Oh look! Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia, telling it like it is !




"Australia: Jihad-linked group teaches rejection of national anthem, diversity and tolerance..."



IMAGE.....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Hizb-ut-Tahrir.png

Coz moslems are always HONEST, and up front, about their faith.
Coz, moslems are so proud, of the fact that their religion stands for the values of integrity, justice, peace and ethical conduct.
/sarc off


“...a religion that in reality stands for the values of justice, peace and ethical conduct.”
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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1556454310/0#0







Quote:

Australia: Jihad-linked group teaches rejection of national anthem, diversity and tolerance in conference By Christine Douglass-Williams on Apr 28, 2019 A community hall conference held in Sydney, Australia by Hizb ut-Tahrir, a well known jihadist organization which has been “campaigning for Sharia law”, discouraged children from singing the national anthem and refused to condemn the Islamic State. ....The event was replete with....the declaration that the national anthem was oppressive to Muslims, support for the Islamic State, the promotion of amputations for punishments and a full rebuke of diversity, multiculturalism and tolerance. While all this might sounding shocking to most Westerners, it is not shocking in the least to those who understand that normative Islam is supremacist in doctrine and promotes the doctrine of a world divided in two, between the House of War (Dar al Harb) and the House of Islam (Dar al Islam), where infidel countries are deemed to be ‘houses of war’ that must be brought under subjugation to Islam. Normative Islam’s decrees are immutable and its laws are an official closed corpus. Western constitutions and laws are regarded in Islam as inferior to the Islamic sharia; and the doctrine of the Islamic State–although practiced more crudely–is the same Salafi doctrine that governs Saudi Arabia and many Islamic countries.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/australia-jihad-linked-group-teaches-rejection-of-national-anthem-diversity-and-tolerance-in-conference



QUESTION;
WHAT HAVE WE BEEN TELLING YOU, all along....   ???


What ISLAMIC culture      [really]      represents;

"...a full rebuke of diversity, multiculturalism and tolerance."


Moslems are followers of a religion,       which rejects diversity, multiculturalism and the tolerance of others [i.e. everything and everyone non-ISLAM] !!!
....except as a deceitful pretence,     of accepting such values,     in order to gain admittance to, and then [cultural] acceptance within, nations like Australia.

You forgot one more thing:

"... Because everyone knows that Islam is a religion of peace..."

/sarc off

Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 8:13am:

Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew?

What !

I can't believe it gandalf !

Indonesian oppressors!!!    ....how dare they!

Moslems oppressing other moslems.    ....its just wrong.





Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1410694482/49#49

Quote:

Every moslem ISLAMIC group, is in competition with every other ISLAMIC group. There have been wars among moslems, since 2 minutes after Mohammed died. Hamas, ISIS, Taleban and Boko Haram, all proffer themselves to the 'moslem street', individually, as the true expression of ISLAM. And so do the Saudis, and the Iranians. The truth is that moslems form alliances, with those they hate, against those they hate even more!!! ISIS and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!! The Saudis and Al-Qaeda are COMPETITORS for the 'moslem street' !!!!! And so it is, with every moslem group. Even moslem groups resident within Australia, tell us, that they are the true expression of ISLAM. And if they had the means and the opportunity, those very moslem groups resident within Australia, would be slaughtering each other - AND US. It is true!           :) WAKE UP.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 8:13am:

Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew?

But not for blasphemy? That would be a bit difficult, wouldn't it Gandalf?

ASIO Director-General testifies before the Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee.

Australian jihadists currently in Syria and Iraq:
“ASIO assessed that around 110 Australians are currently in Syria or Iraq and have fought or otherwise supported the Islamic extremist groups.” ASIO DG Duncan Lewis, 24 May 2018, page 100.

Australians killed while involved with jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq:
“At least 78 and possibly as many as 90 Australians have been killed because of their involvement in the conflict.” ASIO DG Duncan Lewis, 24 May 2018, page 100.

Australians subject to travel restrictions:
“Since 2012, around 240 Australian passports have been cancelled or refused and 39 Australian passports have been suspended on ASIO’s recommendation in relation to Syria and Iraq.” ASIO DG Duncan Lewis, 24 May 2018, page 100.

