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Title: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:20am

Yeah, but what has killed Australians isn't getting any government action either...

But I did read a horrible story of a family in Texas setting off fireworks on NYE and the matriarch of the family all of a sudden held her chest said she thought she was shot, collapsed and died.

Someone, as they do in Texas, had shot their guns up in the air in celebration likely from kilometres away and that stray bullet returned to the ground and killed her in a tragic set of circumstances.

The "killer" will likely never know they killed someone and the victims family will likely never know who the shooter was. There will be no justice here because the guilty party is their gun culture.

It's a terrible situation and as outraged about the whole thing, including the other deaths that I feel, what can be done?

It's far too ingrained in their culture.

I'm more inclined to let stupid Americans kill each other, kill their children and ignore the problem because it's at least contained in their borders and instead focus on something they're being equally as divided and stupid over that impacts everyone on the planet.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am

Unfortunately it's probably true........

~ BUT ~

FREEDOM & LIBERTY.....they don't come without a cost.....

BTW....nobody gives a royal rats ass about your false comparisons, & meaningless death by gunfire competitions .......

Americas love the FREEDOMS they have, regardless of the price they may have to pay......

Americans will never give up their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Individually Keep & Bear Arms, & legally use those arms to defend themselves, & their loved ones, when, & if, the need ever arises.......

..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bobby. on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

The USA has a sick society.
It seems that everyone has a gun including psychopaths.
Every death is a tragedy -
so much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

u could at least say that the 'right to bare arms' is way overdue for refinement. it was designed for a time before there was a military to defend the nation.

At least say that the death toll is too much and that an armed populace is no longer any defence against any invaders. An invading army will come with bombs and missiles against which an AR15 is useless. Do you think a MOAB deployed against a militia armed to the teeth wont turn them all into dogfood?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

The USA has a sick society.
It seems that everyone has a gun including psychopaths.
Every death is a tragedy -
so much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

A tragedy true, & you may have different priorities, but please understand, unlike you, Americans are willing to pay the Price of Freedom, because they know Freedom & Liberty isn't free, & their Freedom & Liberty is all important to their way of life!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:01am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

And it's people like you who are part of the problem, the reason why I'll still be shocked and saddened by the needless deaths your type want to normalise.

I won't be shedding a tear if you or one of your family kill each other or themselves with a gun, you got what you wanted. I hope it doesn't happen, but you need to take responsibility for your actions.

It may be in the constitution, the interpretation of that may have changed and the reality of that may be impossible (you're just guaranteeing your death in this day and age if you take up arms against the government or their law enforcement agencies, you're not going to stop tyranny, not in how you lot interpret the 2nd amendment now) but you're still needlessly throwing away the lives of innocent people for nothing but the unearned feelings of manliness that you think owning a gun instils in you.

Over half the country want Trump removed from office, they outnumber the military 125 to 1. Should they take up arms and remove Trump?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bobby. on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:05am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

The USA has a sick society.
It seems that everyone has a gun including psychopaths.
Every death is a tragedy -
so much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

How free are the 177 dead people on New Year's day?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:07am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:34am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

The USA has a sick society.
It seems that everyone has a gun including psychopaths.
Every death is a tragedy -
so much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

If americans werent slaves to Multinational corporations and their government you might have a point. Otherwise it is laughable that you suggest Americans are free people. Now off you go and play Call of Duty like a good little serf.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

America will never make any concessions when it comes to OUR AMERICAN FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES!

Freedom & Liberty is, in part, choosing what principles we, as Free Americans, are willing to die for.....To us dying as Free Americans is a far better way to die, than living subject to the will & rule of potential tyrants, under the false belief we might continue to be free under their fictitious security.

Make your choices for you & yours.......America will be just fine.....Americans have always overcome all adversities, & will continue to do so for another 230+ years, regardless of what you may feel about how we go about it..............we live by our own rules, & under our own conditions......We don't tell you how to live, so don't presume you can tell us.....or that we will ever listen.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

how is it 'freedom' when it sacrifices 35000 dead in defence of a non-existent foe? The only enemies gun-loving americans have are other gun-loving americans.

you morons get into a drunken fight at a BBQ and leave 9 dead from gunshots. Here in australia, the same drunken BBQ fight leaves back eyes and the occasional broken jaw.

you just dont get it. you just want a gun, nothing else. It is all about you.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

how is freedom when it sacrifices 35000 dead in defence of a non-existent foe? he only enemies gun-loving americans have are other ful-loving americans.

you morons get into a drunken fight at a BBQ and leave 9 dead from gunshots. Here in australia, th same drunken BBQ fight leavaes back eyes and the occasional broken jaw.

you just dont get it. you just want a gun, nothing else. It is all about you.

You're entitled to your own Personal Opinions, but American Freedom will always enjoy the Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms guaranteed & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, regardless of your Personal Opinions, or the unfortunate, but sometimes necessary, price that has to be paid by the unfortunate few.

35,000 ÷ 339,000,000 = 0.00010324483

BTW........ ± 60% of those 35,000 (21,000) were suicides, where the person got 100% satisfaction, just as they intended, when using their firearm of choice, as they personally chose to do.

14,000 ÷ 339,000,000 = 0.00004129793

➤ PS.......How many were criminals who were justifiably killed/shot by law enforcement or an armed American gun owner......male or female.......in the commission of a crime (theft, rape, murder, home invasion, etc....etc....)???

..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:19am

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

so 35000 deaths is no problem to you? If someone blows up a Trump rally and kills 35000 people you will be okay with that since it is such a small number? After all, it was probably a patriot trying to defend actual freedom from a wannabe despot with the IQ of a carrot.

I would not wish a gun death on anyone close to you, but if it were to happen, I would not be terribly upset. it would after all be YOUR fault.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

so 35000 deaths is no problem to you? If someone blows up a Trump rally & kills 35000 people you will be okay with that since it is such a small number? After all, it was probably a patriot trying to defend actual freedom from a wannabe despot with the IQ of a carrot.

~~I would not wish a gun death on anyone[/highlight] close to you, but if it were to happen, I would not be terribly upset. it would after all be YOUR fault.~~

Pure sh!t ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:31am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

Nailed it.

Now, stand by for more mindless nationalistic bullshit.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

Unfortunately it's probably true..

~ BUT ~

FREEDOM & LIBERTY.....they don't come without a cost.....

BTW....nobody gives a royal rats ass about your false comparisons, & meaningless death by gunfire competitions ..

Americas love the FREEDOMS they have, regardless of the price they may have to pay...

Americans will never give up their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Individually Keep & Bear Arms, & legally use those arms to defend themselves, & their loved ones, when, & if, the need ever arises..

..

Nailed it.

Now, stand by for more mindless nationalistic bullshit.

More Pure BullSh!t ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:57am

God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............God Bless America............God Bless the NRA............

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 12:19pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 12:37pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Also about every time you share it 30,000 or 40,000 people were shot dead.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:05pm

..

Armed Citizen Kills Shooter before he can kill more innocents...

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V5XILF0d7U[/media]

Praise for the HERO who shot the Shooter......

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQDl02cYV4[/media]

What happened through the eyes of the HERO.....

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kciJclao2TM[/media]

Law abiding Americans use their Firearms an estimated ± 900,000 to 2,000,000 times a year defending life, as opposed to criminals who reprehensibly & illegally use firearms to take innocent lives about ± 10,000 times a year........

..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:06pm

Always the same few who are happy to defend anything.

177 gun deaths in a day and all is ok - its only normal.

About 1 every ten minutes is now acceptable in the US according to some. 3 children in the mix.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

An estimated 132 of those 177 were suicides

"As the fireworks burst to mark the new year, so did the guns. On New Year's Day there were 45 non-suicide gun violence deaths across America, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive research group. Including suicides by gun, there were 177 deaths."

"The data is collected in realtime from 6,500 sources and updated as new information in incidents is established. It includes homicides, murders, and unintentional and defensive killings. There were an estimated 132 suicides by gun on New Year's Day and 103 injuries."

Gun control has very little effect on the rate of suicide, other means are used if a gun is not available. Australia's suicide rate has hardly changed since Port Arthur and Howard's gun "buy back"

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:06pm:

Next you'll be parading out cripple American Indians, eating American Apple Pie while doing a feathered war dance to beating drums! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:28pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

An estimated 132 of those 177 were suicides

"As the fireworks burst to mark the new year, so did the guns. On New Year's Day there were 45 non-suicide gun violence deaths across America, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive research group. Including suicides by gun, there were 177 deaths."

"The data is collected in realtime from 6,500 sources and updated as new information in incidents is established. It includes homicides, murders, and unintentional and defensive killings. There were an estimated 132 suicides by gun on New Year's Day and 103 injuries."

Gun control has very little effect on the rate of suicide, other means are used if a gun is not available. Australia's suicide rate has hardly changed since Port Arthur and Howard's gun "buy back"

Most probably right.....a bit higher that the yearly average, but after all it was NYE..........

Suicides, where the gun user gets the 100% satisfaction they wanted.....that they alone chose....as they themselves intended!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:41pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

so yuo think that 45 people killed in a day by others is okay?

your argument is specious because prior to Pt Arthur, australia still had very few guns. very few suicides were by gun beforehand and now, almost none.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:48pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm

About 7500 people die in the US every day.

A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:03pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

Exactly. Why deal with guns and climate change?

People are going to die anyway, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

Your linking of these things and your assumptions (in the absence of any arguments) is what's ridiculous.

New Year always has a spike in suicides.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

A suicide by any means imaginable = a 100% successfully planned self-termination, that brings the terminator 100% satisfaction with the outcome. ;)

Quote:
....45 people killed in a day by others is okay?

No, law enforcement needs to up it's game against those criminals......

The gun didn't kill those 45 people, the criminal killers who pulled the trigger were 100% to blame, & it's they that need all the attention from law enforcement. Law enforcement can do better to lower the toll by enforcing existing criminal law.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:39pm

Likely plenty of the suicides were assisted without permission.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:40pm

The attitude that OH it is alright they were only suicides is ludicrous.

Dead is dead.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

The attitude that OH it is alright they were only suicides is ludicrous.

Dead is dead.

Yep, & how they died is immaterial, be it drugs, exhaust from a car, a razor to the wrist, a speeding train, a drunken midnight walk into the ocean, or a bullet from a gun......dead is dead.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:08pm

Lol. Panther doesnt want to ban guns, he wants to ban people.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:08pm:

Lol. Panther doesnt want to ban guns, he wants to ban people.

