http://youtu.be/MrRAO_vG_K4

If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves!

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 12:30am:

If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves!

Heroin doesn't use itself either. Do you support the full legalisation of that drug?

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 12:30am:

If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves!

Just irresponsible idiots with small dicks and a gun fetish do.


Stay stupid, morty torty.

Real Carcinogen wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 12:37am:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:30am: If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves! Heroin doesn't use itself either. Do you support the full legalisation of that drug?

The war on drugs is lost, let the addicts get their fix at a clean government facility at prices low enough to put the cartels out of business!

Marla wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 2:15am:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:30am: If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves! Just irresponsible idiots with small dicks and a gun fetish do. Stay stupid, morty torty.

There goes the neighborhood!!

The war on guns is lost, let the addicts get their hardware at a clean government facility at prices low enough to put the mob in business!

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 4:23am:

There goes the neighborhood!!

Said that about Texuuuus when it became a State
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/644017968435867648/u_WjfBkD_400x400.jpg

F- k Texuuus America's armpit and shithole

Marla wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 2:15am:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:30am: If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves! Just irresponsible idiots with small dicks and a gun fetish do. Stay stupid, morty torty.

Hey, I like guns too...

But at least I understand their place in modern society.

[media width=625]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzeHMk6-wo4[/media]

Victorian Police To Get High-Powered AR-15s
https://i.postimg.cc/9fRtmtCF/Australian-AR-15.png

Source:      THE AGE      
Quote:

More than 700 police will be trained to use high-powered semi-automatic rifles, with frontline officers expected to take immediate action to confront terror attacks and active armed offenders. Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said on Wednesday that police will buy 300+ AR-15 30-shot semi-automatic rifles, with the guns expected to be delivered by the middle of next year. Police from the public order response team (PORT) and four regional hubs – Geelong, Ballarat, Morwell and Shepparton – will be trained to use the rifles, each valued at nearly $6000. The semi-automatic rifles are part of an increasingly hard-line response to the threat of armed offenders which includes giving police snipers greater authority to shoot to kill. Mr Patton said police would not follow the London tactic of having specialist foot patrols carrying the guns. “Police officers will not be patrolling the streets with the rifles as part of general duties," he said. "Unless they are responding to a critical incident, the rifles will be securely stored at the police station or in vehicles and the community won’t see them.” The Age revealed in March that police would get military-style automatic weapons to deal with high-risk incidents, such as sieges and terror event and to combat the proliferation of gun-related crime. The weapons will be kept in stations and specially built pods inside police vehicles. Mr Patton said they would be used as part of the active armed offender policy, where first responding police are expected to take immediate action rather than wait for specialist units in the case of a public attack. “Let me be clear, it will be a very sad day if the rifles are used but the reality is we need to be prepared if an active armed offender or terrorist attack was to occur in regional Victoria,” Mr Patton said. ‘‘We need to be able to quickly respond to a threat.’’ He said police had thwarted a series of mass murder plots where offenders were trying to buy heavy powered weapons. Mr Patton said police trained to use the heavy calibre .223 weapons would have access to multiple magazines. ‘‘Police need to be equipped to take out the threat to protect the public.’’ He said that the mobile PORT units meant the guns would be available at any threat in Melbourne ‘‘within minutes’’. “These incidents [involving active shooters] are usually resolved within 15 minutes and if we expect police to take on heavily armed offenders we need to give them the necessary firepower,’’ Mr Patton said. ‘‘They will only be taken out when we plan to use them.’’......continued

If the Police get them, soon criminals will have 'em too! 

https://i.postimg.cc/cLwhNBm7/Australian-Police-with-AR15s.jpg
Victoria Police are getting a Bigger arsenal to deal with Bigger Threats.


There isn't a weapon (rifle, handgun) that the police have that the criminals haven't been able to 'beg', 'borrow', or 'steal' from them.

Soon they will all have America's 'Favorite Sporting Rifle'.........


Quote:

The AR-15 is now the most popular sporting rifle in the U.S. According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, AR-15 style rifles accounted for an estimated 61 percent of all US civilian rifle sales in 2016. The National Rifle Association reports that Americans own more than 15 million AR-15s today.

That was way back in 2016.....many estimates are well over 20 million today

Eventually, the criminals will be importing them themselves, because as you know Customs & Border Security have never been able to keep everything out.....they can only inspect a small percentage of shipping containers.

The Black Market will soon be flooded with AR15s.

They will get through.........They probably have already.

But don't be too, too scared.......good, honest, law abiding Australians will never be permitted to have them, even though they have proven to be wonderful weapons for self-defense.

Oppps, I forgot, self-defense is never a legitimate option for firearm ownership anywhere Down-Under.....well it's ok just for law-abiding cops......but ordinary, law-abiding, Australian Citizens will never, ever be trusted with such scary, dangerous, uncontrollable  weapons.......even to defend their lives, or the lives of their families like Americans do every day......tisk....tisk.... ::) ::)


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"Some Washington big shots like others around the country are readying for the potential further outbreak of the coronavirus by stocking up on “prepper” goods, including pistols, rifles, and ammunition, and reaching out to camps where they can hide out.

Stores that sell freeze-dried food and bullets have also seen a surge in sales.  Justin Anderson, the marketing director for Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, North Carolina, one of the nation’s largest, said ammunition is the top seller. “I’ve seen a notable spike in the purchase of bulk ammo, which is usually a barometer of people’s fear in these types of situations,” he said, adding, “The person with the most ammo wins.”

Toilet tolls are the high-value asset ..er.. commodity.  Having a spare magazine in the small room is different now.

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 4:20am:

Real Carcinogen wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:37am: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:30am: If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves! Heroin doesn't use itself either. Do you support the full legalisation of that drug? The war on drugs is lost

Yes, that's what Mr Trump used to say, Mort, back when he was anti-corruption, anti-guns and pro-choice, remember?

Steve Bannon used to love this about Mr Trump. He'd say whatever he was told. He has no shame whatsoever in changing his stance - on anything. Largely, this has to do with him not understanding his stance in the first place. Bannon described a discussion soon after meeting candidate Trump. It went something like this:

The Bible Belt need you to be pro-life, Mr Trump.

No problem, I've always liked life.

Pro-Bible?

I love the Bible, great book. An eye for an eye - great stuff.

Pro-Jesus?

A great guy, a real inspiration.

What things inspire you about Jesus?

The eye for an eye stuff. Really amazing.

I think Jesus was against that, Mr Trump.

Yeah? Why would he be against eyes?

Er, don't worry, we'll get an endorsement. Benny Hinn said he'll do it.

Yeah? He's great - a great TV presence. He'll get the Latinos too.

He's Portuguese, actually, but...

No one'll know the difference, believe me. Pity he's not black...

