Now I wonder how any parent could not have noticed a 2yr old & a 1yr old not being in the house with them for nearly 8 hrs?

Got to be victims of drug f*#ked parents....

2 littlies cooked inside a car ......

lock this bitch up & sterilise her.  >:(

Just like chemically castrating a serial rapist.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2019/11/24/double-murder-toddlers-car/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sunday%20Best%20-%2020191124

how could a neighbour claim to have seen them in the car 7 hours earlier and not do something about it??

I dont understand  even for two minutes its dangerous  wouldnt you knock on their door I know I would   

why just the mother? I thought both parents were at home...

such a cruel thing to have happened...

Apparently Mum was at her crack dealer's house and had spent the night and left the two girls in the car.

The neighbour may have seen the children earlier but not known how long they had been there & gone off to work.

Don't blame the neighbour the blame lays fully in the mothers court.

May she rot in jail. >:(

Gnads wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 8:33am:

Apparently Mum was at her crack dealer's house and had spent the night and left the two girls in the car. The neighbour may have seen the children earlier but not known how long they had been there & gone off to work. Don't blame the neighbour the blame lays fully in the mothers court. May she rot in jail. >:(

I havent read about the drugs....but as a neighbour had I seen two babies in a car left unattended    I would do something about it immediately......sorry if you think thats the wrong thing to do....

but its my instinct 

its time we prevented drug addict parents from breeding..

The link doesn't mention anything about drugs.

However parents like that should be hanged.

The mother has been charged with murder ... maybe a case of depression? Late onset post-natal depression type of thing?  :(

Remember when all those Yellow people left their kids in the cars to go off an play the Pokies.

Having children should be a privilege, not a right.

Mind you - many 'rich' people who can afford children, just treat them as 'pets' anyway too.

Would never, ever consider leaving my kids in the car.
When we fill up, one of us either stayed in the car when we paid, or we took the kids out with us.

Had a few arguments with impatient drivers.
But I was always big enough to stare them down.

Children are our to nurture, protect, teach and love
If you cannot fulfil even one of the above, you are not fit to be a parent.

Children are not a means to gain money from the grubberment.
Children are not sexual toys
Children are not an accessory

I believe that only those than can afford to be there with their children
Should be allowed to have them.

Harm my children or grandchildren.
I will eliminate you.

"The Logan property was also searched in 2016 – before the family moved in – in relation to the murder of Beenleigh schoolgirl Tiahleigh Palmer."

A house of infamy apparently. It's jinxed. They ought to knock it down and never build there again

The parents should be jailed for......LIFE....!

Queensland - Beautiful One Day - Filled With F*ckheads The Next....

Take all the children from drug addicted parents?  Another 'stolen generation' - Jesus God - can you imagine what the media would make of that one.... what a song and corroboree that would be... what a windfall for the Victimhood Community and a media intent on bringing this nation to its dumbed-down knees ......   ::)  ::)  ::)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 11:39am:

"The Logan property was also searched in 2016 – before the family moved in – in relation to the murder of Beenleigh schoolgirl Tiahleigh Palmer." A house of infamy apparently. It's jinxed. They ought to knock it down and never build there again

I was thinking along those lines last night - the town where I was born and raised is an evil place... always was - always will be.... and I dare to say that 50% or more of its inhabitants are insane - there are many Places of Evil in this nation.... I don't go near them unless I have to...

Perhaps you are right.... and this is a Place of Evil.

**Oh - Logan is one of those areas - my interest in it is passing by it and seeing it go past...

More reports saying that it's not the first time she's done this ... and it's not be the local crack dealers house ...... but definitely drugs involved in Mums neglect of these little ones.

Poor kids, they never grew up to get their first tattoos, disrupt a school class, get on the dole, become a drain on society, smoke their first bong, get assaulted at a party or take their first meths.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 4:10pm:

Poor kids, they never grew up to get their first tattoos, disrupt a school class, get on the dole, become a drain on society, smoke their first bong, get assaulted at a party or take their first meths.

Now that is taking blaming the victims to a whole new level

Spot

skanky fake blonde tramp stamped americanised TV media junkie.

Jasin wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

skanky fake blonde tramp stamped americanised TV media junkie.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

Edit - so you've seen her picture?

Gnads wrote on Nov 24^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

More reports saying that it's not the first time she's done this ... and it's not be the local crack dealers house ...... but definitely drugs involved in Mums neglect of these little ones.

