Post by Frank on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:39pm
Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:51am:
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Not throwing the Jew down the well just yet.
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Title: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Yadda on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:51am U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie WWW search.... Iowa: Muslims unite behind Bernie to screams of “Allahu akbar” 'Card carrying', mosque attending moslems, moslems living in the West, know which side their kuffar, are buttered on ! http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1581382137/0#0 |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by goldkam on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:52am Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:51am:
They won't be supporting Trump and they have good reason not to. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:53am
JFC
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Yadda on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:24am goldkam wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:52am:
Q. Is that because Pres. Trump is more honourable than any moslem ? i.e. Trump usually tells his natural enemies to their face, what he thinks of them. Moslems ? Not so. Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, is recorded in a hadith as having said: “War is deceit” (Bukhari 4.52.268). |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by goldkam on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:36am Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:24am:
Trump is not an honourable man. He has no respect or integrity for anyone but those who will give him praise for things even if they are not moral or ethical. He calls woman slobs and pigs, won't let those who speak against him ask him questions at press conferences and continually lies to the American public. If you call this honourable your priorities and ideals are very wrong. Very wrong indeed. Your reflection of Muslims is wrong. It uses a thousands year old scripture to reflect a very inaccurate view of their actions and views. The vast majority of Muslims are good people and are practising their faith in harmony. The vast majority of Christians are good people and are practising their faith in harmony. There are bad people in every religion, society etc.., don't use that to characterise everyone as bad. Your views are the very crux of the problem with so many people in society. Stereotype and generalise because that is what is easiest. Easy is not necessarily correct. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Bojack Horseman on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:42am
Clearly you're new here. You're talking sense to Yadda like you think he'll consider it.
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Karnal on Feb 11th, 2020 at 12:43pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:42am:
Oh, we've all tried at one time or another... |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 11th, 2020 at 2:38pm goldkam wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:36am:
In all honestly, I can't think of another human being less deserving of that description. Calling Trump an honourable man is like calling Pauline Hanson an intelligent woman. "honourable: honest and fair, or deserving praise and respect". |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Fuzzball on Feb 11th, 2020 at 3:21pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 2:38pm:
Well, you'd know all about 'honour' wouldn't you pessary.......the man who keeps his word when he loses a wager? You're the most dishonourable person (fkwit) on this forum. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Yadda on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:19pm goldkam wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:36am:
Moslems simply LIE and DECEIVE [those who are not members, of their own intimate camp]. Moslems themselves, TELL US, that they LIE and DECEIVE. And in every instance, where i have seen any moslem being 'found out', the will moslem simply deny their lying and deceiving, in the face of every evidence against them. So, going by your accusation against Pres. Trump, Trump is no worse than any moslem. As a flawed human being, any person, if he confesses his faults, to God, can call on God's forgiveness. Moslems cannot. Why not. Because moslems live by a very, very, different creed. creed = = system of religious belief; a faith. WWW search.... we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them" Psalms 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. 4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. And, even if Pres. Trump is a flawed and 'bad' Christian, show me any Christian, who is faultless. There isn't any such creature. We [Christians] all must come to God, humbly, to ask God for his forgiveness, for our many errors. We do not come to God, with confidence, in our own 'good ways'. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. . goldkam wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:36am:
Your words are laughable, and absurd. You are suggesting that the 'good' moslems, followers of ISLAM, have no reverence for the 'holy Koran'. Sure. You are either a deceiver, or completely demented, in suggesting that. QUESTIONS; Do these 'good' moslems worship and pray to [and obey], the same Allah which all other moslems worship and pray to [and obey] - OR NOT ?? The Allah who calls on believers to fight and kill disbelievers. Do these 'good' moslems revere, the same [murderous] Mohammed which all other moslems revere - OR NOT ?? Mohammed, Allah's messenger, also calls on believers to fight and kill disbelievers. Do these 'good' moslems revere [as the very words of Allah], the same immutable, and inerrant religious document, which all other moslems use, the Koran - OR NOT ? The Koran, throughout its pages, instructs believers to fight and kill disbelievers. e.g. "Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Koran 2.216 "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111 . goldkam wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 11:36am:
REPLY..... Yadda said..... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2 MY ARGUMENT; Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Frank on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:39pm Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 10:51am:
;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Not throwing the Jew down the well just yet. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:41pm
Oh my gosh!
Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty! Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Yadda on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:57pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:41pm:
Oh my gosh, indeed ! Bernie Sanders can promise those objectives, TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED.... But neither Bernie Sanders [nor any Socialist/Marxist in America] has the means or any viable method, which can fulfill those promised outcomes. Such promises, are the stuff of fairy tales. means = = 1 an action or system by which a result is achieved. 2 financial resources; income. substantial resources; wealth. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:58pm Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:57pm:
Are you saying that America doesn't have the money to provide these social programmes to its citizens? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Yadda on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:13pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:58pm:
Socialists/Marxists are corrupt, and incompetent managers, in government. They have revealed this, again, and again, and again, and again, ....in recent human history [the last 100 years]. e.g. Venezuela DID have the resources [Venezuela has, still, huge, huge oil reserves] to provide a Socialists/Marxists 'utopia'. And how has that worked out ? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:15pm Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:13pm:
Well, since when did any authoritarian government work out? As far as I know, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Netherlands, Germany, Austria; they all work out quite well as far as I know. They have very good social welfare programmes. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Panther on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:19pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:58pm:
Hard work, & sacrifice is the American way to achieve prosperity & reward......providing unsustainable free-bees to people who didn't earn the right to them, by taking financial resources away from those that did, to provide it to them isn't a solution, it's a sure fire recipe to ultimate failure...... Socialism is a curse, & hopefully America.....the land I love.....will not walk away from a proven source of prosperity, Free Market Supply & Demand Capitalism. But, I'll keep an open mind........propose your social programs when America doesn't need to borrow a Trillion dollars a year any longer......till then.....Americans should pay as they go to achieve what they want in life............ |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:24pm Panther wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:19pm:
So, did the slave owners work hard and sacrifice for their wealth and success? Did the robber barons work hard for their success when they bought politicians and got favours from members of Congress?? You're living in a fantasy work, Panther. America is riddled with poverty and obese people. Sure, you saved our arses in World War 2 and have presided over a world without war, but at what cost to the American worker? At what cost to the American black man/woman? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Karnal on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:25pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:58pm:
You mean the same programs we receive in Australia? Of course not. America needs that money to fund the top 1%, who for some strange reason, all come from the Cayman Islands. You? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Frank on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:34pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 6:41pm:
Well, you are fingering someone else to pay. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Karnal on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:48pm Frank wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:34pm:
So are you, old boy. You flew here. You receive all those benefits. Why didn't you country-shop America instead? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm Frank wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:34pm:
Short of printing more money which creates inflation, the only way to fund social welfare programmes is to redistribute money via taxation. There is no other way. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Frank on Feb 12th, 2020 at 5:59pm Auggie wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 5:32pm:
IF redistribution is the aim. Why not also think of making people self-sufficient and save taxation for the ones who cannot be self-sufficient - the sick. It's not the state's function to save the lazy and profligate from themselves. Support the unfortunate, yes. Not the opportunist lay-abouts who have not made provisions for their old age. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2020 at 8:06pm Quote:
It maybe more like everyone is uniting behind Bernie. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Dnarever on Feb 12th, 2020 at 8:37pm Frank wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 9:34pm:
Do you know that the US currently pay more per head of population to not have these things when compared to countries that do ? An example is healthcare where Placed like Canada are paying about 50% less per head of population for universal health care than what the US pay to not have it ? In the US the government give health funds and pharmaceutical companies trillions so that they can go on and charge the population more Trillions. Difficult to say that it is unaffordable when it costs about 50% less than the current system. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by mortdooley on Feb 13th, 2020 at 12:55am
Why didn't Bernie go to Canada for their excellent healthcare if it is so much better than ours?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I_glE1X10w Whoever offers the most free stuff gets the low information voters support. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by xeej on Feb 13th, 2020 at 2:09pm
Well at least the girls get a half a day off of their choirs and an outing to go and vote.
