omens. We rejoice over anything that hurts them.”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

'THEY HATE US....
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MOSLEMS,
THEY HATE US, BECAUSE WE WERE, OR ARE CHRISTIANS.' ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;
"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

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French stonemason at Notre Dame tells of working with Muslims “who hate us” and “pray on the site”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

[ as above, previous item ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 21^st, 2019 at 6:47pm

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Muslim who claims to be above Australian law says “Our religion is prime, cross belongs in the dustbin of history”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019
"What do you think the chances are that Mustapha Kara-Ali will become a loyal, productive, patriotic member of Australian society?"

[ we can help these people, we can give them a sanctuary, a place of safety.
AND WE DID.
but once they get over their gratitude, they will revert to type.
moslem. ...follower of ISLAM.

'THEY HATE US....
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MOSLEMS,
THEY HATE US, BECAUSE WE WERE, OR ARE CHRISTIANS.' ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;
"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

Scripture....
Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

Psalms 35:20
For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land.

Psalms 120:6
My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.
7 I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

Isaiah 26:10
Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.

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Islamophobia: Pakistan to fence border with Iran to strengthen security and prevent terror attacks
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019
"There are security barriers all over the world. There are only two places where they cannot be constructed, because they would be immoral and evil: on the US/Mexico border, and in Judea and Samaria (aka the West Bank)...."

[ LOL. nice kicker Robert. ]

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Canada: Muslim deemed “high risk to public safety” to be released, must “reach out” to an imam
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

[ that'll work! LOL !! ]

previously....
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Spain: Son of imam of Seville’s most important mosque plotted jihad massacre at Holy Week observances
By Robert Spencer on Apr 19, 2019

previously....
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Houston: Imam says "Judgment Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims will kill the Jews

previously....
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International Union of Muslim Scholars urges imams to preach violent jihad against Israel, quotes genocidal hadith
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019

previously....
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YouTube removes video of imam in Canada preaching about gays to “stone these people to death”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

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Muslim researcher: “Islam does not allow the signing of peace agreements with the Jews”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

[ what utter rubbish!!!
its those damned Zionists who are the obstacle to peace!
they have weapons, and an army!
everyone knows that. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 22^nd, 2019 at 7:09pm

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Sri Lanka: Archbishop of Colombo says “we never expected such a thing to happen and especially on Easter Sunday”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"He never expected such a thing to happen? But Sri Lanka’s police chief Pujuth Jayasundara, according to AFP, “issued an intelligence alert to top officers 10 days ago, warning that suicide bombers planned to hit ‘prominent churches.’ "

[ !!! ]

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Former resident says of Islamic State: “Of course there were beheadings. It’s based on the Quran.”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"....Yet it is still taken for granted among the political and media elites in the West that the Islamic State had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. Those who dissent are defamed, deplatformed, and silenced...."

previously....
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Yemeni scholar: “ISIS has come to implement Islam as it is, by the book, complete with slave girls, the rape”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

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UK’s May condemns “acts of violence against churches and hotels in Sri Lanka”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
".....Theresa May epitomizes the cowardice and pusillanimity of modern Western leaders. And that is why her country, and other nations of the West, are in such a precarious state."

[ WHAT A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE, LYING, CRAVEN WOMAN.
UK PM Theresa May.

Both Bill Shorten and Scott Morrison, 'retail politicians', share many of her traits, imo. ]

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Germany: Muslim screaming “Allahu akbar” throws firecracker in church during Easter mass, 24 injured in panic
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Apostle said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 22^nd, 2019 at 7:23pm

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Sri Lanka: Jihad murderer Mohamed Azzam Mohamed blew himself up in busy Easter Sunday hotel buffet line
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"He wanted to maximize the carnage; his god promised Paradise for those who “kill and are killed” for him (Qur’an 9:111), so he might have thought he could increase the reward he would receive by killing as many people as possible."

[ every follower of ISLAM,    is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, imo.

knowing what ISLAM prescribes and requires of its followers [stated within its own foundational religious texts], how could any innocent person choose, to remain a follower of such a vicious and murderous philosophy ? ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

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Sri Lanka: One jihad mass murderer was well-known Muslim preacher who said “Allah created this land for Muslims”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"....Zahran Hashim, who has been identified as one of the jihad mass murderers who killed over 200 people this morning, including Christians in churches for Easter Sunday."

[ Q. knowing what many of us have come to know about ISLAM [deceitful 'approachment', vicious, violent, and an agenda dedicated to absolute ISLAMIC supremacism, and hostile to every 'influence' which is non-ISLAM],
why is it that the political LEFTISTS, around the world, are still always supportive, of moslem communities, and are often the apologists for them, after moslem wrongdoing ?

