Two years before his sudden disappearance made him a household name, the boy had come to the attention of police, the inquest was told.

In February 2012, Family and Community Services came to collect William after a court had ruled that he was to go into the care of the Minister for Family and Community Services.

He wasn't there, leading police to issue a warrant for the arrest of his biological mother.

A month later, he was located at the home of a relative, then taken into foster care, the Coroner's Court at Lidcombe heard on Monday morning.

"Police have not drawn the positive conclusion that a known relative or associate was not involved in William's disappearance," Mr Craddock said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-sought-william-tyrrell-two-years-before-he-vanished-inquest-told-20190324-p51739.html

I've looked over the place - about an hour from here - and it is a dead end street - no random paedophile stranger just happened along the day he was there and picked him up.

Definitely an inside job somewhere... can't see why it hasn't been cracked yet.

P.S.  I took the ex and three of her 'psychic' lady friends up there..... I think they are full of baloney.. but on another visit there for the ex alone, actually drove past a little boy in a Spiderman outfit taking out the garbages - about three km up the road...   after three years or so, a bit hard to really tell... but it was certainly freakish.

I reckon he's alive and with a rellie or close friend of some sort...

The first conclusion is they're with relatives or friends of the biological parents but I image the police would have had them under very close surveillance so either they're very disciplined, unlikely for druggies.

Gordon wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

The first conclusion is they're with relatives or friends of the biological parents but I image the police would have had them under very close surveillance so either they're very disciplined, unlikely for druggies.

The whole thing was weird and so much like a set-up it almost had to be .... perhaps a family member or friend who wasn't a druggie... maybe got the kid for his own best good.  Maybe not friends of the biological parents.. maybe of an older family member looking for the boy's best interests.

I still feel this case will crack.

An old pedophile will take this secret to rthe grave.

He's joined the Water Babies now.

In the wild New England ranges came the word one fateful day,
To every town and village, that a boy had lost his way.
All the townsfolk quickly gathered and the wild bush horses tossed,
As they went to search the ranges for a little boy lost,
They went to search the ranges for a little boy lost.
A lad of just four summers, Stephen Walls, that is his name,
And nobody doubts his courage, 'cause he's hardy and he's game,
But there's danger in this country that man has seldom crossed,
And they wonder if they'll find alive this little boy lost,
And they wonder if they'll find alive this little boy lost.

Came the night, came the morning. Another night, another dawning,
And a mother weeps in silence as she kneels before the Cross,
And she prays to God in heaven for her little boy lost,
And she prays to God in heaven for her little boy lost.

Jasin wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 10:29pm:

In the wild New England ranges came the word one fateful day, To every town and village, that a boy had lost his way. All the townsfolk quickly gathered and the wild bush horses tossed, As they went to search the ranges for a little boy lost, They went to search the ranges for a little boy lost. A lad of just four summers, Stephen Walls, that is his name, And nobody doubts his courage, 'cause he's hardy and he's game, But there's danger in this country that man has seldom crossed, And they wonder if they'll find alive this little boy lost, And they wonder if they'll find alive this little boy lost. Came the night, came the morning. Another night, another dawning, And a mother weeps in silence as she kneels before the Cross, And she prays to God in heaven for her little boy lost, And she prays to God in heaven for her little boy lost.

Guyra, you say?  No wonder he wanted out..... got a nice steak house, though.... trucky's meal - about half a cow on a platter with a pile of vegetables...

It looks like this case is about to blow up.

NSW Police have sought an apprehended violence order against the foster parents of William Tyrrell on behalf of a child linked to the missing boy as police begin a new search on the Mid North Coast sparked by new information.

The couple, who cannot be named for legal reasons, are scheduled to appear in court next week for the AVO.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-detectives-announce-new-william-tyrrell-searches-20211115-p598x2.html

and

Police have returned to the home from which William Tyrrell disappeared in 2014 and are investigating whether he fell fatally from the balcony.

On Tuesday, homicide squad investigators returned to the Benaroon Drive property and were digging up the garden directly underneath the second story balcony.

Plants are being removed, and dirt is being sifted through.

Specialist forensic investigators are also spraying Luminol, a substance that shows traces of blood.

A cadaver dog is also at the scene.

Strike Force Rosann officers will on Tuesday begin consulting with a forensic anthropologist, an archaeologist and a hydrologist in a bid to unearth new physical evidence in William’s baffling disappearance.

Meanwhile, at one site a kilometre from the home, police and the RFS were clearing land with chainsaws.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/police-commissioner-confirms-one-person-of-interest-in-william-tyrrell-case-20211116-p59981.html

From the articles in the last few days, it appears he died after falling off the balcony. Someone (gran?) panicked and put him in the car and buried him.

