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Never-Before-Seen Trump Tax Documents Show Major Inconsistencies Documents obtained by ProPublica show stark differences in how Donald Trump’s businesses reported some expenses, profits and occupancy figures for two Manhattan buildings, giving a lender different figures than they provided to New York City tax authorities. The discrepancies made the buildings appear more profitable to the lender — and less profitable to the officials who set the buildings’ property tax. For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017. He also gave conflicting occupancy figures for one of his signature skyscrapers, located at 40 Wall Street. Lenders like to see a rising occupancy level as a sign of what they call “leasing momentum.” Sure enough, the company told a lender that 40 Wall Street had been 58.9% leased on Dec. 31, 2012, and then rose to 95% a few years later. The company told tax officials the building was 81% rented as of Jan. 5, 2013. A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are “versions of fraud,” said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. “This kind of stuff is not OK.” New York City’s property tax forms state that the person signing them “affirms the truth of the statements made” and that “false filings are subject to all applicable civil and criminal penalties.” The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offenses that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FI45BfSefE “Certainly, if I were sitting in a prosecutor’s office, I would want to ask a lot more questions,” said Anne Milgram, a former attorney general for New Jersey who is now a professor at New York University School of Law. Trump has previously been accused of manipulating numbers on his tax and loan documents, including by his former lawyer, Cohen. But Trump’s business is notoriously opaque, with records rarely surfacing, and up till now there’s been little documentary evidence supporting those claims. That’s one reason that multiple governmental entities, including two congressional committees and the office of the Manhattan district attorney, have subpoenaed Donald Trump’s tax returns. Trump has resisted, taking his battles to federal courts in Washington and New York. And so the question of whether different parts of the government can see the president’s financial information is now playing out in two appeals courts and seems destined to make it to the U.S. Supreme Court. Add to that a Washington Post account of an IRS whistleblower claiming political interference in the handling of the president’s audit, and the result is what amounts to frenetic interest in one person’s tax returns. ProPublica obtained the property tax documents using New York’s Freedom of Information Law. The documents were public because Trump appealed his property tax bill for the buildings every year for nine years in a row, the extent of the available records. We compared the tax records with loan records that became public when Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, sold the debt on his properties as part of mortgage-backed securities. ProPublica reviewed records for four properties: 40 Wall Street, the Trump International Hotel and Tower, 1290 Avenue of the Americas and Trump Tower. Discrepancies involving two of them — 40 Wall Street and the Trump International Hotel and Tower — stood out.

Link: https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

Cohen, in the service of Trump, went to jail for doing this sort of thing on behalf of Trump.

And all of this is just for 4 buildings.

What will his Tax Returns show?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

i would hope so.

the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington

Excuse me?

The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump.

Troll on somewhere else.

So apparently two sets of books. One for tax and one for lenders. Better to show lenders improved figures if you want to keep them at bay.

Now all you have to do is show which is false. ;)

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington

Exactly. The noble capitalists should let Fat Steve and Janeen pay for it.

To he who has all, more shall be given, no?

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 1:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else.

aquascoot has no respect for the law.

He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 1:10pm:

So apparently two sets of books. One for tax and one for lenders. Better to show lenders improved figures if you want to keep them at bay. Now all you have to do is show which is false. ;)

Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes?

Great idea, I'm all in too.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 1:50pm:

Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes?

Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud.

Everything about Donald Trump and his life is a fraud/fake/deception.

Marriages

Businesses

Height

Weight

IQ

Medical Records

School Records

Hair

Religion

Military Service

Employee records

Why would his tax documents be any different?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

Everything about Donald Trump and his life is a fraud/fake/deception. Marriages Businesses Height Weight IQ Medical Records School Records Hair Religion Military Service Employee records Why would his tax documents be any different?

agreed.

and yet he is in the white house with the whole world reacting to his every move and you are on ozpolitics with a few lefties nodding their head in your direction.

you should study that for about 5 years  :D :D :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 1:14pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so.

julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites.
most men of action are rule breakers by definition

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:50pm: Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes? Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud.

There's only one way to find out, audit his business and tax records.  We already have his former Lawyer in jail for cooking the books and he has testified how widespread it was, so there is just cause.

