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Title: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm
PM Scott Morrison defends climate policies and asks Australians to be 'patient' over fires
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/02/pm-scott-morrison-defends-climate-policies-and-asks-australians-to-be-patient-over-fires Morrison also referred to the government’s plans to review “all contributing factors” to the prolonged fire season, which included the inquiry into land clearing, which was set up in early December, to review policies across the states. “Other issues of how you manage hazard reduction are important because, as you say, the impact, more broadly, of climate change on these issues has a pronounced effect on the length of the fire season,” he said. “That, equally then has a need to address issues around hazard reduction for national parks, dealing with land-clearing laws, zoning laws and planning walls around people’s properties and where they can be built in countries like Australia, up and down the coast. That being the case with the climatic effects of what we are seeing, there are many restrictions around those effects that have to be reviewed on the basis on the broader climatic effect we are seeing in this country.” |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:44pm
Anything from the Lefty guardian is just pure propaganda rubbish.
Since ScoMo put ITA there now Labor and GetUp! cannot use the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station any more and so they use the Lefty Guardian instead. ScoMo did NOT link the natural fires to the fraudulent Climate Change SCAM as he is far too smart for that and he does NOT suck up to the sick diseased Greenies like Anal does. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:45pm
Do you think they made up the quotes Juliar? How hard are you going to try to bury your head in the sand?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:48pm
One suspects I am NOT the one living under the sand as I see the FACTS clearly that are before every Australian - the sick diseased Greenies are clearly responsible for the bush fires by banning the clearing of undergrowth.
Voter retribution is coming for the repulsive Greenies. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by philperth2010 on Jan 6th, 2020 at 8:36pm
Unprecedented drought, record temperatures and the fire season starting in winter are all indicators that Australia needs to take climate change seriously....Scummo can no longer deny there is a problem and despite his feel good rhetoric he will do nothing to establish a National emissions reduction policy....You think once you identify a problem you would work to fix it???
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 6th, 2020 at 10:59pm juliar wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:48pm:
Do you believe that Morrison linked the fires to climate change, or do you think The Guardian made it up? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 6th, 2020 at 11:35pm
Hmmmm .... to me unprecedented drought, record temperatures and the fire season starting in winter mean we need to take unprecedented drought, record temperatures and the fire season starting in winter more seriously.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ye Grappler on Jan 6th, 2020 at 11:37pm freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm:
All ideas long overdue, but not in he minds of the ordinary person out here - including such things as a total ban on developing animal habitats, such as koalas on the Gold Coast.. build around but not through... bloody white shoe brigade.. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Yadda on Jan 6th, 2020 at 11:39pm Quote:
QUESTION; Is there any conclusive scientific evidence that the 'weather' on the sun will [is what is] significantly, affecting the weather [heating and cooling] upon earth ? QUESTION; If there is conclusive evidence that the 'weather' on the sun is affecting the weather upon earth, should we [human beings] stop burning coal ? i.e. ....to what purpose ? QUESTION; And can anyone explain to me, ....how not burning coal on earth, will affect the 'weather' on the sun, and thereby effect a cooling of our worldwide weather upon earth ? p.s. I also think that we should remove all shipping from the oceans. Eureka !!..... If we do this, and also stop building new 'super-ships' [and floating them in the oceans], then it stands to reason that sea-levels will fall. Yes, lets remove all shipping from the oceans in order to effect lower sea-levels. Who's with me ? And while we're at it, vehicular accidents worldwide are the cause of a tremendous loss of human life. WWW search..... An estimated 1.2 million people are killed in road crashes each year, I vote for, lets back to the horse and cart, for a safer world, for man. Who's with me ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:03am
Yadda Yadda is trying to convert everyone to ISLAM.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:13am
The fires were a result of a cyclic weather event that occurs every 30 years or so when dry hot weather predominates as it has many times in the past.
Unfortunately the sick diseased Greenies had banned the clearing of undergrowth and so we got the big fires. These big fires have occurred before in most states and so it is just a natural recurring weather event. Trying to get the sick diseased Greenies off the hook by lying about the non existent Climate Change SCAM is just blatant fraud. The Aboriginies reckon the white fella is downright stupid allowing the huge amount of undergrowth to build up. But it was the sick diseased Greenies who weevilled their way into councils and BANNED the clearing of undergrowth who are the GUILTY PARTY!!!!! GUILTY of burning Australia to the ground!!!!! Wonder how many votes they will get at the next election now that people HATE and DESPISE these horrible brutes. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Redmond Neck on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:58am
Yadda Yadda and You both need locking up in the looney bin!
Nutters!! |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:02am
Reddy just can't cope with the evil the Greenies have committed and goes over to the standard Lefty deny and lie mode.
In the meantime clever ScoMo is turning the bushfires into a massive triumph and winning lots of votes. While sloppy slow Anal just inflames voters by shamelessly trying to exploit the fires for his own personal gain and adding insult to injury by fraudulently trying to support the Greenies by mouthing their Climate Change SCAM rubbish. And ScoMo certainly did NOT link the naturally occurring bushfires to the Greenies' fraudulent Climate Change SCAM. No it was Anal that tried to do that and inflamed voters with furious anger and HATE. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:32am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:13am:
Have you ever bothered to fact check that? Can you list any policy that the Green have implemented that support your claim and would, it seems, after a simple google search, be in counter to their own party platform? Quote:
https://greens.org.au/bushfires I look forward to your proof to back up your claims, lest they be exposed as your usual lies. We can look at the facts quickly. We know where your claims come from. The chief accuser is Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce who says “greens policy” gets in the way “of many of the practicalities of fighting a fire and managing it”. Among Joyce’s claims, the main one is that Greens policies have made hazard reduction activities more difficult. This claim, just to be clear, is about the policies of a party that has never been in government. You realise that right Juliar? Joyce also blamed the Greens for “paperwork” that made it harder to carry out hazard reduction activities. According to Ross Bradstock, senior professor, School of Earth, Atmospheric and Life Sciences, University of Wollongong, Joyce’s claims are familiar but “without foundation.” “It’s simply conspiracy stuff. It’s an obvious attempt to deflect the conversation away from climate change.” Former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, Greg Mullins, has written this week that the hotter and drier conditions, and the higher fire danger ratings, were preventing agencies from carrying out prescribed burning. He said: “Blaming ‘greenies’ for stopping these important measures is a familiar, populist, but basically untrue claim.” So the effect of climate change is having a greater effect than the non-existent one from the Greens in terms of preventing hazard reduction burns. Please, if you have any evidence whatsoever to back up your claims about the Green, please share. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:36am juliar wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:48pm:
and yet another great distraction from the elephant in the room which is climate change :( |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:52am
What about all the fracking going on lately? CSG has ruined this country ....and they were told years ago that it would. Now....here we are.
The amount of water dammed up around the place.....taking water from all the creeks, artisan basin, groundwater etc. This all will have an effect on environment. Wake up people. Global warming is a hoax. Man made global warming is not us driving our cars around...no... it's big buisiness changing our environments. They are creating an environment. I found this vid the other day. The start is what I am referring to. https://youtu.be/PBsFVn-kKV8 |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:01am
Oh....and the fires are the result of some sick twisted c@#ts who go around lighting them.
The bush doesn't just spontainously combust. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:02am juliar wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:48pm:
The greenies have not the power to do that Spot |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:27am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:02am:
Nor do they have any such policies. This is their policy: "Our policy on this is clear and hasn't changed recently. "The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burning (before bushfire season) to reduce the impact of bushfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise." |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:41am
NSW also exceeded all their hazard reduction goals leading up to this, there was no reduction, and this was despite the funding cuts the local state government implemented.
NSW also exceeded all their hazard reduction goals leading up to this, there was no reduction, and this was despite the funding cuts the local state government implemented. Quote:
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:46am
Holy Moses, the loonies are out in force all trying to deny the TRUTH.
