IntergovernmentalPanel on Climate Change

right?

And what do governments always want to do?

Control people.......

and what's the best way to do that?

Fear, Emotion with religious zeal

that's what your Climate Science is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8JZo6PzpCU

The religion of Climate Change  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3hHi4sylxE

FEAR!    means PANIC.....they thrive on it!

we have come a long way since the beginning of the Industrial revolution  its taken a while but look where we are?....

Aviation for one making a HUGE change to our lives...


ooops we mustnt mention that.... its all part of the PANIC we have now found ourselves in...

funny how it takes all these years  for man to destroy our CLIMATE.....[1 -2 hundred years]yet for some unknown reason the experts.... yes that means our very own ozpol ones...

think we can undo something that took us years to create   in what 10 YEARS maybe...  ::)  I think thats the number Greta hit us with.... :-/

I find it baffling to be honest.....

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 7:44am:

IntergovernmentalPanel on Climate Change right? And what do governments always want to do? Control people....... and what's the best way to do that? Fear, Emotion with religious zeal that's what your Climate Science is.

Nice conspiracy theory

The problem is that climate change is accepted by the worlds scientists and is evidenced by the worlds retreating glaciers.

It's only the right wing loonies who have made it political

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 8:10am:

funny how it takes all these years  for man to destroy our CLIMATE.....[1 -2 hundred years]yet for some unknown reason the experts.... yes that means our very own ozpol ones... think we can undo something that took us years to create   in what 10 YEARS maybe...  ::)  I think thats the number Greta hit us with.... :-/ I find it baffling to be honest.....

It's always funny when people who have no idea about science try to argue against climate change by misrepresenting the argument  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cods no one is ever saying that we will get back to the CO₂ levels of before the industrial revolution. that simply won't happen.
All we can do now is harm minimization. The current target is to keep Global Warming to 2 degrees.
Personally I doubt we will be able to do that, especially due to government paralysis caused by conservative lobby groups

I Promote Crazy Conspiracies....

Was just reading an article aimed at debunking a 'denialist' - and the words used were 'even if this occurs' - IF - I thought the 'science' was absolute..... no IFs or BUTs ... and apparently some glaciers are growing .... who knows..

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 10:32am:

I Promote Crazy Conspiracies.... Was just reading an article aimed at debunking a 'denialist' - and the words used were 'even if this occurs' - IF - I thought the 'science' was absolute..... no IFs or BUTs ... and apparently some glaciers are growing .... who knows..

No, science is not absolute. there are always plenty of IFs and BUTs.
The science confirms that if humans continue to pump additional CO₂ into the atmosphere it will cause warming. There is debate about some of the detail but the overall mechanisms of Global Warming are sound and well understood.

As for the glaciers, a small number sometime advance due to local conditions but the vast majority have been receding for the past 100 years

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 9:45am:

The problem is that climate change is accepted by the worlds scientists and is evidenced by the worlds retreating glaciers.

Climate change is real. it has change since forever. Glaciers have advanced and retreated many times.


The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 9:45am:

It's only the right wing loonies who have made it political

You mean like Michael E Mann? Naomi Oreskes? ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:01am:

The science confirms that if humans continue to pump additional CO2 into the atmosphere it will cause warming.

With the important rider "all things remaining equal". Why do alarmists forget that bit? ;)

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:12am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 11:01am: The science confirms that if humans continue to pump additional CO2 into the atmosphere it will cause warming. With the important rider "all things remaining equal". Why do alarmists forget that bit? ;)

So you are agreeing that additional CO₂ will cause warming.
I'm going to hang onto this quote of yours in preparation for when you do your inevitable back flip  ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:19am:

So you are agreeing that additional CO2 will cause warming.

Where have I said it didn't? Direct quote please.

Now the question remains - How Much? ;)

And don't forget the important rider. ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:24am:

And don't forget the important rider. ;D ;D ;D ;D

There is no rider
Higher CO₂ levels will cause it to be warmer than it would otherwise be with lower CO₂ levels.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:45am:

There is no rider

You don't read much, do you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL

ATHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING IS B@LLSHIT..!!

