3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires.

Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months.


Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response.

The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7

Bit late, the horse has bolted. Typical of the Libs and Labs to sit around while Australia burns

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:19pm:

Bit late, the horse has bolted. Typical of the Libs and Labs to sit around while Australia burns

the same globalist climate change bullsh*tters who own and control all Australian politicians

are playing games


They wanted the fires to break Aussies who're opposed to bullsh*t fake climate change

they dusted the bush with accelerants

they were behind the arsonists and others responsible for around 90% of the fires


now they're putting pressure on Morrison to fight the fires for which they're responsible

he can't win

Albo is very glad he's only the opposition

and I believe Labor deliberately threw the last election because they'd been warned of what was to come

now they're going to oust Morrison

and Labor are positioned to take the reins (in name only because their owners are the same as LNP's owners) and run all the way with the climate change SCAM


what a script, huh

no one could see any of this coming …. much

The horse bolted years ago.

This was entirely expected.

National parks like the snowy s had 10's of 1000s of cattle and wild horses til about a decade ago when the greens kicked them out.

Cattle and horses, particularly in a drought will eat everything,
You basically would have no undergrowth.
That makes fire fighting a breeze.

So every farmer I know ( who burn off annually) knew this would happen

When ?

Well at the height of summer , at the end of a drought when northerly winds picked up.

Talk about naive.

You know there is one property near me of 200 acres with a proud sign saying " private land for revegetation. It is completely covered in 6 foot high grass and weeds and saplings and some greenie has built a log type cabin up the back of it
I must take a picture of it and post it here to reveal the true dickhead pig ignorance of the urban greenie cretins.

Those same cretins who think they can divert the blame onto Scott , who has been PM for less then 1 summer  ::) ::) ::)

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:31pm:

The horse bolted years ago. This was entirely expected. National parks like the snowy s had 10's of 1000s of cattle and wild horses til about a decade ago when the greens kicked them out. Cattle and horses, particularly in a drought will eat everything, You basically would have no undergrowth. That makes fire fighting a breeze. So every farmer I know ( who burn off annually) knew this would happen When ? Well at the height of summer , at the end of a drought when northerly winds picked up. Talk about naive. You know there is one property near me of 200 acres with a proud sign saying " private land for revegetation. It is completely covered in 6 foot high grass and weeds and saplings and some greenie has built a log type cabin up the back of it I must take a picture of it and post it here to reveal the true dickhead pig ignorance of the urban greenie cretins. Those same cretins who think they can divert the blame onto Scott , who has been PM for less then 1 summer  ::) ::) ::)

That's it!  The farmers used to complain bitterly about cattle not being able to graze in the Snowies, and I loathed the horse culling that went on... finally stopped the bastards..

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7

We've had fires for four months... what's the rush now, Scotty?

FFS....

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:31pm:

The horse bolted years ago. This was entirely expected. National parks like the snowy s had 10's of 1000s of cattle and wild horses til about a decade ago when the greens kicked them out. Cattle and horses, particularly in a drought will eat everything, You basically would have no undergrowth. That makes fire fighting a breeze. So every farmer I know ( who burn off annually) knew this would happen When ? Well at the height of summer , at the end of a drought when northerly winds picked up. Talk about naive. You know there is one property near me of 200 acres with a proud sign saying " private land for revegetation. It is completely covered in 6 foot high grass and weeds and saplings and some greenie has built a log type cabin up the back of it I must take a picture of it and post it here to reveal the true dickhead pig ignorance of the urban greenie cretins. Those same cretins who think they can divert the blame onto Scott , who has been PM for less then 1 summer  ::) ::) ::)

I empathise with your despair

but on the matter of those winds …..

I've been around for quite some time as have most of those with whom I associate.  And we cannot remember hurricane level winds at this time of year.  No, we're not senile.  Winds which somehow come out of nowhere, like those in California, Brazil and se asia which also came out of nowhere, like nothing in living memory, to fan the flames of these weird fires

it's almost as if they were being generated by something, isn't it (like HAARP and other Geotech)

Australia was set up to burn ferociously this time.  The temperature data has been outrageously manipulated and falsified

and you know the best part …. ?