ScoMo did NOT link the bush fires to the Greenies Climate Change SCAM. Why would he as it is all bulldust. ScoMo leaves that bulldust to Anal who is controlled by the sick Greenies because Labor needs the sick Greenies to get the numbers. How many of the arsonists are Lunatic Extremist Greenies ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:57am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:46am:
wut? Firstly, he said this, “Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today." If climate change is a hoax, how will reducing emissions "both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today."? Secondly, how do the Green control anything? In NSW alone the Hazard Reduction decisions are made by, "policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environmental groups and governments." How is that, "The Greenies"? Thirdly, How many of the arsonists are right-wing extremists ? Where is the "TRUTH" in anything you've said? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by cods on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:19am
an awful lot of people have been charges with arson sad.......one man alone in ACT was caught lighting several..........they do it on purpose......then we have the people who go camping yes camping or bushwalking
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/hills-shire-times/campers-in-north-sydney-national-park-lit-fire-marine-rescue/news-story/c7e5ea4c5e8be837d2423e1bb310999a in the NATIONAL PARK of all places..... seriously sad there is an awful lot going on out there oh yes and now looters... wouldnt you know? I dont search out if they are right or left wing not sure why that matters at times like this all I know we seem to have our share of bad people.... the police are going to name and shame those people who did burnt outs and robbed the local servo after leaving the Summer Nats in ACT..... on social media its time we named and shamed a few others I am think> >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:55am
A fire is delibratly lit by a shyte c@#t human. (They should all be shot dead on the spot when caught imo)
This fire turns into a monster, out of control raging inferno...creating its own weather patterns etc. OUR honest hardworking gov then try to shift blame on to the current global climate situation propaganda circulating our information networks. How the fkkkn hell can this happen? How can people swallow this garbage. The fire is delibratly lit ffs....NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING AT ALL! I bet that if not one fire was lit in NSW that there would be.......NO FIRES AT ALL! |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:59am
How many of the arsonists are Lunatic Extremist Greenies ?
The shamed and discredited Greenies are finished. who is Anal going to try to woo to get his numbers now ? And ScoMo did NOT link the naturally occurring bushfires to the fraudulent Greenies Climate Change SCAM. Why would he as it is all bulldust ? No it is Anal doing this as he tries to suck up to the wreckage of the collapsing shamed Lunatic Extremist Greenies. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:04am cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:19am:
Climate change doesn't start fires. I agree that the arsonists need to be punished to the full extent of the law. There is however more to the equation than how the fires are started. I've seen sap magnify sunlight and start a fire. Lightning strikes, Power Lines, Careless morons, accidents, industry, we can't prevent the fires from starting. You're again trying to distract away from the topic and muddy the waters. You're not as bad as some so maybe that's uncalled for, my bad. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:06am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:59am:
Exact quote from him, Quote:
It's there in black and white... Do you want the video so you can ignore that too? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:08am
Skippy the not very bright uneducated Greeny Kangyroo is kind of sad and pathetic as she tries and fails to sound intelligent. Her weak mind is just not up to mixing it with the big boys.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:10am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:08am:
Do you want the video or not? It's really not a hard concept to understand... |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:14am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:59am:
Do you think the Guardian made up the quotes? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:26am
Now everyman and his dog is moving as far away from the disgraced shamed disgusting Greenies as possible.
Greens playing politics with fire, say Labor and Coalition GREG BROWN ANDREW CLENNELL 12:00AM NOVEMBER 12, 2019 Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack in Warana, Queensland, on Sunday. Picture: AAP Senior Coalition and Labor MPs have launched a bitter attack on the Greens for suggesting climate change policies are responsible for the catastrophic bushfire threat confronting NSW and Queensland. As firefighters braced for the arrival of high winds and low humidity that threaten some of the worst conditions seen since the Black Saturday bushfires a decade ago, Greens leader Richard Di Natale sparked fury from both major parties when he said the nation’s emissions policy had caused the fires that killed three people and injured 100.| Senior Nationals turned the attack back on the Greens, suggesting that environmental opposition to backburning, particularly in national parks, had exacerbated the bushfire threat. NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro criticised his state’s National Parks Service for contributing to the catastrophic threat facing the state by failing to carry out extensive backburning in the lead-up to bushfire season. “We need to do more hazard reduction, (burning) in national parks to manage the fuel load,” Mr Barilaro told The Australian. “Everyone knows that this is a real issue and I’ve got the guts to say it.” Senator Di Natale sparked the row on Monday when he said: “Every politician, lobbyist, pundit and journalist who has fought to block serious action on climate change bears responsibility for the increasing risk from a heating planet that is producing these deadly bushfires.” Bushfires have been occurring for many years. Federal Labor agriculture spokesman Joel Fitzgibbon, who is facing fire threats in his NSW seat of Hunter, lashed the Greens for politicising the catastrophe. Mr Fitzgibbon said it was “absolutely the wrong time to be looking for political opportunity and it’s also hypocritical given the Greens opposed the CPRS (the Rudd government’s carbon pollution reduction scheme)”. “But if Scott Morrison wasn’t sitting back and allowing emissions to increase every year there would be less political tension in the necessary community conversation about the need to act and adapt to our changing weather patterns,” he added. Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack criticised the Greens’ comments as the “disgraceful, disgusting” behaviour of “raving inner-city lunatics”. The Nationals leader said Australia had experienced bushfires since “time began” and he found it “galling” that people linked the catastrophe with climate change. “What people need now is a little bit of sympathy, understanding and real assistance, they need help, they need shelter,” Mr McCormack said. “They don’t need the ravings of some pure, enlightened and woke capital-city greenies at this time when they’re trying to save their homes.” However, Greens MP Adam Bandt said Mr McCormack was a “dangerous fool” who was putting lives at risk through the government’s inaction on climate change. “Thoughts and prayers are not enough; we need science and action too,” Mr Bandt said. “They’ve done everything in their power to make these catastrophic fires more likely. When you cuddle coal in Canberra, the rest of the country burns.” Former prime minister Kevin Rudd hit out at the Greens’ comments, pointing out it was the Greens who had blocked action on climate change when they opposed the CPRS in 2009. “Seriously? If it weren’t for the Green party’s political opportunism in 2009-10, we would now be 10 years into an emissions trading scheme, a fully functioning carbon price, a long-term transition from coal and leading global action on climate,” Mr Rudd told The Australian. “Instead, what did the Green party do? To try and score political points off my government, they hypocritically jumped into bed with the Liberals to defeat my legislation in the Senate. The rest is history.” NSW Agriculture Minister Adam Marshall echoed Mr Barilaro’s sentiments, saying: “More needs to be done to clear fire trails, back burning operations and allow controlled stock grazing to keep fuel loads down. Better management would help enormously and lack of good quality local management has contributed.” Mr Marshall told parliament three weeks ago that he had written to state Environment Minister Matt Kean “requesting a full and immediate review of fire management in the state’s national parks”. “It is clear that landholders felt that there is a ‘lock it and leave it’ approach to management in national parks, which is not good enough,” Mr Marshall said at the time. Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce said it was “infuriating” the Greens were attempting to score political points by saying the government’s “inaction” on climate change had contributed to fires that had killed three people. The utter disgrace and shaming of the disgusting Greenies continues overleaf |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:26am
The utter disgrace and shaming of the disgusting Greenies continues...