And your passive aggressive use of "petal" I think warrants an EatShitAndDie in return :)

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

And your passive aggressive use of "petal" I think warrants an EatShitAndDie in return

Whatever floats your boat petal.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so. julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites. most men of action are rule breakers by definition

Jeffrey Epstein was a man of action, and he was always breaking the rules.

Were you a fan?

Donald Trump was.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so. julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites. most men of action are rule breakers by definition

Exactly. Julia's Caesar got rid of the Republic and put the Caesars in power. Why can't they do that in America? The whole American constitution thing is a load of old boots.

Great men - Manafort, Mike Cohen, Epstein, those four Ukrainians the elites just arrested - the leftards just want to bring them down, so unfair. These men live in a different realm to Fat Steve and Janeen, who wouldn't know a Lebanese cucumber from a McDonalds pickle, it's ridiculous.

Mr Trump's friends have taste. Luxury yachts, gold toilets, fake Renoirs, you name it. While Fat Steve and Janeen sit out on their porches complaining all day, Mr Trump's go-getting friends live the good life. Well, they did before the elites got to them, anyway.

No, as you've always said, there should be different laws for awesome men like the Donald. Bring back the Roman Empire, I say.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 4:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so. julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites. most men of action are rule breakers by definition Jeffrey Epstein was a man of action, and he was always breaking the rules. Were you a fan? Donald Trump was.

He was a great guy who liked his women, even if a lot of them were a little on the young side.

And the leftards just want to bring them down. Typical.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

lee wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 2:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:50pm: Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes? Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud. There's only one way to find out, audit his business and tax records.  We already have his former Lawyer in jail for cooking the books and he has testified how widespread it was, so there is just cause. And your passive aggressive use of "petal" I think warrants an EatShitAndDie in return :)

Not possible, Sad. They're under audit now - that's why Mr Trump can't release them.

He'd like to, but the accountants keep bossing him around. What can you do?

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:50pm: Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes? Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud.

You are a dickhead!!!

From the OP....

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The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offences that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate

.

Lying to a lender is fraud....Perhaps you could show us where there is an exception for Donald Trump....Once again you prove you are an idiot!!!

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https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/mortgage-fraud

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 4:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so. julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites. most men of action are rule breakers by definition Exactly. Julia's Caesar got rid of the Republic and put the Caesars in power. Why can't they do that in America? The whole American constitution thing is a load of old boots. Great men - Manafort, Mike Cohen, Epstein, those four Ukrainians the elites just arrested - the leftards just want to bring them down, so unfair. These men live in a different realm to Fat Steve and Janeen, who wouldn't know a Lebanese cucumber from a McDonalds pickle, it's ridiculous. Mr Trump's friends have taste. Luxury yachts, gold toilets, fake Renoirs, you name it. While Fat Steve and Janeen sit out on their porches complaining all day, Mr Trump's go-getting friends live the good life. Well, they did before the elites got to them, anyway. No, as you've always said, there should be different laws for awesome men like the Donald. Bring back the Roman Empire, I say.

I don't think you understand just home important it is to have a group of rich people in society.

I'll bet most readers on here have a flat screen TV.

Probably 2 or 3

Did you ever think to thank people like Donald for that?

A new technology comes out and we rely on the noble rich to pay exorbitant prices for this technology.
And then, thanks to scaling manufacturing, Steve and janeen can buy one in 10 years for orders of magnitude less .

The noble rich, guys like Donald , are always sacrificing themselves like this so Steve and janeen can have luxury items.
Steve and janeen should weep tears of joy they live in a capitalist society.
If they lived in some commie hole, they would still be watching a big fat black and white cube TV,

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 5:12pm:

Lying to a lender is fraud..

Yes petal. And if he maintains the payments required what would they do?

Take him to court and say "he defrauded me"? The response "has he been paying you"?
"Yes". Gets laughed out of court.


philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 5:12pm:

The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant,

What would be the possible penalty if he is making  the payments? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Poor petal, so far out of his comfort zone he got lost.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:12pm: Lying to a lender is fraud.. And if he maintains the payments required what would they do? Take him to court and say "he defrauded me"? The response "has he been paying you"? "Yes". Gets laughed out of court. philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:12pm: The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, What would be the possible penalty if he is making  the payments?