A. filthy, snaky, virtue signalling. ]

previously....
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Australia: Top lawyers, judges and provincial Supreme Court justices go to mosque to show solidarity with Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

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Islamic State says Sri Lanka jihad massacres were revenge for attacks on mosques and Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019

[ ....even though ISLAMIC doctrines sanction [make lawful] and encourage, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true.

and yet, moslems, wherever they are found, are still want to portray themselves as innocent victims, who are constantly persecuted and oppressed. ]

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ISIS Muslimas tell female reporter: “If you became Muslim and cover like us, you would not be killed”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"....The hijab is a free choice, insist Linda Sarsour, Ilhan Omar, and Western non-Muslim feminists."

[ as above, previous item ]

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India intelligence official on Sri Lanka: target was clearly Catholics; Islamic State active in Sri Lanka since 2016
By Robert Spencer on Apr 21, 2019
"The denial and obfuscation regarding the jihad threat is certain to continue;
the Sri Lanka jihad massacres remind us that it has a human cost."

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 9:04pm

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UK: “Crisis analyst” says Sri Lanka jihad massacres could lead to violence against Muslims
By Robert Spencer on Apr 22, 2019

[ do ya think ???

Q. would such 'analysis' make followers of ISLAM, victims of 'persecution' ?

....rather than; a group of people who choose to be the supporters and followers of a murderous death cult,
which teaches its followers, that it is lawful for them,
to murder those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe ? ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

Robert Spencer in FrontPage: The Sri Lanka Jihad Massacre and the Decline of the West
By Robert Spencer on Apr 22, 2019
"How many times is the charade of denial going to play out?"

[ as above, previous item ]

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Muslim prof: “Israelites are our enemies until the Day of Judgment. Two state solution? What are you talking about?”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 22, 2019

previously....
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Houston: Imam says "Judgment Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims will kill the Jews

previously....
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International Union of Muslim Scholars urges imams to preach violent jihad against Israel, quotes genocidal hadith
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019

previously....
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Muslim researcher: “Islam does not allow the signing of peace agreements with the Jews”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

[ what utter rubbish!!!
its those damned Zionists who are the obstacle to peace!
they have weapons, and an army!
everyone knows that. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Germany: Muslim screaming “Allahu akbar” who threw stones at Christians in church is mentally ill, not terrorist
By Robert Spencer on Apr 22, 2019

previously....
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Muslim who stabbed man, screamed “I’m going to kill you, Allah Allah” pleads not guilty on grounds of mental illness
By Robert Spencer on Feb 08, 2019

[this is a legal defence, presented/claimed by so many Jihadi attackers in the West. [LIGHTER SENTENCING!] ]

previously....
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UK: Muslim threatened to blow up Prince Harry/Meghan Markle wedding, found mentally unfit to stand trial, is at home
By Robert Spencer on Apr 16, 2019
"....The defendant is at home on unconditional bail and awaits sentencing."

[ any HUMAN BEING who has become enthralled, by ISLAM, is going to 'have mental issues'.
why so ?
because ISLAM inculcates the idea, in those who become enthralled by it, that it is lawful to murder people, if they are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war"

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
disbelievers = = [lawfully] sub-humans

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 5:53pm

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Sri Lanka considers burqa ban following Easter jihad bombings
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 24, 2019

[ yeah, that'll work.
a burqa ban,    ...that'll stop violent ISLAMIC jihadis from attempting to kill people who they hate [because they do not believe what they [moslems] believe]. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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After Sri Lanka, Brief History of “Allahu Akbar” Attacks on Churches
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 24, 2019

[ does anyone care ?    ....when Jihadis murder Christians and other non-moslems, does anyone care ?
moslems didn't die there [in those Sri Lanka churches].    .....except the moslem bombers/killers.
lets mourn for the dead moslem bombers/killers.

really.
this apathy at the shocking and vicious and cruel murders of so many non-moslems in Sri Lanka, is shocking.
apathy, because no real remedial actions will be undertaken - anywhere in the world. ]

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

WWW search....
Muslim Couple Gets 7 Years in Prison in Texas Child Slavery Case
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 24, 2019

[ why so ?
they didn't break any law.
not ISLAMIC law.

Q.
do you really think that followers of ISLAM have any [sincere] respect for the law of the land, within any secular nation ?
think again!

'Allegiance, belongs only to Allah, and to Allah's law.'

....you will understand that, if you understand the thrall which ISLAM has, upon its followers. ]

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 5:58pm

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D.C. Muslims Want Restaurants Open at 4 AM for Ramadan
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 25, 2019

[ 'Our religion ISLAM is superior to any other religion, and we moslems are the superior people.
And it is only fair, to us moslems, that all of you people, in our host nations must adapt your societies, to serve OUR needs.'
truly! this is how many moslems regard us.
this regard, toward the infidel, is embedded in their ISLAMIC influenced psyche.
truly!