Australia produced 1.3 per cent of the planet’s emissions, compared with China’s 27.5 per cent and the 14.75 per cent that comes from the US. Mr Joyce, a former deputy prime minister, said people were “once again talking about indigenous land management” because there were too many regulations around controlled burning ahead of bushfire season. “We haven’t had the capacity to easily access (hazard) reduction burns because of all of the paperwork that is part of green policy,” Mr Joyce said. NSW Rural Fire Service deputy commissioner Rob Rogers denied there had been less hazard-reduction burning than in previous years. “Hazard reductions have gone on each and every year. Each year we don’t get as much done as we would like,” he said. Mr Rogers cited an example of a fire near Lithgow in an area that had burned only five years ago and declared “you can never burn (as hazard reduction) the amount of area that has now burned’’. He said hazard reduction on its own was not enough to prevent bushfires. Shine Energy chief executive Ash Dodd, an indigenous businessman trying to build a coal-fired power station in central Queensland, said traditional owners had undertaken hazard reduction to manage the fire risk “since time immemorial”. “The responsibility of the build-up of surplus fuel must lay at the hands of state governments which do not allow seasonal burning based upon the traditions and customs of Australian traditional owners such as the Birri people,” Mr Dodd said. Hazard-reduction burning has also been a contentious issue in Queensland. A Queensland Audit Office report issued last year revealed the Queensland Fire and Emergency Services had missed key deadlines to improve the state’s bushfire readiness. The report, itself a follow up to a highly critical audit of QFES in 2014, had “improved its visibility and oversight” of bushfire risk, including establishing the Office of Bushfire Mitigation and area fire management groups. However, the audit office said the authority had not fully implemented any of the original 2014 recommendations despite committing to do so by the following year. University of Wollongong bushfire management expert Professor Ross Bradstock said it was misguided to blame insufficient hazard reduction for the massive bushfires. “Hazard reduction work in general has increased in NSW,” Professor Bradstock said. “There has been better targeting, so it is being done where it is more effective. We may find there are major success stories where properties have been saved.” Professor Bradstock said there were always going to be limitations to the effectiveness of such preventative measures. Despite $100m spent on hazard reduction, he said, “it only mitigates a small amount of risk”. Labor Senate leader Penny Wong said the immediate focus should be on firefighters battling the blazes, as well as people at risk and those grieving lost loved ones. “But I will say, it is the responsible thing, when we are through this current crisis, to focus on what we have to do to keep Australians safe,” she told parliament. “When I was climate minister, scientists were already warning of more intense fire seasons. Regrettably, these warnings have been proved correct.” https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/greens-playing-politics-with-fire-say-labor-and-coalition/news-story/d0943c5674694e0a3e3622201c5b3be9 |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:27am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 11:35pm:
Climate changes. It is nothing new. We had August bushfires in 1888 and 1946 just to name a couple. It was about 122F in Bourke in 1909. Still the record. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:30am juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:08am:
listen you degenerate piece of sh.t he gave you a direct quote from scumo and all you can do is hurl insults for no reason at all. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:31am lee wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:27am:
and when all of those records are broken on a yearly basis which record are you going to use then ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:34am
The not very bright uneducated ignoramus Greeny is reaching the limit of her backward schoolgirl's mind and becoming erratic and abusive. Classic dumb Greeny.
and just to confound and ridicule this idiotic dumb Greeny. Bushfire have been occurring for many years and are a natural occurrence and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Greenies'' fraudulent Climate Change SCAM which is all bulldust. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:38am Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:30am:
Why do you guys continue to engage with this idiot? Ignore him. When he's ignored he stops posting. Don't feed the troll. I've occasionally agreed with him on subjects, and told him that his arguments are valid and he still comes back with insults. He doesn't know how to hold a normal conversation. Ignore him. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:42am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:38am:
it only knows how to copy and paste which nobody ever reads and any original thought is just hurling abuse. Just another retard like the rest of the LNP supporters :( |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:47am
Gee Random/Greggy has awakened from his slumber and emptied his failing mind. But who believes anything silly old Random/Greggy mutters ?
And what a team Random/Greggy and the looney Greeny. Not a functioning brain between them. Which one is the dumbest ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:48am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:38am:
Yeah, I did it again. It is infuriating, especially given that I've got friends and family that have been evacuated, that someone, in this case Juliar, would exploit this topic to spread yet more lies. But you're right, I'll leave her alone so she can spew her vile bullshit without me. Other than the other tards on here trolling, any rational person can see through her lies anyway, it doesn't need to be corrected. Those who can't aren't going to respond to reason or reality anyway. They're all lost causes. I hope she's at least well compensated. I can't think of a worse job then having to come here, constantly tell blatant lies and then having to reject the facts and just attack random strangers online to pretend you have a leg up over them. Takes a real piece of poo to do that day in day out for what looks like years now, nearly 3000 days... It's interesting that she is still here, after all this time, doing the same thing over and over... Have fun Juliar. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:51am
Skippy the not very bright Greeny Kangyroo is becoming distressed as her weak uneducated mind just cannot cope with mixing it with the big boys.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:52am
Nothing in the post linking it to AGW. So tell us when the climate was stable? ;)
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:57am
This makes the lying shamed disgraced disgusting Greenies look kind of stupid doesn't it with their fraudulent Climate Change SCAM bulldust.
Big bush fires have occurred for many years and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Greenies' FRAUDULENT CLIMATE CHANGE SCAM bulldust. The Greenies' Climate Change SCAM is just a fraudulent attempt to create interest in the UN One World Socialist Govt in a Sustainable World as defined in the UN AGENDA 2030. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:59am lee wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:50am:
You are getting hysterical Lee. There is plenty there linking the fires to AGW: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/02/pm-scott-morrison-defends-climate-policies-and-asks-australians-to-be-patient-over-fires The prime minister made a point of acknowledging the link between reducing emissions and protecting environments against worsening bushfire seasons, but despite mounting criticism maintained his government’s current policies struck the right balance. “Our climate policy settings are to meet and beat the emissions reduction targets, emissions reduction under our government is 50m tonnes more than the previous government and we want to see them continue for this country and continue to better the achievements we have already made, with measures that achieve that,” he said. “Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:07pm freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:59am:
So when will the gov acknowledge the MAJOR f up regarding CSG and the removal of our water to supply private mining and farming enterprise? It is all relevant with regards to our so called "drought". The darling river is dry? It's not from lack of rain. Protecting environments.....bwahahahahahaha. Protection costs money......you don't have the money so...... ::) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:16pm freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:59am:
If you say so petal. You are getting increasingly hysterically funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So name these links. Not climate models but observational links. And don't use the CSIRO/BoM study that only went back to 1970. We had climate change before that. ;) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:18pm
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 5:59pm
The Guardian is just Lefty biased trashy propaganda.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by tickleandrose on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:08pm juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 11:34am:
Well, if you look at the chart again, Juliar, the mean temperature is increasing over the century. And despite, we have better fire fighting technique towards later half of 1900s, we get larger fires and more homes lost. I mean, I dont think there were flying fire bombers in 1930s. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:11pm lee wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 12:16pm:
Are you asking me to backup Morrison's comments while you are still too afraid to acknowledge he said them? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:13pm tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:08pm:
Using ACORN -2. But now link it to CO2. And remember correlation is not causation. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:16pm freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:11pm:
No petal you said there were plenty of links to AGW freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:11pm:
. No links there. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:18pm
TicklyRosy is trying to deny the FACTS. Typical Greeny who doesn't like the facts and much prefers the Greeny lies.
Certainly the best solution will be to deregister the shamed and disgraced evil Greenies. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by tickleandrose on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:33pm lee wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:13pm:
;) I like that graph. I am definitely saving it! But hey, the axis is wrong. It says, the lesser the pirates there are, the hotter it is. :) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by lee on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:34pm
Yap. A distinct lack of pirates raises temperature.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by tickleandrose on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:41pm juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Tickyrosy is trying to rearrange your thought pattern. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 7th, 2020 at 7:13pm
Perhaps drug use by Greenies is raising their temperature ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 11th, 2020 at 6:49pm
Juliar did you notice that even Morrison is linking the fires to climate change?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Captain Caveman on Jan 12th, 2020 at 6:15am Yadda wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 11:39pm:
Careful. They don't like it when it's easy to understand. Causes glitches in their propaganda spreading. 🤣🤣🤣 The sky is falling....the sky is falling. Hysterical chickens. Funny as. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 12th, 2020 at 3:38pm
FD you are being tricked by clever devious ScoMo's double speak.
ScoMo can afford to be a bit dicey after he has turned the bushfires into a massive vote winner for HIM. Yadda Yadda is trying to link the bushfires to Allah's fury at the infidels here who are not following Sharia Law like Yadda Yadda does. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:18pm freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm:
He was referring to the Indian Ocean Dipole climate effect. I have not heard anyone say that these or all the other fires would not have occurred if the CO2 in the atmosphere had not gone from 375 ppm to 400 ppm in recent decades (that is, from 0.0375% of the atmosphere to 0.04%, an increase of a WHOPPING, catastrophic, world-burning...er... 0.0025%). I haven't heard it because nobody is daft enough to say such a stupid thing. It's always only ever insinuated - because saying it out loud would render anyone an instant laughing-stock. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:29pm
An absence of controlled burns would invite uncontrolled burns — such as the gigantic wildfires that have ravaged much of this drought-hit nation since September.