Aussies, so often accused of apathy and I'm Alright Jack are far more informed than I could have hoped

a recent story (one of hundreds being fanned and capitalised upon for profit) in the media, re: the fires and temps and winds, etc.,

drew hundreds of responses from allegedly 'too lazy to care' Aussies

and almost to a man, they called out the fake temps, etc.  and revealed a surprising awareness of geoengineering, fake climate change propaganda, etc.  I was impressed and delighted by their responses

Aussies are proving a harder nut to crack than the globalists expected !  And they're hitting the keys with energy !

The media 'just happened' to be right there when the firie and woman refused to shake Scomo's hand?  People all over the joint and they didn't hone in on those who did happily shake Scomo's hand

it's all set up

and a huge number of Aussies see through it

PZ547 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:27pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:19pm: Bit late, the horse has bolted. Typical of the Libs and Labs to sit around while Australia burns the same globalist climate change bullsh*tters who own and control all Australian politicians are playing games They wanted the fires to break Aussies who're opposed to bullsh*t fake climate change they dusted the bush with accelerants they were behind the arsonists and others responsible for around 90% of the fires now they're putting pressure on Morrison to fight the fires for which they're responsible he can't win Albo is very glad he's only the opposition and I believe Labor deliberately threw the last election because they'd been warned of what was to come now they're going to oust Morrison and Labor are positioned to take the reins (in name only because their owners are the same as LNP's owners) and run all the way with the climate change SCAM what a script, huh no one could see any of this coming …. much

You are a dickhead mate!!!

::) ::) ::)

PZ547 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:44pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:31pm: The horse bolted years ago. This was entirely expected. National parks like the snowy s had 10's of 1000s of cattle and wild horses til about a decade ago when the greens kicked them out. Cattle and horses, particularly in a drought will eat everything, You basically would have no undergrowth. That makes fire fighting a breeze. So every farmer I know ( who burn off annually) knew this would happen When ? Well at the height of summer , at the end of a drought when northerly winds picked up. Talk about naive. You know there is one property near me of 200 acres with a proud sign saying " private land for revegetation. It is completely covered in 6 foot high grass and weeds and saplings and some greenie has built a log type cabin up the back of it I must take a picture of it and post it here to reveal the true dickhead pig ignorance of the urban greenie cretins. Those same cretins who think they can divert the blame onto Scott , who has been PM for less then 1 summer  ::) ::) ::) I empathise with your despair but on the matter of those winds ….. I've been around for quite some time as have most of those with whom I associate.  And we cannot remember hurricane level winds at this time of year.  No, we're not senile.  Winds which somehow come out of nowhere, like those in California, Brazil and se asia which also came out of nowhere, like nothing in living memory, to fan the flames of these weird fires it's almost as if they were being generated by something, isn't it (like HAARP and other Geotech) Australia was set up to burn ferociously this time.  The temperature data has been outrageously manipulated and falsified and you know the best part …. ? Aussies, so often accused of apathy and I'm Alright Jack are far more informed than I could have hoped a recent story (one of hundreds being fanned and capitalised upon for profit) in the media, re: the fires and temps and winds, etc., drew hundreds of responses from allegedly 'too lazy to care' Aussies and almost to a man, they called out the fake temps, etc.  and revealed a surprising awareness of geoengineering, fake climate change propaganda, etc.  I was impressed and delighted by their responses Aussies are proving a harder nut to crack than the globalists expected !  And they're hitting the keys with energy ! The media 'just happened' to be right there when the firie and woman refused to shake Scomo's hand?  People all over the joint and they didn't hone in on those who did happily shake Scomo's hand it's all set up and a huge number of Aussies see through it

pz, yopu are on the money re these winds.

expect to see box jellyfish in noosa very shortly

Interesting.  First time they have used the limited mobilisation legislation they passed over two decades ago after the brouhaha which accompanied the illegal call out of troops for security duties after the Hilton Hotel bombing way back in the 1970s...