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 12:27pm:

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/WzzJZ2qFzDoARjoZI9fYThMdCwg=/500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg

Good to have you back, Brian. You went off-message there for a bit.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJZBqsW1/La-Pierre-Good-Person.jpg

https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/WzzJZ2qFzDoARjoZI9fYThMdCwg=/500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/NRA-more-guns-58b8efae5f9b58af5ca32007.jpg

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Australian AR-15 Rifles by Wedgetail Industries   

The WT-15s



https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1389657_1681954365408055_1945982398_n.jpg


Source:      TFB      
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Not deterred by now highly restrictive ownership rules in Australia, a new company called Wedgetail Industries has started manufacturing semi-automatic AR-15s for domestic sale. Named after a large Australian bird of prey, the wedgetailed eagle, the company is manufacturing many of the critical components for the AR-15 including, but not limited to:     Barrel     Bolt     Bolt Carrier     Trigger Group     Upper Receiver     & Lower Receiver. Being that the weapon is already restricted, Wedgetail is offering the weapon in what the US would classify as “short barrel” and standard rifles. The first offerings include a 10.5″, a 14.5″, and 16″ carbine. All weapons are 100% ambidextrous, using an ambi charging handle, Norgon ambi-catch, and a Teal Blue Bravo PDQ style bolt catch/release. Capture Being manufactured for a highly restricted market with few customers to defray start-up, engineering, and other costs, the Wedgetail is not inexpensive. Retail is set at $5,800+ Australian dollars for the 16″ rifle. Stand-alone uppers are also available. The targeted market is law enforcement, goverment, and private feral animal control. Generally speaking, there are few others who can own semi-automatic AR-15s due to Australia’s restrictions. Specs on the WT-15 Rifle (Courtesy of Wedgetail): ➤➤ WT15 series rifles are designed and made in Australia to the highest uncompromising standards. Built by professionals for professionals. The WT15 is purpose designed with ambidextrous controls and a lifetime warranty. Wedgetail Industries offers full spare parts availability, servicing and support to ensure maximum deployment time. WT Lower Receiver      Model– Australian made 7075-T6 lower receiver with integrated trigger guard      Finish– Hard anodizing (MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2)      Trigger– Wedgetail Industries single stage cassette trigger      Extension– Mil-spec 6 position receiver extension      Sling Plate – BCM Gunfighter™ QD end plate      Bolt carrier catch – Wedgetail Industries ambidextrous BCG release lever WT Upper Receiver      Model– Australian made 7075-T6 upper receiver with extended feed ramps      Finish– Hard anodizing (MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2)      Charging Handle– BCM Gunfighter™ ambidextrous charging handle WT Bolt Carrier Group     Bolt :Australian made HPT/MPI (high pressure tested, magnetic particle inspected)     Bolt Carrier : Australian made M type carrier with super slick coating Handguard     BCM Gunfighter™ KMR ALPHA 13 KeyMod™ Free Float Handguard WT Barrel      Caliber- 5.56/.223 Wylde Chamber      Length– 16” , Steel 1/8 twist      Gas Block– Low profile .750      Muzzle Device– A2 Flash hider, 1/2-28 thread Furniture      Stock– Magpul™ CTR stock      Grip– Magpul™ MOE grip Optional Accessories      Magpul™ folding sights      Magpul™ STR stock      Magpul™ MOE fixed stock      30 Rnd. magazine      ALL FIREARMS ARE BUILT TO ORDER

Wedgetail Industries Web Site :   https://wedgetailindustries.com/

Wedgetail on FACEBOOK :   https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Science--Technology---Engineering/Wedgetail-Industries-1769240763118149/


Quote:

Made right. Right here. Our products are designed and made in Australia. Our production facility in Victoria, Australia is the home of our products from prototype through to production. Our versatile production technology allows us to quickly produce prototypes and test new ideas in rapid succession right at our front door. We have shot countless rounds downrange to create great products that are practical, robust and beautiful.

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Yep dickless wonders in Australia can make up for their shortcomings

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 10:20am:

Yep dickless wonders in Australia can make up for their shortcomings

The Penuma procedure is expensive in the USA.

I guess guns are cheaper, and less painful.

Pussies.

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 2:02pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 4:20am: Real Carcinogen wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:37am: Mortdooley wrote on Mar 4th, 2020 at 12:30am: If you had them I doubt they would be a problem. They don't fire themselves! Heroin doesn't use itself either. Do you support the full legalisation of that drug? The war on drugs is lost Yes, that's what Mr Trump used to say, Mort, back when he was anti-corruption, anti-guns and pro-choice, remember? Steve Bannon used to love this about Mr Trump. He'd say whatever he was told. He has no shame whatsoever in changing his stance - on anything. Largely, this has to do with him not understanding his stance in the first place. Bannon described a discussion soon after meeting candidate Trump. It went something like this: The Bible Belt need you to be pro-life, Mr Trump. No problem, I've always liked life. Pro-Bible? I love the Bible, great book. An eye for an eye - great stuff. Pro-Jesus? A great guy, a real inspiration. What things inspire you about Jesus? The eye for an eye stuff. Really amazing. I think Jesus was against that, Mr Trump. Yeah? Why would he be against eyes? Er, don't worry, we'll get an endorsement. Benny Hinn said he'll do it. Yeah? He's great - a great TV presence. He'll get the Latinos too. He's Portuguese, actually, but... No one'll know the difference, believe me. Pity he's not black...

Karnal make sure you get your facts right before you usher your bigoted left wing rants.

Jesus did not say "An eye for an eye"!

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 10:50am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21st, 2020 at 10:20am: Yep dickless wonders in Australia can make up for their shortcomings The Penuma procedure is expensive in the USA. I guess guns are cheaper, and less painful. Pussies.

This is what Greg would love to have if he had the honesty to admit it - makes up for his lack of manhood. Eh Greg?

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So you agree that owning a gun makes up for a lack of manhood Rich. 

Richdude wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 1:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2020 at 10:50am: Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21st, 2020 at 10:20am: Yep dickless wonders in Australia can make up for their shortcomings The Penuma procedure is expensive in the USA. I guess guns are cheaper, and less painful. Pussies. This is what Greg would love to have if he had the honesty to admit it - makes up for his lack of manhood. Eh Greg?

Have you got a little hat too, Rich?

https://i.imgur.com/NguTN.jpg

Pyow, pyow!

In Australia a semi-automatic centrefire rifle is a Cat D firearm.

"    semi-automatic centre fire rifles
    semi-automatic rimfire rifles fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds
    semi-automatic shotguns fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than five rounds
    pump-action repeating shotguns fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than five rounds."

https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exporting-and-manufacturing/prohibited-goods/categories/firearms

More guns less Americans....What is the problem???

:-? :-? :-?

lee wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 2:30pm:

In Australia a semi-automatic centrefire rifle is a Cat D firearm. "    semi-automatic centre fire rifles     semi-automatic rimfire rifles fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds     semi-automatic shotguns fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than five rounds     pump-action repeating shotguns fitted with a firearm magazine with a capacity greater than five rounds." https://www.abf.gov.au/importing-exporting-and-manufacturing/prohibited-goods/categories/firearms

We can have these on Category D license in Australia much better than the AR15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2ph6FnSY

If you wanted something lower powered like the AR15 then something like this is also Cat D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHeHVbW_o4Q

Fancy a semi auto shotgun with 5 rounds for Cat C Primary Production or Clay target shooting no magazine limits for Cat D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZWi8ZglR-8

What about a semi auto rimfire, Cat C 10 round magazine for Primary Producers Cat D unlimited magazine capacity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAAB7UmRCGY

Ozzie is farmer who does professional feral pest control he is also a Qld cop

or you could make a positive contribution to society

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 9:17pm:

or you could make a positive contribution to society

Feral pest controllers make a positive contribution to society doesn't matter if they're professional or amateur

The thread title is a lie typical bullshit from bedwetting hoplophobes

And yer how many of these ar actual feral shooters?

Cat D also includes AR15. That's why you can buy mags etc for them.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 9:29pm:

And yer how many of these ar actual feral shooters?

Hopefully none. Feral shooters are a blight on everyone.