As those fires roared through Australia’s eastern coast, killing residents and volunteer firefighters and destroying hundreds of houses, a not-unrelated court report appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald. It told the story of 71-year-old John David Chia, who in 2014 paid contractors to cut down and remove 74 trees on and around his property. The judge in this case noted that Chia’s primary motivation for the tree removal was ‘his concern about the risk of fire at his property’, but found also the Sydney pensioner’s actions had caused ‘substantial harm’ to the environment. Chia ended up copping a $40,000 fine — more than $500 for each tree. https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/fight-fire-with-fire-controlled-burning-could-have-protected-australia/ |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:30pm
Similar legal rulings have become frequent in Australia, as a kind of ecological religious fundamentalism has taken the place of common sense. In 2004, Liam Sheahan was charged $100,000 in fines and legal expenses after clearing land around his hilltop property in Reedy Creek, Victoria. Five years later, that property was the only structure left standing in the area following the state’s deadly Black Saturday fires.
In 2001, electricity transmitter TransGrid sensibly bulldozed a 60-metre clearing beneath high-voltage power lines in the Snowy Mountains. The company took the view that high voltages and close-proximity combustible material is not the best combination, but duly lost $500,000 in fines and settlements paid to the New South Wales state government, which described the actions as ‘environmental vandalism’. Two years later, the journalist Miranda Devine reported that the TransGrid clearing became sanctuary for kangaroos, wallabies and three TransGrid staffers who were desperately attempting to create a wider firebreak against that year’s bushfires. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:31pm
Even minor attempts to reduce that fuel load are punished. Let’s suppose, for example, you have a wood fireplace at your rural house. Doing the right thing by the law and the environment, you do not cut down any trees to use as firewood. Instead, you simply collect dead branches and fallen trees lying around in the bushland dirt. This also reduces the amount of fuel available for potential bushfires, so you’re on the side of the angels.
But wait! Heed the warning from NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service Central West area manager Fiona Buchanan, in April last year: ‘We are getting the message out there that removing firewood, including deadwood and fallen trees, is not permitted in national parks. We want people to know the rules around firewood collection… It’s important people are aware that on-the-spot fines apply but also very large fines can be handed out by the courts.’ |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:31pm
She wasn’t bluffing. A man had earlier been fined $30,000 for illegally collecting firewood in the Murrumbidgee Valley National Park. Why? Because, as Buchanan explained: ‘Many ground-dwelling animals and threatened species use tree hollows for nesting, so when fallen trees and deadwood is taken illegally, it destroys their habitat. This fallen timber is part of these animals’ natural ecosystem.’
Those natural ecosystems are now, across thousands of hectares of national parks in New South Wales, nothing but cinders and ash. Enjoy your protected habitat, little ground-dwellers. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:41pm
The sick diseased Lunatic Extremist Greenies are TRAITORS!!!!! Exterminate them!!!!
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Brian Ross on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:12pm |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:57pm
Oh that dreadful Climate Warrior the Greeny BRossy is still fowling this site with his biased Greeny rubbish.
After the bushfires you would think a Greeny like him would be so ashamed he would just crawl out of sight into Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 6:11pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 5:12pm:
You are invited to show how these fires are 'climate change' related. Please don't quote celebrities. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Brian Ross on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:06pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 6:11pm:
Why should I, Soren? You'll just reject anything I post. Tsk, tsk, nothing like a closed mind, now is there? ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:34pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 4:18pm:
Also from the article: Quote:
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:15pm
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 7:06pm:
I knew you had nothing. We all did. It never stopped you from posting poo just because I rejected it before, Bwian. But now that you actually have to back something up, you go to water. Dishonest coward, liar, dissembler, Typical. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Brian Ross on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:21pm Frank wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 9:15pm:
Tsk, tsk, nothing like a closed mind, now is there? ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 13th, 2020 at 11:07am
Oh that dreadful Climate Warrior the Greeny BRossy is still fowling this site with his biased Greeny rubbish.
After the bushfires you would think a Greeny like him would be so ashamed he would just crawl out of sight into Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site. He should stay in Munk's GetUp! Propaganda Site. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Frank on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:20pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 12th, 2020 at 10:21pm:
You can never back your idiotic assertions with facts or evidence. You just yawn to cover up your lies and utter incompetence and dishonesty. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Brian Ross on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:35pm Frank wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 5:20pm:
Do your own research, Soren. Try using google for scientific evidence in support of Climate Change. It isn't hard. ::) ::) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 17th, 2020 at 1:36pm
ScoMo CORRECTLY pointed out the Indian Dipole and negative Southern Annular Mode (SAM) are natural cyclical events which caused the drought and bushfires in Australia.
Of course this is all Greek to the frothing at the mouth hysterical Climate Warriors. This ref is too hard for the odd balls to understand but apart from that is is quite good. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-11/indian-ocean-dipole-fuels-dry-australia-bushfires-africa-rain/11787874 |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 19th, 2020 at 9:19am
He also correctly linked the fires to climate change. Did you notice that?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by PZ547 on Jan 19th, 2020 at 9:29am freediver wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 9:19am:
and have you read the 'What is This' thread? it's interesting And in some thread today, I posted a link to a News.com.au article … lots of stuff about laser and plasma beams used to start the fires and trees 'burning from the inside' Odd coincidence this mirrors the Californian fires wonder why? Then let's look at French Island 60 km from Melbourne No lightning say those from the area. And the weather's been mild So not many give a damn about what Morrison has to say just as few real people buy climate change unless you're talking geoengineering aka deliberate ruination of climate by man, men on a mission to reap innumerable trillions from the scam and climate change 'terrorists' who travel under the title of 'activists' are believed to have deliberately torched this country .. deliberately … in order to further the climate change scam and to hell with millions of animals dying excruciating deaths along with their young just born I SPIT on climate change activists, those on the streets and those online climate change activists are either morons or lying paid to posts |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:10pm
FD is talking absolute Rubbish.
ScoMo DID NOT link the bushfires to the Greeny Climate Change SCAM. Why would he as it is all absolute rubbish. ScoMo CORRECTLY said the bushfires and drought are a result of the natural cyclic events of the Indian Dipole and the SAM - both naturally cyclically reoccurring phenomena which have been around for hundreds of years. The ferocity of the fires was entirely caused by the vile guilty Greenies banning the clearance of undergrowth. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:19pm
200 ways the Coalition of the Killing has helped fuel these fires !!
The Evidence Brief For A Climate Trials Case Against Abbott, Turnbull, and Morrison http://situationtheatre.com/features-2/climate-election-government-record |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:24pm juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:10pm:
The only rubbish is coming out of your narrow arse socko ;) |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:25pm
The not very bright Greeny crawls out to show why she is considered to be not very bright. Her uneducated ignorance of the subject is legendary.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 19th, 2020 at 6:51pm juliar wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 4:10pm:
From the article: The prime minister made a point of acknowledging the link between reducing emissions and protecting environments against worsening bushfire seasons, but despite mounting criticism maintained his government’s current policies struck the right balance. “Our climate policy settings are to meet and beat the emissions reduction targets, emissions reduction under our government is 50m tonnes more than the previous government and we want to see them continue for this country and continue to better the achievements we have already made, with measures that achieve that,” he said. “Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country. Morrison also referred to the government’s plans to review “all contributing factors” to the prolonged fire season, which included the inquiry into land clearing, which was set up in early December, to review policies across the states. “Other issues of how you manage hazard reduction are important because, as you say, the impact, more broadly, of climate change on these issues has a pronounced effect on the length of the fire season,” he said. “That, equally then has a need to address issues around hazard reduction for national parks, dealing with land-clearing laws, zoning laws and planning walls around people’s properties and where they can be built in countries like Australia, up and down the coast. That being the case with the climatic effects of what we are seeing, there are many restrictions around those effects that have to be reviewed on the basis on the broader climatic effect we are seeing in this country.” |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Sir lastnail on Jan 20th, 2020 at 8:41am Quote:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sir-david-attenborough-hits-out-at-australia-s-climate-platform-amid-global-moment-of-crisis |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 10:41am
The not very bright Greeny crawls out to show why she is considered to be not very bright. Her uneducated ignorance of the subject is legendary.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 10:54am
FD is ducking and weaving trying to avoid the obvious - that he was fooled by slippery ScoMo.