The act of obtaining financial advantage by misstatement or misrepresentation is the fraud....It has nothing to do with the loan repayments!!!


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Mortgage Fraud Mortgage fraud is a sub-category of FIF. It is crime characterized by some type of material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission in relation to a mortgage loan which is then relied upon by a lender. A lie that influences a bank’s decision—about whether, for example, to approve a loan, accept a reduced payoff amount, or agree to certain repayment terms—is mortgage fraud. The FBI and other entities charged with investigating mortgage fraud, particularly in the wake of the housing market collapse, have broadened the definition to include frauds targeting distressed homeowners.

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https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/mortgage-fraud

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:50pm: Are you suggesting an open investigation into Trump's businesses to go along with his Taxes? Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud.

Think you have it the wrong way around.

If the false numbers went to the government is is tax evasion. If the wrong numbers went out to his lenders then it is fraud and if the wrong numbers went to his investors it is some different crime.

The one common factor is that it is not legal to falsify your books to gain a financial advantage by deception.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

If the wrong numbers went out to his lenders then it is fraud and if the wrong numbers went to his investors it is some different crime.

And if he is making good on the payments it is no fraud. The lender is getting what he wanted - principle and interest or interest only.


Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:

The one common factor is that it is not legal to falsify your books to gain a financial advantage by deception.

If he is making the payments required then he has not gained a financial advantage.

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

A lie that influences a bank’s decision—about whether, for example, to approve a loan, accept a reduced payoff amount, or agree to certain repayment terms—is mortgage fraud.

has any lender been so influenced?

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 6:16pm: A lie that influences a bank’s decision—about whether, for example, to approve a loan, accept a reduced payoff amount, or agree to certain repayment terms—is mortgage fraud. has any lender been so influenced?

Deflection will not change the fact you were wrong as usual!!!


lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

Jumping to conclusions petal. If it was the lenders that the books were wrong for and he maintained the payments there is no fraud.

You are such a dickhead!!!

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lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:46pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 6:16pm: A lie that influences a bank’s decision—about whether, for example, to approve a loan, accept a reduced payoff amount, or agree to certain repayment terms—is mortgage fraud. has any lender been so influenced?

If you are intimating that they haven't which I believe you are by the phrasing of your question, then it means he was dishonest and defrauded the tax department.

Come on Lee, clearly you are smarter than this. I used to think you genuinely were looking for the sensible centre, but now you just go out of your way to defend Trump.

Like I said, you're clearly a smart guy, you can see the truth about Trump but you still play these games.

What is so lacking in your life that you need the gratification from your trolling?

I give you kind one chance for compassion and this is yours. I'm being genuine, I hope you can find a more healthy way to feel meaning and fulfilment.

Red pulling isn't the answer, you might think so but you're only setting yourself up for a huge and disappointing let down.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 6:28pm: If the wrong numbers went out to his lenders then it is fraud and if the wrong numbers went to his investors it is some different crime. And if he is making good on the payments it is no fraud. The lender is getting what he wanted - principle and interest or interest only. Dnarever wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 6:28pm: The one common factor is that it is not legal to falsify your books to gain a financial advantage by deception. If he is making the payments required then he has not gained a financial advantage.

He is well know for not paying his bills ?