Now shooters of feral animals is entirely different. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Panther wrote on Apr 21^st, 2020 at 9:49am:

.. http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/taunt.gif   Sowiee Bwian.............. http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gif Australian AR-15 Rifles by Wedgetail Industries    The WT-15s https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1389657_1681954365408055_1945982398_n.jpg Source:      TFB       Quote: Not deterred by now highly restrictive ownership rules in Australia, a new company called Wedgetail Industries has started manufacturing semi-automatic AR-15s for domestic sale. Named after a large Australian bird of prey, the wedgetailed eagle, the company is manufacturing many of the critical components for the AR-15 including, but not limited to:     Barrel     Bolt     Bolt Carrier     Trigger Group     Upper Receiver     & Lower Receiver. Being that the weapon is already restricted, Wedgetail is offering the weapon in what the US would classify as “short barrel” and standard rifles. The first offerings include a 10.5″, a 14.5″, and 16″ carbine. All weapons are 100% ambidextrous, using an ambi charging handle, Norgon ambi-catch, and a Teal Blue Bravo PDQ style bolt catch/release. Capture Being manufactured for a highly restricted market with few customers to defray start-up, engineering, and other costs, the Wedgetail is not inexpensive. Retail is set at $5,800+ Australian dollars for the 16″ rifle. Stand-alone uppers are also available. The targeted market is law enforcement, goverment, and private feral animal control. Generally speaking, there are few others who can own semi-automatic AR-15s due to Australia’s restrictions. Specs on the WT-15 Rifle (Courtesy of Wedgetail): ➤➤ WT15 series rifles are designed and made in Australia to the highest uncompromising standards. Built by professionals for professionals. The WT15 is purpose designed with ambidextrous controls and a lifetime warranty. Wedgetail Industries offers full spare parts availability, servicing and support to ensure maximum deployment time. WT Lower Receiver      Model– Australian made 7075-T6 lower receiver with integrated trigger guard      Finish– Hard anodizing (MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2)      Trigger– Wedgetail Industries single stage cassette trigger      Extension– Mil-spec 6 position receiver extension      Sling Plate – BCM Gunfighter™ QD end plate      Bolt carrier catch – Wedgetail Industries ambidextrous BCG release lever WT Upper Receiver      Model– Australian made 7075-T6 upper receiver with extended feed ramps      Finish– Hard anodizing (MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2)      Charging Handle– BCM Gunfighter™ ambidextrous charging handle WT Bolt Carrier Group     Bolt :Australian made HPT/MPI (high pressure tested, magnetic particle inspected)     Bolt Carrier : Australian made M type carrier with super slick coating Handguard     BCM Gunfighter™ KMR ALPHA 13 KeyMod™ Free Float Handguard WT Barrel      Caliber- 5.56/.223 Wylde Chamber      Length– 16” , Steel 1/8 twist      Gas Block– Low profile .750      Muzzle Device– A2 Flash hider, 1/2-28 thread Furniture      Stock– Magpul™ CTR stock      Grip– Magpul™ MOE grip Optional Accessories      Magpul™ folding sights      Magpul™ STR stock      Magpul™ MOE fixed stock      30 Rnd. magazine      ALL FIREARMS ARE BUILT TO ORDER Wedgetail Industries Web Site :   https://wedgetailindustries.com/ Wedgetail on FACEBOOK :   https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Science--Technology---Engineering/Wedgetail-Industries-1769240763118149/ [quote]Made right. Right here. Our products are designed and made in Australia. Our production facility in Victoria, Australia is the home of our products from prototype through to production. Our versatile production technology allows us to quickly produce prototypes and test new ideas in rapid succession right at our front door. We have shot countless rounds downrange to create great products that are practical, robust and beautiful.

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I like their idea of retaining the knowledge and capability locally to make these firearms, but they can only be sold to law enforcement locally, not to the public as far as I can tell.  There have been QCAT challenges but it doesn't look good for the firearm owners, which is good for the rest of us.

It's still despite lobbying considered a Category D firearms and unless there is a special case, good luck getting it licensed.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

I like their idea of retaining the knowledge and capability locally to make these firearms, but they can only be sold to law enforcement locally, not to the public as far as I can tell.

"Are the guns used in the US shootings available in Australia?

According to media reports, Adam Lanza was armed with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, as well Glock and SIG-Sauer pistols.

The Bushmaster AR-15 is based on the US military standard issue firearm (often referred to as the M16) and is a semi-automatic centre fire rifle firing .223 calibre (or 5.56mm) rounds. Under Australian laws, it would be classified as a Category D firearm, with ownership restricted to military, police, and professional vertebrate pest controllers. "

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2012/December/Australian_gun_laws

Different guns same law.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

I like their idea of retaining the knowledge and capability locally to make these firearms, but they can only be sold to law enforcement locally, not to the public as far as I can tell.  .

They can be sold to anyone with a category d license.

AR15 for sale in Australia which have been legal for those with Cat D since 1996, click on Colt or you could see better semi auto centrfires like HK. https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Products.aspx?Category=Category%20C%20and%20D

Another Aussie made classic Cat D semi auto on abused guns.https://www.usedguns.com.au/Product.aspx?p=180977

You should listen to your MIL and stop peddling bullshit on internet.

No crimes listed for legal Cat D owners since our 1996 gun laws .

lee wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 1:13pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 12:08pm: I like their idea of retaining the knowledge and capability locally to make these firearms, but they can only be sold to law enforcement locally, not to the public as far as I can tell. "Are the guns used in the US shootings available in Australia? According to media reports, Adam Lanza was armed with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, as well Glock and SIG-Sauer pistols. The Bushmaster AR-15 is based on the US military standard issue firearm (often referred to as the M16) and is a semi-automatic centre fire rifle firing .223 calibre (or 5.56mm) rounds. Under Australian laws, it would be classified as a Category D firearm, with ownership restricted to military, police, and professional vertebrate pest controllers. " https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2012/December/Australian_gun_laws Different guns same law.

Qld allows Primary Producers as defined by tax dept to have Cat D.


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Category C and D firearms are generally accessible only to individuals with an occupational need for the firearms. This includes occupations such as primary producers, pest controllers, firearms dealers, armourers, instructors and theatrical ordnance suppliers. They may also be available to firearms collectors who are members of a collector’s guild. https://www.qldtrainingcentre.com.au/courses/category-c-d/

Panther wrote on Mar 4^th, 2020 at 3:08pm:

https://i.postimg.cc/cJZBqsW1/La-Pierre-Good-Person.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cJZBqsW1/La-Pierre-Good-Person.jpg

Most gun accidents do not involve bad men.

Most likely gun victim is a family member.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 8:14pm:

Most gun accidents do not involve bad men.

That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents.

lee wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 8:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Most gun accidents do not involve bad men. That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents.

That's True

USA:

Thus far in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children.

Downunder we don't have AR-15s...

Thats a pity!

Perhaps you wouldn't be the same compliant, servile hicks you are now! Meekly obeying unlawful rules like well trained dogs at obedience training. Those that do have the critical thinking skills (the best of you) are being punished. Most cannot see through this covid hoax, this psychosis, a virus that no one has even identified.

What happened to Australians? Sad! Throw off your masks!

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2020 at 8:27pm:

http://youtu.be/MrRAO_vG_K4

Australia: The Island Continent of the Sahulian Region which lays between the regions of Africa and Oceania and beyond South America.
Sahul is the most virulent region of the world (followed by South America).

Australia will never really get ahead Military wise.
Australia will become the biggest distributer of 'illicit drugs' and alcohols in the world.
Australia's true nature is that of the Assassin.
We are a toxic and poisonous people.
Australia has the highest rate per population in the world of drug and alcohol users and now many drugs will soon be legalised. Americans will soon have to get a 'script' for Tobacco.  ;D
Business is about to boom for Australia like Tobacco funded the American Revolution.

Who needs AR-15's anyway? :-? ::)

Death by Lethal Injection.
Australia is comfortably numb.
Even the Eucalypts vaporise us with their aromatic blue haze into sedation... into a Dreamtime.

Most of you don't really know Australia much at all.
There is more to this part of the world than you think beyond what you see on TV.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 16^th, 2020 at 9:13pm:

lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Most gun accidents do not involve bad men. That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents. That's True USA: Thus far in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children.

It's an unfortunate fact.....Children die accidentally from many causes.....in falls, car accidents, & pool drownings...etc....etc......etc......accidental death, it's a fact of life.