Detectives seize car in Sydney that belonged to William Tyrrell’s foster-grandmother

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/william-tyrrell-investigation-seizes-foster-grandmother-s-car-in-sydney-20211117-p599js.html

Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts

https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 9:27am:

From the articles in the last few days, it appears he died after falling off the balcony. Someone (gran?) panicked and put him in the car and buried him. Detectives seize car in Sydney that belonged to William Tyrrell’s foster-grandmother https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/william-tyrrell-investigation-seizes-foster-grandmother-s-car-in-sydney-20211117-p599js.html

Now YTF would they do that?  They'd call an ambulance.  The inference is that someone had something to hide - meaning deceased granma, a convenient scapegoat - and that has all the hallmarks of a
Chamberlain witch hunt rather than an investigation.

I always said there was more to this than met the eye, and it had hallmarks of an 'inside' job - but again - why would someone panic and go bury him, KNOWING that discovery of blood or even his body would lead to massive assumption of guilt?

If he fell - he fell... end of story.  If he was pushed by sister or granny got mad and hit him with a piece of firewood not thinking it would cave his skull in - that's a different story... but if he fell, why would someone not immediately call the ambulance for help? If he fell why was there no evidence at the time?  Why was the car not checked at the time.. to 'exclude' the possibility?  Cordoned off, potential crime scene - nobody in or out without permission.

I find this hard to believe somehow... I hope they find the kid and settle this - but there will always be doubt about what actually happened.

First 48...... you know that... get it right first time.... or forget it .... what if the kid had a nose bleed in the car at some time?  I'll bet Jubelin has some ideas not yet aired ... bet on it...

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 10:51am:

Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o

I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 10:51am:

Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o

Absolutley 100 percent it does,  shes stressed aright, listen to the quaver in her voice, a number of times, hard to fake that. And she wasnt prepared in any way, didnt know the x street. 

I am still haunted by the memory of searching up there, and seeing a small boy in a Spiderman suit taking out the garbage bins about a kilometre away.  Was it...???  Are those suits so common?

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:11am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation.

15 minutes is only a look up the street

If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up

She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic

There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball

   

New South police should stick to what they do best; handing out speeding fines and arresting teenagers with pingers at music festivals.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:54am:

New South police should stick to what they do best; handing out speeding fines and arresting teenagers with pingers at music festivals.

Didn't ya know.

Australian cop training is based on the Keystone cops movies.

Since their primary role of revenue collectors has been taken over by Redflex.
They now have little of value to add.
Watch the numbers drop off to be replaced by more and more cameras.

Camera footage after someone has been beaten to death is very useful.

New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball

I reckon I'd call cops after 15mins if my place backed onto the bush, particularly if the kid didn't live there.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 12:20pm:

New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day.

Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal.

Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::)

Belgarion wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 1:23pm:

Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::)

How would you describe the police's handling of the case?

Hope the cops aren't cocking this up

William Tyrrell’s former foster-parents charged with assault

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball

You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells.

rhino wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells.

A poster on OP giving an uninformed opinion is unusual because
...? BTW, Bias is one of the more thoughtful posters on this s.h.i.t show, and that's coming from a dumb ass such as myself.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 4:53pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:41pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells. A poster on OP giving an uninformed opinion is unusual because ...? BTW, Bias is one of the more thoughtful posters on this s.h.i.t show, and that's coming from a dumb ass such as myself.

He didnt do too well here.  :o

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball

And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV.

rhino wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 5:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:53pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:41pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells. A poster on OP giving an uninformed opinion is unusual because ...? BTW, Bias is one of the more thoughtful posters on this s.h.i.t show, and that's coming from a dumb ass such as myself. He didnt do too well here.  :o

Opinions are never wrong.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 5:17pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:53pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:41pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells. A poster on OP giving an uninformed opinion is unusual because ...? BTW, Bias is one of the more thoughtful posters on this s.h.i.t show, and that's coming from a dumb ass such as myself. He didnt do too well here.  :o Opinions are never wrong.

Not an opinion.

rhino wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 5:17pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV.

I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control. 

rhino wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 5:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:12pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:53pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 4:41pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts https://youtu.be/ZxJ2F5CKl6o I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     You are not an expert, in fact you are the opposite of an expert, you are an idiot giving an uniformed opinion. Leave it to people with brain cells. A poster on OP giving an uninformed opinion is unusual because ...? BTW, Bias is one of the more thoughtful posters on this s.h.i.t show, and that's coming from a dumb ass such as myself. He didnt do too well here.  :o Opinions are never wrong. Not an opinion.

It was IMO.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 1:30pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm: Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::) How would you describe the police's handling of the case?

