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Message started by JaSin. on May 31st, 2020 at 11:05am

Title: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on May 31st, 2020 at 11:05am
Upon reading this, Officer Chauvin has come out honorable via the Courts on all but 1 complaint. Just one. It also highlights the dangerous world he works in.
Floyd on the other hand was a Criminal on many crimes committed. He was soliciting counterfeit money at the time of his arrest.
Floyd was known to Chauvin and the other officers.
They make the cops tough in the USA.

Those Protests are not protests, they are just riots conducted by the Criminals of the streets. Maybe the Joker is pulling their strings? Should we call Chauvin 'Bat Man'?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/minneapolis-officers-work-personal-background-detailed/

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 11:14am
It is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the method of Floyds arrest.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:14am:
It is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the method of Floyds arrest.


Your Gaols are overflowing in the USA. You also have a system that legalises Execution. What are you going to do? Especially in a nation that 'arms' its citizens by an archaic Law. Many Australian cops do stints in the USA for educational reasons and they all admit it is a far more dangerous place there because the Criminals run riot under the 'Freedom Act'.
Here, the Criminal activity is controlled. It's a minority, not a majority.

What are you going to do? Send your Criminals here via 6 months on a leaky boat? You would be justifying British involvement here in Australia.

So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

In a nation that issues EXECUTION, I find it hard to believe this is anything out of the ordinary. It's the nature of the beast and you didn't see Australians (in the USA) take to the streets or Americans (even Black) come out on the streets... and she wasn't even a known criminal.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 11:40am

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:


So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

You need to learn to read. That "technique" is not taught to law enforcement anywhere in  the world that I am aware of, I have never seen it used and I have participated in literally hundreds of restraint situations. It would have meant instant dismissal and criminal charges for anyone in this country with a badge doing  that, let alone the immediate flogging he would have got from his colleagues. Now let me repeat this so you learn something , in law enforcement training the neck is specifically taught as a no go area in  restraint situations. This officer was doing what he was trained not to do. I cant make it any clearer.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on May 31st, 2020 at 1:02pm

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:40am:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:


So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

You need to learn to read. That "technique" is not taught to law enforcement anywhere in  the world that I am aware of, I have never seen it used and I have participated in literally hundreds of restraint situations. It would have meant instant dismissal and criminal charges for anyone in this country with a badge doing  that, let alone the immediate flogging he would have got from his colleagues. Now let me repeat this so you learn something , in law enforcement training the neck is specifically taught as a no go area in  restraint situations. This officer was doing what he was trained not to do. I cant make it any clearer.

So it's ok for Criminals to exhibit the right to 'execute' on the spot (and of 'innocent' people)? But a Police Officer can not do such on a known Criminal.
I really think your nation of people have got their priorities wrong, or at least a minority of them at the moment.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by Fuzzball on May 31st, 2020 at 2:16pm
This 'takedown and restraint' technique IS taught at numerous Police Academies in the US, it is a standard 'restrain and hold' technique in a situation of non-compliance by the offender in order to control the offender until they are handcuffed. The ONLY time the neck is  a forbidden area is a strangle-hold.

I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER!

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by greggerypeccary on May 31st, 2020 at 4:17pm

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:05am:
Upon reading this, Officer Chauvin has come out honorable via the Courts on all but 1 complaint. Just one. It also highlights the dangerous world he works in.
Floyd on the other hand was a Criminal on many crimes committed. He was soliciting counterfeit money at the time of his arrest.


Don't you mean allegedly?


Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 5:42pm

Fuzzball wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 2:16pm:
This 'takedown and restraint' technique IS taught at numerous Police Academies in the US, it is a standard 'restrain and hold' technique in a situation of non-compliance by the offender in order to control the offender until they are handcuffed. The ONLY time the neck is  a forbidden area is a strangle-hold.

I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER!
Bullsh1t. Ive had the exact same training they give to US police officers, the neck is what is called a red zone, no go. Only permitted as a target area if your own life is in danger. In fact if you observe the commentary from the prosecutor he confirms this. So cut the c r@p and stop pretending like you know anything about it. Because you are looking pretty stupid now.
And there is no such thing as a "stranglehold" idiot, its called a chokehold and this is the only approved technique to use in this area. To be quite honest id like to demonstrate by putting my knee on your neck so you can observe for yourself how harmless it is, , not for 8 minutes though. 5 seconds should do it.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 5:47pm

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 1:02pm:

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:40am:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:


So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

You need to learn to read. That "technique" is not taught to law enforcement anywhere in  the world that I am aware of, I have never seen it used and I have participated in literally hundreds of restraint situations. It would have meant instant dismissal and criminal charges for anyone in this country with a badge doing  that, let alone the immediate flogging he would have got from his colleagues. Now let me repeat this so you learn something , in law enforcement training the neck is specifically taught as a no go area in  restraint situations. This officer was doing what he was trained not to do. I cant make it any clearer.