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 11:45am: There is no rider You don't read much, do you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

I stand by my statement.
I suspect you are a bit confused . Just like you are about the meaning of "natural variation"  ;D ;D

For those that have smarts but not a good understanding of the science.

That fact that we will be saved only and only if we establish a carbon derivatives market paying for the free air we breathe above our country on the stock market.

And the fact that we can keep on sending CO2 into the atmosphere while doing so, must tell you something.

Doomed if you don't pay on wall street.

BUT

Its OK when you pay to keep on polluting.

Wake TFU..................... :D

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

So let's spend billions of dollars on something that probably won't occur. Money that could be better spent elsewhere.

Mitigation if you want. Air conditioners for all. FREE.

Climate change is real even sceptics acknowledge this FACT...!

Climate change has been happening since the Earth formed into a planet and will continue until the Earth gets swallowed up by our sun when it becomes a red giant (Kal Al and Kryptonite..... ;)).

What the sceptics disagree on is that human emissions are solely responsible for the current warming.

The climate moves in cycles as history shows, we have cool periods and warm periods nothing to do with the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Yes CO2 up to a certain point keeps us warm, keeps the Earth up around 14°C, past that point of saturation the effective warming of CO2 becomes logarithmic and just about negligible.

The writing should be on the wall for anyone with half a brain or even some smarts.

If we are going to reach that magical 3°C increase in global mean temperature that those computer models predicted back in 1990 then we should be a certain plateau by now.

Of course today after 29 years since 1990 we haven't reached this magical certain plateau that the computer models predicted and so the "HIATUS" raises its ugly head.

And we all know by now that if your predictions (computer model predictions) don't match your observations what is happening in nature (empirical data).

Then your predictions are WRONG........!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8habYTfHU

https://i.ibb.co/1T5t8wv/AGW.jpg

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:00pm:

I stand by my statement.

One only has to look at one of your preferred sources - SKS

"First of all, there is no real-world situation, in which only CO2 increases, all else remaining equal."

So even SKS uses the phrase, although to decry it. But they must have got it from somewhere. ;)

Of course if you look at the postulated effect of CO2 on temperature at the top of the range 4.5ºC the increase since 1880 would have been a maximum of 0.69ºC

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 11:54am: An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea. So let's spend billions of dollars on something that probably won't occur. Money that could be better spent elsewhere. Mitigation if you want. Air conditioners for all. FREE.

"Probably won't occur" - is this the same thing that everyone - skeptics included - insist always happens?

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:08pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:00pm: I stand by my statement. One only has to look at one of your preferred sources - SKS "First of all, there is no real-world situation, in which only CO2 increases, all else remaining equal." So even SKS uses the phrase, although to decry it. But they must have got it from somewhere. ;)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are hilarious lee
You've realised that you are wrong and are now busily back peddling and creating a diversion.
classic lee  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 9:45am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 7:44am: IntergovernmentalPanel on Climate Change right? And what do governments always want to do? Control people....... and what's the best way to do that? Fear, Emotion with religious zeal that's what your Climate Science is. Nice conspiracy theory The problem is that climate change is accepted by the worlds scientists and is evidenced by the worlds retreating glaciers. It's only the right wing loonies who have made it political

And they're all on the payroll & jockeying for more money.

And obviously you didn't watch any of the vidoes that showed scientists & climatology scientists that refute the claims of your "worlds" scientists.

And no that's where you're wrong ... it's leftwing loonies that have made it .... no demanded it be political.

Hence your Inter "Governmental" Panel on Climate Change.

Looks like the word governmental escaped your attention also.  ::)

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:12pm:

"Probably won't occur" - is this the same thing that everyone - skeptics included - insist always happens?

So give us the odds of it happening? ;D ;D ;D ;D

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:34pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:12pm: "Probably won't occur" - is this the same thing that everyone - skeptics included - insist always happens? So give us the odds of it happening? ;D ;D ;D ;D

I still have no idea what you are rambling about Lee.