Quote:

the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts

[url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url]

Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::)

Me too mostly just logistical support.

Are you still a reservist Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::)

It's a compulsory call-up as well, I wonder what the penalty will be for any reservist who can't make it? Forfeit two months pay and confined to a prison lock-up for the rest of Summer?

Libs are bastards aren't they?

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian?

Not for nigh on forty years, mate.  I am overage and over the hill.  It is a young persons' game nowadays.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) It's a compulsory call-up as well, I wonder what the penalty will be for any reservist who can't make it? Forfeit two months pay and confined to a prison lock-up for the rest of Summer? Libs are bastards aren't they?

They would be charged with being "Absent without leave from a parade or place of rendezvous" under the old Military Law manual.  No idea what it would be now.   ::)

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian?

Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters?

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:38pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters?

No.  I think this is 'cause they want to appear to be doing something, anything.  They have deployed large numbers before.  Problem is, all states are facing emergencies at the moment, so there aren't that many to go 'round.

This situation calls for a great leader, Big Arn.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:34pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Not for nigh on forty years, mate.  I am overage and over the hill.  It is a young persons' game nowadays.

I am glad they are not fighting fires untrained...

it isnt just a matter of putting out fires....

we are on alert here in ACT  and I was told  the RFS  wasnt going to look at fighting the fire or keeping property safe    just looking after saving lives if this fire tsunami hits us.....

they are stretched and appear to be the only ones trained for a catastrophe of this proportions....

all I know is... NZ is earthquake bound   and everywhere you go there are What to do instructions  we seem to have nothing of that  kind for HUGE FIRES.....I dont even know if any of our emergency services.. are actually affiliated..

does the left hand know what the right hand is doing   

kind of thing??


at least our ADF is trained to follow orders without question.... I hope they keep safe.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:38pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters? No.  I think this is 'cause they want to appear to be doing something, anything.  They have deployed large numbers before.  Problem is, all states are facing emergencies at the moment, so there aren't that many to go 'round.

I think Scumo is suffering from severe embarrassment after all the criticism and is now overreacting.

However the extra 4 water bombing planes sounds a good idea

It has got the prick off his knees praying anyway!   ;D ;D ;D

Not sure about big water bombing planes being all that useful, Red.

In the past the authorities have made it clear they prefer smaller aircraft because they are easier and quicker to load than big planes and can land on roads/small paddocks/airstrips.  Big planes work when you have a lot of larger airstrips and loads of tankers to fill them with.  In Australia, we also lack large bodies of water for the most part so seaplane aircraft like the Canadair CL215/415s are out.    ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:

Not sure about big water bombing planes being all that useful, Red. In the past the authorities have made it clear they prefer smaller aircraft because they are easier and quicker to load than big planes and can land on roads/small paddocks/airstrips.  Big planes work when you have a lot of larger airstrips and loads of tankers to fill them with.  In Australia, we also lack large bodies of water for the most part so seaplane aircraft like the Canadair CL215/415s are out.    ::)

I see, I dont know much about I admit!

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:10pm:

Not sure about big water bombing planes being all that useful, Red. In the past the authorities have made it clear they prefer smaller aircraft because they are easier and quicker to load than big planes and can land on roads/small paddocks/airstrips.  Big planes work when you have a lot of larger airstrips and loads of tankers to fill them with.  In Australia, we also lack large bodies of water for the most part so seaplane aircraft like the Canadair CL215/415s are out.    ::)

exactly we stopped building dams yonks ago... why did we ever stop?????????


maybe the desalination plants could be used??...I dunno anything about logistics   so probably not...

we are lets face it totally unprepared......and I dont put all the blame on Morrison.

best I think they can do bri  is give those a break that have done so much already....

lets be fair this is unprecedented...

Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!!