Methodical and painstaking,  as is the vast majority of police work.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 8:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:30pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm: Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::) How would you describe the police's handling of the case? Methodical and painstaking,  as is the vast majority of police work.

I'm sure publicly apologising to the wrongfully accused is painstaking.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 9:22pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 8:35pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:30pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm: Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::) How would you describe the police's handling of the case? Methodical and painstaking,  as is the vast majority of police work. I'm sure publicly apologising to the wrongfully accused is painstaking.

Who has been accused? No one... ::)

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 5:24pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV. I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control.

Spot on, not yet panicking but quite worried. 

cases like this are a waste of police resources.

the police dont want to confront the APEX gang in fitroy.

but they are happy to spend years on cases like this.

i imagine 100's of police sitting around in a country pub, laughing and joking and getting paid overtime to wander around doing an emu bob to look for evidence in the bush 7 years later when floods and fires have been thru the area.

they must be pissing themselves laughing as they walk around in the fresh country air listening to spotify and living a stress free , taxpayer funded , dream

Belgarion wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 10:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 9:22pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 8:35pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:30pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 1:23pm: Loving the opinions from all you experts whose only knowledge of policing comes from TV cop shows. ::) How would you describe the police's handling of the case? Methodical and painstaking,  as is the vast majority of police work. I'm sure publicly apologising to the wrongfully accused is painstaking. Who has been accused? No one... ::)

We'll see how Bill Spedding's case against the police goes.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2021 at 5:20am:

cases like this are a waste of police resources.

You can tell your kids that if any of their kids ever get abducted raped and murdered.

This current investigation seems to be chasing shadows, totally apparently random activity, including a failed radar ground probe of the garage floor.

Keystone Cops like.

The garage floor was a fail call since it was apparently laid soon after the kids disappearance. wouldnt be the first time a body was concealed that way. Not basis for calling it keystone.

rhino wrote on Nov 18^th, 2021 at 8:50pm:

The garage floor was a fail call since it was apparently laid soon after the kids disappearance. wouldnt be the first time a body was concealed that way. Not basis for calling it keystone.

It's not just that.  All this digging in specific places and producing.....SFA and all very deliberately in front of cameras.  Surely the degree to which the Cops are seeking camera presence is very unusual.

rhino wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 10:54pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:24pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV. I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control.  Spot on, not yet panicking but quite worried.

It was completely fake that call - the cops should picked up on it in two seconds flat ... if you reckon they are better than a specialist psychologist

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 11:50am:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball

It was only a few weeks ago that all the armchair experts were blaming the mother for the disappearance of Cleo Smith in WA. Lets also not forget the same thing happening with Lindy Chamberlain.

Finding someone guilty based on a video is the height of stupidity

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 11:54am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball It was only a few weeks ago that all the armchair experts were blaming the mother for the disappearance of Cleo Smith in WA. Lets also not forget the same thing happening with Lindy Chamberlain. Finding someone guilty based on a video is the height of stupidity

False assumptions again?

The vid has a real life triple "0" recording ... and I'm not implying guilt, I'm implying a "cover-up" of the truth by the mother, after listening to that recording

Gordon wrote on Nov 17^th, 2021 at 12:54pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal.

Really? a known paedophile/sex offender.

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender.

You're surprised that those grubs are defending him?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:54pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:24pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV. I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control.  Spot on, not yet panicking but quite worried.  It was completely fake that call - the cops should picked up on it in two seconds flat ... if you reckon they are better than a specialist psychologist

Ok, you claim  you know better than  experienced detectives. What is the basis of your experience in law enforcement? You go first, then I will. Deal?.

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender.

30 year old accusations that were found to be false at the time and got chucked out of court a second time and as far as we know he's had no complaints in 30 year.

Police later decided to charge Mr Spedding over allegations of child abuse from 30 years ago despite the claims having been discredited and dismissed by authorities back when they were originally made.

When the charges came to the NSW District Court, the prosecution case collapsed and the judge threw the whole case out.
"Ultimately the judge was completely unsatisfied with the reliability of the evidence that had been presented by the Crown case," Mr O'Brien said.

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender.

Disgusting, isn't it?

I bet he'll come back and defend him even more.

Makes you wonder.

How many kids have been killed by drunk drivers?

Pure scum.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender. You're surprised that those grubs are defending him?

They have form.

Remember when they came out in defence of Epstein?