LOOK AT HOW [LOCAL] MINORITIES ARE TREATED, within any moslem majority country!

e.g. in Egypt, one of the few vocations allowed to local Christians, is collecting and 'recycling' garbage. ]

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Macron says Notre Dame should be rebuilt in line with diversity; architect suggests an Islamic minaret be included
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 25, 2019

[ moslems in France, would love this!!
moslems in France, would regard this as an 'appropriate' 'signal', from the French people, indicating acknowledgment of French cultural subservience, towards a superior ISLAM. ]

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France: Highest court rejects demands of Islamic State brides and children to be allowed to return
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 25, 2019

[ good.
let them apply to Saudi Arabia for asylum.
n.b. they are practicing moslems. ]

Saudi Arabia is a rich nation.
And look how BIG a country, Saudi Arabia is....

IMAGE.....
http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gif

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Sultan of Brunei requests “tolerance” from EU leaders for his implementation of Sharia stoning of gays
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 25, 2019

[ LOL !!!!

yes!!! yes!!! yes!!!
why can't you INTOLERANT so, so, 'liberal' infidels, just be more accepting of our ISLAMIC law !

it won't hurt.

honest!! ]

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

WWW search....
What Makes a Jihadi?
By Mateen Elass on Apr 25, 2019
"Secular Western analysts of Islamic militancy typically miss the boat when seeking the root causes spurring Muslims to engage in violent jihad.
Since the analysts themselves have no galvanizing religious faith upon which they build their lives,
they can’t imagine that religious faith could be a serious motivator for anyone else...."

[ it could be. ]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Hamlet, William Shakespeare

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:11pm

WWW search....
Sri Lanka: Muslim preacher who masterminded Easter jihad massacre preached that idolaters “need to be slaughtered”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 26, 2019

[ yep, as per the precepts of mainstream ISLAM, in 'addressing' the deserved fate, of those who reject ISLAM.

item cited here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1556325113/0#0 ]

WWW search....
France: Macron makes a U-turn, vows an “intractable fight against political Islam”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 26, 2019

[ coz, in recent years, Emmanuel Macron has been so resolute, in championing the right of the European citizen to speak the truth about ISLAM.
/sarc off

'Liberté, egalite, fraternite', ala, Emmanuel Macron ? ]

e.g.
recently....
"Macron says those convicted of “hate speech” should be banned from all social media for life"

cited here....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1549926994/27#27

WWW search....
Germany: “Asylum-seekers” assault passersby out of “boredom,” prosecutors say origin of attackers has “no bearing”
By Vijeta Uniyal on Apr 26, 2019
"A group of four Afghan and Iranian refugees were charged with assaulting 21 people in the Bavarian town of Amberg..."

[ all Europe thanks you Angela.
and Papa Francis, will nominate you for sainthood, for your 'good works'.
all we need now, are the recording of two miracles. ]

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

WWW search....
Sri Lanka: Cardinal believes Muslim envoys who assure him that the jihad bombings had “no connection to Islam”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 26, 2019

[ Q. in the face of the high praise, which the religion of ISLAM always receives in the worlds MSM,
AND, from the Vatican,
would the Sri Lankan Cardinal have been brave enough to [publicly] offer any contradictory opinion ? ]

1 John 4:1 , John 8:44 "and abode not in the truth"

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

WWW search....
Italy: Muslim migrant stabs in the throat a man wearing a crucifix
By Robert Spencer on Apr 26, 2019

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 5:33pm

WWW search....
Egypt: Church Closed after Muslim mob beats up priest, scares 200 Sunday school children onlookers
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 27, 2019
"Another story that should have wider coverage in the mainstream media but does not..."

[ moslems [n.b. in a moslem majority jurisdiction], just doing as their perfect religion commands them to do.
nothing un-lawful in that.

if moslems were the majority in Australia, non-moslem Australians would often suffer, a similar or, the same treatment.
.....especially you LBGTQXYZ people.

ISLAM's religious precepts, incite religious bigotry, and religious violence, and murder.
try and get a person who self-declares as a moslem, to admit to that truth! they will not. ]

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"[Jews and the Christians...] Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

just the one, today.

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 29^th, 2019 at 6:54pm

WWW search....
Australia: Jihad-linked group teaches rejection of national anthem, diversity and tolerance in conference
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 28, 2019
"A community hall conference held in Sydney, Australia by Hizb ut-Tahrir, a well known jihadist organization which has been “campaigning for Sharia law”, discouraged children from singing the national anthem and refused to condemn the Islamic State."

[ 'Nothing to see here!'
'Move on, move on.'

Here we have, 'Aussie' moslems....
Brazenly, declaring their contempt for 1/ Australia and 2/ for other Australians!

And, why would these 'Aussie' moslems have-a-care, about openly expressing such attitudes and beliefs ??!!

When they and ISLAM are 'PROTECTED', ....by persons who have authority, in the highest tier of the Australian government!!

.....isn't that right, Bill Shorten and Scott Morrison ? ]

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! ~~Flying pigs!~~, 'Aussie' moslems!, sh!tting on THE PEOPLE and the Parliament of Australia!"
....while Australia's Prime Minister Scott Morrison, lick's the ars es of Australian moslem leaders.