:-? :-? :-?

cods wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:10pm: Not sure about big water bombing planes being all that useful, Red. In the past the authorities have made it clear they prefer smaller aircraft because they are easier and quicker to load than big planes and can land on roads/small paddocks/airstrips.  Big planes work when you have a lot of larger airstrips and loads of tankers to fill them with.  In Australia, we also lack large bodies of water for the most part so seaplane aircraft like the Canadair CL215/415s are out.    ::) exactly we stopped building dams yonks ago... why did we ever stop?????????

Not quite, Cods, not quite.  The problem is that dams silt up quite quickly, so they hold less water.  We have damned most rivers, often more than once.   Damming rivers tends to also make things downstream a little dicier for the people who live there.   

I suppose we could see Canadair CL215/415s skimming the surface of Lake Burley-Griffin, hey, Cods?  :)


Quote:

maybe the desalination plants could be used??...I dunno anything about logistics   so probably not... we are lets face it totally unprepared......and I dont put all the blame on Morrison. best I think they can do bri  is give those a break that have done so much already.... lets be fair this is unprecedented...

Scotty, from Marketing is the man at the top.  He is the one who is held responsible for what is occurring.   Some of it goes back decades but well, he's the one who decided he wanted to be the PM, no one else.  Time he took responsibility for what has happened and started to do something about fixing it.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::)

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:45pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:38pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters? No.  I think this is 'cause they want to appear to be doing something, anything.  They have deployed large numbers before.  Problem is, all states are facing emergencies at the moment, so there aren't that many to go 'round. I think Scumo is suffering from severe embarrassment after all the criticism and is now overreacting. However the extra 4 water bombing planes sounds a good idea It has got the prick off his knees praying anyway!   ;D ;D ;D

Take your partisan pants off for 2 mins.  What's happening now is unprecedented and regardless of who is PM it would play out the same. Scomo is just screwing up the PR side of things.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:36pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) It's a compulsory call-up as well, I wonder what the penalty will be for any reservist who can't make it? Forfeit two months pay and confined to a prison lock-up for the rest of Summer? Libs are bastards aren't they? They would be charged with being "Absent without leave from a parade or place of rendezvous" under the old Military Law manual.  No idea what it would be now.   ::)

There's always penalties for non-compliance of compulsory requirements. You can be sure the military and Lib politician bastards will think of some sort of punishment, but we won't hear about what it'll be.

The Reservists volunteered to do military training in the first place, they don't deserve to have any penalty hanging over them. The thing is, had the military asked for reservists to volunteer to do this bushfire work, they might have got more than 3,000 volunteers


 

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 3:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:38pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters? No.  I think this is 'cause they want to appear to be doing something, anything.  They have deployed large numbers before.  Problem is, all states are facing emergencies at the moment, so there aren't that many to go 'round.

So like I said they don't have much to add to the capacity, just the logistics and hopefully the cleanup

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:14pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:10pm: Not sure about big water bombing planes being all that useful, Red. In the past the authorities have made it clear they prefer smaller aircraft because they are easier and quicker to load than big planes and can land on roads/small paddocks/airstrips.  Big planes work when you have a lot of larger airstrips and loads of tankers to fill them with.  In Australia, we also lack large bodies of water for the most part so seaplane aircraft like the Canadair CL215/415s are out.    ::) exactly we stopped building dams yonks ago... why did we ever stop????????? Not quite, Cods, not quite.  The problem is that dams silt up quite quickly, so they hold less water.  We have damned most rivers, often more than once.   Damming rivers tends to also make things downstream a little dicier for the people who live there.    I suppose we could see Canadair CL215/415s skimming the surface of Lake Burley-Griffin, hey, Cods?  :) Quote: maybe the desalination plants could be used??...I dunno anything about logistics   so probably not... we are lets face it totally unprepared......and I dont put all the blame on Morrison. best I think they can do bri  is give those a break that have done so much already.... lets be fair this is unprecedented... Scotty, from Marketing is the man at the top.  He is the one who is held responsible for what is occurring.   Some of it goes back decades but well, he's the one who decided he wanted to be the PM, no one else.  Time he took responsibility for what has happened and started to do something about fixing it.  Tsk, tsk.  ::) ::) it cant be fixed till we get the upper hand.... tell me Bri what would you do right at this moment in time?... we hear all the arguments but no solutions.... I have suggested a few things in other thread but get howled down  or called a dickhead..or words to that affect......