Total number of Australians who traveled and joined jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq during the conflict:
“Since 2012, around 220 Australians have travelled to Syria/Iraq to join the conflict. Although unable to further breakdown these figures for security reasons, ASIO notes that as the conflict continues, fewer individuals are successfully entering the conflict zone.” ASIO DG Duncan Lewis, 27 February 2018.

muslims are 2.6% of our population yet they are responsible for a massive 220 people going overseas to join an islamic terror group.

islam is the problem, nothing more nothing less.

How long do we have to wait before muslims take responsibility for the multitude of depraved evil in their qur'an?

freediver wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 1:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 8:13am: Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew? But not for blasphemy? That would be a bit difficult, wouldn't it Gandalf?

Is this you qualifying your previous statement that Indonesian Islamists can say whatever they want about Islam?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 1:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 8:13am: Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew? But not for blasphemy? That would be a bit difficult, wouldn't it Gandalf? Is this you qualifying your previous statement that Indonesian Islamists can say whatever they want about Islam?

Sure. I would add "without getting charged with blasphemy". I expect I did the first time round.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:36pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 8:26am: freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 1:49pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 8:13am: Indonesia banned this group. Apparently for "saying whatever they like about Islam". Who knew? But not for blasphemy? That would be a bit difficult, wouldn't it Gandalf? Is this you qualifying your previous statement that Indonesian Islamists can say whatever they want about Islam? Sure. I would add "without getting charged with blasphemy". I expect I did the first time round.

;D

You tried to claim that Islamists can never be gaoled for expressing their views on Islam, even when that amounted to hate speech - becacuse if they did that would be tantamount to challenging their version of Islam - which totally couldn't be done.

Nice try though.

FD: Islamists getting gaoled for saying what they like about Islam, doesn't disprove the fact that Islamists are allowed to say what they like about Islam - ummm.. because they were gaoled for hate speech, not blasphemy

:D :D

Quote:

You tried to claim that Islamists can never be gaoled for expressing their views on Islam, even when that amounted to hate speech

Can you quote me?

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Can you quote me?

"Islamists in Indonesia can say whatever they want about Islam" (or words to the effect).

polite_gandalf wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:

freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 7:06pm: Can you quote me? "Islamists in Indonesia can say whatever they want about Islam" (or words to the effect).

;D

I know, laughable thing to say in hindsight eh FD?

Here you go FD, the full quote:


freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 9:49am:

You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on.

The reality:

- Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech".
- Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam
- The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme

Moslems, are they? I blame Islam.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme

"The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme"

How can it be ??!!


Every form [flavour] of ISLAM, has its basis and doctrinal foundation, in the life and sayings of Mohammed [the war lord], in the words of the Koran, and the commands from the mouth of Allah;
to hate disbelievers, and to fight and to kill disbelievers who reject ISLAM.

There is no 'moderate' ISLAM.


And describing some moslems as followers of an 'extreme ISLAM', because their actions are cruel and violent towards non-moslems, is simply deceitful.

Every 'flavour' of ISLAM encourages hatred of, and the persecution of, disbelievers who reject ISLAM.

Even the ISLAM being practiced in Indonesia.



WWW search....
Bosch Fawstin: No More Misnomers: We Need to Stop Playing Name Games with Islam
By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 29, 2019
".....Western intellectuals and commentators refer to the enemy’s ideology as:
“Islamic Fundamentalism,”
“Islamic Totalitarianism,”
“Islamic Extremism,”
“Islamofascism,”
“Political Islam,”
“Militant Islam,”
“Bin Ladenism,”
“Islamonazism,”
“Radical Islam,”
“Islamism”, etc."

[  true.
that which hates us, that which seeks to assail and to destroy us....
it is just ISLAM,    mainstream, ISLAM.  period.

name the enemy.   .....and then understand what and who, the enemy is.  ]





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As per the informed declarations of    ISLAMIST    President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.



Quote:

May 23, 2007 Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As 'A Huge Lie': 'Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah'; 'One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607



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Quote:

Erdogan: No Moderate Islam    [Erdogan = = President of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan] by Burak Bekdil December 4, 2017 at 4:30 am ....Seven years after Obama's pathetic diagnosis [of ISLAM], the Turkish president said that.... "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam."

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11484/erdogan-moderate-islam

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 11:45am:

I know, laughable thing to say in hindsight eh FD?

Tell us a serious thing then - which of the tenets and doctrines of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia are wrong and un-Islamic?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 11:45am:

I know, laughable thing to say in hindsight eh FD?