Neither. ;)

That said, guns are more trustworthy than people.....guns don't have a mind of their own, they don't lie, they are 100% faithful, & they aren't capable of insane thoughts. They just lay there, & do nothing, that is until a person makes them do their bidding.

Suicides do society a favor, taking themselves out of the equation.....permanently.

I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

Said no gun ever......

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:41pm

Some Fact Checks:

75-100 folks (are) killed a month and over 200 wounded by senseless gun violence."

Result: – Mostly false, should be per day.

"You can have an active warrant for your arrest for murder and legally pass a background check system in the state of Texas" to purchase a gun.

Result: Mostly True.

Says people convicted of felonies or under restraining orders "can buy a firearm without going through a background check."

Result: True

Law-abiding gun owners stop crimes "2.5 million times a year," according to the federal Centers for Disease Control.

Result: Mostly False They don't really know more likely half of that number.

"If you go back, you can see Wayne LaPierre, who runs the NRA, testifying in front of Congress in favor of background checks 15 or 20 years ago."

Result: True.

"Less mass shootings under Trump”

Result: Pants on fire.

"When Connecticut did licensing, their shootings dropped, their murders dropped 40%. Suicides dropped 15%."

Result: Mostly True.

In 2017, the first piece of legislation that Republicans passed "made it easier for the mentally ill to purchase guns."

Result: Half true - It wasn’t the first legislation passed.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:01pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

Your linking of these things and your assumptions (in the absence of any arguments) is what's ridiculous.

New Year always has a spike in suicides.

177 gun deaths in one day. or if it help to think of it as 45 NON-SUICIDE gun deaths in one day.

The worst part of it is that it is only slightly above the average toll.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by philperth2010 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:13pm

More guns less Yanks....I cannot see a problem here???

;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

Quote:

the criminal killers who pulled the trigger were 100% to blame

Pulling the trigger is ineffective if you don't have a gun.

Squawking that it is people not guns is just unbelievably, Squawk, Squawk, stupid.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:23pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

[quote]the criminal killers who pulled the trigger were 100% to blame

Pulling the trigger is ineffective if you don't have a gun.......[/quote]

No law anywhere in the world can keep a criminal from accessing a firearm if they seriously want one, especially in America where of those 400+ million guns, over 300 million are unregistered, are owned anonymously, & the government doesn't have a clue where they are located, & who are the owners....even exactly what kind of guns are out there is unknown....so what part of Camelot are you looking to move into?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:52pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:53pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

What a shame you can't carry out those beliefs legally, downunder, hey, mate? ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:57pm

Then again, you can move to Britain, where as long as you're a girl above 10 years old, you're probably safe.....all they do there is bugger little boys, their Peg-Boys, it's the British way.....making those little boys bleed for over 700+ years!

Pedophilia, the British pastime! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:04pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

So do I and most people wouldnt care to tangle with me. I still wouldnt model my life after a career criminal. To be quite honest you appear to me to be someone who did not have an appropriate male role model in life and someone who badly needs a mentor. Youve lost your way chum.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:20pm

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than Whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites, and 93% of African Americans victims were killed by African Americans.[49][50][51]

In 2013, African Americans accounted for 52.2% of all murder arrests, with Whites 45.3% and Asians/Native Americans 2.5%. Of the above, 21.7% were Hispanic.[52][53]

Blacks account for the majority of gun homicide victims/arrestees in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

Inconvenient truth # 14,479.

Blacks are about 13% of the population.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42pm

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

That shows me how little you know about the American way of life, & what it means to be American.

Americans, in & around my life anyway, all Americans were taught how to shoot, both boys & girls, by Fathers, Uncles, & Grand Fathers. I don't have a friend or relative.....male or female.....that doesn't shoot.

We were all taught an absolute respect for firearms from the age of 5 to 6. How to care for firearms safely. Taught to not aim any firearm, a rifle or a handgun, at anything or anyone you're not prepared to destroy.

And as I was taught, so were my boys taught.

My daughter never wanted to have anything to do with firearms when she was young. Now, in her 40's, she owns 3 handguns (2 of which I got for her), & 2 hunting rifles (& yes an AR-15 is one). She just got her carry permit 2 1/2 years ago, & belongs to & is active in 2 shooting clubs. Have to give her husband all the credit for that.....ex-military, & a licensed certified shooting instructor.

The boys are both concealed carriers, & have various weapons, many of which are mine. When I'm State-side I sometimes shoot with them & my friends. If I'm there for over a week, we always go for a shot at least once.

I'm proud of my American Heritage, & I will never forget where & what my allegiances are, no matter where I live.......America first & foremost. That said I do have an affinity for Australia, but there is no greater love that I have, that is greater than my love for my homeland.....America......which is second only to the love of my wife......which is why I moved here.....Australia is her homeland, the land she loves.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:22pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

sorry for her, she probably was under the misapprehension she was marrying a man and instead got a boy. Probably keeping you here in the hope you will grow up one day..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:46pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:51pm

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:22pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:15pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:02pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:30pm:

[
I think it was Chopper Reid that said "I never killed anybody that didn't deserve killing"

]

i dont intend to model my life after a career criminal.

Good for you.

I firmly believe in the "Castle Doctrine" & "Stand Your Ground" coupled with "No Duty of Retreat" within the home.

sorry for her, she probably was under the misapprehension she was marrying a man and instead got a boy. Probably keeping you here in the hope you will grow up one day..

Okay, this hurts me to say it but, for the second time today rhino is right.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:46pm:

How many gweggies does it take to find Bwian's bwains?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

Your linking of these things and your assumptions (in the absence of any arguments) is what's ridiculous.

New Year always has a spike in suicides.

177 gun deaths in one day. or if it help to think of it as 45 NON-SUICIDE gun deaths in one day.

The worst part of it is that it is only slightly above the average toll.

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:53pm

Fact Check:

"In 2011, for example, the United Kingdom had 146 deaths due to gun violence; Denmark, 71; Portugal, 142; and Japan, 30. But last year, in the United States, almost 40,000."

Result: Mostly True. Not allowing for population and some numbers accurate but a bit dated.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:59pm

Fact Check:

"In 2018, we endured a school shooting nearly once a week."

Result: half correct.

There was a shooting once a week but it included things like a fight in the carpark after a football match and accidental shootings.

(As if there is any difference. 100% correct for me).

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:02pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

You have said that a lot of times, does not mean it is relevant. Australia's gun laws make no difference we never had a lot of guns. Guns are an easy way to commit suicide without thinking about it.

You can get a gun good enough to commit suicide easy enough in Australia, as easy as before port Arthur.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:53pm:

Mostly black on black gangsters. Most of those guns would have been black (ahem*!) market.

Blacks are violent.

Stay safe.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:08pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:53pm:

Mostly black on black gangsters. Most of those guns would have been black (ahem*!) market.

Blacks are violent.

Stay safe.

How is skin colour relevant?

Are you a racist, Frank?

Do you hit women, Frank?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:37pm

Fact Check:

"If there is a firearm available, it is 17 times more likely to be used either for suicide or for assaulting a friend, relative, an acquaintance than it is to be used in fending off an intruder."

Result: Half True

Yes it is much more likely but 17 times is not proven and may be a bit high.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:43pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:46pm:

~~How many gweggies does it take to find Bwian's bwains?~~

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How many Sorens does it take to dig him out of the mud patch he lives in? ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:53pm:

Mostly black on black gangsters. Most of those guns would have been black (ahem*!) market.

Blacks are violent.

Stay safe.

How is skin colour relevant?

Are you a racist, Frank?

Do you hit women, Frank?

Skin colour shows up in the facts.

Are facts no longer relevant, dickheaddlee?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:33pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

Stupid throwaway comment.

Quote:

Urban–rural differences
Overall suicide rates for males and females in Australia differ little between rural and urban areas. However, rates for young men are distinctly higher than women in rural settings. There are a number of different factors that contribute to this. The easy accessibility to firearms, lower socio-economic lifestyle and increased level of social isolation, all add to the higher rate of male suicide in rural Australia.[21][22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Australia

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:45pm

Fact Check:

"So far this year, more students have been killed in schools than soldiers in combat zones."

Result: Mostly True.

While twice as many died in schools in this parameter so it is true as stated however there are years where it may not be true and a war zone is more dangerous in general.

WTF - seriously comparing schools to war zones and needing the referee to determine that a war zone is mostly more dangerous ?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:18am

177 deaths, 132 are suicides. 43 supposed celebratory accidents among one third of a billion people. Sounds like a local problem, not an opportunity for gun grabbers! How many people currently live in Australia?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Richdude on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:45am

So?

Over a 100,000 die per year from prescription drugs, 40,000 die on the roads - who knows how many die from illegal drugs.

So why don't these figures get headlines? Its not political - guns are.

Australians have no rights, little real freedom and conditioned from birth. So bed wetters can keep your safe spaces and Americans will keep their guns and the responsibility that goes with living in a free country.

The constitution is the highest law of the land. Abolishing the 2nd amendment would destroy the whole constitution and that aint gonna happen!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:51am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:37pm:

Generally when people who know each other are involved in a shooting it isn't because they love each other and their tempers made them do something they later regretted. It involves criminal or abusive behavior, the best way to avoid being involved is to not associate with those kinds of people. As you may have misinterpreted, it isn't happy, well adjusted people who kill because a firearm is handy. It is criminals killing the innocent or other criminals in the inner cities.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Richdude on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:52am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

actually, not true by any measure. Guns GREATLY increase the suicide rate because that are invariably effective. The majority of people who attempt suicide do so for reasons OTHER than trying to kill themselves. The failure rate of suicide attempts is over 90%. Having been involved in the mental health profession in the past, it is well known that people who seriously want to kill themselves, will. Even when under protective care. But using a gun as an attempt is 99% effective and so the person who is making an ATTEMPT for reasons other than wanting to kill themselves... does.

Guns make suicide easy. we NEVER want to make suicide easy because most people who attempt it dont actually want to die, not really.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

missing the point....

everywhere else in the world, there is no gunman coming into a church in the first place. And are our churches less likely to have crazy people come in? I've seen them here, BUT.... they dont have guns. so they are easy to deal with.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am:

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

great Blogging Marla !