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:45pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:38pm: Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:31pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:06pm: Quote: the reservists would have four key responsibilities:     Provide isolated communities with life-saving supplies for immediate relief     Provide evacuation assistance to vulnerable people in isolated communities     Assist with assessment and reopening of vital roads     Assist fire services with preparation of fire breaks away from the fire fronts [url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-04/australia-defence-reservists-to-help-in-bushfire-recovery/11840764]Source[/url] Thought so.  Not much firefighting going to happen.   ::) Me too mostly just logistical support. Are you still a reservist Brian? Is that because as I suspected they have limited capacity to deploy large numbers of rural fire fighters? No.  I think this is 'cause they want to appear to be doing something, anything.  They have deployed large numbers before.  Problem is, all states are facing emergencies at the moment, so there aren't that many to go 'round. So like I said they don't have much to add to the capacity, just the logistics and hopefully the cleanup

I think everything will be very much appreciated  gordy when this is over...its going to take a long time to adjust for thousands....I would imagine tradies will be in great demand....we have had PANIC set in in Canberra   we were put on alert for the devils weather today....and the shops were emptied in a flash.....

we dont seem to deal very well and really Canberra hasnt been under any pressure until now...

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!! :-? :-? :-?

That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

Take your partisan pants off for 2 mins.  What's happening now is unprecedented and regardless of who is PM it would play out the same. Scomo is just screwing up the PR side of things.

scomo was warned this was coming months ago .. he ignored the warning and did nothing to help prevent it, in fact hr made things worse by cutting funding by 35% for NSW alone. I haven't checked the other stated but you can bet he cut funding everywhere else too. Take your partisan pants of and allocate blame where it is deserved instead of trying to blame the greens

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7

It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up
and it's compulsory.
Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will?

This could cause huge losses - deaths.

cods wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:31pm:

it cant be fixed till we get the upper hand.... tell me Bri what would you do right at this moment in time?... we hear all the arguments but no solutions.... I have suggested a few things in other thread but get howled down  or called a dickhead..or words to that affect......

What would I do, if I was Scotty from Marketing?

I'd declare a national emergency.  I would form an equivalent to a war cabinet and I would invite the Leader of the Opposition to serve as deputy PM for the duration of the emergency.

I would bring the ADF in.  I would bring from overseas the help which had been refused at the start of the Bushfires from France and the US.  I would organise a national response to the problem of the bushfires.

I would prepare the ADF to fight bushfires.  I'd provide them with training in how to do it and equipment to do it with.   Time the ADF earnt their pay.

I would call upon the Australian people to support the bush fire fighters.

I would organise the states to conduct regular burnoffs to reduce the fuel load.  I would employ Indigenous Australian firestick methods to do it with .

Once it was all over and done with, I'd then organise victory parades and then I'd keep my mouth shut and tell all my ministers to keep their mouths shut about what they had done.   If Scotty, from Marketing likes to get votes out of this, I'd recommend he leaves it to the Australian electorate to reward or punish him.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths.

They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies.

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies.

The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they?
Do they have PPE - safety gear?
Are they trained to fight fires?

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies.

some one has to do it   and yep gordy even volunteers get tired......I know a crying shame

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires?

NO THEY DONT bobby  I have already asked why are they not trained in fighting fires   after all we are well known for bushfires..

but I got howled down....soppy idea...they are there to fight WARS not fires even when they are not at WAR... ::) ::)


makes sense to some...

this is an emergency   its gone ballistic...but all most on here do is look for someone to blame... pathetic.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires?