ScoMo was just avoiding upsetting the delusional gullible voters who are silly enough to be conned by the Greeny lies and bulldust. He made an ambiguous reference to the Climate Change SCAM which can be interpreted either way - then ScoMo is as cunning as an outhouse rat. How inconvenient for the Climate Warriors who are looking sillier by the day especially after the Greenies burnt Australia to the ground. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:24am
How is this ambiguous?
“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:31am
Now learn what REALLY caused the drought and the hot weather and it was NOT the Greenies' ludicrous Climate Change SCAM.
The Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) The Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) is defined by the difference in sea surface temperature between two areas (or poles, hence a dipole) – a western pole in the Arabian Sea (western Indian Ocean) and an eastern pole in the eastern Indian Ocean south of Indonesia. The IOD affects the climate of Australia and other countries that surround the Indian Ocean Basin, and is a significant contributor to rainfall variability in this region. Like ENSO, the change in temperature gradients across the Indian Ocean results in changes in the preferred regions of rising and descending moisture and air. In scientific terms, the IOD is a coupled ocean and atmosphere phenomenon, similar to ENSO but in the equatorial Indian Ocean. It is thought that the IOD has a link with ENSO events through an extension of the Walker Circulation to the west and associated Indonesian throughflow (the flow of warm tropical ocean water from the Pacific into the Indian Ocean). Hence, positive IOD events are often associated with El Niño and negative events with La Niña. When the IOD and ENSO are in phase the impacts of El Niño and La Niña events are often most extreme over Australia, while when they are out of phase the impacts of El Niño and La Niña events can be diminished. The Indian Ocean Dipole Positive event: warmer sea surface temperatures in the western Indian Ocean relative to the east easterly wind anomalies across the Indian Ocean and less cloudiness to Australia's northwest less rainfall over southern Australia and the Top End. Negative event: cooler sea surface temperatures in the western Indian Ocean relative to the east winds become more westerly, bringing increased cloudiness to Australia's northwest more rainfall in the Top End and southern Australia. VIDEO: Understanding the Indian Dipole:- https://youtu.be/J6hOVatamYs The Southern Annular Mode (SAM) The Southern Annular Mode (SAM), also known as the Antarctic Oscillation (AAO), describes the north–south movement of the westerly wind belt that circles Antarctica, dominating the middle to higher latitudes of the southern hemisphere. The changing position of the westerly wind belt influences the strength and position of cold fronts and mid-latitude storm systems, and is an important driver of rainfall variability in southern Australia. In a positive SAM event, the belt of strong westerly winds contracts towards Antarctica. This results in weaker than normal westerly winds and higher pressures over southern Australia, restricting the penetration of cold fronts inland. Conversely, a negative SAM event reflects an expansion of the belt of strong westerly winds towards the equator. This shift in the westerly winds results in more (or stronger) storms and low pressure systems over southern Australia. During autumn and winter, a positive SAM value can mean cold fronts and storms are farther south, and hence southern Australia generally misses out on rainfall. However, in spring and summer, a strong positive SAM can mean that southern Australia is influenced by the northern half of high pressure systems, and hence there are more easterly winds bringing moist air from the Tasman Sea. This increased moisture can turn to rain as the winds hit the coast and the Great Dividing Range. In recent years, a high positive SAM has dominated during autumn–winter, and has been a significant contributor to the 'big dry' observed in southern Australia from 1997 to 2010. Southern Annular Mode Positive phase: band of westerly winds contracts toward Antarctica higher pressures over southern Australia can relate to stable, dry conditions. Negative phase: band of westerly winds expands towards the equator more (or stronger) low pressure systems over southern Australia can mean increased storms and rain. VIDEO: Understanding the Southern Annular Mode:- https://youtu.be/KrhWsXCB3u8 http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/history/ln-2010-12/SAM-what.shtml |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:33am
FD is totally bamboozled by tricky ScoMo's double speak designed to fool the gullible voters fooled by the Greeny's Climate Change SCAM.
On 2GB this morning ScoMo said HIS idea of Climate Change is to build more dams and to reduce undergrowth. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:37am
How is this ambiguous?
“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by philperth2010 on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:41am
I notice Morriscum still uses per capita statistics to corrupt the true lack of progress his Government has made....Per capita has more to do with increased population than lower emissions!!!
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:42am
FD just accept it as you will - who cares ?
Australia's total emissions are microscopic compared to China and India so what is the point of wrecking the Australian economy to achieve NOTHING ? But the Lefties can't understand this as they have been sucked in by the Greeny lies. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ayn Marx on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:47am juliar wrote on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:42am:
Thanks ever so for the intelligent overvue. You will however be in shock once the ‘Greeny lies’ come to pass and you’re caught in the middle of it. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:53am
What do you think this means Juliar??
“Let me be clear to the Australian people, our emissions reductions policies will both protect our environment and seek to reduce the risk and hazard we are seeing today. At the same time, it will seek to make sure the viability of people’s jobs and livelihoods, all around the country |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 11:55am
FD,believe whatever you want to think it means. I do not care as I KNOW what ScoMo meant.
Is Eyes Up Groggy in disguise ? The Greenies' Climate Change is nothing but a SCAM to fraudulently try to generate interest in the UN One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World farce. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2020 at 12:03pm Quote:
Is it anything to do with what he said? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Jan 20th, 2020 at 12:32pm
How is this thread still going?
It's not hard to understand, he said it, the quote is word for word, in black and white? Is it just Juliar denying it now? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 20th, 2020 at 3:03pm
Not sure. The others kind of slithered off and left Juliar all alone.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 3:48pm
Understandably Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo hasn't got a clue.