So it's ok for Criminals to exhibit the right to 'execute' on the spot (and of 'innocent' people)? But a Police Officer can not do such on a known Criminal.
You seem to be saying that we should not hold police officers to a higher standard than career criminals. Why dont we just give criminals badges and guns then?

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 5:52pm
some of you appear to be getting confused with "reasonable force" rules, these are different beteen coun trioes and US l;aw enfrcement has a far greater degree of alitude in the force they use which still must be reasonably necassary
Quote:
In the U.S., the general rule is that "[a] person is privileged to use such force as reasonably appears necessary to defend him or herself against an apparent threat of unlawful and immediate violence from another."[1] In cases involving non-deadly force, this means that the person must reasonably believe that their use of force was necessary to prevent imminent, unlawful physical harm.[2] When the use of deadly force is involved in a self-defense claim, the person must also reasonably believe that their use of deadly force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's infliction of great bodily harm or death.[3

Some of you may care to actually find something out about  restrainting someone lawfully before you comment further and look even more stupid.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on May 31st, 2020 at 6:00pm

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 5:47pm:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 1:02pm:

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:40am:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:


So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

You need to learn to read. That "technique" is not taught to law enforcement anywhere in  the world that I am aware of, I have never seen it used and I have participated in literally hundreds of restraint situations. It would have meant instant dismissal and criminal charges for anyone in this country with a badge doing  that, let alone the immediate flogging he would have got from his colleagues. Now let me repeat this so you learn something , in law enforcement training the neck is specifically taught as a no go area in  restraint situations. This officer was doing what he was trained not to do. I cant make it any clearer.

So it's ok for Criminals to exhibit the right to 'execute' on the spot (and of 'innocent' people)? But a Police Officer can not do such on a known Criminal.
You seem to be saying that we should not hold police officers to a higher standard than career criminals. Why dont we just give criminals badges and guns then?

You have. You've given the Badge of Freedom to make their own laws and given them guns to defend them.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by John Smith on May 31st, 2020 at 6:00pm

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 5:42pm:

Fuzzball wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 2:16pm:
This 'takedown and restraint' technique IS taught at numerous Police Academies in the US, it is a standard 'restrain and hold' technique in a situation of non-compliance by the offender in order to control the offender until they are handcuffed. The ONLY time the neck is  a forbidden area is a strangle-hold.

I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER!
Bullsh1t. Ive had the exact same training they give to US police officers, the neck is what is called a red zone, no go. Only permitted as a target area if your own life is in danger. In fact if you observe the commentary from the prosecutor he confirms this. So cut the c r@p and stop pretending like you know anything about it. Because you are looking pretty stupid now.
And there is no such thing as a "stranglehold" idiot, its called a chokehold and this is the only approved technique to use in this area. To be quite honest id like to demonstrate by putting my knee on your neck so you can observe for yourself how harmless it is, , not for 8 minutes though. 5 seconds should do it.



Stupid is fuzzy wuzzys favourite outfit.

Putting downward pressure on the guys neck for 8 minutes, whilst he is handcuffed and compliant, is murder.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by jimmybrown on May 31st, 2020 at 7:46pm

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 6:00pm:

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 5:47pm:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 1:02pm:

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:40am:

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:


So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

You need to learn to read. That "technique" is not taught to law enforcement anywhere in  the world that I am aware of, I have never seen it used and I have participated in literally hundreds of restraint situations. It would have meant instant dismissal and criminal charges for anyone in this country with a badge doing  that, let alone the immediate flogging he would have got from his colleagues. Now let me repeat this so you learn something , in law enforcement training the neck is specifically taught as a no go area in  restraint situations. This officer was doing what he was trained not to do. I cant make it any clearer.

So it's ok for Criminals to exhibit the right to 'execute' on the spot (and of 'innocent' people)? But a Police Officer can not do such on a known Criminal.
You seem to be saying that we should not hold police officers to a higher standard than career criminals. Why dont we just give criminals badges and guns then?

You have. You've given the Badge of Freedom to make their own laws and given them guns to defend them.
Good stuff tonite? Kudos to your dealer.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by AiA on Jun 1st, 2020 at 2:39am
Law enforcement in America largely comes from the criminal class, white trash & rednecks. Same goes for military. Yeah, they can fight.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by Richdude on Jun 1st, 2020 at 3:06am

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 2:39am:
Law enforcement in America largely comes from the criminal class, white trash & rednecks. Same goes for military. Yeah, they can fight.


Why are you so unhappy Oy?

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by AiA on Jun 1st, 2020 at 5:36am

Richdude wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 3:06am:

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 2:39am:
Law enforcement in America largely comes from the criminal class, white trash & rednecks. Same goes for military. Yeah, they can fight.


Why are you so unhappy Oy?



Why are you so stupid Oy?