An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:01am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 10:32am: I Promote Crazy Conspiracies.... Was just reading an article aimed at debunking a 'denialist' - and the words used were 'even if this occurs' - IF - I thought the 'science' was absolute..... no IFs or BUTs ... and apparently some glaciers are growing .... who knows.. No, science is not absolute. there are always plenty of IFs and BUTs. The science confirms that if humans continue to pump additional CO2 into the atmosphere it will cause warming. There is debate about some of the detail but the overall mechanisms of Global Warming are sound and well understood. As for the glaciers, a small number sometime advance due to local conditions but the vast majority have been receding for the past 100 years

Watch the videos then refute their arguments.

As the host says they asked Climate Change advocates & scientists to debate them  .... no one came.

The host asked Al Gore to come & debate the issue ..... he would not come.

There is even a scientist interviewed who said she was convinced that climate change science was proven ....  until she questioned some methodology they were using as being dishonest ... they got angry with her ....she lost her job ...

sounds a lot like Dr. Peter Ridds experience at the hands of James Cook University over his refutation of their Great Barrier Reef assessments & figures of damage.

Climate Change ....... the new Fluoride Science, the new Tobacco science, the new DDT science, the new asbestos science, the new Thalidomide science.  ::) ::) 

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You've realised that you are wrong and are now busily back peddling and creating a diversion.

Not at all petal.

So if all things don't remain equal we will get to 120% of atmosphere?

We know the climate models (long they be praised) don't do clouds well. They parametrize them. Climate models vary many things. If they vary many thing then "All else" doesn't remain equal.

The sceptical science blog

IS ANYTHING BUT SCEPTICAL....!

They like no other promote the Anthropogenic Global Warming science as though it was flawless.

When their emails got hacked it was revealed that these guys have aspirations to become algorians.

Knighted by Al Gore for their outstanding propaganda in selling this religion, cause its all based on faith rather than actual science.

https://i.ibb.co/L91XXZD/SS1.jpg

The climate change prophet himself...... :) ;) :D

https://i.ibb.co/TwPmFcd/Al-Gore-Prophet.png

"Photosynthesis increases with increasing CO 2 following a Michaelis−Menton curve, and this effect grows stronger at higher temperatures, implying, all else being equal, larger effects in warmer climates (9–11), especially in the tropics."

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/2/436?etoc=&utm_content=buffer47939&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

I still have no idea what you are rambling about Lee.

You should have stopped at "I still have no idea". ;)

Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth summary report released in 2007 candidly expressed the priority. Speaking in 2010, he advised, “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.”

Or, as U.N. climate chief Christina Figueres pointedly remarked, the true aim of the U.N.’s 2014 Paris climate conference was “to change the [capitalist] economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.”

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:41pm: I still have no idea what you are rambling about Lee. You should have stopped at "I still have no idea". ;)

It's OK Lee, this is about as much as I expect from climate skeptics these days. I'm guessing you have no idea what you are rambling about either.

An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 2:23pm:

An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

And why is that petal?

We will NOT have runaway global warming, the oceans will not boil away.

We currently experience a greater than 2ºC change in temperature daily and without ill effect.

Even if we warmed by an extra 0.5ºC ( we have apparently already experienced about 1ºC), it won't make much difference. Melbourne would increase from an average about 22ºC to 22.5ºC.  ;)

Historically, climate change has been a harbinger of the apocalypse.

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 2:23pm:

lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 1:04pm: freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:41pm: I still have no idea what you are rambling about Lee. You should have stopped at "I still have no idea". ;) It's OK Lee, this is about as much as I expect from climate skeptics these days. I'm guessing you have no idea what you are rambling about either. An idiot's guide to risk management: let's do nothing at all until we all agree beyond certainty that continuing to do nothing is a really stupid idea.

it could work?  isnt this all about experiment after all?..

when is greta going to China  and even India for that matter  and giving them a serve.... :) :)

it will all make more sense when that happens. :D :D


btw less population of some countries might help, who knows???? :(

Quote:

it could work?  isnt this all about experiment after all?

Apparently it is unethical to experiment on live people.

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 3:17pm:

Historically, climate change has been a harbinger of the apocalypse.

When exactly? Cooling or warming?

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 3:44pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 3:17pm: Historically, climate change has been a harbinger of the apocalypse. When exactly? Cooling or warming?

both

betty wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 3:46pm:

both

They postulate cold killed the dinosaurs.

The warm periods saw humanity flourishing.

So what was the warm period that was so bad?