I have yet to read one word on this.... perhaps you can provide us with the link....so far you seem to be the only one who has read this..

*****

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 8:55am:

I can't provide a link ... my SIL is a copper.

then I think you should be careful with those claims....

obviously she has been charged with murder.....so there is something more than an accident...the children look perfect int he pictures...no sign of neglect

how often have we heard of this type of tragedy happening?......far too often as far as I am concerned..

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:00am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 8:55am: I can't provide a link ... my SIL is a copper. then I think you should be careful with those claims.... obviously she has been charged with murder.....so there is something more than an accident...the children look perfect int he pictures...no sign of neglect how often have we heard of this type of tragedy happening?......far too often as far as I am concerned..

Try this ..... at the end of the clip it will tell you the woman was well known to Child Protective Sevices.

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSBrisbane/videos/739470936463593/UzpfSTEyMjE0MjA3NjY6MTAyMTYwMjczMTIyNTUyMzA/

What the children looked like isn't the question ....

it's obvious that that there must be a problem if she's a regular recipient of visits from child services ....

and that if as others have claimed she had a medical condition that gave her seizures or blackouts she wouldn't be able to drive a motor vehicle .....

so that's a cover up for a drug addiction.

You don't come home in the wee hours & leave the kids in the car, go inside, go to sleep & not surface until after midday & then realise where are the kids? Oh they're still in the car.  ::) ::) ::) ::)

I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that.....if she was wellknown to the authorities   .. then it makes me wonder about them .... once again..

I have always said   if this was the case and these were my grandkids  they would never have been left with a drug addict.....as the saying goes over my dead body....yet I am sure nothing will be said about  the rest of the family... >:( >:(   

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that.....

There are no reports of drugs being involved.

Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts".

Why they do that, I'm not really sure.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:46am:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure.

Actually cods, I'm wrong.

It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe.

Charged with, though.

She has not been convicted of any crime.

Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town.

My guess: Logan.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan.

if thats the case then the authorities have a case to answer as  far as I am concerned....and even the father of the eldest child.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away....

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. if thats the case then the authorities have a case to answer as  far as I am concerned....and even the father of the eldest child.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away....

Yes, the bit about the neighbour is very disturbing.

However, if it is in Logan (as I strongly suspect), it isn't really that surprising.

The newspaper also spoke to a woman who regularly babysat the girls who said there had been previous complaints to authorities about the children being left in the car.

Kerri-Ann Conley, 27, has been charged with two counts of murder and two drug-related charges.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mum-of-girls-who-died-in-hot-car-to-face-court-charged-with-murder/news-story/a7f0b4ae0a3e03f08b93a3f604337356

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:06am:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. if thats the case then the authorities have a case to answer as  far as I am concerned....and even the father of the eldest child.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... Yes, the bit about the neighbour is very disturbing. However, if it is in Logan (as I strongly suspect), it isn't really that surprising.

Qld doesnt have a great history regarding children in need of care.... does it??...

I feel sick it happens in this country... far too often.

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:06am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. if thats the case then the authorities have a case to answer as  far as I am concerned....and even the father of the eldest child.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... Yes, the bit about the neighbour is very disturbing. However, if it is in Logan (as I strongly suspect), it isn't really that surprising. Qld doesnt have a great history regarding children in need of care.... does it??... I feel sick it happens in this country... far too often.

Just heard on the radio Palache has asked for a report on what contact the family had with Dpt of Child safety.

Gordon wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:12am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:06am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. if thats the case then the authorities have a case to answer as  far as I am concerned....and even the father of the eldest child.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... Yes, the bit about the neighbour is very disturbing. However, if it is in Logan (as I strongly suspect), it isn't really that surprising. Qld doesnt have a great history regarding children in need of care.... does it??... I feel sick it happens in this country... far too often. Just heard on the radio Palache has asked for a report on what contact the family had with Dpt of Child safety.

they had better have some answers if she has left these kids in a car before....... why is it the courts never give the father custody.?

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:43am:

I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that.....if she was wellknown to the authorities   .. then it makes me wonder about them .... once again.. I have always said   if this was the case and these were my grandkids  they would never have been left with a drug addict.....as the saying goes over my dead body....yet I am sure nothing will be said about  the rest of the family... >:( >:(

If you reread - you will see I mentioned crackhouse as to where she & the car were ....

I addressed that in the next post as not being the case.