So, what's your point? Another false comparison to little ole Australia & its 1996 Johnny Laws on the horizon?

Many nations have conquered other nations without the use of Military action and weaponry.
The Sultans of Arabia opened their gates to the Hordes of Genghis Khan. Didn't take long to 'trade' the Golden Horde into ruin.
Ramses the Ranga II voided the surrounding enemies with the biggest ART and Propaganda machine of ancient times.
The Minoans used Art as well.
Religion is another good example.

Australia is a land of Suicide, not War.
What's your poison?

Panther wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 8:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 9:13pm: lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Most gun accidents do not involve bad men. That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents. That's True USA: Thus far in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children. Children die accidentally from many causes.....in falls, car accidents, & pool drownings...etc....etc......etc......accidental death, it's a fact of life. So, what's your point? Another false comparison to little ole Australia & its 1996 Johnny Laws on the horizon?

Any excuse will do.

Its ok for children to shoot each other because otherwise they could fall in the pool. Shooting children prevents drownings ?

No need for guns -
just teach the cops Karate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigKXB_zSyo

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 8:35am:

Panther wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 9:13pm: lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Most gun accidents do not involve bad men. That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents. That's True USA: Thus far in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children. Children die accidentally from many causes.....in falls, car accidents, & pool drownings...etc....etc......etc......accidental death, it's a fact of life. So, what's your point? Another false comparison to little ole Australia & its 1996 Johnny Laws on the horizon? Any excuse will do.

I accept your white flag of surrender........ http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/taunt.gif


God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA

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No need for guns -
just teach the cops Karate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigKXB_zSyo

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

No need for guns - just teach the cops Karate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MigKXB_zSyo

Never take a knife to a gunfight.

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 1:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 8:46am: No need for guns - just teach the cops Karate: Never take a knife to a gunfight.

But how many crims have guns and would use them on cops?

In England and NZ - the cops very seldom carry guns.
They don't walk around like cowboys as they do here
with a gun on their hip.
I think the cops should be able to decide for
themselves if they want to carry a gun.
As far as I know - they don't have any choice.

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Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 1:10pm:

But how many crims have guns and would use them on cops?

How many crims have guns? A lot it seems

Would they use them on cops? I definitely think so. Rather pointless to carry one and not use it to prevent arrest.


Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 1:10pm:

In England and NZ - the cops very seldom carry guns.

And they still die from gunshot.

"The Metropolitan Police officer shot dead in Croydon is the 17th from the force to have been killed by a firearm since the Second World War.

But since the beginning of the 20th Century 73 police officers have been shot and killed by criminals in the UK, excluding all deaths in Northern Ireland.

The majority of those deaths - more than 50 - have occurred since 1945. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54293111

The figures for Australia are harder to find. The latest I can see is up until 2007. And that total from 1945 is 9.

https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/bitstream/handle/10072/27745/56521_1.pdf?sequence=1

Table 2

lee wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 2:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: But how many crims have guns and would use them on cops? How many crims have guns? A lot it seems Would they use them on cops? I definitely think so. Rather pointless to carry one and not use it to prevent arrest. Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 1:10pm: In England and NZ - the cops very seldom carry guns. And they still die from gunshot. "The Metropolitan Police officer shot dead in Croydon is the 17th from the force to have been killed by a firearm since the Second World War. But since the beginning of the 20th Century 73 police officers have been shot and killed by criminals in the UK, excluding all deaths in Northern Ireland. The majority of those deaths - more than 50 - have occurred since 1945. " https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54293111 The figures for Australia are harder to find. The latest I can see is up until 2007. And that total from 1945 is 9. https://research-repository.griffith.edu.au/bitstream/handle/10072/27745/56521_1.pdf?sequence=1 Table 2

Thanks Lee,
I think the police are too tempted to shoot people with guns.
There have been too many people shot
when a police baton or a taser would have done the job.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

.....I think the police are too tempted to shoot people with guns. There have been too many people shot when a police baton or a taser would have done the job.

You don't take away an Officer's most valuable weapon which he/she can choose to use in self-defense if his/her life is in danger.

Having a baton is cute, but if he/she is confronted by multiple perpetrators, or even only one perp with a firearm, the Officer can only toss the baton at the perp as he/she is running for their life, hoping to disable the perp before he gets a shot off...

A taser may have better results, but again when facing more than one perp, or a heavily armed perp, having only a taser & baton will most probably just get the Officer killed. That's not an acceptable outcome.

Besides, if you dig up the stats of when cops discharge their firearms, you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm.....

If you're concerned about the perp getting shot & possibly killed, then the Officers training is probably the best way to help him/her to make correct decisions in most all circumstances.

Disarming Law Enforcement is never the best decision to make........just ask any experienced cop.....they know what tools they might need to do the job, & return safely home to their families at the end of the work day.

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Panther wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 9:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 3:06pm: .....I think the police are too tempted to shoot people with guns. There have been too many people shot when a police baton or a taser would have done the job. You don't take away an Officer's most valuable weapon which he/she can choose to use in self-defense if his/her life is in danger. Having a baton is cute, but if he/she is confronted by multiple perpetrators, or even only one perp with a firearm, the Officer can only toss the baton at the perp as he/she is running for their life, hoping to disable the perp before he gets a shot off... A taser may have better results, but again when facing more than one perp, or a heavily armed perp, having only a taser & baton will most probably just get the Officer killed. That's not an acceptable outcome. Besides, if you dig up the stats of when cops discharge their firearms, you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm..... If you're concerned about the perp getting shot & possibly killed, then the Officers training is probably the best way to help him/her to make correct decisions in most all circumstances. Disarming Law Enforcement is never the best decision to make........just ask any experienced cop.....they know what tools they might need to do the job, & return safely home to their families at the end of the work day. ..

So you conclusion is the Cops need to be heavily armed because the community is ?


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you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm

I would think 80% is optimistic.


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Disarming Law Enforcement is never the best decision to make

Don't think anyone is suggesting that it is.

Seems you are successfully making the argument that there are too many guns in the community to allow safe policing without collateral deaths.


Yes guns in the community is one of the main factors behind police gun crime.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

So you conclusion is the Cops need to be heavily armed because the community is ? Quote: you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm I would think 80% is optimistic. [quote]Disarming Law Enforcement is never the best decision to make

Don't think anyone is suggesting that it is.

Seems you are successfully making the argument that there are too many guns in the community to allow safe policing without collateral deaths..........

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Being that a Crystal Ball isn't standard department issue, there is no way an Officer would know for sure what he/she would be up against. So, to be properly prepared for the 'worse case scenario', having superior weaponry than the criminal might have, is a must.......ask any experienced Officer that wants to get safely home to his family at the end of his shift, & IMHO they would probably agree......

PS....keeping in mind the threads title......I'm assuming that we are dealing with Aussie Crims, & Aussie Cops

Panther wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 12:00pm:

Being that a Crystal Ball isn't standard department issue, there is no way an Officer would know for sure what he/she would be up against. So, to be properly prepared for the 'worse case scenario', having superior weaponry than the criminal might have, is a must.......ask any experienced Officer that wants to get safely home to his family at the end of his shift, & IMHO they would probably agree...... PS....keeping in mind the threads title......I'm assuming that we are dealing with Aussie Crims, & Aussie Cops

The only weapon the cops need is a copy of the Bible.
When threatened by crims, the cops
should just hold the Bible in the air and shout the name of Jesus.

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 12:24pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:00pm: Being that a Crystal Ball isn't standard department issue, there is no way an Officer would know for sure what he/she would be up against. So, to be properly prepared for the 'worse case scenario', having superior weaponry than the criminal might have, is a must.......ask any experienced Officer that wants to get safely home to his family at the end of his shift, & IMHO they would probably agree...... PS....keeping in mind the threads title......I'm assuming that we are dealing with Aussie Crims, & Aussie Cops The only weapon the cops need is a copy of the Bible. When threatened by crims, the cops should just hold the Bible in the air and shout the name of Jesus.