aquascoot wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 5:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 4:49pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 3:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:14pm: SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 1:04pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 12:58pm: i would hope so. the noble capitalist businessman has a moral obligation to keep as much money as possible out of the hands of the reprehensible political elite in washington Excuse me? The rule of law really doesn't matter to those who support Trump. Troll on somewhere else. aquascoot has no respect for the law. He has said many, many times in this forum that he admires people who break the law and he even encourages others to do so. julius ceasar stood on the banks of the rubicon and "broke the law' as he led his army to rome to take on the ruling elites. most men of action are rule breakers by definition Exactly. Julia's Caesar got rid of the Republic and put the Caesars in power. Why can't they do that in America? The whole American constitution thing is a load of old boots. Great men - Manafort, Mike Cohen, Epstein, those four Ukrainians the elites just arrested - the leftards just want to bring them down, so unfair. These men live in a different realm to Fat Steve and Janeen, who wouldn't know a Lebanese cucumber from a McDonalds pickle, it's ridiculous. Mr Trump's friends have taste. Luxury yachts, gold toilets, fake Renoirs, you name it. While Fat Steve and Janeen sit out on their porches complaining all day, Mr Trump's go-getting friends live the good life. Well, they did before the elites got to them, anyway. No, as you've always said, there should be different laws for awesome men like the Donald. Bring back the Roman Empire, I say. I don't think you understand just home important it is to have a group of rich people in society. I'll bet most readers on here have a flat screen TV. Probably 2 or 3 Did you ever think to thank people like Donald for that? A new technology comes out and we rely on the noble rich to pay exorbitant prices for this technology. And then, thanks to scaling manufacturing, Steve and janeen can buy one in 10 years for orders of magnitude less . The noble rich, guys like Donald , are always sacrificing themselves like this so Steve and janeen can have luxury items. Steve and janeen should weep tears of joy they live in a capitalist society. If they lived in some commie hole, they would still be watching a big fat black and white cube TV,

I know. I'm so grateful Mr Trump's standing up to those dirty Chinese Commies. It's sucked 2% from our own forecast GDP growth, but it's good to know Mr Trump's go-getting friends will make things right in another 10 years or so.

Mr Trump's campaign manager's doing 7, but his lawyer should be out in 3 - with good behaviour.

Still, it'll take the leftards 5 years to learn all this, so a decade should be good. Do you want to tell them, or should I?

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 6:05pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:12pm: Lying to a lender is fraud.. Yes petal. And if he maintains the payments required what would they do? Take him to court and say "he defrauded me"? The response "has he been paying you"? "Yes". Gets laughed out of court. philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 5:12pm: The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, What would be the possible penalty if he is making  the payments? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Poor petal, so far out of his comfort zone he got lost.

Quote:

What would be the possible penalty if he is making  the payments?

Most contracts like this are defaulted if there is untruth in the application.

Trump spent half his time in the courts for refusing to make his payments and has been bankrupt a number of times because he makes his payments not.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

If you are intimating that they haven't which I believe you are by the phrasing of your question, then it means he was dishonest and defrauded the tax department.

And then you have proof of that.

one or the other petal. heads/tails.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Most contracts like this are defaulted if there is untruth in the application.

defaulted by the lendor or lendee?

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

I used to think you genuinely were looking for the sensible centre, but now you just go out of your way to defend Trump.

Really? Where have I defended him?

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 7:58pm:

He is well know for not paying his bills ?

oh. A question. Who has the answer?

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

Deflection will not change the fact you were wrong as usual!!!

I was wrong in law. has he been shown  to have illegally influenced the lenders.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 7:56pm: If you are intimating that they haven't which I believe you are by the phrasing of your question, then it means he was dishonest and defrauded the tax department. And then you have proof of that. one or the other petal. heads/tails.

The two sets of books don't match. What more proof do you need?

He defrauded one or the other. If you suggest it wasn't in the pursuit of bank loans, it only leaves one conclusion.

If you believe he was honest with the tax department then he defrauded the lenders.

Until we look into his books and know which one, it's Schrodinger's Fraud.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 7:56pm: I used to think you genuinely were looking for the sensible centre, but now you just go out of your way to defend Trump. Really? Where have I defended him?

Full of questions aren't you...

Interesting

https://youtu.be/REMOC7vBLRY

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2019 at 10:00pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 17th, 2019 at 7:56pm: I used to think you genuinely were looking for the sensible centre, but now you just go out of your way to defend Trump. Really? Where have I defended him?

Not once, Lee. You've always spoken up for democracy and the rule of law.

LOCK HER UP, no?

If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing

It shows that he is cunning and sneaky and gets a head by hook or by crook

Just the sort of person you want running your country
When you are dealing with the Chinese the EU and the middle East

They are all governed by sneaky cunning manipulative types
And it's about time America had a street fighter and a brawler who would take the fight to them on their own terms

I'm sure a goody two shoes like Obama did his taxes perfectly
And then let the good old USA get thoroughly screwed over buy foreign powers

There's a new sheriff in town
His name is Donald trump
And he puts America first
God bless you Mr President
Truly the superior man

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 7:02am:

If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing

You've lost it Aqua.