However she was out until the wee hours of the morning & came home parked car in front yard, left kids in car, went inside & flaked & woke up nearly 7 hrs later ... kids have cooked in car.

All suggestions are that she was at an icehouse prior to that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 9:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan.

Logan has been mentioned from the start ....

she was known to CPS & QPS

if it wasn't being drug affected - how do you explain a sober person coming home & leaving 2 toddlers locked in a car for 7 hrs?

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start ....

So, I was right.

Enough said.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:51am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said.

You didn't have to guess.

It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast.

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-mum-accused-of-murdering-two-daughters-also-facing-drug-charges-c-573235?fbclid=IwAR38RPhU8YDc_n1TQL-hXXr1tmsKuPpk5PlRm6tsFI_JTVEe83rLf5L2xSw

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast.

I did have to guess.

None of the reports I've read mention the town.

They all say "south of Brisbane".

It very well could have been Ballina too.

However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan.

It wasn't that hard to guess.

Logan is an absolute shithole.

Out of the link I posted above .... and in at least one of the other links I posted.


Quote:

Paramedics were called to a home at Waterford West in Logan, south of Brisbane, on Saturday afternoon but could not revive the one and two-year-old sisters.

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

Out of the link I posted above .... and in at least one of the other links I posted. Quote: Paramedics were called to a home at Waterford West in Logan, south of Brisbane, on Saturday afternoon but could not revive the one and two-year-old sisters.

I haven't read those articles, though.

"None of the reports I've read mention the town."

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 11:02am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole.

Logan Council boundaries make it a big place

quite a few different suburbs in Logan.

---

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan.

Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village.

I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way.

Right smack bang in the middle of it.

It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::)

---

Update -

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-sisters-left-to-die-in-hot-car-known-to-government-authorities-c-573415?fbclid=IwAR1K2y3Hrao2Z4n3Q5OQ-U-OV5wbruihlCqjtpX8_eTbvNMnV63RRBcGgp8

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 1:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::)

I'd have to be interested in order to do that.

Anyway, it's just as I suspected.

Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs).

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::) I'd have to be interested in order to do that. Anyway, it's just as I suspected. Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs).

does that include all the islanders and aborigines.

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 1:24pm:

Update - https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-sisters-left-to-die-in-hot-car-known-to-government-authorities-c-573415?fbclid=IwAR1K2y3Hrao2Z4n3Q5OQ-U-OV5wbruihlCqjtpX8_eTbvNMnV63RRBcGgp8

"Officers remained at the home on Sunday, piecing together what happened, as neighbours and community members left soft teddies and flowers at the front gate."

Yeah, that should fix it.

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:03am:

.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them....

Quote:

"Officers remained at the home on Sunday, piecing together what happened, as neighbours and community members left soft teddies and flowers at the front gate."

https://i.imgflip.com/3hgcv9.jpg

Does that snobby comment also include the aborigines and other ethnicities who live in Logan Pecca? Should we stay clear of them also or just the poor whites?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::) I'd have to be interested in order to do that. Anyway, it's just as I suspected. Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs). does that include all the islanders and aborigines.

Absolutely.

Islanders, aborigines, white people, Asians, Europeans, Americans - everyone should steer clear of Logan.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::) I'd have to be interested in order to do that. Anyway, it's just as I suspected. Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs). does that include all the islanders and aborigines. Absolutely. Islanders, aborigines, white people, Asians, Europeans, Americans - everyone should steer clear of Logan.

Pecca- Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs).


Isn't that a form of geographical bigotry? You haven't met all Logan people but you have thrown them all in the same basket. That's the same thing you are always banging on at us about. Hypocrisy 101.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 2:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::) I'd have to be interested in order to do that. Anyway, it's just as I suspected. Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs). does that include all the islanders and aborigines. Absolutely. Islanders, aborigines, white people, Asians, Europeans, Americans - everyone should steer clear of Logan. Pecca- Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs). Isn't that a form of geographical bigotry? You haven't met all Logan people but you have thrown them all in the same basket. That's the same thing you are always banging on at us about. Hypocrisy 101.

Do you see the comma, Jocko?

Between 'Villiage' and 'people'?