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - )

::) ::) ::)

https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

lee wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 3:54pm:

betty wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 3:46pm: both They postulate cold killed the dinosaurs. The warm periods saw humanity flourishing. So what was the warm period that was so bad?

they starved to death....scientist think they know everything...


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freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 3:43pm:

Quote: it could work?  isnt this all about experiment after all? Apparently it is unethical to experiment on live people.

when did greta say that?...did she put her hand up  to save us all.....and was knocked back???... >:( >:( >:(

really!!! how bloody ethical is that?....

what a good human being she is   offering to sacrifice oneself  for the betterment of mankind......

well thats special...I take back all those nasty things i have said about her..........you know about her being sad and aging fast...... :( :( :(

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 5:45pm:

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge. Daniel J. Boorstin (1914 - ) ::) ::) ::) https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Good ole SKS the poor man's version of Chinese Whispers. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

But it is good that you admit your illusion of knowledge. ;)

Let’s not pollute minds with carbon fears
IAN PLIMER
As soon as the words carbon footprint, emissions, pollution, and decarbonisation, climate emergency, extreme weather, unprecedented and extinction are used, I know I am being conned by ignorant activ¬ists, populist scaremonger¬ing, vote-chasing politicians and rent seekers.
Pollution by plastics, sulphur and nitrogen gases, particulates and chemicals occurs in developing countries. That’s real pollution. The major pollution in advanced economies is the polluting of minds about the role of carbon dioxide. There are no carbon emissions. If there were, we could not see because most carbon is black. Such terms are deliberately misleading, as are many claims.
But then again, we should be used to this after the hysteria about the Great Barrier Reef bleaching that has really been occurring for hundreds of years, fraudulent changing of past weather records, the ignoring of data that shows Pacific islands and the Maldives are growing rather than being inundated, and unsubstantiated claims polar ice is melting. By ignoring history and geology, any claim of unusual weather can be made sensational.
We’ve had reefs on planet Earth for 3500 million years. They came and went many times. The big killer of reefs was because sea level dropped and water temperature decreased. In the past, reefs thrived when water was warmer and there was an elevated carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere. Reef material is calcium carbonate, which contains 44 per cent carbon dioxide. Reefs need carbon dioxide; it’s their basic food.
We are not living in a period of catastrophic climate change. The past tells us it’s business as usual.
It has never been shown that human emissions of carbon dioxide drive global warming.
Climate models have been around 30 years. They have all failed. Balloon and satellite measurements show a disconnect from climate model predictions. If they have failed across the past 30 years when we can compare models with measurements, there is little chance that the climate projections across the next 50 years will be more successful. Modellers assume carbon dioxide drives climate change. It does not. The role of the sun and clouds was not considered important by modellers. They are the major drivers for the climate on our planet.
We emit a trace atmospheric gas called carbon dioxide at a time in planetary history of low atmospheric carbon dioxide. The geological history of the planet shows major planetary climate changes have never been driven by a trace gas. Just because we are alive today does not mean we change major planetary systems that operated for billions of years. Earth’s climate dances to rhythms every day, every season and on far larger lunar, ocean, solar, orbital, galactic and tectonic cycles. Climate change is normal and continual. When cycles overlap, climate change can be rapid and large. Sporadic events such as supernovas and volcanic eruptions can also change climate.
The main greenhouse gas is water vapour. It is the only gas in air that can evaporate, humidify and condense into clouds that precipitate rain, hail and snow. These processes involve a transfer of energy, and water vapour makes the atmosphere behave like a giant airconditioner. Carbon dioxide is a non-condensable atmospheric gas like nitrogen and oxygen. Water vapour in air varies depending on temperature and location from five times the atmospheric carbon dioxide content in deserts to more than 100 times in the tropics. Water is 12 times more effective than carbon dioxide with respect to all incoming and outgoing radiation.
Earth is unevenly heated. Our spinning oblate globe is influenced by two fluids of different composition and behaviour moving chaotically against each other over the irregular solid surface of the planet. Oceans hold most of the planet’s surface heat, not the atmosphere. Processes that occur during sunlight do not occur at night due to the prime driver of our planet’s surface temperature: the sun.
Carbon dioxide is plant food. It is neither a pollutant nor a toxin. Without carbon dioxide, all life on Earth would die. Plants convert carbon dioxide, water and sunlight during photosynthesis into sugars, cellulose, fruit, vegetables and grains, which animal life uses as food. Marine organisms also take up and use carbon dioxide. Plants need almost three times today’s carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere to thrive. For decades horticulturalists have pumped carbon dioxide into glasshouses to increase yields. The fossil record shows that a thriving and diversification of plant and animal life occurs every time the atmosphere had a very high carbon dioxide content. In the past, warming has never been a threat to life on Earth. Why should it be now? When there is a low atmospheric carbon dioxide content, especially during very cold times, life struggles.
For the past 500 million years, the atmospheric carbon dioxide content has been decreasing and if we halved today’s atmospheric carbon dioxide content, all life would die. This carbon dioxide has been removed into the oceans and is sequestered into coral, shells, limey sediments and muds and on the land into coals, muds, soils and vegetation.