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Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

Quote: you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm I would think 80% is optimistic.

"There were 82 shooting deaths in police custody between 2006–07 and 2016–17 (see Table A1).
Fifty-seven percent (n=47) of these deaths were police shootings, and 43 percent (n=35) were selfinflicted (see Table 1). All but three shooting deaths in police custody occurred as police attempted to detain the individual (see Table A2)"

"In 96 percent (n=43; see Table 4) of police shootings between 2006–07 and 2016–17 the decedent
was in possession of a weapon. The weapon most commonly possessed by decedents was a knife
(47%, n=21), followed by a firearm (31%, n=14). Between 1989–90 and 2010–11, 85 percent (n=89)
of fatal police shootings involved a decedent in possession of a weapon (AIC 2013). Since 2011–12,
this has increased to 100 percent (n=26)"

"The proportion of incidents in which the weapon was used against responding police officers was
higher in police shootings (88%, n=38) than self-inflicted shootings (34%, n=12). In police shootings,
knives were most likely to be used against police, either to threaten (n=15) or injure (n=2) a police
officer. Decedents who ultimately shot themselves were most likely to threaten (n=10) or kill (n=1)
a responding police officer using the firearm ultimately used to shoot themselves. In one other
self-inflicted shooting case, the decedent injured a police officer with a knife."

"                                                 No.  %
Coronial findings available   39  83
Justifiable shooting                 37  95
Unjustifiable shooting               2   5
Coronial findings unavailable 8 17

https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/sb19_shooting_deaths_in_police_custody.pdf

Bobby. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 12:24pm:

Panther wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 12:00pm: Being that a Crystal Ball isn't standard department issue, there is no way an Officer would know for sure what he/she would be up against. So, to be properly prepared for the 'worse case scenario', having superior weaponry than the criminal might have, is a must.......ask any experienced Officer that wants to get safely home to his family at the end of his shift, & IMHO they would probably agree...... PS....keeping in mind the threads title......I'm assuming that we are dealing with Aussie Crims, & Aussie Cops The only weapon the cops need is a copy of the Bible. When threatened by crims, the cops should just hold the Bible in the air and shout the name of Jesus.

Reminds me of that story of a WW II soldier saved by a bullet hitting his bible ... he reckoned the bullet killed the Bible thus saving his soul...

Panther wrote on Oct 17^th, 2020 at 8:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 8:35am: Panther wrote on Oct 17th, 2020 at 8:28am: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 9:13pm: lee wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:46pm: Dnarever wrote on Oct 16th, 2020 at 8:14pm: Most gun accidents do not involve bad men. That's true. Most gun deaths do not involve accidents. That's True USA: Thus far in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children. Children die accidentally from many causes.....in falls, car accidents, & pool drownings...etc....etc......etc......accidental death, it's a fact of life. So, what's your point? Another false comparison to little ole Australia & its 1996 Johnny Laws on the horizon? Any excuse will do. I accept your white flag of surrender........ http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/taunt.gif God Bless The United States Constitution............God Bless AMERICA http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/2ndAmendmentPermitLG.gif

You misrepresent what was said and fly the US flag - Your good at disrespecting your nation and belittling your amendment.

lee wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 10:28am: Quote: you will probably find that better than 99% of the times when a perp is injured or killed by a cop's firearm, it was a justified use of the firearm I would think 80% is optimistic. "There were 82 shooting deaths in police custody between 2006–07 and 2016–17 (see Table A1). Fifty-seven percent (n=47) of these deaths were police shootings, and 43 percent (n=35) were selfinflicted (see Table 1). All but three shooting deaths in police custody occurred as police attempted to detain the individual (see Table A2)" "In 96 percent (n=43; see Table 4) of police shootings between 2006–07 and 2016–17 the decedent was in possession of a weapon. The weapon most commonly possessed by decedents was a knife (47%, n=21), followed by a firearm (31%, n=14). Between 1989–90 and 2010–11, 85 percent (n=89) of fatal police shootings involved a decedent in possession of a weapon (AIC 2013). Since 2011–12, this has increased to 100 percent (n=26)" "The proportion of incidents in which the weapon was used against responding police officers was higher in police shootings (88%, n=38) than self-inflicted shootings (34%, n=12). In police shootings, knives were most likely to be used against police, either to threaten (n=15) or injure (n=2) a police officer. Decedents who ultimately shot themselves were most likely to threaten (n=10) or kill (n=1) a responding police officer using the firearm ultimately used to shoot themselves. In one other self-inflicted shooting case, the decedent injured a police officer with a knife." "                                                 No.  % Coronial findings available   39  83 Justifiable shooting                 37  95 Unjustifiable shooting               2   5 Coronial findings unavailable 8 17 https://www.aic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-05/sb19_shooting_deaths_in_police_custody.pdf

How many of these incidents were not self assessed ?  A = 0 ?


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Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

How many of these incidents were not self assessed ?  A = 0 ?

Define self-assessed petal.  You do understand "Coronial findings available"? So now you think the police officers are also the Coroners? ;D ;D ;D ;D


Dnarever wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:04pm:

Value of this data =0 .

Only to you petal. Value of your contribution? Exactly 0

Poor Bwian. Started a thread that has been totally demolished. AR15's exist, licensed, in Australia. TSK TSK ::) ::)

lee wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:21pm:

Poor Bwian. Started a thread that has been totally demolished. AR15's exist, licensed, in Australia. TSK TSK ::) ::)

Awwwwww...... http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/cray.gif.......Here's a tiny consolation prize Bwi......although there are AR-15s here in Australia.......the Firearm that is proudly manufactured & sold here in Australia is actually the WT-15.

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God Bless Australia............God Bless The WT-15 Semi-Automatic Rifle............

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In Australia, guns cannot be owned for "self defence purposes".  AR-15s are only owned by a very, very, small minority of gun owners which have a Cat-d license.  AR-15 guns are generally crap guns.  Unless kept scrupulously clean, they are prone to stoppages.   In the military version, as the M16 or the M4, the rifle is prone to spit magazines if firing blanks.  I would not recommend such a rifle to anyone.  It is a crappy rifle that is prone to fouling because of it's "direct gas impingement" method used to cycle the bolt.

Of course, it is American made which is why it is a crappy rifle.   ::) ::)

Panther wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:46pm:

Here's a tiny consolation prize Bwi......although there are AR-15s here in Australia.......the Firearm that is proudly manufactured & sold here in Australia is actually the WT-15.

Poor petal. It is not the only one available in Australia. And your headline said they weren't available in Australia. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:55pm:

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You seem to suffer from Ameriphobia, your opinions go far beyond issues with a rifle. When a company buys new vehicles they are not well cared for and have problems far sooner then ones privately owned. People do not take care of them and some people actually abuse them as I have seen. I would never buy a car from a rental agency for that reason. The same is true of rifles in the military, they suffer daily abuse in the hands of recruits. It has little value to them so they do not take care of their rifles and blame their equipment.

A small number of Australians own them because they are so artificially expensive. At a rate of about ten to one apparently.

I own several AR platform rifles and none have ever had a function issue unless it was the ammunition. Some don't like steel cased Russian commercial 5.56.  Magazines seat much easier if the action is open but a rap on the bottom of the magazine should seat it just fine unless you can't get the hang of it! Maybe your training was flawed and the technique used needed to reviewed. I have never used blanks except in a "can cannon" so all I have experience with is live ammo.

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 11:58pm:

You seem to suffer from Ameriphobia, your opinions go far beyond issues with a rifle.