::)

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 2:21pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 2:17pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:46pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:42pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 12:37pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 11:02am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:55am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:51am: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:49am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:54am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:46am: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 9:43am: I am not saying   there is nothing wrong.....but you did claim she spent the night in a crack house...and I am saying I have not read a thing on that..... There are no reports of drugs being involved. Sometimes people like to make up their own "facts". Why they do that, I'm not really sure. Actually cods, I'm wrong. It's been reported that she was also charged with possessing dangerous drugs and possessing utensils or a pipe. Charged with, though. She has not been convicted of any crime. Also, the reports I've read only say that it happened "south of Brisbane" - no details of the actual town. My guess: Logan. Logan has been mentioned from the start .... So, I was right. Enough said. You didn't have to guess. It very well could have been Caboolture or Deception Bay or even the Gold Coast. I did have to guess. None of the reports I've read mention the town. They all say "south of Brisbane". It very well could have been Ballina too. However, once I saw 'single mum', 'drugs', 'neglect, 'apathetic neighbours', I knew it was Logan. It wasn't that hard to guess. Logan is an absolute shithole. Logan Council boundaries make it a big place quite a few different suburbs in Logan. Maybe I'm thinking of Logan Village. I don't see Waterford West on that map, by the way. Right smack bang in the middle of it. It wouldn't have taken long to find it if you tried. ::) I'd have to be interested in order to do that. Anyway, it's just as I suspected. Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs). does that include all the islanders and aborigines. Absolutely. Islanders, aborigines, white people, Asians, Europeans, Americans - everyone should steer clear of Logan. Pecca- Steer clear of Logan Village[highlight], people (and surrounding suburbs).[/highlight] Isn't that a form of geographical bigotry? You haven't met all Logan people but you have thrown them all in the same basket. That's the same thing you are always banging on at us about. Hypocrisy 101. Do you see the comma, Jocko? Between 'Villiage' and 'people'? ::)

You know what you wrote. Stay clear of the suburb, it's people and the surrounding suburbs. Apartheid philosophy.

https://i.imgflip.com/3hge7r.jpg

Pecca- Steer clear of Logan Village, people (and surrounding suburbs).



Pecca's apartheid philosophy.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:

You know what you wrote. Stay clear of the suburb, it's people and the surrounding suburbs. Apartheid philosophy.

I never mentioned the people of Logan.

You need a refresher course in basic English.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/08/fa/f408fa4d25b87490c022eb1c39ca8eff.jpg

You're a typical modern leftie Pecca. If it's white people you can say what you want. If it's anything else it's a sin. Rules for different groups. That's why the left is despised  by so many people.

https://i.imgflip.com/3hgeq8.jpg

pecca trying to be comedic in this thread.

the lack of self awareness of the leftie intellectual elite is astounding

though we must look on the bright side.

he hasnt managed to tie this in to a trump post....though that will probably be next  ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

pecca trying to be comedic in this thread.

Comedic?

There's nothing funny in any of my posts, you sick bugger.

You really need to take a good look at yourself buddy.

Defending alleged child rapists is one thing, but trying to score points from the death of two little kids is reprehensible.

i see the serial liar gweggary is at it again

tsk tsk  ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:00pm:

i see the serial liar gweggary is at it again tsk tsk  ::) ::)

If you find anything "comedic" in any of my posts in this thread, you have a serious problem buddy.

cods wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 10:03am:

.. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away....

I'm as shocked as you are.

I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic".

If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least).

I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle.

Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy.

What about the thoughts and prayers?

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 1:47pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:24pm: Update - https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-sisters-left-to-die-in-hot-car-known-to-government-authorities-c-573415?fbclid=IwAR1K2y3Hrao2Z4n3Q5OQ-U-OV5wbruihlCqjtpX8_eTbvNMnV63RRBcGgp8 "Officers remained at the home on Sunday, piecing together what happened, as neighbours and community members left soft teddies and flowers at the front gate." Yeah, that should fix it.

Is that all you could take out of that article? ::)

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:47pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 1:24pm: Update - https://7news.com.au/news/qld/queensland-sisters-left-to-die-in-hot-car-known-to-government-authorities-c-573415?fbclid=IwAR1K2y3Hrao2Z4n3Q5OQ-U-OV5wbruihlCqjtpX8_eTbvNMnV63RRBcGgp8 "Officers remained at the home on Sunday, piecing together what happened, as neighbours and community members left soft teddies and flowers at the front gate." Yeah, that should fix it. Is that all you could take out of that article? ::)

No.

It's one thing I took out of the article.

Something aquascoot finds "comedic".