But the perfect solution for FD who likes endless circles. Go back to the post where I explained what the Indian Dipole and the SAM is and then advance ONE post at a time until... |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jan 20th, 2020 at 4:58pm
Slow loading system needs a kick along.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 22nd, 2020 at 6:49pm Quote:
Is that what Morrison was talking about when he said GHG emissions? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 26th, 2020 at 9:13am
Even the Murdoch press:
The science behind climate change and its impact on bushfires https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/the-science-behind-climate-change-and-its-impact-on-bushfires/news-story/72de9c9ac880e98cb6c7fd14bfd6e509 Australia’s catastrophic bushfire season has sparked intense debate over whether it’s linked to climate change. Here is the science. When considering the science around climate change, one expert believes it’s useful to compare it to another famous hypothesis – the theory of gravity. Not many people would think to cast doubt on the theory of gravity, and according to Professor David Karoly, who leads the Earth Systems and Climate Change Hub in the Australian Government’s National Environmental Science Program at CSIRO, the evidence that human activity is causing global warming is so strong it is equal to this theory. “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au. Prof Karoly said that there was also evidence climate change was a factor in recent devastating bushfires in Australia. Prof Karoly will explain the science at a free public lecture as part of the Australian Mathematical Sciences Institute 2020 Summer School public lecture in Melbourne on Wednesday, January 29. His speech will also be streamed online. When we talk about science, Prof Karoly believes it’s helpful to remember we are not talking about “beliefs”. Science is in fact a process that tests a hypothesis to provide conclusions about the way nature works. Not convinced? Here’s the science. HOW DO WE KNOW HUMANS ARE CAUSING IT? Some say the world’s climate has always changed and in the past there have been ice ages and warmer glacial periods, which is true. The difference is whether humans have caused the changes. We know that humans could not have had any influence on the past ice ages for example, because there were no humans on the planet. So how do we know that the climate changes now are due to human activity? Prof Karoly said there were two approaches. LET’S LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN OBSERVE The first approach involves examining “observational data”. If we want to identify long-term trends we need to look at data collected over a wide area and across at least 30 years. To figure out why the Earth is warning, there are some logical factors to look at first. The main things that impact the Earth’s climate are sunlight from the sun, how it is absorbed in the atmosphere and how energy is lost from Earth and sent into space. One thing that can impact the amount of sunlight we get includes the amount of clouds, ice and snow because they all reflect sunlight, making it cooler. However, greenhouse gases in the Earth’s atmosphere can also affect temperatures. These gases make the planet hotter because they absorb heat radiation from the Earth and prevent this from being released into space as quickly. Greenhouse gases can include carbon dioxide, methane and water vapour. “When greenhouse gases increase, the surface temperature of the Earth increases,” Prof Karoly said. So what does the data tell us about these factors? ‘SOMETHING WEIRD IS HAPPENING’ Analysis of air bubbles from ice cores trapped in ice in Greenland and Antarctica showed that over the last 10,000 years, carbon dioxide varied a small amount, hovering around 280 and 290 parts per million. But if you look at the last 150 years, it’s a different story. Carbon dioxide now sits at 400 parts per million. “This has increased by more than 40 per cent,” Prof Karoly said. “It is higher than at any time in the last 10,000 years. In fact, it’s higher than any time in the last million years.” “So that suggests … something weird is happening.” Prof Karoly said you had to go back more than three million years to find a time when carbon dioxide was around 400 parts per million. “Three million years ago when carbon dioxide was higher, temperatures were more than two degrees warmer and sea levels were more than 10 metres higher,” he said. Humans were not around three million years ago so they can’t be blamed for the high amount of carbon in the atmosphere. So what was cause of these higher levels of carbon dioxide? Some experts have suggested the carbon dioxide was actually being released from the ocean. “A warmer ocean can’t absorb as much carbon dioxide,” Prof Karoly said. “As it heats up, it can’t hold as much carbon and this is released into the atmosphere.” However, the type of carbon dioxide the ocean releases is different to that released by burning fossil fuels and land clearing. Prof Karoly said the carbon dioxide has a different chemical composition so scientists are able to distinguish between the two. “Carbon dioxide released from the ocean doesn’t use up oxygen,” Prof Karoly said. Over the last 40 years, scientists have been able to monitor the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and the fall in oxygen has exactly matched the increase in carbon dioxide that you would expect if it was coming from the burning of fossil fuels and decomposition of vegetation from land clearing. “What we now know, is that the increase to carbon is not natural, it’s due to human activity, from the burning of fossil fuels and land clearing,” Prof Karoly said. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 26th, 2020 at 9:15am
This is not just a theory, it is based on “observational evidence”, that is, scientists have data that shows the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is coming from fossil fuels and land clearing.
AND NIGHTS ARE GETTING HOTTER We can also look at other observational data to help strengthen the theory. If the Earth was warming up because of increasing sunlight, then you would expect temperatures during the day to increase and for it to be cooler at night (because there is no sun at night!). However, what scientists found is that nights were actually warming up more so than days. This points to greenhouse gases playing a role. As noted above, greenhouse gases trap heat radiation from the Earth and stop it from being released into space as quickly. This effect can be seen for example, on nights with more clouds, which don’t cool down as much as there is more water vapour in the atmosphere. In contrast, deserts are more cool at night because there is not as much water vapour over these areas, and it’s a similar story in coastal areas. So if nights are warming up more than days, it’s unlikely that the sun is playing a role in this, it’s more likely that greenhouse gases are trapping heat on Earth and pushing up temperatures. Scientists have also looked at temperatures in the Earth’s stratosphere, which is the layer of the atmosphere from about 10km up. The stratosphere warms because the ozone layer it contains absorbs the sun’s ultraviolent radiation. If there was more sunlight, you would expect the upper atmosphere to warm up because it was absorbing more ultraviolet rays. But if there was an increase in greenhouse gases then you would expect the stratosphere to be cooler because carbon dioxide is efficient, not only at absorbing heat radiation but also at releasing it into space, cooling it down. “Observations have shown that the surface and lower atmosphere have warmed, and the upper atmosphere has cooled in the last 50 years — the entire time we’ve been monitoring it through balloons and other satellites,” Prof Karoly said. “This pattern of temperature change has happened everywhere and cannot be explained by increasing sunlight,” he said. “And it’s been getting stronger, which is exactly what you would expect from increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.” NOW ADD COMPUTERS TO THE EQUATION The first approach to looking at climate change is “observational data” but you can also use complex mathematical models of the climate system. Around the world, Prof Karoly said more than 50 complex climate models had been developed to test climate theories on a larger scale. While some may question how scientists could simulate the climate when they can’t forecast the weather over long periods of time, Prof Karoly said it was because the climate models looked at levels of radiation, which determine long-term climate. “Models solve physical equations for the absorption and transmission of radiation in the atmosphere, and for the motion of the air, and for the motions of the ocean,” he said. These simulations have shown that without human influences there would not be any long-term warming trend. Temperatures would have stayed pretty much the same with only two-tenths of a degree of warming. Instead the world has warmed by 1.1 degrees and the warming over Australia has been even higher than the global average, at 1.5 degrees. This is because land warms up faster than the ocean. WHAT ABOUT THE BUSHFIRES? So how does this relate to the catastrophic bushfires that have raged across Australia in recent months? Higher mean temperatures give rise to a greater chance of heatwaves and hot extremes, Prof Karoly said. “We have good observational data of the current summer and the last 50 years,” he said. “There have been marked increases in heatwaves and hot days in all parts of Australia.” Australia experienced its hottest and driest year on record in 2019 and December 2019 had a number of Australia’s hottest days ever recorded. “We have also seen increases in sea levels, exactly what you would expect from climate change and the warming of ocean waters and melting of ice sheets and glaciers on land.” When it comes to the intensity of bushfires, Prof Karoly said there are certain factors that were known to be important. The McArthur Forest Fire Danger Index was developed to measure the degree of fire danger in Australian forests and the likelihood they will occur. It combines factors including the temperature of air, wind speed, the dryness of the air (measured by relative humidity) and the dryness of the fuel and the ground (measured by rainfall over the previous month). “So the combination of high temperatures, strong winds, low humidity and no rainfall leads to extreme fire danger,” Prof Karoly said. These were exactly the conditions experienced in NSW and southern Queensland in September and October where there were record high temperatures and low humidity. These conditions were also experienced in Canberra, coastal NSW and particularly East Gippsland in Victoria, which was why there was extreme fire danger in these areas. The next question is whether climate change caused these conditions. Prof Karoly says climate change has led to higher temperatures, as discussed above, but it’s unlikely it had a major role in the drought conditions. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jan 26th, 2020 at 9:18am
He said if the rainfall in 2019 was related to climate change you would expect wetter conditions in northern Australia, not the record dry year experienced in 2019.
Climate change has also been linked with the long-term rainfall in the cool season in south-east Australia. Prof Karoly believes the drought in 2019 may actually be due to “natural variations” and the “Indian Ocean Dipole”. The IOD refers to the seesawing temperatures in the Indian Ocean, with colder waters closer to northern Australia and hotter waters closer to Africa. There were also changes in wind patterns in the south of Australia and over Victoria and NSW, which led to stronger westerly winds that reduced the rainfall over the NSW coast and East Gippsland, where the worst fires and conditions have been. Prof Karoly believes it was the stronger westerly winds and the Indian Ocean Dipole that ramped up the fire intensity, however, this was combined with the extreme temperatures caused by climate change, sparking Australia’s deadly fire season. “So it was a combination of natural climate variability and climate change,” he said. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:16pm
So what do you think Juliar? Does the article say what it says?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by PZ547 on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:21pm
People were still turning on their electric blankets a few days before Christmas
the fires were already blazing in November and earlier The overwhelming majority of fires were deliberately set Australia torched to serve the climate change money maker |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Aussie on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:33pm PZ547 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:21pm:
Link? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by PZ547 on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:38pm Aussie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:33pm:
I posted in here some time ago that I was keeping a list of as many media reports of arson as I came across why didn't you do the same? or have you suddenly become interested in that facet of the fires? well, seeing you're interested now, off you go and make a list of your own. It will be substantial and leave room for more |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:46am
He probably doesn't do the same because it reeks of OCD. What would be the point?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:56am PZ547 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:38pm:
Any common thread there? One group or another? If so - try them under terrorism legislation..... throw the book at them... |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ye Grappler on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:57am freediver wrote on Feb 9th, 2020 at 8:46am:
Just keep touching on that issue... hammering that point - it might get through ... ;D |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ajax on Feb 9th, 2020 at 9:31am freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm:
First of all FD go tell these TWITS for scientists the very same ones selling us AGW that are deliberately changing our weather to STOP f@rking with our atmosphere. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1581203131 Only then we will be able to gauge what effects warming has had. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 9th, 2020 at 1:51pm
The only "linking" is in the disturbed minds of the disturbed Lefties as they see their handouts going up in smoke.