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 11:54am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball It was only a few weeks ago that all the armchair experts were blaming the mother for the disappearance of Cleo Smith in WA. Lets also not forget the same thing happening with Lindy Chamberlain. Finding someone guilty based on a video is the height of stupidity False assumptions again? The vid has a real life triple "0" recording ... and I'm not implying guilt, I'm implying a "cover-up" of the truth by the mother, after listening to that recording

actually you are committing slander for no good reason. You dont have the analytical skills you think you have.

rhino wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 18th, 2021 at 9:16pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:54pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:24pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV. I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control.  Spot on, not yet panicking but quite worried.  It was completely fake that call - the cops should picked up on it in two seconds flat ... if you reckon they are better than a specialist psychologist Ok, you claim  you know better than  experienced detectives. What is the basis of your experience in law enforcement? You go first, then I will. Deal?.

Oh look, he ran away.

Gnads wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender.

Bill Spedding is not a known sex offender or pedophile.

rhino wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 9:47pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender. Bill Spedding is not a known sex offender or pedophile.

True.

Gordon wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

How many kids have been killed by drunk drivers? Pure scum.

How many kids have been killed by their birth mothers?

Pure scum....

rhino wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 7:07pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 18th, 2021 at 9:16pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:54pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:24pm: rhino wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball     And this, interviewing Detectives would have a far greater degree of experience and ability to pick mistruths than most psychologists. Why is this I hear you ask? Because thats their bread and butter, what they do for a living. Not sure what a "specialist" psychologist is, obviously a term picked up from TV. I personally think her voice sounded about right for someone reporting a kid went missing just 15 mins ago. Tense but still in control.  Spot on, not yet panicking but quite worried.  It was completely fake that call - the cops should picked up on it in two seconds flat ... if you reckon they are better than a specialist psychologist Ok, you claim  you know better than  experienced detectives. What is the basis of your experience in law enforcement? You go first, then I will. Deal?.

Oh... ASIO,  AFP, ex-SAS.. just a humble servant, as all such should be.... he who would choose to lead must first learn to follow the basic rules.... OUR rules...not those of of a preserved species who have tame 'magistrates' and can make any 'personal judgement' stick regardless of all else...

Our government has just decreed that I am suitable to monitor a polling station at the next election.

YOU?

Some here claim arcane knowledge.... check me out.... some have done so before and fallen short...

They always will...

rhino wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 9:47pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender. Bill Spedding is not a known sex offender or pedophile.

I stand corrected

the article I was reading certainly implied he was.

Gnads wrote on Nov 20^th, 2021 at 7:46am:

rhino wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 9:47pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 5:25pm: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:54pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 12:20pm: New South's finest were confident in the guilt of Bill Spedding. Then, William's mother. Now, William's foster mother. Throw in Mr Hammer, officers. I was in NSW on that day. Yeah poor old Spedding, he got a bad deal. Really? a known paedophile/sex offender. Bill Spedding is not a known sex offender or pedophile. I stand corrected

As do I.

We have no idea what Spedding did or didn't do 30 years ago, but the fact it's been reported as the claims having been discredited and dismissed by authorities back when they were originally made seems to indicate they were made up accusations.
If there were simply unprovable that wording wouldn't have been used.

As far as we know, there have been no complaints about him for 30 years and his alibi which turned out to be solid wasn't even checked by police for 6 years until the 2020 inquest.

The police wasted a lot of time and energy fixating on the wrong bloke, I hope the same is not happening to the foster parents.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2021 at 12:18pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 19th, 2021 at 11:54am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:50am: Gordon wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 11:11am: Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 17th, 2021 at 10:51am: Listen to this vid and tell me if this is a mother genuinely concerned about her son's whereabouts I wouldn't draw any conclusions from that. If he had wandered off into the bush, after 15 mins you're concerned, not hysterical. Also people have vastly different reactions to the same situation. 15 minutes is only a look up the street If you were really searching for someone, an hour would go by at least, then if not found, call triple "0" and ask for assistance, not just say "My son is missinghe'sthreeandahalf" blah blah, then thank the lady in a nonchalant way and hang-up She didn't ask for assistance and she didn't really imply it, she was just telling a story and glad the lady listened to her story and wrote down some details, and thankful the lady was sounding somewhat sympathetic There's lots wrong with what the mother said, and how she said it ... the cops should have got in a specialist psychologist to pick it to pieces, but if they did, he/she wasn't on the ball It was only a few weeks ago that all the armchair experts were blaming the mother for the disappearance of Cleo Smith in WA. Lets also not forget the same thing happening with Lindy Chamberlain. Finding someone guilty based on a video is the height of stupidity False assumptions again? The vid has a real life triple "0" recording ... and I'm not implying guilt, I'm implying a "cover-up" of the truth by the mother, after listening to that recording

That's even more stupid
An armchair expert making an accusation based on nothing more than their interpretation of a 000 recording
As i said, the armchair experts were wrong about Cleo Smith so unless you have any actual evidence it can be safely assumed you are talking BS