I find it infuriating.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: .. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... I'm as shocked as you are. I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic". If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least). I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle. Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy. What about the thoughts and prayers? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg

The neighbour may have been on the way to work when they noticed

people tend to mind their own business when it comes to druggie neighbours

they probably didn't know how far the mother was away or when she had got home

it doesn't matter

the mother has killed these kids

not the neighbours not CPS. >:(

Gnads wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: .. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... I'm as shocked as you are. I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic". If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least). I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle. Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy. What about the thoughts and prayers? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg The neighbour may have been on the way to work when they noticed

I would have been late for work.

So would cods.


Quote:

people tend to mind their own business when it comes to druggie neighbours

I doubt the kids were druggies.

What are the teddies for, by the way?

And the flowers?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 2:55pm:

pecca trying to be comedic in this thread. the lack of self awareness of the leftie intellectual elite is astounding

he is being SARCASTIC aqua..

the op states a neighbour noticed the babies were in the car hours before they were found dead....

and thats what greg and I are referring too......

dont shoot the messenger or in this case messengers...


I am sorry to see you do not appear to be appalled by the fact the neighbour did not follow through even more so as the news now comes out   this mother had issues with DOCS.... >:( >:( >:( >:(

I would have been on it like a tonne of bricks 

I do understand the flowers and toys....its what we humans do when we are completely helpless.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: .. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... I'm as shocked as you are. I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic". If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least). I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle. Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy. What about the thoughts and prayers? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg The neighbour may have been on the way to work when they noticed I would have been late for work. So would cods. Quote: people tend to mind their own business when it comes to druggie neighbours I doubt the kids were druggies. What are the teddies for, by the way? And the flowers?

there is a point greg when I look at the neighbours actions  or lack of......but its hard to find excuses    :'(

This is a very sad case.  Those poor little kids. So sad.
However.
1. How could a Mother leave 2 little kids in the car, and go inside and sleep?
2. Why didn't the neighbour/s (who apparently saw the children in the car", do something?
3. Why don't people "do something" BEFORE the event, rather than put flowers and teddy bears AFTER the event?

Kate Walker wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 4:25pm:

This is a very sad case.  Those poor little kids. So sad. However. 1. How could a Mother leave 2 little kids in the car, and go inside and sleep? 2. Why didn't the neighbour/s (who apparently saw the children in the car", do something? 3. Why don't people "do something" BEFORE the event, rather than put flowers and teddy bears AFTER the event?

I don't know.  I honestly don't know.

And the flowers and teddies crap annoys the hell out of me.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 5:02pm:

Kate Walker wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 4:25pm: This is a very sad case.  Those poor little kids. So sad. However. 1. How could a Mother leave 2 little kids in the car, and go inside and sleep? 2. Why didn't the neighbour/s (who apparently saw the children in the car", do something? 3. Why don't people "do something" BEFORE the event, rather than put flowers and teddy bears AFTER the event? I don't know.  I honestly don't know. And the flowers and teddies crap annoys the hell out of me.

I take flowers to funerals as well... and if I lived nearby I would do the same here.....

to me its part of a grieving....how does anyone  express how shocked and sad they are........ two babies are dead.... I do not see any harm in it...it shows at least some people are shedding some tears.

Channel 7 latest news:


She is a druggie.

I would have broken the window furthest away from the kids and called the cops (and ambulance)

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 5:45pm:

I would have broken the window furthest away from the kids and called the cops (and ambulance) Spot

At the very least, monitor the situation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 5:45pm: I would have broken the window furthest away from the kids and called the cops (and ambulance) Spot At the very least, monitor the situation.

Yeah i have been in trouble before for not minding my own business on things like that

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 5:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 5:49pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 5:45pm: I would have broken the window furthest away from the kids and called the cops (and ambulance) Spot At the very least, monitor the situation. Yeah i have been in trouble before for not minding my own business on things like that Spot

things like this is EVERYONES business spot....

animals and children  who depend on adults for their wellbeing....

we need a better child protection body...DOCS is a disgrace... >:( >:( >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2019 at 3:49pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: .. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... I'm as shocked as you are. I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic". If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least). I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle. Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy. What about the thoughts and prayers? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg The neighbour may have been on the way to work when they noticed I would have been late for work. So would cods. Quote: people tend to mind their own business when it comes to druggie neighbours I doubt the kids were druggies. What are the teddies for, by the way? And the flowers?

You're a fargin hero - you don't know what the situation was.