Tell us a serious thing then - which of the tenets and doctrines of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia are wrong and un-Islamic?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme

Do you agree with the Indonesian Government which bans the Hizbis or with the Australian government which doesn't?

What is wrong with Hizbi doctrine and teaching? Do teach us.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3^rd, 2019 at 12:02pm:

Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme

Can you give an example?

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 12:02pm: Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme Can you give an example?

I have given you several already.

Here's just one:


Quote:

Musician Ahmad Dhani was sentenced to 18 months in prison by South Jakarta District Court on Monday for hate speech in connection with a tweet he posted in March that incited people to attack supporters of former Jakarta governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, who now prefers to be called “BTP” but who was formerly known as “Ahok”.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/01/28/ahmad-dhani-gets-18-months-for-insulting-ahok-supporters.html

Also, do you think that he fact that Hizbut tahrir - a known Islamist political group - is banned in Indonesia is consistent with your claim that "Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want"?

gandalf,

Kudos, for a good and meaningful answer, in Reply #20.


...but a pity about all of the many other worthy queries [and criticisms of ISLAM], which you simply chose to ignore.

I guess there aren't enough hours in the day, to address them all.       [laugh]

Yadda wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

gandalf, Kudos, for a good and meaningful answer, in Reply #20. ...but a pity about all of the many other worthy queries [and criticisms of ISLAM], which you simply chose to ignore. I guess there aren't enough hours in the day, to address them all.       [laugh]

With respect Yadda, I don't really see any compelling reason why I should engage with someone who wants laws passed to lock me and my family up in indefinite detention.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 3:27pm:

With respect Yadda, I don't really see any compelling reason why I should engage with someone who wants laws passed to lock me and my family up in indefinite detention.

Your argument is undefendable, unbelieveable.


'I'm a moslem,       ....but i reject the principle religious precept of my religion - WHICH CALLS FOR MURDEROUS VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE WHO REJECT MY RELIGION.'



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I'm arguing, that every moslem in Australia, needs to be removed from Australia;

Because imo, ISLAMIC culture is not compatible with, and will never be compatible with, a pluralist society or with any form of governance [of a society of men] which allows freedom of conscience.

Why so.... ?

The precepts and doctrines and tenets of ISLAM call for the murder of anyone who rejects ISLAM.

No amount of denials from any follower of ISLAM, can erase the validity of those ISLAMIC sources of evidences,
encouraging such murderous intolerance, towards those who reject ISLAM.


ARGUMENT;
For moslems to come into secular nations and for them to individually claim that,
1/ they know nothing of,
OR,
2/ that they deny any allegiance to, those religious doctrines of violence and murder, targeting non-moslems,
....simply points to how mendacious ISLAMIC culture is.



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WWW search....
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."




Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, non-moslem Australians, should be forced to accept and believe the incredible;


"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"             ;D



Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.



ARGUMENT;
A moslem, is a person who      chooses     to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches the moslem that it is 'lawful' for him, to kill those, who do not believe, as he believes.

A moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.


That is what a moslem is.





Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.         <---- dictionary definition.


Every moslem, is a moslem!

Every moslem, is a follower of ISLAM!




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1

Quote:

"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac" - Yadda QUESTION; What about the innocent moslems ? IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems. How so [logically] ? QUESTION; How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ? QUESTION; How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 11:37am:

freediver wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 12:02pm: Here you go FD, the full quote: freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 9:49am: You seem completely oblivious to what is going on here Gandalf. Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want. People who offer progressive interpretations of Islam get put in jail, very publicly. The government is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia towards the extreme, and you are cheering them on. The reality: - Indonesia extremists are routinely charged and gaoled for what they say about Islam - under the charge of "hate speech". - Islamist groups including Hizbut tahrir are banned for what they say about Islam - The government therefore is transparently steering debate about Islam in Indonesia away from the extreme Can you give an example? I have given you several already. Here's just one: Quote: Musician Ahmad Dhani was sentenced to 18 months in prison by South Jakarta District Court on Monday for hate speech in connection with a tweet he posted in March that incited people to attack supporters of former Jakarta governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, who now prefers to be called “BTP” but who was formerly known as “Ahok”. https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/01/28/ahmad-dhani-gets-18-months-for-insulting-ahok-supporters.html Also, do you think that he fact that Hizbut tahrir - a known Islamist political group - is banned in Indonesia is consistent with your claim that "Islamic extremists in Indonesia can say whatever they want"?