Air contains 0.04 per cent carbon dioxide. We add carbon compounds to our bodies from food and drinks and exhale carbon dioxide. The human breath contains at least 4 per cent carbon dioxide. Our bodies contain carbon compounds. If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.
In our lifetime, there has been no correlation between carbon dioxide emissions and temperature. On a larger scale, the ice caps show that after a natural orbitally driven warming, atmospheric carbon dioxide content increases 800 years later. Rather than atmos¬pheric carbon dioxide driving temperature, it is the opposite. Geology shows us again there is no correlation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature. Each of the six major past ice ages began when the atmospheric carbon dioxide content was far higher than at present. The thought that a slight increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide will lead to unstoppable global warming is demonstrably wrong.
In the past decade China has increased its carbon dioxide emissions by 53 per cent, 12 times Australia’s total carbon dioxide output of 1.3 per cent of the global total. The grasslands, forests, farms and continental shelves of Australia absorb far more carbon dioxide than we emit. The attack on emissions of the gas of life is an irrational attack on industry, our modern way of life, freedoms and prosperity. It has nothing to do with the environment.
Emeritus professor Ian Plimer’s latest book is The Climate Change Delusion and the Great Electricity Ripoff (Connor Court).

Gnads wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 7:44am:

IntergovernmentalPanel on Climate Change right? And what do governments always want to do? Control people....... and what's the best way to do that? Fear, Emotion with religious zeal that's what your Climate Science is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8JZo6PzpCU

NASA guarrantees 100% that their Planetary Salvation of finding New Worlds will be a success in Saving Humanity from this weak and finite World that is starting to 'die'.

New Worlds Await You.

Just give your Money to Science and not Religion, for only Science - not God, can save you. With Science and its Champion NASA will show you the way from this 'doomed' world called Earth.
Time to leave the womb, the placenta is almost out of juice.
All these 'RESOURCES' are there to be used. We must maximise total use of the World, if we are to succeed.

If we stay here - we will 'wither' like an Aboriginal in a hot dried out world of isolation.
Oh wait - the Aboriginals actually lived a sustainable lifestyle that even Religion's Garden of Eden mythology, would be proud.
...it only looked like a wasteland of deserts and poor resources to White People when they arrived... like people from another planet.

So DONATE NOW to NASA!!!!


>>>>>>>>>>meanwhile, the 'Rest of the World' gather at a Restaurant at the End of the Universe at #42 Adams Street in at least 42 places around England.
There they come in FEAR of this world being destroyed.

>>>>>>>>>>Because to treat the World as such, is like treating your Wife. Do you intend 'Murder' then?<<<<<<

Good post Frank.

And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste.


Quote:

If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.