You are a farquit!

Even dopey Morriscum isnt suggesting they will be fighting fires!

Where did you get that idea idiot?

Look up logistic support etc dopey!

::) ::) ::) ::)

You really are stupid!!

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires?

Most of the Garrison Support functions like cooking, cleaning and support functions like fire fighting on bases were contracted out to SERCO or TransField years ago.   Navy used to have it's own firefighter branch and all the equipment that went with it.  Now, they call the local firebrigade if there is a serious fire on a base that the duty watch can't handle.  I have been at Army and RAAF bases over the years where it is the same.     They have a small self defence against fire, but everything else is contracted out.        RAN do haver firefighter theory and practical training for firefighting that has to requalified for evry few years but it is really only for shipboard use and in the main not a transferable skill for fires the size we are seeing at the moment

The same people complaining about Scummo receiving criticism for his inept handling of the bush fires are the same ass holes who have no problem blaming the Greens....Pathetic???

::) ::) ::)

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/two-people-have-died-in-the-catastrophic-kangaroo-island-bushfire/news-story/5871473c9936beea18b31db7b461d0e5

Acclaimed Australian bush pilot Dick Lang, and his son Clayton, have been killed in the catastrophic bushfire that scorched more than 150,000 hectares on Kangaroo Island.

The Advertiser has been told prominent Adelaide tourism operator Dick, and his son died in the inferno.

SA Police Deputy Commissioner Linda Williams confirmed two deaths during a media conference in Adelaide on Saturday morning.

“Regrettably, we can confirm that two people are deceased in the fire,” Ms Williams said.

A CFS crew discovered the body of one person in a burnt-out car on the Playford Highway at Gosse, and a second body was also found nearby.


“I don’t want to make assumptions but I would say it’s linked to a vehicle that was discovered near Parndana.”

Premier Steven Marshall described the deaths as a tragedy.

“Our hearts go out to the family of those affected,” he said.

Mr Marshall said the fire had destroyed the majority of the Flinders Chase National Park in the southwest of the island — Australia’s third-largest.

“The fires that occurred (on Friday) were significantly worse than in 2007 in Flinders Chase because it took out all of the building infrastructure within this national park,” he said.



so cruel....

did we not place koala bears on Kangaroo Island a few years back... the whole island is in danger

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

The same people complaining about Scummo receiving criticism for his inept handling of the bush fires are the same ass holes who have no problem blaming the Greens....Pathetic??? ::) ::) ::)

a need to blame  a need to say I could do Better...

yet when push comes to shove   they PANIC>.

shops emptied   garages closed due to greedy....we need to have rationing at times like this....instead we run around like chooks with no heads....my daughter who I depend on very much  is having PANIC attacks..due to the stress  running around trying to buy bottled water....and this just in case we get the fire... :( :( :( :(

Vic wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:00pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires? Most of the Garrison Support functions like cooking, cleaning and support functions like fire fighting on bases were contracted out to SERCO or TransField years ago.   Navy used to have it's own firefighter branch and all the equipment that went with it.  Now, they call the local firebrigade if there is a serious fire on a base that the duty watch can't handle.  I have been at Army and RAAF bases over the years where it is the same.     They have a small self defence against fire, but everything else is contracted out.        RAN do haver firefighter theory and practical training for firefighting that has to requalified for evry few years but it is really only for shipboard use and in the main not a transferable skill for fires the size we are seeing at the moment

Thanks Vic,
does that mean that I'm right and that  Redmond- above -
owes me an apology for all that abuse?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:00pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires? Most of the Garrison Support functions like cooking, cleaning and support functions like fire fighting on bases were contracted out to SERCO or TransField years ago.   Navy used to have it's own firefighter branch and all the equipment that went with it.  Now, they call the local firebrigade if there is a serious fire on a base that the duty watch can't handle.  I have been at Army and RAAF bases over the years where it is the same.     They have a small self defence against fire, but everything else is contracted out.        RAN do haver firefighter theory and practical training for firefighting that has to requalified for evry few years but it is really only for shipboard use and in the main not a transferable skill for fires the size we are seeing at the moment Thanks Vic, does that mean that I'm right and that  Redmond- above - owes me an apology for all that abuse?