I'd' love it for some redneck American cop to put his knee on your neck for 9 minutes, Rich. I'd film the entire thing and wouldn't offer any help as you struggled to say " I.can't.breathe."

Then I'd post the video here and we would all laf at you and your stupidity.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by AiA on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:20am

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am:
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?



Quote:
I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"
is what I would say then sell it to The National Enquirer.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by cods on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:20am

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am:
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?



people dont today if you look at most violent videos taken by phones....they usually circle the event so they dont miss anything...why not use the phone to call for more help????......at least you could claim you tried to do something to stop it...

what I dont get is that copper had to know it was being filmed......yet he didnt let up?...

what sort of man does that?...

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by cods on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:21am

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am:
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?



Quote:
I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"
is what I would say then sell it to The National Enquirer.



you sound very cold and heartless..not much different to Chauvins.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:24am
President = innocent
Low level Cops = guilty

Art Leader = guilty
Low level Artists = innocent

That's America for you.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by AiA on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:26am

cods wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:21am:

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am:
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?



Quote:
I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"
is what I would say then sell it to The National Enquirer.



you sound very cold and heartless..not much different to Chauvins.


Sarcasm, and much more, goes right over your grey head ... put down the bottle, cods.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by JaSin. on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:26am
Don't expect a helping hand in this day and age.
Onlookers will just pull out their phones to video.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by AiA on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:28am

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:26am:
Don't expect a helping hand in this day and age.
Onlookers will just pull out their phones to video.


I'd love to film you drowning in your bedpan  ;D

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by cods on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:30am

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:26am:

cods wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:21am:

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:20am:

Jasin wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:05am:
Why didn't the person with the camera yell "You're killing him?" or did they think "I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"?



Quote:
I'm gonna make a killing with this footage!"
is what I would say then sell it to The National Enquirer.



you sound very cold and heartless..not much different to Chauvins.


Sarcasm, and much more, goes right over your grey head ... put down the bottle, cods.



I dont drink....and I dont think this is something to joke about.....everything that comes out of your country these days is ugly... >:( >:(

I couldnt stand it if it happened here.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by Richdude on Jun 1st, 2020 at 7:36am

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 5:36am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 3:06am:

AiA wrote on Jun 1st, 2020 at 2:39am:
Law enforcement in America largely comes from the criminal class, white trash & rednecks. Same goes for military. Yeah, they can fight.


Why are you so unhappy Oy?



Why are you so stupid Oy?

I'd' love it for some redneck American cop to put his knee on your neck for 9 minutes, Rich. I'd film the entire thing and wouldn't offer any help as you struggled to say " I.can't.breathe."

Then I'd post the video here and we would all laf at you and your stupidity.


You just demonstrated my comment.

Only an unhappy person would celebrate the death or injury of someone else.

So my comment was right on the mark.

No one has the right to take out their grievances on others.

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by macman on Jun 1st, 2020 at 8:21am

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 5:42pm:

Fuzzball wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 2:16pm:
This 'takedown and restraint' technique IS taught at numerous Police Academies in the US, it is a standard 'restrain and hold' technique in a situation of non-compliance by the offender in order to control the offender until they are handcuffed. The ONLY time the neck is  a forbidden area is a strangle-hold.

I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER!
Bullsh1t. Ive had the exact same training they give to US police officers, the neck is what is called a red zone, no go. Only permitted as a target area if your own life is in danger. In fact if you observe the commentary from the prosecutor he confirms this. So cut the c r@p and stop pretending like you know anything about it. Because you are looking pretty stupid now.
And there is no such thing as a "stranglehold" idiot, its called a chokehold and this is the only approved technique to use in this area. To be quite honest id like to demonstrate by putting my knee on your neck so you can observe for yourself how harmless it is, , not for 8 minutes though. 5 seconds should do it.


And the furball is well and truly owned. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Chauvins background
Post by Panther on Jun 1st, 2020 at 10:11am

Jasin wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:31am:

jimmybrown wrote on May 31st, 2020 at 11:14am:
It is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is the method of Floyds arrest.


Your Gaols are overflowing in the USA. You also have a system that legalises Execution. What are you going to do? Especially in a nation that 'arms' its citizens by an archaic Law. Many Australian cops do stints in the USA for educational reasons and they all admit it is a far more dangerous place there because the Criminals run riot under the 'Freedom Act'.
Here, the Criminal activity is controlled. It's a minority, not a majority.

What are you going to do? Send your Criminals here via 6 months on a leaky boat? You would be justifying British involvement here in Australia.

So the police officer used a submission technique used often by many. Maybe he just wasn't educated enough to know when to release?

In a nation that issues EXECUTION, I find it hard to believe this is anything out of the ordinary. It's the nature of the beast and you didn't see Australians (in the USA) take to the streets or Americans (even Black) come out on the streets... and she wasn't even a known criminal.

Two wrongs don't make a right.





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