LOCK HIM (and scoot) UP!

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 7:02am: If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing You've lost it Aqua. LOCK HIM (and scoot) UP!

It shows that the noble Donald sees the nobel businessman as being at the top of the dominance hierarchy and not bureaucracy

Donald understands the correct order of things

The noble businessman is the wealth creator and must be allowed to get on with wealth creation unencumbered by the chodes in the bureaucracy

The bureaucracy the civil service the public service should really be there to serve help aid the noble businessman to expand his business and make the the company and therefore the country more awesome
This is how you make America great
Great companies
Great successful companies
Winning winning winning
They are going to win so much

You don't make a country great by having awesome tax collectors
That is a kin 2 saying you make a yacht fast by having an awesome anchor

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 9:39am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 8:30am: aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 7:02am: If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing You've lost it Aqua. LOCK HIM (and scoot) UP! It shows that the noble Donald sees the nobel businessman as being at the top of the dominance hierarchy and not bureaucracy Donald understands the correct order of things The noble businessman is the wealth creator and must be allowed to get on with wealth creation unencumbered by the chodes in the bureaucracy The bureaucracy the civil service the public service should really be there to serve help aid the noble businessman to expand his business and make the the company and therefore the country more awesome This is how you make America great Great companies Great successful companies Winning winning winning They are going to win so much You don't make a country great by having awesome tax collectors That is a kin 2 saying you make a yacht fast by having an awesome anchor

You can't just pick and choose when you want laws to apply to someone...

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 7:02am: If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing You've lost it Aqua. LOCK HIM (and scoot) UP!

He never had it to lose.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 7:02am:

If trump is shown to be cheating on his taxes this is a great thing It shows that he is cunning and sneaky and gets a head by hook or by crook Just the sort of person you want running your country When you are dealing with the Chinese the EU and the middle East They are all governed by sneaky cunning manipulative types And it's about time America had a street fighter and a brawler who would take the fight to them on their own terms I'm sure a goody two shoes like Obama did his taxes perfectly And then let the good old USA get thoroughly screwed over buy foreign powers There's a new sheriff in town His name is Donald trump And he puts America first God bless you Mr President Truly the superior man

I agree, dear. It shows the masterful Donald is prepared to lie and cheat in his own self-interest. It shows he likes to get one over Uncle. He'll do anything to get more money to show the Forbes Rich List each year.

This is perfectly understandable. Mr Trump has learned from adversity, the good old "evolutionary blowtorch". Mr Trump has suffered great poverty and misfortune in his time. At one point, he was even considering melting down his gold elevator.

Thank God last-minute benefactors came through. Imagine having to get to the penthouse in stainless steel.

Never again, dear, and you're right. Mr Trump is putting these skills to bear as pres. He's making foreign aid conditional on getting his enemies' kids. He's making his staff stay in his hotels. He's hosting the G7 in one of his elite country clubs to boost its revenue. He's even moved troops from Syria to Saudi Arabia to keep his business in Turkey going.

Such noble self interest is good for everyone. It means more jobs for illegals, more ratings for the FAKE news, and more power for Erdogan and Putin. It really puts Trump properties on the map.

The Ukrainian president should feel inspired to learn at the feet of the master. All he has to do is hand over some fake email server and pin a couple of drugs charges on Joe Biden's son. Most leaders would do this for nothing, but the Ukraine benefit by having their military aid restored. Who could ask for more than that?

You can have a society administered by chodes that panders to chodes and that doesn't create much wealth. I suppose there would be some equality in that
Everyone would be equally mediocre

Or you can have a society where are the elite athletes in business are given free rein to be the elite athletes in business. That's going to create a lot of wealth
That's going to make the country great
If the chodes have trouble witnessing the awesomeness of the elite athlete
Then I would say the problem lies with the mental state of the chode

The chode has simply found it easier to be lazy bitter resentful and a crybaby then to
Get into the arena with the elite athletes and compete

That's totally understandable
The chode is after all happier to cower in the corner and cover himself with a sheet

So nobody should pay tax and get free money from banks then Scoot?