What did he say about Islam?

You could always read it yourself FD.

He said people supporting blasphemers should be spat on.

I have no doubt you'll make a heroic attempt to explain that as something other than saying something about Islam.

Also, lets not forget your original quote was not about Islam. It was that Islamic extremist can "say whatever they like" full stop.

Would you consider this an Islamic extremist being able to "say whatever he liked" (full stop)?

I also eagerly await you're explanation about how you interpret banning Hizbut tahrir as Islamic extremsits being able to say whatever they like. But I expect you'll keep ignoring this one for a while longer.

Quote:

He said people supporting blasphemers should be spat on.

That doesn't sound like he is saying anything about Islam. Can you give any actual examples?

Nearly called it... FD just didn't bother with the explaining part.

This is where we are at.

FD says that an Islamist calling blasphemers to be spat on - "doesn't sound like he is saying anything about Islam".

Where do you go after that? There really isn't any adequate response.

We have arrived at peak stupid, and it is simply pointless to continue.

I won't even bother chasing FD up for his continued dodging of my Hizbut tahrir question. I won't ask him a 3rd time.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

This is where we are at. FD says that an Islamist calling blasphemers to be spat on - "doesn't sound like he is saying anything about Islam". Where do you go after that? There really isn't any adequate response. We have arrived at peak stupid, and it is simply pointless to continue. I won't even bother chasing FD up for his continued dodging of my Hizbut tahrir question. I won't ask him a 3rd time.

It's basically party politics, Gandalf. FD will defend his party of bigots and Islamophobes even if they do the wrong thing.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

This is where we are at. FD says that an Islamist calling blasphemers to be spat on - "doesn't sound like he is saying anything about Islam". Where do you go after that? There really isn't any adequate response. We have arrived at peak stupid, and it is simply pointless to continue. I won't even bother chasing FD up for his continued dodging of my Hizbut tahrir question. I won't ask him a 3rd time.

What did he actually say Gandalf?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2019 at 3:27pm:

Yadda wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 11:45am: gandalf, Kudos, for a good and meaningful answer, in Reply #20. ...but a pity about all of the many other worthy queries [and criticisms of ISLAM], which you simply chose to ignore. I guess there aren't enough hours in the day, to address them all.       [laugh] With respect Yadda, I don't really see any compelling reason why I should engage with someone who wants laws passed to lock me and my family up in indefinite detention.

As if the caliphate was preferable to the rest of us.....

Oh come on!

I'm sure that gandalf just wants us all to live together, in harmony and with respect for each other,
just like.....






IMAGE....
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/sheik.jpg

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'


image source....
http://sheikyermami.com/

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:27pm: Yadda wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 11:45am: gandalf, Kudos, for a good and meaningful answer, in Reply #20. ...but a pity about all of the many other worthy queries [and criticisms of ISLAM], which you simply chose to ignore. I guess there aren't enough hours in the day, to address them all.       [laugh] With respect Yadda, I don't really see any compelling reason why I should engage with someone who wants laws passed to lock me and my family up in indefinite detention. As if the caliphate was preferable to the rest of us.....

Sorry Frank, but are you drawing a moral equivalence to what Yadda wants to do to me and my family by referencing the implementation of the caliphate - as if thats my default position?

Because if you are, it is wrong and offensive. I have no interest or the least bit of support in introducing the caliphate anywhere.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

I have no interest or the least bit of support in introducing the caliphate anywhere.

What about Sharia law, you got and interest in seeing that in Australia Gandalf?

Another question of mine in another thread you haven't answered yet - Should muslims stand for judges in court rooms?

Gandalf?

Bias_2012 wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm: I have no interest or the least bit of support in introducing the caliphate anywhere. What about Sharia law, you got and interest in seeing that in Australia Gandalf? Another question of mine in another thread you haven't answered yet - Should muslims stand for judges in court rooms?

Because I can guess the extent of your knowledge of what "sharia law" means is amputations and stoning.

So I'll do my usual spiel about how true sharia law has nothing to do with all that and the true sharia is purely personal and spiritual...

you'll then retort that to enough muslims it means amputations and stoning - and therefore my version is either dishonest or irrelevant.