Jasin wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 6:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 23rd, 2019 at 7:44am: IntergovernmentalPanel on Climate Change right? And what do governments always want to do? Control people....... and what's the best way to do that? Fear, Emotion with religious zeal that's what your Climate Science is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8JZo6PzpCU NASA guarrantees 100% that their Planetary Salvation of finding New Worlds will be a success in Saving Humanity from this weak and finite World that is starting to 'die'. New Worlds Await You. Just give your Money to Science and not Religion, for only Science - not God, can save you. With Science and its Champion NASA will show you the way from this 'doomed' world called Earth. Time to leave the womb, the placenta is almost out of juice. All these 'RESOURCES' are there to be used. We must maximise total use of the World, if we are to succeed. If we stay here - we will 'wither' like an Aboriginal in a hot dried out world of isolation. Oh wait - the Aboriginals actually lived a sustainable lifestyle that even Religion's Garden of Eden mythology, would be proud. ...it only looked like a wasteland of deserts and poor resources to White People when they arrived... like people from another planet. So DONATE NOW to NASA!!!! >>>>>>>>>>meanwhile, the 'Rest of the World' gather at a Restaurant at the End of the Universe at #42 Adams Street in at least 42 places around England. There they come in FEAR of this world being destroyed. >>>>>>>>>>Because to treat the World as such, is like treating your Wife. Do you intend 'Murder' then?<<<<<<

The only thing that should be dying is the climate change hoax.

Don't ask me to donate to NASA ..... I've already had my bit chipped in for me .... without my permission ...

Scumo gave them $150 million.

Carbon dioxide is not killing the planet.

It is the gas of life.

Gullibility & deception are doing more damage.

Gnads wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 6:58am:

Carbon dioxide is not killing the planet. It is the gas of life. Gullibility & deception are doing more damage.

Gnads
I suggest you do a bit of research on the science because clearly you have no idea  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gnads wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.

Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics.

Another one just for you Barney.

"The most  recent  calculations of the infra-red flux in the  region of the 15 micron CO, band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6” C if  the C02 concentration in the atmosphere is  doubled  and decreases 3.8’ C if  the CO, amount is halved,  provided  that no other factors  change  which  influence the radiation  balance."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x

Gilbert Plass

Or "all else remaining equal". ;)

Quote:

What does IPCC stand for?

https://i.ibb.co/KxgjWpJ/ipcc3.jpg

Read more here

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/about-the-ipcc/

Maurice Strong, Climate crook

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2010/01/discovering-maurice-strong/

lee wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 10:52am:

Another one just for you Barney. "The most  recent  calculations of the infra-red flux in the  region of the 15 micron CO, band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6” C if  the C02 concentration in the atmosphere is  doubled  and decreases 3.8’ C if  the CO, amount is halved,  provided  that no other factors  change  which  influence the radiation  balance." https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x Gilbert Plass Or "all else remaining equal". ;)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So if the factors DO change it just means that the temperature changes will be slightly different to 3.6 degrees.
It doesn't mean that CO₂ will suddenly stop warming.
Really lee, you are just embarrassing yourself now

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Still not convinced  Anthropogenic Global Warming is a faith rather than a science.

Watch this and then tell me what you think....?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmDeqrTemBg

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

So if the factors DO change it just means that the temperature changes will be slightly different to 3.6 degrees. It doesn't mean that CO2 will suddenly stop warming. Really lee, you are just embarrassing yourself now

You were the one saying there was "no rider". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

How much is slightly petal? ;)

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 9:29am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:58am: Carbon dioxide is not killing the planet. It is the gas of life. Gullibility & deception are doing more damage. Gnads I suggest you do a bit of research on the science because clearly you have no idea  ;D ;D ;D ;D

What makes oxygen ? - A. plants

What do plants require to feed on & photosynthesize? - b. carbon dioxide.



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In a process called “photosynthesis,” plants use the energy in sunlight to convert CO2 and water to sugar and oxygen. The plants use the sugar for food—food that we use, too, when we eat plants or animals that have eaten plants — and they release the oxygen into the atmosphere.

Yes of course Carbuncle whatever you say.  ::)

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 10:51am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:53am: Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics.

Don't be ridiculous FD...... the hysterical Henny Penny world is collapsing nonsense if squarely in the court of those of the Church of Climate Change.

Gnads wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 1:10pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:53am: Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics. Don't be ridiculous FD...... the hysterical Henny Penny world is collapsing nonsense if squarely in the court of those of the Church of Climate Change.

So who posted this hysterical nonsense?


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If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.

Or is this what passes for common sense from a climate skeptic?