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:09am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am:

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

great Blogging Marla !

╰დ╮ॐ╭დ╯

After what's happened recently you still want to go accusing others of being socks?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am

we do not respond to sock puppets and freemasonic operatives .

I for one do not have socks or other accounts here like SOME .

the fact is an armed guard took out the potential mass shooter .

case closed 2nd Amendment wins again .

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

Quote:

“We lost two great men today," Britt Farmer, the church's senior minister said, according to USA Today. "But it could have been a lot worse.”

bullies and thugs like to kill unarmed civilians , yet fortunately

there was a patriot defending humans in this instance .

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am:

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

What colour were they - and religion?

Spot

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by it_is_the_light on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am:

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

so you are against law abiding citizens having guns

and only want criminals to have guns ... ok makes sense :D :D :D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:56am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am:

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

so you are against law abiding citizens having guns

and only want criminals to have guns ... ok makes sense :D :D :D

How many mass shootings and gun deaths have there been in australia this year?

Spot

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:56am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am:

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

What colour were they - and religion?

Spot

I'm sure Mr Hammer will have the figures.

Not sure why though.

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

Four days down, 362 to go.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:38am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am:

Nobody is saying we shouldn't have armed guards, we have them in Australia. We're saying that civilians, the mass shooters, they shouldn't have guns.

2nd amendment fail again.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:17am

The people of Melbourne need guns again to protect themselves against rampaging African darkies. What's needed is side arms with small video cameras attached to record darkies attacking with baseball bats or box cutters and a warning shot could be fired and if they don't cease their bashing and slashing, just shoot them. All on video for the police to view and say the shooting was justifiable

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Rider on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:47am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:38am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am:

Nobody is saying we shouldn't have armed guards, we have them in Australia. We're saying that civilians, the mass shooters, they shouldn't have guns.

2nd amendment fail again.

Yeah... That works out hunky dory doesn't it.... Just need the cattle wagons....

The only reason The State has guns is to control and kill you. I use mine for peaceful purposes... Unless you are a clay that is.... Why am I criminalised? You really don't need to reply, your dribbling is pitiful.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:24am

::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by longweekend58 on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

a gun lover and a racist... surprisingly, the two tend to go hand in hand.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:24pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am:

10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year.

5 mass shootings so far.

Total number of gun deaths = 395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

so you are against law abiding citizens having guns

and only want criminals to have guns ... ok makes sense :D :D :D

Quote:

~~so you are against law abiding citizens having guns~~ Nobody said that ?

~~and only want criminals to have guns~~ ... ok makes sense - Nobody said that either

Funny that I don't see how the righties who openly support the right to shoot dead 40,000 plus people per year including many children think that they can read the minds of those who would prefer to do anything to reduce the death rate?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

a gun lover and a racist... surprisingly, the two tend to go hand in hand.

Or is it surprising?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by John Smith on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:36pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am:

the fact is an armed guard took out the potential mass shooter .

;D ;D ;D ;D

finally, an armed guard took out a potential mass shooter and may have saved a few lives, and the gun nuts plan to milk it for all it's worth

in the meantime, Americans have had last year 1.19 mass shootings (4 casualties or more) per DAY, or 434 for the year, with over 2000 victims

how many lives would have been saved if they couldn't get guns? :D :D :D

and I'm not even including shootings that involved less than 4 victims :D :D :D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

Your source GVA counts self defence of any type including home invasions and police shootings as gun violence.

How many of those deaths were suicides would you prefer suicidal people use a rope like they do here where hanging is the most common method for suicide?

Here is one to prove you wrong ya dopey dickhead

Quote:

The young Melbourne woman shot dead next to her husband on New Year’s Eve at their suburban home is being remembered as a beautiful girl who had found her true love.

her 29-year-old husband died in hospital on New Year’s Day from his wounds.

https://www.news.com.au/news/national/melbourne-woman-killed-husband-critically-injured-in-shooting/news-story/4da4a0ed9f09c099872f9e31ec330bdf

Longstupidone telling lies again, you should seek professional help for your hoplophobia.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:17am:

a gun lover and a racist... surprisingly, the two tend to go hand in hand.

Well you wanted multiculturalism and a multi-race population - now suffer the consequences numpty

And I'm not necessarily a gun lover, but they are handy tools when they're needed. A darkie coming towards me with a baseball bat or box cutter would never be able to use them if I had a firearm. The Government ordered me to learn how to use them, and I've never forgot, safety off, face the enemy, aim, pull the trigger.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

Longstupidone telling lies again, you should seek professional help for your hoplophobia.

Horrible of you to take advantage of this tragedy.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:37pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

Longstupidone telling lies again, you should seek professional help for your hoplophobia.

Horrible of you to take advantage of this tragedy.

Longstupidone said nobody died here on new years day from a gun.

Is it horrible to refute the lies from longstupidone?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:52pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:07pm

Church

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:07pm

hmm

81093622_1333942943632594_9195430564469932032_n.jpg (78 KB | 17 )

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

The first one got him with a headshot the others were much slower to draw.

The offender had numerous felonies going back a long way on his criminal record he was not legally allowed to own a gun.

The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

We could say it was a better outcome for those in the church that people were armed compared to the unarmed people in the NZ mosque.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Richdude on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:10am

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

You have to remember that the US has a vastly greater number of citizens that Oz.

Interesting ideas here on gun safety and crime.

"More guns = less crime"!

"Can gun safety training, conflict resolution, and a larger number of concealed carry permits actually help reduce crime? Maj Toure, rapper and founder of Black Guns Matter, joins Candace Owens for a conversation on the Second Amendment and how it empowers minorities."
Candace Owens Show

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-candace-owens-show-maj-toure/

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 5:51am

Rider wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:47am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:38am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am:

Nobody is saying we shouldn't have armed guards, we have them in Australia. We're saying that civilians, the mass shooters, they shouldn't have guns.

2nd amendment fail again.

Someone as paranoid as you should never, ever have access to a weapon of mass murder.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:50am

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am

So, if everyone is armed, then the killer wanting to shoot and kill people would have to kill someone, or at least shoot/threaten them first, before the "good guys" with the guns can take him down right?

Otherwise, everyone would just be shooting everyone else who has a gun?

No wonder Americans are paranoid of everything!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:42am

Richdude wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:10am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

No, dear, the US has a vastly greater number of gun deaths per 100,000 people, which is how these numbers are measured.

Different to the employment rate, which Mr Trump cites as the highest in US history.

In this instance, yes. That's because the US has the highest population in its history. In reality, the Clinton administration had a higher employment rate per capita, which is how those numbers are measured.

Take it as a strength, Rich. The US has the highest gun death rate in the developed world. They'll win so much they'll get tired of winning, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:45am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

No, I think the baddies are supposed to put their guns away in case someone shoots them back.

The suicidal ones would rather not leave a mess, you see.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:31pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

It is a FACT that in the United States of America they have an Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms, affirmed, defended, & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

It is a FACT that in Texas, as well as the overwhelming majority of the other 49 States, American Citizens have the Right to carry firearms, & use those firearms, deadly force, in self-defense.

You may not like those FACTS, but that's not any American Citizen's Problem, it's your own personal problem.

The established American law is firmly on the side of those Law Abiding, Gun Carrying American Citizens.

So, have all the fun you wish, today, tomorrow, the next day......enjoy your little exercise of Free Speech, or complain all you wish about American Citizen's RIGHTS, the LAWS, & the CONSTITUTION that affirms, protects, & defends those RIGHTS......you, & any other Left-Wing, Anti-Gun, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-American in any little obscure forum can do nothing more than whinge & complain about American Gun Law & Policy......

Can you affect those Laws, Policies, & Rights?.....NO....you all have absolutely no recourse, that you can resort to, that matters in the least.....Nothing whatsoever......You can change nothing, & America's Citizens, gun carrying or not, couldn't care less about your powerlessness.

99.999999+% of All Americans don't even know you exist.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:42pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:48pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:38pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:55pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

[font=Georgia][i]It is a FACT that in the United States of America they have an Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms, affirmed, defended, & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

It is a FACT that in Texas, as well as the overwhelming majority of the other 49 States, American Citizens have the Right to carry firearms, & use those firearms, deadly force, in self-defense.

You may not like those FACTS, but that's not any American Citizen's Problem ...

Really?

What about the 15,000 American citizens who are killed?

Or the 30,000 who are injured?

What about the 3,000 American children who are killed or injured?

Not a problem to them?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:23pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:

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99.999999+% of All Americans don't even know you exist.[/b]

+Sure they do, I didnt meet anyone in the US who wasnt aware Australia existed and who wasnt aware of our more restrictive gun laws. They all assumed incorrectly that the gun buyback scheme had somehow "disarmed "Australians, I made them aware that Australia has never had a history of urban gun ownership for self defence and had quite a few interesting conversations over there. I didnt find Americans as dumb as you appear but more ignorant of the facts.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:26pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

[size=14][font=Georgia][i]It is a FACT that in the United States of America they have an Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms, affirmed, defended, & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

It is a FACT that in Texas, as well as the overwhelming majority of the other 49 States, American Citizens have the Right to carry firearms, & use those firearms, deadly force, in self-defense.

your 2 statements here contradict each other, see if you can use those 2 brain cells flying around inside your head to see how. Maybe those 2 brain cells will collide and cause some type of fission and consequently some possible intelligent thought process. We live in hope.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:44pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:31pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

We've already addressed this, Panther. The federal laws regulating semi-automatics only expired a few years ago - 2015, if I'm not mistaken. They'd been in place for 20 years and survived every case the NRA could throw at them.

Most US states have laws to prevent people packing heat in church, dear. This is by no means a constitutional right, along with the right to pack nukes.

Unless you're conflating the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty with your beloved constitution, like poor old Bias.

Are you?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:46pm

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 1:48pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

your 2 statements here contradict each other, see if you can use those 2 brain cells flying around inside your head to see how. Maybe those 2 brain cells will collide and cause some type of fission

No no, that would be illegal under Panther's constitution.

Haven't you heard of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:28pm

I've read all your posts.....SadKangaroo, Brian Ross, greggerypeccary, rhino, Karnal........all of them in the past 7+ pages.

Not one American Law will be changed, modified, or even reconsidered because of any of them, now or ever .......... & I'd also be willing to bet less than 15 Americans (& I'm being extremely generous) less than 15 Americans read them as well, & if they did, no one gave them a second thought, before they went to bed tonight for a good night's sleep.