It was a long time ago but my platoon was sent to fight a fire close to Holsworthy camp and all we were given was shovels, no water or anything. Lucky for us, the fire had just about burnt out by the time we got there

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:26pm: Vic wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:16pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:00pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:50pm: Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:48pm: Gordon wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:05pm: 3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires. Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months. Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response. The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-for-horror-day/news-story/2bb230f56113582d638e9fe6c9ab09e7 It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up and it's compulsory. Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will? This could cause huge losses - deaths. They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies. The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they? Do they have PPE - safety gear? Are they trained to fight fires? Most of the Garrison Support functions like cooking, cleaning and support functions like fire fighting on bases were contracted out to SERCO or TransField years ago.   Navy used to have it's own firefighter branch and all the equipment that went with it.  Now, they call the local firebrigade if there is a serious fire on a base that the duty watch can't handle.  I have been at Army and RAAF bases over the years where it is the same.     They have a small self defence against fire, but everything else is contracted out.        RAN do haver firefighter theory and practical training for firefighting that has to requalified for evry few years but it is really only for shipboard use and in the main not a transferable skill for fires the size we are seeing at the moment Thanks Vic, does that mean that I'm right and that  Redmond- above - owes me an apology for all that abuse? It was a long time ago but my platoon was sent to fight a fire close to Holsworthy camp and all we were given was shovels, no water or anything. Lucky for us, the fire had just about burnt out by the time we got there

Thanks Bias,
therefore Redmond owes me an apology.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/technology/us-canadian-firefighters-will-help-local-efforts-in-bushfire-crisis/news-story/b3682d095caacf22de608e1fb123a9d9

North American firefighters have been arriving in Australia since early December to assist in the country’s bushfire crisis with more to be deployed on Monday.

For the first time since 2010, the US is sending firefighters while Canada is sending fire experts to Australia for the first time.


According to the National Interagency Fire Centre, the US government agency that coordinates international deployment of firefighters, roughly 100 American firefighters have been sent to Australia over the last four weeks, with 50 to 60 more planned to be dispatched on Monday.

Stephen Tulle, duty officer with the Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre, said there are currently 84 Canadian fire experts stationed in Queensland and NSW on a six-week deployment.

Canadians are keen to repay Australian assistance received during the 2017 and 2018 fires in the province of British Columbia.

The Canadian contingent says the Australian bushfire crisis is unlike anything they have experienced before.

About 13 million acres of have been burned and at least 17 people have died.

Glen Burgress, who is co-ordinating Canadian efforts out of Sydney, says these fires are particularly severe.

“I’ve seen a lot of pretty dramatic fire behaviour but nothing like what we’re seeing here,” he told the Calgary Herald. “The temperatures are so different and the fire behaviours are so different. It’s not what we’re used to dealing with, for sure. The basics of firefighting don’t really change, but the volatility and the rates of spread are really something we’re not overly used to.”



perhaps some would like to take this on board....when they are blaming everyone and everything... >:( >:(

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:23pm: Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!! :-? :-? :-? That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless

There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago???

:( :( :(

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:23pm: Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!! :-? :-? :-? That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago??? :( :( :(

There's fighting over water resources now. If we don't get wide coverage of rain soon, we'll be stuffed

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 5:57pm: Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:45pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:23pm: Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!! :-? :-? :-? That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago??? :( :( :( There's fighting over water resources now. If we don't get wide coverage of rain soon, we'll be stuffed

Hope you stay safe mate....I can only imagine this will get worse before it gets better???