I'll say 'yeah, nah', and on and on in circles we'll go.

Did you really want to do that little dance Bias? Believe me, I've done it enough times to feel I've earned a rest  :)

Quote:

my version is either dishonest or irrelevant.

I wonder what the millions of rape torture and murder victims of islam, from the time of muhammads first soft target (the trade caravans) through to todays little kids at school etc., would think of your version gandi?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 5:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm: I have no interest or the least bit of support in introducing the caliphate anywhere. What about Sharia law, you got and interest in seeing that in Australia Gandalf? Another question of mine in another thread you haven't answered yet - Should muslims stand for judges in court rooms? Because I can guess the extent of your knowledge of what "sharia law" means is amputations and stoning. So I'll do my usual spiel about how true sharia law has nothing to do with all that and the true sharia is purely personal and spiritual... you'll then retort that to enough muslims it means amputations and stoning - and therefore my version is either dishonest or irrelevant. I'll say 'yeah, nah', and on and on in circles we'll go. Did you really want to do that little dance Bias? Believe me, I've done it enough times to feel I've earned a rest  :)

Well, what about Abu? He used to ignore FD all the time.

Google: taqiyya.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 5:18pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:57pm: I have no interest or the least bit of support in introducing the caliphate anywhere. What about Sharia law, you got and interest in seeing that in Australia Gandalf? Another question of mine in another thread you haven't answered yet - Should muslims stand for judges in court rooms? Because I can guess the extent of your knowledge of what "sharia law" means is amputations and stoning. So I'll do my usual spiel about how true sharia law has nothing to do with all that and the true sharia is purely personal and spiritual... you'll then retort that to enough muslims it means amputations and stoning - and therefore my version is either dishonest or irrelevant. I'll say 'yeah, nah', and on and on in circles we'll go. Did you really want to do that little dance Bias? Believe me, I've done it enough times to feel I've earned a rest  :)

The Pew society has done some interesting surveys on what Muslims think shariah law is. The answer was "tough titties, off with their heads".

FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view.

It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though.

What does give me the right to accuse you of being wrong?

Also, you never told us what they actually said.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though.

What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for?

Frank wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for?

Good question, dear boy.

You?

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 8:02pm:

Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You?

I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong.


Any other questions?

Frank wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions?

Yes, dear chap. Why are you posting this?

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 8:33pm:

Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions? Yes, dear chap. Why are you posting this?

Why are you posting anything, Paki?  To parade that you are a British, honky, shiteating arse bandit with a Paki heart?

Or what?


Sometimes a question is the answer.

Frank wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 9:21pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:33pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions? Yes, dear chap. Why are you posting this? Why are you posting anything, Paki?  To parade that you are a British, honky, shiteating arse bandit with a Paki heart? Or what? Sometimes a question is the answer.

Oh, I know. Thanks for your answer, dear chap.

Ever get the feeling you're a British Honky shiteating arse bandit with a Lutheran heart?

Spit it out, old boy. Be brave.

Frank wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions?

Sorry Frank, you seem to have mistaken me for a reformer.

I merely go about my day practicing my peaceful and tolerant version of Islam - and responding to questions and falsehoods about my religion as I choose.

Karnal wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 9:34pm:

Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:21pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:33pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions? Yes, dear chap. Why are you posting this? Why are you posting anything, Paki?  To parade that you are a British, honky, shiteating arse bandit with a Paki heart? Or what? Sometimes a question is the answer. Oh, I know. Thanks for your answer, dear chap. Ever get the feeling you're a British Honky shiteating arse bandit with a Lutheran heart? Spit it out, old boy. Be brave.

stop it K!  ;D ;D

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions? Sorry Frank, you seem to have mistaken me for a reformer. I merely go about my day practicing my peaceful and tolerant version of Islam - and responding to questions and falsehoods about my religion as I choose.

Which parts of the Koran and Mohammed's example have you rejected in order to make yourself peaceful and tolerant?

We should be told.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:02pm: Frank wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:11am: FD I have never denied that my version is probably a minority view. It doesn't give you the right to say that I am being dishonest, or even wrong though. What is the ORGANISATION that you represent or speak for? Good question, dear boy. You? I am NOT pretending to reform Islam, ShiteatingfrikkenPakimong. Any other questions? my version of Islam - my religion as I choose.