Enjoy your Free Speech in ozpolitic.com, but it seems, outside of a few pro-gunners like myself on these forums, you guys are all preachin' to the choir...........you've entertained no one but yourselves, & affected nothing but each others interests in futility! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Bias_2012 on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:36pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:44pm:

Unless you're conflating the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty with your beloved constitution, like poor old Bias.

I really got you going on nukes and the NPT didn't I, you silly old moo. Who's gunna carry a nuke around to defend themselves? And treaties are constitutional moo moo

Now tell me moo moo, who needs guns when our politicians can kill people with bushfires? a mass killing of how many? 20 or so

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 8:43pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 8:44pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

Do you know what the word 'amendment' means, Panther?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:40pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:36pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 3:44pm:

Unless you're conflating the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty with your beloved constitution, like poor old Bias.

I really got you going on nukes and the NPT didn't I, you silly old moo.

Oh, I see. Tricking me, were you?

What a silly old moo I must be.

Cunning, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 8:44pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

Do you know what the word 'amendment' means, Panther?

I'm curious.

As in Constitutional Amendment....absolutely.

Constitutional Amendments are proposed all the time. Matter-in-Fact, there have been over 11,000 proposed amendments to the United States Constitution since the US Constitution was ratified in 1788. In order for the proposed amendment to go to the States for ratification, the amendment must pass both Houses of Congress by a Super-Majority vote, 2/3rds vote, in each House. If that is successful, then it goes to the States where the People vote to ratify. 3/4ers of all the 50 States must ratify the Amendment in order for it to pass....38 States of 50.

Of well over 11,000 amendments proposed to the US Constitution in over 230+ years of American History, only 17 Amendments have passed both the Houses of Congress by a Super-Majority, & gotten the required 3/4ers of all the 50 States successfully.

Only 17 of the well over 11,000 proposals made it all the way through the process successfully.

The first 10 Amendments to the US Constitution are called the Bill of Rights........the Rights of the American People. They were all passed at the same time in 1791, the only amendments passed this way, because they were very special......they were The Bill of Rights.

No amendments have ever passed through Congress, & the States, to alter/amend/change/modify or repeal any Right of the American People.

So, in short, amending the First or Second Amendment to the US Constitution for example, would probably be more difficult than finding a bus full of hens teeth, under the recently sold Brooklyn Bridge, driven by a blind Easter Bunny...... ;)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:15pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:51pm

Panther wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 4:28pm:

And yet, you remain in a country without your beloved constitutional rights, dear, as do we.

Now why is that?

Thoughts?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

I have lived and worked in the US, the 2 cities I lived in were Bristol Rhode Island and Punta Gorda in Florida both of them have lower murder rates than any city in Australia despite massive gun ownership.

The Americans have a constitutional right with firearms no amount of bitching and whinging from Aussies on the other side of the world will change that.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:32am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

Florida has a huge gun death rate, dear. Gated communities don't count.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

Law-Abiding Americans enjoy their Rights, especially their Gun Rights.

Law-Abiding Americans want to keep their Right to Keep & Bear Arms for Self-Defense.

Americans are slowly, but surely, making having a State Permit to Carry a Firearm a thing of the past.

It's called "Constitutional Carry".

Florida will most probably become the 17th State that adopts Permit-less Carry Laws, & 4 more States are presently considering their own Constitutional Carry Laws for early 2020 passage.
(HB 273: Carrying of Firearms Link)

Law-Abiding Americans Nationwide are telling, not asking, their governments......their employees.......get out of the way, step aside, & leave us alone to decide how to defend ourselves & our loved ones.

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:03pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

actually the bitching and whinging appears to be coming from you and Panther, all I see in this thread from others is facts which you appear unable to confront. Cherry picking low crime rate areas in the US doesnt support your argument. Try again.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:05pm

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

Law-Abiding Americans Nationwide are telling, not asking, their governments......their employees.......get out of the way, step aside, & leave us alone to decide how to defend ourselves & our loved ones.

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you did state that Americans would not be affected one little bit by anything anyone says or does in Australia. So why the juvenile carry on? Why the need to argue the fact with Australians about it? I guess its all part of growing up. :-/

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:20pm

rhino wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

As you are obviously entitled to your opinion(s), I also am entitled to express my opinion(s) when I so please.

At my own discretion, I will also, when available, present corroborating FACTS that...in my opinion....are germane to the statement(s) I make. ;)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:34pm

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

Those Law-Abiding Americans Nationwide are telling, not asking, their governments....their employees....through the NRA, dear. The NRA is little more than a lobby group for the arms industry.

If Law-Abiding Americans were happy to defend themselves and their loved ones, they wouldn't be screaming for more police.

You?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:59pm

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:20pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:05pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

But you said you didnt care what any Australian said here, so why do you continue to post your juvenile nonsense if you dont care? You wouldnt be lying would you? Are you really an american? Not an unemployed middle aged gamer from Victoria pretending to be one? You never answered this question.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:15pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

The NRA leadership & members vote as individual law-abiding American Citizens in any election. The general population though (which includes all those who wish to exercise their Right to vote) & it is they that elect the government to serve the People, as the People see fit. It is the People who employ the government, the NRA may assist the People if called upon as extra 'help', to provide the means they know best. ;)

The police are also on the Peoples payroll, so they need to be available at any time to earn their keep, & to assist the People .....& vice versa.....if, when, & where needed. When the circumstances call for it, more firepower is usually an appreciated asset. ;)

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:24pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:56pm

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 1:15pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 12:34pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 11:27am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

rhino wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 12:28am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:52pm:

rhino wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 11:47pm:

So it took 5 armed citizens to stop a lone gunman. If the gunman couldnt get a gun then 5 people wouldnt have to carry one. Good point.

You cannot deny the vastly higher number of people who are killed in shootings in the U.S. And thats the whole point, its not about individual cases.

The cops don't even get guns over in Mother England, Panther. Same in most of Europe.

And they have a far lower gun death rate than your jolly country.

The NRA assists the people by donating to the Republican Party. That's how Putin was able to channel funds into Mr Trump's erection campaign.

So yes. The NRA assists the people by helping a foreign leader get his boy into the White House.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:06pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:13pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:47pm

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Police and Public Agree: More Guns, Less Crime

Source: CDN
Quote:

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.....Following the attacks by terrorists in Paris, the police chief in Detroit surprised the media by announcing that armed citizens are making Detroit decidedly unattractive to terrorists. According to CBS Detroit, because “more guns, fewer problems. That, at least, is Detroit Police Chief James Craig’s view of Detroit and fears about a possible terrorist attack.” The article goes on to state, “Detroit’s police chief says he believes the fear that armed citizens would return fire serves as a deterrent for a potential terrorist attack in the rust belt city.”

This is a theme Craig has promoted for quite a while. In 2014 the Washington Times said, “Detroit has experienced 37 percent fewer robberies than it did last year, and Police Chief James Craig is crediting armed citizens for the drop. ‘Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon,’ Chief Craig, who has been an open advocate for private gun ownership, told The Detroit News in an interview, ‘I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.’”

Craig is not the only law enforcement official pushing against the gun control narrative. Ulster County New York Sheriff Paul Van Blarcum has gone even further, advocating that all people with carry permits keep their guns on them. The sheriff, who is a Democrat, recently wrote on his office’s Facebook page: “In light of recent events that have occurred in the United States and around the world I want to encourage citizens of Ulster County who are licensed to carry a firearm to PLEASE DO SO.”

Although it is new to see those in law enforcement be vocal in maintaining such positions, it has long been known that the consensus of most police is a desire to see more responsibly and legally armed citizens. The website, PoliceOne, did an extensive survey of 15,000 officers to determine law enforcement attitudes about gun ownership, and the results will likely surprise most people. According to the survey, “More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.” Furthermore, a “full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).” Even more surprising is law enforcement’s view of what should happen in public school when it comes to protecting young people, with “more than 81 percent of respondents were in favor of arming teachers and school administrators if they were properly trained and vetted or at least proficient.”

Law enforcement is not the only one not accepting the anti-gun rhetoric. Average Americans are responding to mass shootings by purchasing more guns. For many, the obvious fact that all of these events are happening in “gun free zones” makes it very logical that they want to assure their own protection wherever possible. Furthermore, we are seeing contrarian attitudes about gun-free zones, as the president of the largest Christian university in the U.S. has urged his students to carry guns on campus and the Texas legislature has passed a law requiring the state’s public institutions of higher learning to allow those who are properly licensed to carry guns.

Rhetoric by politicians and the media are at an all time high, but the trend is actually very much against more gun control laws.

More Guns = Less Crime....... not 'no' crime, but overall......Less Crime.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 3:57pm

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by John Smith on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

bullshit. It's actually difficult for most people to get a gun in Oz.... before you make a fool of yourself, notice I said difficult, not impossible.

In the US all they have to do is look in the 'for sale' section of their local newspaper ... no checks, no criminal history, no id ... just hand over the cash.

No good claiming the law doesn't allow criminals to have guns in the US when the law does nothing to prevent them buying guns in the first place.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

Get over the "Little People" syndrome you people are so obsessed with here......it's not a competition, no gold medals, no false comparisons.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:57pm

Criminals actually have a hard time getting a gun in Australia. It is why comparatively few crimes are committed with firearms.

Criminal use of handguns in Australia

Australia — Gun Facts, Figures and the Law

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:57pm:

Source from above: Criminal use of handguns in Australia

Quote:

Conclusion

Despite apparently low ownership rates among the criminal community, handguns appear to be the firearm of choice for use in firearm-related crime in Australia. The combination of a concealable weapon with high firepower and large calibre has been cited in overseas research as influential factors for criminal handgun acquisition and use, and it can be assumed that these also attract local offenders.

From the available data, it can be surmised that handguns used to perpetrate crimes in Australia are usually illegal at the time of the crime. Surveys with police detainees also suggest that relatively informal transactions involving a family member or friend characterise the most common method of illegal handgun acquisition, with private sales and 'the street' as additional important sources. The origins of these handguns are less clear, although diversion and theft from legal owners may be primary avenues.