The predecessor to the M16 was the M14.  It was a remarkably badly made rifle.  It was replaced with the M16, another remarkably bad rifle.  What is the one thing in common between the M14 and the M16?  Both were designed and produced (originally) in American.  The AR15 is basically as semi-automatic version of the M16.  The only major difference between the two is that the AR15 has a "spur" on it's change lever which prevents it moving into a fully-automatic position.   It is not "Americanophobia" it is simple recognition that your country cannot design or produce a good rifle design.   ::)


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A small number of Australians own them because they are so artificially expensive. At a rate of about ten to one apparently.

A small number of Australians own them because they have a Cat-D firearms license - they are professional shooters engaged in pest management.    ::)


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I own several AR platform rifles and none have ever had a function issue unless it was the ammunition. Some don't like steel cased Russian commercial 5.56.  Magazines seat much easier if the action is open but a rap on the bottom of the magazine should seat it just fine unless you can't get the hang of it! Maybe your training was flawed and the technique used needed to reviewed. I have never used blanks except in a "can cannon" so all I have experience with is live ammo.

You should never need to "tap" a magazine to make sure it is seated properly.  I was taught expressly not to do that because there is a chance that the magazine could become unseated and fall out.  If a weapon requires a "tap" to make sure the magazine is seated correctly, there is a flaw in it's design.  The SMG F1 didn't need a "tap", nor did the Rifle L1a1, the LMG Bren in either .303in or 7.62x51mm calibre.  The F88 Steyr didn't need one.  The Sniper rifle didn't need it nor did any other weapon which used removable magazines in Australian Army service.  The M16 is a POS.  Pure and simple and the Army regretted taking them on charge in the mid-1960s.   It was simply too prone to stoppages.  That included the XM16 and M16e1 which appeared at about the same time.    ::) ::)

lee wrote on Oct 18^th, 2020 at 4:19pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 4:04pm: How many of these incidents were not self assessed ?  A = 0 ? Define self-assessed petal.  You do understand "Coronial findings available"? So now you think the police officers are also the Coroners? ;D ;D ;D ;D Dnarever wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 4:04pm: Value of this data =0 . Only to you petal. Value of your contribution? Exactly 0

You are one past the last person here to evaluate anyone else's value.


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"Coronial findings available"

Coronial findings are part of the system they mostly accept the police findings, the police internal white wash. Occasionally it is a bit too much for them but in general how would they know. Their outcome is most often a worthless rubber stamp for the police.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 19^th, 2020 at 3:20pm:

Coronial findings are part of the system they mostly accept the police findings, the police internal white wash.

Link? ;)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 11:58pm: You seem to suffer from Ameriphobia, your opinions go far beyond issues with a rifle. The predecessor to the M16 was the M14.  It was a remarkably badly made rifle.  It was replaced with the M16, another remarkably bad rifle.  What is the one thing in common between the M14 and the M16?  Both were designed and produced (originally) in American.  The AR15 is basically as semi-automatic version of the M16.  The only major difference between the two is that the AR15 has a "spur" on it's change lever which prevents it moving into a fully-automatic position.   It is not "Americanophobia" it is simple recognition that your country cannot design or produce a good rifle design.   ::) Quote: A small number of Australians own them because they are so artificially expensive. At a rate of about ten to one apparently. A small number of Australians own them because they have a Cat-D firearms license - they are professional shooters engaged in pest management.    ::) [quote] I own several AR platform rifles and none have ever had a function issue unless it was the ammunition. Some don't like steel cased Russian commercial 5.56.  Magazines seat much easier if the action is open but a rap on the bottom of the magazine should seat it just fine unless you can't get the hang of it! Maybe your training was flawed and the technique used needed to reviewed. I have never used blanks except in a "can cannon" so all I have experience with is live ammo.

You should never need to "tap" a magazine to make sure it is seated properly.  I was taught expressly not to do that because there is a chance that the magazine could become unseated and fall out.  If a weapon requires a "tap" to make sure the magazine is seated correctly, there is a flaw in it's design.  The SMG F1 didn't need a "tap", nor did the Rifle L1a1, the LMG Bren in either .303in or 7.62x51mm calibre.  The F88 Steyr didn't need one.  The Sniper rifle didn't need it nor did any other weapon which used removable magazines in Australian Army service.  The M16 is a POS.  Pure and simple and the Army regretted taking them on charge in the mid-1960s.   It was simply too prone to stoppages.  That included the XM16 and M16e1 which appeared at about the same time.    ::) ::)[/quote]


I feel such a detailed explanation may be wasted here Brian. 

Belgarion wrote on Oct 19^th, 2020 at 6:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19th, 2020 at 12:58pm: Mortdooley wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 11:58pm: You seem to suffer from Ameriphobia, your opinions go far beyond issues with a rifle. The predecessor to the M16 was the M14.  It was a remarkably badly made rifle.  It was replaced with the M16, another remarkably bad rifle.  What is the one thing in common between the M14 and the M16?  Both were designed and produced (originally) in American.  The AR15 is basically as semi-automatic version of the M16.  The only major difference between the two is that the AR15 has a "spur" on it's change lever which prevents it moving into a fully-automatic position.   It is not "Americanophobia" it is simple recognition that your country cannot design or produce a good rifle design.   ::) Quote: A small number of Australians own them because they are so artificially expensive. At a rate of about ten to one apparently. A small number of Australians own them because they have a Cat-D firearms license - they are professional shooters engaged in pest management.    ::) [quote] I own several AR platform rifles and none have ever had a function issue unless it was the ammunition. Some don't like steel cased Russian commercial 5.56.  Magazines seat much easier if the action is open but a rap on the bottom of the magazine should seat it just fine unless you can't get the hang of it! Maybe your training was flawed and the technique used needed to reviewed. I have never used blanks except in a "can cannon" so all I have experience with is live ammo. You should never need to "tap" a magazine to make sure it is seated properly.  I was taught expressly not to do that because there is a chance that the magazine could become unseated and fall out.  If a weapon requires a "tap" to make sure the magazine is seated correctly, there is a flaw in it's design.  The SMG F1 didn't need a "tap", nor did the Rifle L1a1, the LMG Bren in either .303in or 7.62x51mm calibre.  The F88 Steyr didn't need one.  The Sniper rifle didn't need it nor did any other weapon which used removable magazines in Australian Army service.  The M16 is a POS.  Pure and simple and the Army regretted taking them on charge in the mid-1960s.   It was simply too prone to stoppages.  That included the XM16 and M16e1 which appeared at about the same time.    ::) ::)

I feel such a detailed explanation may be wasted here Brian.  [/quote]

I agree.  Gun nuts are well, gun nuts, pure and simple.  If they like guns that much, let them join their defence forces...   ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 19^th, 2020 at 12:58pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 18th, 2020 at 11:58pm: You seem to suffer from Ameriphobia, your opinions go far beyond issues with a rifle. The predecessor to the M16 was the M14.  It was a remarkably badly made rifle.  It was replaced with the M16, another remarkably bad rifle.  What is the one thing in common between the M14 and the M16?  Both were designed and produced (originally) in American.  The AR15 is basically as semi-automatic version of the M16.  The only major difference between the two is that the AR15 has a "spur" on it's change lever which prevents it moving into a fully-automatic position.   It is not "Americanophobia" it is simple recognition that your country cannot design or produce a good rifle design.   ::) Quote: A small number of Australians own them because they are so artificially expensive. At a rate of about ten to one apparently. A small number of Australians own them because they have a Cat-D firearms license - they are professional shooters engaged in pest management.    ::) [quote] I own several AR platform rifles and none have ever had a function issue unless it was the ammunition. Some don't like steel cased Russian commercial 5.56.  Magazines seat much easier if the action is open but a rap on the bottom of the magazine should seat it just fine unless you can't get the hang of it! Maybe your training was flawed and the technique used needed to reviewed. I have never used blanks except in a "can cannon" so all I have experience with is live ammo.