You gave up on rational debate years ago. Mindless hysterics is all you have left.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:52am: Another one just for you Barney. "The most  recent  calculations of the infra-red flux in the  region of the 15 micron CO, band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6” C if  the C02 concentration in the atmosphere is  doubled  and decreases 3.8’ C if  the CO, amount is halved,  provided  that no other factors  change  which  influence the radiation  balance." https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x Gilbert Plass Or "all else remaining equal". ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So if the factors DO change it just means that the temperature changes will be slightly different to 3.6 degrees. It doesn't mean that CO2 will suddenly stop warming. Really lee, you are just embarrassing yourself now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're a regular AGW shill barny clawing at anything to prove your distorted view of climate change.

Trying to pass of old Gil's 1951 study as the ultimate truth....??

Got to hand it to you alarmists / extremists, your like pit bulls latching on to anything that resembles your beliefs.

Modern climate studies carried out with more up to date methods and data suggest a warming of approximately 1°C if CO2 pre industrial levels were doubled, majority of scientist on both sides agree to this..

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https://notrickszone.com/2012/09/19/eike-institute-anthropogenic-greenhouse-effect-too-weak-doubling-co2-will-lead-only-to-0-58c-warming/

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 1:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:10pm: freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:53am: Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics. Don't be ridiculous FD...... the hysterical Henny Penny world is collapsing nonsense if squarely in the court of those of the Church of Climate Change. So who posted this hysterical nonsense? [quote]If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.

Or is this what passes for common sense from a climate skeptic?

You gave up on rational debate years ago. Mindless hysterics is all you have left. [/quote]

Listening to Maurice Strong followers spew out their propaganda will give you mindless hysterics FD as the evidence shows in your postings......... :D

Ajax wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:15pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:10pm: freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:53am: Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics. Don't be ridiculous FD...... the hysterical Henny Penny world is collapsing nonsense if squarely in the court of those of the Church of Climate Change. So who posted this hysterical nonsense? [quote]If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Or is this what passes for common sense from a climate skeptic? You gave up on rational debate years ago. Mindless hysterics is all you have left.

Listening to Maurice Strong followers spew out their propaganda will give you mindless hysterics FD as the evidence shows in your postings......... :D
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So you are so hysterical you have to go looking on the internet for something to get hysterical about?

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 2:22pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:15pm: freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:15pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:10pm: freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:53am: Good post Frank. And it would be good too if those of the Church of Climate Change took seriously this line - & followed through post haste. Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Typical of the mindless hysterics we always get from the skeptics. Don't be ridiculous FD...... the hysterical Henny Penny world is collapsing nonsense if squarely in the court of those of the Church of Climate Change. So who posted this hysterical nonsense? [quote]If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Or is this what passes for common sense from a climate skeptic? You gave up on rational debate years ago. Mindless hysterics is all you have left. Listening to Maurice Strong followers spew out their propaganda will give you mindless hysterics FD as the evidence shows in your postings......... :D

So you are so hysterical you have to go looking on the internet for something to get hysterical about?[/quote]

LOL...you better take your daily medication FD its starting to show.......LMFAO.

So what do you think of this?


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If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire.

Hysterical, or climate skeptic common sense?

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 2:29pm:

So what do you think of this? Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Hysterical, or climate skeptic common sense?

Better than that word "catastrophic" being bandied by the oligarchy owned media.

Catastrophic conditions......... :D

Is this the first time or the last.

Hysteria is part of the alarmists camp, make no mistake about that...... 8-)

Ajax wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:29pm: So what do you think of this? Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Hysterical, or climate skeptic common sense? Better than that word "catastrophic" being bandied by the oligarchy owned media. Catastrophic conditions......... :D Is this the first time or the last. Hysteria is part of the alarmists camp, make no mistake about that...... 8-)

So your hysteria is all relative?

freediver wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:39pm: freediver wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:29pm: So what do you think of this? Quote: If we were so passionately concerned about our carbon footprint, then the best thing to do is to expire. Hysterical, or climate skeptic common sense? Better than that word "catastrophic" being bandied by the oligarchy owned media. Catastrophic conditions......... :D Is this the first time or the last. Hysteria is part of the alarmists camp, make no mistake about that...... 8-) So your hysteria is all relative?