WWW search....
Sweden Can’t Deport Pro-ISIS Imam Because Iraq Would Execute Him
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 28, 2019
"European opposition to the death penalty leads to peculiar paradoxes. Can a European country deport a pro-death penalty cleric, who supports killing infidels, gay people, and just about anybody else, to Iraq, which has a death penalty and might employ it on him? Is that poetic justice or a human rights violation?"

[ What should Western governments do with such people ? ]

Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Deuteronomy 19:19
Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

Do what is right, ...it isn't rocket science.

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Sri Lanka Muslim Majority Town Behind Christian Massacre Had Islamic Violence Dating Back to 2004
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 28, 2019
"The familiar media narrative when reporting on serial killers is that, “No one suspected a thing”. When it comes to Islamic terrorists, it’s also usually, “No one suspected a thing”."

[ Really ?!!I'm just shocked by these events this!!!
/sarc off ]

"The local Sri Lankan moslem community knew of the threats issued by the Sri Lankan church bombers,
who were members of their own Sri Lankan moslem community.
And they had heard these threats of violence being issued, time, and time again, for years."
cited here.... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1556325113/0#0

While the worldwide MSM and Western governments, continue 'to look the other way'.

WWW search....
Italy: Salvini proposes security services do more to monitor Islamic cultural centers
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 28, 2019

[ ISLAM-O-PHOBE!!!

No!
Really it is well past time, that Western governments took seriously, the existential threat, which ISLAM poses today, to 'tolerant', non-ISLAMIC jurisdictions! ]

WWW search....
Sri Lanka: authorities seek prominent chief Islamic cleric who justified Easter church bombings in internet broadcast
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 28, 2019
"Authorities in Sri Lanka are searching for a Chief Islamic Cleric “of Vavuniya and Chettikulam divisional mosques” who released an internet video “justifying the Easter bomb attacks”. The cleric reportedly “cited an example from the life of Muhammad to justify the attack”. "

[ Really ?!!I just can't believe this!!!
/sarc off ]

ISLAM is peace. - MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - MSM

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 29^th, 2019 at 9:30pm

In a previous post here, i stated....

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551516909/170#170

Quote:

...."Oh look! ~~Flying pigs!~~, 'Aussie' moslems!, sh!tting on THE PEOPLE and the Parliament of Australia!"
....while Australia's Prime Minister Scott Morrison, lick's the ars es of Australian moslem leaders.

PROPOSITION;
Some will accuse me of being unnecessarily disrespectful to Scott Morrison, Australia's Prime Minister.

In answer to such a charge against me;

What i find grossly 'disrespectful', towards all Australians, is that;
Although it is easy to prove, to any reasonable man, that ISLAM's religious and cultural precepts, incite religious bigotry, religious violence, hatred and murder, towards those who do not believe as moslems believe,
it could be argued, that it is the ongoing criminal negligence of [past and present] Australian Prime Minister's, that actually ~~has allowed~~ has facilitated, moslems in Australia, in their murder of many Australians.

And it would seem that those 'regular' incidents of murders of Australians, by the followers of ISLAM living in Australia, have occurred,
i would argue, because of the collective refusal of successive PM's to look at and to examine, evidences of the type of precepts and laws which ISLAM, as a religion and culture, promotes and encourages.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1555722235/0#0

Quote:

QUESTION - PROBELM;
How can we [lawfully] bring PC politicians [many politicians in Europe and within other Western nations] 'to account',
for their criminal negligence, vis a vis their tolerance and denial, of the criminal intent of ISLAMISTS towards us, and their facilitating large numbers of members of this death cult entering our nations ?

As though no one in government [in this information age], can have any knowledge of the murderous doctrines which mainstream ISLAM now promotes within the nations of the non-moslem world, towards non-moslems.

Australia: Jihad-linked group teaches rejection of national anthem, diversity and tolerance in conference
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 28, 2019
that item, cited here http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1556527179/0#0

.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8

Quote:

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 29^th, 2019 at 10:09pm

n.b.
Turkey is a moslem majority jurisdiction, whose government, which is led by Turkey’s Islamist President Recep Tayyip Erdogan,
does not countenance the public expression of any worldview which does not align precisely with its own!

Quote:

Turkish 'Justice': Life in Prison for Journalists; Leniency for ISIS Terrorist

by Uzay Bulut • April 29, 2019

"The court decision condemning journalists to aggravated life in prison for their work, without presenting substantial proof of their involvement in the coup attempt or ensuring a fair trial, critically threatens journalism and with it the remnants of freedom of expression and media freedom in Turkey."
- David Kaye, United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Promotion and Protection of the Right to Freedom of Opinion and Expression.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14137/turkish-prison-for-journalists

These journalists inside Turkey are very fortunate, imo, that the world community is 'looking on' at what is happening inside Turkey.

Because, imo, if the world community were totally unaware of what was happening inside Turkey, such people as these would simply be 'disappeared' by this ISLAMIST regime.

.

This is type of punishment which ISLAM and ISLAMIC law calls for, for those who disrespect [and seek to undermine] the authority of the state.