Source does not show any difficulty whatsoever in criminals having much difficulty in acquiring their firearms of choice to be used in crime........which therefor actually supports your opposition's position. ;D

Also, even though the source states that the handgun has become the 'firearm of choice' for criminal activity involving firearms, it does not negate the fact that there are still ample firearms available & accessible for criminals to choose from, other than a present day firearm of choice, for use in criminal activity....... ;)

Nice source.......for our argument(s)...... .....thanks ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by John Smith on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36pm

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:

He's talking about here......in AUSTRALIA....where you live.

no sh1t sherlock ... that's why i said 'it's actually difficult for most people to get a gun in Oz.'

you do know what Oz is don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by John Smith on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:37pm

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:33pm:

handguns appear to be the firearm of choice for use in firearm-related crime in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:

He's talking about here......in AUSTRALIA....where you live.

no sh1t sherlock ... that's why i said 'it's actually difficult for most people to get a gun in Oz.'

you do know what Oz is don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Get over the "Little People" syndrome you people are so obsessed with here......

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

He's talking about here......in AUSTRALIA....where you live...not America where the People have the Rights you don't have here......he said that CRIMINALS don't have MUCH TROUBLE getting a gun in AUSTRALIA.......not in America.......HERE in AUSTRALIA.......honestly debate him about that FACT.......either that or prove he is absolutely incorrect. Otherwise wave your white flag, & surrender!

Wipe the dogsh!t from your squinty eyes & read ya idiot......he's saying it's not difficult to get the firearms they want HERE.......but you insist on false comparisons that he never even stated in the statement he made, that you quoted (below).

So you prove he is absolutely 100% incorrect,

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 10:18am:
The criminals don't have much trouble getting a gun in Australia.

or concede his point (above) is correct........one or the other.....your choice.......time ta sh!t or get off the pot Smitty!........

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:55pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:57pm:

Criminals don't have a hard time getting guns in Australia who are you trying to bullshit to?

Your gunpolicy link is not credible Philip Alpers has no credibility.

From your link-

Quote:

Number of Privately Owned Firearms

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Australia is

2016: 3,150,0001

How does Philip Alpers know how many illicit guns are out there, if he knows where they are why haven't the police been told to go get them?

Not only that he is way out with legal firearm numbers The NZ sporting shooters association said he was a sloppy researcher with dubious qualifications.

In 2016 we had 5,798,980 registered firearms with 1,973,522 firearm license holders which is nearly double what Philip Alpers claims we have.

Page 63 for license and registered firearm numbers.
https://www.acic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2016/10/crimtrac_ar_2015-16_final_071016.pdf?acsf_files_redirect

The UK banned pistols it made no difference to gun crime there.

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 8:31am

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:33pm:

handguns appear to be the firearm of choice for use in firearm-related crime in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Shoe guns never really caught on.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 8:53am

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:33pm:

handguns appear to be the firearm of choice for use in firearm-related crime in Australia.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I agree.....but I have to step aside.....all the credit is due to http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/HeDidIt.gifBwian Ross, who unearthed
that gem of a link, where that CONCLUSION is derived from...........
Credit where credit is due.......thank you Bwian ;) ;D ;D ;D ::) ::)

(Don't be too hard on the ole fella JS, it looks like Bwian was just coming to your rescue - which you desperately needed....but, alas, at least he tried.....)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 11:24am

*SIGH*

Hand guns might be the weapon of choice for armed robberies downunder but they are harder to get than in the US for criminals. You appear to have focused on one sentence amongst all the others that refute everything you have claimed, Panther. Not unusual in someone who thinks the only answer to a gun is more guns. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:06pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:

He's talking about here......in AUSTRALIA....where you live.

no sh1t sherlock ... that's why i said 'it's actually difficult for most people to get a gun in Oz.'

you do know what Oz is don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Panther's an expert on the American constitution, JS.

He's not aware of any of Jefferson's amendments to ours, dear.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 11:24am:

Yes but the answer to more guns is more, more guns ?

It's an argument you need an arsenal that you are prepared to use to win.

Though I am not sure how a english soccer team would help.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:15pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 4:29pm:

He's talking about here......in AUSTRALIA....where you live.

no sh1t sherlock ... that's why i said 'it's actually difficult for most people to get a gun in Oz.'

you do know what Oz is don't you? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Panther's an expert on the American constitution, JS.

He's not aware of any of Jefferson's amendments to ours, dear.

"White Rabbit" was amended.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:21pm

Current count:1,317 Deaduns.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by PZ547 on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

There is a fact check where someone said that people who have a gun that this gun is 17 times more likely to shoot yourself a friend or family member than to be used for protection.

The fact check found it wrong as it may be a bit less than that ?

You know maybe only 12 or 15 times more likely.

The point is that guns have taken many many times more innocent lives than they have or ever will save.

There maybe arguments that support guns in the community but this isn't one of them.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:57pm

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

Two world wars can testify to that, dear.

We'll have another one soon, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

They provide hours of amusement for children.

That could work, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:13pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

They provide hours of amusement for children.

That could work, no?

One that I wish I didn't remember was the 3 or 4 year old girl in the supermarket that pulled the gun from her mothers bag and blew her away.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:51pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

Two world wars can testify to that, dear.

We'll have another one soon, no?

Not as long as we have patriots & scientists like J. Robert Oppenheimer, brilliant pilots like Paul Tibbets Jr. - USAF, & American made aircraft like the B-29 Super Fortress "Enola Gay".

Nobody will mess with those willing to make the beautiful bombs that saved over a million allied lives. Nobody will mess with those willing to deliverer those bombs on target, in one of the finest bombers the Japs wished they never ever saw commin'!

Bye, Bye Hiroshima......Bye, Bye Nagasaki........so, so sorry we likey to close squinty eyes for long, long, long, long, time....so sorry.....NOT!!!

Who's going to mess with those willing to build those bombs, & use them without reservation, in order to kill a couple hundred thousand or so, to save over a million of our own men & women.....over a million allied lives......mostly Americans & Aussies?

Who's going to mess with those kind of people.....their first mistake attacking us.....their last mistake not believing we had the balls to use those bombs we told them we had, & were willing to use.....We did.......So, So, sorry.....NOT!!!

[media width=700]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wxWNAM8Cso[/media]

Land of the Free, because of the Brave!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 1:11am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

That friends and family comment is probably the biggest misdirection of facts in the whole argument. The impression they want to make is if you become a little upset with a friend or family member and have a gun handy you will shoot that person. Just having a gun handy will motivate you to kill a loved one.

The people that shoot people they know are generally involved in some criminal activity or from a culture where they feel disrespected. The ones who shoot strangers are usually committing armed robbery or other forms of assault.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:32am

Actually dipshit PEcker head who is a 'wannabe' American Media Star.

North America is a 'sibling' to the Middle-East.
It has its upper-class 'Jews' (Jedi) in Military Power,
but it is also developing its lower-class 'Moslems' (Sith) with Guns too.
The only difference between Namerica & the M-East, is that in Namerica, the Politician is first placed, not the Military Officer (2nd place).

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:43am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:13pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:59pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

They provide hours of amusement for children.

That could work, no?

One that I wish I didn't remember was the 3 or 4 year old girl in the supermarket that pulled the gun from her mothers bag and blew her away.

Yes, but that's her right in a free country, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am

Panther wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

Two world wars can testify to that, dear.

We'll have another one soon, no?

Er, Vietnam?

They won, dear.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

Panther wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

Two world wars can testify to that, dear.

We'll have another one soon, no?

Er, Vietnam?

They won, dear.

Yes....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans & 521 Aussies were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Yes....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Yes....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

Racist crap that that really should be dealt with by the mods.

I just hope people like him don't have children.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

Absolutely......

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:57am

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

es....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans & 521 Aussies were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

~~Absolutely......~~

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Yes....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chink Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans & 521 Aussies were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more good Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

~~Absolutely......~~

Go piss up a rope! ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:12pm

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

[quote
Er, Vietnam?
They won, dear.

Winning battles doesn't always win you the war, mate.

The Chinese didn't send any troops to South Vietnam. Their sole contributions were to the North Vietnamese railways and to their AA defences. It also depends on when during the war - initially they had 10,000 railway troops in North Vietnam and then, later they had only a smaller number of advisors so I'd take your claim that "200,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed" with a massive handful of salt. The actual numbers with far, far, fewer.

As for how many South Vietnamese died, your figures are also well, rather rubbery. The best estimates suggest about 2 million South Vietnamese died during the Vietnam war. As we know, the US military's "body counts" were rather contested during the war, based as they were on biased reporting for the most part.

As for the numbers of Americans who died, well, what else do you expect from a military led by incompetents and not trained to fight a proper counter-insurgency campaign? The US military wasn't interested in the sideshow that Vietnam represented. They wanted the "war of the big battalions" as Napoleon once called it, on the central European plain against those Communist hordes, poised to invade West Germany.

The US also believed they were fighting the Kremlin rather than a bunch of peasants in a paddy field. The interesting thing is that after the collapse of the fUSSR, the Soviet ex-Ambassador to North Vietnam published his memoires. He described how he was kept waiting outside in the corridor while the North Vietnamese made decisions about the conduct of the war and was then summoned into the Politburo meeting to hear what they wanted the fUSSR to do. Now compare that with the Republic of Vietnam. There, the US created a complete shadow government which dictated to the Southerners how they were organise their entire economy, how to fight the war, how to treat their population, everything. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Australia knew how to fight a counter-insurgency war and did so. That is why our casualties were proportionally lower and why we dominated the province, Phuoc Tuy we were assigned to the point that when required, we left it to fight the big war that Westmoreland decreed. ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:14pm

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

~~Absolutely......~~

Go piss up a rope! ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:14pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

~~Absolutely......~~

Go piss up a rope! ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Yadda on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:27pm

Quote:

Why Two Texas Church Shootings Both Ended the Same Way

January 2, 2020
by Brandon Morse

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/01/02/todays-lesson-two-texas-church-shootings-both-ended-the-same-way/

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:12pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

[quote
Er, Vietnam?
They won, dear.