Or just Trump because you idolise him so much and whenever he's caught doing something wrong, lying or breaking the law you try to normalise his behaviour or change the rules to applud his actions, even if you've attacked others for doing the same thing in the past...

i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law.

say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want.

but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term.

now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up.

you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo.
thats no way to run a hierachy

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law. say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want. but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term. now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up. you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo. thats no way to run a hierachy

It's not the majority.

You just can't seem to get that through your head, can you?

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 10:24am:

You can have a society administered by chodes that panders to chodes and that doesn't create much wealth. I suppose there would be some equality in that Everyone would be equally mediocre Or you can have a society where are the elite athletes in business are given free rein to be the elite athletes in business. That's going to create a lot of wealth That's going to make the country great If the chodes have trouble witnessing the awesomeness of the elite athlete Then I would say the problem lies with the mental state of the chode The chode has simply found it easier to be lazy bitter resentful and a crybaby then to Get into the arena with the elite athletes and compete That's totally understandable The chode is after all happier to cower in the corner and cover himself with a sheet

Exactly. Obama sucked up to America's chode allies. Mr Trump wants to restore the great Russian and Turkish and Saudi powers.

Who's the elite athlete here?

You know as well as I do, dear.

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law.

No, he is not THE LAW, he is bound by the law and the constitution.

Obama or Clinton (Bill) were offered no such "you're President, you can do what you want".


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say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want. but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term. now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up. you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo. thats no way to run a hierachy

Polls show not only do the majority of Americans want him impeached, but they also want him removed from office too.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 12:29pm: i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law. say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want. but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term. now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up. you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo. thats no way to run a hierachy It's not the majority. You just can't seem to get that through your head, can you?

Yes, but we're talking about the majority of the elite athletes. You know, men like Mr Trump.

Who cares about what the chodes think? We're talking about the real Americans.

Remember, to he who has all more shall be given.

5 years is the minimum, Greggery.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 12:29pm: i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law. No, he is not THE LAW, he is bound by the law and the constitution. Obama or Clinton (Bill) were offered no such "you're President, you can do what you want". Quote: say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want. but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term. now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up. you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo. thats no way to run a hierachy Polls show not only do the majority of Americans want him impeached, but they also want him removed from office too.

Moreover, the majority of voters in November 2016 didn't vote for him to be their POTUS.

No matter how much twisting and bullshitting aquascoot does, he can't get around the fact that most Americans don't like Trump and they don't want him as their President.



(Now, this is where aquascoot changes the subject and tries to make everyone forget that he's 100% wrong about Trump's popularity by saying "Yes, but he's the President and that's all that matters".)

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2019 at 3:12pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 1:44pm: aquascoot wrote on Oct 18th, 2019 at 12:29pm: i really cant see how you can accuse trump of breaking the law when he has legitimately climbed to the top of the dominance hierachy , and, as such, the democracy has deemed that he "is" the law. No, he is not THE LAW, he is bound by the law and the constitution. Obama or Clinton (Bill) were offered no such "you're President, you can do what you want". Quote: say what he is doing and then vote him out if you want. but as gweg admits , he will probably win another term. now if the majority of americans are willing to let the donald just be 'the donald" and get on with doing as he pleases, then the lefties will just have to suck it up. you cant have a bunch of privates and corporals going into the officers mess and telling the officers who is who in the zoo. thats no way to run a hierachy Polls show not only do the majority of Americans want him impeached, but they also want him removed from office too. Moreover, the majority of voters in November 2016 didn't vote for him to be their POTUS. No matter how much twisting and bullshitting aquascoot does, he can't get around the fact that most Americans don't like Trump and they don't want him as their President.

Excuse me, Greggery, it really doesn't matter what the chodes think about Mr Trump. These people live lives of pure garbage. Remember, Mr Trump's the president. That's all that matters.

Mr Trump is free to watch TV, play golf and promote his elite country clubs and resorts. He can do whatever he wants.

Kiss them, grab them by the pussy, he doesn't even need to ask. When you're a star, the let you do it.

Mr Trump has put the "noble capitalists" in power. He stands up for the elite athletes: Mr Putin, Saudi sheikhs, Ukrainian oligarchs and Trump donors.

You know, real Americans.