---------- >

"The punishment of those who......strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world..."
Koran 5.33

"Truly, if the Hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who stir up sedition in the City....whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)."
Koran 33.60,61

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 6:14pm

IMAGE....

"ISLAMIC law = = A better society." ...honest!
[coming out of an ISLAMIC conference in Sydney.]

----- >

WWW search....
Sydney Islamic Activists: If You Oppose Chopping Off Hands, You’re Intolerant
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 29, 2019

[ surely this a misprint. right ???

ah, what he mean's is, if you oppose the imposition of ISLAMIC law [in Australia],
then YOU, are an intolerant ISLAM-O-PHOBE!!!
i.e. YOU, are intolerant, of what ISLAM brings to you.

do you understand now ?

'tolerance', is all in the eye of the ISLAMIC beholder! ]

WWW search....
Bosch Fawstin: No More Misnomers: We Need to Stop Playing Name Games with Islam
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 29, 2019
".....Western intellectuals and commentators refer to the enemy’s ideology as:
“Islamic Fundamentalism,”
“Islamic Totalitarianism,”
“Islamic Extremism,”
“Islamofascism,”
“Political Islam,”
“Militant Islam,”
“Bin Ladenism,”
“Islamonazism,”
“Radical Islam,”
“Islamism”, etc."

[ true.
that which hates us, that which seeks to assail and to destroy us....
it is just ISLAM, mainstream, ISLAM. period.

name the enemy. .....and then understand what and who, the enemy is. ]

WWW search....
Sri Lankan authorities raid headquarters of jihadist group suspected of Easter bombings, discover a second group
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 29, 2019

[ surprise, surprise. NOT.
ISLAM, devious, is thy name. ]

WWW search....
Jordanian boy hails jihadist murderers, pledges himself to be “martyred for Jerusalem”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 29, 2019

[ coz Jews are non-moslems too. !!! ]

previously....
WWW search....
Muslim prof: “Israelites are our enemies until the Day of Judgment. Two state solution? What are you talking about?”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 22, 2019

previously....
WWW search....
Houston: Imam says "Judgment Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims will kill the Jews

previously....
WWW search....
International Union of Muslim Scholars urges imams to preach violent jihad against Israel, quotes genocidal hadith
By Robert Spencer on Apr 14, 2019

previously....
WWW search....
Muslim researcher: “Islam does not allow the signing of peace agreements with the Jews”
By Robert Spencer on Apr 20, 2019

[ what utter rubbish!!!
its those damned Zionists who are the obstacle to peace!
they have weapons, and an army!
everyone knows that. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 4^th, 2019 at 10:35am

WWW search....
Australian ‘journalist planned to lure and behead Christians in revenge for NZ massacre
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 02, 2019
"...The article below makes no case that Waugh–who was arrested at his home in Griffith, Canberra, Australia–was a jihadist, however his modus operandi appears aligned with jihadists."

[ If it walks like a duck.
And if it quacks like a duck.
To all intents and purposes, ITS A DUCK! ]

[ any HUMAN BEING who becomes enthralled by ISLAM and its precepts and strictures, is going to believe that murdering 'some people' [disbelievers] is both lawful and virtuous.
why so ?

because ISLAM inculcates the idea [in the psyche of those who become enthralled by it], that it is lawful to murder people who are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [the house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war" ...see, Koran 2.98, above

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
disbelievers = = [lawfully] sub-humans

WWW search....
“I Was Curious About Jihad”: Pakistani Immigrant Arrested in US Airport
By Daniel Greenfield on May 02, 2019

[ of course you were. ]

WWW search....
Watch Children Sing Jihadist Songs in Philly
By Daniel Greenfield on May 02, 2019

[ QUESTION;
how do people, human beings, who know nothing about ISLAM, become enthralled by ISLAM ?

ANSWER;
this can happen, if they are exposed to moslems, ....who proselytise for ISLAM, and will then inculcate the idea, in them,
that ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant faith, which is seeking only acceptance from others - even though many of its followers are often being cruelly persecuted, and misrepresented. ]

WWW search....
Ihsas Khan found guilty of stabbing his neighbour in Sydney terror attack
By marc on May 02, 2019
"Again we have an Islamic State inspired terrorist, “striking at the necks” of the unbeliever later pleading not guilty due to mental illness."