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and use them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

All I care is them rotten squints.....them gooks with the slanty eyes.....Chinks or not, after a few days & weeks......they stank the same.....bottom line they're ALL DEAD, a million plus of 'em, & the worms dined on their putrefied yellowish flesh 40+ years ago.....to hell with them all! Look at all the rice we saved! Just like all them Nips & Japs we vaporized & turned to cinders in Hiroshima & Nagasaki.....So Sorry.....NOT..... Tsk, Tsk, Farkin' Tsk ::) ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:04pm

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Racism? Tsk, tsk, such a childish reaction simply because the US LOST the Vietnam War. I think i'll leave your post there, so that everybody can see it for what it is, the over-reaction of a child. ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Everyone has their own personal opinions, I simply have mine, & I'm not fazed about sharing them openly.......Wouldn't be the first time someone labeled me as a racist.......I don't hold you in bad stead for speaking your opinion Bwian.....at least you're genuine enough to show you care.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:37pm

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

I care about facts and their misuse, Panther. Tsk tsk. ::) ::)

You appear to care about only one thing - guns. Tsk, tsk. ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 5:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

I care about facts and their misuse, Panther. Tsk tsk. ::) ::)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You run from facts like a vampire runs from garlic, Bwian. Emoting is all you care about and use. And lies and distortions. You good with those.

Facts? - nah.

You have been called out for falsities, evasions, unsubstantiated assertions so many times, only someone with a thick skin or a complete lack of self-awareness could carry on like you do about your 'care for facts". You are an agit-prop cadre, a lefty propagandist and liar.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:14pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:50am:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Do you need to keep up with the slurs?

~~Absolutely......~~

Go piss up a rope! ;D

And a clown !

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:54pm

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 1:11am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:39pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

I wish Aussies and Poms had guns, even open carry

Guns are good

I want one

or four

The fact check gave no biased commentary it just looked at the facts. My feeling was that the fact is mainly driven by accidents and carelessness.

However the perceptions and assumptions don't really matter - the point that it is true is a different story.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:21pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 5:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 2:46pm:

Unlike you, Panther, I don't hide from facts. I actively search them out and ~~use~~ distort them. Tsk, tsk. ::)

I care about facts and their misuse, Panther. Tsk tsk. ::) ::)

You run from facts like a vampire runs from garlic, Bwian. Emoting is all you care about and use. And lies and distortions. You good with those.

Facts? - nah.

You have been called out for falsities, evasions, unsubstantiated assertions so many times, only someone with a thick skin or a complete lack of self-awareness could carry on like you do about your 'care for facts". You are an agit-prop cadre, a lefty propagandist and liar.

Anything of value to add to the thread, Soren? Nope, it doesn't appear so. Look run along back to the little kiddies' playground. The adults want to have a serious conversation, OK? ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

Panther wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:51pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:34pm:

.
I defend the right of Americans to bear arms

Guns have saved lots of lives

Two world wars can testify to that, dear.

We'll have another one soon, no?

Er, Vietnam?

They won, dear.

I see what you mean, Panther. I can see how your analysis describes the Tet Offensive and the Fall of Saigon.

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Land of the free because they're so brave, isn't it? Who's going to mess with those kinds of people?

Apart from North Vietnam, I mean.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 12:12pm:

Panther wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 11:36am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

[quote
Er, Vietnam?
They won, dear.

Good post, Brian. Beats your NRA lighbulb meme hands-down, dear.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Good post, Brian. Beats your NRA lighbulb meme hands-down, dear.

DON"T you twigger him!!!!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point

Really? You sure could have fooled me. I think you fooled your examiners as well, right, Soren? I suspect you paid them a few hundred thousand lira and they just handed you a paper with the answers already marked on it, right? ::) ::) ::)

Why don't you go up to Canungra for the real university of hard knocks at the LWC? We'll arrange a nice baggy green skin and you can scream your heart out against Pakistanis who you appear to hate, so much. Get you fightin' bushfires. I'm sure I've got a wet sugar bag I could loan you... ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point

Really?

Really.

You can't do it.

That's the difference.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:10pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

Good show. As soon as you can show yourself capable of doing that here, we'll add you to the prestigious thinking and lucid list.

With a bit of effort, you may even be removed from Brian's twiggered list.

Now that could take some time. He does like his mud memes so.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by rhino on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:31am

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[mediahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smioOkwR3lw][/media]

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:37am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

It just went up.

1,445 now.

Total mass shootings = 8

Number of children killed = 29 That's two a day.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them who choose to use a firearm get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss. Beats neckin' themselves, drivin' into a tree at 130kph, jumpin' in front of a train or runnin' blindfolded across a busy freeway!

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice. ;)

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:07am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them their right to choose & choose to use a firearm, they get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss.

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice. ;)

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

[b]400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

29 children dead already.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:07am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them their right to choose & choose to use a firearm, they get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss.

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice. ;)

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

29 children dead already.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

That's sad....very, very, sad........but sad as that is, age has no bearing on the outcome, now or tomorrow, that will never cause Americans to give up firearms.....to give up their means of self-defense that they use somewhere around 2,000,000 times (maybe more) a year.......use to defend themselves, their loved ones (including children), or their property.

Nope.....never gunna happen Pecca, no mater what you say, or how hard you try to convince them/us.......ain't never gunna happen!

..

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:23am

Choose one?

It's quite often both.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:31am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:23am:

Choose one?

It's quite often both.

Americans would rather take that chance any day of the week!!

Nobody wants to die, but unlike so many people on this here planet, Americans would prefer to go down defending themselves rather than begging for their lives!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:32am

"More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?"

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:34am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

"More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?"

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Because thousands of Americans prove otherwise each & every day!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:36am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

"More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?"

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Because thousands of Americans prove otherwise each & every day!

Incorrect.

"The claim that gun ownership stops crime is common in the U.S., and that belief drives laws that make it easy to own and keep firearms.

"But about 30 careful studies show more guns are linked to more crimes: murders, rapes, and others. Far less research shows that guns help."

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

They believe otherwise.

The evidence proves them wrong.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:43am

"Most of this research—and there have been several dozen peer-reviewed studies—punctures the idea that guns stop violence.

"In a 2015 study using data from the FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for example, researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

"Also in 2015 a combined analysis of 15 different studies found that people who had access to firearms at home were nearly twice as likely to be murdered as people who did not."

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

"More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?"

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Because thousands of Americans prove otherwise each & every day!

Americans prove otherwise thousands of times each & every day....to themselves, their friends, & their community.

The opinions you choose to believe, you believe.............Americans don't mind one bit.....It's what they believe that counts......it's their Right....It's their Second Amendment......It's their Country......

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:48am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:32am:

"More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?"

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Because thousands of Americans prove otherwise each & every day!

Americans prove it thousands of times each & every day....to themselves, their friends, & their community.

No, they don't prove it - they merely believe it.

The evidence proves that more guns do not stop more crimes.

This isn't an opinion - it's an undeniable fact.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

Sure, but how many stabbings? Poisonings? Satanic child killings?

We could say guns are more humane, Greggery.

Anyway, knives, poison and black magic aren't listed in the constitution, just guns.

As our resident constitutional expert says, it would be unconstitutional to impose any restrictions or regulations on them.

You're free to shoot anyone you want, as long as they draw first, look at you funny, or they're suspect (tinted).

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:52am

More Guns = Less Crime

Scream from the 'hilltops' 'till yer blue in the face Pecca..... (Australia don't have 'real' mountains :D ;D)

Americans prove thousands of times each & every day that being armed makes them safer....to themselves, their friends, & their community.

The opinions you choose to believe, you believe.............Americans don't mind one bit.....It's what they believe that counts....it's their Right....It's their Second Amendment...It's our Country...but yer always welcome to visit, & Americans won't even force you to carry a loaded firearm neither

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:57am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:52am:

Scream from the 'hilltops' 'till yer blue in the face Pecca..... (Australia don't have 'real' mountains

Americans prove otherwise thousands of times each & every day....to themselves, their friends, & their community.

The opinions you choose to believe, you believe.............Americans don't mind one bit.....It's what they believe that [u]countsit's their Right....It's their Second Amendment......It's our Country......but yer always welcome to visit, & Americans won't even force you to carry a loaded firearm neither

No.

They don't prove it, they just believe it.

It's faith, like some crazy religion.

It's an undeniable fact that more guns do not stop more crimes.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am

More Guns = Less Crime

Like I said before.....Scream from the 'hilltops' 'till yer blue in the face Pecca..... (JFYI ..... Australia don't have 'real' mountains )

Americans prove thousands of times each & every day that being armed makes them safer....prove it to themselves, their friends, & their community.

The opinions you choose to believe, you believe.............Americans don't mind one bit.....It's what they believe that counts....it's their Right....It's their Second Amendment............It's our Country.............but it still goes, yer always welcome ta visit, & Americans won't even force you to carry a loaded firearm neither...........so don't fret none lil fella.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:09am

I'm curious, Panther. Do guns stop suicide?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:11am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

More Guns = Less Crime

Like I said before.....Scream from the 'hilltops' 'till yer blue in the face Pecca..... (JFYI ..... Australia don't have 'real' mountains )

Americans prove thousands of times each & every day that being armed makes them safer....prove it to themselves, their friends, & their community.

The opinions you choose to believe, you believe.............Americans don't mind one bit.....It's what they believe that counts....it's their Right....It's their Second Amendment............It's our Country.............but it still goes, yer always welcome ta visit, & Americans won't even force you to carry a loaded firearm neither...........so don't fret none lil fella.

No.

They don't prove it, they just believe it.

It's faith, like some crazy religion.

It's an undeniable fact that more guns do not stop more crimes.

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:20am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:09am:

I'm curious, Panther. Do guns stop suicide?

Not likely......but if faced with being shot by another's hand, it might just cause them a prolonged pause, & prevent the suicide.......but that's a longshot.....so ta speak

Suicides by gun have the Right to choose their departure time, & their method of transportation Karnal.....if anything is unknown it's their point of arrival. ;)

I'm curious........Can you show me one successful suicide that isn't 100% satisfied with his/her/its choice?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:37am

so
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:11am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

That's the evidence you choose to believe.....from a book written by someone else..........from a study undertaken by strangers.......it's they you believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you form an opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......

Stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:43am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:11am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

That's the evidence you choose to believe.....from a book written by someone else..........from a study undertaken by strangers......

30 studies.

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

"Most of this research—and there have been several dozen peer-reviewed studies—punctures the idea that guns stop violence."

You're fooling yourself.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:43am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:11am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

That's the evidence you choose to believe.....from a book written by someone else..........from a study undertaken by strangers......

As I said......That's the evidence you choose to believe.....from a book ,or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......

Stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:53am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:43am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:37am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:11am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:02am:

That's the evidence you choose to believe.....from a book written by someone else..........from a study undertaken by strangers......

Nothing to do with opinion.

It's a fact.

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

"In a 2015 study using data from the FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for example, researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

"Also in 2015 a combined analysis of 15 different studies found that people who had access to firearms at home were nearly twice as likely to be murdered as people who did not."

From official US statistics.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

Nothing to do with opinion.

It's a fact........an opinion upon which you believe.....

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

"In a 2015 study using data from the FBI and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for example, researchers at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard University reported that firearm assaults were 6.8 times more common in the states with the most guns versus those with the least.

"Also in 2015 a combined analysis of 15 different studies found that people who had access to firearms at home were nearly twice as likely to be murdered as people who did not."

From official US statistics.

And, As I said before, I'll say again....& again.....& again......That's the evidence you personally choose to believe.....from a book, or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion..... your personal opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......your firm belief......

⮞⮞⮞ I don't & won't hold that against you......you're free to believe what you wish to believe......accept the opinions you choose to accept.....for the reasons you hold as important to you.......

As you, I also believe....I have my own options.....& you can scream till the heavens fall into the sea.......like yours, my opinions WILL NEVER CHANGE......Like you I'm a stubborn Mutha Fvuckka, & death itself may not even be strong enough to change my opinions regarding this issue.....

So, you stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:15pm

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:53am:

And, As I said before, I'll say again....& again.....& again......That's the evidence you personally choose to believe.....from a book, or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion..... your personal opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......your firm belief......

I don't hold that against you......you're free to believe what you wish to believe......accept the opinions you choose to accept.....for the reasons you hold as important to you.......

As you, I also believe....I have my own options.....& you can scream till the heavens fall into the sea.......like yours, my opinions WILL NEVER CHANGE......Like you I'm a stubborn Mutha Fvuckka, & death itself may not even be strong enough to change my opinions regarding this issue.....

So, you stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Nothing to do with opinion.

It's a fact.

Nothing to do with strangers, either - the facts come from America.

"They found that a gun in the home was associated with a nearly threefold increase in the odds that someone would be killed at home by a family member or intimate acquaintance."

More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:15pm:

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:33pm

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:15pm:

Nothing to do with opinion.

It's a fact.

Nothing to do with strangers, either - the facts come from America.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:33pm:

Nothing to do with opinion.

It's a fact.

Nothing to do with strangers, either - the facts come from America.

And, As I said before, I'll say again....& again.....& again......& I will say it again, & again, & again....That's the evidence you personally choose to believe.....from a book, or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion..... your personal opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......your firm belief......

⮞⮞⮞ I don't & won't hold that against you......you're free to believe what you wish to believe......accept the opinions you choose to accept.....for the reasons you hold as important to you.......

As you, I also believe....I have my own options.....& you can scream till the heavens fall into the sea.......like yours, my opinions WILL NEVER CHANGE......Like you I'm a stubborn Mutha Fvuckka, & death itself may not even be strong enough to change my opinions regarding this issue.....

So, you stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:49pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 1:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 12:49pm:

Nice waste of space.......but that changes nothing

As I said before, I'll say again....& again.....& again......That's the evidence you personally choose to believe.....from a book, or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion..... your personal opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......your firm belief......

⮞⮞⮞ I don't & won't hold that against you......you're free to believe what you wish to believe......accept the opinions you choose to accept.....for the reasons you hold as important to you.......

As you, I also believe....I have my own options.....& you can scream till the heavens fall into the sea.......like yours, my opinions WILL NEVER CHANGE......Like you I'm a stubborn Mutha Fvuckka, & death itself may not even be strong enough to change my opinions regarding this issue.....

So, you stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Have fun....I'm havin' a great time.....I have 3 forums to visit......so I will depart from time to time to catch up on important stuff...... (not in Australia) where my fellow American posters think you're a joke....a scream....they don't know why I bother, but they want to watch you explode!! ;D ;D ;D

I told them soon...soooooon......just stop in & watch I told them.....they said only the insane :D :D :D do the same thing over & over expecting a different outcome..... I told them I think you are.....but too funny to pass up.....

I told them I don't have any expectations.....I don't want him to change a thing.....he's one of my main reason I still come to this forum.....GWEGGY's a source of amusement.....now they see for themselves.....they say I'm right.....have fun......& I am......that's when I told them about your obsession with Trump & with his so called alleged child rape.....They're still laughin....way harder than before!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 1:16pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Panther on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 1:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 1:16pm:

As I said before, I'll say again....& again.....& again......That's the evidence you personally choose to believe.....from a book, or books, written by someone else..........from a study, or studies, undertaken by strangers.......it's they you choose to believe....

You choose to believe your evidence because you want to.....you then form an opinion..... your personal opinion.....a personal opinion upon which you establish your belief......your firm belief......

⮞⮞⮞ I don't & won't hold that against you......you're free to believe what you wish to believe......accept the opinions you choose to accept.....for the reasons you hold as important to you.......

As you, I also believe....I have my own options.....& you can scream till the heavens fall into the sea.......like yours, my opinions WILL NEVER CHANGE......Like you I'm a stubborn Mutha Fvuckka, & death itself may not even be strong enough to change my opinions regarding this issue.....

So, you stay true to YOUR beliefs fella, & us Americans will stay true to OURS..............Americans, the ones who choose to have them, won't force their big, bad guns upon you........so, don't fret lil fella.....just don't fret no more......America be fine for 200+ more years with American guns...... :)

Have fun....I'm havin' a great time.....I have 3 forums to visit......so I will depart from time to time to catch up on important stuff...... (not in Australia) where my fellow American posters think you're a joke....a scream....they don't know why I bother, but they want to watch you explode!! ;D ;D ;D

I told them soon...soooooon......just stop in & watch I told them.....they said only the insane :D :D :D do the same thing over & over expecting a different outcome..... I told them I think you are.....but too funny to pass up.....

I told them I don't have any expectations.....I don't want him to change a thing.....he's one of my main reason I still come to this forum.....GWEGGY's a source of amusement.....now they see for themselves.....they say I'm right.....have fun & enjoy......& I am......that's when I told them about your obsession with Trump & with his so called alleged child rape.....They're still laughin....way harder than before!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Now they know yer sick!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 1:37pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 2:12pm

::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 2:17pm

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:20am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 11:09am:

I'm curious, Panther. Do guns stop suicide?

Not one, Panther, but what about all the murder suicides and mass shootings?

I'd say they're satisfied too.

You?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 4:53pm

Harvard mentions CDC in this.

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm

Harvard has a point, Barron. As if all those suicidal crazies are law-abiding citizens.

From my cold, dead hands, no?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:26pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

From my cold, dead hands, no?

I suppose one day they will extract your penis from your cold dead hands.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:52pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

From my cold, dead hands, no?

I suppose one day they will extract your penis from your cold dead hands.

Not at all, dear, that's my gun. That's what you say when you're in the NRA. "From my cold, dead hands".

If the government come to take your gun, the policy is to have a shoot-out.

What does Harvard say?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:03am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

From my cold, dead hands, no?

I suppose one day they will extract your penis from your cold dead hands.

Wow, did he really defeat you that badly. Tsk tsk.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 8:39am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

From my cold, dead hands, no?

I suppose one day they will extract your penis from your cold dead hands.

Have a read on what is says.

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:13am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:16pm:

From my cold, dead hands, no?

I suppose one day they will extract your penis from your cold dead hands.

Ah.

So you admit that a gun is psychologically a penis-substitute.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:10pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

I am only here to twiggew Bwian and Turd and you, Benito and all the other silly pwogs and po-faced ratbags - see avatar.

Putting an excellent education - yes, some time at the University of Bologna (homework - find it on the map and report back) - to some small, good use in an obscure little corner of the Australian internet debating community. I look at it as a socially responsible charity activity for my less fortunate, less clear-headed fellow Australians who may, despite all signs to the contrary, may be steered to redemption from their idiotic, misguided ways.

Take you, for example - what motivates you to spread all your gawdawful stupid, mad Foucauldian-Marxist shite that you spray around? What redemption for you from that hell?

.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:12pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:10pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

I am only here to twiggew Bwian and Turd and you, Benito and all the other silly pwogs and po-faced ratbags

Ah.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:32pm

......................................................................................

And yet 30,000 are killed in the USA every year, over 1,600 in january so far this year compared to about 100 per year in most places with sane gun laws.

Yes the elephant in the room clearly shows that claims like this above are garbage.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:41pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

You may be right, Dnerever, but Baron said Harvard wrote it.

Now who'd know more - you?

Or Harvard?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:48pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:41pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:32pm:

You may be right, Dnerever, but Baron said Harvard wrote it.

Now who'd know more - you?

Or Harvard?

Harvard Brown ?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

Quote:

“Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.” Or: “If only more ordinary citizens were armed, they could stop mass shootings.” As we’ve shown in our reporting, these arguments don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 8:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm:

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

Quote:

That can't be right. Baron said Harvard's really into the NRA's favourite talking points. He even posted a link.

You've posted Mother Jones. Now what's it to be?

Harvard or Mother?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:21pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Karnal, did you call a fwiend???

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Karnal on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:52pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Karnal, did you call a fwiend???

We're all fwiends here, old chap, but no. I don't have a telephone.

Have you considered calling Lifeline?

You may find it helps, dear boy. It can be so comforting to sit down and have a good old chinwag with someone who cares.

We're all here for you, you know.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 10:12pm

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 9:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Karnal, did you call a fwiend???

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, still playing in the mud patch, Soren? Tsk, tsk.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

Bwian's TWIGGEWED!!!

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 8:06pm

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

~~Bwian's TWIGGEWED!!!~~

Anything useful to add to the thread, Soren? Anything at all? No, it doesn't appears so. Run along and play in your favourite mud patch, OK? ::)

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Frank on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 8:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

~~Bwian's TWIGGEWED!!!~~

Anything useful to add to the thread, Soren? Anything at all? No, it doesn't appears so. Run along and play in your favourite mud patch, OK? ::)

You have a fetish for toddlers in distress, Bwian.