Climate Change is nothing but a gigantic SCAM invented by the UN for their own nefarious purposes. ScoMo would not utter such pathetic rubbish. But he was being cunning in using double speak to calm the naive dummies who don't understand the first thing about anything. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 9th, 2020 at 3:46pm
Who would believe ANYTHING from the Socialist Propaganda Pamphlet - the Lefty Guardian ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:07pm
Juliar what do you think of Morrison linking fires to climate change?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by John Smith on Feb 12th, 2020 at 7:08pm
https://youtu.be/6BmbvTvFQ3g?t=3
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Feb 17th, 2020 at 7:42pm
LOL
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 17th, 2020 at 10:41pm
I don't because ScoMo did not.
The only linking that has occurred is in the confused minds of the Lefties. The bushfires were caused by the Greenies banning clearing undergrowth. The hot dry weather was caused by the Indian Dipole which has recently reversed bringing rain to Australia. Big bush fires occur every 25 to 30 years and are a cyclic natural phenomenon. The ONLY Climate Change SCAM exists in the sick diseased minds of the lunatic extremist Greenies. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 18th, 2020 at 7:29am
Adolf Bandt will be pleased.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 18th, 2020 at 9:18am juliar wrote on Feb 17th, 2020 at 10:41pm:
KangAnon wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:57am:
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by philperth2010 on Feb 18th, 2020 at 9:45am Aussie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 1:33pm:
Here is a link Aussie....It does not support the claim arsonists are responsible for the fires??? Quote:
::) ::) ::) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/australias-fires-reveal-arson-not-a-major-cause/11855022 |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:00am
Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo is still totally confused.
How many of the arsonists who deliberately lit bushfires were Lunatic Extremist Greenies ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:03am
Wonder what Adolf Bandt's next act of violence against Australia will be ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:09am juliar wrote on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:00am:
You can muddy the waters as a form of distraction, in an attempt to confuse, all you like, it won't work. Despite your insults, you're far less clever than you think. The topic is Morrison linking the fires to climate change, the quote of him saying that was highlighted in my post above. Yet you continue to deny the truth. I fear it is you who is confused. Would you care to try again? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:11am
When Skippy the Greeny kangyroo hops about confusion doesn't rain - it POURS!!!
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by SadKangaroo on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:21am juliar wrote on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:11am:
All you're doing is running from the topic. Are you that afraid of just accepting the truth? Or do you just like trying to insult me for now reason? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 18th, 2020 at 11:21am
Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo is feeling panic and anger in her swirling clouds of confusion.
Wonder when Adolf Bandt will start monstering the AnAl schoolboy about coal and the Climate Change SCAM and adopting Greeny junk policies ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Feb 23rd, 2020 at 4:07pm juliar wrote on Feb 17th, 2020 at 10:41pm:
Is Scomo one of those confused lefties? freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 6:51pm:
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:08am
The only linking that occurred is in the Lefties confused minds.
Quoting from the Lefty Guardian Propaganda Pamphlet is like quoting from the KORAN. The simple FACT is there is NO link between the naturally occurring every 25 years or so bushfires and the Greenies' Climate Change SCAM which is pure fabricated fiction. The Indian Dipole produced the hot dry conditions and the Greenies who banned the clearing of undergrowth CAUSED the bushfires to burn with such ferocity. There is MOST DEFINITELY a link between the bushfires and the deeply shamed Greeny scunge who burnt Australia to the ground. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:17am
Site is refusing to load the last post (Where's the bugle?) and so needs a little engine starter into the air intake.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:24am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:08am:
The Greens? A party that has never been in government? Could you explain to us all how they managed to implement these supposed bans, and where exactly they were implemented? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:25am
Greggy rouses from his deep slumber.
Greggy lives in his quaint little world of fifty years ago. Greggy are you Aboriginal ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:27am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:25am:
Could you explain to us all how the Greens - a party that has never been in government - managed to implement these supposed bans, and exactly where they were implemented? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:28am
Need the bugle to sound the last post. Hic a burble Hic!
Poor old Greggy should know better than to get into a discussion with a FACT and TRUTH spiller like me. Normally for safety he wisely ignores me. Greggy are you Aboriginal ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:30am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:28am:
Could you explain to us all how the Greens - a party that has never been in government - managed to implement these supposed bans, and exactly where they were implemented? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:31am
Greggy for your own sanity just ignore me. Greggy are you Aboriginal ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:34am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:08am:
Could you explain to us all how the Greens - a party that has never been in government - managed to implement these supposed bans, and exactly where they were implemented? Oh, and: A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019. “Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.” |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:41am
Greggy do you think the Climate Change SCAM has affected your ability to cope ? You don't seem very well these days.
Poor Greggy would not know a council if it fell on him. Just ignore me Greggy. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:44am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:41am:
“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.” |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:48am
Greggy go and have a lie down till you feel better and clear your head a bit.
You are embarrassing everyone with your ignorance. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:50am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:48am:
“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.” |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:51am
Greggy you are embarrassing everyone.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:13am
Greggy nobody believes a word you post because they all know you are not all there. A bit vacant in the top story.
Is Grater ThunderBung bringing a positive change? Al Nolf, former Senior Chief (E-8) at United States Navy (1968-1989) Grater is a "Pawn" who is being used to perpetrate a great Hoax on the world for the financial gain of the few who are striving for financial gain and notoriety. It is with sadness that I watch a teenage girl who has been brainwashed, pushed before cameras for such a use. She is so angry, twisted, and filled with rage that her ( AnitFA ) parents seeded in her, that she has been made to sacrifice her entire normal teenage "happy female" years, in exchange for ...climate rhetoric. It's shameful to program a child for such a public use. The whole putrid game disgusts me! And the shamed Lunatic Extremist Greenies who caused the bushfires adore her. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:21am
Is the Corona Virus caused by the Climate Change SCAM ?