You're simply being a fargwit with the remark about the kids not being druggies....... did they actually know where the mother was? She's the druggie .... druggies can be very reactive & violent towards people interferring, especially when they're high/wasted.

And don't hang the flowers & teddies bs on me. I never mentioned them.

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 6:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 5:58am: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 5:49pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 5:45pm: I would have broken the window furthest away from the kids and called the cops (and ambulance) Spot At the very least, monitor the situation. Yeah i have been in trouble before for not minding my own business on things like that Spot things like this is EVERYONES business spot.... animals and children  who depend on adults for their wellbeing.... we need a better child protection body...DOCS is a disgrace... >:( >:( >:(

It's not a disgrace .... or should I say those that work there are not a disgrace.

They are & I must of said it a few times since this happened & people started pointing fingers at everyone else they can ....

understaffed, under resourced, overworked & have one of the highest burn out rates & staff turnovers of any govt. sector

there are literally thousands of children/cases similar to this that they have to try & monitor & make calls on.

They are damned when they do & damned when they don't.

It's obvious when you see/hear what her friends have said about her being a "great" mum & that the kids weren't neglected.

She's is the one to blame for this situation & she should be locked up for a long time .....

but I'll bet a claim of mental health issues comes into play to try & get her off or placed into a unit where she will do some rehab time & then be let loose.

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 6:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:49pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:39pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 3:15pm: cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:03am: .. I am still shocked a neighbour noticed the girls in the car hours before they were found  but saw no need to check someone was going to remove them.... >:( >:(.... I thought it was mandatory to report any child left in a car.. or animal for that matter..I dont know about you but I couldnt walk away.... I'm as shocked as you are. I've even tried to initiate discussion about it, but some people think it's just "comedic". If I saw a kid in a car, alone, I'd be waiting nearby until the parents arrived, or checking on the car every ten minutes (at least). I wouldn't walk past a dog left in a car, so there's no way I'd not follow up on two children left on their own in a vehicle. Some of the neighbours seem to think leaving flowers and soft toys on the fence will make up for their apathy. What about the thoughts and prayers? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg The neighbour may have been on the way to work when they noticed I would have been late for work. So would cods. Quote: people tend to mind their own business when it comes to druggie neighbours I doubt the kids were druggies. What are the teddies for, by the way? And the flowers? You're a fargin hero - you don't know what the situation was. You're simply being a fargwit with the remark about the kids not being druggies....... did they actually know where the mother was? She's the druggie .... druggies can be very reactive & violent towards people interferring, especially when they're high/wasted. And don't hang the flowers & teddies bs on me. I never mentioned them.

If I passed a car on the way to work, and there were two kids in it unattended, I would delay my journey to work.

Any decent person would.

How would you see the kids in a car in a front yard?

Are you a nosey parker checking out houses as you drive by?

Keep your eyes on the road dickhead you'll cause an accident.  ::)

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 6:50am:

How would you see the kids in a car in a front yard?

Somebody did.

And they decided to do nothing.

Now, two kids are dead.

The neighbours seem to think that flowers and soft toys will make it all okay though.

Who are the toys for, by the way - the dead kids?

How are they gonna play with them?

What about the flowers - who are they for - the mother?

How is she expected to see them from her prison cell?

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 6:50am: How would you see the kids in a car in a front yard? Somebody did. And they decided to do nothing. Now, two kids are dead. The neighbours seem to think that flowers and soft toys will make it all okay though. Who are the toys for, by the way - the dead kids? How are they gonna play with them? What about the flowers - who are they for - the mother? How is she expected to see them from her prison cell? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg

Yeah neighbours ... not SJW Peccarhead driving past.

Stop blaming the neighbours you arsehole.

It's all the responsibility of the derelict mother.

Oh yeah ... I never mentioned anything about flowers or toys doing anything in any of my comments.

So you can redirect that to whom ever you were discussing that with prior to you switching it to me.

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 11:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 9:21am: Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 6:50am: How would you see the kids in a car in a front yard? Somebody did. And they decided to do nothing. Now, two kids are dead. The neighbours seem to think that flowers and soft toys will make it all okay though. Who are the toys for, by the way - the dead kids? How are they gonna play with them? What about the flowers - who are they for - the mother? How is she expected to see them from her prison cell? https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13978102_f520.jpg Yeah neighbours ... not SJW Peccarhead driving past. Stop blaming the neighbours you arsehole. It's all the responsibility of the derelict mother.