You should never need to "tap" a magazine to make sure it is seated properly.  I was taught expressly not to do that because there is a chance that the magazine could become unseated and fall out.  If a weapon requires a "tap" to make sure the magazine is seated correctly, there is a flaw in it's design.  The SMG F1 didn't need a "tap", nor did the Rifle L1a1, the LMG Bren in either .303in or 7.62x51mm calibre.  The F88 Steyr didn't need one.  The Sniper rifle didn't need it nor did any other weapon which used removable magazines in Australian Army service.  The M16 is a POS.  Pure and simple and the Army regretted taking them on charge in the mid-1960s.   It was simply too prone to stoppages.  That included the XM16 and M16e1 which appeared at about the same time.    ::) ::)[/quote]



You are long on opinion and short on knowledge, The M14 was a refinement on the M1 Garand. It is an excellent weapon but heavy, it is better used as a specialty waapon. The M16 replaced the M14 because it allowed troops to carry it with less fatigue and more ammo. If the AR platform is such a poor weapon why is it manufactured in your country for pest control when a Remington 700 would do the same job? The charging handle is nothing more than an aluminum hook to pull back the bolt. If you mean the m-16 bolt allows it to fire full auto you are wrong again. I used M-16 bolts in every build and it has nothing to do with the selector switch. It is the itty bitty parts in the trigger group!

I don't need to tap the bottom of my magazines either but Hollywood shows that is the proper way to insert the magazine. If you didn't hear the snap noise as the catch holds the magazine in place it will fall out. The reason to not tap the magazine in place is you don't want to bend the feed lips. They also show the proper way to shoot the Glock handgun is to hold it sideways, gangsta style. Sometimes people need to unlearn bad habits from watching entertainment.

If the AR platform guns were as available there as here the only change you would probably see is lawful competition meets like we have here. They wouldn't be a threat to pubic safety. Democrats predicted Americans would have gun battles on our Interstate Highways if the carrying of firearms in public were approved. After more than twenty years it hasn't happened yet! I know you don't trust your fellow citizen to act responsibly and just hold the occasional criminal to blame.

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 20^th, 2020 at 11:46pm:

You are long on opinion and short on knowledge, The M14 was a refinement on the M1 Garand. It is an excellent weapon but heavy, it is better used as a specialty waapon

The M14 was actually a completely different design to the M1 Garand.  It was sold as a refinement with the possibility that the same machinery could be used in it's manufacture.  In reality it required new machinery.  It require new techniques.  It was so badly manufactured originally that it's wooden furniture was prone to splitting and it could be easily fouled (note the same problem as the M16?) and be prone to stoppages.  I once read an interesting article in an early 1960s American magazines about "how unnatural" the use of a pistol grip and how American riflemen preferred the traditional butt grip.  Of course, five years later the M16 came into service, with a pistol grip.  A friend of mine who served in Vietnam once described the M14 to be as a "piece of pooh".   ::)


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The M16 replaced the M14 because it allowed troops to carry it with less fatigue and more ammo.

Actually, the M16 was intended as a "stop gap" pending the manufacture of sufficient M14s.  Seems there was quite a hold up on the M14 production lines...  It was first adopted by the USAF and then by the US Army, after several tens of thousands were handed over to the ARVN.


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If the AR platform is such a poor weapon why is it manufactured in your country for pest control when a Remington 700 would do the same job?

Because people like it's lightweight and it's black furniture.  They obviously have plenty of time to spend cleaning it because that is what they will have to do.   The Remington 700 isn't manufactured here and I doubt it ever would be.   ::)


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The charging handle is nothing more than an aluminum hook to pull back the bolt. If you mean the m-16 bolt allows it to fire full auto you are wrong again. I used M-16 bolts in every build and it has nothing to do with the selector switch. It is the itty bitty parts in the trigger group!

Externally, the only difference is the as described "spur" on the safety lever.


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I don't need to tap the bottom of my magazines either but Hollywood shows that is the proper way to insert the magazine. If you didn't hear the snap noise as the catch holds the magazine in place it will fall out.

Never heard that "snap noise" 'cause I've only worn hearing protection when I fired it.  The magazine catch was also classed as a weakness in the design.


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The reason to not tap the magazine in place is you don't want to bend the feed lips. They also show the proper way to shoot the Glock handgun is to hold it sideways, gangsta style. Sometimes people need to unlearn bad habits from watching entertainment.

You were the one selling the "tap a magazine", not me.


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If the AR platform guns were as available there as here the only change you would probably see is lawful competition meets like we have here.

And a complete repeal of the existing legislation.  Gun ownership is a privilege granted by Parliament, not a "right" as expressed in your Constitution, thankfully.  If you want to play with guns, you join the defence forces.   ::)


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They wouldn't be a threat to pubic safety. Democrats predicted Americans would have gun battles on our Interstate Highways if the carrying of firearms in public were approved. After more than twenty years it hasn't happened yet! I know you don't trust your fellow citizen to act responsibly and just hold the occasional criminal to blame.

Is that why "road rage" episodes occur?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like the Dems were right, afterall.  No I don't trust my fellow Australians, just as I don't trust Americans or any other nationalities to have guns.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)

M-14 was OK on single shot - full auto had a tendency to run away unless you were skilled to handle it... still see a use for M-14 at range in Afghanistan .... beats an AK by a country mile over 300m.

I don't think the M-16 ever got a good wrap anywhere... also compared to the AR it had a manual bolt closer in case it stuck (wow - like it never did, eh?), and one other small refinement I've forgotten now. Recall that the M-1 carbine had weak mag springs and wisdom was to change them every chance you got to new mags... amazing how they got away with the full auto version and the 30 shot mag.

I like my 7.62 heavy to go where I point it...

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2020 at 1:35pm:

Is that why "road rage" episodes occur?

If firearms are the cause of road rage why is it so prevalent in Australia? TSK TSK  ::) ::)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 21^st, 2020 at 1:47pm:

M-14 was OK on single shot - full auto had a tendency to run away unless you were skilled to handle it... still see a use for M-14 at range in Afghanistan .... beats an AK by a country mile over 300m. I don't think the M-16 ever got a good wrap anywhere... also compared to the AR it had a manual bolt closer in case it stuck (wow - like it never did, eh?), and one other small refinement I've forgotten now. Recall that the M-1 carbine had weak mag springs and wisdom was to change them every chance you got to new mags... amazing how they got away with the full auto version and the 30 shot mag. I like my 7.62 heavy to go where I point it...

7.62x51mm was a stop gap solution to satisfy the US Ordnance Department.  They had more than sufficient 30'06 ammunition left over and didn't want to install new manufacturing plant to manufacture a new calibre, like the British 7mm of the EM2 rifle.   The 7mm was a superior round to either 7.62x51mm or 5.56x45mm (which basically replaced it).  It offered more penetration at 600metres and had a higher muzzle-velocity.  Churchill favoured the FN-FAL another good rifle which didn't make the grade in the US, again because of the US Ordnance Department.   The EM2 was ditched and the FN-FAL was adopted in various forms across the world.  Interesting isn't it that the M14 was never widely adoped, except in Taiwan and the Philippines, and of course the US Army.   Everybody who looked at it, recoiled in horror...   ::) ::)

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21^st, 2020 at 1:35pm:

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 20th, 2020 at 11:46pm: You are long on opinion and short on knowledge, The M14 was a refinement on the M1 Garand. It is an excellent weapon but heavy, it is better used as a specialty waapon The M14 was actually a completely different design to the M1 Garand.  It was sold as a refinement with the possibility that the same machinery could be used in it's manufacture.  In reality it required new machinery.  It require new techniques.  It was so badly manufactured originally that it's wooden furniture was prone to splitting and it could be easily fouled (note the same problem as the M16?) and be prone to stoppages.  I once read an interesting article in an early 1960s American magazines about "how unnatural" the use of a pistol grip and how American riflemen preferred the traditional butt grip.  Of course, five years later the M16 came into service, with a pistol grip.  A friend of mine who served in Vietnam once described the M14 to be as a "piece of pooh".   ::) Quote: The M16 replaced the M14 because it allowed troops to carry it with less fatigue and more ammo. Actually, the M16 was intended as a "stop gap" pending the manufacture of sufficient M14s.  Seems there was quite a hold up on the M14 production lines...  It was first adopted by the USAF and then by the US Army, after several tens of thousands were handed over to the ARVN. [quote] If the AR platform is such a poor weapon why is it manufactured in your country for pest control when a Remington 700 would do the same job?