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 13th, 2020 at 5:46pm Frank wrote on Feb 12th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
In theory, your idea would work, but in reality it's much different. Most people who are unemployed or homeless aren't 'lazy', they usually suffer from mental health problems and are absolutely in despair since they don't have anyone in their life. Second, it's not as easy to 'find a job' and work. There's so much cost-cutting and competition out there that it's not easy to find work, especially full-time work. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 13th, 2020 at 5:48pm Mortdooley wrote on Feb 13th, 2020 at 12:55am:
This isn't about Bernie Sanders. It's about public policy. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by mortdooley on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:49am Auggie wrote on Feb 13th, 2020 at 5:48pm:
No, it is about Bernie and what he stands for. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by AiA on Feb 14th, 2020 at 1:11am Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:49am:
What does Bernie stand for? Pussies like Morticia cry about "Socialism" but socialism is just simply where the dollar flow - to the very top, like they do now, or to those not at the top. How is Trump paying for his tax cuts to the 1%? By doing the very thing he promised he would not do: cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Is this what you stand for Morticia? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by mortdooley on Feb 14th, 2020 at 1:42am AiA wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 1:11am:
Poor little guy, once again crying that he isn't getting his fair share of what someone earned. If you have $200 and I have a dollar, "we" have $201, sound fair to you? When you get old enough to pay Income Tax fill it out yourself. You still don't understand the problem is that government spends too much. Socialism definition is - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Panther on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am Auggie wrote on Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:24pm:
◈ African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest unemployment rate since the early to mid 50's, while the overall US rate has also dropped to the lowest levels since the '29 Market Crash. ◈ Almost 4 million new jobs have been created in the last 3 years. Oh, & I would guess that Australia is a budding land of plenty where everyone's baskets are full to the brim.......Paaaaleeeeease, I've lived here for the better part of the last 35 years mate, so peddle yer BS to someone in a sh!t hole like Cuba or Costa Rica. There are probably more people here in Australia living from hand to mouth now than just about any time in the last 30+ years.....so peddle yer BS to someone else.... And fella, when we go into town we play "spot the skinnies", talk about obese.....when I first moved here 80% of the Aussies seemed fit, & slim, now Australia is a mass of chunkers mate.....cows all walkin' around on their hind legs.....it seems that the percentages have turned on their heads......only 20-30% of the Aussies we see here are in the fit & slim category today! |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:39am Panther wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am:
Only 4 million? What about the 14 million jobs created by Ivanka? ;D |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:03am greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:39am:
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Sir Spot of Borg on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:18pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:03am:
She prolly did. . . . . . in china Spot |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:27pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:18pm:
Ah, yes. Good point. Her Chinese sweat shops. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 24th, 2020 at 11:32am Panther wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am:
As those well-paying jobs? You can have people working for 50c per hour and claim that you've created jobs. Doesn't mean squat. Panther wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am:
So, what's the NET GAIN in jobs? How many jobs were lost in the meantime? If you've lost 7 million jobs but have created 4 million, you're still 3 million behind. Panther wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am:
Which proves that neo-liberalism has destroyed Australia, although not as much as the US. Ask anyone who has visited America - they'll tell you that many parts are third world. Panther wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:34am:
And there is a highest percentage of obese people in America than in Australia, so what does that tell you? |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 24th, 2020 at 11:33am Mortdooley wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:49am:
Bernie is the only candidate who has said that he would give up his health insurance in favour of medicare-for-all. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Karnal on Feb 25th, 2020 at 9:21am Auggie wrote on Feb 24th, 2020 at 11:32am:
We're generally protected from free market policies because we have a functioning safety net. Banking regulation protected us from the GFC. Immigration keeps us at 2 to 3% GDP growth. To date, we've been shielded economically, but not environmentally. The environment - and our CO2 output - carries the burden of neoliberal policies. The Barrier Reef, the most important marine sanctuary in the world, is dying. If we could transition to renewable energy, get into sustainable farming, solve Aboriginal disadvantage and raise Newstart a bit, we'd be all good. We'd have a country the world could respect. Most European countries have done all this with lower economic growth than Australia. It's all achievable. Bernie, by the way, is only promoting what we already have. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Auggie on Feb 25th, 2020 at 10:45am Karnal wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 9:21am:
Correct, he is; but from an American perspective, it's very progressive. In fact, I think that America's next step is to completing scrap their Constitution and adopt a new Constitution, which I'd be happy to draft for them. |
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Title: Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Post by Karnal on Feb 25th, 2020 at 5:20pm Auggie wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 10:45am:
It was FDR, as you said, who extended human rights to health care, education and employment. Back in the 30s, this was possible to do. Today? It's a totally new narrative. Not being in America, I have no idea whether it can resonate. The political instinct is absolutely NOT, but we've been wrong before. If Bernie makes the nomination, CNN and Fox News will join forces to howl him down. All those FAKE news channels will go back to being "real" news for those on the Trump Train. |
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