I'm not blaming anyone.

I'm merely stating the facts.

A neighbour saw the kids alone in the car, and did nothing.

I would have done something.

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

Oh yeah ... I never mentioned anything about flowers or toys doing anything in any of my comments.

Oh yeah ... I never said you did.

The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  it's not like they stood there for fifteen minutes and thought - "Gee - something wrong here."

Sadly a one and two year old would hardly know how to get out of restraints let alone open doors... and if nobody heard their cries...  I always take a look if I hear a child outside somewhere... old busybody...

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ...

Yep, quite possible.

Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs.

On his/her way to their dealer, maybe.

Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 1:13pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about?

You keep asking ... why?

Are you shy a teddy bear you need?

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 1:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about? You keep asking ... why? Are you shy a teddy bear you need?

I'm genuinely curious about it.

Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 1:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about? You keep asking ... why? Are you shy a teddy bear you need? I'm genuinely curious about it. Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence?

You haven't seen that response before?

You haven't seen roadside memorials to crash victims?

Is your life that cloistered?

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:19pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about? You keep asking ... why? Are you shy a teddy bear you need? I'm genuinely curious about it. Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence? You haven't seen that response before? You haven't seen roadside memorials to crash victims? Is your life that cloistered?

Yes, I have.

I'm asking why people do it.

So far, nobody has an answer.

I have my theory, but I'm curious what other people think.

Do they think the kids see the toys from heaven, or something like that?

An interesting article on it:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/geek-pride/201304/giving-in-grief

"The children they memorialized were newly dead, and as I watched the images on television and social media, I wondered if the parents saw the toys as I did: futile reminders of empty bedrooms and breakfast tables."

Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot

It gets worse....a bloke that reckons he's the biological father of the youngest girl is having his 2 bobs worth ...

but won't be identified & come forward because he's got outstanding arrest warrants.

There's a good reason he wasn't in her life. Another lowlife.

These bastards shouldn't be allowed to breed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7724911/Logan-hot-car-death-Kerri-Ann-Conleys-ex-boyfriend-says-Chloe-Ann-daughter.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot

From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.

do you know of anything that does?.. >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.

I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?

Gnads wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

It gets worse....a bloke that reckons he's the biological father of the youngest girl is having his 2 bobs worth ... but won't be identified & come forward because he's got outstanding arrest warrants. There's a good reason he wasn't in her life. Another lowlife. These bastards shouldn't be allowed to breed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7724911/Logan-hot-car-death-Kerri-Ann-Conleys-ex-boyfriend-says-Chloe-Ann-daughter.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small

I cant read that   ad blocker..

I do think we should stop drug addicts from continuing to have  children....no it doesnt have to be permanent  but we have seen this far too often...

why do these deadbeat dads  not remove their children in a case like this...????where are the grandparents????.....its a shocker  it isnt as if no one knew what was going on behind closed doors.... >:( >:( >:(

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. do you know of anything that does?.. >:(

No.

Which is exactly why these sort of things intrigue me.

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?

its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:(

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. do you know of anything that does?.. >:( No. Which is exactly why these sort of things intrigue me.

you turn every thread into a train crash...

this is a tragic case of babies dying.....unnecessarily in a cruel way.........its not about soft fluffy toys.

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:(

It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. do you know of anything that does?.. >:( No. Which is exactly why these sort of things intrigue me. you turn every thread into a train crash... this is a tragic case of babies dying.....unnecessarily in a cruel way.........its not about soft fluffy toys.

There's no train crash, cods.

It's just a discussion.

Why do you always get angry when people want to discuss things in a civilised manner?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( It's just a sociological discussion, cods. Aren't you curious about why people do certain things? I am. It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion. To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange. But that's just me.

thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:(

Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( It's just a sociological discussion, cods. Aren't you curious about why people do certain things? I am. It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion. To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange. But that's just me. thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news..... then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain... a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition... what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..

So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( It's just a sociological discussion, cods. Aren't you curious about why people do certain things? I am. It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion. To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange. But that's just me. thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news..... then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain... a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition... what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..

Is it?

How is laying flowers and/or soft toys on their fence better than what you and I have done cods?

If there were no flowers and no teddies, how would things be different?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:36pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( It's just a sociological discussion, cods. Aren't you curious about why people do certain things? I am. It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion. To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange. But that's just me. thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news..... then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain... a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition... what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>.. So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them? Spot

I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion.