Weirdly perverted.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 9:55pm

We can trust government to keep us safe, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlUQMH19BkQ&w=420&h=237

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 10:02pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 10:03pm

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 8:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 8:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 6:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:59pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 6:38pm:

Spreading more Mud, Soren. Tsk, tsk. ::) ::)

~~Bwian's TWIGGEWED!!!~~

Anything useful to add to the thread, Soren? Anything at all? No, it doesn't appears so. Run along and play in your favourite mud patch, OK? ::)

You have a fetish for toddlers in distress, Bwian.

Weirdly perverted.

Your the oddly perverted one, Soren. The are no toddlers in that picture...

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 10:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm:

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

Quote:

The piece is pure opinion, no facts!

Quote:

Generally speaking, when it comes to deciding who should be listened to, I look to a couple questions to guide my direction. First, “cui bo·no?”, or in English, “Who benefits?”. Second, “What’s their experience?”. Third, “What’s their successes?”. Fourth, “Ramifications of applying that advice?”. Fifth, “What’s their reputation?”.

And of course, what is their agenda?

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm:

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

Quote:

The piece is pure opinion, no facts!

[quote]Generally speaking, when it comes to deciding who should be listened to, I look to a couple questions to guide my direction. First, “cui bo·no?”, or in English, “Who benefits?”. Second, “What’s their experience?”. Third, “What’s their successes?”. Fourth, “Ramifications of applying that advice?”. Fifth, “What’s their reputation?”.

And of course, what is their agenda?[/quote]

Fact check agrees with their view as the NRA position is factually incorrect.

The NRA statement on guns make you safer is a pants on fire one.

It is a fact that a gun owner is very many times more likely to shoot him/her self, a family member or a friend than to ever be used in self defence.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:31am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

It is a fact that a gun owner is very many times more likely to shoot him/her self, a family member or a friend than to ever be used in self defence.

That might be a statistical fact, but it doesn't change anything.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by PZ547 on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:37am

.

Harvard ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tell you what, you anti-gun wafflers

break into my home with your gun or knife or garden hoe

give me a gun

and watch you back out fast

either you back out or you're a colander

Creep up behind me in a park with your knife

Give me a gun and I live, you die

then put the gun (or not) in your hand when there you are, cleaning the inside of your vehicle in your driveway

and mad Wayne comes racing up behind you

he's going to take your car, your phone, your money and your six year old grandson

and he will

because mad Wayne's been on the turps and any mind-bending substance he's been able to get his hands on today. He has the strength of ten men and a big knife in his hands

what ya gonna do? Call the police?

no you're not because mad Wayne's already stuck his knife in you and your car's leaving your driveway. Mad Wayne has plans for your grand daughter, just as soon as he's spent your money on his fix

you die there bleeding out on your newly pressure cleaned driveway

moaning … 'I'm dying. My grand daughter's going to suffer before she's killed too. Gee I wish I'd had a gun …. '

or … you've shot mad Wayne and your grand daughter is safe

but that's right. You don't believe you should be able to defend yourself against madmen, do you

Ok. You're dead then. And so is your grand daughter

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:38am

Oprah once showed a hidden camera experiment where they placed a life-like replica pistol in a random locker at various (Primary level) schools.
79% of the time the kid's 'automatic' response was to 'play' - point the gun at his friend(s) and shoot when they found it.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by PZ547 on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:40am

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:38am:

Ophrah ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

this comedy just gets better

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:44am

I know. I know. Oprah Show of all things.
But it does go to show those kiddie computer games are working.
Roblox is for infants/kids ages and 90% of them incorporate 'killing'.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by PZ547 on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:58am

Jasin wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:44am:

I know. I know. Oprah Show of all things.
But it does go to show those kiddie computer games are working.
Roblox is for infants/kids ages and 90% of them incorporate 'killing'.

I'm laughing because someone a few posts before yours cited Harvard

then Oprah

two of the most reviled sources in the world these days. And owned down to their boot laces

but most people aren't suggesting putting guns in the hands of children

who does that? Lunatics? Homicidal maniacs? Harvard and Oprah because that's all they've got and they're hoping no one will notice how absurd their reasoning is?

Most people assume someone capable of handling a gun responsibly will have access to that gun

as we know, dumb crooks have guns. And they use them. And they're getting them from somewhere

so it's an unlevel playing field with disastrous repercussions for the one who's gun-less

Police have guns. Wonder why?

Military puts guns into the hands of 18 year olds and teaches them how to fire and kill. Wonder why?

Bank robbers, rapists, lunatics, etc. have guns. Because it gives them the advantage

Cops and military have guns because they know it gives them power and gives them at least a 50/50 chance of emerging alive from whatever confrontation

but the BULK of humanity .. the yous and mes -- they're rendered powerless, disadvantaged, robbed, raped and dead

I say no. If someone intends to harm me or someone, something I care about .. then I want an equalizer

I might be in the loo when I'm attacked or invaded. Big disadvantage there

Not as if I'm invading anyone or their property. And if I DID, then I'd expect my potential victim to defend him/her self

BUT, if I have the gun, I win

If the invader or robber or rapist or lunatic has a gun and I have nothing but a roll of toilet paper or a toothbrush … the other guy wins

I don't want to die that way

I don't want my family to die or suffer at the hands of someone who has no right to attack them

the ordinary person in this and other countries has been deprived of means of self defence through some laughably faked 'massacres' such as Port Arthur and Dunblane

Do you like being deprived of a means to defend yourself from attack when you least expect it? As in when you're asleep in your bed? I don't. I want to have at least a decent chance of protecting myself and my family

I want a gun. Then let's see how motivated to continue his attack the attacker is. Bet he tries to dial it down, say he's in the wrong place, hit on the wrong person, didn't mean it, etc.

Guns are as harmless as electricity and mobile phone chargers if handled responsibly

and if some low IQ military cadet can have a gun AND training AND permission to use it against strangers …. then I want a gun too, not to harm anyone except if they try to harm me

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:22am

American people will put down their guns.
If the Australian people pick up theirs.

Simple Maths.

USA: President owns a gun. USA people don't.
Aust: Aust People own guns. PM doesn't.
(USA Politically/Militarily empowers the pole position individual, Australia is the reverse - it empowers the Fans).
Simples. ;)

...its the Media that is 'corrupting' this equation.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:54am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

It is a fact that a gun owner is very many times more likely to shoot him/her self, a family member or a friend than to ever be used in self defence.

That might be a statistical fact, but it doesn't change anything.

Repeating lies doesn't make your bullshit true.

Quote:

CDC surveys in the 1990s, never publicly reported, indicate nearly 2.5 million defensive uses of guns a year. That matches the results of Gary Kleck's controversial surveys, and it indicates more defensive than offensive uses of guns.

Thread here- http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1524533839/0

Do retarded leftists understand maths?

2.5 million cases of defensive gun use a year shows guns are very effective for self defence.

Gun numbers have increased in the US while firearm homicides have decreased an inconvenient truth for the bedwetting hoplophobes.

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Baronvonrort on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:58am

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 8:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm:

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

Quote:

That can't be right. Baron said Harvard's really into the NRA's favourite talking points. He even posted a link.

You've posted Mother Jones. Now what's it to be?

Harvard or Mother?

Mother Jones has 118 mass shootings from 1982-2019 which is much lower than the number of mass shootings the bedwetting hoplophobes in this forum claim have happened in the US.

The bedwetting hoplophobes will cherry pick whatever they can and ignore anything that goes against the narrative they're trying to construct.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

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Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 3:13pm

Did a 2007 Harvard University study prove that areas with higher rates of gun ownership have lower crime rates?

There was no such official Harvard “study.”

It is true, however, that gun rights advocates Gary Mauser and Don Kates co-authored a 2007 paper in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, arguing that higher rates of gun ownership correlated with lower crime rates, Snopes.com notes.

The paper, however, was not peer-reviewed, Harvard University does not consider it a study, and it misrepresented separate research to draw unsupported conclusions.

After the Umpqua (Ore.) Community College shooting in October, an undated article on the website BeliefNet titled “Harvard University Study Reveals Astonishing Link Between Firearms, Crime and Gun Control” went viral on social media.

The BeliefNet article never linked to the document on which it was based, and stated: “According to a study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, which cites the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the United Nations International Study on Firearms Regulation, the more guns a nation has, the less criminal activity.”

The Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy describes itself as “one of the most widely circulated student-edited law reviews and the nation’s leading forum for conservative and libertarian legal scholarship.”

Articles in that journal are not the same as peer-reviewed research published in science-related journals as “studies.” Using the term “study” to refer to that 2007 article, FactCheck.org said, implied that the conclusions by its authors were vetted under rigorous study conditions, which didn’t appear to be the case.

The paper was credited to authors Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser. A profile for Kates describes him as ”[one of the] foremost litigators, criminologists and scholars on the Second Amendment and the fundamental right to self-defense and the individual right to keep and bear arms in the country.”

https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20151121/news/801257662

i.e - This means that it was made up by gun nutz.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Brian Ross on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 4:57pm

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by Dnarever on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 7:10pm

Quote:

There are some people who do not laugh at this one.

Normally if something said sounds too stupid to be true there is normally an already stated and obvious reason for that.

A more controlled study found a result of about 65,000 incidents and even that was thought to be exaggerated.

Unless of course we count farmers defending against rabbits and hunters defending against ducks.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by mortdooley on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 9:02am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2020 at 7:50pm:

New Harvard Research Debunks the NRA’s Favorite Talking Points

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/gun-research-harvard-nra/

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And of course, what is their agenda?

Fact check agrees with their view as the NRA position is factually incorrect.

The NRA statement on guns make you safer is a pants on fire one.

It is a fact that a gun owner is very many times more likely to shoot him/her self, a family member or a friend than to ever be used in self defence.
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That has a lot to do with other criminal activity these people are involved in. People generally know their local drug dealers and gang bangers if they live in those neighborhoods. The rest of us don't shoot friends and family!!! The US has a lower suicide rate than most Westernized countries, they just use other methods to check out.

Title: Re: 177 gun deaths
Post by .JaSin. on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 10:00pm

True Morty.
Australia may not have a gun problem.
But we have a very high suicide rate and the highest ratio per population in the world of narcotic (drugs/alcohol) use in the world.
Another shipment of MDMA has entered Australia (located in Sahul - the most virulent region of the world... naturally) with 'double' the dosage.

We are currently under attack from nations like China, Mexico, Columbia and more with their massive shipments.
We don't have war here... just the subtle suicide of self destruction.

Most Rural Towns and big cities are filled with drug zombies evreywhere.