[ any HUMAN BEING who has become enthralled, by ISLAM, is going to 'have mental issues'.
why so ?

because ISLAM inculcates the idea [in the psyche of those who become enthralled by it], that it is lawful to murder people who are not moslems, and if they reject ISLAM.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

WWW search....
"...Harbi is the inhabitant of the DAR AL-HARB [the house of war].
A harbi has no rights, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TO LIVE....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi
Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war" ...see, Koran 2.98, above

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - WWW search
Koran 98.6
disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - WWW search
Koran 8.55
disbelievers = = [lawfully] sub-humans

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 4^th, 2019 at 10:41am

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Tunisia: “Islamic sharia law” invoked to shut down LGBTQ rights
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 30, 2019
"Tunisia has a history of secularism, but “following the revolution of early 2011, more room was created for religious political parties to operate in the country”. The al-Nahda movement won 41% of seats in the Constituent Assembly in that year, and its representatives “proposed a constitutional provision declaring Islam to be the main source of legislation with the goal of unifying all Tunisian legislation under the rule of Islamic law.” "

[ the ISLAMIST playbook;
1/ while seeking 'popular' accommodation and acceptance within the non-moslem society, present yourself as having liberal, tolerant views.
2/ once you are firmly established within the non-moslem society, begin to assert that all lawful authority within our community, must come from our ISLAMIC religious sources. ]

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Man who lied about support for IS and jihad links arrested at N.C airport
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 02, 2019
"Western populations continue to be at a safety risk due to the infiltration of jihadists - and Islamic supremacist groups who shield them - under a fake banner of human rights and diversity. The denial of jihad terror is pervasive and denial of it serves to embolden the jihadist cause. Groups in Western countries which are connected to jihad terror need to be dismantled."

[ but is there [yet], the political will, within our Western nations, to do this ?
...the will to act against those, who within our secular and pluralist societies, continue to be, the followers and the promoters of everything ISLAMIC, both 'culturally', and *legalistically* ! ]

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Research shows at least 41,000,000 of American tax dollars spent on jihadist organizations
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 02, 2019
"This shocking report is a must read below. It outlines how the American people are being used as dhimmis and manipulated in the global jihad war as unwitting “sponsors” of jihad terror, without any say in the matter."

[ how persuasive our enemies are in convincing us;
that 1/ they are really our friends, and, 2/ that with our tax dollars, they can 'turn' people within their community away from 'extremism'.
it is a deceitful and calculated ruse.
and government institutions and NGO's are being 'taken in' by the lying, persuasive words, of deceitful moslems. ]

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.
Every moslem, is a moslem!
Every moslem, is a follower of ISLAM!

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 4^th, 2019 at 9:20pm

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Muslim men on the street in Germany share their views on rape
By marc on May 03, 2019
" “Up the alley”, man on the street interviews with Muslims in Germany who all say women who are raped deserved it if they aren’t dressed like Muslim women."

[ Q. why are our governments in Western nations still encouraging and facilitating immigration and acceptance of refugees, from among those, who embrace a philosophy and law, which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them to;

use us [deceitfully],
to steal from us,
to rape our girls and women,
and to murder us ? [...because we do not believe as they [moslems] believe.]
100% true. ]

previously....
WWW search....
Yemeni scholar: “ISIS has come to implement Islam as it is, by the book, complete with slave girls, the rape”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

previously....
WWW search....
Spain: Six Muslim migrants rape 12-year-old girl for 45 minutes after freeing her friend because she was Muslim
By Robert Spencer on Mar 27, 2019

["Nothing to see here. Move along! Move along!"

ISLAMIC law teaches believers that it is lawful, for a moslem man to rape non-moslem girls/women ? - because Mohammed did it [ISLAMIC texts], and Mohammed is the ISLAMIC example, of lawful behaviour.
100% true.

n.b.
these moslems would have been breaking ISLAMIC law, to have also raped her moslem friend! ]

"ISLAM is the most feminist religion" - Yassmin Abdel-Magied

WWW search....
muslim rape epidemic, europe
WWW search....
bilal skaf, Sydney gang rapes, uncovered women
WWW search....
"rape jihad"

WWW search....
Sudanese Clerics Appeal to Military Council to Instate Islamic Law: Caliphate Should Be Established
By marc on May 03, 2019

[ of course. in a moslem majority nation, what else! ]

do you recall, that Sudan is the nation where, in 2007, there were street protests by angry moslems, demanding the beheading of a woman [from the UK], an infidel, working as a childrens teacher in a Khartoum school, who had dared, to name a classroom teddy bear, Mohammed! ]

Quote:

Sudanese teddy bear blasphemy case - Wikipedia

The Sudanese teddy bear blasphemy case concerns the 2007 arrest, trial, conviction, imprisonment, and subsequent release of British schoolteacher Gillian Gibbons...
She was convicted of insulting Islam by allowing her class of six-year-olds to name a teddy bear "Muhammad".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case

Off with the heads of all infidel blasphemers !!!! >:( >:(

< -------- This is how moslems, in moslem majority jurisdictions, often behave, towards those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

Tolerant ? Peace-loving ? Bare faced LIARS!!

CHECKOUT -------- >

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 7^th, 2019 at 6:55pm

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Brunei to Delay Killing Gay People in the Name of Islam
By Daniel Greenfield on May 06, 2019
"The Sultan of Brunei, an enlightened Islamic tyrant who owns a number of fashionable western hotels, has once agreed to delay killing gay people in the name of Islam."

"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;"
Koran 1.1-3

ISLAM is peace - POST-TRUTH MSM ....AND, Allah is a Merciful Allah, too.