Because people like it's lightweight and it's black furniture.  They obviously have plenty of time to spend cleaning it because that is what they will have to do.   The Remington 700 isn't manufactured here and I doubt it ever would be.   ::)


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The charging handle is nothing more than an aluminum hook to pull back the bolt. If you mean the m-16 bolt allows it to fire full auto you are wrong again. I used M-16 bolts in every build and it has nothing to do with the selector switch. It is the itty bitty parts in the trigger group!

Externally, the only difference is the as described "spur" on the safety lever.


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I don't need to tap the bottom of my magazines either but Hollywood shows that is the proper way to insert the magazine. If you didn't hear the snap noise as the catch holds the magazine in place it will fall out.

Never heard that "snap noise" 'cause I've only worn hearing protection when I fired it.  The magazine catch was also classed as a weakness in the design.


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The reason to not tap the magazine in place is you don't want to bend the feed lips. They also show the proper way to shoot the Glock handgun is to hold it sideways, gangsta style. Sometimes people need to unlearn bad habits from watching entertainment.

You were the one selling the "tap a magazine", not me.


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If the AR platform guns were as available there as here the only change you would probably see is lawful competition meets like we have here.

And a complete repeal of the existing legislation.  Gun ownership is a privilege granted by Parliament, not a "right" as expressed in your Constitution, thankfully.  If you want to play with guns, you join the defence forces.   ::)


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They wouldn't be a threat to pubic safety. Democrats predicted Americans would have gun battles on our Interstate Highways if the carrying of firearms in public were approved. After more than twenty years it hasn't happened yet! I know you don't trust your fellow citizen to act responsibly and just hold the occasional criminal to blame.

Is that why "road rage" episodes occur?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like the Dems were right, afterall.  No I don't trust my fellow Australians, just as I don't trust Americans or any other nationalities to have guns.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)[/quote]



You seem to have your own set of so called facts.

The evolution of the American service rifle in the twentieth century was 1903 Springfield to M1 Garand to M14 and then M16 in that order, there was no stopgap. The goal of the US Military is to buy domestically produced firearms. When they replaced the 1911 I had hoped they would adopt the Ruger P89 but it was not submitted for testing.

So now your "spur is on the safety leaver (selector switch) and no longer on the bolt. It is called the sear and it is a different set of parts in the trigger group.

That snap noise is just the magazine engaging the magazine release. It is much easier to hear if the bolt is held open. Hollywood sells the tap the magazine technique, not me.

Unfortunately for your people they have no Rights, Rights are not something that any government can give. They can only be recognized! Your government needs to get its boot off the neck of the people and understand those in elected office are no better than the people who elected them. They can handle the responsibilities of life better than you give them credit for.

Mortdooley wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 4:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 21st, 2020 at 1:35pm: Mortdooley wrote on Oct 20th, 2020 at 11:46pm: You are long on opinion and short on knowledge, The M14 was a refinement on the M1 Garand. It is an excellent weapon but heavy, it is better used as a specialty waapon The M14 was actually a completely different design to the M1 Garand.  It was sold as a refinement with the possibility that the same machinery could be used in it's manufacture.  In reality it required new machinery.  It require new techniques.  It was so badly manufactured originally that it's wooden furniture was prone to splitting and it could be easily fouled (note the same problem as the M16?) and be prone to stoppages.  I once read an interesting article in an early 1960s American magazines about "how unnatural" the use of a pistol grip and how American riflemen preferred the traditional butt grip.  Of course, five years later the M16 came into service, with a pistol grip.  A friend of mine who served in Vietnam once described the M14 to be as a "piece of pooh".   ::) Quote: The M16 replaced the M14 because it allowed troops to carry it with less fatigue and more ammo. Actually, the M16 was intended as a "stop gap" pending the manufacture of sufficient M14s.  Seems there was quite a hold up on the M14 production lines...  It was first adopted by the USAF and then by the US Army, after several tens of thousands were handed over to the ARVN. [quote] If the AR platform is such a poor weapon why is it manufactured in your country for pest control when a Remington 700 would do the same job? Because people like it's lightweight and it's black furniture.  They obviously have plenty of time to spend cleaning it because that is what they will have to do.   The Remington 700 isn't manufactured here and I doubt it ever would be.   ::) [quote] The charging handle is nothing more than an aluminum hook to pull back the bolt. If you mean the m-16 bolt allows it to fire full auto you are wrong again. I used M-16 bolts in every build and it has nothing to do with the selector switch. It is the itty bitty parts in the trigger group!

Externally, the only difference is the as described "spur" on the safety lever.


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I don't need to tap the bottom of my magazines either but Hollywood shows that is the proper way to insert the magazine. If you didn't hear the snap noise as the catch holds the magazine in place it will fall out.

Never heard that "snap noise" 'cause I've only worn hearing protection when I fired it.  The magazine catch was also classed as a weakness in the design.


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The reason to not tap the magazine in place is you don't want to bend the feed lips. They also show the proper way to shoot the Glock handgun is to hold it sideways, gangsta style. Sometimes people need to unlearn bad habits from watching entertainment.

You were the one selling the "tap a magazine", not me.


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If the AR platform guns were as available there as here the only change you would probably see is lawful competition meets like we have here.

And a complete repeal of the existing legislation.  Gun ownership is a privilege granted by Parliament, not a "right" as expressed in your Constitution, thankfully.  If you want to play with guns, you join the defence forces.   ::)


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They wouldn't be a threat to pubic safety. Democrats predicted Americans would have gun battles on our Interstate Highways if the carrying of firearms in public were approved. After more than twenty years it hasn't happened yet! I know you don't trust your fellow citizen to act responsibly and just hold the occasional criminal to blame.

Is that why "road rage" episodes occur?  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Looks like the Dems were right, afterall.  No I don't trust my fellow Australians, just as I don't trust Americans or any other nationalities to have guns.  Tsk, tsk.   ::)[/quote]



You seem to have your own set of so called facts.

The evolution of the American service rifle in the twentieth century was 1903 Springfield to M1 Garand to M14 and then M16 in that order, there was no stopgap. The goal of the US Military is to buy domestically produced firearms. When they replaced the 1911 I had hoped they would adopt the Ruger P89 but it was not submitted for testing.

So now your "spur is on the safety leaver (selector switch) and no longer on the bolt. It is called the sear and it is a different set of parts in the trigger group.

That snap noise is just the magazine engaging the magazine release. It is much easier to hear if the bolt is held open. Hollywood sells the tap the magazine technique, not me.

Unfortunately for your people they have no Rights, Rights are not something that any government can give. They can only be recognized! Your government needs to get its boot off the neck of the people and understand those in elected office are no better than the people who elected them. They can handle the responsibilities of life better than you give them credit for.

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Well stated Mort......Well Stated!!! Great to see Bwian & his Leftist, Anti-American, Hoplophobic ilk put square in their place!!

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