In 5 years time will the Corona Virus death toll exceed 5 million? ScoMo will win the election because voters will be too frightened by the Greeny controlled Labor Party's plan to impoverish Australia!!! And to RESTART the BOATS!!! Morrison is right to emphasise role of technology 12:00AM FEBRUARY 25, 2020 Anthony Albanese’s 2050 net zero CO2 emissions goal is an attempt to gain populist appeal by jumping on a bandwagon. It is grossly irresponsible, and will send shivers throughout the industry, agriculture and transport sectors. It also detracts from the focus of how such targets can be met without jeopardising the economy. Most countries will not meet their Paris 2030 targets for the very reason that they are not prepared to jeopardise their economies and living standards. Pushing out the target to 2050 is an attempt to buy time to develop low-carbon technologies that work without disruption of the economy. This confirms the correctness of Scott Morrison’s balanced position of prioritising the economy while developing technology. There is no issue with wanting affordable, reliable and environmentally friendly energy. But the focus should be on the technological pathways that get you there. I wonder why Labor is so obsessed with Australia’s contribution to global carbon emissions, because our population of 25 million pales compared with the world population of 7.8 billion. Any draconian measures forced on us that lowers our standard of living and employment opportunities will have zero effect on the climate. Rex Womersley, Cairns, Qld Unfortunately, we have zero information on how Labor’s target will be achieved, except that we will export coal to pay for the cost of renewables. This reminds me of the plight of Icarus who when he got closer to the sun found that the wax holding his wings on, melted and he plummeted to the ground. Blade Johnstone, Victoria Point, Qld There is some degree of misunderstanding about the meaning and significance of Labor’s policy of net zero emissions by 2050 (“ALP target a ‘business bodyblow’ ”, 24/2). It means the level of greenhouse gas emissions (mostly carbon dioxide and methane) offset by the amount of CO2 and methane broken down and/or re-absorbed. CO2 emissions can be re-absorbed by planting trees; phasing out fossil-fuelled cars in favour of electric vehicles; continuing to make aircraft more fuel efficient; and reducing the use of cement and concrete — the third-largest source of CO2 emissions. Net zero emissions does not mean the end of the mining, export or domestic use of coal. It will take several decades to phase out coal-fired power. Thermal coal exports are set to continue for many decades, and the use of metallurgical coal for steel making will continue. Douglas Mackenzie, Deakin, ACT Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese is pledging zero net emissions under a Labor government by 2050. That means no power from coal or gas. Australia is the only G20 country without nuclear power, so where will the base-load power come from for industry, businesses, hospitals and homes? If we can’t afford electric cars, we will have to ride bicycles or walk. This pledge means no planes will fly in Australia in 2050, no trains will run in 2050. Trucks run on carbon emitting fuels, so no trucks will deliver goods in Australia in 2050. Ships are powered by carbon dioxide-emitting fuel so ships in 2050 will have to be moved by wind and sail. Albanese’s pledge will effectively return Australia to the 18th century. Has he given any thought to how absurd his pledge is? James Bowen, Glen Waverley, Vic The error of Labor’s climate policy is what Friedrich Hayek called fatal conceit. It is the conceit of politicians, bureaucrats and technocrats that they can run an economy. Fatal conceit produces winners and losers, destruction of markets, capital consumption, stupid outcomes, folly and widespread unhappiness. Victor Diskordia, McKellar, ACT Claims of the impending death of agriculture with a zero emissions target are shortsighted. There is huge potential for adopting farming practices that are more sustainable and have net negative emissions. By replacing intensive cropping systems with more conservative ley farming, rotations using legumes can result in sequestration of tens of millions of CO2 equivalent carbon as organic matter in soil while building productivity and soil nutrient status, thereby reversing negative trends in all of those parameters. Andrew Lake, Edwardstown, SA |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:30am juliar wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:13am:
A retired navy chief is the source? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:51am
BH's expertise in cooking is aroused as he reaches for the sauce!!!!
One wouldn’t be surprised if the fire in Australia was started by climate change lunatics. We know climate change used to be “global warming” but then they couldn’t answer to “global cooling” as well. It’s all a gimmick, a scam to steal money from the norm. Bravo Scott Morrison, man made climate change is the biggest scam ever perpetrated. Australia will join POTUS in creating wealth from low-cost energy. Australia is heading over the cliff with its ridiculous policies on climate change which is the biggest scam in history. These people are NUTS. They will die with their climate change scam. The people spreading the arson FACTS are real people telling the truth, including the police in Australia. Sorry your man made climate change hoax is just that, a hoax. Why cant the politicians stop climate change scam and stop turning Australia in to a wasteland by impoverishing it's citizens. Just simply stop pandering to the UN GLOBALIST dictators. Not to hard to get back to what we once were. BoM is complicit in spreading the climate change scam and has a direct interest in it's furtherance. They remain complicit in this fraud perpetrated on the Australian and Global Citizenry. They will be held to account in time. True. Its the biggest scam perpetrated in Australia’s history. More snow. Adjusted temperature records. Ignorance of long climate cycles & no change in sea levels. 'Climate change' is fantasy. The political establishment's solution to this 'problem' they fund the scientific community to support, is to tax us all. It's one giant financial scam. Meanwhile in Australia, Green policies left the bush in an unmanaged inferno waiting to happen - and did it HAPPEN!! SHAME GREENIES SHAME!!!! The Greenies are NOT conservationists. They are despicable in the way they latch on to tragedy to push their political ideologies. They want UN Globalism at the expense of their countrymen and their country. Australia voted Scott Morrison MP to stop the UN's fake Climate change scam. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:54am
Yep not one shred of evidence.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:58am
The TRUTH about the Climate Change SCAM which will sink Labor at the election hits BH like a big soggy pavlova.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:05am
Hey BH, sorry to interrupt you slaving over a hot stove, but do you remember how Juliar Gillard "PROVED" the Climate Change SCAM ?
Money can prove anything. Will the Corona Virus get you ? Five million dead expected in the next five years!!!! Is the Corona Virus United Nations population control ? AGENDA 2030 says that the UN plans to exterminate about 6 billion excess population to get down to a sustainable level in a sustainable world. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:06am
boo! Slow as a Labor Pollie system.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:14am
Again no evidence, plus you've trotted out Agenda 2030. So not only are you a smacking moron, you're a conspiracy theory believing smacking moron.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:15am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:14am:
Indeed. juliar has severe mental health issues, which is why I usually go easy on him. It's not really nice to pick on the mentally handicapped. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:23am
Greggy would know a climate from a weather. Greggy are you Aboriginal ? Greggy do you think you are suffering from the onset of Dementia ? Because everyone knows you are not all there.
Poor old technically agnostic BH is totally out of his depth and floundering helplessly in these technically factual discussions. BH is not much good at any science things. But he can whip up a good apple pie just like Grandma used to make. BH is so out of it he has never heard of the United Nations AGENDA 2030 - their plan for the future One World Socialist "Govt" in a Sustainable World which the Lunatic Extremist Greenies are trying to implement here in Australia. |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 11:28am
Boo! Slow old loading.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 27th, 2020 at 12:12pm For those who wish to reply to juliar: https://newscenter.sdsu.edu/student_affairs/sds/tip-mental-health.aspx |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 4:15pm
Greggy's post is so bad it won't show. But then everyone knows Greggy is not all there. Now he seems to be explaining his condition. Greggy are you Aboriginal ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Feb 27th, 2020 at 4:18pm
Boo post won't show. Need to keep Greggy in care.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Mar 4th, 2020 at 9:10am juliar wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 10:08am:
Is Scott Morrison one of those confused lefties? freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2020 at 7:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 19th, 2020 at 6:51pm:
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Mar 4th, 2020 at 9:15am
FD seems to have run out of Greeny stuff.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Mar 4th, 2020 at 9:16am
Boo slow loading system.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Mar 17th, 2020 at 6:55pm juliar wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 9:15am:
Do you think Scott Morrison is one of those confused lefties? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Mar 19th, 2020 at 9:18pm
Hasn't this tired old thread burnt out yet ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by Ye Grappler on Mar 27th, 2020 at 7:31am
I link fires to idiots with matches.. of course that broken milk bottle sat there for decades in the remote bush and then suddenly woke up one day and decided to start a fire.
BTW - what is the number of people charged with deliberately lighting bushfires now? I can only find 24 and haven't heard of any court cases yet. Fear of the lynch mob is dying down now... quiet on the streets for some reason ..... |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:31am
Maybe the bushfires that the Greenies caused are responsible for the Corona Virus ?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:45am
It is all GetUp! propaganda.
Can Labor's political Propaganda Arm GetUp! hold its SingSong Revivalist Indoctrination Meetings now with the 1.5m split rule ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Apr 6th, 2020 at 9:46am
This tired old burnt out thread is too tired to load the last post.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on May 2nd, 2020 at 9:50am
So why do you keep bumping it if you dislike it so much?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by JaSun on May 2nd, 2020 at 2:53pm
Is Juliar upset that ScoMo will be nothing but huff and puff the dragon against China and will crumble like a violet in the face of China's return volley?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on May 25th, 2020 at 5:39pm
It seems so.
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on May 26th, 2020 at 11:50am
jasin, what has this got to do with a phony thread about bushfires the Greenies caused based on Guardian GetUp! propaganda ?
The China Oz thing will blow over in time if China admits it developed and deliberately released the virus as a rehearsal for a much more deadly version designed to achieve world domination ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by freediver on Jun 15th, 2020 at 9:39pm
Phony threads eh? Is that like fake news?
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Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jun 16th, 2020 at 10:34am
This tired old dead thread is too tired to load the Last Post -
is that the sound of a distant bugle ? |
Title: Re: Morrison links fires to climate change Post by juliar on Jun 16th, 2020 at 10:36am
burp to bring up the last post.
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