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - POST-TRUTH MSM

WWW search....
Glazov Moment: “Right-Wing Backlash” to Sri Lanka Jihad
By Jamie Glazov on May 06, 2019
"In this new Jamie Glazov Moment, I focus on “Right-Wing Backlash” to Sri Lanka Jihad, and I ask:
Can a person not want to be murdered by Jihad — and not be “far-right”?"

[ reasonable Q's....

if i live in a Western nation, in today's 2019 political landscape;
am i "far-right", if i express, that i do not want to be murdered by moslems ??
am i a "white supremacist", if i express, that i do not want to be murdered by moslems ??
am i an "ISLAM-O-PHOBE", if i express, that i do not want to be murdered by moslems ?? ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

ISLAM is peace - POST-TRUTH MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - POST-TRUTH MSM

WWW search....
Hamas kill baby and pregnant Palestinian, blame Israel
By marc on May 06, 2019

[ moslems have been discovered, to be doing this for many, many years.
i.e.
through the action(s) of a moslem, another moslem will die [e.g. sometimes a family member, is killed [i.e. murdered!] by a father or a male sibling],
and the family/moslem individual will attribute the death/murder, as being committed by a non-moslem(s).
i.e.
as being A HATE CRIME, committed against moslems, by a known or unknown non-moslem.

100% true. ]

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Ramadan: Sharia police in Kano, Nigeria and elsewhere to arrest anyone found eating in public
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 06, 2019
" “Police in Kano, Nabahani Usman has said that adults seen eating in public during Ramadan would be arrested.” But this is not a practice unique to the mostly unknown Kano, Nigeria. Across sharia adherent countries, eating in public during Ramadan is prohibited and thus punishable."

[ where moslems begin to 'hold sway' within a nominally [normally] secular jurisdiction, moslems don't just want moslems to be subject to ISLAMIC law.
oh no!
moslems want non-moslems in such jurisdictions, to show full respect to ISLAM and, respect to the strictures of ISLAMIC law. ]

example IMAGE....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Sharia-zone.jpg

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Ramadan: more bloodshed expected this month because “jihad is the best form of worship”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 06, 2019

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"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad"

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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600 rockets fired in 24 hours, Trump declares “we support Israel 100% in defense of its citizens
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 06, 2019
"What a way to start Ramadan: over 600 rockets have been fired at Israeli citizens from Gaza, racking up the death toll.
“Ramadan is the month of Jihad, the month when Muslims strive to please Allah more fervently.” "

[ as above, previous item ]

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2019 at 5:10pm

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Alabama IS bride who praised the death of Americans, called for vehicular attacks “wants to come home”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 07, 2019
" “An Alabama ISIS bride” wants to come home. Can we forgive her horrifying social media posts?” A better question is: should we overlook her impulse to destroy America and desire to murder its citizens? Hoda Muthuna is another human rights abusing, hateful, indoctrinated, victimhood-manipulating Islamic State bride who wants to “come home”,..."

[ every follower of ISLAM,    is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac, imo.

knowing what ISLAM prescribes and requires of its followers [stated within its own foundational religious texts], how could any innocent person choose, to remain a follower of such a vicious and murderous philosophy ? ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

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FBI translator arrested for altering transcripts of calls he made to Al-Shabab jihad terror suspect
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 07, 2019
"Islamic supremacists have infiltrated every sector of America, and in fact Western society. Disturbingly, they occupy positions of trust."

[ employing any person, within any Western security service where they also has access to sensitive information, but who may have existing sympathies with other followers of ISLAM is fraught with danger.
and it is just plain dumb [extremely naive], on the part of government agencies !

every moslem living in the West, will tell you to your face, that -he- does not support 'extremism'.
and while he is 'slumming it', here in the West, he will proffer that -he- is one of the moderate moslems, who supports pluralism and tolerance of non-moslems.

the problem for you, is, even an 'extremist' moslem will tell you that, too! ]

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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Israeli response to cyber attack is a building demolition
By marc on May 07, 2019

[ doing it the right way [by a government].
dealing with entities who have [within their own ranks] stated very plainly, that our death and our society's destruction is their ultimate objective. ]

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.       <---- dictionary definition.

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2019 at 5:17pm

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Sri Lanka expels 600 foreign nationals including 200 Islamic clerics
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 07, 2019
" “Sri Lanka has expelled over 600 foreign nationals, including around 200 Islamic clerics, since the Easter suicide bombings blamed on a local terror group, a minister told AFP Sunday....Home Affairs Minister Vajira Abeywardena said...’we have reviewed the visas system and took a decision to tighten visa restrictions for religious teachers'”. Kudos to Sri Lankan...."

[ this is exactly the type of response, imo, which our Australian governments should be taking, after each murderous attack [or planned attack] if the attack can be shown to have been inspired by ISLAM's doctrines of violence [against non-moslems].
signalling zero tolerance by Australia, of ISLAMIC inspired violence, within Australia.

but i'm not holding my breath.