:( :( :(

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/animated-airplane-2b630ce7344269583.gif  -------<-----<----<----- breaking news from juliar.... Scooty stands tall on fire disaster sweeping the nation ..... what a tall drink of water he is....... meanwhile Cobargo residents continue to curse him for trying for a photo op in the midst of their pain.. same with Gladys who's never seen a bushfire in her life -----<-----<-----<-----<<<<

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

The same people complaining about Scummo receiving criticism for his inept handling of the bush fires are the same ass holes who have no problem blaming the Greens....Pathetic??? ::) ::) ::)

Why wouldn't you pass a portion of the blame onto them?

They're the ones who openly called for & demonstrated to close up forested areas, make them National Parks & removing all human activities like sustainable logging & grazing and fuel reduction burning.

---

I would imagine  our defence force helicopter pilots have a lot more training to fly under these conditions....lets be grateful   for a change that we have these amazing people who risk everything for the rest of us....

we can all accept some of the blame... look at the trash that gets left in our bush by human bush walkers and or drivers and campers.......even dumped deliberately   

we can all accept some of the blame.....

Finally some rain has come with cool conditions:

In Melbourne it's only 12 degrees right now!


http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/observations/vicall.shtml

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:46pm:

he ignored the warning and did nothing to help prevent it, in fact hr made things worse by cutting funding by 35% for NSW alone.

NSW cut the NSW fire budget. Not the feds.

"Mr Morrison said federal governments had "traditionally always acted on the posture of the respond to request" from the states, but the devastating fire season across the country, which has months to run over summer, had spurred a direct intervention from the Commonwealth."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pm-calls-up-reservists-for-firefighting-effort-20200104-p53os7.html

These fires started last September....Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control....Now Scotty from marketing has been dragged into action too late and too little....By finally committing extra resources Scotty from marketing has admitted these resources should have been utilised months ago before this crisis became unmanageable....Now the dickhead want's us to believe his Government has taken timely action and is promoting his late response as a sign of his great leadership....Too little, too late and too smug by half....F@#k you Scott Morrison!!!

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:

Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control.

What part of the states asking for Federal help didn't you understand? ::)

Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 1:44pm: Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control. What part of the states asking for Federal help didn't you understand? ::)

iy id odd dome folks dont like to see BLAME appropriated  until they need someone to BLAME>..


the ADF have been there since Sept...we are we never were prepared for something of this size....

how is that the PMs fault?.....is he meant to snatch fire trained crews out of the air????....why is Victoria so unprepared   didnt they have a huge fire that killed 173 people not that long ago..... didnt they call it black Saturday and that Vic would never be caught out again?????????....  yet here they are....the fires havent been going since sept  yet already they have caught up and its getting worse....

wheres Dan  has he got his hard hat on and his bucket ready???????.... or is it only the PMs job to get this sorted.????>.. >:( >:(



fire like water is almost unstoppable    I admit we need to do a whole better... we need to be prepared with everyone on board.....it isnt a one man job.

AiA wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:01pm:

Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home.

god only knows what all that means   but look in your own back yard sunshine your COUNTRY is a mess of giant proportions   

and No it isnt one mans fault..

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:06pm:

AiA wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:01pm: Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home. god only knows what all that means   but look in your own back yard sunshine your COUNTRY is a mess of giant proportions    and No it isnt one mans fault..

Have you been drinking again, cods?

AiA wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:08pm:

cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:06pm: AiA wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 2:01pm: Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home. god only knows what all that means   but look in your own back yard sunshine your COUNTRY is a mess of giant proportions    and No it isnt one mans fault.. Have you been drinking again, cods?

so you dont know what you meant either... ::) ::)

sometimes when dealing here, I wish I did drink....

the stoooopid sure make you wanna do something.

ScoMo has just called in the Military to save the hapless Medical industry and even cook meals at restaurants because the Chef's are incompetant.
Only Politicians and Military are the only 'capable' industries in this part of the world.

What's the rush, Scottie?

Gladys?  How long does it take a useless lower north shore clown who's never held a job and never seen a bushfire up close to work out that this is a disaster?  You had to ask for federal help, dickhead - learn your job!

Why do we continue to over-pay these cretins?