.............. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2sAkRnwbAw

lee wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 12:48pm: So if the factors DO change it just means that the temperature changes will be slightly different to 3.6 degrees. It doesn't mean that CO2 will suddenly stop warming. Really lee, you are just embarrassing yourself now You were the one saying there was "no rider". ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D How much is slightly petal? ;)

I did originally think you were a troll but now I just think that you are stupid. There is no other explanation for the drivel that you post

My comment was


The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2019 at 11:45am:

Higher CO2 levels will cause it to be warmer than it would otherwise be with lower CO2 levels.

nothing you have posted contradicts this

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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

The_Barnacle wrote Yesterday at 9:45am: Higher CO2 levels will cause it to be warmer than it would otherwise be with lower CO2 levels.

But what you posted today was -


The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 12:48pm:

So if the factors DO change it just means that the temperature changes will be slightly different to 3.6 degrees. It doesn't mean that CO2 will suddenly stop warming.

And it was you that posted there was "no rider" on CO2 theory. ;)


The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

nothing you have posted contradicts this

it depends on "how slightly" different. You do understand, don't you?

There is no quantification. The models still don't do clouds well. There are still more than 4 parametrisations in the models. ;)

"With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk." John von Neumann

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Mike O’Connor-October 21, 2019 8:00pm There are times when I feel like a stranger in my own country, the urge to scream in frustration all but overwhelming. My problem is that I’m not a believer. I don’t believe in man-made climate change and shake my head in bemusement at the people who are presently running through the streets screaming “climate emergency.” We now live in an age in which if something is said often enough by self-interested parties then it must be true. Anyone who attempts to voice a contrary view is howled down and branded a “denier.” No one dares to be different. Such is the desperate need to be accepted and on-trend that we will happily go along with any point of view which will be favourably viewed by social media. The intellectual laziness of the masses is as sad as it is tragic. We have become a nation of unthinking morons which unquestioningly accepts the views of self-anointed “experts” without wondering if their shouted declarations that the end is nigh might just be driven by the urgent need to justify their existence and get their hands on another research grant. To be a climate denier is to suffer eternal damnation but it is perfectly fine to be a democracy denier as witnessed by the fact that there are large numbers of very noisy people who still can’t accept that Donald Trump is President of the United States and Scott Morrison Prime Minister of Australia. They weren’t supposed to win. How did this happen? Apparently the Russians rigged the US elections but how Morrison managed to end up in The Lodge remains a mystery. The man’s a Christian, for God’s sake, and doesn’t believe that the world is about to end. Go figure. Nor do I believe that people who attempt to lie and cheat their way into the country should be allowed to settle here and struggle to understand why people like Minister for Home Affairs Peter Dutton is pilloried for doing what he is paid to do — protect our borders. My advice to those with bleeding heart tales who wish to live here? Get in the queue. Admitting that you admire Dutton for his forthrightness is, of course, akin to confessing to devil worship and not something you would dream of doing in the company of strangers lest you be set upon and tarred and feathered. I also have no time for the United Nations, a multi-billion dollar club which boasts among its members some of the great hypocrites and pontificators of our time and which seethes with corruption. Australia Day is three months distant so the non-indigenous among us must ready ourselves to be branded as white supremacists celebrating a bloody invasion. I don’t buy it. Instead of wasting energy moaning about historical wrongs, tackle the alcohol, drug and sexual abuse and poor parenting that denies so many indigenous children a shot at a better life. This is not a point of view that people publicly express because they know they will be denounced as being racists if they do so. So be it. Christmas in also coming but don’t mention Jesus or the birth of Christ lest in so doing, you offend someone and that would never do. I’ll continue to live, then, in my own little offensive, racist, climate denier world but I’ve a feeling that I am not alone. Please feel free to join me. Mike O’Connor is a columnist for The Courier-Mail.

The record of Climate Disaster Prediction.

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Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 8:36am:

The record of Climate Disaster Prediction.

You'd have to be nuts to back that donkey.

Captain Caveman wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 1:59am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 8:36am: The record of Climate Disaster Prediction. You'd have to be nuts to back that donkey.

Or hysterical ...... FD can't make up his mind which one .... perhaps he's both.

An I.diots P.erception C.limate C.hange

Climate Change?

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