[n.b. during this current election campaign, PM Scott Morrison has claimed that at least 15 'terrorist' attacks in recent years, were 'interupted'/prevented by our national security services.]

moslems are a people who may sometimes act individually, but they are members of a community, who are all unified in purpose, by their religion.

moslems are a community/group of people, who choose to be the supporters and followers of a murderous death cult.
the religion of ISLAM, teaches its followers, that it is both virtuous and lawful, for its followers,
to murder those who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
100% true. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

hint...
Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM. <---- dictionary definition.

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 9^th, 2019 at 9:06pm

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Hugh Fitzgerald: In Philadelphia, The Muslim American Society Regrets “The Oversight”
By Hugh Fitzgerald on May 08, 2019

the same item, a different account....
cited here....
"...a disturbing video that surfaced online last week, showing a handful of children at a Philadelphia Islamic center performing a song about decapitating their enemies and martyrs sacrificing their lives to reclaim Jerusalem."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1557099706/0#0

[ moslems in the U.S. are so, so, embarrassed and so sorry. [....that this 'in-house' 'cultural training' of their own children, by moslems in the U.S., has been publicly exposed!]

in reality, moslems are comfortable with 'gee-ing up' their own children, teaching them, that it is expected of them, and that it is their right [in ISLAMIC law] and a religious obligation, to fight and to kill disbelievers who reject their religion, ISLAM.

but, moslems do not want local non-moslems to know, that they are encouraging this cultural hostility towards disbelievers, in their own children, behind closed doors. ]

ISLAM is peace - POST-TRUTH MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - POST-TRUTH MSM

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Right kind of Muslims kill 9 wrong kind of Muslims – Ramadan Day 3
By marc on May 08, 2019

previously....
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Diversity in Australia: Sunni Muslims on trial for burning down Shia mosque
By Robert Spencer on Apr 01, 2019
"Celebrate diversity! Diversity is our strength! And all that. But what happens when you bring in large groups of people who adhere to a belief system that itself does not respect “diversity”? "

[ moslems are not even tolerant of, OTHER MOSLEMS, if they are 'the wrong kind of moslem'.
the violent Sunni/Shia divide, in ISLAM, is ever present.

and of course, if these Sunni arsonists had not been 'found out', this deliberate fire at a mosque,
would have been portrayed by many 'Aussie' moslems, as an example of the hate all moslems suffer, against their religion, here in secular Australia. ]

previously....
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Saudi Arabia: Man asks mother if she is Shia, then cab driver beheads her 6-year-old son
By Robert Spencer on Feb 09, 2019
[Shia - Is 'wrong kind of moslem', to Sunni. And, Sunni - Is 'wrong kind of moslem', to Shia.
these circumstances = = never-ending WAR between Shia ISLAM, and Sunni ISLAM!]

ISLAM is peace - POST-TRUTH MSM

"Oh look! Flying pigs!" - POST-TRUTH MSM

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Cornell Muslim Students Demand More “Prayer Rooms”
By Daniel Greenfield on May 08, 2019
"Muslim students at Cornell already have two dedicated prayer rooms, one for men, and one for women. No other religious group appears to have received this special accommodation."

[ moslems living within Western nations have special needs.
and infidel institutions and infidel governments, must do everything that they can to satisfy the needs of local moslems.

otherwise, it will be proof that the non-moslems are 'RACIST'!

moslem entitlement, and making the local infidel go out of his way to accommodate the demands of local devout moslems,
it is a 'path', to establishing the acceptance of ISLAM's supremacy, in the psyche of the local infidel, within host Western nations.

we are being 'played', but the LEFTISTS either can't see it, or they just do not care. ]

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Title: Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Post by Yadda on May 10^th, 2019 at 7:40pm

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Afghanistan: At least 5 dead in jihad suicide attack on American aid group because they promoted gender equality
By Christine Douglass-Williams on May 09, 2019
" “The Taliban have killed at least five people in a suicide attack” on the offices of a US aid group, Counterpart International” in the heart of Kabul. The reasons cited for the attack is that “one of its programmes was promoting open inter-mixing between men and women'” and other “harmful Western activities”. "

[ if its not ISLAMIC, its not on!!!!
if it is anything which ISLAMIC law spurns, its not on!!!!

spurn = = reject with disdain or contempt.

the pretense by moslems, that when they come to live in Western nations, they show, that they can accept the tolerance of other peoples and tolerance of other ideas and concepts [besides ISLAMIC 'ideas'], is a ruse, it is a bare faced lie.

in all places where moslems still show a semblance of tolerance of non-moslems [and non-moslem society], it is only as 'a means to an end', in a war of perpetual and never-ending attrition. ]

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

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Imam of Portland’s Biggest Mosque Gets Citizenship Revoked Over “Violent Jihad”
By Daniel Greenfield on May 09, 2019
"....It’s odd how these ‘big mosques’ keep choosing imams who are into violent Jihad, as opposed to the peaceful kind, which involves handing out flowers and petting kittens."

[ this outcome is unusual.but welcome. ]

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