These sorts of things fascinate me.

It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:35pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.

you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.

Could it simply be that people want to do something physical, to show their love and sorrow for the tragedy?

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:35pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.

Indeed.

If I was the father of those children, it's the last thing I'd want to see.

Everyone's different though, and I get that.

I still maintain that one of the main reasons people do it is so they can feel like they're a part of the big news story.

They can watch the footage on the Channel 7 "News" and say "Hey, that's the teddy bear I bought and put on the fence - check it out, that's my note".

Then they can go back, take a photo of it, and put it on their Facebook page.

It's a strange phenomenon - I'd love to do a PhD on it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( It's just a sociological discussion, cods. Aren't you curious about why people do certain things? I am. It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion. To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange. But that's just me. thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news..... then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain... a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition... what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>.. So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them? Spot I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion. These sorts of things fascinate me. It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.

its got nothing to do with this thread and now you can see which way its going...

leave me out of it   maybe see a psychologist   or even a funeral director   

you have another thread  greg   congratulations..

moses wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

Could it simply be that people want to do something physical, to show their love and sorrow for the tragedy?

Sure.

Why publicly, though.

Why can't they do it in the privacy of their own homes?

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies. you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.

The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them.

Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them?

That's a little strange, don't you think?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 1:19pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about? You keep asking ... why? Are you shy a teddy bear you need? I'm genuinely curious about it. Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence?

People leave them at road accidents, too... seen some... the Kings Highway has bears in the trees - Drop Bears....

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:40pm:

ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies. you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.

Yes, I know all about grief. The last thing I needed was flowers and soft toys. I certainly didn't want anybody to feel sorry for me!

We all grieve differently.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:19pm: Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm: Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm: The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ... Yep, quite possible. Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs. On his/her way to their dealer, maybe. Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about? You keep asking ... why? Are you shy a teddy bear you need? I'm genuinely curious about it. Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence? People leave them at road accidents, too... seen some... the Kings Highway has bears in the trees - Drop Bears....

Yes.

And they serve as a reminder to people that they're quite possibly on a dangerous stretch of road.

Still a strange phenomenon, but at least it can serve a useful purpose.

I don't see the purpose of leaving toys for dead children though.

Cannot imagine how the mother feels...'if only I didn't get whacked on that last cone'...spose.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:52pm:

Cannot imagine how the mother feels...'if only I didn't get whacked on that last cone'...spose.

Indeed.

Imagine being a parent who has just lost two children, and on top of that you're locked up in a cell with nobody to help you through the grief.

I can't imagine anything worse.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:46pm:

cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies. you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps. The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them. Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them? That's a little strange, don't you think?

It is " compassion masking uselessness "

People posturing to feel good , no different to the virtue signallers waving placards about climate change or lighting the opera house red white and blue after the Charlie Hebdo Massacres.

The noble conservative is a man of action, not reaction.

He sees a situation like this and he hits the gym, becomes strong and powerful, he hits the books, gets a uni degree in criminal justice.
He moves out on the attack, aggressively towards the problem.
He becomes a noble policeman and ventures to Logan and kicks serious ice dealer butt.
They build prisons in his honour to create firm boundaries to keep the bad stuff away.
Thus he reduces the suffering in the world and reduces the market for the " useless compassion" of the virtue signaller.

aquascoot wrote on Nov 26^th, 2019 at 3:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:46pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm: cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm: ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm: Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago. I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral. She was an old lady so it's not just children Spot From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana. Remember all those tributes? And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off. People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate. A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good. Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though. I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something? its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... >:( >:( Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?" It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies. you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps. The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them. Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them? That's a little strange, don't you think? It is " compassion masking uselessness " People posturing to feel good , no different to the virtue signallers waving placards about climate change or lighting the opera house red white and blue after the Charlie Hebdo Massacres. The noble conservative is a man of action, not reaction. He sees a situation like this and he hits the gym, becomes strong and powerful, he hits the books, gets a uni degree in criminal justice. He moves out on the attack, aggressively towards the problem. He becomes a noble policeman and ventures to Logan and kicks serious ice dealer butt. They build prisons in his honour to create firm boundaries to keep the bad stuff away. Thus he reduces the suffering in the world and reduces the market for the " useless compassion" of the virtue signaller.

This might be the first time we've ever agreed on something.