Well, that's why you are a nobody and count for nothing in Islam. You are the irrelevant, useless tiny minority.  A completely un-Islamic Mohamedan convert with zero infuelnce, zero cred among the Muslimss who ARE driving Islam in the world today.
They probably tolerate you because you are a weirdo convert. You'll do for the hardcore Jihadis as a useful idiot waging keyboard jihad at Ozpolitic.  Out of sight, out of mind, Influencing Karnal and Bwian.

Carry on.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gandalf do I have the right to accuse you of being wrong?

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 9:24pm:

Gandalf do I have the right to accuse you of being wrong?

Smite you, dhimmi!!!  How very dare you???


No infidel is allowed to criticise the Koran, Mohammed, Islam (no Muslims either, for that matter).  Dhimmis must FEEL subdued. None of this questioning stuff. Be glad you are alive, son of dogs.


And so forth.


There is a hierarchy under Islam. None of this multicultural BS. Muslims on top, then subdued and humiliated dhimmis, paying extra for not being murdered (the jizya), then all the murdered others like 'polytheists' and 'atheists', then everyone else except sex slaves and other slaves.

And of course, more sex slaves in 'paradise'. Mohammed DID leave his mark on Islam, no? 'I'll jizz ya!', he said. (Back, Karnal BACK!!)

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 9:24pm:

Gandalf do I have the right to accuse you of being wrong?

I see you are latching on to this. Good for you.

To clarify, I didn't literally mean you had no right to, I meant you can't credibly do it. It is in fact a common turn of phrase.

Sorry for the (non) confusion.  :)

Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility?

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility?

Not you, FD.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility?

Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;)

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;)

As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic.

The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan.

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2019 at 7:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;) As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic. The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan.

Oh yes, I could not agree more.

Have you ever heard a credible argument from FD? Ever?

Abu was credible. G's credible. Bwian and the Tjurd are more cwedible.

Superior culture, innit.

Karnal wrote on May 17^th, 2019 at 9:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 7:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;) As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic. The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan. Oh yes, I could not agree more.

Of course you couldn't.  It's  the blindingly obvious truth.

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:50pm: Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 7:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;) As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic. The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan. Oh yes, I could not agree more. Of course you couldn't.  It's  the blindingly obvious truth.

The blindingly obvious truth, dear boy, is that we grew here, you flew here. I've never been to Pakistan in my life, no Paki relatives, never even known any Pakis. I'm as PB as you are - less.

You did, after all, attend the prestigious University of Balogney, didn't you, dear?

Blindingly obvious intelligence and integrity, innit.

Karnal wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 2:27pm:

Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:00pm: Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:50pm: Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 7:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;) As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic. The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan. Oh yes, I could not agree more. Of course you couldn't.  It's  the blindingly obvious truth. I've never been to Pakistan in my life, no Paki relatives, never even known any Pakis.

But Pakistan has been in you many times.  And you know pakis only biblically, not personally?

Frank wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 5:03pm:

Karnal wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 2:27pm: Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:00pm: Karnal wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:50pm: Frank wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 7:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm: freediver wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 12:50pm: Is it possible for anyone to accuse you of being wrong with any credibility? Of course. I must say though I can't recall you ever doing so  ;) As a Muslims you would not take correction in matters of Islam from an unclean infidel. That would be un-Koranic. The unclean infidel dhimmi must feel chastised before the superior Mohammedan. Oh yes, I could not agree more. Of course you couldn't.  It's  the blindingly obvious truth. I've never been to Pakistan in my life, no Paki relatives, never even known any Pakis.  But Pakistan has been in you many times.  And you know pakis only biblically, not personally?

Not at all, dear boy, but do you know?

I happen to know a mendacious old boy who likes Danish. We've inseminated him many times. He's a real old breeder.

It's not racist or sexist or anything - far from it. The silly old fool always says ah, bless him.

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2019 at 12:08am:

who likes Danish

I like Danish myself, actually. The cherry flavour in particular.

Auggie wrote on May 19^th, 2019 at 11:04am:

Karnal wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 12:08am: who likes Danish I like Danish myself, actually. The cherry flavour in particular.

Ever tried the stool? To die for.

protocol is:

muzzies throw stoolies from high buildings, leftards avert their gaze out of respect for muzzies.